fury

[vapid tiger]

We have stances?

[edgy widget]

you shouldn't sit, but using it smartly? hell yeah

[narrow narwhal]

Stance expansion

[runic violet]

It's a your defensive

[narrow narwhal]

Defense

[restive peak]

People like to mention mages a lot in the survival argument as a prop up, but when they do it's clear they've never played mage; mages are actually insanely tanky, and so are locks, so odds are that becomes the comp at the top end

[edgy widget]

D Stance is fantastic for like City of Threads last boss
or the Stonevault duo boss

[junior gale]

Prob true I'm watching my buddies get ass whooped in 10s I just assume really good players might find a way

[restive peak]

You absolutely should be using d stance extremely often

[delicate yacht]

wait really? this is new to me lol

[thick fossil]

I mean, there is a lot to consider in M+ dps. Dungeon knowledge being a big one. Or even class.
I was able to keep up with a 617 fury warrior as 605.

[junior gale]

Meanwhile I live everything as fury

[tidal kindle]

My dstance usage has gone up tremendously this past week

[edgy widget]

D Stance is legitimately one of the best defensive CDs in the game

[faint whale]

D stance is giga good

[restive peak]

20% DR consistently is borderline overpowered

[rough orbit]

I’ll demand a cocoon from the MW before I dstance 👏

[summer quail]

dstance owns so hard

[tidal kindle]

10 stonevault, batol, city

[faint whale]

ur griefing if ur not using it

[prisma rose]

Wait till future balance changes lol

[runic violet]

stance dance is must.. 15% damage reduction in almost any given time? please

[velvet obsidian]

It's 15% I thought

[tidal kindle]

All dstance togglers

[restive peak]

Sorry, 15, you are correct

[faint whale]

Dee stance

[delicate yacht]

doesn't it cost a GCD? when are you finding the time to swap stances

[restive peak]

Either way, massive defensive

[velvet obsidian]

All good, still real stronk

Fury tank when?

[tidal kindle]

Off gcd

[edgy widget]

it is not on the GCD

it has a 3s lockout with other stances, that's it

[thick fossil]

Fuck you really can tell when servers are done. This place gets extremely chatty and full of trolls/doomers

[frank dawn]

always dooming

[teal pine]

Excited for vault pic spam

[rough orbit]

The vault anxiety hits different

[velvet obsidian]

Fury is cooked. RIP Warr.

[frank dawn]

everyone reroll to windwalker

[junior gale]

What do I pick from vault someone make decisions for me I can't think for myself

[runic violet]

I'm playing ret

[edgy widget]

and especially with how bursty fury is, unless you're going dstance during CDs, the damage loss is insignificant

[rough orbit]

WW legit a blast to play

Little rework was perfect

[frigid temple]

Critcake is playing arms in keys.... Time to reroll.....

[delicate yacht]

crazy, i never thought to enter d stance as a defensive, and I run 10s. I'm the pug everyone hates i guess

[somber gale]

Tbh not really not needed in 10s atm

[south kayak]

oh man why did i get a lfr version of this shit

[tidal kindle]

Nah, they're used to most warriors not using dstance

[vapid tiger]

I'm with ya, i do it on dmg if I"m not near boss but not any other time unless I'm about to die

[frank dawn]

for real tho, I know it's not optimal. But Celestial Conduit Windwalker is so fun lol

[rough orbit]

The thematics when you press the button

[south kayak]

Is it like Thane equivalent for fury?

[frank dawn]

probably pretty close, I'm not sure if the difference is as big performance wise

[serene vessel]

just wait, fire is gonna be big now

[velvet obsidian]

They keep giga buffing them they will be

[stone pulsar]

anybody have a good gcd tracker circle weak aura to recommend?

[serene vessel]

i think fire finally got enough buffs they're gonna big

[south kayak]

ngl Thane owns (cope) I do more sustain and burst damage as thane than slayer

[night cedar]

Why are people taking about "rerroll"? XD

[velvet obsidian]

Imagine not playing mage

[south kayak]

fire is still worse than aracne iirc

arcane

[night cedar]

Talking*

[sick jungle]

Server up yet or what

Someone check

[drifting idol]

Server's still dead

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/filthy-frank-know-your-place-implicit-gif-26537479

[rough orbit]

You handwave those people, warrior in a great spot, all three specs

[somber gale]

Extended for another 4

[sick jungle]

[velvet obsidian]

Play what you like. Unless what you like is feral druid

[sick jungle]

Whats wrong with feral

[night cedar]

Yea but nothing new to warriors right?

0 changes

[rough orbit]

What do you mean

[south kayak]

you can play that too

the world is your oyster

a they say

[sick jungle]

My buddy pumps as feral

[lone sage]

what?

[sick jungle]

Kinda crazy

[restive peak]

Actually that's a very fair point, prot and arms are ALSO strong rn, we're in a great place

[south kayak]

BiS tier list

couldn't be more right

[restive peak]

Tier lists everyone take a shot

[velvet obsidian]

Wait what? Feral is good?

[delicate yacht]

that tier list seems extremely accurate

[restive peak]

It's up there with utility buzzword for shot taking

[rough orbit]

No shot ret is C

The sun magic is crazy

[lone sage]

yeah its not

troll tier list

[south kayak]

lmao the sun magic

[restive peak]

Sub is def D tier, didn't just top dam on world 1st mythic silken or anything

[lone sage]

but feral def isnt shit

[shut onyx]

you can play ANYTHING you want

except if that anything is gladiator warrior

[restive peak]

Absolute dogwater spec, Liquid and Echo are such trolls

[lone sage]

m+ bro

m+

[south kayak]

I knew Sub was gonna be goated for st

[sick jungle]

My buddy actually crushes m+ as feral

[south kayak]

it always is somehow lol

[junior gale]

Taking a shot everytime someone complains about warrior utility would be a death sentence

[restive peak]

Assa and outlaw giga crank for M+

[delicate yacht]

do people actually play arms? I can't imagine

[restive peak]

It's a pipedream to think all specs of all classes should be upper tier

[rough orbit]

We are rn tho

[south kayak]

Outlaw is my dream

[somber gale]

All melee specs are shit in m+ because not a single one of them parse 2m

[south kayak]

real

[restive peak]

And true

[manic spindle]

Arms is better than fury in M+ whaaaaaaaaaaaat?

[restive peak]

No, it is not lol

[rough orbit]

The absolute highest dmg I’ve seen in a key this season tho was a demo lock playing diabolist

[velvet obsidian]

The tier list is scuffed

[summer quail]

imagine playing melee. only idiots play melee

[prisma rose]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-sign-cant-stop-me-no-one-can-stop-me-gif-13921932

[rough orbit]

Actually bonkers

[restive peak]

Although I think there may be some good arms keys as we go

[somber gale]

Rerolling mage right now

[deft sleet]

Lol it's not trolling. parses are public data you can look at stats yourself but you ignore it

[velvet obsidian]

Ew, arms gaming

[azure meadow]

4 boss dungeons with ST arms will be nice

[deft sleet]

and copium about made up scenarios

[manic spindle]

I'm getting quite wrecked on the damage meters the higher I go. Seems to be more and more of a discrepency

[somber gale]

U r absolutely right. Rerolling boomie as we speak

[summer quail]

i'll stick to melee personally

[wheat estuary]

Why is feral up there? Thought they were middle ish on raid and m+

[rough orbit]

Feral sleeper good

Sneaky cats

[deft sleet]

I said worst MELEE class

[restive peak]

So the thing is arms ST in AOE is very similar to fury ST in AOE

[teal pine]

Some antivaxx “do your research” vibes

[deft sleet]

last time i checked boomies weren't melee

[somber gale]

Nah all melee are cooked bro can’t even parse 2m in m+

[restive peak]

Where arms may become better is in giga high keys where packs live a very long time, but the issue that comes up there is just surviving

[lone sage]

thats an exclusive m+ tier list

[velvet obsidian]

Fury is king of short AoE bursts. If the pack lives more than 20s you are in trouble.
But that does make us decent in current raid and low keys i think.

[lone sage]

idk why folks keep bringing raids

[azure meadow]

Arms st with jugg build is a bit higher

[lone sage]

casnt read

[restive peak]

Arms requires much more proactivity to survive

A bit, not much, and at a noteable loss to burst AOE

[covert blaze]

what are you smoking brother

[deft sleet]

ik you have trouble with reading comprehension but someone else said that not me

[azure meadow]

But their aoe suffers a lot for iy

[lucid flower]

is arms better for silken court due to sweeping strikes?

[restive peak]

Eruptt is a troll, time to ignore him friends

[azure meadow]

Correct

[deft sleet]

just check wc logs for m+ dps, warrior has lowest

[somber gale]

Fuck it I might just uninstall and sub to final fantasy

[summer quail]

i'd say a decent amount. the avoidance nerf was rough

[narrow narwhal]

I'm blocking you

[deft sleet]

i'd block someone too that used facts and not opinions

[covert blaze]

surely everyone logs m+ and it's also a good metric to look at

[azure meadow]

Fury is a live lord compared to arms, it's insane

[teal pine]

Just check fb bro vaccines will kill you

[manic spindle]

Live lord?

[rough orbit]

Erupt with that flat earther energy

[deft sleet]

surerly of the large sample size on wclogs warrior is still lowest

[restive peak]

So arms is as tanky if you're actively using IP+Dstance

[azure meadow]

Yeah they live

[lone sage]

wtf you mean, if the tank pulls to 30 degreer angle, 15.5 mobs, that stay alive for 19.5 seconds FURY WILL STOMP

[deft sleet]

more like the opposite because you are the one ignoring statistics

[restive peak]

But at some point...is that realistic?

[azure meadow]

Ip sucks right now

[restive peak]

That's the thing we'll have to limit test

[azure meadow]

It's so bad

[restive peak]

It does but it's still a shield

[south kayak]

yeah that's true, at that point fury would be better since it can survive higher keys

[restive peak]

I think fury keys later become as big of pulls as possible that last 1.2-1.3mins

[azure meadow]

War paint is just insanely good

[restive peak]

Then another as CDs come up

[rough orbit]

Go google grain of salt ty amen

[manic spindle]

Warriors shouldn't argue. Apes stronger together

[modest condor]

hi @honest sundial

[restive peak]

Eruptt is arguing based on statistics he doesn't understand, it's ok to ignore him

[teal pine]

Need servers up fast

[somber gale]

U have to troll the troll

[lone sage]

1.2min? gl doing tank dps

[azure meadow]

Mins not mil

[edgy widget]

I have looked at the stats and you have presented zero evidence of your complaints

You also have like 30 people explaining why you're wrong, so maybe just sit this one out bud

[rough orbit]

Oh what does xalatath do this week? I’ve been enjoying the shockwave tech

[restive peak]

As in you blow all CDs and get another OF+BS in the pack Mylker

[covert blaze]

i cant tell if youre trolling or not anymore

[manic spindle]

I just don't like that arms is like, managing rend dots and such

[deft sleet]

"M+ parses aren't real, they don't factor in inconsistencies such as pull size, downtime, etc that affect dmg done" . This also affects every other melee class 🤣

[restive peak]

You spike insanely hard, you drop off, you spike back, you move to next pack w CDs avail again

[lone sage]

disagree, out of cds its uber shit

[restive peak]

Your tank isn't catching you on a pull you use CDs on

[deft sleet]

so you are telling me in a normal scenario not catered to dps padding fury, that we are bottom? k

got it

[vapid tiger]

UP

[restive peak]

Equinox is gapping other tanks by legit like 200k overall and he's never touching me

[azure meadow]

Eruptt go get a coffee or take a walk

[restive peak]

So pretty safe to say if you're doing tank dam, you're playing wrong

[velvet obsidian]

Shockwave + Intimidating shout last week was the good stuff. Solo'd the orbs for a fair number of groups

[teal pine]

Fire mage has also always been terrible in low keys doesn’t mean it hasn’t frequently been the best m+ spec

[azure meadow]

Get off the internet for a bit bud

[delicate yacht]

servers are up

[covert blaze]

@deft sleet https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/39#metric=dps&bracket=10&boss=60670&class=DPS like i opened this in 10 seconds and i see plenty warriors, ferals? not so much

[median kestrel]

can we spell reflect the tentacles of last boss in grim batol?

[manic spindle]

Where's the latest M+ chart list with the little lines based on damage?

[delicate yacht]

servers are up

[restive peak]

Welp first vault it's time

[lone sage]

im yet to see any build p;icking intimidating shout

[vale dove]

does hamstring work on 2nd boss in Siege?

[rough orbit]

I bet this guy is also confused that they’re playing a bunch of dev evokers in RWF even tho according to the logs they’re mid

[oblique trail]

Yes

[vale dove]

to stop him jumping

[median kestrel]

yes

[somber gale]

U could before the reset. Now idk

[vale dove]

Cheers

[edgy widget]

servers ^

[thorny shoal]

you NA bros better show off those sicko vaults 😡 💢

[summer quail]

bit sad how cd reliant we are now, if the tanks pull small we just lose a shit ton of damage. but at the same time our cds actually feel good

[tidal kindle]

@Eruptt
What qualities in a class do you consider strong for m+, or is your stance that public parses are the major relevant metric for determining if a class is good for pushing keys?

Last time I will try, under the assumption you want to have an honest and genuine discussoin.

Otherwise I will assume you're just here to instigate and troll

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Oh he gone

Jk ping failed

[edgy widget]

I'm pretty certain the change is stopping players from getting chain stunned by multiple tentacles, not stopping players from clearing tentacles

[faint whale]

who?

[rough orbit]

gg

[oblique trail]

@garms

[deft sleet]

Warrior has the least utility of all melee classes so DPS parses should be our main relevant metric

we provide nothing else

[delicate yacht]

is anyone in? im stuck at loading bar

[restive peak]

UTILITY BUZZWORD EVERYBODY DRINK

[tidal kindle]

Utility boogeyman....oh no

[deft sleet]

rallying cry is ass

[summer quail]

oh boi the utility conversation again, right after the troll as well

[compact knot]

our utility isnt even that bad

[somber gale]

W if so, wars big on that fight

[compact knot]

huh

[summer quail]

double shot

[deft sleet]

so we parse the lowest + provide the least utility

[thorny shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1135115089486295101.gif?size=48&quality=lossless&name=PoPivu

[covert blaze]

i misjudged the duration of my bladestorm when clearing tentacles and i got chain cc'd by 3 or 4

[rigid kestrel]

Are servers up in us btw?

[restive peak]

It's the same troll bro, he's just rolllllin

[oblique trail]

Rally has saved my group from wipes multiple times already this one week xd

[delicate yacht]

what utility do you want haha?

[restive peak]

Rally w rsham is so sexy

30% hp

We ball

[edgy widget]

man literally cannot count beyond 1

[lone sage]

https://tenor.com/view/alexjones-alex-jones-tinfoil-hat-gif-19186951

[deft sleet]

fury is only good at raiding

[edgy widget]

also War has an insane amount of control, esp with so many classes saving their disruption for orbs last week

[runic violet]

US servers extended maintenance to wednesday

[sick jungle]

not even good at raiding, did you see our boss dam!

[covert blaze]

funniest part is you're not even right about warrior being bad damage

[tidal kindle]

Shockwave - 25s
Stormbolt - 30s
Rally
Fear
Intervene
Spell reflect (w/ taunt)

[edgy widget]

not according to WCL

[tidal kindle]

What else do you want

[delicate yacht]

we have zero downtime in m+, low cooldowns, and massive pack control

[sick jungle]

below aug evokers!

[manic spindle]

#10 in the world is fury

[covert blaze]

even if m+ logs were relevant you would still be wrong @deft sleet

[lone sage]

tell me how many builds are picking fear

intervene lmao

INTERVENE

[edgy widget]

TBF fear is easy to get, it's just not really necessary

[lone sage]

crazy utility

[restive peak]

All..of them?

What

[faint whale]

maintenance extendo til next expansion

[lone sage]

update wowhead rn then

[junior gale]

Damn bro really came back with the utility argument

[manic spindle]

I don't have fear in my build

[rough orbit]

I’m starting to think this is some elaborate bait

[restive peak]

I have all of the above and there's no shot I won't run them

[manic spindle]

Took it from a top M+ war

[delicate yacht]

is anyone actually in

[rough orbit]

If he starts promoting SMF I’m gonna throw up

[restive peak]

Now depending on your comp, you may not need them

[deft sleet]

warrior is bad dmg I parsed like 850k on Sikran and that was a 97% parse

[somber gale]

weapon surely?

[sick jungle]

i thought about grabbing fear when running higher keys but I'm garbo at the game so I didnt

[compact knot]

"all my builds are from wowhead" head ass

[lone sage]

?

[delicate yacht]

is 623 mythic track

[somber gale]

yea its 1/6 mythic

[sick jungle]

wtf you ran 8 10s last week?

[south kayak]

I noticed this today, some tank was barely pulling and i had to fucking use my cds on 3 mobs..

[solid vortex]

my account got banned, im not hacking, im using addons from curse forge wtf

[delicate yacht]

what are the secondaries on that bad boy

[tidal kindle]

Fear is easy to get, any good player capable of thinking for themselves will take it if the situation calls for it

Intervene w/ thane can save people
Intervene can save you
Intervene can also just save your squishier dps if you use your wall w/ it

[somber gale]

its not uncommon i would assume

[tidal kindle]

If the conversation is about lack of utility, it's false

[solid vortex]

why did i get banned

[sick jungle]

ballin

[south kayak]

Who are you

[tidal kindle]

If the conversation is about majority of the player base not knowing how to use utility

Sure, fair argument

[lone sage]

better arch cook again cuz 0 of the builds he suggest pick it lol

[runic violet]

US SERVERS UP

[sick jungle]

already in bro

lock in lets go

[edgy widget]

you just said Fury was good for raiding, smh
make up your mind kid

[deft sleet]

you do know parses are within your own class

and not compared against other classes

[rough orbit]

This dude is cooked

[somber gale]

fck i upgraded my weapon too last week

[deft sleet]

how does that contradict what I said

[edgy widget]

that's just me tbh, I don't think Fear is necessary, but it is easy to take

[shut onyx]

guys this is my vault what should I pick

[velvet obsidian]

If you're just gonna set one single build and forget it, then follow the copypaste wowhead guide. But if a weekly affix calls for AoE stops and you are pugging all your keys with questionable teammates, the extra safety is worth the slight DPS loss of taking one rank off of overwhelming rage. Can't do DPS if the group wipes.

[teal pine]

I have a feeling most of us here understand parses

[edgy widget]

so you mean to say that Fury is good in raid compared to Fury? 🤔

[restive peak]

Welp that's 2 mythic weps GG we win

[velvet obsidian]

But I won't hate people who don't take fear. They probably have more reliable teammates for AoE stops

[runic violet]

i dunno what it is... troubling in log in

[sick jungle]

didn't bother with delves eh

[lean nacelle]

blessed

[deft sleet]

no I'm saying warriors are low dps because I only did 850k dps to Sikran and that was a 97% parse

[tidal kindle]

Majority of players don't use dstance - which is free
The assumption is for your homework 10s - you won't need fear/intervene

If you're pushing keys you won't look at wowhead guides because the implication is you know the ins and outs of your class

[lone sage]

fair

[keen forum]

do u neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed?

[runic violet]

/roll

[lone sage]

idr saying i was pushing keys

but ok lmao

[calm swallow]

Not loving my pulls this week...

[manic spindle]

I'd rather die than switch to d-stance
-most of us, probably

[tidal kindle]

The convo was for pushing - which is why I went down that route

[velvet obsidian]

Fury ST is kinda lame I think, but there is more to raid than pure single target. All non-Sikran/Princess fights have adds for us to burst cleave, and our burst cleave is nutty.

[edgy widget]

ok but you said that Fury was good for raid, now you're complaining that its damage is low - so make up your mind

[tidal kindle]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone sage]

https://tenor.com/view/alexjones-alex-jones-tinfoil-hat-gif-19186951

[delicate yacht]

looks like ritual knife for you

[robust basin]

Oooh

[edgy widget]

ewwww

[manic spindle]

GRRR just sitting in loading screen

[storm birch]

I got 619 weapon I'll take it

[calm swallow]

I refuse. I've got Sac and Mark T_T

[delicate yacht]

opening now

[deft sleet]

Sikran is a ST fight. Fury is good for everything except Sikran and Princess

[edgy widget]

no shit

tell me more

[sick jungle]

very meh me thinks

[willow cradle]

Fury bad except when Fury good but me no like that it makes me wrong

[deft sleet]

someone said fury has good ST dmg

[elder vessel]

just know if u get weapon in ur vault ur the opposition

[edgy widget]

also Fury is not good for Rasha'nan, idk if you heard

[deft sleet]

and we don't

[oblique trail]

Waning Candle pretty good if you don't need anything else

[warm crag]

real as fuck

[tidal kindle]

#fury message

I mean

[edgy widget]

Fury is also kinda mid for Silken Court tbh

[tidal kindle]

You can choose to ignore it

[sick jungle]

orly

[willow cradle]

Yeah Rasha'nan is a pure ST fight now

[sick jungle]

should I just go for 4p this week?

[junior gale]

thank you ive told my RL ill be playing full ST for prog

[delicate yacht]

dang, vault is trash

[lone sage]

no push mentioned, tinfoil

[oblique trail]

It's not only a pretty good stat stick, it also buffs other people which isn't accounted for (which ofc is hard to)

[manic spindle]

What gets you mythic track? +10?

[sage smelt]

i won the lottery

[tidal kindle]

What qualities in a class do you consider strong for m+, or is your stance that public parses are the major relevant metric for determining if a class is good for pushing keys?

for determining if a class is good for pushing keys?

[nimble ibex]

my luck!

[runic violet]

is it that good?

[tidal kindle]

pushing keys?

[storm birch]

I'm dying for trinket plz

[smoky vale]

i got this shit

[delicate yacht]

this mf did no delves?

[storm birch]

detachable fang not cutting it

[lone sage]

you were talking about it, i was not? wut

[oblique trail]

Delves are generally a waste of time if you can guarantee myth track in the vault from m+ anyway

[tidal kindle]

So you interjected yourself into a conversation about pushing keys

[sage smelt]

https://bloodmallet.com/chart/warrior/fury/trinkets/castingpatchwerk

[velvet obsidian]

Idk I like it for hard living while I stretch webs. Dstance for the win there.

[edgy widget]

another poop vault for me

[tidal kindle]

Then without stating otherwise, want to sayI'm supposed to know know YOU didn't mean pushing keys

[velvet obsidian]

But I guess Arms can do that too and have good 2target cleave

[delicate yacht]

great axe tho

[edgy widget]

I have myth weapons

[tidal kindle]

When the conversational topic that you hopped into was in fact about pushing keys

[unkempt galleon]

sim is queued, gambled on no delve slots

[tidal kindle]

[heady saffron]

its a larynx angle

[sick jungle]

623 weapon bad?

[heady saffron]

:O

[tidal kindle]

W.e

Waste of time

Moot argument

[junior gale]

no myth track trinkey unfort but ill take the free socket

[tidal kindle]

If you think fury is bad, be my guest

[nimble ibex]

looks like mine u taking cape or bracers lol

[tender sky]

Does this m+ affix provide a group wide buff or is it player only and I’ll be fighting people for it
https://www.wowhead.com/beta/spell=463767/void-essence

[warm crag]

oly moly

[edgy widget]

bracers are always craft

[sick jungle]

oh you have myth weps

[nimble ibex]

muthic cape for me ! lol

[white stream]

[summer quail]

fury dead in the water, people should reroll

[edgy widget]

yes

[tidal kindle]

Guy thinks I'm a mind reader

[sick jungle]

maybe I just wait to see if I can get a heroic piece of tier tonight

[hard widget]

🥄

[chilly fractal]

skarmorak shard I suppose

[sick jungle]

oh my

[tidal kindle]

I'm talking about pushing keys and he's like you should justknow I wasn't talkinga bout pushing

[oblique trail]

Insta skarm shard pick

[west parcel]

using skarm shard over heroic transmitter?

[sturdy wagon]

😄

[manic spindle]

Is this meta haha, it literally says warrior in it

[oblique trail]

It says "X Class be nimble"

[manic spindle]

DAMN

[thick fossil]

I didn't have a choice. I got my 2nd tier piece from the vault.

[lone sage]

clearly not, cuz i didnt said fury was bad either, what a troll LMAO

[nimble ibex]

where do we get spark this week?

[slim grotto]

I’ve been using the new s1 spell reflect WA and I noticed it doesn’t announce what’s reflected and for how much damage in /say anymore. Does someone know how to enable this again?

[tidal kindle]

You again, jumped into a convo about fury being bad for pushing keys

But if you can't follow that then I have nothing left to say to you

Have nice day

[slate escarp]

can i do a dungeon slice sim for m+? or what should i sim for aoe gear?

[lone sage]

have the day u deserve

lmao

[dire vigil]

Basically bis pull outside of Sacbrood

[vivid lagoon]

The trinket from queen is better

[daring laurel]

Fury owns

[edgy widget]

shard is very good choice yeah

[oblique trail]

You can just do a patchwerk 5 min 1 target sim

Accomplishes the same

[edgy widget]

queen is also good, but I might suggest Shard since its otherwise unobtainable ilevel

you can always loot queen directly

[tidal kindle]

Skard is bis trinket for both raid and M+

[gusty cloak]

keychain my best choice here? i use a 606 version

[grand eagle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1098693329660678246/1288212252863893525/image.png?ex=66f45ca6&is=66f30b26&hm=9e33bd44b07f6cc6da84d55fd6f6348999b0f341140ae640287f7d9c385e374d&
if i cata the chest piece will it be 3/6 mythic track or 1/6 becuz the token is 3/6 off brood

[edgy widget]

idk if I'd call it straight bis in raid, but it's def good

[odd star]

is this sureki neck any good

[oblique trail]

Cata directly converts the item

[edgy widget]

best for Broodtwister anyway

[oblique trail]

So whatever ilvl it is, is what it'll be

[edgy widget]

Yeah, it's not bad

[lean nacelle]

is the transmitter not better than shard and mark?

[grand eagle]

ty

[odd star]

does the vers proc a lot

[tidal kindle]

True, it's useless on rashanan now and soon ansurek

[south kayak]

What's up with WCL's dumb decision to remove adds on Ranasahn logs?

[tidal kindle]

[south kayak]

dummies

[white stream]

sim bro, sim it

[manic spindle]

Oh god. I got a totally confusingly even type of vault. Can I get some assistance if anyone enjoys that kind of thing?

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/emerald-dream/vierth mainly 606's in champion track

[white stream]

sim.....

[manic spindle]

Wondering how good 4-pc tier is, I got tier shoulders here, but the ring is a huge level up

[zealous stone]

i pick skarmorak shard always right? (my trinkets suck ass)

[manic spindle]

Sorry I'm not particularly know-how with simming custom stuff

[prisma rose]

people cant sim their own toons even if their lives depend on it

[runic violet]

I took this... I don't think it's that great

[delicate yacht]

you can get tier set from catalyst

[oblique trail]

Pick Skarm yes

[edgy widget]

you don't need to kill the adds to get the bonus, they just need to die

so technically still ok for Rasha

[plush solar]

I dont know what to grab

[prisma rose]

oh my god

[delicate yacht]

well the one that doesnt suck

[chilly fractal]

Yea…the myth track

[sick jungle]

4p seems to sim so poorly that it's supposedly better for me to catalyse my chest and take a 616 spelunkers candle lmao

[compact knot]

larynx sims really good on the single target

[sick jungle]

than take a piece of tier and cata 2 things for 4p

[compact knot]

and does decent dps aoe i believe

[sick jungle]

i cannot believe that 4p is actually that garbage

[tidal kindle]

Was making a funny at the on use part being insane value for burst aoe - which was deemed irrelevant

[zealous stone]

thanks daddy

[tidal kindle]

Vs say, a stat stick

[plush solar]

so... larynx is the move?

[south kayak]

dw man the buff is coming

[bitter salmon]

does this happen sometimes? looks bugged for me xd

[tidal kindle]

[torpid sand]

[odd star]

its happening
reality is setting in
fury is not top tier anymore...
back to the mango tree for us

[delicate yacht]

what does that puzzle thing mean

[junior gale]

nice character bug

im triple wielding

[sick jungle]

sometimes happens with the warglaives

[bitter palm]

u are not replacing it

ever

[sick jungle]

i've quadruple wielded before on my DH

[bitter palm]

so yes

[teal pine]

wait can you not sort by damage on wclogs m+ stat page

am i weird

[warm crag]

treach is better or

wdym ur never replacing it

[bitter palm]

they are even for me

and for most

[warm crag]

noob or

[zealous stone]

ty!

[warm crag]

wdym

[fading grail]

hey guys im blind and dumb if they are in the pins. I can't find where the enchantments for gear is

[robust basin]

Does emitter pull? Can it be done during pull timer?

[teal pine]

i can only sort by points gained

[edgy widget]

you can use it prepull, yes

[robust basin]

Nice

[warm crag]

the m+ page doesnt even really track dps unless u logged every run or

[robust basin]

Any specific time during prepull timer its best too?

[teal pine]

so what was that guy even looking at

[warm crag]

im confused on what ur looking for king

[robust basin]

4 seconds?

[thick fossil]

@edgy widget Sorry to bother, but question on the 2pc. Set says Bloodthirst, does it also mean Bloodbath? Or should I prio a normal Bloodthirst before Bladestorm rampage (brutal finisher combo)?

[edgy widget]

yes, everything that affects BT/RB also does BB/CB

[lusty hedge]

whats our haste cap?

[thick fossil]

👍 Thanks

[edgy widget]

♾️

[lusty hedge]

gasp

[edgy widget]

but you stop stacking it beyond ~20%

[lusty hedge]

Ok ty I have wayyy too much haste I'm at 28%

[robust basin]

am fucked lol

[lusty hedge]

need more mastery

[teal pine]

@warm crag this guy

[warm crag]

yeah delete the character

[lusty hedge]

lmao

[bitter palm]

quit until midnight

[edgy widget]

love those big vault upgrades

[bitter palm]

fury will be haste stack

[warm crag]

idk wtf they were looking at

[teal pine]

surely he is not looking at points gained and saying fury has low dps

[whole marsh]

is crit strike trash tier?

[lusty hedge]

aww sorry Archi 😦

[south kayak]

[bitter palm]

hooly weapon

[warm crag]

furyÄs like the 2nd most represented melee dps spec it cant be that

free umlaut for you in there

[summer crater]

Trying to get into non-guild mythics is fun

[gusty cloak]

can we put 3 sockets in neck?

[sour siren]

my vault screwed me so bad I have no idea what to even pick

[chilly fractal]

2

[restive peak]

It's ok guys, my dead split alts got sikran neck+rasha cloak, all is well

[edgy widget]

ok in fairness the "cape" looks kinda cool

[dry bone]

there's no free loot quests this week right lol

[grand estuary]

Anyone else get a bugged vault? I did 8 8s on all 4 of my characters but 3 of them didn't get 3 616 choices, the 3rd choice are all 584

[gusty cloak]

seeing this here, wondering how

[lusty monolith]

fury fam what are our bis trinkets for M+?

[summer crater]

How exactly does the mythic+ ranking work?

[warm crag]

most reliable bis list 2024

its neither bis nor possible holy moly

[warm crag]

useless metric

[lusty hedge]

Completely useless metric

[warm crag]

it legit just says the percentile of the spec you timed the key as

[lusty hedge]

Good friend of mine is a demo warlock and he's #1 damage in every single key we do, and yet they're rated C tier lol

[summer crater]

Seems a lot of people decide to invite/not invite based on it

[warm crag]

they dont

they invite you off of m+ score alone

[lusty hedge]

Player skill > tier list

[gusty cloak]

you missed my point of the question.. how there is 3 sockets on that neck

[fading bane]

so will this turn into a real r1 then 👀

[civic echo]

which 4 tier pieces do we want

[warm crag]

wclogs m+ parses legit just say how good the key completion was relative to your spec

[south kayak]

lmao

[fading bane]

glove stats are bad, and there are good off peice gloves

from raid

[warm crag]

so a 40 m+ parse means you beat 40% of fury warrior key scores with that key

like it literally means nothing

[summer crater]

But what does the key % mean then?

[buoyant salmon]

you have to go under damage tab which still is kinda useless

[sour siren]

my wrists are 590 writhing armor band and I need boots, tempted to take the 616 wrists and remake omen crafted boots with writhing armor band

[warm crag]

i said in that sentence or

[onyx fox]

we take it ig

[warm crag]

you beat 40% of all keys ever completed iirc

or best keys?

[summer crater]

Well what I'm asking is what does the 96% mean in that case

Because I assumed that was for the specific key

[warm crag]

you are in the top 4% of score for fury warriors for that key

[broken wigeon]

I just got the ring from last boss in vault, what nature damage can we use to make it proc more, for prot or fury

[prisma rose]

Ret is rated c tier too

Some lists are just dumb

[eternal sundial]

all lists are

@warm craghosen confirmed F tier whats ur thoughts

[warm crag]

only accurate tier list

[forest owl]

whats the cd play on bloodbound horror mythic if youre in grp 2? just send on pull right

[warm crag]

ye

but if your guild is shite at dps and you expect a slower killtime you can ask to be put in group 1

[odd star]

i always ask for group 1

if i get group 2 i gquit

[warm crag]

group 2 is fine

[odd star]

my guild is shite at everything

i wanna at least top meters to be the king of the shitters

[forest owl]

ye id prefer grp 1 timings in grp 2 are sus eventually

[odd star]

we're ultra casual, we're 3/8 Heroic

[eternal sundial]

wrong mindset

[spare steppe]

sims dont want me to pick mark of khardos 😦

[eternal sundial]

you wanna kill boss not pad

[spare steppe]

over a 606 larynx and a 606 mandate

[eternal sundial]

[old void]

For transmitter, what's the best use case? right before avatar?

[eternal sundial]

ye before cds

[signal gyro]

Heroic Tier Helm w/ Socket, or second hero path weapon... O.o

[eternal sundial]

hero path is farmable

[warm crag]

its not like hero track weapons are farmable

[eternal sundial]

yes

[warm crag]

ye sure

[eternal sundial]

no point not to be arms on princess

i mean if you dont want to

you dont have to

[old void]

well, for the spec tree sure

[opaque cypress]

wowhead has two talent trees for raid, multitarget and single target

[summer crater]

No

[harsh dew]

Not sure if it's sim bait or what but neck is showing better than Skarm Shard in sims - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fyxXQuFbgdszaGA2RoQ5BT

[crisp halo]

Fellas should I get 4 set or Ara kara?

[slim grotto]

no point to be arms*^

Fixed it for you

[tidal kindle]

One of our fdk rerolls

This

[prisma rose]

Sim it bro

[tidal kindle]

BITCH

@warm crag

[warm crag]

yo

[crisp halo]

Not sure how to sim it since id be trading in tokens for 4 set its not on the vault

[warm crag]

u got cooked sorry

[tidal kindle]

Nah

[glad coyote]

how good is the overclocked gear-a-rang launcher for m+?

[tidal kindle]

Our rerolls getting strong = good

Clear brood faster

[warm crag]

kings

your vault was garbo right

[civic echo]

if our best stats are mastery and haste can some1 explain why wowhead guide says we don't want tier helm?

[tribal flint]

i upgraded my normal tier pants to heroic tier pants. something ig

[civic echo]

why would we use tier gloves over tier helm

[tidal kindle]

Passable

[summer crater]

Hoping I don't have to use mine on socket again this week

[eternal sundial]

we good

sack

[trail drift]

Do I take the Molearm?

[warm crag]

boots are nice

cant say no to ara kara for arms

[trail drift]

It sims well

[warm crag]

wait it has ara kara wdym passable

pick it now

[ornate gust]

Daaaamn

[serene vessel]

I asked the same question and my message got deleted. I think it was just a mistake in the guide but it's so minor it's not a huge deal

[grand estuary]

Anyone else get a bugged vault? I did 8 delve 8s on all 4 of my characters but 3 of them didn't get 3 616 choices, the 3rd choice are all 584

[civic echo]

i see

[warm crag]

who would delete this? is it you @oblique trail

[serene vessel]

It was archi lol

[oblique trail]

I have yet to delete anyones message

I am clean

[balmy shore]

logging in raidbots dot comm

[upper heron]

this is probably a very stupid question but
i just got my 4-set
does bloodbath count towards the bloodthirst procs
IF NOT how do i make the best of the set procs

[oblique trail]

By not thinking about the set

Genuinely

[summer crater]

Everyone getting ara-kara

[upper heron]

i see

[modest condor]

wtf @oblique trail why are you deleting messages

[oblique trail]

The set is completely passive, and you basically make the most use out of it by playing as usual

[upper heron]

ty

[serene vessel]

Pretend set doesn't exist, but yes everything that mentions bt/rb affects BB/CB

[oblique trail]

I have never deleted messages before

Do we see the messages I deleted?

Thought so

[serene vessel]

They're effectively the same skill

[sullen dove]

but like the sacbrood?

cheating?

[tawny moss]

For Fury should we only sim patchwerk or can we do dungeon slice?

[balmy shore]

mythic....... sacbwood.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, yummy

[oblique trail]

Just sim patchwerk 5 min 1 target

Regardless of context

[tawny moss]

okay, I don't like what the sim is telling me regarding my vault for that but I guess I'll trust the process

Thank you

[trail drift]

The Syringe sims well... worth taking? Rest of vault is Meh

[glad coyote]

only thing i can take is the mad queen's trinket for ST

says it sims very well for ST

[fair wolf]

what trinket is actually better? Khardos or skarmorak fragment?

[spice cradle]

Transmitter instructions before CD's, FAM?

[slim grotto]

gamers is the logic myth track > anything hero track even if not bis stats?

[glad coyote]

Khardos imo lines up best with our CD's for m+ at least

[oblique trail]

There is one thing to keep in mind, that trinkets both for M+ and ST context is something where you should apply some thinking on your own

[spare steppe]

see the sim is tell me that Khardos is worse than a ring

[eternal sundial]

i mean khardos is an aquire emitter angle

longterm

[slender coral]

Was Authority of Depths nerfed at all?

[tawny moss]

Yeah it wants me to replace my sacbrood for detachable fang and that FEELS wrong to me but I'm also dumb as bricks so

[spare steppe]

I honestly don’t know what that means

[livid dagger]

guys, does maestry have a cap? what should i prioritize?

[olive wraith]

Sim it’ll differ between players

[harsh dew]

Neck simming higher than skarm on single but lesser on multi so im at a loss. Trinket > neck right?

[smoky vale]

holy

[olive wraith]

Bastard

[fair wolf]

i sim more with khardos than with skarmorak fragment... but idk if just more mastery in burst is better

[olive wraith]

Mythic trink

[young swan]

u know whats fucked up

im pretty sure im taking the neck

[eternal sundial]

obviously

[young swan]

[smoky vale]

why

[young swan]

very rare

bis

[smoky vale]

Sdage

[olive wraith]

Fair

[young swan]

mark of khardros isnt bis in any content

[smoky vale]

just mc your guild into giving it

[eternal sundial]

nor is skamorak but ppl dont realize it and coom over it in vault

[eternal sundial]

you save the guild 1 drop if you take it from vault

its the best move for the team too

[smoky vale]

fuck the guild

do big da

m

[young swan]

i think skarm is better than people think

[tidal kindle]

Homework M+

[eternal sundial]

yes but you could also jump 3 times

[slate escarp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ka4ZQBsiUrRczhwrXgQYxh

[tidal kindle]

[gusty cloak]

double radiant simming 12k+ over double depths

[slate escarp]

i was thinking this trinket is bis? why it sims downgrade

[calm swallow]

Is there a reason it doesn't seem to be simming the 4set bonus?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/psF48Utg9CCgovu7PBYebP

[young swan]

do both

[livid dagger]

was askin cause i have a gem slot on my bracers xD

[olive wraith]

The answer doesn’t change

[young swan]

neck acquired

thats my haste budget for the tier

also saves me a TON of crest budget

[slim grotto]

Gamers in vault is Myth track prio > anything hero track?
Even if bad stats?

[olive wraith]

I’d say probably no

[calm swallow]

Sim it

[olive wraith]

Unless you can cata it

[gusty cloak]

should i swap from depths to radiant on my weapons for m+? sims 12k higher

[slim grotto]

If ilvl > anything, why would myth not be the pick? Ty

[magic saffron]

guys uproar and 1 point in to armored to the teeth or just 2 points in to armored? for m+

[modest condor]

skarmorak is 2nd behind queen trinket in m+ tho and queen trinket sucks

[eternal sundial]

you could also just use emitter and save a vault

[vernal oyster]

Is the Befouled Syringe any good?

[modest condor]

sorry that's the one i ment

assuming you mean transmitter not emitter

nobody likes to play with that one

[hard widget]

@edgy widget

We did it!

[smoky vale]

is that rashanan?

[hard widget]

yup

[smoky vale]

🙂

[hard widget]

🙂

[ancient meteor]

Question I'm a bit new in the crafting system. Since charged claymore is very expensive for me, is it the same if I craft the spear for Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension

[oblique trail]

Yes

Crafted weapons only differ in mats and appearance

Actual functionality is the same

[ancient meteor]

Thanks

[smoky vale]

@hard widget you gotta do more damage noob

[harsh dew]

halp

[fallen quarry]

does it matter which enchant i have on which weapon slot

[modest condor]

no

[oblique trail]

Neck is very rare and highly contested, Skarm you can still just farm from +7s

Use with that info as you will

Both are very valuable items

[hard widget]

WCL doesnt alloy me 😦

[harsh dew]

If I don't have a dedicated raid group I think neck is higher prio but will I replace with emergency from m+ eventually?

[oblique trail]

You'd only really replace it with a myth track neck honestly

Would not replace it with a hero track SV neck unless it sims substantially higher

[bitter palm]

big mark

HOOOOLY NECK

[harsh dew]

Okay, thank you!

[south kayak]

TIL there’s a buff in city of threads dungeon that increases your damage by 15% for 30 seconds

[tidal kindle]

[young swan]

😺

[tidal kindle]

Our hunter (who got ansurek ring)

[tame yarrow]

Why did they remove the add damage from logs? I dont really see the purpose

[tidal kindle]

Got neck with avoid out of vault too

[tidal kindle]

Mages/hunters/warlocks/other classes complained

🙂

[tame yarrow]

So we jusr reduce the value of fury by going full ST for logs, like wtf?

[tidal kindle]

😄

[young swan]

yeah have fun

a war was fought over that, but they insist on being dense

[delicate yacht]

which quest gives the spark this week ?

[oblique trail]

Should be any of the quests from these people

[bitter palm]

idk who came up with that

[odd whale]

my vault basically comes down to mythic tier legs vs the rare heroic neck at 626 ilvl. Short term would be neck. Lose a lot of mastery though compared to skarm neck.

[bitter palm]

legit not right in the head

[tidal kindle]

The logical inconsistencies and hte fact it harms worse off guilds from utilizing logs as an easy - to -use and accurate repository of information

Is mindblowing

[bitter palm]

" easy - to -use and accurate repository of information" exactly what logs should be

but now its gonna be

[tidal kindle]

They want to protect their parses that badly while turning around and saying "If you guys can't handle doing your job for a boss and it's a lower parse, why are you mythic raiding"

[bitter palm]

fury bad dont play fury

[tidal kindle]

Like what

[bitter palm]

i can guarantee u there will be

a lot of people who will refsue to do adds

cause they dont go towards ur parse

like

:xd:

[tidal kindle]

Bro if you can't handle a bad parse to do your class' job in one fight

Why are you mythic raiding

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-comic-like-a-boss-epic-very-epic-cartercodes-gif-1987316027778534164

[civic echo]

what's the best settings for simming aoe?

[tidal kindle]

Every time I tried to bring up this talking point, it was overlooked

Except for 1 admin who said "hey there's an unfiltered damage option, how can we make that more accessible)

[spare steppe]

i thought khardos was bis on use? or is it transmitter

[tidal kindle]

Whcih I appreciated

[tawdry bane]

YOU WILL PLAY MAGE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT

[bitter palm]

by making it default

[tidal kindle]

But it's a self created problem

[bitter palm]

and if people want to look at boss damage

they can fucking do

[tawdry bane]

YOU WILL NOT PLAY WARRIOR DPS

[bitter palm]

damage to bosses

[spring snow]

Is anyone here a brain genius with raidbots? Im trying to figure out how to sim which piece I should turn into my 4/4 set

[bitter palm]

remove it from the all stars then

if its too paddy

but its not tindral

[tawdry bane]

Oh bro I know all that shit so you want to just go 5/4 and upgrade everything asap

[bitter palm]

tindral was removed for a reason

[red flax]

click on the + at the piece you wanna catalyst, yelect the option convert to catalyst item

the converted item gets added to top gear

[spring snow]

ty

[tawdry bane]

I mean it’s blizzards fault for releasing a raid where most of the bosses have extensive adds lol

[bitter palm]

why?

[tawdry bane]

Cause I said so

[bitter palm]

me when bosses arent patchwerk full st

[tame yarrow]

I dont get this Change at all

This only makes it worse

[bitter palm]

like im not even playing fury on that fight and i will complain forever

[tidal kindle]

No one capable of critical thinking understands the change and believes it to be good for the community at large

[bitter palm]

its such a dumb change

[spare steppe]

if its the one in #updates-midnight its been discussed and they are dense

[tawdry bane]

Me personally I think society is collapsing

[frank dawn]

I mean they definitely went way overboard with little bullshit adds in this raid, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the WCL thing

[tame yarrow]

Why would you make logs NOT display what happened

[bitter palm]

rashanan adds have to die

[tawdry bane]

Shhh let them be mad at me

[bitter palm]

there is a big diff

[red flax]

tbf, their reasoning is not completely insane, you can obv disagree with it but its not like they had bad reasons

[verbal dragon]

whats the weekly quest this week?

[bitter palm]

between shitter adds

and adds that have to die

[tidal kindle]

The reasoning itself is fine

But the inconsistent application

Not so much

[bitter palm]

why is it not remvoed from asnurek then

p1 adds are irrelevant

u oneshot the manyway

[red flax]

i mean the problem there is the communication part

[tidal kindle]

"We'll do it for this boss, but not that because this is boss 4 and that's 8"

[bitter palm]

^

[red flax]

which Yax also said was bad

[tawdry bane]

[bitter palm]

"ansurek is hard so we wont do it for her"

cinema

[south kayak]

Just rubbing salt in the wound for fury

Idiots

[tame yarrow]

Guess we need a 15% ST buff now guys

[bitter palm]

buff our st then yeah

but wclogs =/= blizz

[tidal kindle]

My issue isn't with yax or emallson

[rose bay]

they did this shit for all the classic raids, they removed any paddind/a lot of add damage :C this is a stinky change, make pad great again

[red flax]

well

[tidal kindle]

I appreciate them taking the time to give their reasoning

[red flax]

they are the ones implementing the changes :KEKW:

[proper onyx]

communication can't be the main issue when the outcome is bad. watch it get reverted next week when tanks start dying to the add dot

[red flax]

also the most outspoken ones on the discord

[tidal kindle]

Even if I don't agree with it

I do have an issue with the team in general being inconsistent

[red flax]

Like this is the first instance of such an early change

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/stelle-trailblazer-honkai-hsr-trash-panda-gif-2277570693592328856

[red flax]

cant really call it inconsistent yet,esp. when they apologized for it

[south kayak]

Hopefully it gets reverted, shit change

[bitter palm]

main reason why i disagree with it is because it doesnt represent the boss properly

[tidal kindle]

They said supposedly irreversible change

[bitter palm]

"oh guess we dont need fury"

for lower guilds especially

as u said

[tidal kindle]

I can when they explicitly stated they won't do it on ansurek because "later boss"

That's inconsistent and faulty logic

Even if not implemented yet, their mindset is currently one that fits an inconsistent pattern

[sand crest]

why would wlogs remove add dmg from rashanan instead of blood parasites on broodtwister that can be used to cheese parse?

[bitter palm]

they both have to die

[south kayak]

^

[red flax]

ovinax prob will be removed completely from ASP

they said

[south kayak]

You can’t just go full ST in rashanan

[bitter palm]

and u bring fury to deal with them

[south kayak]

Just do it

[tame yarrow]

I guess my raid has to die to add damage now

[south kayak]

And you’ll see why it’s a bad idea

[bitter palm]

you can if u have a fury

which is the point of fury this raid

[tame yarrow]

Cant do anything about it

[south kayak]

I’m talking about the changes on WCL

It’s stupid

[bitter palm]

ohhh

[slender coral]

What's the best weapon enchant for us?

[tribal flint]

If you go single target on Rasha you make our warrior gods literally cry

[bitter palm]

authority of depths

[south kayak]

It incentives you to go full st if you wanna parse now

But adds need to die

[bitter palm]

arm fucks

[south kayak]

??

[tawdry bane]

[torpid sand]

man, why treacherous transmitter seems so bad

like, it's seriously hard to use

[signal gyro]

I mean your parse is going to be against other warriors anyway so like... big sadge if you're trying to compare yourself to other classes. I don't see how the change makes any real difference

[wheat estuary]

people use treacherous transmitter? Like is it worth the headache

[tidal kindle]

They say it warps rankings and classes shouldn't have to feel bad for doing so
While taking away from the fact that these things have to die in a timely fashion to win the encounter

Yet similar issue is presented on ansurek - but that's okay to have, and you can even gimmick ansurek roots w/ freedom or infested w/ bubble etc

[wheat estuary]

only sims 1% more

[keen prairie]

what algari missive do i want on my crafted vambraces?

[tame yarrow]

Why? Got the best parses then 🙂

[tidal kindle]

It's clearly targetted at just fury/fdk

[red flax]

yeah totally valid point i agree

[south kayak]

Now fury will feel bad

Doesn’t make any sense

[proper onyx]

or you go arms and the whole raid feels bad

[tidal kindle]

And even then, idgaf about the parse culture

[signal gyro]

wclogs is just saving us from another hammer from the blue posts

[tidal kindle]

I care about my us 300/400 friends asking me why top logs do X but I tell them to do Y

[red flax]

for rasha in particular, you either have ST for parsing or at some point 1 person will aoe solo and the rest ST

[junior gale]

Arms owns on rasha

[red flax]

so thats the trradeoff there

[bitter palm]

this

[south kayak]

It’s a fucking fight that works for some specs and not other and that’s fine, what’s this whole participation trophy snowflake shit

Fuck off

[tidal kindle]

When I coach someone I have to be like "hey don't look at top logs for fights 1,3,6,7 because wcl team decided to misrepresent the data on the front page"

"You have to dive individually into these logs and set these filters to know how to play the fight and why"

Like what

Numbers pulled at random

[red flax]

ok to be fair, that happens with every fight at some point

[bitter palm]

i just dont see how this change benefits anyone

[red flax]

cause people gonna go parse

[tame yarrow]

This is insane

[south kayak]

I’m gonna pretty disappointed if this doesn’t get reverted

[bleak vapor]

how much does it cost in mats to recraft the charged claymore?

[red flax]

no matter what

[bitter palm]

as an arms warrior i give 0 fucks how i did compared to arcane mage or fury warrior or fdk or w/e

[tidal kindle]

Agree with that, but we can also agree there's no reason to make it randomly harder

[south kayak]

Guy who made that change obviously mains balance or something that has shit burst

[bitter palm]

he wants to pad

remove it from allstars

its that simple

[tidal kindle]

Nah the argument is valid
Your parse as a mage/enh/w,e is dependant on how much passive cleave you can get depending on how many fury/fdk are in your raid

Cuz the aoe gets cannibalized

[sullen dove]

tindral roots not that important

[tidal kindle]

That view I understand, and dont have an issue with

[sullen dove]

just kill the boss

[tidal kindle]

But there's other ways of addressing it

[red flax]

i dont think that makes it harder when you have the other sitation that the adds count. Then you have to tell them oh dont go for full aoe cause all your aoue combined will fuck them no matter what

[tidal kindle]

[bitter palm]

true but just remove it from allstars then?

[dense elbow]

Tindral roots should have stayed in, with omb damage - cause why not

[bitter palm]

like tindral

oh u have 2 warlocks

0 root damage for u

oh u go up

[south kayak]

I don’t have issues with removing it on allstars

[bitter palm]

0 root damage for u

[south kayak]

But completely removing the adds from the fight??

At least give an option

Imagine Tindral with this change lmao

[quiet geyser]

Fun to see the absolute nose dive fury took on rasha though

[dense elbow]

The worst part about starting to remove what elements counts, is that it turns your mind to: "so, this is clearly bad and wrong - I better do this other thing that is rewarded by number ranking machine"
So people start playing worse - to chase this. Not to mention, somoene that felt they did great, then sees they grey logged - and their RL is now screaming at them

[quiet geyser]

Went from first, absolutely gapping every1 else, to almost last

[south kayak]

Yep

[dense elbow]

We were winning on boss dam?

[south kayak]

Very clear fury needs a ST buff

[tidal kindle]

Uhh rephrase?

[bitter palm]

yet u are the reason u are killing the boss

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[quiet geyser]

Facts

[red flax]

if they didnt remove the adds, top logs would start playing full aoe shit. So then you would have to tell the WR800 guild, not dont copy this all your passive aoe will kill the adds easy so you can focus more on ST

just flips the situation around

[wheat estuary]

everyone with treachorous transmitter, it worth taking because of the hassle? sims only like 1% over other trinks, even with higher ilvl

[south kayak]

Shit website

[red flax]

so i dont think it makes it harder

[red flax]

my god man calm down

[south kayak]

I am calm

[spare steppe]

unnerf fury pls

[signal gyro]

So you're saying fury should go Single Target? thanks guys

[tame yarrow]

Yep

[south kayak]

Play another class

[errant vessel]

is it only Rashanan that got the pad "fix"?

[south kayak]

Yeah

[tame yarrow]

Let other classes ruin theie logs becauss they go aoe. cringe

[tidal kindle]

Ah I see, yeah there's an issue there too

Though the difference is - and I've always said this

1. The adds which are finite in number have to
2. Die in a timely fashion

The change goes against the design of the encounter in order to win the fight, making it unintuitive

[red flax]

yes valid

i agree