fury

[tidal kindle]

One issue imo presents them in a way that's less intuitive than the other

[quiet geyser]

So far yes, but even with just rasha, you're gonna see fury go from #1 to somewhere in the middle by end of week

[tidal kindle]

But either way moot point right

Since irreversible change

[red flax]

this add removal thing goes too far in the direction of classic

[tidal kindle]

And even if it was fixable, doubt it'd be reversed

[red flax]

and those parse rules suck ass

[errant vessel]

big

[proper onyx]

probably close to bottom because adds still need to die, you just do tank damage on logs now

[dense elbow]

Just dont hit adds

[quiet geyser]

Im not talking just rasha logs, im talking overall raid logs

[south kayak]

Lmao

I’m going arms and watch my raid wipe to adds

[dense elbow]

Adds are now a DH problem

[sullen dove]

looks like we go big arms boots

(die critverse ring die)

[tame yarrow]

Same

[south kayak]

Stinkers

[sullen dove]

real

think i just send this thing to the moon 639 right

no reason not to

[south kayak]

Yeah

[torpid sand]

I got it on vault and I tried to use on M+, it was a total failure

[sullen dove]

unless i get like better myth track out of raid or something

but eh

[south kayak]

I wish you good luck in your endeavors

[vital helm]

Thank God then maybe will stop asking for more nerfs lol

[prisma rose]

Challenger's Peril will be fun on pugs

speedrun to break a key

[quiet geyser]

Dude i said it like 4 or 5 days ago furys boss damage was horrid, we shouldn't be over the top happy that we can pad and look good on logs

[tame yarrow]

Holding cooldowns so your Team survives the adds? cringe

[vital helm]

Being on the bottom just means you can agenda posting your way to being buffed even if your class is actually fine

[sullen dove]

[tidal kindle]

No because blizzard has their own data

Which still shows fury /fdk deleting adds

And doing insane relevant damage

Something the current wcl decision is an active choice to not represent

Doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Unless you mean community will stop

In which case, maybe

[calm quartz]

623 larynx worse than 610 skarm shard

grim

[lofty lodge]

is this sim bait? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1zNaxQkykHgNMEKkDpWHgp

[sullen dove]

larynx single target trink skarm aoe trink

[vital helm]

Yeah but blue posters dont go ape mode in my keys freaking out about my dps. So I'm fine with that.

[sullen dove]

(in their best use cases)

[idle ember]

how do augmentation evokers work do they buff one dps or more the party as a whole equally?

[sullen dove]

they buff up to like 4 people

[calm quartz]

its only 4k ahead of skarm shard

[sullen dove]

some a little more than others with prescience/shifting sands

but 4 ppl get ebon might

[calm quartz]

taking myth track legs

xdd

[sullen dove]

w legs

[dusk knot]

why do i feel like sometime i press raging blow multiple times but it never goes off once like im stuck at the start of the animation

[quiet geyser]

If you can record a video

Might help more

[dusk knot]

ill see if thats possible

[eternal sundial]

double onuse is common rn

[lofty lodge]

should I take the wep, or the skyterror ya think

[hasty bison]

Hello,I need advice what embelishemts you put on your prot. warr on m+

[past pivot]

#protection-faq

[north edge]

mythic legs or heroic trinket?

[analog tapir]

mythic legs

without even thinking

cuz u can make it 639

[past pivot]

Trinket imo

[signal gyro]

Sim it

[north edge]

i have champion version of the same trinket

[sullen dove]

trinket easily replaceable by 2 other m+ trinkets

and u can just get out of raid whenever

[north edge]

and champion legs atm

[hollow gale]

hey all, i didnt see that charged claymore is BIS. is everforged greataxe still good enough?

[signal gyro]

same thing

[sullen dove]

doesnt matter which weapon you make

theyre all the same

[signal gyro]

just different mats

[bitter fable]

just looking for opiniions why would shard sim as such a dps loss against knife
something with habing 2 on use trinkets ?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mowdkZV4VYRU6GXA1UvpRL
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ofcQ7AwQF1eDK5wNb3n9KL
both slice and pathwork sims

[past pivot]

1 is dungeon slice ...

[half rapids]

Hi guys, soooo im kinda new to furry and feel like im just not performing 😦 anyone got any tips, i feel like i must be doing something wrong
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LmAnx82YMqVpKa3C

[hollow gale]

oh okay ill just stick to the greataxe then! ty ty!

[dense elbow]

Sword is BiS, it even is in your name

[sullen dove]

aoe talents on sikran not ideal to begin with

you should also def be hitting way more bloodbaths

on sikran you had half the number of bb casts as cb/rampage

pretty much always want to spend both cb and bb charges before rampaging again, and then doing extra raging blows if you havent gotten enough rage by then

but more raging blows than even crushing blows seems unlikely

[modest condor]

something funky going on in this sim, i think it's gonna need some looking at

[bitter fable]

just seems wrong xd

[deft dove]

Anyone have experience with Mark of Kadros? It's simming higher for me then a heroic head tear piece at 606 ilvl then a 619 piece for hectic add cleave

[sullen dove]

i mean two stat onuses probably will not be that good

a stat on use + damage on use is fine but like since you cant double stack them anymore

[eternal sundial]

its not like you alternate them

[past pivot]

Don't sim HAC.

[sullen dove]

just like what are you using the other on use for

[eternal sundial]

you are using shard on air

[sullen dove]

yeah

[eternal sundial]

its just not a good x2 onuse combo

if it was queen or damage or anything

even a meathook

but x2 stat onuse for fury when both match cds is just dogshit

[deft dove]

any tips on what to sim as just patchwerk and dungeon slice?

[past pivot]

Don't sim DS for fury as well. Youc an sim 5 targets 1 minute with buffs other than shout up for M+. Or just use your patchwerk sim and adjust trinkets as needed for biggest burst

[sullen dove]

1 minute

[dense elbow]

20 sec sim, or go home

[past pivot]

1 minute better than HAC or DS. But you can vary the times

[deft dove]

Nice i'll try that thank guys

[coarse nest]

Rip add pad

[modest condor]

it is, but i dont really know what's going on, probably gonna need archi to look at it

[nocturne finch]

how much dps do you think socket provides? vault is straight dookie

[modest condor]

it seems to be barely using the skarmorak shard in the double on use setup

[coarse nest]

Die double on use die!

[sullen dove]

even if it would be used like youre just buffing basic aoe rotation no

cant imagine thats better than an extra 3k strength and 1k mastery active both during cds and just constantly

with the little bit of loss from the negative affect sure

but i would say its pretty believable for double stat onuse to suck compared to knife

knife owns

[peak aurora]

double checking sacbrood is being simmed correctly yeah? I got it in vault but the ring is simming higher (probably becuase I already have pretty good trinkets and eh rings) but I want to be sure

[modest pumice]

does anyone know if theres an updated spell reflect weakaura for season 1?

[junior gale]

the new xalatath affix is not fun btw

and its buggy as shit

[past pivot]

https://tinyurl.com/TWWreflects

[junior gale]

did a 10 mists and had them spawning on the last boss and adds can soak the orbs to

[modest pumice]

thanks!

[proper onyx]

Wtf we can clear erudax tentacles with reflect?

[bitter palm]

yes

[warm prawn]

And BS

[random matrix]

will one handers drop for fury in like m+ or no

[past pivot]

Not if you're smart and in Arms loot spec all the time

[random matrix]

word

[fierce flame]

this seems like quick sim only factor in 1 stack all the time for secreter?

but it's actually guaranteed 3 stacks at once every time (if you manage to collect them..)

the drop location is constant as triangle shape spreads from your target

[abstract flower]

is authority of the depths st only? should I take radiant power for m+?

[spare steppe]

Depths help priority target on ST too

[abstract flower]

if I do more m+ than raiding on my fury I should do radiant power then?

or the mastery one even?

[north edge]

depth imo

bosses so fucking tanky

[verbal garden]

Is this cloak good for fury? Can also get hero tier to complete 4p.

[red coral]

what secondaries are people putting on their 2h craft?

[abstract flower]

oki ty

[north edge]

get the cloak

[red coral]

vers mastery or haste mastery

[abstract flower]

haste/mast or vers/mast

[north edge]

you wot see the cloak drop maybe ever

but hero tier will drop every run

[ionic harness]

any tips on marked for execution WAs to track the stacks easier?

[proper onyx]

Pretty easy to use the premade icons and then set a condition to glow on 3 stacks

[verbal garden]

Yeah, I was thinking of using catalyst on champ gear and taking the cloak. The its not listed as BiS but seems very useful.

The tier helm sims slightly better though.

[wheat iron]

Are the trinkets from Siege or Mist worth taking from great vault?

[north edge]

i recon only shard/khardros

[north edge]

cloak just seems like its bis for living

so more dps

10% healing is no joke imo

since after taking a big chunking is when you want to use impending anyway

[spiral shell]

I got it champ track so not the best but swear it helps so much

I like it a lot

[quick zodiac]

Gotta know what I do wrong on second boss Boralus

Is there a reason the boss turns the frontal ? Or is it just bugged atm ?

Sometimes she turns sometimes she does not turn it is tilting me af

[astral rose]

anyone have a nice whirlwind stack/uptime wa?

[teal pine]

its just the way the tank is facing her isnt it

[quick zodiac]

Pretty sure tanks drop the frontal then moves to avoid it aswell

Like when she does the turn it is not even on the tank just random

Last second turn outta nowhere

[civic echo]

do you not get titan disc fragments from lfr b ossses?

what's the best way to get them then

[quick zodiac]

Think hc dungs are quick

[civic echo]

ok maybe i'll try that then

was tryna get them all before raid

ok this website says delves are good for it

[teal pine]

im almost positive the tank just tanks it. if its moving and hitting you its the tank being weird and trying to dodge it

when i tank it i always do/did

[quick zodiac]

Tanks make sure to face the boss away from your group for the Clear the Deck frontal and step out of the effect yourself.

[tidal kindle]

Hey man

Throw FDK in there too

[quick zodiac]

This is what it says every where I look

[tidal kindle]

Not just us

[teal pine]

[warm crag]

@gfur#

[haughty token]

what oil do we use

[minor pike]

I wanted to but WCL team said "warrior" 3 different times

[chilly iron]

How is that a punishment? If anything, we will still be relevant for this fight, but Warcraft Logs won't show warriors at the top.

[vapid hemlock]

how impactful is 4 piece?

[quick zodiac]

2-3% I think not that insane

[warm crag]

for good players this doesn't matter at all

no one cares abt allstars properly and we'll just continue playing aoe specs on fights where its optimal

[chilly iron]

yeah and blizzard wont nerf us.

[warm crag]

more abt bad guilds and ppl with not much access to good information will be getting baited by the top logs being ST spec with ST timers

[warm crag]

if you think this makes a difference about blizzards tuning patterns you are a bit silly

blizzard doesnt just open wclogs, looks at who's ontop and knocks them down a bit ye

[teal pine]

Why would it not show the spec that does the most damage at the top tho.
When a warlock blasts a council fight do we just only show their damage on one of the bosses

[chilly iron]

Im pretty sure that's exactly what they do

[quick zodiac]

You got some faith in them spongie

[warm crag]

why did frost get buffs then

[chilly iron]

and pretend they have internal tools

[heavy grove]

should i bother using catalysts on champ track pcs or hold them for hero+

[quick zodiac]

I do not think they overwork it

[warm crag]

your theory doesnt describe reality

[past pivot]

hold

[quick zodiac]

Only sad part about Fury is that

[drowsy iron]

Are you doing mythic raids?

[quick zodiac]

We get nerfed ST If we get nerfed aoe

That blows

[warm crag]

yeah thats due to how fury is designed tho

[delicate yacht]

What makes resto sham so good for s1 of m+ ?i dont know much about healers

[rough tulip]

not tracking ad damage doesnt make any sense

[minor pike]

so we should be punished because of how our class is designed?

[warm crag]

unless they sink decent amts of man hours into redesigning how fury st affects its aoe you wont see significant changes other than tuning

[quick zodiac]

Totemic is insane

Good cds

Mastery is insane

[warm crag]

what do you mean with punished??? you are literally the best at the specific niche fury is best at

[heavy dock]

Very easy to play and super good healing

[quick zodiac]

Good utility

[heavy dock]

Alot of curse/poison too

[warm crag]

warriors are a 1-3 class to bring of which is significantly above average over every other class in the game

[heavy dock]

Best cd in the gMe

[minor pike]

because of how the raid is designed

[warm crag]

how much more relevant do you want to be before you are actually content

[minor pike]

and now they arbitrarily get to choose which fights adds matter and which don't. It's inconsistent

[warm crag]

who's they

[quick zodiac]

I mean the issue with raiding in general

Is that you usually can’t bring that many melee

Compared to range

[heavy dock]

We need a healing war spec where we shout at people to heal them

[warm crag]

if you take wclogs as gospel source on which classes are good at clearing the raid you are probably a bit cooked

[quick zodiac]

A lot of specs compete with those spots

And usually those spots goes to fill buffs. Warrior,dh,monk

[rough tulip]

spongie you dont get it. i am competing with my friends

i need to every advantage i can get to flex on them

[warm crag]

you have every advantage

[narrow narwhal]

Break their fingers

[quick zodiac]

We can literally not ask for a better raid

Tbh

[minor pike]

we don't. our ST is balanced around our burst as well

[warm crag]

like i know you're joking but fury is broken at 5/8 fights and arms is upper half on the other 3

[rough tulip]

i wont be top frag on rashanan this week and they will flame me....

[warm crag]

go st fury then if you exclusively care about parses

spear that fucker

[rough tulip]

thank you my goat

[quick zodiac]

Our st is still ok

[fiery storm]

YALL STILL CARE ABOUT PARSES

sry caps

[quick zodiac]

And honestly if u play in a semi casual guild

U still win if u play some what good fury

[fiery storm]

im here to look good play good smell good

[bitter palm]

wago has plenty

[warm crag]

i mean fury is a bit garbage at pure st but also just press n and then press arms ye

[fiery storm]

F a third party website telling me i didnt go as good as the dude putting in 30 hrs a week for the last 10 years lol

[vestal root]

fury is fun as shit on every fight but i admit, those arms crits are juicy

[warm crag]

easier ST rotation and execute actually does something

[quick zodiac]

Arms is 2 boring for me

Rather just spear that fucker

[vestal root]

only thing i still need to do better on arms is rend/skullsplitter timings

[vague sierra]

What is this blasphemy in the fury channel? Where's your loyalty?

[oblique trail]

Just because of how parsing works on individual bosses doesn't mean the spec itself suddenly becomes worse

It does not change the fight itself, it stays the exact same

[quick zodiac]

Adds still need to die

[vital helm]

Should I take heroic raid tier helm, hero track mark or hero track sack?

[quick zodiac]

So idk why people complain

[warm crag]

just get a wa that makes rend show smth if its in pandemic range and sks on cd or

[vestal root]

yeh i got one today

[quick zodiac]

If that is my vault tmrw holy… did 8 10s

[bitter palm]

u dont even do pandemic anymore u just kinda apply it as its about to fall off

[fickle bluff]

@young swan man why do you both have anime pfps too its so fucked up

[bitter palm]

OR instead of slam if in pandemic rage

[warm crag]

it just baits bad guilds to copy from top logs as they have for years without issue

[young swan]

i literally changed his AND my name to avoid confusion

you CANNOT be upset

[warm crag]

like this particular decision just festers a bad culture around wclogs its undeniable

[fickle bluff]

[vestal root]

even different name colors

[quick zodiac]

I mean I never liked wcl they should remove that shit

Ruins the game

Or not use it for dmg and just show dmg taken and shit

[compact flint]

My vault is confusing idk which to go for....

[heavy grove]

No

[past pivot]

If only you could sim for it

[quick zodiac]

Simc

[compact flint]

Hmmm...

[narrow narwhal]

Idk

Sim or cloak

[compact flint]

Vs this

[quick zodiac]

I’d go with the cloak

[warm crag]

holy the farmable item vs the not farmable item

[minor pike]

That's not the argument I'm making. I don't think its healthy for 8 people on the WCL team to dictate what fights adds are gonna matter on and which ones aren't. WCL warps/influences the game more than people think. see garm's and archi's discussion in wclogs disc.

[quick zodiac]

U can get that neck by playing mists like 5 times

Cloak is pog

[oblique trail]

Fair, I agree with you on that part and think it's a silly way to make a change and think it's something that they should rollback/make non-allstars boss

[minor pike]

Which they said they aren't going to do

[compact flint]

Alright

[young swan]

they just made the change and started crawling through logs to manually implement it before actually considering that people might just fucking ahte it lmfao

basically said "sorry lol its too late now!"

[final timber]

So after weapon, whats the second recommended emb crafting?

Also, is there anything that adds sockets to rings this expansion?

[young swan]

for most it'll be bracers

[serene vessel]

its so funny tho, isn't this wild decision the same type of reason people left worldoflogs and went to WCL?

[narrow narwhal]

Do it on broodtwister too then since you can infinitely spawn parasites if you really want to

[fickle bluff]

yeah remove all add damage from logs on brood

[narrow narwhal]

Think of the padding

And my funny online rank

[granite glade]

can u straight up swap to arms for ST fights

or are u gonna be gimped in some ways

[signal gyro]

nah

it's an easy swap

[granite glade]

neat, curious to try it out

[wise vector]

When you guys open the vault you do so as arms loot specialization or fury?

[devout hollow]

arms

[wise vector]

I figured as much dont to accidently end up witha 1hr

[balmy shore]

always armz

[vital helm]

I ran a sim and 619 arakara sacbrood was about the same value as taking a 619 tier helm for 2piece, does that sound right to everyone?

[tidal kindle]

Because that is completely different and doesn't have as much p[ropensity to warp rankings

[stable frost]

hmm intredasting

[narrow narwhal]

Take

[worthy mountain]

Nice sac

[signal gyro]

w/ avoidance too lmao

[sonic magnet]

if i have shard and transmitter do we use both

[stoic star]

is there any reason to craft bracers > belt?

[tulip swallow]

so lucky 😡

[tulip swallow]

if you make the belt you can take all the bracer drops from the people that craft on bracers

👿

[stoic star]

I just have a really high iLvl bracers and shit belt

so I think for now ill just craft the belt.

[frozen latch]

I plan on doing 636 crafting in the morning. Is there a difference between a Charged Claymore or an Everforged Greataxe? wowhead shows Charged Claymore bis.

[tulip swallow]

They perform the same, but the claymore is way more expensive

[ornate gust]

Congrats

[rocky wharf]

is the a spark this week? what quest to do?

[stoic star]

the titan fragment quests

[rocky wharf]

ugh thx. any good way to get it done in a couple hrs before my raid? lol

[stoic star]

delves, dungeons

[frozen latch]

axe 2 more Sanctified Alloy, 10 less Charged Alloy himmmm

[stoic star]

heroic or mythic doesnt matter

[past pivot]

world boss, first boss of SV on follower dungeon repeated

[rocky wharf]

thx

[zenith idol]

Whats the off piece for fury tier? Like the one we dont want i mean

[lone plank]

is this good

[abstract path]

Hi guys just wanted to take suggestion, so I crafted the charged claymore 619 with dark moon ascension with bracers of 610 from pvp. I was not able to go 630+ on weapon crafts due to level of M+. Would the embellishments remain or would it soon change for M+ . Thank you

[compact flint]

Yep

[abstract path]

Isn’t that bis for M+

[lone plank]

does this mean i can never play RA

AM*

[buoyant salmon]

@lone plank wtf

[buoyant salmon]

yeah its good

[buoyant salmon]

u only play am on brood

its complete beans outside of that

[lone plank]

i will mostly do keys ig

[oblique trail]

Ngl decent chance you prob go back to RA for Brood after the nerf

[buoyant salmon]

are u @restive peaks replacement

[barren iris]

is this worth it, whats our bis lol

[azure meadow]

That neck is really good

[abstract path]

That is good yes bis stats as well

[barren iris]

❤️

[zealous stone]

is it a good idea to macro recklessness avatar and skarmorak shard all together?

[lone plank]

Prob not reck

but prob ava/ska

i see some wars desyncing reck for charge

[zealous stone]

like for using it while charging?

[buoyant salmon]

you can

can be slightly worse directly on pull bc u wanna reck then charge

[lone plank]

you reck the charge for more rage for a better opener i think but im not an expert

[buoyant salmon]

to immediately rampage in pure st

but its not a big deal you can macro them for convenience if you want

[vagrant imp]

there a WA for tracking Slau Strikes

[zealous stone]

ty guys

[dry hawk]

this existed >.<

[calm quartz]

man powerful enrage feels like ass

xdd

[tidal yew]

do you guys know where the raid skip takes you?

[restive peak]

She is trolling you all LOL

[buoyant salmon]

nuh uh

[fleet haven]

so we crafting bracers boys?

[forest owl]

pretty pog trinket

[delicate yacht]

i got bracers this week yes

with the free enchanted runed crest

[fickle cedar]

Was checking larian gearing guide stuff and is there a reason why we should craft our vambrances 619 instead of 636 ? Is it just because we got the free enchanted crest ?

[past pivot]

Had decent wrists so made a belt with Duskthread

[delicate yacht]

well i dont have 90 gilded crests to burn on vambraces

i guess is the reason?

[short cobalt]

Hello would u guys take a tier piece or the or the heroic neck from Sureki?

[zenith tundra]

Fury set bonus is trash tbh

[fickle cedar]

well yeah but since its bis for the season I assumed it was probably better to get it out of the way soon instead of recrafting later

[short cobalt]

so the neck hehe

it is a cool bonus

[bitter palm]

wanna use gilded for actual gear

[short cobalt]

I have the 2 piece set but not 4

[delicate yacht]

sorta? I would prefer a 636 weapon over vambraces

[fickle cedar]

well yeah this is assuming you already have 636 weapon

but i guess if we dont use our free runed craft its just gonna sit there

[delicate yacht]

yeah i dont have mythic weapons yet

bad vault, and no drops

but soon

[lone plank]

I earned that trinket though

[zenith tundra]

We get free 636 craft from where? I am rocking two 590s right. Oe

[lone plank]

weekly no leaver

[buoyant salmon]

wait until u meet maestros shaman, jaimeebond

[delicate yacht]

u get a free 619 craft not 636

[lone plank]

oh no not Maestro

[clever path]

speaking of recrafting, do i have to pay for the mats again to upgrade to 619?

[lone plank]

What addon does the reagents value?

[clever path]

i'll look one sec

[zenith tundra]

Auction house something does for me

[west parrot]

Probably TSM or Auctionator

[clever path]

yeah i think its auctionator

it's what i have

[lone plank]

I have TSM and dont see that but I might not have the option enabled

[lone plank]

Thx

[west parrot]

I have both enabled for specific usecases, but I'd assume it's Auctionator if you don't have it 🙂

[clever path]

wait so does anyone have the answer to this question?

[fickle cedar]

recrafts cost less mats in general

depends on the item tho

[clever path]

yeah it is cheaper now that i look at it

thanks man

[quasi marsh]

What do you guys think the best classes are for delves? DPS wise? Haven't had issues with Fury, just wondering what else is ez mode?

[restive peak]

@buoyant salmon you better not be getting gapped by grom

[buoyant salmon]

hes too good

[clever path]

dk

anything with survivability

healing and damage

[quasi marsh]

Makes sense

[delicate yacht]

Ret , warrior , hunter , DK are probably the best

[restive peak]

[verbal dragon]

so our 2 piece increases rampage when bloodthirst is used, what about bloodbath?

[restive peak]

Ignore tier, don’t play around it, play normal

It’s very minuscule and not worth even remotely registering in your rotation

[short cobalt]

Hi guys what’s the best enchant on 2hs for mythic plus

[spark frigate]

Hey, I only do mythic+. Is my off piece ideally helm ?

[buoyant salmon]

gloves probably

but also doesnt matter

[azure coyote]

Your heakers will bless you in prog

[finite spruce]

is there a threshold where our offhand starts costing crests again to upgrade?

[versed cipher]

is 4 set really worth it?

[spare flame]

is this any good? my only myth item and it's a weird ass trinket

[south chasm]

does 2x algari mana oils stack for fury?

or does only 1 work?

[tidal kindle]

2x works

[south chasm]

noice

[fervent warren]

When it get a higher ilvl than your main hand

[zenith tundra]

Am I a shitter when it comes to my main rotation? My fury warrior is 601 ilvl and I am rocking a crafted 590 axe and a 593 adventure track weapon and I usually rock around 400k dps, what am I doing wrong? Or is it just my weapons

[verbal rivet]

ST or AoE?

[zenith tundra]

Single

[verbal rivet]

Burst not Burst?

[zenith tundra]

No burst regular rotation

[verbal rivet]

Fury throws soggy noodles out of burst

[zenith tundra]

I am using rampage, every strike I get, blood, then repeat

[short cobalt]

anyone grab a spark yet

[unkempt galleon]

two weeks in a row right at raid time, gg a52

[zenith tundra]

So around about 400k dps isn’t bad st?

[serene vessel]

err are you not using crushing blow?

[balmy shore]

have you not been pressing raging blow/crushing blow?

[zenith tundra]

That’s what I meant for strike lmao

Forgot the name sorry I usually play mage/lock

[balmy shore]

are u following the prio list

kinda hard to tell over messages vs a log

[heady saffron]

they need to just delete a52

just ruined my key having the leader disband it from dc

[balmy shore]

yea we keep getting dc'd during our raid nights

[zenith tundra]

Sorry I am using rampage, crushing blow as many as it resets, blood, then usually execute/filler if I don’t have enough to rampage. Then I repeat. Getting around 400k single target and getting like 800k on dummies w throwing in ww

[verbal rivet]

Just gotta pad DPS harder

And then play arms when we get punished for it

[eager thorn]

you're aware you only get one stack of crushing blow from rampage right

[zenith tundra]

I am thinking it’s the 590 weapons

[eager thorn]

raging blow can reset itself a lot but only rampage buffs it to be cb

[zenith tundra]

It highlights so I press it

[eager thorn]

ya i used to do that

[zenith tundra]

So only press that once? Cuz I know this seasons set is dogshit

[eager thorn]

im not 100% sure on rotation but it seems like spamming rb too much is the issue

[zenith tundra]

That’s why I press blow as much as I can so lengthen the time between rampage

[fallen otter]

Does Bloodbath give the same buffs as Bloodthirst (like the tier set) or are they considered separate abilities?

[zenith tundra]

I would have to test that but I have full set and the buff from blow stacks 2 times

[finite spruce]

dang something about a crafted wep that messes with tthat? i have 636 crafted and 619 hero wep that is costing gilded crests now

[zenith tundra]

Tbh I am gonna blame it on the 590 weapons 🤠

[finite spruce]

okay after crafting a 636 main hand i had to relog to ensure my offhand did not cost crests to upgrade.

[bitter ether]

For our big aoe fights would shadow binding ritual knife even with 4 item levels be worse than mark of khardros just due to the fast that burst aoe is so big for dps?

kinda hard to sim that

[short cobalt]

well im taking ths sureki 626 neck hope the right choice

[zenith tundra]

Ilvl I usually better

[outer glacier]

does anyone have a WA pack for fury?

[spare steppe]

I like luxthos for its completeness with the other specs

[outer glacier]

can you send me the link?

wago's working kinda funky

[spare steppe]

https://wago.io/LuxthosWarriorWarWithin

(will delete if pasting strings isnt allowed)

[real bay]

What dofference is between Axe and sword from craft?

[summer quail]

appearance

[outer glacier]

ty!

[tidal kindle]

https://i.imgur.com/rodgI7M.png

[restive peak]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[summer quail]

[dense elbow]

Thats good, that is damn good

[zenith tundra]

Can you dm this to me I am working and I need it for later

[hearty delta]

This guide says vers/mastery when we craft charged claymore or is this wrong?

[dense elbow]

All depends on your stats at current time

[hearty delta]

I see, i guess I need to figure out how much vers we need 😄

[dense elbow]

Raidbots will tell you

Vers/Mast is likely higher prio to help the AoE burst windows in the raid - even if there are no adds in Nerub-ar Palace

[zenith tundra]

There are no adds in Nerub-ar Palace

[serene vessel]

true

[willow cradle]

Stealing this

[tidal kindle]

It's my new meter cover

From this

(Aug release)

[dense elbow]

What you fail to understand, is that Fury Warriors got quite a sturdy ego - others do not, we got to take a hit for the better of all.

[zenith tundra]

I play fury cuz I feel like a ballerina spinning

[dense elbow]

I play Fury for big AoE burst

(RIP me)

[zenith tundra]

I usually prefer to deal big boss damage cuz fury gets stuck dealing w adds a lot and I might change to arms

[balmy shore]

this is a good one

[vapid tiger]

If thunderous roar is macroed to reck and avatar will they buff its damage or no?

[dense elbow]

yes

[balmy shore]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1285353121102561311/dead-fury.gif

[zenith tundra]

But I am already pretty good at fury and prot and I use mage for cool single target

[serene vessel]

i think it doesn't matter because roar has an animation, but I recommend putting roar at the bottom of the macro just in case that does matter

[glossy egret]

slayer or mountain thane? 🤔

[serene vessel]

slayer

[zenith tundra]

Slayer 110%

[dense elbow]

Mountain Thane is for prot warrior

[glossy egret]

🫡

[zenith tundra]

Cuz you get to be thor as prot

[glossy egret]

Any defacto build guide you'd recommend?

[zenith tundra]

Icy viens has a good one

Wow head as well

[glossy egret]

Thank you!

[zenith tundra]

You’re welcome!

[spiral shell]

mandate sims the best what should i take

[lusty jungle]

I play fury because I got a neglected kink

[wicked dew]

I've got pretty good gear but I feel like Im getting shit on in dps in these m+

I must be playing very wrong

[lusty jungle]

Rogues are farming me

[wicked dew]

Assa rogue, FDK, Ret

if they are of a comparable ilvl they gap me

[hollow owl]

you guys think any of these are worth picking up?

I'm currently using a 603 champion Detachable Fang and 593 veteran Quickwick Candlestick

[cold silo]

Should I enchant both my main hand and offhand weapon? if so, same enchant on both?

[vital wyvern]

Fury better at single target or multi target in raids and is dungeon the same thing

[tidal kindle]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/t83jKHhwxVRcQ1Dn#fight=15&options=8192&view=rankings&playermetric=bossdps
@hallow sphinx king shit

[buoyant salmon]

mandate

[lusty jungle]

They nerfed us before giving it more time ngl

[pale sable]

Quickwick Candlestick any good for fury?

got a 610 one

[balmy shore]

sick st rashanan build

[spiral shell]

u reckon mad queen is the best outta those? seems to be okay

[velvet obsidian]

Better in multi target add spawn raid encounters. We are very bursty and good at quickly killing adds. If the adds live longer than like 20s we drop off tremendously (M+ pulls). Our ST is ok, but nothing to write home about.

[rain tiger]

is tier set basically just passive

[eager thorn]

yes

play as if it didnt exist

[rain tiger]

ez ty

also i crafted a 2h with ascendence, however if primarily only m+ ing should i eventual double dusk/dawn (whatever the vers is)?

[heady temple]

https://gyazo.com/4dd4d9d5d44573e4b4ba51c7ee45109f

Simc is saying transmitter - as i have a 619 (hero) arakara already

[summer quail]

you take that arakara

[heady temple]

The one in vault is (myth)

[summer quail]

any day

you will never get it again

[fallen otter]

Does Bloodbath give the same buffs as Bloodthirst (like the tier set) or are they considered separate abilities?

[ocean ember]

will i be home switching to fury from dk frost? i hate frost cd lineups and all i want fast unga bunga

[summer quail]

yes

[eager thorn]

no grow up and dont play fotm

[ocean ember]

so its time

[distant isle]

is avatar on gcd?

[young swan]

no

[honest sundial]

Fury best ST spec in Nerubar - proof: ST fight (Rashanan)

[tidal kindle]

[void pivot]

Been debating on what to take all day, please help.
I'd be replacing 593 trinket or a 603 chest.
Tier would also be my 2p
Not sure which to take that would be the best investment longterm

[summer quail]

what's funny as well is you keep the ranking from before

[burnt stone]

Hello brothers
I'd like to hear your opinion on MT rotation.
The basic APL MT rotation is roughly CB>BB>Ramp>Execute.
The MT rotation of revvez (Maxroll) was BB>Execute>CB>Ramp.

So I simulated DS,3 to 8 targets (40 seconds, 2 minutes, 5 minutes) with each APL.
The result was that the basic APL had slightly higher dps in all areas.
However, if you watch log or other famous Fury players' broadcasts, most of them are doing rotations similar to revvez.
Is there a difference that I may have missed or that cannot be detected through simulation?

[gaunt garnet]

Anyone know how worthwhile it is to have the avoidance cloak?

[restive peak]

The BB prio can highroll reap, it's a very minimal diff, I think that's all

I'm personally doing CB>BB>Ramp>Exec in keys

[gilded pawn]

Just do the same thing on st and aoe

To keep consistency

[queen linden]

Have any of you all had logs show different dps numbers? Just did 988k on rasha'nan, but logs show me at 748k

[gilded pawn]

#updates-midnight

[rain tiger]

#updates-midnight

[turbid canyon]

Anyone know if the Befoulers Syringue two hander is actually good or is it just sim bait

[queen linden]

Aww that's ass.

[turbid canyon]

ok it looks ass but sims are saying its really good

figured it was a sim issue

[honest sundial]

It's ST fight, there is no adds

It's just an illusion for a leg sweep time

[burnt stone]

In the basic MT APL, when the stack of marked for execution is 3 stacks or sudden death is 1 stack, and the buff is about to expire, I added it as the highest priority cast, and the dps increased considerably.
I think it would be good to refer to.

[crude ridge]

good lord blizz

[brittle crow]

is champ helm for 2pc worth more or less than hero helm

[summer quail]

and that is with our without ashen juggernaut?

[brittle crow]

cant sim it cuz its a token

[gilded pawn]

Our tier kinda sucks

[neat socket]

Is there another class that plays like fury warrior?

[brittle crow]

arms warrior

u build n spend gg

[honest sundial]

I was doing some aoe tests and got similar results. But it was 2 weeks ago so sth might have changed since then.
Exe > CB if Marked up (any stacks) + Enraged was for example 1.3% ahead of default APL
But i also think that this is due to more Bladestorm reduction which sometimes won't give u anything in m+ because of downtime between pulls/raid because of timings.
It probably also scales better with target count as Bladestorm isn't capped to 5.

[gilded pawn]

Outlaw

[gilded pawn]

I kinda wanna see this

[burnt stone]

"In MT Talents, AJ is not selected, so it has nothing to do with AJ. Simply put, the DPS increased in simulations when Execute was prioritized at the top, either when MfE had 3 stacks or when Sudden Death had 1 stack and the buff was about to expire."

[lavish monolith]

did they remove adds from rasha'nan WCL???

[burnt stone]

When there is an MfE debuff, is EXE given priority over CB? Regardless of stack, even 1 stack?

[summer quail]

yeye, was more just wondering if you had picked AJ yourself by chance

good to know

[hidden river]

Is it just me or does it feel like we're the worst Melee DPS in M+ rn ?(outside of feral & Sub rogue)

[summer quail]

just you

[hidden river]

You beatin rogue frost and pally in dungeons?

[summer quail]

frost and rogue yeah, ret pala i'm about equal

[hidden river]

You still doin like +2 keys?

[summer quail]

it might just be the fdks and rogues are shit, who knows.

[hidden river]

the higher the keys the more fury damage falls off from what ive experienced

[summer quail]

like the players i mean

[hidden river]

Doin 10's and my overall dmg is atleast a .3 mill less then most frosts and rogues

[serene vessel]

chat

[fickle cedar]

Depends on how much the tanks pull though

[serene vessel]

does the grim batol tech no longer work

[buoyant salmon]

just you

[summer quail]

mostly just weekly 10s tbh

[craggy seal]

is there a WA for our 4 set?

or does it not matter

[hidden river]

What level keys do you run ?

[buoyant salmon]

2s

sometiems 3s

[hidden river]

the higher keys our damage really falls off

[sullen dove]

alyalyalyalyalyalyalya

[buoyant salmon]

i dont play fury but critcake is owning as fury every single key

noxiv owning every key

[sullen dove]

arms aoe feels like you want to hit every button

but like

you cant

even with ww removed which was big pog qol

so much shit to hit

[hidden river]

So you aren't speaking from experience. Gotcha

[honest sundial]

Yes but at that point I also didn't have tier yet /stats were probably not optimized- I also can't fully promise i didn't make mistakes. Now i have 2 set and did rerun it and it's only 0,4%
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7rkry2kuhh8CditDGHGxkF
There is probably even more optimization to make, but also simming with 4set would be more accurate rn as I'm getting it after reset.

[buoyant salmon]

i mean

if u want i can run whatever ur top key is

after my raid

as fury

[civic echo]

question

[versed cipher]

Should i get my tier 4 set or a 616 wep from vault?

[civic echo]

is my current offhand

is what i won

should i give the 2nd screenshot to 1 of the dks

or switch to using that 1

my current stats

[eager thorn]

sim it

[honest sundial]

like as u can see here it looks like it's better to wait for 3 stacks which was your results?, but maybe there is middle ground at 2 stacks or some additional conditions. And again it's better if u rerun sims yourself as I'm not most experienced + don't have 4set
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/drrri58fy81d8k7s8BVqWv

[eager thorn]

its hard to say what is more dps from looking at those numbers

[steel shadow]

I dont understand rasha'nan parsing

[buoyant salmon]

its only st damage

add damage is removed

#updates-midnight

[steel shadow]

so all the old parses are unattainable then

daaaamn

[buoyant salmon]

u get 100s by doing rank 1 boss dam

[honest sundial]

@honest sundial

[versed star]

616 🪃 trinket is simming 14k higher than a 619 transmitter on patchwerk

[proud mason]

why is brutal finish better than culling cylone for mythic plus?

[wicked dew]

just came back to wow and joined an AOTC raiding guild. Our current comp is missing a Rogue, Hunter, DK, Priest, and Druid :/

[honest sundial]

Which one?

[summer quail]

does more aoe damage. but whatever you choose between them isn't gonna matter much

[unborn rover]

is there a WA that tracks the new tier bonus?

[serene vessel]

no pretend tier doesnt exist

its not worth playing around

[void ridge]

I believe the common consensus is that the tier bonus is so shit, just ignore it and carry on with your normal rotation

[unborn rover]

[willow knoll]

guys how i use this trinket?

[void ridge]

Fury warriors can't stand still, so probably a pointless trinket tbh

[versed star]

gear-a-rang

seriously what a juiced GV seems crazy to take the gear-a-rang

[sullen dove]

whats your other trink

if double stat on use itll prolly be funky with transmitter

[willow knoll]

skarmorax

[versed star]

616 kiss of death and a 606 mark of khadros

[sullen dove]

meant for the transmitter vs gear'a'rang but yea thats good

[sullen dove]

as far as i can tell you just try to use the on use when its somewhere between 20-10 stacks of either

[void ridge]

Speaking of the tier set - since its so meh and a lot of the stats from the tier gear is less than ideal - has anyone run some sims around 0set or 2set and making up the other pieces with mastery + haste/versa?
For m+ scenarios only, not concerned about raiding.

[sullen dove]

so its "max value" quote on quote of trink

but eh

not a great trink anyway

[sullen dove]

yea so those are both on uses

stat on uses specifically

[rustic cape]

Has anyone simmed the Befouler's Syringe? No main stat but showing in my sims its 4k higher than taking hero piece for cata

[sullen dove]

its probably weird cuz when you use one that lines up with your cds, the other doesnt really buff much once youre out of cds

so same issue will show with transmitter

[honest sundial]

Can u share sim? Isnt gear-a-rang 2 min trinket

[half copper]

I have a question, for 100% parses, I want to assume it's just gear/skill, but does it require any additional setup like PI, etc? I see some of the numbers for the top parses on various bosses and I can't really see how I can pump out those numbers. I do managed to get 99s, but there seems to be a big diff from 99 to 100.

[sullen dove]

like ideally youd have any of those 3, and gear'arang as second, instead of two stat on uses

but i would assume transmitter is the best onuse of the 3

[sullen dove]

pi helps sometimes but by no means required

kill times can help a lot with that, and in a large enough raid if its a fight with adds like a 30man adds ahve way more health and you can spend a lot more aoe time on them

whereas it'd basically be impossible to parse that high in a 10man heroic broodtwister

[versed star]

im re-running it rn. Good point on the 2 on use I missed the equip bonus on gear-a-rang

[sullen dove]

just not that many adds/add health

[void ridge]

kill times, timing of cds/pots/etc, uptime, juicy padding when applicable (not all add pads counts towards parsing), external cds, getting RNG lucky 😛

[sullen dove]

for the most part if you look at when top logs use their cooldowns and try to copy it, assuming you're capable of doing the rest of your rotation right its like almost a guarantee to be a 90 or higher

[half copper]

Tysm for the responses

[sullen dove]

and are like adequately geared too yknow

[half copper]

Yeah that's what I figured

[late ivy]

whats the rotation change for 4p?

[versed star]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1i6Dr7NdtrZW24KswvXuNd

[half copper]

what bosses does padding not count for?

[void ridge]

if you are performing perfectly or near perfectly, stats could also come into play, if you have less than ideal 2ndary stats it will knock some dps off

[devout apex]

soloed aberrus heroic, nothing dropped? am i missing something

[void ridge]

Not sure, would need to look into it, haven't been pushing for high parses in raiding for the last couple of tiers.
But speaking from past experience, not all add pad counts towards your overal parse on a boss

[void ridge]

It hasn't turned into legacy loot yet right? So just unlucky rng

[devout apex]

thats unfortunate rip

[void ridge]

I think... might be wrong but I do recall similar stuff like this in the past before the instances were converted to legacy

[versed cipher]

Are fury warriors shooting for their 4 set? or higher ilvl weps

[proud mason]

is ther a way to add enrage and whirlwind tracker into the luxthos WA

[summer quail]

what's a 4 set?

[versed cipher]

your tier set

[void ridge]

warrior tier doesn't exist this patch

[summer quail]

there is one? i use luxthos and it's built in

[versed cipher]

so i should just go with the higher ilvl wep then

if 4 set perk isnt that great

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spare otter]

Coming back to this game to then have to sort out my UI is fking aids holy

[proud mason]

did you have to turn it on in teh settings? my isnt showing those 2

[void ridge]

sim away, but chances are weapon will be a stronger pick

[summer quail]

no, maybe yours is an old version?

[versed cipher]

everyone just tells people to sim now lol, just wanted to know if the 4 set bonus is really worth it or not but sounds like people are dodging it

[void ridge]

its because there are so many gear options and depending on your stat distribution etc, results will vary

[eager thorn]

Cos its hard to know if the wep upgrade will be more dps than 4pc

Saying sim it is the best way for you to get accurate info and know where to look next

4 set isnt huge but should still be obtained

Think it was like 1% 2pc 2% 4pc or smth

[summer quail]

@proud mason

[proud mason]

ty

[summer quail]

just uninstall and reinstall it

[rain tiger]

what build are people running for t8s

[modest condor]

im just running the m+ build

[eager thorn]

I just use m+ build and get it done

[rain tiger]

yeh kk, trying the "delve" thane build and it doesnt feel any better tbh

[eager thorn]

Think wowhead says to use thane and i was like cba to learn that

[brittle crow]

whoopsies

[void ridge]

Having done a pile of delves, I go Slayer m+ build and switch out 1 or 2 talents for cc/survivability
Thane build felt slower

[brittle crow]

uwu

[rain tiger]

is what im finding too

[signal gyro]

i'm going ST on rasha'nan from here on in

chasing parse instead

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-the-rock-wow-world-of-warcraft-garrosh-hellscream-gif-22843368

[slate mica]

anyone had a play with foul behemoth trinket ? it sims really well for aoe.

[thorny shoal]

"oops forgot to swap back after sikran" 😉

[signal gyro]

"haha whoopsie"

[delicate yacht]

Parse don't matter on raashan. All about what details says at the end of the fight am I right

[signal gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/sadgecry-sadge-cry-gif-18423674

[storm rune]

Parses never mattered, it's all about how good you looked doing it

[north sky]

610 shoulder to use with catalyst or 616 belt

[storm rune]

whatever gets you more ilvl

[north sky]

i like that fuck tier set bonuses

[storm rune]

It's kind of nice having such a worthless tier

Don't have to be a vault slave to it

[winter shoal]

Btw if you leap over the silken court circle you still get spiked even if you're in mid air 🙃

Ask me how I found that out and then verified it again in the same pull

[north sky]

damn this guy does double testing

[rain tiger]

m+ only should i double dusk/dawn weave or ascension + double ascension thing

[north sky]

man of science

[placid crane]

received this in raid today, on use seems insane and sim was solid but the actual mechanic for using the trinket is super awkward, anyone else got this and have tips or simply swapped to something else?

[winter shoal]

Double dusk

[modest condor]

how did you find out?

[winter shoal]

There's a weakaura that helps

[winter shoal]

Does this answer your question

[placid crane]

I got the WA but even with it in some scenarios I simply just cant use the trinket as the buff may land in some high dmg pool, get me kileld by jumping, etc.

[rain tiger]

if i happened to already have ascension, should i dusk on the piece today, and keep ascension? or do the extra ascension today then recraft both once we get next spark

[winter shoal]

Uhhhh you're asking the wrong guy, I'd probably craft either wrist or cloak with the writhing armor banding to go with your ascension, then recraft that with duskthread and craft another piece with duskthread when you get another spark

[rain tiger]

im all for feely craft

as thats exactly what i was thinking

[barren iris]

replace shadow with skytterror for raid?

[spare steppe]

Are yall aiming for transmitter or something like khardos/skarmorak?

[coral dock]

Can someone explain to me how authority of the depths does more dmg than radiant power?

[runic cypress]

Gotta believe in it

[delicate yacht]

A computer told us

Radiant is for people who are convinced it's better for m+ but it isn't

[half badger]

I got a mad queens and a Skarmorak, assuming the Sharmorak is better to use with opener on pull?

[young swan]

yeah just pop mad queens when u can

[half badger]

Cheers mate

[tribal goblet]

do you enchant both weapons with authority of the depths or one with authority and the other with radiant?

[young swan]

also if you're only gonna get 1 more mad queens before the end of the fight, just hold until last second

[young swan]

depths

[tribal goblet]

ty

[half badger]

Thanks 🙂

[brittle fulcrum]

Are offhanders no longer free to upgrade with crests as fury if I craft a main hand at 636 ilvl?

[wind wraith]

is the transmitter a sim trap? I got it at 606 and replaced my skarmorak 606 with it and parsed a lot lower for raid tonight?

[dense elbow]

Was free for me

[storm rune]

I'm always genuinely surprised when leap doesn't trigger damage from ground swirlies

[brittle fulcrum]

maybe i should try relogging?

[storm rune]

Nothing like setting off a bomb 30ft below your character

[dense elbow]

You did remember to equip your new weap?

[brittle fulcrum]

yeah lol

[dense elbow]

I am stomped, try swapping it out into offhand and stuff if relog didn't fix it

[brittle fulcrum]

ok

[dense elbow]

Kinda weird

[brittle fulcrum]

yeah i was surprised myself

[brittle fulcrum]

relog worked, thanks, I appreciate the help

[dense elbow]

Happy it fixed, happy pumping

[brittle fulcrum]

def something to be aware of for those gamers upgrading gear this week

[neon ice]

is worth to equip

ansurek ring?

[winter shoal]

[upbeat plume]

can you pop the transmitter slightly before pull or will it wipe the buff out when you enter combat

[storm rune]

that's never been a problem before

[formal scaffold]

How useful actually is our Tier set? Trying to decide if it's worth upgrading a Champion piece to Tier hit 4/4, or just hold out for a Hero drop -- the 4-piece doesn't look huge on paper.

[runic cypress]

Hold

[formal scaffold]

Thanks! Good to know the intuition was correct. 😄

[rain tiger]

does value of haste drop for m+ only over mastery/vers?

[storm rune]

fury stats are incredibly static between ST and aoe

[brittle crow]

is it worth sending execute to optimize opportunist

[storm rune]

You mean like spending a SD proc to reach enough rage to ramp in order to opportunist the CB?

[brittle crow]

yea

or just in execute phase

[upbeat plume]

I think micro managing opportunist for fury is a incrediablly minor dps optimization last time I saw archi mention it

[brittle crow]

yall idc if its small

my brainspace is massive

i can handle it

[storm rune]

SD absolutely, exe you'd have to tinker with the apl I haven't heard any discussion on that

And yeah, fury has like half a dozen minute optimizations, but they all add up

[brittle crow]

fury without optimizations is an afk rotation

[storm rune]

One sec gotta make a youtube video rq about a 1 button macro

[agile nexus]

im thinking of putting avatar+reck on a macro, opinions?

same idea for bladestorm and thunder roar for aoe

[fluid cedar]

yall think its safe to go ahead and craft ascendance + bracer boost

[fiery harbor]

if you seeking to optimal min max dps then don't do it. if you don't care and just want less button bloat, then go ahead, it's not the end of the world

[warm pond]

So hows Tier going for you guys in this season?

Fury is ballin pretty hard

[fiery harbor]

on multitarget yea

[agile nexus]

why would it not be optimal since you always want to press both at the same time... no?

[warm pond]

I mean it seems on all targets

[fiery harbor]

no you dont

[warm pond]

2nd right now on the mythic raid charts

[serene vessel]

Technical you should reck charge for the opener, but it's such a minor gain

[warm pond]

And like 3rd on the heroic charts? This seems good

[agile nexus]

spear>reck>charge>avatar?

[fiery harbor]

if you reck before you charge you can rampage immediately, saving you some wasted avatar seconds that could have gone into some crushing blows instead

spear you can macro with avatar for example

and roar

make sure they pop after avatar tho

[agile nexus]

mmmh i see what you mean

in that case for m+ it should matter little if i macro them no? i do want less button bloat

at the opener

rotation is easy enough but opener can always get tricky

[fiery harbor]

well in m+ you might wanna take anger management sometimes, which will lower reck cooldown, so also maybe reconsider

[pearl sequoia]

has anyone simmed the difference between oprressive orators larynx and sacbrood? just got a myth track larynx and seems to be very similar in the way it works

• the on use

[agile nexus]

over abandon?

i see

any advice then to make the opener easier?

[fiery harbor]

sometimes

if your team has solid ST and you wanna fill in the consistent aoe for each pack pull

then go AM

with 45sec cd roar

and sudden death for more AM value

[summer quail]

stayed up for vault

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KfAKW/1c83b3f689.png

guess im taking the neck

shame that the sacbrood is in the one hero slot i had

[fiery harbor]

check the guides in #dps-faq

[pearl sequoia]

actually disgusting lol

[fiery harbor]

again if you rly wann amacro reck to avatar its not the end of the world

[lament hinge]

guess im taking the trinket

[agile nexus]

since i have ppl on, second question, in pvp im getting melted with decent pvp ilvl, wtf do i do

[agile nexus]

i like to max my rotation and if i go simple now then is gonna be hard to break the habit

[coral dock]

Can anyone give me any pointers? Some of my parses are insanely low for my ilvl, but I believe I am casting my CDs at the correct time, when adds spawn and stuff

[summer quail]

wait silm you don't raid anymore?

[modest condor]

no

[maiden ingot]

I see a pattern.

[modest condor]

had enough of world of privateauracraft

[summer quail]

fair

[late whale]

this good for fury?

[sick jungle]

corrosive organ is a sim trap right

2min trink does not sound like fun

[brittle crow]

if farming gilded crests too hard do i craft wep w/ the story mode runed crest

or do i hold for gilded crest wep

[gilded pawn]

It doesn’t need to align with cds

Cds don’t affect trinkets

Just press it if the mob is gonna live

[eager thorn]

wowie

[sick jungle]

well, sims is telling me to rock 2 on use

my other is skarmorak, so ig I can always align that with my CDS

and corrosive organ just throw it

[gilded pawn]

Yeah that’s fine

[brittle crow]

actually both my weps are 619

so i would craft wrists then

but my wrists can also be 619

so idk what to do w/ this story mode crest

[delicate yacht]

these could be the coolest swords...

[random hill]

It doesnt matter if i take the lower itlvl haste/mastery legs since i can up em in the future right?

so its better to take with the leech right?

[nocturne dragon]

pog arakara

[vestal root]

damn i gotta brag this week too i got lucky, 2 set pieces and that cool ass neck

[random hill]

neck it is

[marsh palm]

[vestal root]

thinking about it, i mean i have 0 set pieces so far lol

[random hill]

tier pieces comes fast especially with catalyst (with catalyst with today u can get two atm)

but do raid 1st then gather hc/m+7 items and catalyst it

take neck imo

its rare drop

u wont win that for a long time

[rigid gate]

Can anyone explain why it says my stats are mastery>haste but reccomends all crafted pieced be mast>vers

[random hill]

cuz with maxed out gear versa sims higher

[vestal root]

yeh ill wait

[rigid gate]

okay so basically there is a haste "break"

[random hill]

yes

[rigid gate]

anyone have a clue what number we lookin fgor

[random hill]

nope but just sim urself

at 1 point its gonna say versa instead haste

[rigid gate]

you can sim crafted pieces?

that i dont have yet

[random hill]

u have an option proffesions there

[rigid gate]

nice, ty

[random hill]

see?

[rigid gate]

perfect thanks alot

[random hill]

np

[somber elk]

guys would you take mythic tier pants or the very rare hc cloak from vault?

[royal crater]

We wont catalyst helm right?

[frail trellis]

Heya, final boss ara kara. When we get green swirlies chunking us. How do we survive? Feels like i hsve enraged regen, and then just hopes and prayers

[random hill]

prolly cloak cuz u can upgrade gear to myth with crests

[random hill]

poison dispel good healing assist with self def/self healing

and positioning

[somber elk]

dont understand, cloak is 626/626, pants could be upgraded to 639

[random hill]

2 diff websites says sth else - wowhead says head no catalyst/maxroll says catalyst on head

[frail trellis]

Oh poison dispel just cleanses the swirlies completely (makes them insta pop)?

[random hill]

if u have pants on hc u can upgrade em still to myth when u wont have a good change to get a rare cloak

[random hill]

yes

so no more dmg per sec just insta pop dmg

less healing

rsham can spec into poison dispel totem

[frail trellis]

Amazing. Thanks for the tip

[random hill]

np

[royal crater]

@random hill on method site also says head catalyst, idk what to do tbh

[celest hearth]

parse doesnt show rashanan adds.....now i look like a pleb

[fluid cedar]

my silken court copypasta is a pretty big hit in maximum's chat

its definitely a purple parse, likely low orange

[limpid kayak]

i almost took the trinket but it doesn't sim much higher than a 606 one. so tier it is i guess?!

[random hill]

me neither both sites says diff thing but maxroll says to use 2 trinkets on USE

which is HUH for m+

but i saw ppl playing 2 trinkets on use on raid

so idk

[lone warren]

does odyns do less damage if im not engraged?

[celest hearth]

yes

[lone warren]

sick

[tawny nimbus]

How would you convert a hero track item into myth?

[real warren]

Unless something changed, that’s not a thing.

[celest hearth]

lol

if u mean where they line up in itemlevel u have to use gilded crests

which is 5/6 and 6/6

[random hill]

i rather ment the itlvl which is the same as 1/6 myth one

so 626

[fast root]

what is better in single target and what is better in aoe between brutal finish and culling cyclone (in the hero tree)

[sick jungle]

oh baby today was a good day

615.88 ilvl

chefkiss

[teal pine]

culling is better st.
brutal is aoe

[fast root]

thank you!

[sullen dove]

what trinket...

do not take that meat hook...

[lament hinge]

took it, doesnt matter none of the others are upgrade anyway

[random hill]

i think he was joking xd

[lament hinge]

bad joke if it was 😂

[strong pilot]

Is it worth it catalyzing for the second piece of the catalyst set?

[brittle crow]

no

save catalyst for when u can get 4pc

[strong pilot]

gotcha

[brittle crow]

i say this subjectively but like

our 2pc is ass

ur not losing much by waiting

better to wait and not get fucked by a dupe in ur vault

[strong pilot]

also my vault delve slot* dropped a tier set piece

pretty great

[brittle crow]

didnt even know they could do that lol

[strong pilot]

I didn't know vault delve gave tier pieces either lol

[bitter salmon]

so in my fault is a weapon with 1,9% dmg increase
OR my 3rd set piece with 0,1%
is it still worth getting the set piece over weapon? 🤔

[brittle crow]

oh delve SLOT

i thought u meant delve

[brittle crow]

weapon good

tier bad

assuming its a hero wep

if champ wep who cares

[bitter salmon]

even this? looks kinda weird to me 🤔

i am mainly playing m+

[brittle crow]

oh that thing

idk if its worth tbh

[young swan]

bad

[oblique trail]

Syringe is only good for ST

AoE it's meh