fury

[coarse nest]

[dense elbow]

Fear the week the race is over. Cause Fury Nerfs are then nigh

[crisp bronze]

Liquid shows like 80 something percent in 4 pulls on queen

[hollow quail]

oh question, I only use this for some info for myself on my war alt, but should I just find another war to replace one at 605 ilvl parsing <25 on all n palace bosses?

[dense elbow]

They gonna pancake Fury, mark my words

And raiders will love them for it

[coarse nest]

Can’t wait to swap to arms

[sick jungle]

same

jokes I already have the arcane mage locked tf in

[storm rune]

It does make gearing for prot easier

[coarse nest]

Real tired of these threat games

[dense elbow]

Stop playing with bad

[dire badge]

Back to slands threat days

[sick jungle]

I wonder what the rwf would be like if none of them streamed it

[balmy shore]

gm i love fury warrior single target rashanan

[dire badge]

400% increase in exploits

[dense elbow]

More like infinite more

[honest sundial]

love getting grey logs after it turns out everyone else is playing st!

[red berry]

they have more frost DKs in the raid

lmao

[inland condor]

Do we prio crit more now?

[balmy shore]

teehee

[dense elbow]

Blizz likely see our burst and a problem. They dont care if it is fun and niche. They already slapped it once, next they will roll it flat.

[crisp bronze]

They took away like 30% of my dps on that fight madge

[forest owl]

how do sims work alchemical chaos flasks, cause obviously it changes every 30s, just wondering how the sims work for that

[dense elbow]

Your DPS?
OUR dps

[hollow quail]

it wont be exact, but the sim will randomize the stats, but it won't be perfect

[chilly fractal]

Incredibly boring… typically had to wait for like 3-5 guilds to kill a boss to get a video.

[hollow quail]

like you might get mastery first and sim does haste first

[warm crag]

That's not how sims work

[chilly fractal]

You would just watch WoWProgress front page and whatever the furthest progressed guild that is streaming

[sick jungle]

was pretty fucking epic when the lich king world first vid dropped though

those were the days

[chilly fractal]

Yea go back even further the world was a lot larger then

[solar moss]

Not sure how to ask this question but does anybody know how much each stat do we want compared to others? I know that Mastery=Haste>Vers>Crit but we aren't just ignoring vers and crit right

[sick jungle]

i just sim it ngl

[chilly fractal]

Just sim

[solar moss]

I guess but its annoying to do everytime i get an upgrade

xD

[dense elbow]

Robot question

[chilly fractal]

9 times out of 10 ilvl is what you want anyway

[hollow quail]

yes it is, each time I run a sim with that flask it grants different buffs each time lmao

[warm crag]

Takes like 1 minute

[warm crag]

Yeah it'll show you a sample report

[dense elbow]

Free version takes a lot longer currently, closer to 5

[warm crag]

The sim result is still gonna be the average of however many trials there are

[solar moss]

yep

[celest hearth]

Any of you gamers know if they lowered the drop rate of delve maps this past week?

[hollow quail]

I just sim without buffs/flasks for the raw damage, and that is true and fair spongie

[solar moss]

but still would rather understand than rely on robot

[chilly fractal]

Can’t get lower than 0

[gleaming siren]

No I think this has been debunked

[sick jungle]

tell me about it

3 on my alt, 0 on my main

[hollow quail]

simming is basically condensing you smacking a raid dummy for 1hr into <5min

[solar moss]

yeye ik

[dense elbow]

What has?

[celest hearth]

That 1st week they were droppin like candy

[warm crag]

This has been debunked

[chilly fractal]

Except they weren’t

You just got lucky

[gleaming siren]

The Blood DKs I know told me snap threat was nonexistant 🤓

[normal hollow]

I ran like 40-50 bountifuls the first week across several characters and got 2 maps

[celest hearth]

My whole guild i guess

[normal hollow]

people who said they were dropping like candy were just experiencing something called "RNG"

[dense elbow]

Tell them to drop DND shatter and boil

[chilly fractal]

Dude plays with leprechauns

[celest hearth]

Dang nvm then sorry to hear that ill stop crying

[normal hollow]

"I heard XYZ changed without any patch notes based on anecdotes and no actual data from unverified second parties" has a very high miss rate

[gleaming siren]

There is nothing to understand here really, sims are what we generally use to inform gearing decisions (with some logic)

[stable frost]

Onyxia really does deep breath more tho

[gleaming siren]

Sims are basically generating you a ton of data and it's up to you to interpret some of it

[edgy widget]

what's the question?

[warm crag]

Okay but do I want 19% haste or 20%????

[chilly fractal]

Nope take that shit at face value

[warm crag]

I need the tom and Jerry gif favored

[dense elbow]

20 is more than 19, so 20

[coarse nest]

Where class tuning blue post

[dense elbow]

Come after race as always

[fervent yoke]

Why you trying to see more fury nerfs 😢

[solar moss]

ok i found what i was looking for in simulationcraft report, ty for help

[dense elbow]

Not nerfs, "rebalance" to flat

[chilly fractal]

Prolly Friday if there’s going to be one

[dense elbow]

Last boss dead by Friday?

[crisp bronze]

I think there's a good chance for it to go down tomorrow

[gleaming siren]

This doesn't really answer your question at all though

[solar moss]

i mean it shows +- how much each stat is theoretically bis

[solar moss]

I don't need to calculate this shit in my head, just something to look towards

and to know if crit is dedge stat

[dense elbow]

Crit is good 👍

All stats are good - ya want it balanced. Balance points are easily found by the bot

[coarse nest]

My sims want me to drop haste for Crit

Was at about 28% haste now I’m down to 21% iirc

[solar moss]

im somewhat same, but probably need some more crit rn

[golden hare]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP CIRCLEJERKING STAT %S

[radiant plank]

im somewhat same, but probably need some more versa rn

[hollow quail]

that stats dont matter that much tho? Like yea you want your stat priority overall, but the stats will come from gear passively as you get higher ilvl

another reason to sim since it'll do well to determine if a piece with different stats is better or not just because it has more strength or itll only be a small sidegrade of <.5%

[coarse nest]

Need more speed

[radiant plank]

Do I do it

[crisp bronze]

Playing male orc and watch him wobble trying to run and catch up to raid while leap is on cd

[atomic fog]

hi, do you know any WA that can help tracking enraged, whirlwind, ashen marked please ?

[golden hare]

lots on wago.io :3

[sick jungle]

which pack do y'all use

im might have to drop afenar, i think it's lagging me

[golden hare]

my own :3

[sick jungle]

im too stupid to create my own

[golden hare]

i can guarantee you're not!

it is very simple

just super tedious

[tender sky]

I like the Luxthos one. There are also a couple of settings baked into the pack to make some tinkers to fit your needs

[coarse nest]

Worth

Put in speed meta gem too

Real chad shit

[storm rune]

speed is the only tertiary that directly affects your DPS

it's a thinker

[radiant plank]

but my crit

[storm rune]

Speed > Crit

unironically

[radiant plank]

Crit DN

[storm rune]

Speed on DN

[radiant plank]

Pile on?

[storm rune]

https://tenor.com/view/pile-south-park-randy-marsh-gif-26554340

[bitter palm]

pile on?

[golden hare]

pile on?

[coarse nest]

pile on?

[dense elbow]

No! We not going back a year! No

Hm, you think the Devs made fury look super op early on. So they got a 'reason' to kill fury and push arms. Then dev chills be all like: Fury op week 1, you had your less than a month, suffer for the rest of the expansion is justified!

[modest condor]

yes that's exactly what they did

[storm rune]

Fury should be the defacto m+ spec, Arms the more gentlemanly of the pair deserves the honour of representing our class in the raids

They only use one 2h weapon because the other hand is holding a tea cup

[dense elbow]

Other hand under the table to the Devs*

[thick fossil]

I mean, it's not wrong.

[verbal rivet]

Under Aug Is wild tho

[dense elbow]

We are not under aug when we line CDs for max ST tho

So we guchi

[red berry]

so we probably won’t get nerfed

🤷

[verbal rivet]

We shouldn’t be having to say that tho. We shouldn’t have to have an argument to be better then the spec based entirely on making the mage parse better.

[thick fossil]

There is a reason people joked about calling this game "World of Magecraft."

[bitter palm]

wizard mmo

[verbal rivet]

There’s a reason I made a mage

But Im already prepping to eat a bench on Kyveza Prog.

Just have to pad even harder on Broodtwister

[thick fossil]

I refuse to play mage. Such an over hyped class.

Ppl say playing mage has always been super hard, 5d chess, nonsense.

[verbal rivet]

I mean…kinda. Definitely a spec that needs skill.

[storm rune]

arcane mage is so fucking braindead I thought people were memeing when they said BM was the easiest

[covert blaze]

[verbal rivet]

????? You played it recently?

[bitter palm]

there is literally not a single spec

that takes

[thick fossil]

[golden hare]

[bitter palm]

more than 2 braincells to paly

[serene fox]

idk i find arcane pretty hard

and i have at least 4 brain cells (at most 8)

[verbal rivet]

If it’s so easy, go drop a purple parse on arcane rn.

[storm rune]

big true, though those monks do look kinda mysterious and scary to play

[errant vessel]

enh is the only difficult spec for me

so many procs that change up your prio

[verbal rivet]

Functional, base play is simple. Playing specs well? Whole different story.

BM Hunter probs the easiest bc you aren’t punished for movement.

[grim grail]

is there much difference between frenzied vs powerful enrage or just player choice?

[storm rune]

frenzied is fun, powerful is boring

[lament hinge]

enrage little bit more damage

[fervent yoke]

Wonder what the vault gods got in store for us today

[storm rune]

My Nephew got me sick with his kindergarten germs, couldn't play all week so my vault is full of nothing but hero gear and cobwebs

[quiet prawn]

is 5% worth it? I kinda just insta talented it because I'm used to high movement speed as a rogue main but not looking at it, 5% isn't a lot.

[radiant plank]

5% is 5%

[storm rune]

just imagine, that's one more GCD you didn't miss because the tank was repositioning the boss and he ran it out of your melee range

because you zoomin'

[golden hare]

nah but this is a skill issue surely you can walk and dps at the same time

[storm rune]

fun fact, bosses walk faster than you

[shut onyx]

What if the tank is another warrior who does have the talent so he moves 5% faster than you? 👀

[frank dawn]

movement speed is bis

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/snow-confused-foxy-foxyy-foxyyy-gif-10546901011750314540

We have charge, heroic leap, and yet you still want more movement speed? lol

[storm rune]

We need more

intervene should act like a dash

[dense elbow]

Faster we move, the easier we dodge swirlies

[shut onyx]

Dreaming of getting to that 49% cap from remix again

[storm rune]

The real issue is keeping 49% while getting your BFA pathfinder gear

I think I topped out at like +107% average run speed in DF with my speed set

[sullen nexus]

Will timewalking sets still work after the next patch?

Since they're going to scale mobs up to our level instead now

[olive wraith]

Powerful is better for burst aoe. Frenzy is better for prio/st

[grim grail]

tyt

[manic spindle]

Frenzy just feels better IMO

The faster fury goes the better it feels to me

Frenzy = I'm dancing Powerful = I'm arms warrior

[frank dawn]

powerful is the poop

I will not be taking further questions at this time

[olive wraith]

High haste does feel good. But it’s not always the best for every situation

[manic spindle]

Is the poop means bad? Because is the shit means good

Damn that's another question

[wide scaffold]

is there small cute picture for fury opener like arms? ^^

[manic spindle]

I'm finding it's seriously hard to get into groups as Fury. Not sure if it's because there are so many fury's, or perception, or just general competitiveness for all dps

[golden hare]

guess the ratio of dps to tank/healer

[frank dawn]

getting into groups as dps will never be easy

[velvet obsidian]

You made the mistake of not playing mage or evoker. RIP

[wide scaffold]

Thanks!

[manic spindle]

Is it insane

[noble island]

When you create a group to popular keys, the queue has 40-50 dps within the minute

If you dont have the best rating and ilvl, you wont get invited

I Even struggle to get into groups with 617 ilvl and 2500 rating

So i just run my own key until i get necrotic wake, then i am forced to pug

[calm quartz]

Why take the 2500 warrior, when you can take the 2200 ret with bres

xdd

[olive wraith]

I just love using shockwave on xalatath balls

[noble island]

Or arcane mage that can decurse

[short crypt]

everybody can bres now

[noble island]

Or other classes that can help with cc / skips / other dispells

[golden hare]

warriors don't have utility yet again ggykw

[meager void]

and look at me contending for top cc done on my keys

[subtle apex]

they just need to give warrior hero/lust .. it would fit with class fantasy and help the group finder gap

[glad coyote]

who uses group finder when you should have a premade

[low folio]

they should instead give us both bladestorm and ravager at the same time for mega damage at double the power

i feel like more people use the group finder for keys than have premades for them

[noble island]

People who cant play with a consistent time schedule

Like me

[manic spindle]

Literally. Our spells say blood and lust in them

We're literally the angry class

[noble island]

Could be warcry instead

We have rallying cry

Or had even

[manic spindle]

Rallying is so weak

10% right?

[restive peak]

Discussed at least once a month is that brez does literally zero for warr

[meager void]

everyone new to warrior wanting bloodlust is like toddlers wanting to become firemen.

[manic spindle]

It's something

[restive peak]

Errr bloodlust

But also brez now would be useless due to the engi item

We need something new

[noble island]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-think-thinking-gif-4280214517394111861

[restive peak]

Something like a banner…from Maldraxxus

[meager void]

Aug Warrior is the way

[manic spindle]

Like a little 10% haste buff on 2min cd for 12 sec

[restive peak]

Or they could just stop nuking us all over to fix one area

[low folio]

never like the way maldraxxus looked visually

[meager void]

why ask for brez/lust when you could ask for Ebon Might

[restive peak]

We’re still giga strong but it’s a bit frustrating

[low folio]

felt too cartoony for a place of toxins and death

[olive wraith]

give us a vers buff

[restive peak]

RIP banner

[meager void]

motw

[golden hare]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[manic spindle]

Bigger question. What are you guys going to do once you can login (after vault). A priority queue?

[olive wraith]

a cooldown vers buff

like 20% vers for a duration

[golden hare]

NO!!!!!

[noble island]

Give us skull banner back

[meager void]

that warrior shouted and it made me more versatile

[glad coyote]

get vault check weekly, probably spam last wing of LFR, catalyst a heroic tier piece and do m+

[meager void]

/yell Diversify your talents!

[restive peak]

Vault, spark, push keys

[noble island]

Check vault, back to spamming GB for trinket

[restive peak]

Impatiently wait for my eyes to bleed on splits

[noble island]

Need a on-use trinket for broodkeeper

[manic spindle]

Is there any point to delves on a tues?

If you're past 606

[noble island]

Fun I guess

If its your type of content

[manic spindle]

I don't play this game for fun

I play to be upset and progress while angry

[low folio]

wouldnt stonevaults trinket just be better or does the gb trinket scale a lot more on its mastery on use than it makes it seem on the journal

[noble island]

Same brother

[meager void]

technically you could get a 610 trinket like the knife or the dredger plate gear, but you would be better serverd by m+

[manic spindle]

So vault > M+ grinding essentially

[oak frigate]

I have a question about rotation:

I see differing strategies between spamming rampage>empowered raging blow a bunch of times, or alternating between rampage>empowered raging blow>empowered bloodthirst. Which is the best way?

Also some guides say to do execute with 3 stacks of buff over empowered bloodthirst, but I also see this ignored at times. Is it situational?

[noble island]

And crafting of 2nd item if you crafted a wep

[meager void]

Khadros is better but by a small ammount

[noble island]

But id wait for heroic clear / first mythic bosses

[manic spindle]

Oooh, I have the charged 2h, so ,aybe the embellish that doubles that?

maybe*

[noble island]

Youd rampage -> crushing blow -> empowered blood thirst -> rampage ideally. Id Read up on the guide for a better insight

[glad coyote]

yall think echo catches up or if liquid gets last boss this week?

[noble island]

Exactly. Personally crafted that embellishment on a 610 pvp item, just need to replace that

[olive wraith]

someone get these servers up. i wanna see vault before work

[low folio]

if im not mistaken liquid doesnt win that often or is it the other way around

[sick jungle]

echo has been winning most recently

[oak frigate]

Sorry, that’s what I meant; but when I look at logs I will sometimes see people doing

Rampaging>crushing blow exclusively over

Rampage>crushing blow>empowered bloodthirst

[polar trail]

Maybe when they bladestorm? That consumes the enpowered bt

[oak frigate]

Post bladestorm, seems like when they recklessness because rampage pops off 1 raging blow

[noble island]

At pull, when you have reck and a lot of rage you just go rampage -> crush blow -> rampage for the first globals. As Eldufo said, bladestorm cast bloodthirsts when bladestorming

So youd rampage -> crushing blow -> bladestorm

[sick jungle]

is it still okay to craft boots

[noble island]

And then rampage

[sick jungle]

or is cloak/wrist mainly the play

[delicate yacht]

Craft vambraces over boots

[sick jungle]

fk

I'm stuck with adventurer boots lmao

was thinking of just slamming the boots as my craft this week

[delicate yacht]

There's 616 heroic track boots haste mastery on auction house

For cheap

[sick jungle]

recraft my pvp wrists to no embellishment

what is cheap

I got like 2mil

[delicate yacht]

My server they're only like 300-400k

[sick jungle]

wtf

I might just slam that

[delicate yacht]

Its a heroic boe

[sick jungle]

wowo

I've been struggling with heroic track gear

[torpid sand]

maintenance extended by two hours

[sick jungle]

literally 0 luck

[torpid sand]

[sick jungle]

no fucking way

[oak frigate]

Ok, that’s consistent with what I’m seeing. Rampge>RB just during recklessness

What about prioritizing execute? Is execute with 3 stacks over empowered bloodthirst during non recklessness window

[sick jungle]

don't lie

[noble island]

Cheap???

[noble island]

My brother youre swimming in gold id that is cheap

[tribal flint]

You don’t have CB on pull in aoe build so you have to rampage

[sick jungle]

fuck man

300-400k is like

[delicate yacht]

Well what did you all end of dragon flight if not get gold

[sick jungle]

4 hours of DE'ing shit

ugh

i really wish you could use keyboard macros lol

but the risk of being banned is not worth it

[noble island]

Yeah. Outside of reck its very rare that you wont be able to cast all 3 spells before capping rage, but you wanna cast all three spells pre rampage (empowered RB and BT + 3 stacks of execute)

[tribal flint]

Not play Disney land WoW lol

[delicate yacht]

i only have about 4mil gold and that's pretty average i feel like for most people

[sick jungle]

I wonder how many people get banned by thinking they're smart and using their keyboard to macros repetitive inputs

[supple laurel]

yh brev I'm in the same pos. 571 boots lol. rest 605+

[spare steppe]

@edgy widget can OF and BS get unnerfed now that add damage doesn’t matter

[sick jungle]

I feel like the average person is nowhere even near 500k

[upbeat blade]

extremely hot take

[torn cobalt]

did mining for like 4-5 hours and made 200k 😄

[supple laurel]

yh i'm deffo not avg. Never done anything to make gold lol

[buoyant lava]

true I sit around 150k at all times

[delicate yacht]

well u can craft 590 boots without a spark, so if you have 570 boots you are trolling yourself

delves also drop 603 boots

[icy stream]

^

[sick jungle]

i have not gotten boots from delves

[manic spindle]

Like what?

[tribal flint]

You could have ran black temple for some champ shots

[torn cobalt]

can you get a neck from delves?

[supple laurel]

got 610 neck from a delve

[icy stream]

if you level 80 and played more than 3 days the last week no reason you shouldnt be ilvl 603+

[delicate yacht]

yes you can get all slots haha

[torn cobalt]

uff really need to do delves then

[sick jungle]

like if you use a keyboard macro using software ie. logitech/steelseries/corsair

[torn cobalt]

got 7 keys

[sick jungle]

lots of keyboards have software to create macros

[oak frigate]

Certainly u cast all 3 spells, but what is the priority:

Emp RB> emp BT > 3 stack execute

Or

Emp RB > 3 stack execute > emp BT

[manic spindle]

What's the benefit/point?

[supple laurel]

lit drop from delve

[sick jungle]

well, if you want to sit in town and disenchant items

[manic spindle]

OOOOH

I see

[sick jungle]

but don't want to press a button/click every 2.5 seconds

just hold down your macro or something

BOOM banned

[manic spindle]

I thought we were talking about non-gcd spells

I was like uhhh I do that

[tribal flint]

Arms rotation looks so clunky in keys

[sick jungle]

oh nah lol

[tribal flint]

Compared to just zug zug with fury

[sick jungle]

I've been so tempted to try a keyboard macro for disenchanting

[manic spindle]

Even running powerful feels bad to me as fury

[sick jungle]

I hate disenchanting so much

[burnt crow]

anyone leaning more on cloak or bracers for craft. or just whatever is a worse ilvl slot atm?

[sick jungle]

I was tempted to do boots

[noble island]

Seeing as you wont cast rampage before youve done all spells, you wanna use execute first

[sick jungle]

because I have adventurer boots and I've done as many T8 bountiful delves as I can

8/8N 7/8H and KSM

no fucking boots

[burnt crow]

boot will come this week for ya i feel it in my plums

[noble island]

And then theres little nuances such as «how many raging blows have i cast previously that buff the bt crit chance». If its higher than a certaint threshold (like 90%), then you cast bt first

[tribal flint]

Hoping I can hit 1.1 m sim today

Then try and do 9s for the 636 weapon

[oak frigate]

Oh, like the tier mechanic last season?

Gotta dig up that WA

[oak frigate]

Thanks for all your help!

[runic violet]

maintenance extended to total 5 hours

😦

[hidden sinew]

Why does blizzard hate etd players

[noble island]

Glad to help

[sick jungle]

when does EU get their maintenance

[oak frigate]

They don’t maintain EU

lawless out there

[clever path]

ARRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[hidden sinew]

How dare blizzard make me wait and play subpar games

[sick jungle]

if NA gets a 5 hour maintenance, how long will EU's maintenance be?

blizz trying to help echo confirmed

[summer quail]

usually is pretty short. NA beta testing for us

[quaint hamlet]

yo fury gang, what yall crafting? ik guides say weap for raid and cloak for m+ but im unsure if i should really go for the cloak and miss out 10 ilvl on my weap even as m+ player

[sick jungle]

i went wep

619

[manic spindle]

So I've been using Hekili to try and learn the rotation. It always puts raging blow above of everything. Even procs of sudden death and bloodthirst (even in aoe) but I feel like aoe bloodthirst because of the spin should be better?

[quaint hamlet]

yeah bloodthirst in aoe it is and raging blow in st

[manic spindle]

Is whirlwinded raging blow jus that much better?

[sick jungle]

you kinda only execute when SD is about to expire/refresh AJ/3 stacks of marked

[quaint hamlet]

as raider or m+

[sick jungle]

both kinda

i'm 7/8 hc and have ksm

[quaint hamlet]

same here

[sick jungle]

nothing crazy

[quaint hamlet]

but i only do raids for the important parts as soon as i got the ring from the brood mf i will only spam m+

and this extra versa could really make a diff in higher keys

but missing out the weap for the cloak doesnt feel right 😄

[sick jungle]

I regret making the pvp weapon

[manic spindle]

Where does this live? Looking for the aoe one

[sick jungle]

I could've just made 2 pvp armor pieces with 2x thread

[fading bane]

https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/fury-warrior-raid-guide#rotation-header

maxroll guie made by Revvez

[winter shoal]

^ note this hasn't been fully updated since Revvez has been doing RWF stuff

[manic spindle]

Damn that's intensely thorough!

[torpid sand]

Eh, i still prefer to use Avatar and Recklessness together ngl

[manic spindle]

Also I've definitely been doing some things wrong

[restive peak]

?

You do

You just send reck on ST 1s before ava so you're enraged lol

[hardy shore]

When you have the talent that enrages you for odyns fury. Do you still need to rampage before odyns fury to get the enrage damage. Or wiill odyns fury automatically apply enrage damage to its damage

[storm rune]

Linc there has been so much yapping about the opening today, everybody's got it twisted

[icy badger]

so im trying to fix my dps and looking at logs etc at higher performing players

i just dont understand how my logs look very similar to the rank 1 warr on the heroic fight minus their kill was 1 min faster but he parsed purple and i parsed green

and i dont get it

[storm rune]

OF will enrage before applying damage

[hardy shore]

thanks!

[restive peak]

I can't even imagine lol

[icy badger]

mine

his i dont have 4 set yet

[restive peak]

Well your rampage is insanely too high for starters

You're not even remotely playing the same as him

You aren't weaving CB/BB properly, oversending RB, oversending rampage

[sick jungle]

^

[icy badger]

its not just Rampage into crushing into bb then look to spend the second charge of RB unlerss procced? or rampage procs?

[restive peak]

You aren't doing that

You have considerably more ramps than CBs, and you have considerably too many RBs

Ideally it would go Ramp>CB>RB(Reset>BB>Ramp or Ramp>CB>RB>RB(Reset)>BB>Ramp

However when possible, esp during CDs, you can also just Ramp>CB>Ramp>CB>Ramp>CB>RB>BB

There should never be a time you don't have Ramp+CB at 1 and 1, ever

So as soon as you have 70 ramps and 60 CBs, for example, you're massively misplaying

If you're going to have to send RBs to get back to ramp/100 rage, you ALWAYS send them before BB to increase the crit chance+increase the odds you go into your next Ramp>CB cycle w Opportunist buffed

[sick jungle]

wait so ramp>CB>RB>BB?

oh true right the crit on BB

[narrow narwhal]

Ty linc. I've been doing CB BB then spamming RB

[sick jungle]

same lmao

[upbeat blade]

also looks like you were playing an aoe build on a single target fight

[restive peak]

Yes, and also you're fishing for an opportunist proc into the Ramp>CB cycle

It's minor if you don't get opportunist, but it adds up, esp over an entire fight

[icy badger]

so it looks like Ramp>CB>RB>BB?

[restive peak]

Multiple opportunist CBs + high crit BBs will matter across 5m

[icy badger]

i was doing that and then someone told me to do Ramp>Cb>BB>RB -.-

[restive peak]

Yes, but read all the different ones I posted because there is nuance

If there's no reset on 1st RB, and you aren't over 100 rage or going to drop enrage, you'd RB again before BB

[icy badger]

tyvm 🙂 ive been a healer ofr like 15 years so my first time trying to dps well

[sick jungle]

well I mean, I don't think ramp>CB>BB>RB is what is ruining your parse

[restive peak]

If you will drop enrage, you BB

No stress broheem

Missing the CBs is a bigger issue, but if you're fixing 1 thing you may as well fix the whole place yaknow?

So better to reset muscle mem completely on par from the start

[wide scaffold]

sorry new to fury, do people macro Recklessness with avatar? any must have macros?

[restive peak]

You can but should have a separate reck for ST as well

[slim grotto]

So you always immediately send Ranp on a reset?

[rigid kestrel]

Stupid question Inc, but how come?

[restive peak]

Cuz ideally you'd reck>charge>enrage then ava on ST

And reck+charge guarantees instant ramp

[rigid kestrel]

Oooooh

Yeah Ima go shot my self

[wide scaffold]

for ava fury proc?

[rigid kestrel]

Shoot

[wild mural]

why is fury not running OS on ST?

[restive peak]

OS sucks

[rose crag]

i always just hold and take like 5 globals to get 100 rage

[wild mural]

madge

[rose crag]

cuz clearly im bad lol

[restive peak]

Ye def don't do that, you're losing a ton of dmg

[wild mural]

im gonna run it anyway

[restive peak]

Not bad, just learning

[slim grotto]

Linc do we always resend Ramp on resets?

[restive peak]

Explain resets

What do you mean

[rigid kestrel]

You by any chance got abit of time to look theough fast my logs and see if im being a xomplete monkey?

[slim grotto]

When CB procs it

[restive peak]

Like after you've spent CB+BB?

Can link it to me Abba in DMs but not this moment, will when I can

Uhm yes

But again, minor optimization, it's added cognitive load to track

[slim grotto]

So if I’m getting back to back procs, my rotation would just be Ramp>Cb>ramp>cb>

[restive peak]

I personally play better with more cog load, not less, but that's an ADHD brain thing

110%

If you can ramp>CB>Ramp>CB you'd do that anyway, as long as it won't lead to you running dry and losing enrage to do so

Like during CDs/lust sometimes I Ramp>CB>Ramp>CB>Ramp>CB>BB

[still basin]

Do we want Double Authority of Depths or do we awnt 1 x Radiant Power

[slim grotto]

It sounds like I’m playing right then, but my damage is so inconsistent. Some pulls I’m top, others I’m mid. I’ll get new logs this week and share.

[restive peak]

Double depths for raid, some people are thinking radiant for M+ (I disagree, prio/ST still matters, but see both sides)

[delicate yacht]

Depths depths

[still basin]

Thanks

[delicate yacht]

Suffering darkness on m+ bosses is more important than trash

[fickle cedar]

this is gold

[short crypt]

[sick jungle]

lol you see the post on reddit about the dude kicking the tank because the tank asked for people to kick?

[tender sky]

Shit like that I think makes people skeptical when I queue as both tank and dps

Anecdotally, I get invited much more selecting one or the other

[lapis eagle]

😅 emotional damage

[fervent yoke]

I feel for the fallen DK

Pours one out*

[fickle cedar]

btw do you get pulled while bladestorming on queen ?

[frank dawn]

nah you can use bladestorm to immune it

[restive peak]

But be careful cuz of haste

Fucked that up once LOL

[frank dawn]

I was a ball hair from popping it too soon this week

lol

[covert blaze]

As long as you blsdestorm before the pull

Do it sub 2 seconds

Check your bladestorm duration tho cause it's hasted

[gusty cloak]

Hey Linc, you dont always BB after CB? i always Ramp>CB>BB

[serene vessel]

bro fuck off

[restive peak]

No, explained around there where I said that, there are many cases you'll RB 1-2x before sending BB Kkash

I posted a few different rotational "possibilities", however IF you just Ramp>CB>BB as long as you're not dropping enrage or running out of RB charges, you will parse high

[serene vessel]

they're just actively removing all spell reflects its kind of annoying

[restive peak]

Perfect requires a bit more nuance

Can't give us too many opportunities Yusk

[gusty cloak]

gotcha ty, yeah sometimes ramp>CB>CB>BB

[serene vessel]

just a guess but I'd be willing to bet this is a fix to spell reflect fucking over the tentacles too

[edgy widget]

So I think the immunity is to prevent players from getting chain grabbed by multiple overlapping tentacles

[serene vessel]

ohhh

[edgy widget]

not making the tentacle immune from players

[serene vessel]

if thats the case thats good

because that is kinda dumb i got griefed once by a tentacle throwing me into a new tentacle spawn lol

[restive peak]

It better not be that I can't bladestorm em anymore LMAO

[serene vessel]

you can also just spell reflect them and walk through as many as possible

[edgy widget]

you can also spell reflect them 🙃

[serene vessel]

(i recommend that over BS)

[restive peak]

Ye I do both haha

[edgy widget]

honestly the fight is not hard as long as people don't blow up adds as soon as they spawn

[restive peak]

I mean you just move to BS where the most are and still hit boss

[edgy widget]

just don't hit adds until the aoe pulse starts, and the fight is jokes

[heavy dock]

is this that thing from the dragons

[serene vessel]

dont the adds put a stacking buff on tank tho

[heavy dock]

that left patches on the ground?

[serene vessel]

ya

[heavy dock]

i swear that wasnt teflectable

i tried multiple times with no success

[thick fossil]

Damn, did they extend maintenance?

[serene vessel]

ive reflected it a few times

[runic violet]

5 hour maintenance

[heavy dock]

i hope they dontt fix splice lmao makes cothreads so much better

[frigid temple]

Hello, I am requsting for someone to @ me when servers come online. Thank you

[restive peak]

I mean at least it doesn't insta tick anymore

So if it drops on you, you can react without getting 1 banged

[serene vessel]

theres a lot of instant ticks in this dungeon set for some reason and i dont know why

[heavy dock]

cuz its old

and they never bothered to properly test it i bet

they just did it ona +2 and said, hell yea working good

[serene vessel]

the pools in mists are the biggest offender

the dungeon is easy but the pools ont he trash leading up to last boss can kill you so quick

[heavy dock]

yep just did an 11 and got dmged so much lol

thank god we are so tanky

sometimes running endurance training for 600k hp

[gleaming canopy]

So I asked about rotations and feeling like I fall behind a lot on dps today and here is a damage breakdown from a +8, not full key healer died a few times so you know how it goes, but is anything jumping out to you guys as wrong here?

Only about 900k total dps

[deft sleet]

we are like worst melee class now we suck in keys, seems normal

[restive peak]

Bladestorm usage jumps out at me right off the bat as low

Also your ilvl, pull sizes, ilvl of other people, key level etc determine a lot

We are 110% not the worst melee, we are super strong

[gleaming canopy]

Tbh it was only the first boss of dawnbreaker so not many good trash pulls yet

[deft sleet]

not in keys

[karmic lark]

guys wht should my first craft be for Fury M+ focused ?

[serene vessel]

fury is good in keys

we're not the best

but we're strong

[noble island]

Or the flipside, use too long and the sdebuff is still up when the boss does rhe next AoE cast

[abstract spear]

Is there a Single Minded Fury build around thats any good?

[deft sleet]

we are the worst melee class in keys though

[restive peak]

Brother I have like 6 top 3-10 keys in NA right now, we're extremely good in keys

[serene vessel]

no SMF is always just worse

[restive peak]

And I mean top 3-10 across all comps, not for warriors

[deft sleet]

not in dps

[serene vessel]

???

[abstract spear]

If somebody forced you to play one, how would you? 😄

[restive peak]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvJTSmLB2_U&ab_channel=Equinox

Feel free to check the overall at the end

[deft sleet]

if you look at wclogs for top parses in 10s there are warriors with 900k dps in top

[restive peak]

They're playing poorly, that means nothing to actual strength

[nimble ermine]

probably would rather reroll than play smf

[restive peak]

By playing a different spec/class

[serene vessel]

pick the regular talent tree, drop a choice node and pick up SMF, then cry because you spent a talent point to do 5% less dps

[edgy widget]

the next AoE is like a full minute later, and the debuff lasts 10s, so no that will not happen

[heavy dock]

can i ask what your rotation looks like on opener with full cds?

[restive peak]

For AOE or ST?

[heavy dock]

i feel like im messing up ther sometimes

aoe

like the first pull

[restive peak]

For AOE it's literally just full send > charge pop reck/ava/roar>Ramp>Storm>CB>spend remaining 2 WWS>OF

And then standard rotation from there

[heavy dock]

do u also spend every BB on every rampage?

someppl told me bb becomes better than cb on like 8 targets

[serene vessel]

in m+ build i do

[delicate yacht]

shouldn't you OF first after storm to get it on cooldown sooner

[serene vessel]

spend both

[south kayak]

I use BB first in aoe

[heavy dock]

and ive been doing that and i feel my dmg got lower lol

[south kayak]

CB in st

[serene vessel]

CB first because it buffs ur BB

[restive peak]

I always send BB but I always send CB first in AOE

You will ALWAYS send both, there is no reason not to buff your crit chance by 15% before BBing

[serene vessel]

crit chance and damage from some buff right?

[restive peak]

However if a pack has a huge ST/prio mob, and I can CB>Ramp>CB, I will

That's on reset, not guaranteed

[heavy dock]

i see

[restive peak]

I'm a big anti padder, I disagree heavily with playing for overall > timer

[heavy dock]

and do u usually full send all cds if u have them up or space them out

[serene vessel]

oh for sure not guaranteed but just another reason to send CB first

[restive peak]

A lot of the time it's better to focus more ST into the big mob

[serene vessel]

depends on the pack

[restive peak]

Always together, BS on CD due to CDR, OF/BS for small packs/pre boss packs

[serene vessel]

thats a question that requires a lot more nuance

[restive peak]

But if they're all avail, it's always together

[hard widget]

@edgy widget Rashanan time? kappa

[frank cedar]

what's the top prio skill in the fury rotation? -> rampage (no matter how many stacks of Slaughtering Strikes I have) ?

[restive peak]

I'm gonna go St w roar Jev, if it aligns cool, if not it's such a minor DPS loss compared to spear I don't care

But my FDK can enjoy his pad

[serene vessel]

pretend slaughtering isnt a thing

check the wowhead guide for the priority for ur rotation

but its not rampage

[karmic lark]

guys wht should my first craft be for Fury M+ focused ?

[serene vessel]

thats S2 DF not current fury

[restive peak]

Unless you have 2 639 weps, you're gonna want wep

[frank cedar]

I need to understand if rampage gets cast on cooldown or just to keep up enrage buff

[covert blaze]

arms angle

[restive peak]

636 wep dps increase > 636 offpiece w dusk

You'll get more sparks

[hard widget]

My team needs me to aoe

[eternal sundial]

very important

[restive peak]

WCL says pad is pointless on rasha, tell the team sorry, WCL says they aren't dangerous

Not srs

[hard widget]

Yeah trust me i tried to make my argument

[restive peak]

I mean no you should play AOE build for prog, parses literally mean nothing

[frank cedar]

anyone any idea?

[hard widget]

But seems like they got bullied by some FDK's and Fury warriors in highschool

[restive peak]

Killing boss > artificial numbers

And yes, that's the sentiment

[warm crag]

that decision was damaging to lower guilds at best

[restive peak]

They're sad they can't out dps us on 1 fight

[eternal sundial]

ramp to stay enraged

[restive peak]

So they changed it so we can't beat them

[edgy widget]

already in #1237307390865571890 and #updates-midnight
Also put it in the raid tips guides lol

[restive peak]

^ biggest issue with it

[ember apex]

it doesnt hurt to press rampage, esp when u dont have enrage buff

[sullen dove]

Hit ramp when it’s the best button to hit you’re not waiting for timer to run out

usually cb/bb/exe take precedence over ramp

In various degrees of importance

[tidal kindle]

The staunch defenders appear to all in the same guild so...

https://tenor.com/biEXs.gif

[sullen dove]

But not sitting on a ramp for several seconds just cause

[lament hinge]

bruh cant even get into +7

[restive peak]

Not usually, CB always takes prio, 3 stack exec takes prio (if enraged) and BB is prio if your next Ramp>CB loop will end with having a rage issue

[hard widget]

Im still salty

[restive peak]

The human condition

[eternal sundial]

remember guys

[karmic lark]

both with ascension eblish ?

[eternal sundial]

logs are made up

just do dam

[tender sky]

A low parse on brood is just a signal of a good player now 🤷🏼‍♂️

[restive peak]

The ability to band together and mental gymnastics yourselves w friends to stupidity

[delicate yacht]

make sure you weave in those heroic throws and storm bolts during movement phases am i right

[hard widget]

I unfortunately got told that warcraftlogs is wrong by my raidleader, i was ready to go full ST

[tidal kindle]

I tried so many times to pull away from the parse argument, and steer it towards consistency / user friendly information

[frank cedar]

the reply I was waiting for - thx

[restive peak]

I actually do think log chasing is giga wasteful outside farm, and I mean farm farm, not 2nd kills

[restive peak]

^ this is the real crux

[tender sky]

Fury is the most efficient class to kill adds - it’s best for us to do it

[hard widget]

Prog is farm 😎

[tidal kindle]

But they (most of them) didn't want to even acknowledge that talking point

Kept harping on parse

[restive peak]

1 wep w it, 1 offpiece armor piece w nerubian

[tidal kindle]

The most I got out of it was "try to make unfiltered damage button more visible"
When a boss damage filter already exists

[unique locust]

And on Ulgrax? st build or aoe?

[edgy widget]

multitarget... for now

[restive peak]

No I know you're memein Jev, but it's also bad to teach people to ignore prioing a kill > parse, if you're parsing 80+ you're doing amazing on prog, if your boss dam parses are 90s+ you're extremely useful

[teal pine]

It gets reverted surely. Just keep making noise

[junior gale]

When you're on your 5th Tswift kill and it still doesn't feel like you're on farm

[tender sky]

So cursed to int your group for a colored number

[frank dawn]

if WCL removes all the bullshit aoe that's near meaningless then Blizzard will surely rebuff fury right

that's totally how it works

[edgy widget]

na they already that while they probably should have done it with a partition (like 11.0.5), it's too difficult for them to roll back now

[lone sage]

ngl man, rets feel so nice on keys having burst at every single pack, while fury without burst feels like poop

[hard widget]

"FOR NOW" HAH

[teal pine]

[crimson atlas]

yeah ret is like s tier for M+

dont forget the 200-300k passive HPS ret gives

[tidal kindle]

"Irreversible change"

Their words

[deft sleet]

monks are better too

[teal pine]

[restive peak]

yeah this warriors suck in M+ thing legit needs to die

We are extremely strong this tier for that

[lone sage]

i have way less io and less ilvl on my ret and get invited way easily into +8

its just lol

[deft sleet]

we aren't , you can just check wclogs vs every other melee class

lol

[restive peak]

We are unkillable on a season w tons of unavoidable dmg, we have insane burst to pull around, we have amazing boss damage when in AOE spec

We just had this conversation, and you ignored me

Only to loop back 10mins later as if I'd left

[deft sleet]

because you aren

[restive peak]

10 spam on alts are not relevant

[deft sleet]

aren't refernecing wclogs

[restive peak]

I don't care about spammed 10s played poorly, half of which are sales or alts

[warm crag]

[hard widget]

OMG IM HAVING SO MUCH FUN

[deft sleet]

see what you are saying is opininon and not stats

[tidal kindle]

Just passive cleave bro

[deft sleet]

so it doesn't need to die, its true

[tidal kindle]

Everyone can go ST

[restive peak]

No, what I'm saying is about the damage potential played appropriately

If you think you should be S tier while playing wrong, you're on the wrong game

[edgy widget]

we were told the adds aren't deadly and can't kill people 🙃

[hard widget]

xd

[deft sleet]

ok and that potential isn't there, bcuz once again wclogs shows top rankings

and top rankings of warriors

[edgy widget]

"they should just be passively cleaved down when everyone is bis"

[deft sleet]

are lower than other classes

[hard widget]

Maybe i should link it in the WCL channel Archi

[regal storm]

So if I’m full rage I should skip bb to go back to ramp cb?

[edgy widget]

idc that place was a serious echo chamber

[restive peak]

Yes Zen

[edgy widget]

the only people arguing in defense were three friends/guildies of the person who made the change, which smacks of bias

and I get the idea behind the change, but do not agree with it being so inconsistently applied

[tidal kindle]

Picking and choosing where the logic is applied in order to favorably/disfavorably skew statistics

[warm crag]

i don't get the difference between previous add damage enabled, allstar-disabled fights and this unprecedented way of handling it

[tidal kindle]

The difference is

[south kayak]

Fucking dumbasses

[warm crag]

this outcome just fucks uninformed lower guilds

[tidal kindle]

Mages/warlocks/hunters can't touch the adds on 1 fight

So they complain and their friend/guildie is on wcl team

And change goes through

Correlation, not causation

[fervent yoke]

I don’t get the point of this warriors seem fine I was top 3 all raid last night

[edgy widget]

hunters have had no end of qq because BM has no cleave, despite being a ST monster

[deft sleet]

key word is RAID

not m+

we are good at raid, not m+

[south kayak]

fuck hunters

[fervent yoke]

oh didn’t catch that part

[south kayak]

fuck mages

fuck warlocks

[edgy widget]

Fury isn't good at M+? 🤔

what groups are you running

[deft sleet]

fury is worse than all melee classes at m+

[restive peak]

Yeah I already had this argument w him Archi

[deft sleet]

which is proven by wclogs

[fervent yoke]

Maybe ur comp isn’t built for fury?

[crimson atlas]

ya pretty sure Fury is fine for M+

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-on-wait-a-minute-somethings-aint-right-hold-up-somethings-wrong-here-gif-17361118

[restive peak]

He cares about +10s

[serene vessel]

i think context is important, the problem is when they (wcl) pull stuff like this they need to add a FAT context bar that you have to read before you click on the logs

[tidal kindle]

If the logic was applied universally, I wouldn't like the change but I'd still support it

[lone sage]

that doesnt mean its bad

[crimson atlas]

it may not be the best melee for M+, but its certainly not bad

[twin glacier]

Ok 2k Andy

[tidal kindle]

But it's not applied universally

[deft sleet]

warrior is lowest parsing melee class in m+

[lone sage]

means every melee is good kek

[modest condor]

people wont read that anyway :)

[edgy widget]

you know that M+ parses aren't real, right

[teal pine]

I feel like m+ logs aren’t the most reliable source

[heavy dock]

how do u guys fit SD procs in m+?

[deft sleet]

and the other melee classes have more utility

[restive peak]

Parsing and M+ in the same sentence JESUS

[deft sleet]

they are real if u filter by dps and not points

[south kayak]

[solid vortex]

what is ideal 2 weapon enchants on each weapon for raids and m+ im guessing authority of the depths x2, never use stonbound artistry (mastery buff)? im currently using authority of the depths on my mh but undecided about my off hand

[restive peak]

Do you understand what happens to enhance shams in +14-15s?

[twin glacier]

Why are u playing warrior then

[restive peak]

Or WW monks?

[hard widget]

I mean to be fair, with good players we getting gapped Archi

[restive peak]

Or even rogues?

They're dead

[fervent yoke]

Just don’t play warr?

[restive peak]

As in they do zero damage because they DIE

[edgy widget]

tell that to Noxiv

[lone sage]

play ret

win

[restive peak]

We are extremely durable, EXTREMELY durable, I can literally allow my healer to ignore me on huge healing phases by popping enrage+storm

[willow cradle]

Noxiv do be pumpin

[restive peak]

I guess Noxiv and Crit and I are hacking somehow

[edgy widget]

and Linc!

he's a pumper

[thick fossil]

Will depend on pull size, capability of tank etc. There are way too many variables in M+

[modest condor]

crit do be hacking

[fervent yoke]

Is arms not the m+ spec?

[willow cradle]

Lincc slaps

[restive peak]

Actually I could see @mossy fox being a hacker, explains a lot

[edgy widget]

yeah idk anyone who says Warrior is bad in M+ is hella sus to me

[lone sage]

but one thing is a fact, rets are way comfy on m+

[edgy widget]

Warrior is very tanky, has a ton of control, great burst damage - low sustain but burst is frequent enough to make up for it

[hard widget]

Heartjacks gaps me on arcane

[deft sleet]

the other dps classes you're playing with are just noobs because wc logs shows warrior as worst in m+

[edgy widget]

will it be meta? no, but it's still very good

[edgy widget]

so what

[thick fossil]

That's because a vast majority of their abilities are either passive or hit and forget.

[restive peak]

Yes, Ayako who was on imperative and is typically R1 outlaw NA is a noob

LOL

[tidal kindle]

Wonder what will happen when trash damage on M+ logs gets filtered out

[edgy widget]

there's a difference between being "best" and being "bad"

[tidal kindle]

[edgy widget]

I swear some of yall can't count past 1

[lone sage]

nah, its because they have burst at every single pack, while fury outside of cds feels like shit

[crimson atlas]

yup

[untold yacht]

Guys, for raid i know its mainly authority of depths, but will that work for m+ also?

[restive peak]

I promise you enhance disappears soon for 2 reasons

[deft sleet]

if a rogue got out dps by fury warrior in m+, he is a noob

[crimson atlas]

its not best for M+ but its fine

[restive peak]

1. They're getting nerfed and 2. They will DIE in high keys

[frank dawn]

I do think fury has to be much more aware of how you use your cooldown than many classes, because of how powerful they are

[thick fossil]

No its because divine storm is literally a brain dead ability.

[edgy widget]

it's not great, since its a DoT, but it is best for boss damage yeah

[frank dawn]

but that's just part of it, and it's fine

[restive peak]

What level do you play at?

[serene vessel]

buff meat cleaver

[lone sage]

what one thing has to do with another lmao

[edgy widget]

play Thane 🙃

[restive peak]

Not to mention in AOE build we GIGA crank ST because of our class design

[deft sleet]

your ad hominem is irrelevant, just check if rogues or warriors parse higher in m+ on wclogs

[edgy widget]

M+ parses aren't real

[restive peak]

Not being #1 all the time doesn't = weak

[thick fossil]

Simple, divine storm is ranged, doesn't require target, just hit it and forget it.

[restive peak]

M+ parses don't calculate, you are literally willfully ignorant at best

[deft sleet]

they are if you do it by DPS and not points

[edgy widget]

and what level you play at is relevant to comparative spec performance, just like a spec can be better in heroic than it is in mythic raid

[untold yacht]

would you say a mix of depths and stormbound/stormrider would work better if I do both content?

[serene vessel]

id actually love to

[lone sage]

the point isnt divine storm lil bro, is having burst at every single pack while insane utility

wtf

[junior gale]

Guys M+ parses say were bad it has to be true

[lament lagoon]

Servers down?

[hard widget]

Sorry im mid raid, but if you play with really good players quite some classes outdps us

[frank dawn]

I could be wrong, but I feel like we have to be a top 3 boss dps in M+ with the specs that most people are generally gonna play in M+

[restive peak]

So you pull around your group btw; with fury, you will simply limit test until you can figure out which 2-3 pulls go together then giga burst then every 1.5mins

We are top 3 in boss dam for M+

[willow cradle]

We had burst every pack, we were not the best M+ class then

[crimson atlas]

you guys are brain rotted as hell tho

[thick fossil]

It's been that way since Shadowlands my dude.

[crimson atlas]

frost dk also pumps in M+ infact most high keys are done w/one but you guys wanna complain about ret

[edgy widget]

they still aren't, since downtime, pull size, pull cadence, and group comp are all a factors that affect DPS

[lone sage]

what this has anything to do about what im saying? are you high

[edgy widget]

but feel free to show me otherwise

[lone sage]

?

[deft sleet]

LOL. it doesn't matter, that's real. that's the whole point. is that we aren't good at small pulls

[royal sapphire]

He just cant admit hes wrong

[deft sleet]

and other dps are better

it is REAL

[restive peak]

Why would you do small pulls for high M+

[deft sleet]

the overall dmg you do is REAL

[restive peak]

LIKE WHAT

WHAAAAATTTT

[deft sleet]

you just said its affected by pull sizer

[junior gale]

He's trolling at this point

[deft sleet]

make up your mind

[restive peak]

That is the only emoji I can stand

[willow cradle]

Fury had burst every pack when AM was good, we still were not the best at it in M+

[restive peak]

Yes, because not every class is equally strong at every level?

[royal sapphire]

he prob only does 7s for vault

[restive peak]

Why TF do you care what's strong in 6s

[deft sleet]

the other classes with the "not real" parses are parsing higher

[restive peak]

You can time 6s with 5 healers

[lone sage]

but who is saying anything about being the best oO

[narrow narwhal]

:woo:

[thick fossil]

I'm mostly agreeing with you that pally is sleeper mode in M+ status. I was talking about parses and shit not mattering.

[edgy widget]

What do you define as small, and why are you pulling small in the first place?

[deft sleet]

stop pretending parses aren't real in m+ to cope. the amount of dmg you do is the amount of dmg you do

[gilded pawn]

I care about what’s strong in no leaver 10s when I play my 16th rat alt

[tidal kindle]

Okay what qualities in a class do you consider strong for m+

I feel like this is the best place to start

[restive peak]

My brain is rotted, this guys is trolling so hard

[lone sage]

its just comfy, fury just feels awful out of burst windows, legit awful

[deft sleet]

you saying they aren't real just proves the argument we are the worst melee class in m+

[tidal kindle]

Before this devolves further

[deft sleet]

you are coping for bad parses

[willow cradle]

Sorry the way you were milking ret made it seem so

[edgy widget]

the amount of damage you do is based on several factors already outlined

[willow cradle]

My bad

[lone sage]

milking = saying its comfy to have burst at every pack? lol wow

[rough orbit]

This is a warrior discord tbf

[deft sleet]

the other classes that are parsing higher have the same factors

[edgy widget]

not necessarily

[deft sleet]

the factors are irrelevant

[restive peak]

Somebody cook me, I cheated, we're so bad in M+

[junior gale]

Cheater

[restive peak]

It's like why am I even there yaknow

[deft sleet]

you aren't showing dps rankings

[restive peak]

Expensive ass top 10 keys

[deft sleet]

you are showing rankings for points

[willow cradle]

Lincc paid for a carry obviously

[deft sleet]

you aren't proving anything

[restive peak]

Timing the key matters, the fuck?

LOL

[junior gale]

Warrior is the worst melee how you even complete a 10

[restive peak]

I can do a +10 and do 3mil overall

[deft sleet]

you are still parsing lower than other classes

no you can't

[restive peak]

Then go to a 12 and do 2.1mil overall

[narrow narwhal]

How do you complete a 2 with warrior

[deft sleet]

because there is no +10 with 3m overall

[restive peak]

Yes, I promise you I can

[deft sleet]

on wclogs

[lone sage]

being worst dif than being bad

kekw

[deft sleet]

there is no +10 with even 2m

on wclogs

[restive peak]

If we go in with our team and giga triple pull each pack

Around my CDs

I promise I end at 3mil

[untold yacht]

one more question, in theory if DEPTHS enchant on both enchants is primarly for boss dmg because its a dot, would smiting both raid and M+ content with RADIANT POWER be a better overall option?

[deft sleet]

yeah so you have to cater and pad

to fit your argument?

[restive peak]

Yeah, because noones fuckin wasting their time pulling that way

[deft sleet]

when naturally playing

other classes are parsing higher

[restive peak]

No, you are so obtuse it is terrifying

[teal pine]

I doubt very many people upload their m+ logs

[thick fossil]

Reminds me of Shadowlands Boomie, mage comp.

[tidal kindle]

Is your stance that a public M+ damage parse = pushing strength?

[restive peak]

M+ logs don't matter, there is too much nuance to M+ damage logs

[deft sleet]

you are literally saying you can only parse higher than other classes with special circumstances

of pulling giant packs

lmao

[restive peak]

Did we die, did we not die, did we lust huge pulls, did we lust bosses, did packs die 20s or 40s?

[rough orbit]

Wait is there a guy saying warrior is bad in m+

[restive peak]

It is the dumbest metric I can even imagine

[rough orbit]

Where is he

[junior gale]

This man thinks public logs is everything

[crimson atlas]

radiant power is better for M+ yeah, its a small single target damage loss for raiding

[narrow narwhal]

Warriors can't do normal mode dungeons

[crimson atlas]

so redally up to you

[lone sage]

if the pack last more than 40 seg your damage will be poop lmao

[untold yacht]

I think Ill go for radiant power then on both for both raiding and M+ purposes

[restive peak]

Nope, I'm saying that the key level matters, and if you think we're not upper tier for high keys this season you are blind, deaf and dumb (Troy quote riseup)

[thick fossil]

It's been that way for a long time. It's why you see a lot of mage, boomie comps back in the day. Uncapped AoE.

[lament lagoon]

I can’t clear normal dungeon on warrior

[untold yacht]

althoug I do like to copy revvez and crictake setups

[restive peak]

This guy is the type to go into TGP and say YOUR DPS WOULDNT BE THAT GOOD IF YOU GUYS PULLED SMALLER HAHAHAHA PADDERS

Jesus

[untold yacht]

both have depths 😄

[shut onyx]

I get kicked from follower dungeons

[runic violet]

lol

[narrow narwhal]

If you see a warrior in your heroic dungeon, just leave. The group is bricked

[velvet obsidian]

[tidal kindle]

I think the only time warrior is weak in a comp is if you run w/ FDK and Arcane

[restive peak]

Yeah because we all do the same thing

[edgy widget]

well you see, it's this not-at-all suspicious person named @deft sleet who just joined the discord two days ago, and 60 of his 66 messages in the discord so far are complaining about M+

So my best guess is that he got gapped by someone and joined to qq about it

[tidal kindle]

Exactly

[restive peak]

But you could argue that about a myriad of diff comps

[tidal kindle]

But frost mage > arcane at relevant push keys

[junior gale]

True and real worst melee M+ parses says so

[tidal kindle]

Which is when fury gains

[delicate yacht]

im pulling like into the millions every trash pack and crushing the randoms in my groups consistently haha, not sure what y'all are on about

[restive peak]

Fury is going to end up being top 2 melee by end of season

[velvet obsidian]

Brann wouldn't invite me to his delves

[restive peak]

Behind FDK

[thick fossil]

Or a troll

[narrow narwhal]

I'm just doing a little trolling

[runic violet]

ahead of enh sham?

[tidal kindle]

By end of .0 patch*

Who knows what .5 brings

[restive peak]

Yes, enh will die

Oh right, we get screwed in .5 as of right now

[narrow narwhal]

Fury fuck good -3%

[restive peak]

But enh won't be able to survive the higher keys

[edgy widget]

well either way he seems pretty bad at it

[somber gale]

Nerf FDK

[rough orbit]

I bet he got smoked by a stick hunter and mental boomed smh

[restive peak]

The amount of damage this season that's unavoidable is INSANE

[runic violet]

-3%? -10% and -15% on main aoe CD on top of that

[restive peak]

We excel in those scenarios

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/malinda-yourenotwrong-notwrong-wrong-right-gif-19187634

[somber gale]

Nerf frost dk hehe

[junior gale]

People might find a way to help them live like season 1 DF

[runic violet]

is ret better

[tidal kindle]

@deft sleet
What qualities in a class do you consider strong for m+, or is your stance that public parses are the major relevant metric for determining if a class is good for pushing keys?

I feel like this is the best place to start if you are trying to have a genuinely honest convo

[restive peak]

Too much damage this season, trust me

[tidal kindle]

[restive peak]

By 16s a lot of specs will get 1 banged once externals run out

[edgy widget]

2 mil damage on logs, clearly

[runic violet]

16s? fuck

[velvet obsidian]

Do we sit Dstance in high keys then?