beff jezos
#fury
bitter palm
buoyant salmon
u guys are padding sims
bitter palm
twitch is so shit
buoyant salmon
how r u higher than me
fading bane
idek where i find this
fading bane
there was some github link
buoyant salmon
tmy is the goat
bitter palm
mf kept coming to arms channel to post his sim
and each time he increased his bsl by 5%
buoyant salmon
bitter palm
on his 19 full bis warriors
buoyant salmon
wait i should sim r3 enchants
molten spire
Is the sikran tinkret really that bad?
bitter palm
hooly u are socketed
buoyant salmon
cant buy them though
buoyant salmon
i still havent taken my vault
bitter palm
im so broke its crazy
buoyant salmon
its 6 ilvls on belt, a pure st trinket, or a sockey
bitter palm
3 days ago had to vendor gear pieces to repair
wicked dew
Just making sure, this is best for ST right? Stat proc better for M+?
fading bane
its 6 ilvls on belt, a pure st trinket, or a sockey
socket angle
bitter palm
socket y
bitter palm
Just making sure, this is best for ST right? Stat proc better for M+?
i will play this in all content
st matters more
wicked dew
i will play this in all content
Would you still if you never raided?
bitter palm
yes
buoyant salmon
unfortch i am a tauren
wicked dew
cool, thank you
wild mural
So many sim padders
young swan
Everyone's a beater man
what
tidal kindle
Am I the only one loot oppressed
wild mural
I do alright with my shit simming warrior
wild mural
(Ignore brood)
tidal kindle
Which lord
tidal kindle
eternal sundial
Gajeel?
bitter palm
hoooly lore?
wild mural
I only worship goth night elf mommies
grizzled lantern
Hello everyone! How do I craft a weapon for pve?
wicked dew
Does double Authority of the Depths stack or just increases the speed of application?
grizzled lantern
Like what mats do I need?
bitter palm
I only worship goth night elf mommies
fading bane
wild mural
He hitting the nae nae
tidal kindle
hoooly lore?
Hinduism has like 400 gods
boreal nexus
Is there any way to make the effect from treachourous transmitter more obvious? Its impossible to see on broodtwister
I have a WA telling me which task but it doesnt help me find it at all
half cargo
Hinduism has like 400 gods
Is Sikhism related? Or that more towards Buddhism?
Probably not the appropriate place to ask but figured I could get a eli5 or tldr before I really delve into it seeing it was brought up
reef prairie
Hey everyone! Is there a certain rotation guide you would recommend? A content maker you would suggest? The ones I've found on YouTube all seem to be slightly different from each other. I'd like to pick one and follow their lead. Even if it's just a text of the rotation
storm rune
The rotation vaguely changed every 2 days for like 2 weeks, YouTube guides are out of date the second they're posted
reef prairie
Ok that's good info. Is there relevant info you could point me towards?
storm rune
Wowhead/icyveins, maxroll maybe? They're a bit slower and have some outright wrong info, but their presentation is immaculate
tidal kindle
Is Sikhism related? Or that more towards Buddhism?
Honestly
I am a little ashamed to admit I do not know
reef prairie
Ok I've used wowhead before but I was wondering if it might be outdated. I'll keep to wowhead then! Thanks
half cargo
I am a little ashamed to admit I do not know
That’s fair, I’ve recently embraced a new path and lack knowledge myself. All in the journey
cedar schooner
hows the TW madness trink for us?
reef prairie
@cedar schooner I was wondering the same thing
cedar schooner
I just got it, and peeps asking if i need lol.
reef prairie
I got it on hero track. Unfortunately I'm a super noob and don't know how to sim things
sterile stratus
I got it on hero track. Unfortunately I'm a super noob and don't know how to sim...
simulation craft addon
once installed type /simc in game
Copy what pops up in window
then paste it in here: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear
tada
reef prairie
Ok I'll try it on my computer! Thank you
cunning igloo
this is driving me nuts but sometimes like maybe 1% of the time I rampage it doesnt empower my raging blow or bloodthirst, is anyone else experiencing this?
specifically happening to me on Heroic Ansurek right now all night
worthy mountain
A few times on Queen last night too
cunning igloo
oh shit so if she parries rampage we dont have empowerments?
thats fucking nuts lol that could be it though
agile crystal
How does Bloodcraze change your rotation? At what percent do i use bloodthirst?
Same question with slaughtering strikes
gilded pawn
Slaughter doesn’t matter
dense elbow
Ya send BT after your RB, as per usual
SS is just a passive
thorny zinc
Can someone reply to this to ping me? About to pull - but does Bladestorm prevent you from getting pulled in intermission on Queen?
agile crystal
Ya send BT after your RB, as per usual
SS is just a passive
So just at 15?
dense elbow
So just at 15?
To fill as your rotation requires
agile crystal
Ty 🙂
And with Marked for execution, do i wait for 3 stacks, or do i just send whenever sudden death procs?
chrome relic
at least 2 stacks
dense elbow
I heard holding for 3 is optimal, with the other execute rules still being in effect
thorny zinc
But does Bladestorm prevent you from getting pulled in intermission on Queen?
agile crystal
But does Bladestorm prevent you from getting pulled in intermission on Queen?
I mean, it makes you immune to cc
But idk if that counts as cc
thorny zinc
yeah me neither, that's why I'm asking
dense elbow
Only one way to find out, godspeed
thorny zinc
lol
queen solstice
how does our rotation change when you have 4 set i tried to check wowhead but they had no info really
dense elbow
Nothing changes, as it ain't worth playing around
valid pulsar
how does our rotation change when you have 4 set i tried to check wowhead but th...
i dont think it changes at all but i could be wrong
queen solstice
thanks for the nerfs blizz
dense elbow
Our burst intervals still strong, so as long the raid keeps the spawns lined up for us - we will do fine 
valid pulsar
is it worth switching to arms for the two st bosses
queen solstice
oh im not really mad about the raid damage
valid pulsar
i dont like arms too much
young swan
m+ is fine
dense elbow
M+ dam is alright, just prio target and you bring decent value
clever belfry
Fric <@173741974493462528>
where is ur warrior buddy
dense elbow
I do miss having awesome burst tho 
tidal kindle
where is ur warrior buddy
buoyant salmon
95 for rank 2 get owned lol
dense elbow
Not even 99
tidal kindle
95 for rank 2 get owned lol
I only take opinions of week 1 aotcers
wanton mirage
that befouled needle do some dmg
balmy shore
do u guys stack up where the boss is gonna come back on first boss mythic
dense elbow
Just don't
clever belfry
Gg
dense elbow
Indeed, 100% gear diff, loot oppressed, lootjail fbm
clever belfry
if youre below 620 why play
tidal kindle
Now you get it
But onG if I had even m0 skarm shard
IT's free
Free for day 3 rash xdd
summer crater
If I wasn't loot oppressed
Loved using my weekly vault on a socket item
tidal kindle
sullen tendon
@edgy widget why does the raid single target talent import from the wowhead article do significatly less than the balanced m+ one in single target?
or is it designed for bis
slayer
teal pine
does it sim less or do you just do less
valid pulsar
<@61282228017041408> why does the raid single target talent import from the wowh...
its simming more though
gilded pawn
His sample size of 1>sims
teal pine
player diff i fear
gilded pawn
Man needs hekili
sullen tendon
does it sim less or do you just do less
im doing nexus princess and have been using the m+ talents all night and i switched to the st raid ones for a few pulls and im doing like 200k less from using them
valid pulsar
do you have logs
young swan
skissue
brittle phoenix
skissue
sullen tendon
i mena im only 601 too
dense elbow
Ye, aint a gear issue
sullen tendon
wtf you mean
sullen tendon
you litearlly just hit rampage and spend bt and rb
valid pulsar
im jus assuming here
gilded pawn
No logs no anything
dense elbow
Or a lot of downtime cause bad play, giving OF value for you
gilded pawn
We can just assume
teal pine
gameplay isnt really that different between the two builds
But the st build isnt worse, especially not 200k worse
gilded pawn
Not to mention there could be some Aug fuckery happening
One fight you get buffed by Aug more than others
dense elbow
Hm, we sure this isn't just bait? 🪤
valid pulsar
thick kayak
i accidentally pulled nexus princess with the MT talents and after wipe switched back to ST and did the same exact dps at the same point that we wiped the first time
dense elbow
Show boss dam
winter shoal
ST talents take VC/AJ and aoe build doesn't
idle wolf
well guys it's over. more nerfs inc
dense elbow
We get more nerfs, we can kiss m+ goodbye
tidal kindle
Arcane and fdk already do our job better in M+
winter shoal
Explain why I hard gape our fdk in keys then Garms
tidal kindle
Mobs have to live
idle wolf
skill issue
winter shoal
He plays oblit I think
tidal kindle
And/or tank issue
balmy shore
murder dk murder mage
buoyant salmon
if you play perfectly as a fdk with a good tank you should omega fuck everyone in m+
maybe besides enhance
winter shoal
murder dk murder mage
real
buoyant salmon
that spec is nasty with it
winter shoal
Anyone ever logged in on sin rogue and then run out of energy a minute into a fight and logged out?
dense elbow
So, fury get another OF 15% BS 10% and aura 3%. To make sure we don't use those abilities anymore. Then Devs happy
Can't burst, if basic abilities hit harder than rotationals. Big brain
modest condor
are you ok?
buoyant salmon
no thanks for asking
modest condor
np
dense elbow
I just want the final nerfs to hit, so I can finally feel I start progressing my character 
tidal galleon
what talent do i drop for smf? i know its a meme but im fuckin prot and all i have are dope 1handers
dense elbow
Bloodcraze or something like that
winter shoal
what talent do i drop for smf? i know its a meme but im fuckin prot and all i ha...
#fury message that's from a couple weeks ago so the gear is outdated but the concept should be similar, it's about a 5% loss to go SMF if you drop a point in VC
tidal galleon
ty
verbal rivet
At what point will ravager out DPS bladestorm in slayer. They could nerf Bladestorm so much it could be the play
teal pine
I just want the final nerfs to hit, so I can finally feel I start progressing my...
final nerfs have hit. ptr stuff is just what we already have
tidal kindle
Show boss dam
dense elbow
Still public outcry, nerfs will come
tidal kindle
Sikran deadge
ccqccchttps://www.twitch.tv/qtgarms/clip/PopularSpineyApeTakeNRG-sy8nosuKUXmCjmE7
restive peak
Rashanananana to 30% in 4 pulls, surely dead anytime
wind ginkgo
is there a best weapon enchant for us? Didn't see anything in the guide..
summer crater
Is this the top warriors for Sikran?
frozen portal
is there a best weapon enchant for us? Didn't see anything in the guide..
authority of the depths
edgy widget
im doing nexus princess and have been using the m+ talents all night and i switc...
I presume what you're seeing is the fact that the MT talents are burstier, in that you're dumping a bunch of damage during CDs, but have less throughput - e.g. the ST spec builds into Viscous Contempt for more Execute damage, and if you're wiping prior to 35%, you're not seeing that benefit
modest condor
it's funny to see that safe zone just getting smaller and smaller until there's nothing left
summer crater
Unholy DK and enhancement shaman on bloodbound horror mythic are almost fury on queen heroic level
sullen tendon
I presume what you're seeing is the fact that the MT talents are *burstier*, in ...
that makes more sense
summer crater
Still public outcry, nerfs will come
Don't worry about it we are strong enough
dense elbow
Boss dam? Looks like boss dsm
If we don't get hit over the head with another profile dam adjustment next week, I will calm down. But I do fear more flattening
tardy axle
how does meat cleaver cleave work? is it around you in a circle like outlaw blade flurry or in like a cone infront of you?
modest condor
around you
icy stream
people running slayer now for M+ instead of thane?
buoyant salmon
has always been slayer
icy stream
lies!
buoyant salmon
def not lies
icy stream
i felt like on my m0 i was always at top now i switched and my dps feels so bad lol
i got a DH beating me
buoyant salmon
dh does good dam
dense elbow
We got nerfed, DH got buffed/fixed
agile crystal
which one would you guys pick?
cyan turtle
have u simmed?
agile crystal
nope. never done that before, it seems very complicated tbh
should i use the online one or addon?
modest condor
you need the simulationcraft addon to input your character into raidbots
restive peak
bro i was at 1.1m as arms
RIP bro, the sadness is real
agile crystal
its just copy paste and run it
And it just compares everything i have in my bag etc?
icy stream
yea doing only 880k now in +5s rip the nerf is real
buoyant salmon
And it just compares everything i have in my bag etc?
need to go on the top gear tab
select items you want to compare
agile crystal
ahh ok ty!
cyan turtle
yea doing only 880k now in +5s rip the nerf is real
wut
quiet geyser
If we don't get hit over the head with another profile dam adjustment next week,...
we legit cant do any less boss damage at this point
valid pulsar
did they change it back to 6 tokens for a socket. wasnt it 2 sockets last season ?
sage hearth
What rings should I use besides the raid ones?
dense elbow
we legit cant do any less boss damage at this point
They simply just nerf OF and BS again, to flatten the dam profile. Make it so we got 0 noticeable, yet mathematical still AoE burst gain.
Boss dam will be untouched, I am sure
trail viper
god i love the worldsoul bug. was supposed to get like 500 key shards, got 35
icy stream
ouch
upbeat plume
they do tend to not do as many tuning adjustments after the race has started
cyan turtle
lets fuckin gooooo 4set
woooo 2% more dmg
upbeat plume
and were not enough of an outlier like the few times they broke that rule
vague crown
funny number go up
dense elbow
Guess those resets happen more often than I give them credit for
willow cradle
if only it was any rb reset and not self resets
valid pulsar
if my highest ring is 606 and i upgrade one ring to 619 can i upgrade the second ring without crests ?
dense elbow
if my highest ring is 606 and i upgrade one ring to 619 can i upgrade the second...
Need two rings, two trinkets at the same ilvl to start the process
upbeat plume
yeah I think the order goes Weapons>Trinkets>big armor pieces>shoulders, bet etc>rings and amulet
or something similar, its in teh guide
summer crater
I promise the deaths were "unluck"
pale sable
if my highest ring is 606 and i upgrade one ring to 619 can i upgrade the second...
Nope
brittle crow
raid lead clearly explaining the breaking order for eggs n then people walking in the opposite direction
makes me wanna make a visit to the rope store
shell terrace
what build did u play ?
kindred swallow
So guys i have a question, with the whole slayer hero talents thing should i only use blasestorm when i have 3 stacks of the buff or just ignore them and use it on cd with other cds?
brittle crow
if ur playing right, u should always have 3
other than on pull ofc
if ur not consistently getting 3 then u need to fix that
winter shoal
You pretty much use bladestorm whenever it's up, as long as you're enraged
chilly plume
yea any time I've had the button off cd I've also had the full stacks
restive peak
what build did u play ?
Spear ST brotato
kindred swallow
Really? I rarely have more than 2 when the other coldowns come back up oh well
brittle crow
Really? I rarely have more than 2 when the other coldowns come back up oh well
sounds like ur not pressing SD when you should be
assuming good uptime u should absolutely be getting at LEAST 3 sd procs per bs
remember exe with 3 stacks gets prio'd above p much everything except crushing blow
maybe even above crushing blow if ur zesty abt it
as long as ur not gonna drop enrage or doing it without whirlwind ofc
winter shoal
3x MfE exe is prio above CB period
kindred swallow
I mean i have been pressing execute every time it procs as always
I dont think i have ever reached 3 stacks of sudden death either lol
kindred swallow
The new hero talent yea
winter shoal
SD can proc on its own and you can use it to consume MfE, and then you can get more slayer strikes to trigger ImmDem without ever reaching 3x MfE stacks
Using your SD that early may or may not be correct depending on circumstances
brittle crow
wym SD can proc on its own
brittle crow
o true
tribal flint
i felt like on my m0 i was always at top now i switched and my dps feels so bad ...
Slayer single has always been way stronger, so people have always played slayer, unless there was some odd thing that happened where everyone was all taking 15% ~ less single target dmg
kindred swallow
That was what i was trying to say, i dont think i have ever reached 3 mfe stacks i only usually reach one
I shouldnt be using execute until i reach 3 then?
brittle crow
in st spec you still press execute if u have nothing else to press or to keep juggernaut up
and im p sure in exe phase at 5 jugg stacks you just press it after crushing blow in general
winter shoal
I shouldnt be using execute until i reach 3 then?
I personally add "...or sudden death is expiring within 5 seconds" to line 5 there and it's a little more consistent with the AJ uptime https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
winter shoal
and im p sure in exe phase at 5 jugg stacks you just press it after crushing blo...
Not with VC talented
winter shoal
You do not
brittle crow
wtf
kindred swallow
I personally add "...or sudden death is expiring within 5 seconds" to line 5 the...
Alr thx, i only really do dungeons but ill look into that
brittle crow
thats dum
winter shoal
Alr thx, i only really do dungeons but ill look into that
The dungeon build doesn't take AJ so it's a little simpler in that case
vapid tiger
how many fights are people taking AJ on? Didn't see many this week
brittle crow
just st
winter shoal
how many fights are people taking AJ on? Didn't see many this week
Single target fights basically
kindred swallow
Whats AJ sorry? Im terrible with abreviations
winter shoal
Ashen Juggernaut
kindred swallow
Ah alr thx
So in dungeons i just wait for 3 stacks?
Ive been spamming execute everytime it procs lol
covert blaze
Whats AJ sorry? Im terrible with abreviations
Anthony Junior
kindred swallow
What do i do with bladestorm on pull btw then? Do i just use it without stacks with the other cds or wait for the 3 stacks?
brittle crow
send after ava
winter shoal
Ive been spamming execute everytime it procs lol
In aoe spec, 3x MfE should line up with exe being usable (above 20%) in general so no worries
tidal kindle
Ive been spamming execute everytime it procs lol
If you don't know / don't have a particular reason why you would otherwise send it early, wait for 3 stacks
winter shoal
I sometimes send a cheeky 1 or 2 stack exe on a mob if it's the end of the pack
For the cdr going into the next pack
If it's gonna die in like 1 or 2 globals anyways
covert blaze
Gfury poggies
vast crystal
So guys regarding crafting - 2H the way to go for big dam or not?
kindred swallow
Take me back to legion jesus christ i feel dumber every expansion
valid pulsar
maybe he asking because on trash packs often they dont life long enough to get 3 stacks on a target.
brittle crow
Take me back to legion jesus christ i feel dumber every expansion
heroic strike POG
valid pulsar
this is the kill btw
late ivy
what are the best embellishments to craft for m+ focused build?
vast crystal
Just wondering why so many top tier players are running o ther crafts (wrist+cloak)
burnt raft
Where do I find the tier set % increase for warriors?
odd star
0%
burnt raft
Wasn’t there like a spreadsheet
valid pulsar
what are the best embellishments to craft for m+ focused build?
probably double duskthread ?
or nah
odd star
warriors swapping to arms for kyveza in rwf, i wonder if i should relearn arms
slim coral
Where do I find the tier set % increase for warriors?
its 2 percent around there
from what I last heard
odd star
its 2 percent around there
4pc is 2%? or both 2pc and 4pc?
slim coral
4 pc is
burnt raft
Wait that’s so bad
odd star
huh, thought it was less than 2%, good toknow
slim coral
atleast that's what I remember from archi
odd star
thought it was like 1%
burnt raft
Do u guys have a like to that spreadsheet?
odd star
our tier is so trash lol
slim coral
I don't
burnt raft
I’m guessing 2p is like 1%?
odd star
do you know how much arms gets from their tier?
slim coral
Definitely over 2 and under 3
You guys start ovinax yet?
We started tonight it's rough
burnt raft
do you know how much arms gets from their tier?
I think colossus specifically gets like 8%
slim coral
still got an hour to go
burnt raft
But slayer gets like 3?
odd star
I think colossus specifically gets like 8%
jesus christ
tidal kindle
You guys start ovinax yet?
No point
modest condor
i mean you can get used to mechanics
burnt raft
jesus christ
But sadly even with 4p colossus is behind slayer
slim coral
yeah we started it to get weakauras set up and learn the fight
tidal kindle
They decided we were better off doing group mandated keys
To help people catch up in gear
buoyant salmon
i mean
slim coral
that's also a fair pov
buoyant salmon
nobody is killing that boss
tidal kindle
Wasn’t there like a spreadsheet
odd star
But sadly even with 4p colossus is behind slayer
isnt colossus being behind a good thing?
burnt raft
buoyant salmon
besides like 5 guilds
burnt raft
Hahaha
buoyant salmon
so getting more gear for when its nerfed is good
tidal kindle
Get people's 10s out of the way
And everything
That way it's not a monday night scramble
And with how silly some of these dungeons are...
Not a bad idea
buoyant salmon
And with how silly some of these dungeons are...
by silly you mean impressively shit and unfun
yeah?
slim coral
yeah I mean either way of the coin makes sense
can either gear now or learn the fight now and gear during off raid nights
odd star
2pc to 4pc is less than 1% increase, lol
tidal kindle
by silly you mean impressively shit and unfun
Impressively shit, yeah
modest condor
seeing people talented into storm bolt for singletarget will never not be funny to me
slim coral
Most are fun, just tuning is
Yeah the raid is a blast actually
modest condor
poison totem for last boss or?
tidal kindle
Yeah the raid is a blast actually
Dungeons
Yah poison totem
Gets every other set
Lmfao
opal prairie
Is there an agreed upon bis list you guys use? I notice the one on wowhead and maxroll are different
modest condor
flashback to worm in nelth's lair
burnt raft
So I’ve known fury to be a burst aoe class. Where it excels in low keys due to low mob health etc. but I’ve been seeing a lot of fury warriors absolutely topping the raid damage meters. Is it the same in 5+ keys too? And why is that? I’m a bit confused
tidal kindle
Vs classes that can't do that
modest condor
it's because most bosses also require burst aoe
burnt raft
But I’ve seen em do top meters in heroic sikran and other single target bosses too
sullen dove
im so tired...
modest condor
heroic is just skill diff
odd star
So I’ve known fury to be a burst aoe class. Where it excels in low keys due to l...
depending on the patch fury is more of an steady aoe class than burst aoe. rn we are burst aoe. fury warrior is good on raid damage because 6 fights have adds that can be bursted as soon as they spawn
ont he single target fights we are not good
summer crater
But I’ve seen em do top meters in heroic sikran and other single target bosses t...
If they're topping sikran they either outgear the others or the others are bad
odd star
^
nimble berry
burnt raft
Mhmm I see. How do they do in high keys then?
slim coral
So I’ve known fury to be a burst aoe class. Where it excels in low keys due to l...
Because fury has strong cds for once
modest condor
this is fury's actual performance on heroic sikran https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/38#boss=2898&difficulty=4&dataset=95
slim coral
Mhmm I see. How do they do in high keys then?
very well
opal prairie
Is there an agreed upon bis list you guys use? I notice the one on wowhead and m...
Should I ask this in a different channel ?
modest condor
Mhmm I see. How do they do in high keys then?
we'll have to see when people start doing high keys
slim coral
Should I ask this in a different channel ?
check wowhead
burnt raft
Do you still take odins and thunder roar into the raid?
slim coral
that is where you will fine the bis list
burnt raft
we'll have to see when people start doing high keys
I’m more like talking about +5 to +8
odd star
I’m more like talking about +5 to +8
those are not high
opal prairie
https://maxroll.gg/wow/class-guides/fury-warrior-raid-guide#gear-header
This is also linked from this discord, it's generally agreed upon to use wowhead's list instead?
odd star
poor rashy
slim coral
i just FUCKED rashanan
loved that fight for fury
modest condor
I’m more like talking about +5 to +8
that's still low enough that trash dies in like 20 seconds
slim coral
fucking owns
buoyant salmon
real ones play arms
burnt raft
OF and roar are broken
Wasn’t fury nerfed recently? I saw it was bladestorm and OF -10% and overall -3%. It don’t seem like it changed much tho
slim coral
Only peopel into B DSM love arms
buoyant salmon
top 50 all specs as arms
modest condor
because it didnt
burnt raft
real ones play arms
I’m arms colossus main :))) that’s why I’m asking cos I’m not very knowledgeable on fury. I wanted to try it since I got a second juicy weapon
burnt raft
Seems like it’s a lot easier too
buoyant salmon
both specs are equally easy
odd star
if you mess up your burst aoe in fury your dps sinks to the depths of hell
if you decide to use that extra 1 bladestorm hoping you'll have another for next wave of adds and you dont = gg
modest condor
yeah but messing up your burst aoe is almost impossible
odd star
not the execution, i mean the timing
burnt raft
if you mess up your burst aoe in fury your dps sinks to the depths of hell
Isn’t it enrage >ava > of > tr > rampage etc
Oh I see
modest condor
i mean you have a built in enrage to your burst aoe, so you cant even forget to enrage before using it
odd star
the execution of both arms and fury is very easy
but a spec that relies on aoe to keep up needs to know the fight to line up their cds with the aoe segments of the encounter
im not saying its hard by any means, but there is SOME skill involved
burnt raft
I been playing arms with my guild and I’m always outdpsed by frost dk and mage. Maybe with fury I can pull past them
odd star
my first pulls before i know when adds spawn are horrid
modest condor
luckily there are logs where you can see when adds spawn tho
odd star
fury can compete in the meters for sure
odd star
luckily there are logs where you can see when adds spawn tho
true, i am too casual for that tho
modest condor
fair
odd star
if i had more free time i'd want to be super try hard and stuff but rl is a thing unfortunately
burnt raft
Sooooo is it always slayer? Never mountain thane?
modest condor
depends on the level you play at
if you want to be at all competitive then slayer
if you just want to have fun then nothing stopping you from playing thane
burnt raft
Last question, I know that PI is good for every class, but how good is it on slayer? My girl PI’s me on cooldown so I wanna know if either fury or arms makes use of it better
It’s that big PI too from archon
35% or something
teal pine
there are PI sims in that same spreadsheet for the tier sets
burnt raft
Oh shit yeah
junior gale
i just FUCKED rashanan
you play arms or fury? im excited to do that fight as arms
buoyant salmon
arms
restive peak
Alright we got the rashananana down
Pretty sure we just cxl Sun/Mon til next weeks loot+nerfs LOL
coral dock
Where is blizzard getting that in Mountain Thane, Bloodthirst/Bloodbath has a 35% chance to proc Thunder Blast? It's not even remotely close to 1/3 of the bloodthirsts/bloodbaths i cast. I'd say MAYBE 1 out of 10
storm rune
top 25 all fury wars, you love to see it
sullen dove
can somebody gouge the eyes out of my head
storm rune
can somebody gouge the eyes out of my head
restive pewter
sullen dove
warrior dead btw
restive pewter
no dks st?
unique frigate
After rampage, does it go cb>bb>rb or after cb do u start to spam rb to get crit chance for bb?
And use bb as last cd on that enrage
humble plover
put in work tonight boys
quick schooner
Guys for some reason when i use Reck in opener i should get 50 Rage but for some reason when i use it i get 50 rage than rage Instantly go back to 20
any one have this bug ?
formal scaffold
put in work tonight boys
I'm so confused. Our rotation isn't hard, and sticking to a target is easy, but I'm depressingly low. Is it mostly just lining up AoEs for packs that pumps our numbers to this level?
quick schooner
u are using it before boss pull
aha so game reset your rage to 0 once you enter boss fight
humble plover
ye
humble plover
charge normally should offset it but thats why its happening
quick schooner
ya i have macro Reck + charge
should i change it to Charge + reck or it dose not matter ?
storm rune
No, because you reck before you charge
quick schooner
I'm so confused. Our rotation isn't hard, and sticking to a target is easy, but ...
you talking single or aoe ?
formal scaffold
you talking single or aoe ?
First two bosses of Palace, so one AoE (I think I'm just not bursting pools hard enough), and one somewhat mixed.
restive peak
wait they're all arms
Ofc they are, it's the RWF w extremely tight timings, even a 3% diff would force that
Doesn't mean you won't be able to play fury on her 2 months from now in full 639 gear
restive pewter
you right
teal pine
probably would have been arms anyway
restive peak
It was an arms fight pre nerf, yeah
restive pewter
o
restive peak
Arms has far better boss dam, so for ST it makes sense
restive pewter
is arms as easy as fury?
teal pine
no
restive pewter
shibal
teal pine
but its not super hard
restive pewter
oh?
restive peak
Arms is legit 3 buttons rn
quick schooner
First two bosses of Palace, so one AoE (I think I'm just not bursting pools hard...
Djinn if you really wanna push your DPS one of the best advice i can give you is record the fight you do . rewatch them and Orgnize your CD . so you want to mostly CD the moment your CD back or when is adds Burst soon
nothing taste more bad than using all cd couple of sec before adds
restive peak
It's a giga joke, the reason to NOT play slarms is because it's insanely boring with almost zero nuance to it
formal scaffold
Djinn if you really wanna push your DPS one of the best advice i can give you is...
Appreciate it!
teal pine
arms still has to think more than fury
restive peak
It absolutely does not
olive wraith
Arms feels so squishy comparatively
restive peak
If you're truly trying to minmax fury, RB charges, opportunist procs, maintaining AJ etc
Arms is just OP+MS w CS/SkS every 30-45s
Bladestorm every 40ish s
And execute spam below 35%
It's legit a joke
quick schooner
If you're truly trying to minmax fury, RB charges, opportunist procs, maintainin...
what is RB and what is AJ ?
restive peak
There is quite literally NO nuance to arms right now
storm rune
im gonna take a wild guess
restive peak
Raging blow charges, ashen jugg
storm rune
MS exe and OP
restive peak
^
Arms is insanely boring right now, I enjoy arms when it's fun, it's extremely strong currently, but it's also extremely unfun
unique frigate
How big of a priority is to keep AJ up?
restive peak
On ST? Once stacked, pretty high
Don't just blind send SD if it's got 12s left, you may not get another
unique frigate
Yeah ive been doing that, just wondering how big impact it haves
restive peak
I mean execute kinda sucks, but on ST you should aim to maintain it
storm rune
It's all about the little things adding up
restive peak
The 50% crit keeps it from sucking
And exactly
There are several micro optimizations; they won't make a huge diff alone, but overall together they will matter at the highest end
Like if you're doing heroics, or late CE, it honestly won't matter much
storm rune
chasing parses always fun tho
restive peak
If we're dead, so is evoker+DK
unique frigate
Its nice that marked to execution has so long timer, i just use execute to keep the stacks up or use at 3 stacks
sudden tusk
doubt we get nerfed anymore
buoyant salmon
is arms as easy as fury?
both specs are super easy
sudden tusk
literally its just burst aoe
restive peak
Yeah if you check our ST compared to AOE, it's pretty piss poor
brittle crow
yea the st sucks but like
restive peak
Our job is the AOE jobs on these fights
brittle crow
this is a burst aoe raid
restive peak
I got a 100 on sikran and was 5th
If the people below me also dropped 100s, I would've been like 10th
brittle crow
either way im not saying we DESERVE nerfs
im saying we're getting em, cuz im a prophet
storm rune
Fury also has the natty 10% DR over arms which just in general makes staying alive a little easier
brittle crow
i dont make the rules i simply announce fate
buoyant salmon
Fury also has the natty 10% DR over arms which just in general makes staying ali...
arms has avoidance
storm rune
avoidance dont help when you take a cleave to the dome
restive peak
Arms is also quite tanky, yeah
unique frigate
I also think fury is getting another hit from the hammer
restive peak
Why are you taking a cleave lol
buoyant salmon
i died on sikran
restive peak
If fury gets nerfed again, it will be a tuning where we lose burst AOE and gain ST
storm rune
I'm saying from the perspective of someone new to the game or class
restive pewter
100
restive peak
But fury is no longer that strong, it aligns w the fights well, if they nerfed fury again it would be legit removed from the game
restive pewter
you’re different
brittle crow
But fury is no longer that strong, it aligns w the fights well, if they nerfed f...
wouldnt b the first time
buoyant salmon
that rashanan pull was obscenely good for me
got 0 mechanics, bladestorm lined up with adds without even holding it at all
junior gale
pog
restive peak
Every spec has had a time it was dead
junior gale
when you get crazy mark rng on pull shit feels good
brittle crow
got 0 mechanics, bladestorm lined up with adds without even holding it at all
meanwhile on my latest broodtwister pull when first eggs came up my bs still had 30 sec left
shit literally didnt proc
gg
junior gale
I had a legendary pull on heroic princess I had max stack jugg as arms for most of the fight
was insane
then we wiped
unique frigate
Whats the deal here?
sudden tusk
restive peak
If you hold CDs for 20s into fight, they always align w adds
restive peak
What a gamer
Jumpin from 2 to 7 no leaver
I personally just sent on CD on rashanan for boss dam cuz we struggled more than we should've, tbh
unique frigate
Mythic rashanan got adds?
restive peak
I think I got like rank 25 or something
oblique trail
Yes
restive peak
Yeah tons
oblique trail
All difficulties do
unique frigate
Okay
brittle crow
If you hold CDs for 20s into fight, they always align w adds
wait WHAT
restive peak
Yeah
brittle crow
ive just been sending on pull and delaying 2nd set this whole time
restive peak
Or maybe it's 25s, I looked before
restive peak
Giga useless AOE
quick schooner
yo Lincc how do you Mid max OPoirtunist What are the Rule behind it
sudden tusk
and it doesnt help that on broodtwister as an example the boss is so big your pets dont cleave shit under the boss
its aids
quick schooner
and it doesnt help that on broodtwister as an example the boss is so big your pe...
after playing other classes . warriro have it sooooooo easy on aoe . way way easier to clip all mops than other classes
civic cipher
yo what is our haste cap
oblique trail
yo what is our haste cap
The amount that raidbots put you at through top gear sims
There are no stat caps or %s to think about
storm rune
I think I got like rank 25 or something
That's nothing compared to this rank 1 Gluth parse
eternal sundial
restive peak
yo Lincc how do you Mid max OPoirtunist What are the Rule behind it
Very minor, you try to have rage pooled to always send it with CB instead of RB
It's minor
unique frigate
yo Lincc how do you Mid max OPoirtunist What are the Rule behind it
I also wanna know
restive peak
Keeping up AJ is minor
Pooling rage properly to have very, very few if any slams is minor
But all them together can kinda add up
quick schooner
Very minor, you try to have rage pooled to always send it with CB instead of RB
i was thinking the same why but i was also asking my self that mean the moment OP pop up i shouldnt use RB and use Rampage and if it happen back to back i fear that i will be rage starved
unique frigate
Wtf do u guys actually have to use slam?
olive wraith
In st occasionally
quick schooner
At my gear, rage starving has stopped
ilvl ?
quick schooner
amazing
unique frigate
Ive never been in situation where i would need to slam, i dont even have in my bars
It*
oblique trail
You only use it as the lowest prio filler in pure ST talents
oblique trail
Which is only Sikran and Princess
unique frigate
Theres always someting better to press
quick schooner
Ive never been in situation where i would need to slam, i dont even have in my b...
it rarly happen but some time Raging Blow . rampage . BT. Excute are all out of option
upper heron
whirlwind it is
olive wraith
Theres always someting better to press
Not always clearly
quick schooner
Theres always someting better to press
but if you are geared to the teath you would have rampage open because your rage generation is higher than other
olive wraith
whirlwind it is
In aoe absolutely hit ww
unique frigate
but if you are geared to the teath you would have rampage open because your rage...
Im at 610 with 29% haste so guess that explains it
quick schooner
Im at 610 with 29% haste so guess that explains it
maan i am way undergeared on my warrior i feal left out need to farm mythic + . herioc raid bean very bad for me latly
bleak dagger
Myth+ fury is too weak now after nerf…. Shit
warped bone
Eh, having zero issues doing my 9s
smoky vale
mr lincc have you felt that pre execute as arms that you have infinite rage?
ocean basin
Howdy y'all. Returning to wow after.....9-10 years. Loved fury in MoP, and when I logged in the other day....wow that shit is different. Anywhere in particular that I can find a Cliffs Notes on what changed and how to Fury in this xpac?
oblique trail
Myth+ fury is too weak now after nerf…. Shit
Cannot relate
calm quartz
also cant relate
winter shoal
the duality of man
What build you playing on rashanan bud?
oblique trail
Only been beaten once so far by like 40k overall by a guildie MM
Any other dungeon and I've been well above 2nd
winter shoal
I've been getting hard gapped by our guild's ww in keys but he's just a much better player than me
And WW is also pretty deece
oblique trail
press buttons better
restive pewter
I’m tryin brother T-T
I lose by anywhere from 20-40k
Unless it’s a low key and he can’t actually dps the packs
storm rune
Also remember, if your tank is shit, so is your damage
brittle crow
Also remember, if your tank is shit, so is your damage
had a tank who refused to pull more than 3 mobs at a time in grim batol
hasty crescent
anyone got a gear guide step for a new fury warrior? i tried scrolling th rough chat and there is a lot of chat xD
brittle crow
wanted to kms
tidal kindle
the duality of man
Rashashana followed the pattern
...oh no
I'm 0ing the next boss
buoyant salmon
i didnt play ulgeax or bloodbound bc i was a filthy griefer
hasty crescent
nvm ignore me i found the guide lol
tardy lark
we're just optimizing vaults cause we know we arent killing ovinax lol
oblique trail
We better kill Ovinax or Princess this week so I can get my 2nd vault slot
restive peak
mr lincc have you felt that pre execute as arms that you have infinite rage?
In my gear now? Yeah
oblique trail
Arms rage gen is neutral with haste since when you gain faster you also spend faster
Arms in general just has too much rage
restive peak
Ye there are no rage issues on arms, even in exec really
oblique trail
Could perma spam IP and never worry about rage
brittle crow
damn wtf i thought arms was rage starved in execute what changed
restive peak
I mean if you don't press OP enough
oblique trail
Having a lot of SD procs on top of already high rage gen
oblique trail
Arms getting hit next
dusk urchin
in a cleave situation, you are out of whirlwind stacks but u can rampage
do u whirlwind first or rampage?
brittle crow
always whirlwind
dusk urchin
so say ur at 1 ww stack, u have bloodbath proc up and rampage available
brittle crow
ww always
tardy lark
<a:Aware:1127136410596544524>
kyveza and court arms bosses 
smoky vale
Ye there are no rage issues on arms, even in exec really
It just feels im legit nearly 100 rage all the time unless im in exe or i get unlucky with sudden death
dusk urchin
ww always
but would u rather rampage going into the whirlwind or use the bloodbath to then ww > rampage
brittle crow
if ur in aoe, and u have no ww stacks, u press ww or u press odyns because its ww if ur talented into that
calm quartz
oh, I see hes at 1 stack
calm quartz
and has to choose between BB and Rampage
brittle crow
no real choice there
wasting bb bad
and ww bad
so only use it at 0 stacks or as filler
calm quartz
does skipping BB still apply in aoe when youre at 130 rage and have BB and CB
brittle crow
never skip BB
simple as
i mean like, unless ur gonna have to send it un-enraged
then yea youd ramp to re-enrage first
but that doesnt happen often
tardy lark
Nex is a geometry boss
we did real well with putting sikran clones in a square last night 
hope hexagons are better xd
tidal kindle
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@tardy lark
tardy lark
that was 7 of our 8 pulls lol
ranged just standing around making dropping clones rough
and then an arbitrary rule of where first charge goes
is it a private aura actually
teal pine
Do you still kill demo tentacle first on sob last boss or did that change from bfa
tidal kindle
Kill demo cuz they don't respawn
The trade off is the slam damage/knockback is unavoidable and partywide
tidal kindle
ranged just standing around making dropping clones rough
I'm less valuable than mage, aug, and healer
queen solstice
how do I maximize my AOE damage outside of cds? im getting gapped by boomie and sin rogue
tidal kindle
brittle crow
xddd
queen solstice
woof
calm quartz
pray for reap procs
brittle crow
prio bloodthirst above raging blow if u have to pick one, which u usually wont
press whirlwind
thats it
brittle crow
if an add is about to die and u have execute stacks on it
make sure u execute it so the bladestorm cdr doesnt go to waste
queen solstice
gotcha gotcha do I send BS always or should i wait for a decent pull for it?
brittle crow
ehhhhhhh it depends
queen solstice
im like 100k overall under theses 2
brittle crow
obvi dont send it if shits abt to die
but it can be worth saving for a decently long time if ur in st and adds are coming up soon
pearl sequoia
thoughts on taking Culling cyclone over brutal finish for M+, surely the bs dam is more worth while
brittle crow
thoughts on taking Culling cyclone over brutal finish for M+, surely the bs dam ...
20% more bladestorm dam spread out over like 8 targets = like 17 damage more to each
50% more ramp damage on each ramp target individually = a lot more
teal pine
Kill demo cuz they don't respawn
last two sieges i was in people insisted you kill gripping first and i wasnt sure if i missed something
or if they were just weird
pearl sequoia
HMM makes sense then, gotcha
tidal kindle
last two sieges i was in people insisted you kill gripping first and i wasnt sur...
Weird
The guy doesn't build cannon till destro dead anyway so
brittle crow
HMM makes sense then, gotcha
but 20% more bladestorm damage to 1 target = a FUCKton more
tidal kindle
Unnecessary dam
brittle crow
thats why u take culling cyclone in st
pearl sequoia
Yea right
brittle crow
or raid where you'll be often hitting boss only
dusk urchin
but 20% more bladestorm damage to 1 target = a FUCKton more
this makes a lot of sense i had it backwards
teal pine
yea the BS talent is ST and rampage talent is aoe
secretly
definitely seems like it would be the other way around at first
restive pewter
what io are people lookign for in 7s man
still moth
2.5k bare minimum
young swan
correct
restive pewter
great
young swan
people are always cringe
restive pewter
reminding me of lost ark
covert blaze
im 616 and 2k and i still dont get auto invites for 7/8s
flex
covert blaze
untold trench
Something I've never considered in all my years of playing WoW lol
If you macro reck, avatar, trinket, and thunderous roar, does TR get the buffs from reck avatar and trinket? Or because they're all instant, even if ordered properly in the macro, it loses out on the buffs
tardy lark
point and laugh at him
teal pine
blue remornia?
brittle crow
omg blue remornia
tidal kindle
blue remornia?
Remornia + elisande + whatever that legion boss was that put seed of corruption on you
restive peak
Bro my UI must be bugged, there are ZERO keys listed on NA lol
young swan
yeah thats a bug
restive pewter
im getting this bug
restive peak
Wonder wtf it is
brittle crow
im getting this bug
restive pewter
velvet obsidian
velvet obsidian
Hate those guys
young swan
thats a fun one huh
tidal kindle
i just want sacbrood
I just want shard
But pugging stonevault or batol is impossible
Even at 7/8
velvet obsidian
I had a +6 key that got bricked twice on the twins. Third try the key still bricked on them, but the party pushed through so I could get a better key
Tyrannical twins 
tidal kindle
They need to like
Give an actual grace period
To the twin boss
Enraging after one dies
Rn it's just
Dies > 2 globals everyone is dead except tank/healer/immune
velvet obsidian
'Dodge these five mechanics. If you do it perfectly you'll still take 3 mil damage from the explosion alone.'
protip though, if the kick gets missed you can reflect the molten metal cast
coral dock
does anyone use mountain thane who can help me
oblique trail
To the twin boss
This boss is so extremely unethical and I don't know how they went through with that as the live iteration
tidal kindle
If it was healer's not keeping up
I'd more be inclined to agree
(Other than the 0 grace period on enrage)
But it's often just people getting hit by cube
Or not moving (at all) for vents
molten wing
first few times in M0 cube just cubed me i kept forgetting it
oblique trail
Honestly my issue is that you can just get gg rng where you sidestep the box that the mech drags in, while the vents activate after the cube gets pulled in, and the empty vent is on the other side
So you're just kinda gg at that point
Haven't tested tho if you can just stay in the cube or if it kills you if you try and walk through
serene fox
hit by cube is understandable tbh they need to make it less subtle animation
oblique trail
Honestly getting hit by it is a skill issue
That's not my issue with the fight
Just gotta have a tiny bit of awareness and you can tell when and where it comes
sudden tusk
oblique trail
turtle it
vague copper
For some reason (was not like that back in the days still using threatplates) the icon on the adds on Mistcaller come up behind the healthbar.. Can you move the icon on some way?
hidden river
So is ret just a better version then us in every way now?
Notice theyre doing way more damage then me now and actually have utility lol
vague copper
We do for once have some stuff that can sort affix.. Atleast this week 😛
hushed ocean
we have aoe stun, st stun, rally, we're not that bad utility spoken.
Just others don't know...
velvet obsidian
AoE fear also breaks orbs
tidal kindle
What the fuck
hidden river
Yeah but they got a brez and bubble just seems way more viable. Just sucks seein our dmg be less then theres when thats all we really got.
velvet obsidian
Damage is only for mages silly goose
molten wing
i wont lie ret having burst every 30 secs is really fun when you play it
having it for most packs
quaint stag
Arcane torrent breaks orbs too if you’re a belf
molten wing
i just shockwave them
quaint stag
If my shockwave is on cd then I’ll use torrent
prime summit
Anyone have a fun AM M+ fury build? 1.5 min cds ain’t it
carmine eagle
someone got a fix for group finder?
tardy lark
someone got a fix for group finder?
higher io
carmine eagle
higher io <:deadge:900279927138578432>
i don't get any results, if i search with levels
still wave
I got a 100 on sikran and was 5th
And yet I have ppl telling me that fury is nr 1 in ST dps 