fury

[open prairie]

[sick viper]

queen heroic ez asf

[sullen dove]

perish

[upbeat sentinel]

https://gyazo.com/de506d773c3471a379487da8bf254b86

I got these from just logging in 🤔

[quartz tulip]

wasted ring since im rerolling from this dog shit class

[sullen dove]

why u think that

[teal pine]

Wow fury sucks after the nerfs im going to play the new best class.
logs back on fury warrior

[keen kindle]

Less pad

Become an ethical gamer

[dusty aspen]

Even if fury was nerfed by 80% you could still play arms, which is better then any other class

[weary ice]

Is arms good in m+

[ionic plaza]

well thats just not scientifically or spiritually true

[quartz tulip]

who the fuck wants to play that pile of shit spec

[ionic plaza]

Its possible to mess up with arms too. wouldnt reccomend

[teal pine]

Most people that have played warrior more than one tier

[balmy shore]

surely this is bait

[dusty aspen]

Fury has to hit 5 times with rampage to do meh damage where as arms can hit mortal strike and get big neurons. Ipso facto arms is #1.

[ionic plaza]

arms is cool. no problem playing if i have to

[bitter palm]

its easy to do well at

same as fury

but if u want max damage

there is nuance

[olive wraith]

You should play colossus

[bitter palm]

when to send sd when to send sks op etc

[dusty aspen]

To zug, or not to zug.

[quartz tulip]

if i played Emerald Nightmare Version of Fury Warrior i can handle any of the versions of thi dog shit spec has to offer but the sheer nerfs we get is just sad

[ionic plaza]

Its still a top 5 spec bro chill

[teal pine]

I mean sure fury could be like EN or CN and do actual tank damage and not get nerfed but I would much rather be the actual best spec in the raid and get nerfed into still being the best spec in the raid

[indigo arch]

Don't worry, we still have the best utility in the game, clearly the nerfs were to offset that

[ionic plaza]

I was kinda dissapointed when i saw fury was as high as it was. Im gonna be top in meters in raid or M+ either way, so If its not number 1 statically noobs dont just write it off as "oh hes playing fury"

unless we get fire mage treatment

then its arms time

[indigo arch]

Don't worry I'm sure fury will be sick for when break the meta m+ keys come back around

[sick viper]

I will still play fury st fuck arms

[serene vessel]

chat

i hold cds for court?

for when he stunned?

[indigo arch]

Idk the burst when adds+boss is p sick

[serene vessel]

when is that

[indigo arch]

Near start when adds spawn and get brought into the bosses

Was seeing my overall spike to 3m+ if the dks gripped fast in my dogshit gear

[timber quiver]

The nerf is necessary for all of the flavor-of-the-month warrior tourists to reroll

[indigo arch]

It's to make way for all the utility we are clearly getting on tuesday

[timber quiver]

yeah man, we're getting bloodlust AND a bres I heard

[dapper goblet]

when is swordish getting streamer role

[sick canopy]

guyss to much haaste or is finee?

20% is the cap?

[bitter palm]

first real question ive seen today

[willow cradle]

The smirk of a man about to destroy the meters even more

[stable frost]

does mixing different levels of authority of the depths risk overwriting the stronger one with the weaker

[young swan]

there is no cap

[teal pine]

Crazy that 20% haste 🧢 is still around

[young swan]

im surprised people dont ask about 30% anymore

or at least not as much

[pearl sequoia]

Kinda impressive you got those stats at 587

[wicked dew]

What is the ideal scenario for vault tomorrow? Is it even that great to get a Hero track 2h?

[sick canopy]

im focuus on stats so, ccraft some gear with masteery/haste and i got 3p today.

i dont care ilvl atm

[tulip swallow]

bout to press one button and do all of the damage that can possibly be done to those adds

[sick canopy]

i havve caos flask btw

3100 haste or crit

[pearl sequoia]

well definitely care about ilvl, more strength is gonna beat haste mastery stats 9/10 times

you are simming yea?

[sick canopy]

right now i beat an fury 599 in takazj boss

[ionic plaza]

fury not OP confirmed then. its settled

[bitter ether]

are we getting another spark tomorrow?

[teal pine]

Stats are not the reason for that

Ilvl is by far the most important thing right now. All stats are pretty close to each other

[slender cypress]

are the changes live or are they coming tomorrow

[pearl sequoia]

tmr

[sudden tusk]

being the only warrior on that boss is being a kid in a candy store

[willow cradle]

I know

[wanton tree]

half

[willow cradle]

Oh man

[bitter ether]

ty ty

[quasi river]

I do wonder how far we'll fall in warcraftlogs rankings since they're specifically nerfing our pad add damage

[pearl sequoia]

from 1st to 1st

[meager gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/burying-dying-dead-grave-gif-17189345

fury now

[north edge]

we are switching to arms for ST fights though aren’t we

After nerfs

Like princess

[willow cradle]

On my guilds first few pulls on H Queen I was doing over 40% of the whole teams silken tomb damage

[velvet obsidian]

Resto shaman beating us on logs smh

I figure we go arms on single target and two target cleave. Arms eats on those fights. Fury eats on fights where small add summons show up every minute or so so we can nuke them with BS and OF

or at least, we should. Fury 4 Lyfe

[quasi river]

Well according to the updates channel fury was 1% behind on ST after the 1st nerf, so with an extra 3% nerf that'll be roughly 4% behind. Decide for yourself if you care enough.

[pearl sequoia]

yea maybe, top logs on court is 50k difference between arms and fury

probably see some arms in rwf

[haughty lichen]

i wonder were Fury lands in ST dmg now among the other specs

[pearl sequoia]

high middle of the pack probably

[indigo arch]

Wow arms was within 50k of fury? Nerf arms too clearly

[clever path]

heroic silken court down woot

[buoyant salmon]

you wouldve seen arms in rwf before the changes too

[drowsy iron]

huge

annoying ass fight

[clever path]

we had to cut like 7 people cause the damage was getting crazy when both bosses started doing their stuff

[drowsy iron]

yeah its obnoxious

[clever path]

ended up killing it with just me and like tanks and two warlocks up

[knotty python]

Has anybody done the math on Authority of Storms for M+?

[drowsy iron]

aff seems nice on that fight

[clever path]

aff is really good on that fight

our locks did the web mechanic and were still top dps cause of that

[knotty python]

Depths is great in raid so far, but I don't feel ike its doing much, maybe higher M+ when the mobs have more health

[drowsy iron]

its like 1.5-2.5% in ST raid

and usually

authority has like 30% uptime

and .75%

[indigo arch]

So far radiant glory enchant at least from an m+ perspective has outsimmed depths

[knotty python]

What about storms

[clever path]

i mean im gonna do whatevers best for raid and just let it ride

[knotty python]

Is what I'm getting at

[drowsy iron]

ye

[knotty python]

I'm more interested in M+ by far

[indigo arch]

If I recall storms simmed like ass

[clever path]

mplus this season is either gonna be SUPER easy or the most cancerous thing ever

[drowsy iron]

just send mainstat shit

its gonna be cancer

lmao

the mobs wont stop fkin casting

[clever path]

i forsee huge nerfs across the board

[drowsy iron]

cant stop wont stop

[pearl sequoia]

aTtAcK tOtEm

[drowsy iron]

need some kinda like

interrupt protection if u try to interrupt something someone ccs

idk

cause keys are gonna live and die by interrupts

[knotty python]

In the mythic i just did, out of 825m damage, Authority did 14m (1.7%) and Suffocating Darkness did 10m (1.2%)

I mean, I guess its not a huge difference either way.

[glass dawn]

LOL

[clever path]

i mean you also have to remember mplus bosses will live much longer meaning youll have a lot of single target time

[knotty python]

Yeah, true.

[clever path]

im betting they will even out

[knotty python]

But IMO pack damage has ALWAYS been #1 prio

[clever path]

i feel the opposite seeing as mobs die often and usually dont matter. while bosses are the run killers

[torn basalt]

Should we have not crafted our 2H yet or did I fuck up

[clever path]

imo crafting is fine as long as its heroic level and you wont replace it in the next few weeks

[pearl sequoia]

mobs at end of grim batol are gonna lazer people

[clever path]

but thats just me

[knotty python]

I think that burning down big trash packs is where M+ time is made or lost

idk

[clever path]

its all perspective. you can make amazing time then get stomped by a boss getting rid of all that

[knotty python]

True

[steady yoke]

I did the same thing, pretty sure we were meant to wait for reset cause gilded crest crafts it straight to 536

No problem though, just a tiny bit behind on runed crests

[haughty lichen]

is everyone dooming for fury with the new aura nerfs?

[eternal canopy]

[knotty python]

Honestly, fury could be 10% behind arms and i still wouldn't play arms

[bitter palm]

they are clueless

[haughty lichen]

i don't think they will be top dps anymore but i still think its still top 5 right?

[bitter palm]

everyone at the top got shot

[teal pine]

Very likely still top 1 with how ahead it was

[bitter palm]

^

idk 🔮 hard to tell if still top

but def king

top on rashanan/queen for sure i think

on rashanan maybe u could lose to a padding arms but padding as arms

is turbo cringe

if u are not sending on cd on boss as arms

obliterate yourself

[wanton jacinth]

am I missing something or is the tier set 4pc extremely underwhelming... sims suggesting like a ~3% dps increase with 4pc compared to 0pc / current

[bitter palm]

or press N and go fury

[bitter palm]

it is underwhelming

its nothing

[wanton jacinth]

that's disappointing

[young swan]

@buoyant salmon thought ur were playing arms BUD

[tidal kindle]

[lament lagoon]

Do we prio regular ragin blow and Bloodthirst over rampage whil we are enragd?

[slim coral]

choco is addicted to fury

[quasi river]

As far as I know it's yes but not if you'll overcap rage

[buoyant salmon]

i am wdym

:)

[winter shoal]

Filler prio if you're enraged is RB > ramp > exe > BT > slam/ww

[quasi river]

Woah... Even at capped fury? 🤯

[gilded pawn]

yep

cosmetic rage bar

LETS GO

[tidal kindle]

@buoyant salmon you are not killing the boss

Unlucky for some

:choco:

[buoyant salmon]

my graphics are on 1 and i have 30 fps

[tidal kindle]

Yah that room is

FUCKED

[buoyant salmon]

peak

[tidal kindle]

For FPS

[buoyant salmon]

this whole raid is so bad for my frames idk why

literally the whole raid

[eternal canopy]

career 8 fps raider checking in

[slate mica]

is it normal for dungeon slice sim having arms 40k higher than fury ?

[eternal canopy]

dung slice is a meme

[static rock]

Does anyone know how much vers duskthread lining gives?

[stable frost]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rPGSYN7Lmpv2Dr73vs7p7e not bad for week 1

[slim grotto]

I'm sure this was answered 100 times already, but when was this added?

[oblique trail]

Around 750~ per lining

[oblique trail]

Around 9 hours ago

[pearl sequoia]

you missed the chaos in chat

[bitter palm]

good

pure brainrot

[quartz gate]

Warrior = unplayable now

[slim grotto]

I know the OF/BS nerfs were expected and still manageable, but what is the consensus of the additional 3% overall?

[oblique trail]

That it's there

Won't change anythinf

[untold trench]

fury forever number 1!

[slim grotto]

So ideally we want to m+ as fury > arms still?

Not trying to stir the pot btw, just trying to prepare for tomorrow. Thanks

[pearl sequoia]

ddid raidbots change their weightings for fury, some stuff is simming higher now then it did before

[stable frost]

play the one you enjoy more

[half aurora]

is fury better on all bosses this raid or do you go arms for some

[bitter palm]

arms is better on st

and will be even better after the fury nerfs

[storm rune]

It's like 50/50 rn

[compact knot]

a lot of specs are prob better ST than fury

this raid is DESIGNED for fury tbh

[quartz gate]

Pure st = arms

[tired brook]

so expect nerfs

😎

[stable frost]

the heroic timings are, anyway

we'll see how it is in the actual raid

[lament ocean]

idk what to pick between JC or BS?

[untold trench]

they should design all raids for fury

fury should always be #1

[prisma rose]

And when next raid comes we can be left on the Dumpster lmao

[untold trench]

pretty much

hopefully we stay good though. ill never play arms lol

fury for life since BC

i tried arms and no lie fell asleep lol

[toxic bone]

can we get those mage tower reskins still???

that set is FLAMES

[heavy radish]

what kind of hotkey do you use for spear

[bitter palm]

same as troar

[tidal kindle]

Choco sweatin now @young swan

[oblique trail]

:gromnak:

[golden hare]

why blue above? visual bug?

[tidal kindle]

He was like

6th

On the meter

When I took that

[heavy radish]

im trying to connect spear with bladestorm

for macro. any advice

[oblique trail]

Don't macro it

[golden hare]

ggykw

[heavy radish]

alright

[oblique trail]

If anything just have a cursor or player spear macro

[buoyant salmon]

my crushing blow crit is consistently worse than my crit chance

:(

[tidal kindle]

Unluggy

[frank dawn]

Did you know that it is always better to be lucky instead of unlucky?

[tidal kindle]

Yes

I play lost ark

[frank dawn]

[odd star]

ayo comrades in unga
it was good to be top tier for 1 (one) week
now its time to become, once again, a working ass honest high-ish tier thats great at one thing
good night

[pearl crypt]

Arms feels like dogshit version of frost dk to me

[untold trench]

ive never really liked it lol i like fury's spammy nature just more fun for me

[pearl crypt]

Yessir

[untold trench]

and definitely prefer RA vs AM...because everything lines up nicely lol

[noble island]

With the possibility of arms being better suited for the pure ST fights + the m+ situation, do you reckon that dusktherad-lining has jumped up a few spots in the pecking order vs ascension?

The difference isn't that huge for pure ST

for fury that is

[bitter palm]

u play ascension on both

[noble island]

aah you do

then nvm

[bitter palm]

i personally value raid higher than m+ so i will craft whats better for raid (ascension)

if ur aim is m+ craft dusk lining ig

[grave light]

what's is best build to use in delves?

[oblique trail]

Personally just used whatever the slayer m+ setup is

[grave light]

jeah been playing with it my self to

[oblique trail]

Haven't had issues clearing solo with it, but supposedly thane is a bit better although not gonna bother trying it personally

[grave light]

^^

[golden hare]

odyn's fury can't melt raid boss adds

big boomkin is playing us like fools in heroic week... don't trust them..

[molten wing]

should probably get a "fury is still fine after the nerfs" macro ready for today

[lost saffron]

How about fury is still the best class in alot of content

[restive narwhal]

Do you Guys holding BS on Brood for Avatar or just send ?

[golden hare]

surely the post in #updates-midnight is enough

[heady saffron]

surely

[molten wing]

S U R E
U
R
E

[bitter palm]

guys i simmed post nerf fury

its over..

[sleek badge]

For parasites ?

[opal monolith]

Should i delete my fury warrior to clear up a space in my warband? Serious answers only

[sleek badge]

Btw on maxroll there's a good tip

You can pick ‍Piercing Howl for a strong AoE slow on the Blood Parasites.

[restive narwhal]

Thats great Tip !

[sleek badge]

Yeah I never 70% slow 8s, strong af

If I understand correctly, once a parasite hit a player, it kills itself and the player spawns 2 more parasite ?

How melee are supposed blastring them if them are never chain CC'ed ?

[glass dawn]

Can I get aaa hooooooooooooooyaaaaaaaa

[sleek badge]

GG

big W

[glass dawn]

Just killed this shit on HC

[lost saffron]

Good luck jumpin

[sleek badge]

aha yeah this trinket is weird af to use

idk how this gonna work in middle of fight

[bitter palm]

give me jumping i love jumping

[glass dawn]

LOL

[bitter palm]

at least the orb and the other thing always spawn on the top right

at least spongus said so

[radiant plank]

I got 4 stand in place things in a row last night

actual tumor ngl

[glass dawn]

I didnt know what you guys were talking about, I had to log in to see for myself lol

[bitter palm]

that is tumor ngl

those are the worst

by far

collect orb is fine u can triangulate its position

[radiant plank]

and its not like go there stand for 1s

its like 3s u hvae to stand still

[bitter palm]

its like 3 seconds

its evi

evil*

[radiant plank]

very evil

[bitter palm]

yeah i hope they make it 1-2 or just remove it

just make it an on use lmao why do i need to do a fucking minigame

if i want to do minigame i will go do m+

[radiant plank]

Also trying to see the place to stand on queen ansurek is

[molten wing]

i would just take the L and never loot this dogshit trinket and live life without stress

[radiant plank]

pilav xd emote

[sleek badge]

they should just make a 3 seconds cast and that's it

[bitter palm]

no they shouldnt

just make it instant

[sleek badge]

would be broken

[bitter palm]

wouldnt change anything

[radiant plank]

Can you guys help me spot where is my transmitter here :)

[sleek badge]

that's the problem

[bitter palm]

thats the worst part

u need to figure out timings

when to pop pre pull

so u get early enough

[sleek badge]

Can't change trinket middle of fight ?

[bitter palm]

so that u can figure it out before ur cds

having to figure it out while also having to do mechanics is cancer

[sleek badge]

BInd transmitter, use it on pull then switch to another one after opener

[bitter palm]

never tried it but i very much doubt it

[radiant plank]

nvm found it myself

[bitter palm]

cause i would see more than 0 cases of people abusing it

[bitter palm]

:XD:

[lost saffron]

You are playing melee, what mechanics do you have to play?

[radiant plank]

Theres these bomb

on queen

[bitter palm]

true....

[radiant plank]

that tick ashit load

and my terrorist mage blinks on top of me with that

The mechanics is avoiding your ranged from killing you

[bitter palm]

mages

classic

[radiant plank]

Ok but the trinket is not that bad if you think ahead

Like here

[bitter palm]

yeah

its got like 15 seconds

just pop it prepull

[exotic glacier]

how dare you think while playing warrior.

[bitter palm]

so it comes back earlier than ur cds always

[radiant plank]

Yep

I was using it 7s prepull

[bitter palm]

cursed

[radiant plank]

Also intervene

holy goated ability on queen

[bitter palm]

intervene my beloved

[native saffron]

Hi guys. For next weeks farm, i would like to get a better log on my hc first boss kill, hows does the cds align? So ofc on pull but do i then use OF on cd and iirc main cds become available in add phase. How does it lign up after that?

[junior gale]

Lorggs is your friend for cd timings

[radiant plank]

cds on cd

Boss will die before adds nxt week on hc anw

[native saffron]

Thats not the case for everyone

[native saffron]

Lorggs?

[junior gale]

website

[native saffron]

Will go check ty

[jaunty verge]

gotta sit on this for 1 more day

it's torturous staring at it

[halcyon musk]

why do you have to wait?

[radiant plank]

Too torturous

[hoary crystal]

what's your opinion guys about priority assistance addons like Hekili and HeroRotation?

[jaunty verge]

vault might yield goodies

[radiant plank]

shit

[jaunty verge]

Oof you got it worse

[halcyon musk]

oh true

[jaunty verge]

Need to wait till reset to figure out sparks, vault and then spend omnitoken after

patience is not my strong suite

[halcyon musk]

can you get tier from the vault? or in case you get something you want to catalyse?

[hushed ocean]

send it !

[rigid kestrel]

So with th nerfs and arms becoming more and more st spec.
The question leads to crafted wep, we dont want crit arms wants crit.

So what should The wep be crafted as to make best sence?

[hushed ocean]

you're fury war, don't wait, never, just send

[jaunty verge]

I use Hekili on all my chars to help me remember where I'm at with various rotations, I play like 6 different classes so it helps when im mid-fight and I forget wtf im supposed to be doing

[radiant plank]

Arms still likes mastery so its not end of world to go haste mastery

[rigid kestrel]

Dope thanks

[radiant plank]

You cna farm crit/haste jewelry

for when you hop on arms

[jaunty verge]

crit is still decent for fury

i've got 13% vers

very yucky

[rigid kestrel]

Got it might still go haste mast on craft then

[lost saffron]

Where did you find that info

[jaunty verge]

by simming all my stuff, crit isnt massively far behind haste/mast

Sat at 20% crit atm

[magic dock]

everyone should sim their character

( Pawn: v1: "Metalworks-Fury": Class=Warrior, Spec=Fury, Strength=13.39, Ap=12.78, CritRating=10.44, HasteRating=9.30, MasteryRating=12.66, Versatility=10.44, Dps=59.24, OffHandDps=17.93 )

eg: mine is very different to guides

[jaunty verge]

big mastery definitely king

[lost saffron]

Pawn

Not like this

Ahhhh

[magic dock]

it's from simcraft my dude

[lost saffron]

Thats not the point

once you swap out one item you have to import new stat weights

[bitter palm]

pawn is a meme

use raidbots

[magic dock]

oh sure

[lost saffron]

because they change

[covert blaze]

you're a meme

[bitter palm]

hi :#

:3

[lost saffron]

So you just sim every time anyways

so pawn is just useless

xDD

[covert blaze]

hello hello

[hallow sphinx]

you're a meme

[thick stump]

Fury brothers is fury dead

[magic dock]

mmm, not really, becuase the tooltip i ngame updates

[lost saffron]

It updates with the current statweights

[covert blaze]

guess ill change my banner now to that

[hallow sphinx]

its joever

[lost saffron]

but not with the new statweights you have

after swapping

[thick stump]

I want to cet

[hallow sphinx]

wym

[thick stump]

Cry

[young swan]

yeah

[lost saffron]

Yes fury is dead

[covert blaze]

my discord banner

[stiff escarp]

rip fury

[magic dock]

no, but if I get 2 drops from M+ for example, I know which to choose without alt-tabbing

[elder jolt]

Que simulator this season xD

[lost saffron]

You have to sim afterwards anyways, to get new weights

[magic dock]

sure, but not in that game session necessarily

[lost saffron]

And tbh you just kinda know which item is better just by looking at them after a while

if its just single item comparisons

[magic dock]

I do enjoy vibing the aura of pixels

I'm playing around, I understand what you mean

[bitter palm]

isnt pawn like

a 2012 wow thing

[magic dock]

dunno

103 million downloads, so maybe? but still seems pretty popular in current patch

[upbeat sentinel]

Who got the “let me get this straight” copypasta?

[royal crater]

should I craft weapon, im capped 90/90 runed habringer crests?

[bitter palm]

no

u cant get more anyway

[radiant plank]

Popularity doesnt mean its good

[magic dock]

sure

[tidal kindle]

McDonalds sells millions of burgers daily

[lost saffron]

I mean it technically is not bad but not for the intentded use

[tidal kindle]

McDonalds not good for you

[lost saffron]

It has other uses that are good

but most people dont need

[tidal kindle]

[magic dock]

I thought I would copy the pawn string as I "thought" it was popular

I don't rely on it, but I have it installed

[radiant plank]

Realistically

Pawn will have 0 influence on your gearing

[slender badger]

The majority who play the game doesn't sim. If they see a green arrow they equip the items without caring about the stats

[magic dock]

Pawn is an interface, it displays what my sims display but in game.

that's literally it

[radiant plank]

No it doesnt

[magic dock]

...

[radiant plank]

It displays your stat weights ingame

[lost saffron]

It does, for one iteration

[magic dock]

stat weights from sims

for 10000

[lost saffron]

No

[magic dock]

because i override

[lost saffron]

bro

[radiant plank]

shouldnt sim stat weights

[lost saffron]

you dont understand how it works

[magic dock]

ok

pls teach

[lost saffron]

or rather

I might be missunderstanding you

but the point is

even if you have stat weights from pawn

[magic dock]

they are not from pawn

[lost saffron]

one item might be worse than the other even though pawn says its correct

I mean if you use them, after importing

[magic dock]

I don't use default pawn weights

[radiant plank]

Stat Weights is an outdated tool to use but can still give some slight insight if used with the proper understanding.

99% of the time, you should avoid Stat Weights and stick with Top Gear, Droptimizer and Gear Compare to figure out which stats you want.

The way Stat Weights works is that it takes your loadout and simulates it six times.

Sim #1: No changes - Just a Quick Sim to find your baseline DPS.
Sim #2: +595 Primary Stat
Sim #3: +595 Mastery
Sim #4: +595 Crit
Sim #5: +595 Versatility
Sim #6: +595 Haste
It then calculates how much DPS each point of stat gave your character.

This isn't an accurate measure of each stats worth; therefore, adding a large chunk of that stat (+595) does not adequately account for how stats interact with each other. Specifically, if you add 1 point of versatility to your character, the next point of versatility has a slightly smaller value than the first. Consequently, investing 1 point in another stat is often more beneficial.

[upbeat sentinel]

Pawn still isn’t going to accurately tell you what’s an upgrade and what’s not

[lost saffron]

Exactly

If you get an item

with 150 more mastery and 50 more haste

and one item with 50 more mastery and 150 more haste

[tidal kindle]

Stat weights look at a snapshot of your characters stats
They can't account for dynamically adjusting wheny you swap gear

I'd only say stat weighting is relevant for super niche/nuanced decisions like "what trinket effect is better in X scenario" "do I have bigger burst w/ my alchemical flask stats right now or do I save and gamble for another roll?"

Etc

[lost saffron]

pawn might tell you one is better

but in sim the other might be better

because the stat weights change with every stat you gain

[magic dock]

that's a good write up, ty.

So how does Droptimizer work though, the backend is still rooted in SimulationCraft right?
i.e. https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki

[bitter palm]

the only time i found stat weights useful was trying to make augury sim neutral in S3 DF

and it wasnt me who did it it was ppaww

he was cooking with augury sims

[upbeat sentinel]

Droptimizer sims each drop AFAIK

[lost saffron]

Droptimizer just takes your character and replaces item one by one

[upbeat sentinel]

Doesn’t use stat weights

[lost saffron]

Yeh

[tidal kindle]

Droptemizer is just a preset of gear compare

[lost saffron]

You just sim the character with 1 item change

[magic dock]

yeah sweet, so it does the simcraft rule changes for you

[lost saffron]

and compare it to the base character

[magic dock]

rather than you typing every item, it will automate that process for you

[radiant plank]

Expected Value = The average % upgrade to expect if an item drops from the dungeon.
For example the 6 items from Ruby Life Pool have a total sum of 36+12+10+8.4+7.9+5.8 which is then divided by the total amount of items that can drop.
80 divided by 6 equals 13, hence 13%.
Best Value = The highest individual item upgrade from the dungeon.
The best thing to do in a vacuum is to go for the Expected Value, but keep in mind if you are planning to craft an item and didn't include it in the sim, that might offset which dungeon has the best expected value.

[magic dock]

and run it on their server

[lost saffron]

pretty much

[radiant plank]

basically droptimizer

Most effortles way to sim

is just

got a drop of gear?

Send top gear

[upbeat sentinel]

And just chase BiS trinkets like a degenerate

While not caring about stats on minor pieces

[magic dock]

I just don't want to pay for it lol, rather type it in the free engine GUI

or wait for queue

[bitter palm]

imo best way to sim is run droptimizer apply brain put into top gear with new feature and sim it

[magic dock]

imo, copy the string for the item that drops and hit run in SimulationCraft.exe

[lime tundra]

I have definitely got my $3 worth.

[bitter palm]

i mean you can run it locally sure if u have the horsepower

or if u are willing to bother with it

[magic dock]

it's 2024, surely everyone has the horsepower

[lime tundra]

Or $3

[bitter palm]

16 mil iterations would def take longer on my 7800x3d than 64 cores on their server

[magic dock]

about tree fiddy

[bitter palm]

iirc arma talked about this

[radiant plank]

You underestimate the amount of horsepower u need

[bitter palm]

its not about the power of the core but the amount

and swift sims use 64

[magic dock]

wtf, droptimizer does 16 mill iterations?

[bitter palm]

top gear

[restive narwhal]

If i have 6/8 HC, i dont have loot from last 2 Bosses HC unlocked for the Vault, or ?

[magic dock]

lemme test 16 mil, will report back on how long it takes with Ryzen 5600

[radiant plank]

Depends which 6 you killed

[bitter palm]

the sun will eat earth before u are halfway through

[restive narwhal]

First 6

[bitter palm]

nice edit

[radiant plank]

Then no

[lime tundra]

That sounds like more than $3 in electricity costs.

[radiant plank]

You need to have a kill on the boss itself or a boss that comes after it to be able to vault the loot

[magic dock]

we shall see, but maybe

[restive narwhal]

I killed all on nhc

[radiant plank]

wtf is nhc

thats 2 difficulties in 1 word

[restive narwhal]

normal

[bitter palm]

normal i think

[radiant plank]

so say normal

[bitter palm]

yeah i see it a lot

non heroic ig?

relic from the past

[radiant plank]

idk I only hear it from the Fr*nch

[lost saffron]

nhc sounds like something germans would say

[bitter palm]

:xd:

[lost saffron]

like twink instead of alt

[radiant plank]

But yeah even if its from normal it wont count

you need to ge the kill on respective difficulty

[restive narwhal]

Im German

[radiant plank]

:caught:

[restive narwhal]

Thank you.

[bitter palm]

are u in game

atm

can u send ur simc

[restive narwhal]

Are you Walli from Echo ?

[radiant plank]

I wish

[lost saffron]

@celest anchor

[restive narwhal]

😁

[bitter palm]

im glad im not

[radiant plank]

no

[covert blaze]

wallife from wish

[bitter palm]

imagine having to run 2380572 splits

[radiant plank]

Ask greg

he is stremaing

[bitter palm]

and have 4085723 chars

[radiant plank]

zolvir

[bitter palm]

@fickle bluff are u ingame

i need ur simc

wanna see how long 16 mil takes

[young swan]

right there

[lost saffron]

id rather do that and be done after two weeks

than spending 4 months in the content in a world 500 guild

ngl

[radiant plank]

New twitch banner ty

[bitter palm]

true ig but man it looks brutal

[restive narwhal]

There are almost 4 Weeks of Prep for Echo... Most of it trivial... It would drive me insane

[bitter palm]

ye its the fact that u are doing mind numbing content

[fickle bluff]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r8BQMz5CPDLzYCSZerKFAL

[bitter palm]

hoooly big sim

ty

[hardy cargo]

holy fuck that ring

[magic dock]

I gave up after 1 mil

it takes... a while

on 12 threads, high cpu prio

[bitter palm]

yeah thats why people sub to raidbots

[magic dock]

about 3minutes per mil

[bitter palm]

sometimes u need 16 mil top gears

and u dnt wanna wait

[magic dock]

I don't think anyone needs to 16 mil, the DR must be significant

[restive narwhal]

What are the Prices of Raidbots ?

[radiant plank]

"Yo bludksi can you send a quick top gear"
"Yeah gimme two days in running it locally"

[magic dock]

haha

[covert blaze]

me simming stat recrafts

[bitter palm]

if u are a demon

for dps

u will run those sims

oftn

[bitter palm]

classic

[magic dock]

I mean, the accuracy benefits would be negligible

[bitter palm]

15,245,000 done in 2.5min

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v6tEhcLJyUqN2q3UkPRF9w

[restive narwhal]

Which Keystone lvl do we have to do to farm the Crests we need for the 636 Weapon ?

[bitter palm]

@fickle bluff found u some upgrades

[fickle bluff]

[magic dock]

where are you reading 16mil?

[rapid canopy]

I believe they drop from 9+

[magic dock]

it's running 10k per item? is that the math here?

[restive narwhal]

Puuh. Thats gonna be rough this Week

[magic dock]

wtf, am I clizckign the wrong link?

[radiant plank]

Yo richman send the login

[bitter palm]

it doesnt show

[bitter palm]

guild

[radiant plank]

:caught:

[silk wharf]

Sims like that is why there are queues for premium

[torn drift]

im fairly new to warrior dps/fury, been mainly doing tanking. my sims say i should be doing up to 800k dps, but im reaching effective 600 to 700k. Not sure did i gear wrong siiince i see a lot of furies with 40+ mastery which i cant reach without flask on my current gear

any advice on what to focus?

[radiant plank]

sim vs target dummy

not patchwerk

go agane

[bitter palm]

need to optimize my char man

need to squeeze as much dps as possible

[magic dock]

anyway, I don't ever really need to sim against every possible combo coz I'm a scrub.. just need "is this drop, better than current or this other drop? "

[radiant plank]

Thats why topgear

is the most recommended tool

https://maxroll.gg/wow/resources/simulationcraft-and-raidbots-guide#top-gear-header

go read this

[magic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/jeremy-clarkson-dog-top-gear-gif-18951690

[magic dock]

aight, sounds like a time

[bitter palm]

jeremy clarkson making fun of americans compilation best video on youtube

[magic dock]

making fun of Americans is a good time

[narrow fossil]

After nerfs, Will be arms better than fury in 1 target and 2?

[magic dock]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[fading bane]

Yes, it already was

[radiant plank]

Arms was better before the nerfs

[narrow fossil]

Ohh didnt know hehe

And for m+??

[sullen dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aqD4D5LTz3sA3zBA5dtSjY help

[bitter palm]

low

im simming for 1.090 without sockets

lilbro get ur game up

(im in fact spreading misinformation)

(im NOT simming for 10.90 without sockets)

[radiant plank]

im not simming

[bitter palm]

the fuck how u all got maps and shit

i will just own and get ring from queen

true

[molten wing]

get ring and trinket from queen

[crystal radish]

Do you have any macro for Kiss of Death trinket so it won't cast until after x seconds ? Sometimes I click it two times and cancel the aura

[vocal igloo]

does odyn's fury pandemic?

[gusty compass]

Alright guys our time is done. We are fucked now

[heavy galleon]

Blizzard hates us

[gusty compass]

Blizzard always fucks us around fucking rats

[upbeat sentinel]

Another aura nerf is on its way

In the distance I foresee -8%

[idle wolf]

3% to our move speed

Then 3% to our height…

[molten wing]

instead of a nerf they will just buff SMF by 10%

[upbeat sentinel]

And then 3% to.. 🫢

[covert blaze]

I can't one up from mobile unlucky

[upbeat sentinel]

Blizzard is nerfing our dingdongs man

[halcyon cedar]

So ...Change to arms 🤔

[molten wing]

Arms might slightly pull ahead on the ST fights

6 out of 8 fights favor heavily Fury despite the nerfs

[upbeat sentinel]

We want 8/8

ALL OR NOTHING

[bitter palm]

hoooly this is evil

[upbeat sentinel]

Blizzard has committed crimes against the best warrior spec

[bitter palm]

i can sense evil intentions

[buoyant salmon]

wallife is padding on sikran rn

no way..

[lofty delta]

Isn't it 5/8 silken court looks like an arms fight

Two single target bosses + silken court

[covert blaze]

how

[buoyant salmon]

you can play either spec for all bosses

[buoyant salmon]

padding on adds

[marsh rapids]

You can also reroll

[upbeat sentinel]

Ya if you like doing suboptimal dps!!!!

[marsh rapids]

Whats the point?

[buoyant salmon]

reroll to what

one of 5 or so better specs in the game?

[marsh rapids]

What is the point of ur statement?

[buoyant salmon]

ok man go for it

[covert blaze]

That's a single target right no?

[buoyant salmon]

wdym whats the point of my statement

[buoyant salmon]

yes

[bitter palm]

bro i cant this chat

[covert blaze]

Am I going crazy

[marsh rapids]

You can play either on any fight

[buoyant salmon]

im saying arms and fury are equally viable for every boss

[covert blaze]

Oh I lacked context

[buoyant salmon]

and whats better depends on your role in the raid

[bitter palm]

facts

[covert blaze]

I'm trolling

[bitter palm]

boss dam = arms add dam = fury

as it should be

[lofty delta]

Arms is better boss damage, fury adds

[calm quartz]

[marsh rapids]

Why would u want a mid tier dps to prio boss when we are nr 1 add dps?

[quartz tulip]

who cares abour prio on adds or boss

we need details prio

[lofty delta]

Cus adds might already die fast enough??

[quartz tulip]

TOP DAM

ALWAYS

[lofty delta]

Welcome to mythic group optimization

You might dump your add damage cus the adds are already dying fast enough to increase boss damage

[marsh rapids]

I thought we were talking about optimal/best

[fading bane]

They die fast cus of fury

[marsh rapids]

Anything is viable

[fading bane]

When i played queen ansurek on pala i went full ST

[marsh rapids]

So literally no point talking about viable

[fading bane]

Why hold cds for adds that 1 warrior solos

[marsh rapids]

Cause the warr is arms and doesnt solo😝

[buoyant salmon]

depends on waht your role is in the raid

[quartz tulip]

to do damage

no one goes in with a role

ez

[lofty delta]

Where tho, where are you doing that damage? 😛

[molten wing]

i'm pretty sure if you bring a warrior on Ansurek its gonna be a fury for the adds plenty of good specs that would be there for the boss dam

[sterile remnant]

In my raid we rotate 2 fury wars for each add on last boss

[buoyant salmon]

if you bring two warriors no shot you play 2 fury

[sterile remnant]

Rest of the grp just kill the boss

[molten wing]

why not

[buoyant salmon]

if you play even just 1 warrior, depending on your team and how cds align you might playa rms too

[fading bane]

You definetly play 2 fury

[marsh rapids]

2 fury is via le

Viable

[molten wing]

considering you don't know what happens on each platform on mythic

[fading bane]

Last phase adds aswell

And 2 intermission sides

[lofty delta]

Your face is viable 🙂

[buoyant salmon]

arms does good aoe as well

they just dont have odyns fury for 1 second burst aoe

[fading bane]

But then you have to spec it

[molten wing]

^

[fading bane]

And if you spex aoe on arms

[buoyant salmon]

no you dont

[fading bane]

Why arent u playing fury instead

[buoyant salmon]

you have bladestorm and roar

good aoe

[sterile remnant]

Im expecting 2 fury for last boss mythic comps even. Cds allign really well

[molten wing]

same for fury which is better on that fight

nothing more to it

[buoyant salmon]

youll probablyt see 1 fury 1 arms for every single boss

on the raid

[night cedar]

In theory now arms is better at pure ST encounter right?

[marsh rapids]

Depends on the rest of the grp comp tbh

[buoyant salmon]

yes

[molten wing]

if that's the case people would be doing it

[buoyant salmon]

again, i agree

as i said

[sterile remnant]

Pure ST yea but you dont have alot of those

[buoyant salmon]

but still probably 1 fury 1 arms for most/all bosses

[fading bane]

You’d just play 2x fury or 2x arms depending on the boss

[marsh rapids]

What does arms bring that other classes dont do better?

[sterile remnant]

Rally 🤣

[buoyant salmon]

tanky good damage brings rally 1:30 profile

all great for this raid

[quartz tulip]

me after the nerds going to go play anything other than warrior now

[buoyant salmon]

execute which doesnt seem to matter right now but can matter

[quartz tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

[sterile remnant]

Really depends on last boss hp on mythic

On heroic its too low for executes

[narrow fossil]

Where can i see the dmg % upgrade for arms and fury tiers?

[fading bane]

There is a sheet

[ornate gust]

None

[night cedar]

4pc is a nightmare

[sterile remnant]

Both ofvem are shit 🤣

[fading bane]

But its like 2% fury 2.5% arms

[sterile remnant]

Less than 3%

[sterile remnant]

Aye

[narrow fossil]

So with the tier we got another "nerf" compared with other classes

[buoyant salmon]

not exactly how that works

[night cedar]

Tbh most of the players who's complete hc has 4pc

[sterile remnant]

True but

[night cedar]

I think

[quartz tulip]

im missing 1 pc for 4 set and 6/8 heroic with like 600k gold invested into my warr

and im gunna reroll

[sterile remnant]

If bosz lives like 2 min in executions only

[quartz tulip]

more than likely

[buoyant salmon]

why are you gonna reroll lol

[quartz tulip]

because the nerfs wont stop

[calm quartz]

Cya

[quartz tulip]

they are gunna

[calm quartz]

[quartz tulip]

slam us and coffinpost this spec

[sterile remnant]

Just go fury for adds and let others handle the boss

[quartz tulip]

till we are stuck playing arms

[magic dock]

wish I could tell the future man

[buoyant salmon]

no they arent

[quartz tulip]

and im not doing that

[buoyant salmon]

and arms is good

if ur a reroller reroll to arms

figure it out.

[sterile remnant]

But still

[quartz tulip]

arms might be good but

the playstyle is dog shit

[buoyant salmon]

no its not

figure it out

[quartz tulip]

nope

dont care

to

[buoyant salmon]

get better

[quartz tulip]

going green class

[magic dock]

if you're gonna come, you better come correct.

[quartz tulip]

laters

[sterile remnant]

You can play what ever spec and you have a good impact

[north edge]

imagine only investing 600k

[buoyant salmon]

monk just got nerfed

[night cedar]

Fury still better at 90% of the bosses cause damage profile

[sterile remnant]

Prot fury arms

[tribal flint]

I saw someone say you can play arms with thunder clap and it’s way easier

[honest crystal]

I find arms clunky. I spent all this week getting mastery gear and enchants because i played fury and now I have to switch it up for Arms :p

[north edge]

I socketed my 577 rings

[night cedar]

Wtf

[north edge]

For 50k per setting

[marsh rapids]

Reroll colossus prot and stay in bstance✌️

[quartz tulip]

the worst part

is having to recraft

everything

[buoyant salmon]

stats dont matter at all

craft without a missive it doesnt matter

[north edge]

Haste mastery is fine for arms

[fading bane]

No one has 4pc

[north edge]

Not optimal but not much different

[night cedar]

Rly?

[fading bane]

Unless they fuck everyone else in the raid

Maybe 2pc

[north edge]

Everyone that’s done heroic aotc

[quartz tulip]

????????????

[fading bane]

You hold curios

[honest crystal]

im already 508 2-set

[north edge]

Has farmed WUE tier

Kill the tier bosses 20x

[fading bane]

False

[north edge]

They are bugged

[fading bane]

Wdym lmao

I know

[buoyant salmon]

i could have 5p rn

[marsh rapids]

604 0-set 1/8 hc sadge

[buoyant salmon]

if ur broke just say that

ratio

[fading bane]

But not everyone with aotc abuses

[north edge]

I’ve got 4 set for my alts

That’s never stepped in raid

[quartz tulip]

6/8 heroic pugging and thats it

[buoyant salmon]

wdym abuse just loot 2 tier pieces

[fading bane]

Did queen in 2 splits yday, no cringe exploiting

[buoyant salmon]

and u have 4p

[north edge]

Abuse early abuse often, get banned for 4 days slap on the wrist

[fading bane]

He is talking about warbound gear abuse

[bitter palm]

u dont have to

[marsh rapids]

2x 619 weps must be Nice 🤩

I’ve got sub 600 2x 😦

[fading bane]

Crests 👉 bin

619 wep is like 60 wasted hc crests

[quartz tulip]

who cares

[north edge]

You can buy 3 pieces of 616 gear

[quartz tulip]

we arent world first raiding

[north edge]

And gear up easily atm

[calm quartz]

Blud really has 2 piece, a weapon, and brood ring

"that's it"

[north edge]

Only costs like 1mil total

[calm quartz]

Your mindset is so cringe

[quartz tulip]

ok pay for my sub so i can be like you

otherwise ill complain how i ant

want

surely

[buoyant salmon]

my gear is shit bro

[quartz tulip]

yeah man

idk

about this gear

[buoyant salmon]

i have 590 boots ur chilling brother

[molten wing]

also tomorrow i believe we get the actual "Kill Ansurek" Quest which gives you the heroic crest to craft anyway

[unreal onyx]

Nice empty socket

[fading bane]

Its very likely

[buoyant salmon]

thanks

[tribal flint]

Fury is gonna be stronger than arms for keys though right

[quartz tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-rogers-nightmare-clown-gif-5401671

[buoyant salmon]

noone knows

[north edge]

I just want to be meta in keys

For one fucking season

[quartz tulip]

never will happen

[buoyant salmon]

why

[north edge]

Having to play dh for most of DF

Was not fun

[buoyant salmon]

you didnt have to?

[north edge]

Yes because I don’t get invited to keys by my friends

Unless I’m meta

[open flax]

Get better friends

[buoyant salmon]

theyre not your friends

[north edge]

Well they’re the only decent players that will push title

[buoyant salmon]

thats some super corny shit

[north edge]

And playing warrior doesn’t help

[buoyant salmon]

were you playing vdh?

[north edge]

No I was havoc

In s2 and s3

After the remake

[quartz tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-falling-building-fall-woodz-gif-24715383

[buoyant salmon]

s2 warrior was better

s3 thats more understandable but still warrior wa sgreat

[copper patio]

Asking if a melee dps will be meta in keys lmao

[buoyant salmon]

yawn take

has happened before

will happen again

[north edge]

Can’t remember , I made the dh after the rework , was prob s3

Reolled ret after the rework too

That was fun for a while

[copper patio]

Before changes to target caps yeah

[buoyant salmon]

ww rogue surv rogue again enhance rogue again

rogue ww enhance havoc were all very popular in s1

the most balanced season ever

half of the meta contender dps were melee

top team ran 2 melee dps

[north edge]

Then came the Augs

And melee was never seen again in top keys

[buoyant salmon]

correlation isnt causation

mage in s3 was egregiously overtuned

[plucky ice]

boys how we doing. is it over

[buoyant salmon]

spriest in s4 was egregiously overtuned

[plucky ice]

[buoyant salmon]

spec is good

[north edge]

Still good for raid

Maybe not s tier in keys

[formal finch]

dude chill your 2 2hands. just a nerv. still broken burst/broken dmg

[jaunty verge]

imagine getting weapon drops

[grim prism]

it's so over boys

3% gg noobs go next uninstall no remake

[rotund ginkgo]

We need to doom more for blizz gods to unnerf

[quartz tulip]

imagine not doing heroic week 1? are u a loser?

https://tenor.com/view/glowin-in-the-dark-glowin-in-the-dark-gif-25328236

[paper aurora]

These sound like extremely aggressive nerfs… how concerned should we be??

[quartz tulip]

very concerned unplayable

idk how that gif showed up

[paper aurora]

R u scarcasming or? Its not entirely obvious lol @quartz tulip

[buoyant salmon]

3% is a big number i agree

[molten wing]

huh Bountiful Delves are now giving me two heroic crests from one of the blue chests

[buoyant salmon]

class is fine

[grim prism]

3% is the THIRD smallest number

translator's note: go arms

[grim prism]

also delete this before the cops show up

[hollow elk]

quick keep talking so it goes up

[plucky ice]

im prepared to play 3% better

[grim prism]

literally impossible

i think gladiator prot warrior might pull ahead of foory now

[sage hearth]

guys, i have a question

[rotund ginkgo]

That's it. Furry is doomed.

[formal finch]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-furries-fursuit-furry-hugs-hug-gif-24086340

[rotund ginkgo]

Bro edging us

[plucky ice]

nah we will outgear the nerf

[rotund ginkgo]

You have permission to ask

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1036769769543704576.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[calm quartz]

[formal finch]

now you have to switch to the real warry sepc

[tidal heron]

The trick to counter the nerfs is actually to finally equip that second two hander!

[rotund ginkgo]

Just play smf and it's like the nerf never happened

[plucky ice]

[quartz tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-gif-8658222786598785658

me and who

[plucky ice]

bro no

[quartz tulip]

u phobic or something?

[sage hearth]

what should i do, if i ran out of fury and have no rampage

[quartz tulip]

press buttons

[sage hearth]

what skill i should use?

[quartz tulip]

LMAO

[oblique trail]

Then you build rage up for another rampage

The wowhead guide has a priority you juts follow

[sage hearth]

like on a cleave build vs single target

[quartz tulip]

i swear i cant man

[lone sage]

Funnily enough i remember fury war on df week 1 they were great (before people got tier) and they got gutted early. Seems to be a recurring pattern LOL

[quartz tulip]

go to a different class

[plucky ice]

warr always gets nerfed when top

it's not allowed