just set your lootspec to arms
#fury
modest condor
tawdry bane
Both are fine but slayer does more damage
torn basalt
I fucked up wasted a map and got a 610 axe forgot to switch
tawdry bane
It’s kind of hard to beat slayer fury’s aoe like 2 global in and we’ve done all our damage
rotund ginkgo
blizzard is holding us back
i changed to arms to see if i can upgrade my heroic wep to 626 for free
after crafting 636
they knew it
theyre HOLDING ME BACK
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
serene vessel
Fury Thane ST dps is still like 15% behind slayer ST dps, and prio damage is really important in keys
clear tendon
what do you actually hold single target compared to this?
serene vessel
I don't think yoi ever go Thane currently
covert blaze
hi rag
brittle crow
get a room you two
rotund ginkgo
hi babe
humble plover
get owned ragish
too bad my pc and this game suck so i get to fight slideshows instead of bosses
go ahead and be jealous
errant vessel
too bad my pc and this game suck so i get to fight slideshows instead of bosses
This tier is esp bad
I’ve considered going off Frenzied Enrage just to give my laptop some breathing room
spare flame
is this the talent tree yall running on keys? or was something else cooked
half patrol
mine is little bit sad Xd
errant vessel
is this the talent tree yall running on keys? or was something else cooked
I think most people take the 20% bladestorm dmg in mid slayer talent
odd star
guildies are always wrong. is the "guildie" a warrior player?
spare flame
I think most people take the 20% bladestorm dmg in mid slayer talent
gotcha, ty
humble plover
is this the talent tree yall running on keys? or was something else cooked
wrath and fury over jugg
tidal kindle
IM FREE
teal pine
spare flame
wrath and fury over jugg
ty boss
tidal kindle
(Still farming skarm shard though xdd)
summer quail
(Still farming skarm shard though xdd)
opal lodge
is it double depths enchant on weapon?
tidal kindle
https://tenor.com/view/why-huh-but-why-gif-13199396
Better trinket for raid
Adds get boomed > tiny mast buff > goes into boss
M+ khadros cuz you want up front mastery value for start of w.e pack you're CDing
The small buff from mobs dying goes into nothing most of the time
Unless bigly chain pulling
summer quail
hmh how big of a difference is skarmorak vs mark in raid tho?
summer quail
can't be that much
tidal kindle
summer quail
ye exactly
summer quail
if you got nothing else to farm, why not i guess
tidal kindle
I won't break my back over it
Now that I have a trinket
But weekly 10s and shit, may as well try stonevault
smoky vale
mr gfury can you help me test an idea
fallen sedge
What talent should I sacrifice to get Menace (int shout knocks back) for M+?
warm crag
he doesnt know
clever belfry
that the stonevault trinket is better on twister
tidal kindle
(Still farming skarm shard though xdd)
Anda the type of person to read 2 words
warm crag
mark is kind of full dead now no
whole wigeon
clever belfry
Anda the type of person to read 2 words
i cant read mate
dry bone
CLASS TUNING
warm crag
another nerf has hit the fury
lament hinge
unplayable
fringe ice
buffs to mage and spriest I WONDER WHERE THIS IS GOING AGAIN
potent thicket
so whats a good m+ fury build rn?
scarlet swift
why even be warrior when priest/mage exist
scarlet swift
for 1 week? DK got my grip
past pivot
so whats a good m+ fury build rn?
M+ build in the guides.
warm crag
for 1 week? DK got my grip
same amount of dks were brought as fury
potent thicket
M+ build in the guides.
thanks
scarlet swift
frost is excelling, where nerf
lament hinge
where frost dk nerf
fringe ice
if they nerf fdk it's gonna be caster meta agai
lament hinge
nerf locks 2
fringe ice
frost mage and aug already meta
fading bane
Fury is getting nerfed before any of those specs
fringe ice
surely mage needed a buff
fading bane
u guys are cooked
scarlet swift
class is cooked, time to reroll god comp again
tawdry bane
You WILL play a caster and you WILL like it
hard widget
Surprised FDK isnt in there considering they're giga top aoe on Broodtwister (aka why we got nerfed 2ce)
scarlet swift
favoritism, cant have warriors be good for more than 2 weeks, thats blasphemy
disregard godcomp for 2 full seasons on mage/priest/aug though, they get a pass
fading sky
tawdry bane
DK is allowed to do damage, warrior is only allowed to tank
scarlet swift
nobody brings warrior tanks...
tribal mantle
Any fury warriors crafted the BiS weapon ?
tawdry bane
nobody brings warrior tanks...
Every single tank that exists is a warrior tank
Everybody tells me
scarlet swift
its been Bears or DH's for a whole DF expansion, with a spritz of Pally for a few weeks
lament hinge
so nerf fury so we can be at bottom of the barrel like in DF
scarlet swift
i would LOVE to be irrelevent for 2 expansions 🙂
The Warrior Within (the bottom of the charts)
tawdry bane
The war within is melee classes turning on each other when we should be directing our anger at the true enemy (mages)
lament hinge
better just wait for legion classic 😂
tawdry bane
fading bane
The Warrior Within (the bottom of the charts)
???
scarlet swift
at the rate of nerfing warriors and buffing everyone else, thats where we're going
#doomed
lament hinge
almost there
tawdry bane
Western civilization is falling you’re correct
clever belfry
i would LOVE to be irrelevent for 2 expansions 🙂
Fury Incarnate World Of Warcrat Patch 10.1.7
lament hinge
imo if warrior isnt doing great damage then theres really no reason to ever invite one since they dont bring anything else
warm crag
DK is allowed to do damage, warrior is only allowed to tank
are we paying attention you muppet man
summer crater
imo if warrior isnt doing great damage then theres really no reason to ever invi...
The only other thing I can think of is the very good self-heal
tawdry bane
are we paying attention you muppet man
yeah warrior is at the bottom there, duh
warm crag
real
tawdry bane
your eyes okay????
scarlet swift
You cannot base “everyone” on revvez
He’s probably getting every PI and plays 28hrs a day
lusty jungle
Revvez is 2pac of fury warriors?
scarlet swift
I see 3 frost there, where nerf
vestal root
Revvez is 2pac of fury warriors?
2pac and biggie at the same time
lament hinge
i dont think we should look at the raid and say yeah its broken because u have adds on most fights spawning when furys cds come up
tawdry bane
i hate this raid tbh
scarlet swift
Show me m+ stats not rwf raid
wicked turret
Hello everyone. Is there a weak aura that can help me keep track of Stay of Execution debuffs on my target?
tulip swallow
blizzard doesn't care about m+ tuning, only raid + pvp
wicked turret
Or marked for execution sorry
warm crag
Show me m+ stats not rwf raid
seems to be most represented in m+ in 10+ keys
clever belfry
seems to be most represented in m+ in 10+ keys
half of those are me cya later
mint abyss
Noob question because I just started wow but what can I do to the gear to get my dps up more? I am collecting tier set gears. What else?
I just learned I can enchant gear
icy badger
kinda noob question: When enraged do i wanna only hit one raging blow and bloodthirst or do i double raging blow? just confused if one raging blow is the crushing or both are. Trying to fix my dmg thanks in advance 🙂
serene vessel
Only 1 is crushinh
And it's not enrage that does it
It's specifically when you have RA, a rampage gives you a buff that makes ur next raging blow and bloodthirst empowered
dense elbow
Soon 
serene vessel
So basically the skinny is (there's some optimization to this but right now I wouldn't worry about it) press rampage then press crushing blow then press bloodbath
tawdry bane
Soon <:ratge:890357732543168594>
pls guys pls like living bomb you guys please
tulip swallow
Nerfs living bomb damage by 500%% -> "why isn't anyone playing living bomb"
serene vessel
Soon <:ratge:890357732543168594>
We just need about 20 more buffs and it'll be good
dense elbow
hard widget
I hope Fire mage never recovers
lusty jungle
Just like my stock portfolio fr
hard widget
Let em burn
rose blade
is this item good for me guys ?
serene vessel
If you take living bomb you neuter your ST dps by 20%. You simply can't play living bomb rn lol
tulip swallow
fire is the only mage spec I like, frost is perma cooked
sullen dove
There’s no way any ability in the game got a 90% nerf
serene vessel
Living bomb did
shrewd drum
wow what a surprise the devs favourite spec of all time getting the needed buffs to be meta once again
serene vessel
There's a reason you haven't seen any fire mages my man
serene vessel
wow what a surprise the devs favourite spec of all time getting the needed buffs...
It's still not even close to meta
shrewd drum
It's still not even close to meta
still
serene vessel
Do you guys just make shit up to complain?
shrewd drum
come on we all know that fire mage specifically is the devs favourite spec
shrewd drum
just see the recent past how many times it was THE BEST spec for mages
warm crag
what will make you content
shrewd drum
compare to arcane now
serene vessel
what will make you content
Me?
serene vessel
just see the recent past how many times it was THE BEST spec for mages
Personally I'm of the opinion that a spec's history should have no impact on balance on the current patch
tulip swallow
They've had design problems with avilities like living bomb before, I'm not really sure what made them think it would be a good idea this time
serene vessel
I mean tbh the bigger issue is ignite
I'd rather they scrap ignite
So that living bomb is playable
young swan
living bomb firelands room lower kara
shrewd drum
Personally I'm of the opinion that a spec's history should have no impact on bal...
well if mages like to play fire for almost all of WOWs existence I guess it's fine yes
young swan
warm crag
fire magician is a very cool class fantasy yes this is ture
tulip swallow
if they can balance things like blade flurry they can balance ignite, they just aren't interested for whatever reason
shrewd drum
arcane was good for like 4 times in 20 years
young swan
well if mages like to play fire for almost all of WOWs existence I guess it's fi...
mages like fire bc ur basically playing a melee spec with 0 downside
shrewd drum
mages like fire bc ur basically playing a melee spec with 0 downside
true
tulip swallow
True but BM hunter has been doing that forever too
young swan
yeah but fire is also cool
shrewd drum
True but BM hunter has been doing that forever too
lol BM
young swan
and bm is cringe
tulip swallow
Fire is 2 button spec in a way that feels good, frost is 2 button spec in a way that feels sad
serene vessel
tbh fire aint even close to a 2 button spec
young swan
isnt frost mage just ice lance merchant rn
serene vessel
yes
young swan
that sounds giga cringe
shrewd drum
see they made you like them!
tulip swallow
fire mage is sick, yeah
tulip steeple
My buddy is a fire mage and all he ever does is complain that he’s not number 1 damage biggest crier I know
shrewd drum
and the one way or another become the bst mage spec again
serene vessel
i mean in terms of raid performance fire is literally non existant rn
tulip swallow
even pre legion I just think the way fire did things is cool
young swan
fire is the only gigachad mage spec
i like arcane
serene vessel
Does it really matter much if ur spec isn't good for when the content is most relevant?
tulip swallow
I haven't tried new arcane, I played it a little bit in sepulcher but it was kind of cringe in real content
shrewd drum
Does it really matter much if ur spec isn't good for when the content is most re...
if you want to compete I guess or do competitive content
serene vessel
whatever u do don't spec fire, you'll play it, fall in love, then be sad that it's not good
shrewd drum
could you do high M+ as arcane in BFA? no fire rekt
vestal root
jokes on you i dont wanna play mage
shrewd drum
shadowlands?
serene vessel
shrewd drum
even worse
young swan
could you do high M+ as arcane in BFA? no fire rekt
quite literally only in s4
fire was ONLY GOOD
in s4
serene vessel
i think people overhype how often fire is strong tbh
young swan
they do, because when its good, its fucking broken
serene vessel
ok one of u xans needs to name change
vestal root
is MDI and giga high keys gonna be mainly magical again?
young swan
i was here first
shrewd drum
in BFA S1,S3 and S4 mage played fire only for m+
vestal root
ok one of u xans needs to name change
shrewd drum
S2 was oultaw simulator
fringe ice
is MDI and giga high keys gonna be mainly magical again?
of course lol
young swan
is xan a reference to an anime
no mine was from BC random name gen
warm crag
xantage
vestal root
is xan a reference to an anime
nah Unreal Tournament for me, Xan Kriegor
serene vessel
is MDI and giga high keys gonna be mainly magical again?
it probably wont be fire mage thats for sure
serene vessel
(burning crusade)
damn i thought u were using a birth control random generator
vestal root
evoker DH frost mage or something?
serene vessel
nah
young swan
in BFA S1,S3 and S4 mage played fire only for m+
yeah but u also just didnt play mage
except for s4
serene vessel
if i had to guess, based off what I've seen so far
I think ele shammy will actually be in the caster meta
vestal root
people keep telling me balance is shiet now
tulip swallow
game balance has been worse
serene vessel
aug/frost/ele I think will be the play
brittle snow
Fury any good in arenas?
young swan
Fury any good in arenas?
yeah it cranks
serene vessel
Fury any good in arenas?
i think its one of the best specs
tulip swallow
Shadowlands season 3 should not have gone live with destro/survival the way they were, and aug griefed like 50% of dragonflight
quartz tulip
we in peak form
young swan
I think frost dk + fury + 1 is possible for melee comp
vestal root
my fav thing about aug is the fact none of my friends want them in our parties because they believe most aug players are absolute griefers and cant play the game
steel shard
my fav thing about aug is the fact none of my friends want them in our parties b...
its true
no one is actualy having fun playing aug either
vestal root
i also heard that yeah, nobody finds aug fun actually
tulip swallow
aug is a red flag when dev is anywhere near playable
young swan
@vestal root sorry brother
vestal root
<@159738042859520001> sorry brother
WTF
young swan
serene vessel
I was of the belief that aug's original design intention was to be a spec for dad gamers to be able to get more involved in competitive end game content
vestal root
<:kekdog:1017188466871763014>
you poopy, change it to Xanzerk at least since thats my warrior
serene vessel
my friends disagree tho
vestal root
im very creative with my names
Xanzerk
Xanbanan
Xanzy
Xanlock
Xanny
tulip swallow
I was of the belief that aug's original design intention was to be a spec for da...
I don't think it was designed with the intent of tracking every players burst window and making sure they're buffed, but that's what it became instantly
vestal root
guess the classes
brittle snow
we in peak form
Bruh lol
tulip swallow
Aug in raid is like some aderall shit
serene vessel
I don't think it was designed with the intent of tracking every players burst wi...
yeah I think thats why they had to nerf the fuck out of it
steel shard
I was of the belief that aug's original design intention was to be a spec for da...
no thats devestation
young swan
im very creative with my names
Xanzerk
Xanbanan
Xanzy
Xanlock
Xanny
I've been trying to get just xan for so long
steel shard
aug is really complex at the high end
brittle snow
Maybe i'll give fury a go in arenas
young swan
unfortunately the fucker on tich still plays the game once a uear
brittle snow
or well farm that honor/conquest real fast
serene vessel
I think originally they wanted it to be a support spec so that lesser skilled players could get involved, but it became degenerate
vestal root
I've been trying to get just xan for so long
me2
I know Slayer is our go to but damn MThane is so much fun in lower keys/Delves lol
brittle snow
Slayer or Mountain thane for pvp?
young swan
Slayer or Mountain thane for pvp?
slayer
vestal root
Thunderblast is top3 aoe skills of all times
serene vessel
genuinely wish they made thane competitive because it looks fun
buoyant salmon
who the fuck is xanzerk
steel shard
genuinely wish they made thane competitive because it looks fun
casino hero talents
young swan
but i agree its cringe that people dont get to play what they want
serene vessel
i like pressing lots of buttons
young swan
or what looks fun to them
vestal root
who the fuck is xanzerk
bottom 3 warrior of all times hey hows it going
buoyant salmon
hi daddy
tulip swallow
if clap had no cooldown I would be more down with thane but I had one bad experience on the beta and that turned me off of it
serene vessel
i thought that their design intent with these hero specs was going to be making it so that they could better tune specs for certain content (like how fury's great performance in raid will be hurting it in m+ for instnace)
vestal root
CD doesnt bother me as i need to spam bloodthirst to get it again
young swan
if thunder blast reset the CD when it procced i would have 0 issues
spare steppe
I think frost dk + fury + 1 is possible for melee comp
Resto shaman vengeance frost fury and maybe something like sin?
tulip swallow
i thought that their design intent with these hero specs was going to be making ...
they wanted something they could point to that's shiny and new without just adding more shit to the real talent trees
vestal root
sometimes i have to raw thunderclap just to get the whirlwind buff again
tulip swallow
I don't think they're very concerned with the relative balancing of hero specs
buoyant salmon
I think frost dk + fury + 1 is possible for melee comp
been sayin that
serene vessel
Resto shaman vengeance frost fury and maybe something like sin?
i mean u definitely just get an aug, right?
young swan
Resto shaman vengeance frost fury and maybe something like sin?
I think something like guardian, prevoker cause its broken, frost, fury, enh/aug
serene vessel
I think if we're talking the best possible m+ comp, there's 0 reason to not include aug in the current dungeon pool
the limitation rn is staying alive
this is verymuch a healer oriented dungeon pool
buoyant salmon
i mean u definitely just get an aug, right?
depends on how the keys are tuned
if you cant do enough damage in time? no aug
if you lose to dying? yes aug
summer crater
Yes
buoyant salmon
i lagged
serene vessel
oh
sleek nexus
looked laggy
buoyant salmon
the limitation rn is staying alive
literally no way to tell that 20 ilvls below max
serene vessel
if you lose to dying? yes aug
the way things are scaling its looking like it'll be dying
serene vessel
literally no way to tell that 20 ilvls below max
for sure, just saying best guess
young swan
I think something like guardian, prevoker cause its broken, frost, fury, enh/aug
i amended it
theres just no world where u dont play a prevoker in its current state
buoyant salmon
the way things are scaling its looking like it'll be dying
probably yeah
serene vessel
i havent played with a prevoker rn so i cant comment
young swan
^
serene vessel
but i dont think theres a world where you dont get shammy buff
shammy buff is insane
buoyant salmon
issue with rsham is they suck at living
young swan
u just funnel externals into the enh
buoyant salmon
want enhance and a diff healer that can external the shaman dps
serene vessel
yeah which is why I think you run enh
buoyant salmon
yeah
serene vessel
which ironically is why I think fury wont see much play
vestal root
evoker kinda gucci for the utility and CC
buoyant salmon
or guardian
young swan
rdruid bc vers buff is nasty
just play guardian
serene vessel
if prevoker is as good as you say
buoyant salmon
or pwar different dps
summer lion
I just got a gear-a-rang and the mount from a stonevault and apparently the quest consumes the trinket without a prompt
serene vessel
I think you play enh fdk aug
buoyant salmon
prevoker is fucking disgusting
serene vessel
enh fdk aug + prevoker and guardian then probs
serene vessel
losing attack power buff but yolo
serene vessel
im gonna be honest i dont see whats wrong with this
my problem with it is why not just take enh instead of fury and keept he aug
vestal root
rogues are a nono`?
buoyant salmon
if prevoker nerf probably pwar rdruid
young swan
my problem with it is why not just take enh instead of fury and keept he aug
dont need the defensive value and its cringe
and stupid
fuck aug
serene vessel
ur not wrong there
sage cloak
question
serene vessel
but with infinite scaling content u eventually need the defensive value
young swan
aug in dungeons poopoo
serene vessel
also dont forget more defensive value means morew dps bc ur healer can dps more
but i dont know how good prevoker dps is
young swan
but with infinite scaling content u eventually need the defensive value
but then u just reach a point where u need a diff damage profile
cause u cant kill the right things fast enough
serene vessel
enh prio damage is fuckin nutty tho
sage cloak
do we still use ascendance as our imbellishment in mythic +
serene vessel
enh damage as a whole is just kinda insane if rng is on their side
young swan
enh is ridiculous
serene vessel
i did a key with a friend who plays enh, and i dont know what it was but she got so lucky with procs i guess she did 2 mil on a boss
i was liek oh ok
why am i playing fury
(obviously this was a lower key so it was inflated b/c of lust but still)(
spare steppe
I think if we're talking the best possible m+ comp, there's 0 reason to not incl...
Yeah that’s 100% true. Guardian works well too with vers buff and Druids being awesome
jolly mist
is any1 else only seeing the tww dungeons in premade?
i legit dont see anything else
for days now
vestal root
enh is ridiculous
tell that to my friend who keeps downplaying that spec
young swan
tell ur friend they're a clown
vestal root
i tell them worse things than that
tidal kindle
I think something like guardian, prevoker cause its broken, frost, fury, enh/aug
Protw pres dk boomie (.5 patch) mage
vestal root
are ferals actually that bad or am i just getting complete dogwater ferals in my pugs?
serene vessel
i think feral got gutted
buoyant salmon
are ferals actually that bad or am i just getting complete dogwater ferals in my...
both
sage cloak
Question bois! Apologies if it has been asked before. but these 2 talents. is it basically a preference when it comes to mythic +/raiding? I know its probably to early to say, but ive seen a mix of warriors run either
knotty locust
What % haste is ideal before it starts to fall off compared to vers
sullen dove
Brutal finish is more aoe and the other one is more st
tho the other one doesn’t really become “bad” until super high target counts
sage cloak
Brutal finish is more aoe and the other one is more st
Perfect. thank u!
knotty locust
I'm sitting at 17% Haste 40% mastery 6% vers, trying to figure out what missive to put on my crafted wep
sage cloak
Ahh i see
sullen dove
BF prolly still way stronger on like 3-5 target tho just the other one still nice for boss dmg and shit in dungeons
lyric saddle
I'm sitting at 17% Haste 40% mastery 6% vers, trying to figure out what missive ...
You can always sim yourself
sullen dove
but like full pad trash packs with 15 mobs maybe less likely to be valuable
sage cloak
BF prolly still way stronger on like 3-5 target tho just the other one still nic...
Noted. thank u!
sage cloak
but like full pad trash packs with 15 mobs maybe less likely to be valuable
aight!
lyric saddle
But imo i will take feverflare
fading bane
u can just recraft it later
feverflare is the safe play
maybe u swap to mast vers late into the tier
serene vessel
bro am i missing something? Brann as a healer still absolutely sucks dick
fading bane
brann is kinda ass atm
sage cloak
BF prolly still way stronger on like 3-5 target tho just the other one still nic...
Thank u so much 😄 Ill try both! But i could basically come down to preference ? unless very high target count
upbeat plume
what level of delve?
fading bane
8
spare steppe
Brann is great as a healer
upbeat plume
er
spare steppe
You need to chain the hot
slate escarp
For m+ we going all in mastery on every slot we can find right?
I just sim ST also for m+?
upbeat plume
I mean ive been soloing 8s since last week lol they arent bad after the tuning
sullen dove
Thank u so much 😄 Ill try both! But i could basically come down to preference ?...
yea dont matter much dont think
prime wind
Yo guys, with treacherous transmitter do you start your rotation with normals cds like you would, or first proc the trinket get the buff and then start rotation?
sage cloak
yea dont matter much dont think
aight!
sullen dove
Yo guys, with treacherous transmitter do you start your rotation with normals cd...
ideally get the buff b4 u do all your damage in the like major 10 second window of your cds..
but you can like prepop trinket at like 10 seconds on pull
to fully see what task u have
fading bane
Yo guys, with treacherous transmitter do you start your rotation with normals cd...
use it prepull, pick up right before cds
sullen dove
then pick it up at like 1 sec or when boss comes in
then yea gives you some time b4 every cd set to try and see which it is and where you'd have to stand
prime wind
but you can like prepop trinket at like 10 seconds on pull
sounds like a great idea, like font i guess?
prime wind
got it, thanks
topaz wolf
Quick, what's our best food consumable for raid?
fading bane
feast > beledar's
eager thorn
well the sushi feast > beledars
warm crag
@oblique trail joined my key, played anger management and did 400k single target with lust what the fuck?
eager thorn
the feast
ye but ive never seen any1 use that feast
and the others arent better than beledars id assume
midnight jackal
feasts are super expensive right now so unless you are cutting edge, that's probably why you haven'T seem them much
eager thorn
no i mean the sushi special feast in particular
ppl drop the other ones all the time
like the midnight/day one
i just make hearty beledars tho since its same stats as sushi special + cheaper + persists
tidal kindle
onyx widget
Hello team, what wep enchant for m+ ? seeing diffrent once all over xd
fading bane
<a:COGGERS:1193555019908268062>
fuck this key, never neck
eager thorn
what dps are people averaging at end of higher m+ dungeons
warm crag
1-2 million dps
warm crag
with aug ye
fading bane
think i hit 2m with aug
eager thorn
I’m normally around like 1m idk how ppl are juicing that much
royal karma
think i hit 2m with aug
Gs?
fading bane
621
royal karma
I’m normally around like 1m idk how ppl are juicing that much
Same
eager thorn
Think I’m like 611
Was hoping id be able to just get 636 wep but m+ seems so fked rn
Ppl hella toxic and elitist it seems
warm crag
obtain men who you are considered friendly with and send keys
tidal kindle
fuck this key, never neck
Fuck neck want trink
eager thorn
Ye my tank friend on holiday rn so have to pug
fading bane
Fuck neck want trink
eager thorn
And guild seems to not want to pug outside friendship groups so I’m stuck in hell
tidal kindle
I am raid loot oppressed
eager thorn
I wish i never got this trink
royal karma
You Play this only in raid Right ?
tidal kindle
Beater
eager thorn
The strength is nice but so jarring to use
fading bane
and keys
tidal kindle
eager thorn
Mark of khardros
royal karma
I have the Same trinket Like u but only in 616
royal karma
Mark of khardros
Y
eager thorn
Ngl as soon as i get mark/skarm shard im swapping off of the kyveza trink
Minigame is more complicated than our rot
fading bane
ritual knife until i get sac
royal karma
What is sac Sry for ask
fading bane
arakara
royal karma
Ah ty
eager thorn
+10 gamer
spare steppe
this is without todays runs
What’s your gear to pull that off??
royal karma
What’s your gear to pull that off??
621
eager thorn
What was the 9 run
fading bane
just some gamers gaming
rocky wharf
wjhat time brewfest speech goes out? thoughtit was 6pm server time
mint abyss
Flask of Alchemical Chaos or Tempered Mastery?
eager thorn
Alch chaos
royal karma
This makes me feel much better about myself
Same her
eager thorn
just some gamers gaming
O bloom gaming
warm crag
compact siren
mint abyss
Algari Mana oil or Ironclaw Whetstone?
fading bane
eager thorn
Algari Mana oil or Ironclaw Whetstone?
oblique trail
@fading bane go play AM in a key NOW
Swear it goes hard
Bladestorm for every single Mistcaller clone 📈
fading bane
lemem just spec arms before i play AM
granite oar
Lads are we using dragon roar before we blade storm?
oblique trail
yes
thick kayak
does odyn's fury count as a bleed
warm crag
<@288719383046651907> go play AM in a key NOW
this guy was yelling at me and spitting at me in the key is this behaviour permitted as a stormforged?
oblique trail
does odyn's fury count as a bleed
It does
verbal vortex
Spear Slayer in keys?
hardy cargo
is it the only bleed we have that roar would buff
cold steel hot blood as well
sullen dove
thick kayak
covert blaze
Swear it goes hard
leak talents
ive been cooking m+ talents and i burn the food every time
woeful hazel
Are there any quick and easy to get 2H that aren’t dog shit for a fresh 80?
winter shoal
Are there any quick and easy to get 2H that aren’t dog shit for a fresh 80?
Can craft a 590 one by flying through the orbs to get weathered crests
spark frigate
This might be a dumb question but I’m new to retail. Does WW go off what’s in range of your target ?
winter shoal
Do you mean the cleaving from imp ww?
That's based on your position, not your target's
spark frigate
Yea
winter shoal
Same goes for sweeping strikes
spark frigate
Awesome. Thanks.
woeful hazel
Thank you bigbowwl - is there anything I can get from a rare or can I craft 2 of the same 2H ?
winter shoal
Can craft two 2hs
fickle bluff
you can craft 590 in every slot
trail bane
winter shoal
Greg can you leak the AM build for us since Banezi is donowalling
warm crag
are you stupid
trail bane
Maybe, tell me how this time
oblique trail
leak talents
Legit just this
I was only testing AM for funny reasons
And forgot to swap
clever belfry
are u dense brother
tidal kindle
I agree
winter shoal
Legit just this
No uproar and FE instead of PE? This guy is trolling
trail bane
Maybe, tell me how i am dense this time brother
tidal kindle
The bourgeousie wizards are oppressing the hardworking warrior proletariat once again
Seize the means of patch production!
summer quail
Maybe, tell me how i am dense this time brother
sim dps doesn't equal raid dps
tidal kindle
woeful hazel
Sorry last question - what weapon do I want to craft XD
tidal kindle
Whomst be this guy
winter shoal
Sorry last question - what weapon do I want to craft XD
They're all the same I think so just whatever is cheapest
tidal kindle
Eu crossover?
winter shoal
Whomst be this guy
Guy from vodka innit
warm crag
Whomst be this guy
is he european?
trail bane
Ok ill fix it with raid numbers, its even worse
gilded rivet
Hey everyone, I am not a fury main but I’m asking on behalf of a guildie. He is fury, and on wowanalyzer it says he is not using rampage enough. Where does rampage come in the rotation because Wowhead says it’s pretty low?
winter shoal
Hey everyone, I am not a fury main but I’m asking on behalf of a guildie. He is ...
Wowanalyzer isn't real for fury
Hasn't been updated since like WoD
trail bane
Mythic Sikran (ST dps)
gilded rivet
Wowanalyzer isn't real for fury
Well that makes a LOT more sense. Is there a recommendation for how to analyze his logs to get some constructive feedback?
waxen wave
Well that makes a LOT more sense. Is there a recommendation for how to analyze h...
Log review after using the wowhead rotation for a bit
gilded rivet
<#449510248579858432>
I will submit, thank you!
warm crag
Mythic Sikran (ST dps)
ya ok u are still the most outrageously broken spec on 7/9 bosses in the raid
it is fine that you are not the master of all trades
trail bane
And Frost is an outrageously broken spec on single target by the same logic. Why are they getting buffed in single target?
trail bane
LIke, i dont mind fury not getting buffed. I mind Frost getting buffed.
restive peak
Blizz doesn't balance around ST because about 90% of the game isn't ST
And warriors have arms which is mid/upper mid
tidal kindle
ya ok u are still the most outrageously broken spec on 7/9 bosses in the raid
There's 9 bosses in the raid?
restive peak
I wish we had better ST as well, but that's the reason
trail bane
If you are going to use the argument that benched specs should get buffed, arent they missing like 20 specs in the buffs?
restive peak
Honestly wish they'd kill powerful enrage and buff our ST
trail bane
No way of looking at it does it make sense to buff frosts single target.
warm crag
There ARE 9 bosses in the raid
never wrong
buoyant salmon
well they shouldve nerfed ice lance by like 5% imo
dusk knot
Hello, does rotation changes with 4 piece ? blood bath get more prio now ?
buoyant salmon
glacial spike and ray sucked dick
winter shoal
Hello, does rotation changes with 4 piece ? blood bath get more prio now ?
Same rotation
wheat estuary
#buff thane
trail bane
And warriors have arms which is mid/upper mid
And mages have Arcane and fire, which are both around the same as frost. While also being stronger than 70% of all other specs in single target.
dusk knot
Same rotation
okok
buoyant salmon
And mages have Arcane and fire, which are both around the same as frost. While a...
lol
trail bane
And im not saying "Waah frost is better than fury"
restive peak
You kind of are
trail bane
Im saying it makes no sense to buff frosts single target
restive peak
Specs have identities, frosts has been ST for a long time w glacial spike
tidal kindle
And none of the 3 mage specs can do what fury can do
Arcane can
trail bane
Its like the devs are cutting the head of a chicken and letting it run on a checkered floor with lables of the different specs on it. And then buff whatever spec it falls over on
restive peak
And our identity has always been VERY strong ST/AOE trade off for lower ST at top end
tidal kindle
Cuz fury/dk exist
wheat estuary
@edgy widget whens the thane buff
restive peak
Yeah but we can just do it
tidal kindle
Yah
buoyant salmon
so you would have to compensation nerf aoe/meat cleaver
winter shoal
<@61282228017041408> whens the thane buff
Don't do this bud
restive peak
Like we literally just go "alright I got this" and delete shit immediately
buoyant salmon
<@61282228017041408> whens the thane buff
they just got buffed
restive peak
Tbh it was fun last night, on our rash kill 3 people got webbed as adds came out
cedar tusk
Do I have to switch to arms to do half decent dps as warrior now? Fury feels bit weak now post nerf :/
trail bane
Buffing warlock would have made more sense than buffing frost
restive peak
and I was like yeah, I got this
tidal kindle
I guarantee you fury is not weak
By any metric
For 7/9 bosses in this raid
And mythic plus
And open world
And pvp
winter shoal
Do I have to switch to arms to do half decent dps as warrior now? Fury feels bit...
Fury is better than arms on almost every fight, arms is only very slightly ahead on pure ST (just sikran and kyveza) if both are played correctly - that said, arms is also strong
restive peak
Fury is very strong overall, I just would love a bit better ST/bit lower AOE, but I'm also very happy with our strength
cedar tusk
I mean ST sorry.
upbeat plume
I mean this raid is very heavy with fights that require aoe burst damage
tidal kindle
I mean I was #5 on sikran last night, and noone in my guild is bad
Week 1 gear diffed surely
upbeat plume
and right now fury is king by a mile in raid in that aspect
restive peak
xD
winter shoal
I mean I was #5 on sikran last night, and noone in my guild is bad
Didn't you 
that Sikran tho
tidal kindle
I mean ST sorry.
Fury isn't weak ST, but arms is better - yes
restive peak
Actually our raid ilvl average is almost where Method is
restive peak
Didn't you <:gajeel:1156085588806598676> that Sikran tho
Turned into a 98, which is weird at r3, but yeah
Very close
Considering I got 2 of the clone drops
winter shoal
Large
sullen dove
not if theres only 100 ppl that did it
tidal kindle
Spymasters?
Yeah...
A wizard with spymasters and without
Same ilvl
Is like
5% diff
sullen dove
that is horrifying
winter shoal
Who wants to carry me through 9s so I can craft my 636 weapon
sullen dove
emote
trail bane
Only a real chad can be 20% behind other people on a 99% log and say its fine :D
sullen dove
tidal kindle
Only a real chad can be 20% behind other people on a 99% log and say its fine :D
Fury is fine
spark mulch
hi guys, pretty new to retail and transmogs .. my biggest dream in classic was the Thunderfury of course. It is hard to farm it here in retail for transmog ? Like can I just solo run MC ? or do i need a full group cuz solo dropchance is low ?
tidal kindle
You want to be sad
restive peak
LOLLL
tidal kindle
Look at boomie
storm lantern
7 of the 8 fights is multitarget, where Fury thrives
upbeat plume
oof
restive peak
Dude that poor boomie is dog
And yeah WW is giga strong but like....noone wants them for other reasons
cedar tusk
Hmm still below 600, so that doesn't help gearwise. But feels like so much less DPS, despite the Sims are going up. I'm missing somewhere 200k on ST :/
vale dove
trail bane
Thats not Mythic Sikran
winter shoal
And yeah WW is giga strong but like....noone wants them for other reasons
Our WW is also a giga gamer, he gaps everyone on every fight
tidal kindle
Fury is fine
This was
Sludgefist too
Arms 100= warlock 1
Warlock 10*
Everyone gets their turn
(Except mages)
It's always mages turn
But even then, fight design matters more than ST sims
trail bane
Which is why its infuriating that they are getting their frost single target buffed. When frost single target is already really good.
tidal kindle
But even then, fight design matters more than ST sims
.
winter shoal
Which is why its infuriating that they are getting their frost single target buf...
How many frost mages are being played on mythic Kyveza rn vs warriors
warm crag
frost is so good they bring literally zero to princess thoughts
trail bane
0 but thats irrelevant
winter shoal
warm crag
might still swap to it
cedar tusk
How so?
tidal kindle
0 but thats irrelevant
Irrelevant how
trail bane
Destruction is so good they literally bring zero to princess, why arent they buffed Destro?
next canopy
ok arms execute is crazyyyyyy messing around with arms and that feels good
open prairie
dh has unsurprisingly crept up again
trail bane
Because the question isnt wether or not frost is good enough to bring to the world first race. The question is why it would be good to buff frosts single target.
open prairie
with bugfixes
but ngl playing dh on that first boss
with stun webs
looks tumor inducing
trail bane
Liquid is bringing 0 furys to princess, should we get buffed? No we are great at all the bosses that needs cleave.
warm crag
this is my new opener
trail bane
The reason frost isnt being brought to princess isnt "frost is bad" its "arcane is really good"
So buffing frost is dumb
sullen dove
bro is so fixated on a spec no one is playing
covert blaze
Sw <:OMEGA:1215854665434923039> rdish
real
cedar tusk
Easier to play in current tier, arms or fury? Discuss 🍿
sullen dove
behind dev u mean
winter shoal
Idk never played it
sullen dove
bm hunter at least has multiple buttons
winter shoal
Or BM for that matter
sullen dove
dev is 2 buttons
winter shoal
I'm just
sullen dove
on a good day
winter shoal
Arms is also easy though so idk can't really go wrong
outer umbra
i play fury for 2 reasons
1 simplicity
2 rizz
sullen dove
@young swan did vro rly change ur name cause one dude in here happened to have the same name
w shid tho
full government name
open prairie
ret pally
sullen dove
👑 🙇♂️
open prairie
rogue 
sullen dove
aug xdd
trail bane
Did anyone say frost is oppressive?
sullen dove
garbage mickey mouse spec
cedar tusk
I really loved my warrior in the past, wanted to play again. But it feels ugh. Have to check what I'm doing wrong haha 🤣
tidal kindle
Your argument implies it
trail bane
No it doesnt
My argument implies, and explicitly states. That frost single target is fine, it doesnt need a buff.
But its still getting buffed.
winter shoal
I really loved my warrior in the past, wanted to play again. But it feels ugh. H...
Wowhead guides are goated, and #449510248579858432 might be able to help as well
tidal kindle
With 9 logs
cedar tusk
Wowhead guides are goated, and <#449510248579858432> might be able to help as we...
What do you mean with goated?
winter shoal
Good
open prairie
bm that high on st is gross
winter shoal
American zoomer slang
cedar tusk
Ah thank you
open prairie
for a spec that loses nothing to move for mechanic positioning
trail bane
It is firmly middle of the pack
Ok, then lets use the middle of the pack as a measuring stick.
Why arent they buffing Demo?
Why arent they buffing Outlaw?
Why arent they buffing Havoc?
They are all below frost.
tidal kindle
You don't play demo for ST
You don't play outlaw for ST
You don't play havoc for ST
trail bane
You dont play frost for ST
trail bane
Whats your point
trail bane
Because buffing frosts single target, which is already fine. Is dumb.
tidal kindle
For being an ST spec
sullen dove
if its the only thing theyre capable of
and they're not at the top
theyre doo doo dogshit
trail bane
Its not a single target spec, all their dmg cleaves on another target.
open prairie
Its not a single target spec, all their dmg cleaves on another target.
same for all 3 rogue ones
XDDD
open prairie
“why fury nerf” this channel a few days ago
trail bane
Yea Broodtwister has a ton of 2 target cleave. Great example
restive peak
I'm here to agree; buff fury by 40%
trail bane
I am
restive peak
Start the petition
sullen dove
news to us
cedar tusk
How do you SIM a fight like silken court or ovi. Or the 2nd one. Hectic add cleave?
open prairie
also wtf is up with ret paladins
sullen dove
still bootycheeks it seems
open prairie
why do most of them compete with tanks on st
inner zinc
Fury zugs gud. Its all i worry about
sullen dove
peculiar
frosty spade
Best Embellishments for war fury M+?
restive peak
Brood has almost zero 2 target, what are you talking about
sullen dove
well he just said cleave before and i dont think specified two target till after
frosty spade
I want to create my first ornament for my fury warrior, which one do you recommend?
manic spindle
I'm confused, 3 graphs, fury on top, fury worse, fury mid
sullen dove
but if two target there u go
open prairie
I'm confused, 3 graphs, fury on top, fury worse, fury mid
different bosses
dire badge
skill issue
tender sky
I'm confused, 3 graphs, fury on top, fury worse, fury mid
Yeah our damage profile do be like that…aoe vs st vs add cleave
open prairie
ngl
manic spindle
I was toggling back and forth depending on fights
open prairie
i wanted to experiment with hero track bulwark of azzinoth
manic spindle
Maybe it remembers
open prairie
so opened my raid cache as prot
warm crag
i do love the sneaky choice earlier to pick sikran which is a fight that pushes you back every 90 seconds
trail bane
Its not a single target spec, all their dmg cleaves on another target.
No i said "all their dmg cleaves on another target" as in it hits 2 targets.
sullen dove
ok sure ig it can be taken that way
point is
they still do less 2target dmg than fury does
somehow
this is dmg to bosses on silken
last was just all dmg
but got more specific
oblique trail
No i said "all their dmg cleaves on another target" as in it hits 2 targets.
I'm just jumping into the convo but isn't this literally what we do as Fury but lose nothing to cleave onto other targets too, while doing our ST
open prairie
is that post enh nerfs
sullen dove
complaint just started that frost st sim is higher than fury and got nerfed. even tho its like... in the middle and still sucks
and when we say fury does insane aoe for little st loss we rip out the "but frost cleaves too"
and for nothing at all it seems
trail bane
They really dont.
What they do less than fury is burst dmg. And Silken court has both burst aoe (with more than 2 targets) and burst single target (dps phase after Bettle-guy charges).
Which is why they are performing worse than fury
sullen dove
ok so in a magical theoretical world where a boss is two target dummies with no burn phases
frost would be better
good thing that applies nowhere in the current content thats avail
delicate yacht
Fury performance on queen ansurek is why it was nerfed , in preparation for rwf prog
trail bane
You're right. There is no boss in the current raid that perfectly fits frosts dps profile, so lets just buff them until they are so good at something that isnt their dps profile that they are brought anyway.
All while ignoring the fact that the "but they can swap to arms" argument is never used to justify why a mage spec isnt buffed.
And also ignoring the fact that there are plenty of other specs that arent seeing much play and they arent being buffed either.
Frost is a clear exception that if they arent brought to the world first they must be buffed. A privilege that other specs and classes do not have.
open prairie
Fury performance on queen ansurek is why it was nerfed , in preparation for rwf ...
tbh most endbosses tend to be good for fury design
also rally
sullen dove
like itd b more cringe if a higher performer was buffed sure, but frost is not that good in any content that warrants being this upset over its buff
winter shoal
also rally
Rally is a fake raid cd
open prairie
arcane got nerfed twice btw
sullen dove
there are certain specs that trade around the limelight patch by patch, like druid dps is kinda dead on arrival for a few months when it was pretty good throughout last xpac
sullen dove
warrior is now one of the top performers not that it wasnt before but to the point of stacking multiple
tidal kindle
Or the 2t boss
In practice
So idk where you're getting
That it does translate in practice, therefore not warranting a buff
hard widget
This does not translate
Kekw we're at boomie levels 😂
tidal kindle
Because end of the day, their goal is to make players play the game
trail bane
This does not translate
Yes it does
tender sky
To the ST boss
Penultimate and final boss are not ST though
sullen dove
aug has had it so hard
trail bane
Fury is at the bottm. Frost is in the middle.
sullen dove
in raid
tender sky
is that aug needs to be buffed
I wish I had ban power
trail bane
Oh yea its not a direct translation
tidal kindle
So hear me out
trail bane
But as you can see fury is not 2nd last on the sim stack either
tidal kindle
Maybe they buffed it by just a little bit
Just a wee bit
To bring it up to parity
And encourage more frosties to play it
trail bane
So perhaps its not only frost that doesnt translate from sims to reality
So why are we only applying that for them?
tidal kindle
Yes
hard widget
Bro just gimme a raid where we dont have perfect pad so we dont get nerfed in m+ 🙂
winter shoal
Bro just gimme a raid where we dont have perfect pad so we dont get nerfed in m+...
I feel this in my soul
tidal kindle
So why are we only applying that for them?
Because everyone is playing fury
No one is playing frost
stable yarrow
Does smf work in tww or is it still awful
hard widget
Does smf work in tww or is it still awful
Awful
stable yarrow
sadge
trail bane
Thats not true at all.
Frost is being played, its just not the meta frost spec.
open prairie
Because end of the day, their goal is to make players play the game
so nerf aug
got it
trail bane
If the reason frost is getting buffs is "frost isnt being played" then demo and survival should also be buffed. They are played even less
wanton cliff
Ive been surprised on how little frost dks /augs ive seen in keys
open prairie
upbeat sentinel
They don’t have to play breath anymore. They also don’t have to play shattering blade which was an annoying talent
open prairie
yeah i mean
winter shoal
I mean nobody HAS to play anything
Breath is just better for raid and for high keys innit
open prairie
thats how you make frost dk players fall off a cliff
is make breath the highest sim build
upbeat sentinel
I mean nobody HAS to play anything
When I say “don’t have to play shattering blade”, I mean “it’s literally a dps loss to take the talent vs literally not using the point”
upbeat sentinel
Rider is close enough to DB that it doesn’t matter in N and H
And won’t matter in M once more gear is out
Rider is more fun except for 1rune oblits with KM feeling like you just snorted a line
wanton cliff
Lvled a fdk first , found it boring so went back to my roots 
winter shoal
Fdk is fun until you run out of runes and RP and just have to stand there thinking about all your mistakes
winter shoal
I really liked enhance in like s2 of df when they got their rework
upbeat sentinel
Yeah it’s uh
You either play perfect or lay on the ground
Rider DK probably has one of the best raid kits
AMS breaking all DOTs, and Death’s Advance being upgraded to break roots
open prairie
was that from rider or just talents
wanton cliff
Rider unholy pvp is fun as hell tho
open prairie
funny take to tell people is
upbeat sentinel
was that from rider or just talents
From rider
open prairie
ams is better than cloak of shadows
upbeat sentinel
The choice node that turns DA into horse makes it break roots
upbeat sentinel
It notably does not make you immune to roots though, only does an initial break
You can be rooted again while on horse
sullen dove
If the reason frost is getting buffs is "frost isnt being played" then demo and ...
Isn’t survival the best hunter spec
upbeat sentinel
But no raid boss roots you twice in 10 seconds
narrow steppe
I have a question about the bladestorm cdr from slayer, am i just sending bs while enraged whenever its off cd unless other stuff is less then 10s away? I find it off cd alone often in m+
open prairie
same as pally one i think
