fury

[tired brook]

fury feels great af rn

played ret in season 4 and it was alright, no clue how it plays rn

[vapid tiger]

were the fury nerfs a hotifx or on tuesday?

[oblique trail]

On reset

[vapid tiger]

ty

[night relic]

get ur parses before reset pepela

[violet estuary]

big nerfs? Not that I would notice ofc

[oblique trail]

Fairly insignificant nerfs

[burnt kelp]

fury feels pretty good, would recommend

[oblique trail]

Hurts our frontloaded burst a bit but still very strong

[burnt kelp]

I heard all the retoilets cry about their spec so I'm not sure about ret

ofc they are paladins so they cry all the time

[idle wolf]

Does WCL normalize after nerfs?

[oblique trail]

No

[winter shoal]

o7 go crank some raids and M+ now friend

[violet estuary]

cool, thx! ill quickly unlock new dwarf and roll fury then

[oblique trail]

Unless it's significant changes to the games, like .5 patches, then it wont change into new partitions

[summer lodge]

Ret is great atm not much to complain about

[burnt kelp]

yeah I don't trust what paladins say

[coarse nest]

Now instead of being 2x everyones damage on queen we’ll be just ahead of everyone

[burnt kelp]

them and boomkins

[coarse nest]

Oh no we’re in shambles

[night relic]

true

[sick jungle]

time to re-roll arcane

[granite glade]

dead spec?

[coarse nest]

Not even close to dead

Nerfs were pretty easy on us

[granite glade]

was joking 😂

sweet

[coarse nest]

It targeted the correct problem imo

[delicate thicket]

the problem is that they give adds no life

[burnt kelp]

I would have liked if powerful enrage was targeted

die powerful enrage die

[delicate thicket]

die how

[burnt kelp]

removing it

[granite glade]

lmao

[unique frigate]

Hey, if i get first crit with bloodbath, then with bloodthirst does it overwrite or add to the gushing wounds?

[oblique trail]

You just extend Gushing

[tired brook]

do we need to track anything else other than whirlwind (talented) and MfE?

[unique frigate]

Allright

[prime wind]

Yo boys, what do you guys think is better in general? Mark of khardros or Skarmorak Shard? Simmed both but it doesn't really take into account the effect that when adds get killed gives from shard

[oblique trail]

They're more or less equal, but Skarmorak will be slightly better assuming you can get stacks for it

[signal gyro]

swap between fights depending on use, check wc logs and you'll see some people doing some changes depending on fight

[prime wind]

Alright, ty

[visual silo]

Whats the procentage cap on secondary stats for fury ?

[spare steppe]

Wait the 610 pvp craft has a socket?

[visual silo]

atm i have 42 mastery

[signal gyro]

you can add sockets with an item you buy with honour and gems

to pvp items

[spare steppe]

Well shit I need to look that up

[oblique trail]

There are none, don't think about stat %'es. Just sim yourself on raidbots with top gear and use whatever it tells you

[spare steppe]

Cause I made pvp bracers and didn’t realize that

[sick jungle]

yeah crit is taking off for me rn

every time I sim it picks the gear with crit

[storm lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2qvQbpjwJTMp8DzuozAdWX

Raidbot is drunk right? ( Trinket sim)

[signal gyro]

I should sim that trinket now I have a 610 from a delve

[harsh crest]

What would it take/what would be the best way to bring MT into competition with slayer without becoming definitely better?

[hard widget]

Jesus

[storm lantern]

More single target damage, it's really what hurts MT

[signal gyro]

MT's multitarget is incredible

[pearl sequoia]

whats the item to put sockets on rings again?

[signal gyro]

what is killing it is the single target damage in comparison

the buffs are a good start

[storm lantern]

jewel something, type that in the auction house

[pearl sequoia]

aight, forgot about those

see what the prices are

[hard widget]

Theyre 10k ish

On eu

[visual silo]

Guys is single target Culling Cyclone or Brutal Finsih?

[oblique trail]

Pure ST you use Culling Cyclone

[sleek badge]

Is MT gonna be better than Slayer for mythic/multi target bosses in raid after the tunings ?

Slayer was slightly better so

in multi target

[visual silo]

ty

[coarse nest]

They buff thunder blast and the lightning bolts by like 300%

Then it’ll compete with slayer

[oblique trail]

MT was only slightly better for AoE, but a lot worse in ST. This hasn't changed

[left elk]

Such a bummer, its so fun to play

[signal gyro]

must just be specific to you current gear loadout, because mine is not putting detachable first at same ilvl of sac/shard

but it's close shrug

[storm lantern]

My be because of my secundaries weight, yeah

And shard will definitly pulls way ahead in M+

[signal gyro]

but according to my current gear, my fang is 40k ahead of my heroic sacbrood, so maybe I should just give it a whirl until I get an upgraded one

[golden badge]

how much of dps increase is ascension emblem with nerubian thingie? I can't seem to find pins or anything to sim it

[oblique trail]

Compared to no embellishments, a lot

But you can just check in top gear if you want to check for yourself

[hot topaz]

mythic opens tomorrow correct? along with getting our second spark?

[golden badge]

I'm just not sure if I want to pull the trigger, as it's 60k+ to craft

[storm lantern]

M+ does open next reset, yes

[chrome plover]

you should have second spark already

[storm lantern]

We will be at 2.5 sparks

[oblique trail]

That's entirely up to you. If you want a cheap option, 2x Lining is roughly 2-3% behind Ascension on ST and better for M+

[hot topaz]

i meant Mythic raid but im guessing both open.

[storm lantern]

I went Lining for those 610 pvp crafts

will go ascencion with real crafts

[oblique trail]

Everything opens up

M+ and Mythic raid

[hot topaz]

i honestly haven't paid attention to m spark situation since i wasnt planning on crafting till raid was fully open

i probably have both

[storm lantern]

If you're active, you most likely have both yes

[slender coral]

How much of each enhancement stat should I have? Do I need more haste?

[oblique trail]

Sim yourself on raidbots with top gear, it'll tell you

[hot topaz]

im unsure what my best embellishment situation will be. Im a mythic raider for my guild but I also do a lot more than my 8 M+ a week, especially early.

[oblique trail]

But at a glance your haste is very low

[radiant plank]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[golden badge]

really low on haste

[hot topaz]

pretty sure as a general guideline its haste-> crit but simming your own character with each individual upgrade you make will yield bst results

[golden badge]

I have 18% now and it feels bad

[hushed falcon]

I’m in the same boat and can’t deceide

[hot topaz]

its still early, so id guess main stat is still maybe higher value than any secondary.

[radiant plank]

wrong channel bud

we are in fury

[brisk python]

what do i pick? im new to fury

[storm lantern]

Crit is our least important stat

( still has a good ratio tho)

[sleek badge]

Any opinion on Droptimizer from Raidbots ? Is it worth ? I'm lazy, checking eveytime my gear and the BiS and trying to find which dungeon to spam first.

[night relic]

reading helps

[golden badge]

raid st slayer and raid mt slayer, atleast for raid+m0

[native wadi]

Your most important stat is ehat ever the robot says

[hot topaz]

oh you right. too much time spent in prot spec so far

[radiant plank]

Ye its good

[brisk python]

im prob going for mythic+ mostly as im more casual

[sleek badge]

Ty

[oblique trail]

Droptimiser is a good way to get an overview of items to go for, yes

[golden badge]

so grab m+ build for it too

[brisk python]

balanced?

With slayer

[golden badge]

yep

[brisk python]

thank you 🙂

[oblique trail]

I don't read messages from Arms fanatics

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[brisk python]

one last question, i managed to craft the wrong item, but wil it still be better then a 450 ilvl 2h?

[night relic]

ouch

[brisk python]

yep..

[night relic]

go prot shield with that

[brisk python]

aight ill save that one then

[storm lantern]

Go SMF

smug~1

[brisk python]

OMG fury is strong lol

[golden badge]

I play it on one of my alts just for mog, feels giga weird

[brisk python]

literally 1 shotting mobs

[golden badge]

it's like playing glad stance in SoD, you have the skills but lack that bit of damage and stats

[dense elbow]

It is all fun and games, untill mobs no longer gets oneshot by us

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-12869046600151364058

[brisk python]

Its important to keep whirlwind up right

for the damage buff?

ahh just if multiple targets

[fickle cedar]

just to confirm you only need 1 key for bountiful + map treasure right ?

[fickle cedar]

yeah on >=2

[pearl sequoia]

yes

the map chest is free

[storm lantern]

Yes, the map chest is free

[golden badge]

is it confirmed to be only 1 map per week?

saw many people claiming it got fixed from people getting 3-5 maps to just 1

[storm lantern]

I got 4 total

[hot topaz]

i think ive gotten multiple maps? i also think guildies have gotten multiple.

[storm lantern]

This week

[hard widget]

Apparently there is no cap to how many u can get

[pearl sequoia]

??? you got 4 maps this week

[hard widget]

Its just RNG

[golden badge]

i used 20 keys and 1 map, did 40 delves on alts 3-8 and no map there

[storm lantern]

Except glove and boots that are pvp crafted, all my 610s comes for treasure maps

[dreamy hemlock]

is there any real difference between the weapons? I see for example Charged Claymore on wowhead but Everforged greataxe on maxroll

[hard widget]

No difference

[signal gyro]

I got 5 keys, 4 of the rewards were the same cloak

maps I mean

[storm lantern]

Weapon type is irrelevant

Weapon type talents are long long gone

[hot topaz]

mog matters. but they normalized white swing dps a long long time ago.

[golden badge]

I remember someone saying that only in pvp whatever has higher max hit is better but I do not pvp so don't know

[dense elbow]

To be fair, there is a minor diff on top end and low end dam - so if you want to truely minmax RNG minmax then you go axe

get those 300-400 dam more top ends

[dreamy hemlock]

cheers all for answers

[hot topaz]

👍

[sleek badge]

How Delver's Bounty works ? (The map)

I got one but just ignored it lol

[hard widget]

U click it, then next delve u do u get an extra reward

That is higher ilvl

Make sure to do a bountiful +8 at least tho

[glass kelp]

can i macro a trinket with a skill so i can ease up my rotation ?

[hard widget]

Which trinket?

[sleek badge]

Should I clear my daily delve before ?

[hard widget]

U can just activate it, and then do a +8 bountiful delve

[sleek badge]

Ty

[chrome plover]

doesnt even need to be bountiful

it just adds a chest to the next delve you do

[hard widget]

It does

[chrome plover]

but who is doing non-bountiful delves

[hard widget]

Because otherwise ur scamming urself

[chilly comet]

pls explain

[sleek badge]

So if it's bountiful I'll get bountiful chest + the chest from the map ?

[hard widget]

Tier 8 bountiful delve will award u 610 ilvl

[chrome plover]

oh does it give lower ilvl in non bountiful

[glass kelp]

its not a bis one , its Mark of Khardros

[hot topaz]

map only puts a chest in your next bountiful.

[hard widget]

That is bis

U can macro it in ur burst macro as long as u put it before avatar

[sleek badge]

Thanks for the explanations

[glass kelp]

i currently have reck & ava macro'd can i add it to them ?

[hard widget]

As long as u put it before avatar

[storm lantern]

Nah, those bounties gives Hero track 610 loots

Bountyful delve or not

as long as you have got one in a 8

[chrome plover]

i thought that was the case too

[night relic]

is it unethical to hold bladestorm and roar on brood

[chilly comet]

lmao

[hard widget]

Nope

Just do it

Fuck em

[night relic]

YEAH

FUCK EM

[hard widget]

😂

[chilly comet]

one time i held bladestorm for a full 3 mins in case adds spawned

[hot topaz]

in heroic I was able to farm my bladestorm back on most pulls.

coulda just been giga sudden death rng tho

[hard widget]

Just look at what people did on warcraftlogs

[night relic]

theres 5 fucking warrs in this pug

all hungering for the juice

[hard widget]

Ur not parsing brother

[night relic]

i can reach 1.5

[burnt kelp]

[radiant plank]

not even joking on ovinax

[night relic]

if i precast on time

[radiant plank]

its more important to kill the adds

than the boss

[storm lantern]

Fury are padding it, so we pad it too.

[hot topaz]

true.

[burnt kelp]

leave some adds for the rest of the raid

[hot topaz]

those parasites are spooky.

[chilly comet]

mods should pin this

[turbid gate]

is this weapon sim bait?

[hard widget]

Its good in ST

But ull replace it next week

[turbid gate]

its sims like crazy

[hard widget]

Because its a good weapon

[turbid gate]

so next week best option is wildhammer and crafter sword with emb?

crafted*

[chilly comet]

How much should we play around opportunist? In a situation where you have just enough rage to rampage and multiple gcd's worth of enrage left, should i keep sending raging blow to fish for a proc, then rampage and use opportunist on crushing blow? or just send rampage for another crushing blow charge

[hard widget]

Since we didnt see any tuning, we're probably craftin 636 wep and just upgrading an m+ wep to 626 for free

[hard widget]

Under 100 rage

However if u have oppertunist u rampage

[acoustic barn]

Can we use Everforged Great Axe as the crafted wep over the Charged Claymore?

[turbid gate]

Not sure if it works that way, i think u need 2 weapons for free upgrades?

[hard widget]

Doesnt matter

[hard widget]

No u can upgrade second wep for free

[turbid gate]

lol nice

[radiant plank]

Dont play around opportunist

you will not notice it on your log

[hard widget]

It is 0.2% dps by playing around it

You can and will notice it if you want to do the best damage you can

If it was neglectable they wouldnt put it in the APL

[radiant plank]

@fickle bluff Need confirmation here

I havnt played fury this expac yet

[hard widget]

Just ask archi

[radiant plank]

0.2 or 0.02

hmmge

[hard widget]

For reference:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1T8xCSeCwKrTQgZ3k79bZn
this is with the tracking oppertunist ^
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v3NQgwu92DKn3rWLwXfYhu

Second one is without

[chilly comet]

hmm kind of disappointing tbh, was hoping for a lil more payoff

[radiant plank]

Wont make or break a R1 vs R2

[hard widget]

That logic makes no sense

[chrome plover]

what about a r1000 vs r1001

[radiant plank]

TRUE

[radiant plank]

why not

[hard widget]

If u just start ignoring stuff that is better because u dont think its gonna make a diff anyways, u'll start noticing that shit will add up real fast

Meanwhile "droptimizer 0.1% upgrades is bis"

[teal pine]

Basically if you have the brainpower to look for it at that moment you should. If you're dealing with mechanics or whatever else dont stress about it

[storm lantern]

At same ilvl and ST it's better. AOE it's poo poo

[radiant plank]

Easier to ignore a small extra thing to track on my WA than a piece of gear that has 0 effect on my gameplay and focusing on boss mechanics

[hard widget]

Yeah but saying ignoring stuff in the APL wont matter if ur aiming for rank 1's is weird logic

[lost thorn]

I am always aiming for the groin

ez win

[primal anchor]

stuggling on weapons but have 1h's how would you make this SMF.

[hard widget]

Put ur loot spec on arms so u dont loot 1h's anymore. SMF is way worse than Titans grip, but i believe people drop bloodcraze for it

[radiant plank]

No but my statement is based on that it is such a small dps gain that you can ignore it and still parse R1

[hard widget]

Yeah but do that to 5 things, and ur an entire % behind

Thats my point

There is multiple "min-max" statements in the APL

Cant just start ignoring all of em

[runic cypress]

like this

[radiant plank]

Yeah ofc there is many

but the opportunist thing is the most complicated

well not really complicated but

[hard widget]

I agree its not the easiest

[radiant plank]

the execute conditionals are the most complicated part of this spec ngl

[modest condor]

love it when you go into a pack and you have 3 stacks of marked before bladestorm is even over

[pearl sequoia]

thats a weird looking warrior talent tree

[forest berry]

crafting friends did you put mast/vers on your crafted weapon since or u went hast/mastery ?

[runic cypress]

Its the SMF tree

[sick jungle]

whoa whoa whoa hold the fuck up stop all of your conversations

afenar is back to making his WA

[radiant plank]

I thought afenar was a her

[sick jungle]

umm

i did not know that

afenar is back to making her WAs

[chilly comet]

you mean execute at 3x MFE over CB? or is there more nuance with 0/1/2 stacks

[hard widget]

I just made a weakaura to make a sound when to execute

[radiant plank]

yeh

[hard widget]

Now its easy

[radiant plank]

sound played?

execute

[hard widget]

Exactly

[sick jungle]

link pls or is it your AJ one

[hard widget]

I actually got 2 kekw

I need to combine em

[sick jungle]

kekw

[hard widget]

https://wago.io/SuKT7KC8I
https://wago.io/r3yFgU_JO

I use these 2

[sick jungle]

bet

[hard widget]

Ill probably combine em at 1 point

[radiant plank]

shldnt be hard

add 1 more condition

[hard widget]

Yeah just been busy with other stuff

[brisk python]

No wonder i struggeled in delves, i just did a tier 6 without any combat role for my brann or idol lol

[radiant plank]

are u rading jeve

this tier

[hard widget]

Yes

[pearl sequoia]

i dont get tracking ashen, wouldnt you be pressing execute within the time span to keep it up during your general rotation

[radiant plank]

Where uat

[hard widget]

I joined Synergize

[pearl sequoia]

atleast it feels like that for me

[radiant plank]

Nice

[hard widget]

I kinda realised 3 days before the expansion i'd be fucked if i didnt raid

😂

The ilvl gap is massive

[radiant plank]

Bludski is juiced wtf

608

[hard widget]

Yepyep

[fickle bluff]

wuh

[radiant plank]

Opportunist thing

ignore or ramp when it procs

[subtle raven]

thats so smart

im using that twin

[chilly comet]

so for marked for execution, is 3 stack the only time you send execute over crushing blow? does having 0/1/2 stacks ever change priority?

[fickle bluff]

its like 0.2 yeah

[radiant plank]

yeppers

[fickle bluff]

what you linked was mine vs public

which is variance

[golden hare]

fury is so advanced this tier too much for me...

[hard widget]

Like i said, u can have it in 1 but i havent gotten around to it

[hard widget]

Its not that bad

[chrome plover]

erga noo

[subtle raven]

i only need the 3 mark of execution

[hard widget]

That works too

[lost thorn]

so guys what is the deal with the darkmoon weapon embelishment according to logs it constantly falls off even in "constantly hittin the boss" scenarios doesnt that make it kinda garbo?

[edgy widget]

Ascension isn't a single buff, it gives you a random secondary for 15s

[chilly comet]

what sound did u pick? im a "kaching" gamer so thats the one i picked for 3 stacks

[lost thorn]

or is it a logs thing that I am just not good enough to read

oh I get it true

[edgy widget]

So yeah, the individual buffs might fall off, but you'll always have some buffs running and restacking every 8s

[lost thorn]

yeah tbh I am dumb could have thought of that thanks

[edgy widget]

each buff can stack to 10 but that's not really a goal - the high stack count is just there to ensure that triggering Haste 3 times in a row isn't wasted

[hard widget]

https://wago.io/SuKT7KC8I I updated it

Now the marked for execution condition is in there too

[subtle raven]

thnx daddy

[patent tundra]

could someone summerize mountain thane spell prio?

since no one plays it theres no actual guides for it

[hard widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

There is guides for it

[patent tundra]

so TB over everything?

[sleek badge]

How do you plan to combine both ?
Tell to execute if 3 stack either Tell to execute Jugger is about to expire ?

[idle wolf]

What sort of uptime should we be able to achieve with good gameplay on ashen juggernaut? I feel like it’s falling off a decent amount

[chrome plover]

immediately before using avatar

since avatar resets it

[hard widget]

Currently the conditions are:
SD 2 stacks
SD about to run out
AJ about to drop off
3x marked for execution

[chrome plover]

(and gives 2 stacks)

[idle wolf]

I do have a tracker for it and marked for exe too

[hard widget]

If any of those triggers is met, u get a sound alert to execute

[sleek badge]

Thanks, I have to use both WA ?

[hard widget]

I just updated the one i linked

To have both in it

[sleek badge]

thanks a lot

[hard widget]

Your welcome

Im not a WA guru tho, so if there is a bug or smth im sorry

[sleek badge]

It's fine lol, I'm just pressing execute whener i've a SD proc atm 😂

Can't be worse

[signal locust]

@hard widget thanks for that WA I'll give it a try later.

[sleek badge]

Do you use the mouseover macro for execute/pummel/stormbolt ? Looks great for keeping focus on same target and stacking the rampage but Idk i'll get use to it

[hard widget]

I dont

[woeful token]

If I am enraged and have 80 rage then should I rampage or raging blow?

[sleek badge]

RB if you're not going to lose enrage buff i guess

It's really situational

[woeful token]

Seems odd, I would think rampage->crushing blow would be better

[prime badger]

@hard widget the way to get the crest for 336 is making 9 m+ +9 ?

[pearl sequoia]

basically everything before rampage again, rampage is #1 prio though if enrage is about to fall off

[edgy widget]

pooling rage is better because it helps you get back to your next Rampage faster

[hard widget]

Curshing blow buffs ur Rampage so it does more than u think

[edgy widget]

*Raging Blow

[woeful token]

Ah okay

[hard widget]

U gotta do +9's i believe ye im not sure

Or mythic raid

[runic cypress]

Isnt it basically try to fit as many non rampages before your next rampage as long as enrage doesnt fall off

[edgy widget]

not entirely, but yes pooling rage has been a worthwhile strat since Legion

• if you Rampage at 80 rage, you need to generate another 80 rage within 4(5) seconds to Rampage again - this will not always be feasible depending on circumstance, what spells are available, etc
• If you instead pool rage up to ~110 before using Rampage, you now only need to generate 50 rage before you are able to use Rampage again (you're also extending the duration that enrage, since it's not being overwritten as early)
  The idea is just to build a buffer for those times where your rage generation falters; and as long as you're not overcapping by any meaningful amount, nothing is lost

at the same time, yes those Raging Blows you use do have a benefit via Slaughtering/Bloodcraze, but the strategy extends to other spells as well

[runic cypress]

Sometimes you can even fit a Slam in there!

[gusty compass]

Random question, Kej currency. Is it something to hold on to? Or can you buy something and sell on AH for some gold?

[hard widget]

Oh no! The horror!

[runic cypress]

stop hating slam!

Its doing its best

[hard widget]

Im not hating, im disliking

But its better than ww in ST so ey i'll take it

[torpid sand]

A weak aura for that would really help

Cause i have a hard time paying attention to that

Even more in AOE situations

[edgy widget]

so make a WA for it then

[hard widget]

That'd be a very complex weakaura

[edgy widget]

not really

just light up rampage if rage >X

I have one that does exactly that

[hard widget]

I mean that doesnt really forfull the purpose tho i feel like

[gleaming crag]

It's a catalyst charge every 2 weeks right ?

[hard widget]

But i guess

[pearl sequoia]

yea 0.5 a week

[edgy widget]

of course it does, that is the purpose

[tawdry meteor]

is this weak aura only for raiding or for m+ aswell?

[edgy widget]

if you wanna get a lil more complex with it, "light up rampage if rage > x or enrage not up"

[hard widget]

I mean there is times where u press it under the threshhold

[hard widget]

U dont play AJ in M+

[edgy widget]

yeah if enrage isn't up

[hard widget]

Or when no stacks of rb / bt no?

[edgy widget]

but nobody is saying that should be your only time to use rampage

[tawdry meteor]

yea I know that you dont play aj in m+ thats why Im asking

[edgy widget]

I feel like you're extending this scenario to something that was not said

Nobody said only use rampage at X

don't read further into the statement lol

[hard widget]

It triggers if u have it talented

[pearl sequoia]

i like it when CB refreshes a milisecond before i press rampage and cry in bad rotation

[woeful token]

Is overcapping rage not really a concern anymore? Ex. I am enraged and rage capped...I should still CB/bloodbath/execute instead of rampage?

[hard widget]

I took this as the point Archi, maybe thats why

[edgy widget]

it is a concern, though you will always overcap some amount of rage

[edgy widget]

I don't know what you're trying to say here

that rule is correct

nobody said that's the only time you use rampage (and if you really wanna be smart, you can fill with Slam/WW if you don't have RB or BT but still wanna ride out Enrage's duration)

The guy said he felt like he needed a WA to help him remember to Rampage later than the game normally tells him to... which is a perfectly reasonable thing to make - I literally have one

that does not mean it is the only time I use Rampage

[hard widget]

Sure, if that works for you.

[edgy widget]

it does work, because that is the priority

So what is the problem?

[hard widget]

There is none?

[edgy widget]

then why do you feel it doesn't fulfil the purpose? I'm really confused as to what the issue is here

[pearl sequoia]

mom and dad are fighting

[wet wraith]

is it a hot take to say blizz should stop making tier sets every single raid, feel like they ran out of ideas a while ago for some classes

outlaw tier sets been ass

[hard widget]

Just a friendly discussion ^^

[chilly comet]

ok im 99% sure this is what the guide is saying im just hoping for clarification, but this prio is saying if i have over 100 rage after using crushing blow i should just rampage>crushing blow again, and waste the charge of bloodbath?

[pearl sequoia]

Yea i have a habit of talking too much shit

[edgy widget]

yes, though it is a very minor optimization compared to just pressing Bloodbath

[hard widget]

Whenever you still gotta think about the weakaura I always feel like it doesnt really benefit me too much. But maybe thats a personal preference

[chilly comet]

ok word ty

[edgy widget]

it depends on what kind of weakaura it is, but you can scale it up to be as simple or complex if you need

[eager thorn]

No shot theres a conversation in fury chat that doesnt descend into flaming eschother

[edgy widget]

I don't play with just weakauras trying to tell me what button to use when, I use action bars - my rampage is always showing when it's available for use

I just make it glow under certain conditions to know that it is now priority to use

[hard widget]

Well, here u have one ^^, because i aint looking for a fight 🙂

[edgy widget]

WeakAuras should not be a replacement for decision making

and anyone who uses them that way might as well just go install Hekili and let it decide what buttons to push for you

[pearl sequoia]

DBM be like

[eager thorn]

I just use weakauras to make important buff bar shit be more visible

[wet wraith]

ok but what about the weakaura that makes your camera spin when you bladestorm, we all agree that one is a requirement?

[vagrant bobcat]

Warriors should strive to look for a fight!

[edgy widget]

case in point - this weak aura you made does not mean that is the only time you use Execute - it is simply a guide to remind you that Execute has become priority

[hot topaz]

i usually just grab luxthos' pack and tweak the main CD weakaurs to give me a sound cue when theyre close to being up.

[hard widget]

Exactly

[hot topaz]

otherwise sometimes i space out doing the fight and dont hit them on cd.

[hard widget]

I get what u mean archi, maybe im just overcomplicating the amount of variables for it

[edgy widget]

no more so than for Execute

[primal anchor]

anyone got a SMF build ?

[thick fossil]

Yup

[primal anchor]

mind sharing ?

[thick fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-dumpster-gif-22255810

[pearl sequoia]

lol

[primal anchor]

yeah good one

[thick fossil]

[edgy widget]

drop your weakest talent and take SMF, it is now an SMF build

[woeful token]

I notice you don't have slam here. Is it better to wait on something else than to use slam?

[signal gyro]

What if I want a 2h in one hand and a 1h in the other?

[edgy widget]

it's just hidden, I don't show buttons I don't need to see

[pearl sequoia]

if you have nothing to press you slam

[eager relic]

So why do we continuously have SMF in our talents when Blizzard knows it has never been viable?

[thick fossil]

Hmm, I don't even have slam on my bars.

[eager thorn]

It is viable

[eager relic]

For people who want to troll?

[eager thorn]

Its just not meta

[golden hare]

evil Hannah Montana (worst of both worlds)

[eager relic]

Its viable the same way playing the entire game at 580 ilvl is viable

[woeful token]

Does our tier set affect our rotation priority at all?

[eager thorn]

Its like 5% dps loss its rlly not that bad

[hot topaz]

depends on how competetive of a player you are or how competetive your guild is

[patent tundra]

what talent is that

oh single minded fury

[hard widget]

Its pretty bad, not as bad as Thane.... But still pretty bad

[winter shoal]

I just have my rage bar as a weakaura that's red below 80, orange between 80 and 110, and green above 110

[chilly comet]

for multi-target, the wowhead prio doesn't include any mention of execute on targets with marked for execution - is that really correct? even with the bladestorm CDR from using SD on targets with MFE gives, it's still lower prio than cb/bb/rampage?

[eager thorn]

Ya but still playable if you dont care abt meta

[hot topaz]

anything is playable if you dont care about meta.

thats why it all depends on your situation as a player.

[pearl sequoia]

idk if you'd be in skyhold if you didnt care about meta

[edgy widget]

you'd be surprised

[hard widget]

Playing with daggers is also viable if u dont care about meta

[winter shoal]

People ask about SMF probably once an hour I'd say

[hard widget]

It doesnt make it good

[eager thorn]

Yes but theres a big difference between doing a random build thats 30% worse dps than one thats 5%

[hot topaz]

if you're an AOTC only andy (which is a fine thing to be, to be clear) then by all means play anything.

[pearl sequoia]

if they ask about SMF then they are on their way to getting to meta

[eager thorn]

5% is within range to be covered by performance

[hard widget]

Why? Ur handicapping urself for playing with 2 cosmetically different weapons

[naive swallow]

what's a proper pure ST rotation looks like

[hard widget]

SMF and TG are exactly the same, except for the way it looks

[pearl sequoia]

reck, charge, ramp, ava, spear, bs, cb, ramp, cb

[hard widget]

And SMF dealing shit dmg

[eager thorn]

What’s tg

[hard widget]

Titans grip

[eager thorn]

Ah

Well ye but smf gets you thunderfury mog :)

And lightning sword looks cool

[hushed heart]

…. 🤦🏻‍♂️

[hard widget]

I mean 5% dmg loss for a mog seems steep

[naive swallow]

Jlow so ignoring that BB and just get into ramp cb yeah

[hot topaz]

^

[eager thorn]

Ye again I’m not saying its great or recommending it

I’m just saying 5% really isnt that huge

[pearl sequoia]

during opener and lust im just spamming cb's until i get to high bb crit, game becomes so fast

[naive swallow]

i guess in a way doing as many ramp cb within reck ava

[hard widget]

Yeah but what if i think i look cool in Coth armor? U see my point 😂

[eager relic]

I would assume most people ask about SMF because they just looted a higher ilvl 1h and want to know if they can use it without being a troll

[naive swallow]

usually what crit %

[eager thorn]

Ye but again smf is still doing respectable damage

[gaunt moat]

2 more days for mm + my graal my love

[eager thorn]

Idt cloth armour would

[hot topaz]

sounds like theyre not walking around in arms loot spec then.

[sullen nexus]

I had to go SMF for a few dungeons when I hit cap

[pearl sequoia]

80-90%, i have a sound trigger when i need

[naive swallow]

sth like s4 fury ? 90 ish BB

[eager thorn]

Ik fully well smf is cope but games are for fun

[hard widget]

Its not based on the crit

[sullen nexus]

Randomly got much better 1h weapons back to back then no 2h for a while

[hard widget]

Its based on ur rage

[sullen nexus]

But yeah get away from that ASAP

[naive swallow]

ngl fury with 0tier feels good enough i even forgot we're going to have a tier set effect

[spare steppe]

If I don’t have Ascended yet on my weapon (waiting on mythic crests) is it dumb to add writhing to my bracers early?

[woeful token]

?

[oblique trail]

No

[pearl sequoia]

spent rage? wdym

[oblique trail]

You play the same before and after

[hard widget]

@pearl sequoia You use bloodbath if ur under 100 rage or if target is below 35% with vicious contempt

[oblique trail]

It doesn't change anything for you by having it early, so up to you

[restive peak]

Good news bois

We'

re

[oblique trail]

Would just use 2x Lining until you swap to Ascended wep

[restive peak]

almost

there

[eager thorn]

Where

[eager relic]

Tier not changing rotation is good but also so boring.

[restive peak]

Just over 24hrs til TWW comes out

[exotic glacier]

KEKW

[eager thorn]

[exotic glacier]

this LEGIT caught me

[restive peak]

Lmfao

[exotic glacier]

I was giggling and then it stopped me dead

[calm quartz]

Delves was definitely one of the content ever made for a few days

[pearl sequoia]

Yea gotcha just in the context of the opener with lust, i see CB spam with rampage then BB when its high crit or whatever it is

[eager thorn]

Honestly I’ve had fun with the downtime

[wheat gazelle]

How hard is Fury to pick as a first time warrior player?

[eager thorn]

But im kinda aut so i just do achievements

[night relic]

sign me up to echo

[exotic glacier]

best class ever for newbies.

[woeful token]

Is wowhead or icy veins rotation more up-to-date/accurate?

[hard widget]

The opener u generate tons of rage constantly putting u over 100 rage, making u not press bloodbath. As soon as u are under 100 rage after CB u press it tho

[eager thorn]

First class i played properly in retail and its fun

[hard widget]

Unless u got 3x marked for execution on the target then you send execute first

[oblique trail]

Both are written by the same person, but Wowhead typically updates faster

[exotic glacier]

Braindead easy to play, a lot of stuff to "master" if you want.

[wheat gazelle]

Oh well that makes it easy then lol.

[exotic glacier]

also, we have a great community.

[past pivot]

DH or hunter easier

[exotic glacier]

except Linc since he scared me.

[wheat gazelle]

I happen to be fairly braindead so i can manage this.

[exotic glacier]

join us bruther

[eager relic]

Its so easy that you think you've got it down and you struggle to find out why people are doubling your dps

[pearl sequoia]

So just to give me an idea, when are you pressing BB in the opener chaos

[hard widget]

Whenever ur under 100 rage after spending ur CB (and potentially execute)

[exotic glacier]

The answer is enchants. (and now embellishments)

[wheat gazelle]

I also played Warrior in FF14 so i wanted keep up the Unga Bunga smash faces play style.

[exotic glacier]

Plus, look at our Tmog channel. cant beat it.

FF14 warrior is... amazing but not EXACTLY like WoW warrior just a warning.

[eager relic]

Do yall just spam heroics for valorstones after doing all the m0s daily?

[exotic glacier]

I cry and look at my valorstone total and wonder why they nerfed wax. 😦

[golden hare]

nah bro log off

[edgy widget]

radiant echoes, zekvir, and world quests seem to be the best way to get them

[lyric compass]

Doing those memory fragment things with 5 of them give a good amount of valor stones

[eager relic]

tf is zekvir

[edgy widget]

delve boss

[fading bane]

im holding 10+ radiant echos for valorstones

[unreal onyx]

zekvir lair thingy?

[edgy widget]

no the other zekvir

his lesser known bother

[pearl sequoia]

dr zekvir

[unreal onyx]

how much does that give? I did it yesterday but didn't pay attention how many I got

[edgy widget]

has a great musical routine

[pearl sequoia]

zekvira

[eager relic]

Huh. A certain boss gives more valor than others?

[exotic glacier]

Mr or Ms Zekvir? Dr.

[eager relic]

Or is he just the easiest

[edgy widget]

he's the only one

[unreal onyx]

he's the special delve

that only has him inisde

for the quest

[lyric compass]

Is zekvir valor weekly or daily?

[edgy widget]

neither

[clever belfry]

farmable

[eager relic]

Ive been doing it all wrong then wtf

Least I can get out of the dungeons now

[lyric compass]

Ah cool

[eager relic]

I would if I didnt have 2 weapons that are begging to be upgraded

[gaunt moat]

Don't hold them too hard if you do each echo you unlock the mythic mode that gives more

[fading bane]

what do i gain from that tho

[clever path]

Dr rivkez

[gaunt moat]

More stones more key fragments

Later on

[fading bane]

keys are dead next week

[gaunt moat]

True also

[chrome plover]

noo m+ opens next week, keys are reborn

[ornate gust]

is it a good idea to upgrade hero tier set items tonight?

[fading bane]

tru

[pearl sequoia]

cant wait to farm ara kara again

[gaunt moat]

I wanna m+ so bad

Except boralus

I hated it in bfa and i hate it now

[pearl sequoia]

i dont mind it, free last boss

[eager relic]

Nah boralos is anus

[hard widget]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-P988ibclxaKCGrAcrx_v1X-hLdkCVUgy_ZFPzLNn_s/preview?pli=1

I use this as a guideline

[pearl sequoia]

hero track gear if its 613, upgrade to 619 then stop

[eager relic]

I use this as a guideline

[pearl sequoia]

to max crests pretty sure

[lament lagoon]

Cani use tier 1 mats to craft the pvp wep? charged alloy is expensive lol

[oblique trail]

You can use whatever tier you want, but it's not guaranteed you get the ilvl you want

[pearl sequoia]

if u only care about the 639 pvp then yea, but base ilvl will be low

[ornate gust]

610 ? 😐

I am somehow short of valorstones

[unreal onyx]

I use this as a guideline

[restive peak]

I am terrifying

Remember that

[ornate gust]

trying to keep some

[restive peak]

[hard widget]

Kekw surely im not gonna get pinged by everyone who uses it as a guideline now

[pearl sequoia]

You can upgrade i guess, its just nerdy min max crest shiz

[hard widget]

Dont upgrade 610 unless ur not doing higher content

U get 613 drops next week

[pearl sequoia]

u also get more crests next week

[unreal onyx]

why follow guides written by strangers

you have a free will

[hard widget]

And by spending them on pointless upgrades ur griefing urself out of 1-2 weeks before getting maxed

[unreal onyx]

the illusion of choice

you GO craft that heroic weapon

[hard widget]

xD

[unreal onyx]

do what your heart desires

[pearl sequoia]

idk if spending runed crests is griefing, gilded then yea definetly

[eager relic]

You can choose to be inefficient or not

Thats about it

[ornate gust]

i crafted 606 wep and put in in my off-hand slot with 619 wep in main hand

[unreal onyx]

I am rocking 2x 590 weapons

[hard widget]

By spending them on 610 while getting 613 next week for m+ ur slowing down ur progress

[unreal onyx]

luck was not on my side so far

[hard widget]

Especially now that we get less crests per week

[unreal onyx]

trade mark of khardros for weapon

open to offers

[stray mirage]

is slayer's strike pure rng? or are there ways to trigger it?

[runic violet]

whoever gets to grind +7 and lucky at heroic raid will be the top geared

[oblique trail]

It's RNG

[hard widget]

U couldve craftd a 610 pvp wep

[eager relic]

But what if his sole dps from that 610 is the only reason they finished a key next week.

[stray mirage]

damn thats a joke imo

[unreal onyx]

I didn't do pvp

[pearl sequoia]

610 crafted weapon u also get free upgrade to 610 on champ track weapon

[hard widget]

Then u have different issues to worry about

[warm crag]

it takes one epic bg

[pearl sequoia]

i didnt either, then u run in pop cds and they die

[warm crag]

(pray its one of the ones that gives a 250 conq quest)

[pearl sequoia]

very fun actually

[unreal onyx]

what reagents do I need for that pvp weap?

[thorn steeple]

noice

[hard widget]

Expensive ones

[unreal onyx]

oof

[pearl sequoia]

8 charged alloy, 3 core alloy

[eager relic]

how expensive

[unreal onyx]

I guess I will just wait till reset

[pearl sequoia]

T3 for R5

probably like 30kish to buy all mats

[hard widget]

Its like 30k mats i think, and then ur getting griefed by some rando charging u 20k to craft it

[eager relic]

People said authority of the depths was expensive but Ive bought it 4 times already

[hard widget]

Dont use ur crest if thats what ur thinking of doing

I think 606 on the top of my head

No crests

U can craft the wep if u really want to, just dont spend ur HC crests

If u commit to a wep ur sending 90 gilded on it next week to make it 636

[modest condor]

cant believe they nerfed fury

[pearl sequoia]

But then no point doing that when u can craft 610 pvp wep

[hard widget]

Ur gonna want the crest for ur 2nd craft

[sick jungle]

I can craft the pvp wep if anyone wants

Just gotta hop over to the guild in in lmao

[warm crag]

fury is dead

[modest condor]

where were you when fury was kill

[pearl sequoia]

@sick jungle are personal crafting orders server group specific?

[sick jungle]

Yeah

I mean, i could also join someones guild to craft then leave

[modest condor]

gonna be so funny to see boss damage statistics in a couple of weeks when everybody has their tiersets

[sick jungle]

So no biggie really

[pearl sequoia]

i dont need was just wondering

[sick jungle]

Ya no worries

I think its bg specific

[teal pine]

crafting is pretty overwhelming at first. Its not too hard to get your blacksmith to the point you can make your own gear though if you look into it

[sick jungle]

So if youre connected to that players server you can do personal

[sick jungle]

Especially with conc its p easy

[pearl sequoia]

Yea makes sense

closed economy

[sick jungle]

I can so the 2h sword, and pvp wep no conc now

Even at 636

Do

[hushed falcon]

Can I ask what you think is optimal? I’m currently on the fence about sending weapon or bracer/cloak double lining

[sick jungle]

Lets be real here, whos getting 90 gilded next week?

Not most players

[pearl sequoia]

i have aartisan hammer, do you have more then that? i dont think i can do it without conc

[sick jungle]

All 3 blue tools

All r3 mats and its no conc

[warm crag]

everyone that cares will

[hard widget]

The route most people take is to craft a wep with Ascendance at 636 next week (by spending 90 gilded crests gained from +9 of mythic raid) and then when we get our new spark (in 1.5 week) craft an offpiece (like wrists, boots, waist) With an Armor Writ on it (using the free crest u gained to get 619) And most people have a pvp craft in the meanwhile till they have their second craft

[pearl sequoia]

fug, might of gimped myself buying alchemy knowledge

[warm crag]

first 3 bosses tend to be free and +9s were historically very farmable

[sick jungle]

Well i mean, skill issue for most right?

+9 isnt going to be the easiest first week

Unless you have a static

[edgy widget]

might not get them immediately on tues, but I think a lot of players will over the course of the week

[hushed falcon]

You can farm them at +9, no? I’m pretty confident that I will get that

[sick jungle]

Im hearing +9 wont be the easiest esp next week

[hard widget]

Im very confident that ill be able to cap crests and vault on +10's

[warm crag]

who is saying this

[sick jungle]

Yeah but like

[pearl sequoia]

considering M0 dam, 9s gonna be tough

[eager relic]

Is free crest confirmed?

[sick jungle]

You're a streamer lmao

[hard widget]

Apparently it is

[edgy widget]

+9 will not be free, no

[hard widget]

So what? 😂

[edgy widget]

but that doesn't mean it won't be doable either

[sick jungle]

You're definitely better than the average pugger

[lament lagoon]

Thanks for the info on the wep, which enchant are w rocking atm

[warm crag]

the last time m+ first week was actually hard was like df week 1 and even then everyone who cared got everything done

[olive wraith]

Anyone else pulling aggro like crazy?

[sick jungle]

All I'm saying

I'm not saying it won't be doable lol

[hard widget]

You're quite a bit higher geared than we were in previous first weeks since we already have hc cleared

I think it wont be AS HARD as people think

Still challenging tho

[sick jungle]

The average person following the larias gearing guide will not farm +9s lmao

[pearl sequoia]

depends if you have to deal with the pug affix

[eager relic]

Didnt they make M+ changes tho? WIth death timers and tanks?

[hard widget]

Yep they did

[hushed falcon]

So you think if you have the possibility to send weapon with gilded crests then that’s the way to go even tho ascencion is kind of shit in m+?

[sick jungle]

If you care about m+ mainly id go double duskthread

Or whatever thread

[hard widget]

A wep is a giga powerful craft, thats the issue. And since u can only get 626 as cap from m+ i think so ye

[hushed falcon]

I play both raid and m+ is my problem and I kind of hate that it’s 10 weeks worth of sparks for all 4

[hard widget]

Its not like Ascendance is BAD in m+, its really good value on bosses

[pearl sequoia]

do you care about high parsing in raids, if not then just focus on M+

[edgy widget]

it's pretty bad

[hushed falcon]

To be clear: we are in no way hall of fame level. Like 700-1000 guild normally if that helps with advice any

[winter shoal]

The counter argument would be that duskthread isn't BAD in raid lmao

[hard widget]

I mean it is, but i think the gap from dusktreat in raid (considering st not padding on adds) is bigger no?

[eager relic]

I dont even know what ascendance does. Im just talkin yall word that its good lmao

[hard widget]

Or atleast more impactful

[sullen dove]

Can read it on the auction house

[hard widget]

Nobody is gonna push M+ anyways for loads of weeks till we're maxed

[edgy widget]

depends if you have access to a good OH weapon or not, but all else being equal, Duskthread is about 2% behind Ascension

[pearl sequoia]

you gain stats every 8 seconds in combat, so would mean in M+ you would ideally chain pull to stay in combat, which probably wont happen

[slim pollen]

Hmmm 🤔

[sullen dove]

Yea me too

My relicblood purple too lol

Think I got it from the first ? I did or something

[edgy widget]

it's not every 8s in combat, it checks every 8s for combat

[sick jungle]

I think my plan will be 636 wep with no embellishment whenever i can, use sparks + runed crest on double thread for m+, and pvp wep and pvp waist for asc/writhing

Someone let me know if this is dumb af

[edgy widget]

so if it checks 4s before you leave combat, you have 4s before the next check

[sick jungle]

But i feel it covers both okay

[modest condor]

yeah it's bugged if you dont get it at rank 1/4

[eager relic]

Lol but if it checks the 1s youre out of combat between the pull then gg?

[hard widget]

To me its pretty simple, nobody is gonna push M+ regardless because ur down like 15 ilvls, by the time people are geared enough to start pushing u'll have plenty crafts available. But thats my opinion

[edgy widget]

how are you using sparks to make a 636 weapon and on double thread?

[south chasm]

do we pretty much want mastery on every single piece of gear? Or is there ever a point where we can get so much mastery other stats will start to be better?

[sick jungle]

Oh yeah

[edgy widget]

correct

[pearl sequoia]

so it can fall off 1 second after finishing combat? lol, yea i guess pretty rough

[sick jungle]

L

[edgy widget]

yup

[slim pollen]

Wow, too good for game D:

[eager relic]

There's always diminishing returns. That what simming is for to know when that point is

[sick jungle]

@edgy widget 636 with asc is still going to be better than 2 619 crafts with double thread right?

For m+

[edgy widget]

would depend on a few factors, like what other weapons you might have, what else you're doing with those Gilded crests, etc

[hushed falcon]

I mean 20ilvl upgrade for weapon ist still bigbig, right? I got hc council rn and don’t think I’ll get a better one in the next two weeks

Is it even 20? Smth like that

[dark frost]

Weapon ilvl is out best dps per point

Well weapon damage

[edgy widget]

636 - 619 =

[modest condor]

20

[hard widget]

69

[pearl sequoia]

21

[sick jungle]

Math checks out

[modest condor]

21 21

[hushed falcon]

I didn’t know the ilvl off the top of my head on

[pearl sequoia]

you stoopid

[hushed falcon]

Zugzug

[pearl sequoia]

21

[eager relic]

21 21

[wanton tree]

@edgy widget last night I noticed something that seemed weird to me looking at a sample ability log for a quick sim (single target build, patchwerk) and I was wondering if you thought this was correct or maybe an APL bug: about 1 minute into the fight, with 3 stacks of ashen juggernaut and 2 stacks of sudden death, the sim let sudden death expire without executing, then 2 GCDs later ashen juggernaut expired

[edgy widget]

you'd have to link the report

[wanton tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vVKF7tP2V6Zu4pqnkXYgBt

[edgy widget]

first, don't run nightly; run latest unless you encounter an issue

second, yeah that can happen - the check to refresh AJ is very tight and there's always a possibility that SD can fall off right before reaching that threshold, though its pretty rare

could be handicapped with a more complex check, but it's such a rare confluence of events I doubt it would have any practical impact

[oblique trail]

It looks like in that scenario, the sim ran out of Enrage as it would've otherwise have refreshed AJ/used SD

[hard widget]

It was still enraged

[wanton tree]

makes sense to me, thanks... just wanted to check

[edgy widget]

remember that report is just one sample iteration - it's not indicative of what'll happen every time

[wanton tree]

right

[edgy widget]

so while that can happen, it doesn't mean that it will commonly do so, RNG is RNG

but realistically yeah - if you're congnizant of it, you should probably refresh AJ slightly earlier in order to avoid SD falling off before you get the chance

Personally, that's not really something I'm ever going to bother watching mid-raid though

[winter shoal]

@wanton tree see my message here, checking SD in addition to AJ is basically the exact same dps as not doing so #449510248579858432 message

I personally just use different weakaura glow conditions on my exe icon for "3 stacks of MfE", "AJ expiring within 5 seconds", and "SD expiring within 5 seconds"

[edgy widget]

tbf you're just checking SD duration - Bye was referring to something a little more specific in that SD is going to fall before AJ falls, thereby not allowing you to refresh AJ

letting some SD go to waste is fine, but that very specific situation of SD falls, then AJ falls a few seconds later is what they were curious about - a simple "if SD remains < X" check won't cover that

[hard widget]

Its realistically a very minor gain to use SD right before it drops off as condition, atleast from my sims

But i didnt bother simming for max gear, i just simmed for myself

[edgy widget]

things will always flex a little bit depending on build/gear/etc

lower gear has less rage economy than higher gear, builds without AJ obviously have different considerations than those which do, etc

[winter shoal]

Yeah my check is more of a personal gameplay adjustment to compensate for the fact that I'm human - it's an easy thing to make a weakaura for and just say "press exe when it glows"

[edgy widget]

yeah, I'm just saying they were covering two different scenarios

• yours was just "avoid wasting SD"
• bytes was "avoid letting SD falling stop you from being able to refresh AJ"

[wanton tree]

personally I'm just bad and will probably push execute more often than I should anyway just out of habit/instinct 😆

[edgy widget]

the check you want for that would be something like
actions.slayer_st+=/execute,if=debuff.marked_for_execution.stack=3|(talent.ashen_juggernaut&buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains<=gcd&buff.enrage.up)|(buff.sudden_death.remains<buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains&buff.sudden_death.remains<3&buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains<5)

[hard widget]

I genuinely think that the APL being able to play like a robot is the difference here and it would almost never happen in a real scenario

[dense elbow]

I just send SD procs in the rotation they pop, delaying if I overflow rage - should work well enough for goverment work, no?

[edgy widget]

specifically that last part - buff.sudden_death.remains<buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains&buff.sudden_death.remains<3&buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains<5

[winter shoal]

Yeah and that's why I use my SD check specifically, because I'm not a robot and can't react to SD procs within the AJ duration the way sims can (although I do think simc has a human reaction time built in)

[hard widget]

If u got 3x marked then sure

Otherwise its a loss

[hard widget]

I have the condition on 4 for my actual gameplay

So i use it around 2 sec left

[edgy widget]

I'm not sure about that, especially with people who use complex WAs to try to tell them what buttons to prioritize, it's not unreasonable that SD has 4s left, but AJ has 7s left

resulting in a situation where SD falls off and you don't get another one to refresh before AJ falls too - unless you were specifically watching those timers, you wouldn't have had any reason to press SD early

[winter shoal]

I use 5 because if you have a double SD and don't get a refresh, you won't necessarily be able to use both because of the exe cd

[edgy widget]

and you're not as likely to refresh AJ at >4s left just because

[hard widget]

Yeah but thats my point, as a human u can notice that rather than the computer having only specific parameters to it

[edgy widget]

WILL you notice that though?

[winter shoal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mxe1Xstpup2LW4npispcPV extremely minor dps loss, just outside the margin of error of the sim

[hard widget]

I do, because i get a sound alert 😂

[edgy widget]

are you specifically watching Sudden Deaths' timer and Ashen Juggernauts timer then doing mental math?

[hard widget]

Its a condition in the weakaura im using

[edgy widget]

I highly doubt that would be the case

[ember apex]

is it possible with a warcraft logs premium subscription to like take the top 100 fury logs on a boss fight and then - in aggregate - look at the average amount of time between getting a sudden death proc and then spending it?

since we're on the subject

[hard widget]

Im not doing the math myself, i just have my WA yell at me if either one is about to run out, or if i got 3x marked or 2x sd in the bank

[edgy widget]

quick sim has a much higher error - the actual change is neutral because this situation only comes up once out of every 10,000 runs

[edgy widget]

ok but that isn't the scenario we're discussing

pressing Exe just because you happen to have 2x SD isn't priority

[winter shoal]

I have both display on the icon so it's easy to compare, but I also don't really look at the number, I look at the glow if/when it activates, top number is SD duration, bottom number is AJ duration, white glow means 3x MfE

[edgy widget]

sure, a lot of people do show both

[winter shoal]

Good to know, ty

[edgy widget]

but they're not on the fly looking at both and doing mental math on it

while also paying attention to everything else that's going on

but again, this is an extremely rare confluence of events that really doesn't need to be handicapped - there's no need to get so invested in such a one out of 10,000 hypothetical

[spark frigate]

Can you make 610 pvp gloves ?

[flat river]

what ilvl are u guys rn?

im 605

[dense elbow]

608-9

[winter shoal]

I'm also 605

[edgy widget]

you would need to use WCL API and write a script to crawl through logs yourself - yes it'd be possible, but ain't nobody gonna do it

[winter shoal]

Bad delve rng wcyd

[hard widget]

I use this trigger only so i know im capped on SD stacks

[edgy widget]

I understand, but again that was not the situation being discussed

[faint whale]

606

[winter shoal]

WCL API is such a pain, whoever made graphql should be banned

[ember apex]

ty

[edgy widget]

you avoid the situation because you're prioritizing SD @ 2 stacks, but that isn't the actual priority

[flat river]

hello Archi

[ember apex]

graphQL solves a lot of problems but it's like super niche so like unless ur a dedicated dev workign on a graphQL proj/repo its not worth to learn

[hard widget]

Im sorry i guess i misunderstood when you said "especially with people who use complex WAs to try to tell them what buttons to prioritize"

[flat river]

also

when DO i use execute?

[olive wraith]

When everything is on cooldown

[edgy widget]

ok lemme put it another way - your WA telling you to use something that would otherwise by inoptimal is not a solution to an issue that rarely arises from someone trying to follow the optimal rotation

[olive wraith]

Or in st when aj is gonna fall off

[lost saffron]

@hard widget this is average wallife chatter, does this happen in your chat too?

[flat river]

i use it after using CB and BB

[edgy widget]

that's twitch chat in a nutshell lmao

[olive wraith]

Rb>ex

[hard widget]

I certainly hope not

😂

[flat river]

so Rampage > CB > BB > Execute > Rampage

wait

i messed up

[sick jungle]

I have yet to get a delvers bounty on my main

[wanton tree]

if 3x marked for execution or ashen juggernaut about to expire, execute is pretty high priority

otherwise very low

[lost saffron]

not you cant make it that simple

[edgy widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[sick jungle]

Meanwhile my alt has gotten 3

[lost saffron]

your priority changes

depending on situation

[calm quartz]

Try again sweaty

[flat river]

thank you

[olive wraith]

No. Execute when everything is on cooldown. Meaning no charges of rb, bloodthirst on cooldown

[wanton tree]

that's... not what the priority list says

[hard widget]

Thats not true

[lost saffron]

Thats not true

[olive wraith]

Well obviously st and mt are diff

[spare steppe]

Refreshing AJ is up there in prio

[olive wraith]

Scroll up I mention that

[brittle crow]

what does having 2x sd even mean cuz its not like 2 charges

[hard widget]

Even in MT execute isnt a bad button with marked for execution as it lowers ur BS cd which is massive in aoe

[wanton tree]

the SD buff can stack twice now

[lost saffron]

Lining bladestorm with odyns fury

[brittle crow]

for what purpose tho i cant execute twice in a row

[wanton tree]

you can if you want to

[brittle crow]

wtf...

idk if ui glitch but i swear i saw 2 stacks and it went on cd

[wanton tree]

well

[molten spire]

Is slayer still by far the best or do the nerfs + buffs make a difference?

[wanton tree]

still has CD I guess, but I mean you can use it twice in a row on CD if you have 2 SD stacks

[flat river]

ok

[winter shoal]

Incorrect, if you have 2x SD and exe, your exe still goes on cd

[edgy widget]

it kicks out the timer

[dense elbow]

Thane is a bit stronger on sustained AoE, Slayer is still ahead on ST and burst AoE

[wanton tree]

the main reason for 2 stacks is so that if you have two ways of proccing SD (i.e. the talent and the slayer talent) they can both proc at the same time without munching

which was a problem with arms s3 set

[edgy widget]

you won't get them twice in a row, cause there's a CD sure, but you won't have to wait for a new SD proc

and ~5s is a lot less than ~15s

[edgy widget]

correct

[edgy widget]

technically thane's high point is just as high or even higher, it just takes longer

[brittle crow]

so if u get 2 sd procs theres a cooldown on execute but then you can use the 2nd proc?

am i reading that right

[velvet obsidian]

yes

[restive peak]

The saddest part to all of this

Is that if you ignore exec completely besides 3 marks...you barely notice it

[edgy widget]

yup

[restive peak]

MakeExecuteGreatAgain

MEGAAAAAAA

[molten spire]

What do you mean by longer here?

[lost saffron]

Execute is arms spell

Oh wait

[edgy widget]

it takes longer to deal its damage

[brittle crow]

i ignore execute until 3 marks but then i noticed my sd/3 marks timing gets desynced

thats prob why

[winter shoal]

You're too canadian to make this joke smh

[restive peak]

Rude

[dense elbow]

I say nerf execute by 15%, because it is only a 0.x% dps loss anyway

[molten spire]

Is the rotation any different?

[edgy widget]

yes, in several ways

[restive peak]

Canadians have feelings too

[wanton tree]

😰

[brittle crow]

execute is prot spell

[lost saffron]

go back to prot chat

[dense elbow]

If you want execute to execute, go PvP. It is the only way

[edgy widget]

Pretty sure Execute was actually listed as a Fury spell in vanilla 🤔

[lost saffron]

Is Execute actually cute though

thats the real question

[woeful token]

how does raging blow fit into the rotation priority if Opportunist IS active?

[flat river]

so sad execute isn't strong on fury, even though we have 2 big weapons

[dense elbow]

Execute only weak in PvE, Gala. Just go PvP, and be happy

[wanton tree]

I gather that you want to hold the buff for crushing blow

[edgy widget]

ideally, but honestly... just ignore opportunist

it's an insignificant optimization

and more pointless shit to track on your screen

[flat river]

i do play PvP

[wanton tree]

I'm good at ignoring optimizations

[flat river]

it is strong there

[edgy widget]

it's like 1k DPS

[dense elbow]

[edgy widget]

which is not worth an extra icon and timer on my screen

[brittle crow]

no need for icon
if u dont use a charge of rb when u press it then u have opportunist gg

[ember apex]

have u guys done queen ansurek on heroic? that might be the best boss in the history of the game (at least phase 1)

the roots are so good

[lost saffron]

idk about that man

[ember apex]

u dont know

[lost saffron]

being knocked up

and not being able to hit

every 30 seconds or so