fury

[edgy widget]

it's still bis

[quiet rivet]

Sacbrood nerf is very minor, losing about 0.1%
so I still happy

[tame pilot]

damn, really didnt want to farm it all M+ and fight every DPS for it

[warped bone]

So ST nerf + sack = 1.1%. Shambles i say

[runic cypress]

Oh nevermind then we Gucci

[coarse nest]

Gear-a-Rang gang

[edgy widget]

1.6% in the MT build

[warped bone]

Noooooo

[trim tinsel]

How bad are these nerfs really? Quick tldr

[quiet rivet]

So, GRG now better then mark for m+?

[runic cypress]

Joever

[coarse nest]

Mark is still insanely good for your burst window

[warped bone]

Can check #updates-midnight @trim tinsel very quick tldr in there

[runic cypress]

it's another transmitter puts the task in the middle of an insta death ray episode

[hard widget]

Its joever

[warped bone]

We down with the Jeffness

[fervent warren]

Hey guys can't be bothered scolling up to where this has been answered 100 times how bad the nerf we dead right?

[tame pilot]

time to go balance..its over

[rocky wharf]

Can we check in with ja rule to make sense of all this!?! Where is ja!

[runic cypress]

Ask again in 5 minutes

[crude gulch]

isnt there a currency from turning in wax that can be turned in for valor stones?

[coarse nest]

yes but they nerfed how good the farm was

[regal storm]

They already nerfed that old man.

[crude gulch]

I have the currency but which box do I buy - I do not see one that says valor stones

[runic cypress]

Can't even call it a farm since it's only for the first 20 turn ins or something

[iron portal]

because neither does give valorstones

[carmine hawk]

wtf they banned for*skin 😠

[runic cypress]

You get valor for turning in wax

[crude gulch]

ah ty Sir -

[runic cypress]

But only the first 15/20 times don't remember the number after that it's only crystals

[heady saffron]

itd be nice if gearrang had a secondary stat atleast

[fossil oasis]

why thunderous roar before bladestorm in the opener?

[eager thorn]

is this any good? got from delve, other trinkets are 593 (skarm shard and brood sac) but not sure if its worth replacing them

[modest condor]

because otherwise you're gonna run out of reck halfway through roar

[coarse nest]

better to get it on cd while youre spinning do nothing anyway

[rotund ginkgo]

yay! i sim 1mil now :3

[crude gulch]

its fun but the 2 min CD doesnt line up

[eager thorn]

ye that as well as it being a channel is putting me off it

[runic cypress]

No

[gloomy hound]

we fucked up by playing warrior during the paladin expansion

[modest condor]

ok

[rotund ginkgo]

ok

[bitter palm]

ok

[fossil oasis]

does it not snapshot

[night cedar]

ok

[hollow raptor]

If bladestorm is up but reck ava or odyns fury arent up, how long is it worth holding for on an ST fight?

[flat river]

dont unless it's 5 sec off

[rotund ginkgo]

unless its its like 9s or less, dont

[oblique trail]

If the rest are available within 10 seconds you hold, otherwise send it

[hard widget]

APL says 9 seconds

[hollow raptor]

Oh damn really, interesting. It feels so odd popping reck ava without bladestorm haha

[rotund ginkgo]

hi jeff

[modest condor]

nothing we have has snapshotted for a very long time

[hard widget]

Ello ragish

[night cedar]

for aoe is 9secs too?

[buoyant salmon]

prove it to the supreme court of the us buhd

[bitter palm]

actions.slayer_st+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up&cooldown.avatar.remains>=9

[hard widget]

actions.slayer_mt+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up&cooldown.avatar.remains>=9
actions.slayer_st+=/bladestorm,if=buff.enrage.up&cooldown.avatar.remains>=9

[fossil oasis]

does odyn's fury count as a bleed

[night cedar]

oook

[modest condor]

yes

[rotund ginkgo]

physical damage dots are 99% of the time a bleed

[night cedar]

our "main" dmg come for bleed?

[modest condor]

no, on st we barely have any bleeds and on aoe it's like 15% or something

[hard widget]

I wouldnt say MAIN, but Thunderous roar Bleed, Odyns bleed (x2 because avatar) and Cold steel hot blood bleed

[hollow raptor]

Any idea what the best trinkets are with the new nerfs?

[night cedar]

ookss

[oblique trail]

The same as before

[fossil oasis]

makes sense then, i was bladestorming then roar->odyn

[oblique trail]

The trinket nerfs for us are inconsequential basically

[prisma nest]

Embellishment changes still to come?

[hard widget]

Nobody knows

[rotund ginkgo]

banezi and jeff need a raise

[hard widget]

50% more of nothing is still nothing xd

[red seal]

with the nerf coming to bladestorm, and odyns fury at next reset, and the slight buff to thane, would that change to a thane build over slayer, i know they were reasonably close together

[hard widget]

No (and they are not close)

[tawny shadow]

which bosses are single target rq in the raid?

[heady saffron]

so far ive only seen 1 person with the zekvir ?? difficulty mount, was a dk, think fury can clear it? im doing t9 now then t10 in a min

[oblique trail]

Sikran and Nexus Princess

If you mean pure ST bosses

[hard widget]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/nerub-ar-palace-raid-tips

[tawny shadow]

ty big boy ill send you 1 gifted sub

[hard widget]

No need for that mate, just happy to help, appreciate the gesture tho ^^

[tawny shadow]

Good because that was a bluff im broke as shit

[hard widget]

😂

[scarlet swift]

Send him a subway sub

[buoyant salmon]

thats more expensive

[fossil oasis]

you odyn after bladestorm tho right?

[hard widget]

Yep

[gilded pawn]

Subway sub is unironically like 8 twitch subs

[hard widget]

Like the sandwich u mean?

[fossil oasis]

can you change the opener on raidbots to test two different openers?

[lavish needle]

can i have 2 embellished at weapon?

[hard widget]

You can change the APL if you want, but thats not very easy to do

[oblique trail]

Two seperate weapons with an embellishment each, yes

[lavish needle]

which is the best after ascendance?

[clever belfry]

I will explode

[gilded pawn]

Yeah, each sub is like 10 bucks and each twitch sub gives the creator like 2 bucks

[oblique trail]

Shrug, sim it in top gear

[runic cypress]

Stop being greedy, leave some embellishments to the others

[fossil oasis]

mmm i wanted to see thunderous -> bladestorm -> odyn vs bladestom -> thunderous -> odyn

[oblique trail]

Haven't bothered checking myself, but Vivacity should be close

[modest condor]

like i said before your reck will run out before thunderous is done which means you're gonna miss crit chance on your last few ticks

[fossil oasis]

its prob faster for me to make a python script

[hard widget]

Not really sure what u mean with this tbh, but if its asking me to write it in the APL i wont xD

Im not that great with it myself so it will take me quite long to do probably

[fossil oasis]

no dont worry man

[oblique trail]

[fossil oasis]

ye i see i wanted to test how big the delta was between having the full stacked bladestorm damage buff for full duration or the extra crit for the last two ticks

[clever belfry]

Emote hacker again

[dapper estuary]

Is brann any use as a healer? or just go dps with him

[oblique trail]

Just keep him as DPS unless you desperately need him as a healer for a boss/elite

You typically don't though

[spare steppe]

My sacbrood! Glad it’s small

[oblique trail]

His DPS is very strong so having him as DPS will more often than not just make the run miles easier

[buoyant salmon]

this mgiht be cope but i think brann is dumber as a healer

[modest condor]

he doesnt need to be smart, his healing pots are pretty strong

[fossil oasis]

bro i did the kobold delve waterworks today

[modest condor]

those pots are usually my top healing done unless im giga minmaxing IVs

[sterile dagger]

how bad our 4p set across all dps specs?

[fossil oasis]

last boss farts and leaves green puddle fucking brann was throwing all 3 pots into the fart, i did a +8 with a 585 fury but it was insanely hard, if i missed a single defensive i was dead dead

[acoustic yoke]

ours is like 2% total or something

[modest condor]

lmao

[sterile dagger]

and maybe you know what the best one? %-wise

[acoustic yoke]

between fury and arms?

[sterile dagger]

between all dps 😄

[fossil oasis]

also like that boss does aoe + bolt combo total of 6 million damage if not mitigated, not even LOS able. took me 24 tries

[wind wraith]

Anyone know if mountain Thane will take the lead over Slayer with tuesday nerfs?

[rotund ginkgo]

no

[coarse nest]

no way

[acoustic yoke]

think enhance tier set is the strongest out of all the tier set (not necessarily strongest damage dealer though)

[rotund ginkgo]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069 🙂

[restive peak]

4pce acquired via PVP and LFR

Huge

[sterile dagger]

ty sir 🙂

[fossil oasis]

wait how do you get from pvp

[restive peak]

1600 is the season omnitoken

[slim coral]

I’ve passed on all my tier for the greater good of the raid

[meager gyro]

I wasn't planning on playing with a sac anyways

[coarse nest]

its still bis most likely

[meager gyro]

ish, it'll be nice until you get a myth trinket

[lean heart]

https://fxtwitter.com/yodaorie/status/1834479548005495213?s=46
thought this was funny

[clever belfry]

surely your loot council passed for you

[wraith latch]

would you ever wanna cancel bladestorm to rampage in ST?

[modest condor]

no

[sterile dagger]

HUH, no

[oblique trail]

Deft makes it so you wont have to worry about Enrage, unless you press BS very late into your Enrage

[spare steppe]

BS goes BRRRR

[rotund ginkgo]

"HUGE", he said, with a 1.5% dps increase

[crimson vapor]

hi guys i need help with my rotation and whoch talent trees to use

[hard widget]

Debateable

[wraith latch]

Aight, thanks!

[patent tundra]

so what are the chances thane is better now?

[signal gyro]

well, it's better than previous thane

[meager gyro]

#updates-midnight @patent tundra

[signal locust]

Is there a post somwhere about getting the pvp weapon crafted?

[rose bay]

man blizzard needs to get better at nerfs

[coarse moon]

can i just post a working order for the 610 pvp 2h and set r5 requirement or do ineed to find trade chat

[clever belfry]

imagine griefing BS enrage in your opener

i would never.

[rose bay]

they used to merk warriors, i still havent forgoten 4-6 nerfs in a day during legion, this is nothing!

[hard widget]

U gotta find someone, and they're gonna charge you a redicouless amount of money to do it

[oblique trail]

I have NEVER done this

[coarse moon]

how come public work order wont work?

[signal locust]

Is the only quest you need the Preserving in War?

[hard widget]

Because u cant send a minimum rank, and they wont craft it for you because they want 15k or more money usually

[clever belfry]

good, for this would be very silly!

[coarse moon]

oh dang i see

[oblique trail]

optimal opener

(jumpscare warning)

[covert blaze]

#fury message

[clever belfry]

where enragussy

[oblique trail]

It's there.. (if I had titanic rage and OF talented)

[clever belfry]

i also never forgot to press avatar (its now macrod into spear, just in case)

[hard widget]

I gotchu bro

[oblique trail]

Better safe than sorry

[oblique trail]

spear still unenraged

bad bad

[bitter palm]

ew

[covert blaze]

spear unenraged kekw

[hard widget]

Say no more

[oblique trail]

me when .1 second gcd

[covert blaze]

both images are photoshopped anyway

[hard widget]

Haters would say its photoshopped

[clever belfry]

banezi (yellow in skyhold) would not make such a foolish blunder

[oblique trail]

I have never made a singular rotational error

[broken hornet]

[vapid portal]

not an error just trying to self nerf so the other classes can catch up W teammate

[patent tundra]

what about thane aoe damage ? did i miss it

[meager gyro]

my guy, it is all right there. idk how else to show you, Archi said it all in the update channel

[patent tundra]

dont think fury thane AOE is there

[oblique trail]

Thane is still not worth picking

[clever belfry]

but clonk funny

[oblique trail]

I'll clonk you

[hard widget]

Cant u change ur "check the pins" -> "Thane still sucks" ?

[oblique trail]

sorry I just work here, I don't make the choices

[clever belfry]

when :3

[runic violet]

I thought I was gonna do all M0 everyday...

[patent tundra]

is bloodthirst/bloodbath prio in thane? to proc tb

[meager gyro]

I see your point now. I'm sorry my brother but Archi just didn't post that, which means if you want the answer fast, pull up a log of the MT fight and see what the buffs do for the overall.

[clever belfry]

be happy u don't

[meager gyro]

I do all bountifuls everyday

[oblique trail]

Bountifuls are still worth doing

M0s not unless you still need a trinket

[vapid tiger]

I ran out of keys, how you still going?

[snow edge]

He probably means, doing the bountifuls even without keys

[oblique trail]

A lot of people had 12+ keys

Also radiant echo or w/e gives a lot of key shards

[clever belfry]

U can farm for maps in any delve
If you truely dont have anything useful to do. Its not good, but yknow

[snow edge]

That gambling rush at the end

[clever belfry]

i just ignored the quest and now i have none of those, thoughts

[tepid scroll]

Anyone got an estimate on how much the nerf was?

[oblique trail]

I have yet to do a single one as well, except for EA

[sterile dagger]

if you do x5 radiant echoes in big raid - you can get like 300-400+ valorstones + upto ~200 key fragments, more people => better results, ofc no slackers

[oblique trail]

#updates-midnight message has an estimate

[clever belfry]

just purchase 2 boomis to pull

[tepid lily]

is it gg

[clever belfry]

yeah reroll

[meager gyro]

I have a HARD time doing everything I want to everyday, look at all these patron orders just not getting completed

[fading bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1284314155855118398/def45d4973ceddacacf6c81be1dac3db.png?ex=66e62e44&is=66e4dcc4&hm=f5bb799468aa9f90e2b7066b4a4d06a597ddd2c5f2bd530a43a80c8d03f63d70& yo is my opener good?

[devout hollow]

yeah its dumb being asked to spend 8k+ to complete those

[oblique trail]

yeah crazy powerful actually, can I copy?

[sick jungle]

guys

[fading bane]

go ahead bro (slow mode)

[empty carbon]

are we crafting a 2h bois 😦

[hard widget]

Bro stealing my photoshop, thats copyrighted. Where is my, and Banezi's royalty check

[sick jungle]

do I panic about sacbrood nerf and wtf why is this shit in slow mode cmon I'm taking so long to post

[fading bane]

thats my opener bro wdym

[oblique trail]

#updates-midnight message

tldr; no

[gilded pawn]

Why is fury in slow mode but not arms

[oblique trail]

Something happened like 2 hours ago or something

[hard widget]

The purge "dawn of the Skyhold"

[signal gyro]

Don’t scroll up is the advice I’d give, nerfs came out and the real keyboard facerollers were wildin’

[clever belfry]

@oblique trail sleepy time

[oblique trail]

I can't sleep, busy jumping around in Dornogal

[serene vessel]

i thought they only dropped from bountifuls?

[clever belfry]

u will go to bed, its cozy there

[fading bane]

tried a arena skirmish

[clever belfry]

thought wrong then

[civic echo]

any1 know why my name just wont come up on warcraftlogs

[oblique trail]

banned

[cedar crypt]

!wa

[oblique trail]

If it's a new character, or just reached max level for the first time, it sometimes doesn't appear immediately on warcraftlogs

[gilded pawn]

Yeah give it a day or two

[pale lava]

don't let the fury nerfs distract you from the fact that grim batol will tear us all a new hole in M+

[alpine crown]

How bad are the nerfs?

[restive peak]

Grim is so sick, last boss can die however

Extremely minor, things above us got nerfed harder, hilariously it's possibly a net win for us

Gap is smaller between us and weaker classes, but also gap is smaller between us and better classes

[pale lava]

#updates-midnight

also nah fk that place, fk boralus too

[lime plaza]

Man my ret friend whos like 602 ilvl is outdpsing me on every pull and fury gets nerfed? Man.. I dont even raid I just wanna do M+

[alpine crown]

Will Mountain thane be good?

[restive peak]

Ret also got nerfed btw

No

MT is still 15% behind

MT and Colossus are memes, the buffs did nothing to make them viable in a competitive sense

But MT is good for sustained AOE, andmore than strong enough for fun

[lime plaza]

Lemme peep the ret nerfs real quick.

[restive peak]

2%

[alpine crown]

I like the lightning

[lime plaza]

Fury got hit harder tough. Those damn Heroic raiders.

[fading bane]

bro, everyone is a hc raider this week lmao

[restive peak]

It really did not

Fury got hit for .6%

The 2% is their ST loss, which means their AOE loss is compounded and higher, just like ours is 2.2% for AOE

[gentle terrace]

does anyone have a cursor champion's spear macro that switches to DR if you have DR learned

[oblique trail]

#showtooltip
/cast [known:Champion's Spear, @cursor] Champion's Spear
/cast [known:Thunderous Roar] Thunderous Roar

Try that

I don't remember the ordering of the known and @cursor, but it should work

[wooden lagoon]

what r u guys crafting weapon?

[split hatch]

Thanks man Ill use that too seems its right there

[gentle terrace]

thanks king

[rancid heron]

anyone know what a good embelishment would be for fury on a crafted weapon?

[next canopy]

Ara Kara Dead

[civic echo]

got max lvl in the mop remix thing

[hard widget]

Still bis

[warped bone]

0.1% loss as fury. Very dead

[restive peak]

Ara kara trinket lives on bro

[warped bone]

Let other classes get it

[fervent warren]

Yea you probly should just de it

[warped bone]

Also. How do people still have adds. Get Ublock dang it

[next canopy]

I’m just being a jealous hater since I don’t have one yet haha

[restive peak]

I finally got it today 😛

To replace is Tues

[robust widget]

Congratulations!

[next canopy]

Haha exactly

[restive peak]

Thanks fam

[warped bone]

Got Sacbrood and Grimbatol trinket today. Pretty nice

[next canopy]

I still haven’t even got a 2H

[restive peak]

Tues will be good

Surely get some solid drops, + craft 636 wep

[next canopy]

I used my sparks and crafted the polearm

[restive peak]

Get mythic wep off 1st boss and be bangin

[next canopy]

Only doing delves and mO

I get too hooked

[restive peak]

I made wep too, no reason not to

Will just direct upgrade on Tues w mythic crests

Should have time pre-raid to do 5 +9s

[next canopy]

Yeah I knew I wanted mog

[next canopy]

Yes

[restive peak]

70k dps from wep upgrade, we ball

[next canopy]

What is portal this season

[vocal gazelle]

After todays debacle, I’d bet no one does over a 4 without getting hit for 16m

[hard widget]

What u simmin at linc?

[restive peak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1ZkQuLbXtV7LiMgqVCh8ZK

[hard widget]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iUmNVzirCzGFCBcFF2uNGk
This is what im rocking now

[hard widget]

Hot damn

[restive peak]

That's w the wep

[next canopy]

Uh oh lunch got bigger pp

[restive peak]

So I'm like 1.102

[patent wigeon]

Guys, are you able to solo t8 delves on fury?

[hasty pagoda]

Yes

[restive peak]

Yes

[vocal gazelle]

Yeah, except for that crazy combo boss that happens in the middle at times

[patent wigeon]

Brann dps or healer?

[next canopy]

Crafted sword Vs polearm no actual difference right other than mog?

[vocal gazelle]

Healer

[restive peak]

Nope just mog brother

Brann DPS can legit afk carry it

If you're patient

[next canopy]

Ty

[restive peak]

You can let him take aggro and kill everything, if he dies he'll just pass out then get up and keep ballin

[next canopy]

Hahhahahahaa

Takes a Power Nap

[vocal gazelle]

Gonna make me craft more? lol

[restive peak]

He's just resting his little eyes

[vocal gazelle]

His little dorf eyes need time after cranking out dps

[restive peak]

Sore back from carryin so hard

[south chasm]

on bloodbound horror if you go into kill adds first should you hold CDs off pull or should i pop CD at start ?

[runic violet]

Does Brann ever die

[next canopy]

Only naps

[vocal gazelle]

See you guys are good with names, but which ones the bloodhound horror?

[restive peak]

He just takes a little resty rest friend

[restive peak]

No boss damage still matters

[mossy fox]

be ethical and send on pull

[restive peak]

You'll likely have OF/storm anyway

[next canopy]

Hahaa

[mossy fox]

im not convinced it's worth it anyway

to pad that is

[restive peak]

Pad is for 6th week reclears

Not for early kills

[next canopy]

Focus boss

[coarse moon]

can i put an embellishment on an already existing armor item or do ineed to craft a net-new piece with them on?

[next canopy]

Only leave when you need to run away little girl

[vocal gazelle]

Any word on if higher lvl tiers of delves have higher chance of weapon drops from the cache?

[spiral shell]

so fury is fine then or

am i re rolling

LMFAO

[rose elm]

[meager gyro]

reroll if you want, fury is fine

[spiral shell]

what is the overall damge loss? someone says 2.2?

aoe

[vocal gazelle]

Tis fine

[meager gyro]

well #updates-midnight

[mossy fox]

omg fury is dead!

[spiral shell]

lol

i was trolling

[sullen rune]

[warm crag]

Can I get a : please

[meager gyro]

[hard widget]

I knew it, that stuff about arms and fury being fine in the top left corner of ur stream was all a lie after all!

[gloomy maple]

sup guys, i have a question when i burst in a pull with (recklessness/charge/avatar/trinket/thunderous/bladestorm) my tank loss all aggro does anyone have this problem too?

[junior gale]

welcome to warrior

[spiral shell]

that nerf does virtually nothing LOL

[rose elm]

Well, that’s fury in a nutshell

[gloomy maple]

Should I then split my burst?

[junior gale]

no

[rose elm]

Burst and die, just like in real life with post nut depression

[junior gale]

tell your tank to get good or give the tank a few seconds

even better swap to nelf for meld

[rose elm]

Or play with prot warriors that have aoe taunt

[urban drum]

Rampage higher dam than CB means im griefing right? appears top logs its the other way around

[little cosmos]

any idea if zekvir is looking doable again

[dire vigil]

Yeah CB should be over rampage

[hard widget]

Judging by his Bladestorm damage, this is not an ST fight (also because he has OF)

So i wouldnt say its as easy as saying its grief to have ramp above CB

If u want a realistic answer ur gonna need to link logs

[dire vigil]

More grief in that log than a funeral for a dog

Holy shit that rhyme

…

[slim grotto]

Why is fury bis helm listed as Darkfrost Helm? Vers+haste? Thanks

[fallen field]

do y'all use a mouseover champion spear macro? I'm worried about missing my shit

[hard widget]

I dont

[dire vigil]

I do it @self presently. Reck-Charge-Avatar-rampage-spear @self-BS

[tulip swallow]

it's like the only passive trinket in the game right now, they would have to try really hard to kill it

[fallen field]

that's a hell of a macro

[dire vigil]

No no no, that’s just the order I press stuff hahaha

[fallen field]

oh lmao

I was gonna say half that shit wouldn't hit by the time u charged

[dire vigil]

If youre not playing with only 1 keybind, you’re playing the game wrong

[hard widget]

/use [@player] Champion's Spear

This is what i use

[fallen field]

tbf last xpac we could probably play with 1 keybind

[fallen field]

I do ravager with that but surely u miss quite a lot of bosses?

[dire vigil]

I’d actually have to check my logs for CB over Rampage but every time I looked at details after a fight im pretty sure CB was > but it was close. Like 15% damage and then 13% damage

[hard widget]

We dont play ravager, and no because u dont throw ur spear till ur enraged which requires u to be next to the boss to begin with to rampage

[dire vigil]

In ST, if your ability does damage, it should happen after the first rampage cast

[fallen field]

ya I know we dont use ravage atm, does champ spear hit if ur in melee regardless?

[crystal nebula]

How much will the nerf affect warriors in m+

[hard widget]

If u charge to the boss and start hitting u should hit it yes

[hard widget]

#updates-midnight

[fallen field]

okok sounds good

[urban drum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/dGfMDbY4hTQXmNgR#fight=14&type=damage-done

[dire vigil]

@urban drum I thought you played DK lol

Are you in Dark Exiles still?

[urban drum]

I did how did u know

[hard widget]

U missed 20 crushing blows

[dire vigil]

Cuz it’s Vulkenn

[urban drum]

Sup big dog

[hard widget]

and 23 bloodbaths

[dire vigil]

Me, I’m Vulkenn/Hellsraiser

[hard widget]

Thats why ur dmg on bloodbath and crushing blow are low

Another quick tip, dont use ur Odyns fury instantly after avatar, but wait till after bladestorm

[patent coyote]

@hard widget new to fury warrior, which website you suggest to follow?

[urban drum]

Tysm

[hard widget]

I'd follow wowhead if i were you

[dire vigil]

Jeventes YouTube

Follow that

[patent coyote]

I will check it, ty ❤️

[dire vigil]

Wowhead and Maxroll are both very good right now

[gentle terrace]

is there a treacharous transmitter WA to tell you waht you ened to do

[hard widget]

Archimtiros updates his guide on Wowhead pretty much as soon as new changes drop. Video guides can't do that unfortunately, so keep that in mind if you rather watch youtube guides

[patent coyote]

Quick question, I am crafting emblish wep with spark, what weapon you suggest? Sword or axe

[hard widget]

I'd suggest u not to craft a weapon with spark

[covert blaze]

ttv/jeventestv

[patent coyote]

Ok I will hold off till next reset

[hard widget]

You can currently use Conquest to craft a 610 weapon, i'd suggest u do that and probably wait till u got a mythic crest to send on a wep

[dire vigil]

@hard widget you thinking it’ll be double vers embellishment or we just need to wait for tuning first?

Ohhh nvm

[patent coyote]

Cool ty ty

[hard widget]

And then use ur heroic one on an offpiece like wrist, boots, waist with the heroic token

Which u will get the spark from in 1.5 week

[hard widget]

I have double embellishments since i crafted pvp gear (610 ilvl) with conquest

[patent coyote]

@hard widget can I know your armory to follow in future

[dire vigil]

Double what?

[hard widget]

https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/jeventestv

[patent coyote]

Ty

[hard widget]

I crafted Darkmoon ascendence on my wep with armor writ on boots

(both pvp 610 ilvl conquest crafts)

[opal spindle]

Good by fury big nerf fuck me bro that’s will hurt my class

[hard widget]

And i will craft a weapon with 636 crest next week

Unless the embellishments get tuned before that time

(or if i get a myth track wep from raid)

[opal spindle]

Did you see nerf bro

[hard widget]

Its barely a nerf

We'll be fine

[urban drum]

Yup yup

[opal spindle]

Fuck man they don’t like fury to be top

[tardy axle]

wdym huge nerf, its just bladestorm and odyn, were still more than fine

[bitter palm]

they dont like fury soloing

all adds

which is completely understandable

[tardy axle]

right; fury should just solo everything

[bitter palm]

cant tell me fury burst isnt just stupid atm

[tardy axle]

raid should be just fury warriors

[bitter palm]

3 globals and u oneshot everything

[opal spindle]

Fury its all about this spells

[dire vigil]

Awesome, thanks! Do you think it’ll be ascendence + double effect for the season?

[fallen field]

can I ask, what are the current thoughts on our performance in solo delves? I can't do shit in 8s even at 600ilvl

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[restive peak]

You can also safely craft the wep at 606, it doesn't cost any crests, if raid is your focus

[hard widget]

Depends on the content u like to do, I think Duskthreat lining is a great alternative and better in aoe / m+

[restive peak]

And then just direct upgrade it with mythic crests Tues

Or Wed if you're an EU boi

[hard widget]

That works too

[summer crater]

What log is that?

[bitter palm]

queen hc

same thing on normal

[urban drum]

U always cb even if ramp is up? I auto pilot to press ramp if it’s up I think

[bitter palm]

fury makes that fight 1000x easier

[opal spindle]

They hate to see fury on top

[tardy axle]

doing solo delve at 8 just fine at like 596

[restive peak]

"on top"

[hard widget]

U always CB and BB before Ramping again

[restive peak]

20% above #2

[fallen field]

can I dm?

[restive peak]

Also the 8 delves are back to being a giga joke

[bitter palm]

after nerfs it will be 10% above

not good enough

[summer crater]

So basically sublety most of dragonflight

[dire vigil]

I was able to solo earthcrawl and the ajh kajet tier 8s today at 600. Some are probably really rough

[bitter palm]

sub had a bug with aug

[summer crater]

We also have one of the weakest set bonuses

[tardy axle]

whats the best weapon enchant

[opal spindle]

Bro if it was pink class ret on top no nerf I till next expansion

[bitter palm]

so what when we are still high middle

[restive peak]

Sub was better when fed PI+Aug

We are in an extremely strong place

[bitter palm]

tier didnt contribute to aug damage

iirc

for sub

[fallen field]

I found the delves themselves are fine but when you hit the spider named elite it's pretty much impossible

[slim grotto]

Are you guys spending your Carved crests?

[hard widget]

Send em

I cant even use em anymore

Nothing left to spend em on

[dire vigil]

Are we safely thinking it’s gonna be an omen crafted weapon as one of the embellishments?

[hard widget]

No reason to gamble on it till next week

[slim grotto]

Ty sir

[dire vigil]

I do want to push keys this season, high

[restive peak]

Even if they nerf ascend, it's likely you'd just recraft with something else

[tardy axle]

whats our best weapon enchant

[restive peak]

Symbiosis is not that far behind

Depths

[hard widget]

If ur m+ focused then ur likely gonna craft Dusktreat lining, not ascendence

[fallen field]

I'm running ascendence cause it sims well, not sure though

[restive peak]

I'm pretty sure crit went Dusk, I don't agree w the ascendance bad for M+ though

It's bad for lower to mid keys

[hard widget]

Thats an embellishment, he means enchant

[restive peak]

You will be in combat raid boss levels of time in 16-18 keys later in the season

[fallen field]

ah yh sry

[dire vigil]

^ true

[hard widget]

Its bad as soon as ur not in a coordinated group

[tardy axle]

who makes the embellishments; enchanter?

[restive peak]

Yeah but I mean....are you doing a high key non coordinated?

[dire vigil]

That’s what I was thinking, Linc. Especially now that Tyran is permanent

[hard widget]

I never play in a team Linc

[restive peak]

And if it's a low to mid key, does it really matter if it's dusk or ascend?

[dire vigil]

Likely a lot of pugging in there.. :/

[restive peak]

You play w people who aren't dog though

[fallen field]

AH is your best bet probably

[restive peak]

And are coordinated in the sense of being consistent

[dire vigil]

I’m still looking for an m+ dedicated group

[tardy axle]

you cant buy them off ah

[restive peak]

I think either way, you'll be safe

[hard widget]

Heh, lemme introduce u to my dragonflight blacklist that grew by about 500 players

[covert blaze]

@restive peak where stream

[restive peak]

but if you raid mythic, you're going to want the wep

[spring canopy]

What is best embelishment for fury war?

[summer crater]

How big of a nerf is the nerf in mythic dungeons?

[restive peak]

Mythic week brother

[covert blaze]

bet

[hard widget]

Welllll, with the amount of aoe. I think dusktreat aint even that bad

[dire vigil]

I do. Starting with boss 1 late next week

[hard widget]

#updates-midnight

[fallen field]

embellishments you can yeah

[restive peak]

I think once you're into mythic raid/16+ keys, you're gonna be sub 80% a lot more than you think

And in combat long enough that ascend has very, very high value

[tardy axle]

where

[summer crater]

Thanks

[dire vigil]

That is a good consideration. And with permanent tyran… that could be the play.

Hmm…

[restive peak]

All of this is to say there's no clear answer

[hard widget]

We thought the same about Blue Silken Lining before Dragonflight, and that turned out to be not even close

[restive peak]

And both are likely very, very viable options

[dire vigil]

I will wait until doomsday tuning comes in and then make the decision before we hit mythic raid

[restive peak]

And you'll likely see a lot of differences across warrs

[fallen field]

search them on AH? idk, just search like 'darkmoon sigil'

[hard widget]

The extra vers that dusktreat gives u more survivability aswel linc, which is great for higher keys

[restive peak]

My reasoning is short key timers and high, perma tyrann bosses = a lot of consistent fight time

[tardy axle]

oh there they are, ok thanks

[dire vigil]

For now, I’ll try to get some conquest for a 2nd 610, I was lucky and got a 610 from bounty today

[hard widget]

I think i'll gladly take that

[fallen field]

np

[restive peak]

I mean if you need the vers to live, and it's what saves you as a fury warr...the rest of your team is already dead

[hard widget]

Doesnt have to be, some dmging stuff fury deals worse with than other classes

[restive peak]

I think you'll see a lot of ascendance in high keys, personal opinion, but I don't think either choice makes or breaks keys at title level

[dire vigil]

This is a good debate proc right here

[empty carbon]

wahts the best bran setup for delves fury

[hard widget]

Regardless, the dmg diff (if played optimal) for duskthreat to ascendence was only 2% in st. That is perfect play, so i can imagine with all the times it isnt perfect in m+ dusktreat is just ahead

[restive peak]

And I also think by the time you have 2 mythic weps + are into high enough keys, you'll have all 3 crafted

[hard widget]

Especially considering the extra free survivability u get

[restive peak]

And can swap as needed

[hard widget]

Probably

[restive peak]

But I think for right now, and going into vault keys/raid, the wep has a higher current value

[hard widget]

For raiders yes

For non raiders idunno

[restive peak]

You won't be into 16s week 4, but you'll be able to craft dusk by then

[dire vigil]

That’s true

[hard widget]

Can say the same about the first REAL st encounter in raid

[dire vigil]

Yeah you can definitely craft weapon, 2 bracers, and a belt by high key pushing time

[restive peak]

The first real ST encounter in raid you'll want ascend and a good wep

More than you'll want 2 duskweave

[hard widget]

But thats not till far down

Because boss 3 shouldnt give u issues lets be real

[gilded pawn]

Swap enchants mid dungeon

[summer crater]

Interesting with the enhancement buff

[restive peak]

But boss 3 does have a shit ton of tick dmg

And you'll lose duskweave a lot

Enhance was nerfed massively

[summer crater]

Really?

[restive peak]

Enhance ate triple the nerf we did

[hard widget]

My hp through the fight

Reminder, its 80% now

[restive peak]

Heroic brother

[hard widget]

I know this is HC, but still

[restive peak]

Mythic is 3x the outgoing damage

And healers are typically your least geared team

I see the argument for both in M+, there is no argument where duskweave is the play for early prog mythic

[hard widget]

With our build we have massive self sustain tho

[restive peak]

None

[hard widget]

Idk man

[restive peak]

You will be below 80%, and you will need the highest ilvl wep possible.

[hard widget]

I dont think its as bad as you might think

[restive peak]

I think running a 626 wep and duskweave is worse than a 636 wep and ascend early in 100% of raid scenarios

It's not bad, but it's not better

[hard widget]

Im not talking about crafting something else than a wep

Im talking about the embellishments

[restive peak]

Well if you're making a wep you have to send the crests

So you're not making wep+2 duskweaves during prog

[dire vigil]

Making a wep also does cut down on the cost of upgrading another wep

[restive peak]

You're 4 weeks from having 2 more crafts

^ that as well

[hard widget]

U have myth craft from crests, pvp craft at 610 and hc craft

[restive peak]

The myth craft requires 2 sparks brother

[hard widget]

Im aware

[restive peak]

I'm confused then

[hard widget]

Pvp craft doesnt cost anything but conquest

We get a new spark in 1.5

[restive peak]

If you're making a wep early, you'd be stupid NOT to embellish it

And a 610 wep to a 636 is 70k

[hard widget]

What im saying there is options that u could use to double dusk with a wep craft

[buoyant salmon]

610 ivll is pretty low though

[hard widget]

On ur off pieces it doesnt really matter THAT much

Since ull be upgrading ur tier pieces etc first anyways

[restive peak]

Yeah but that would be lower dps

[hard widget]

Its 3 ilvls on 2 pieces

[restive peak]

2 crafted duskweaves and a 610 wep

Is not better than an embellished 636 wep

[hard widget]

Linc, i think ur over reading the part where i said craft a wep

At 636

[restive peak]

...this entire conversation has been about your reasoning for prioing duskweave

[hollow owl]

hey guys, sorry if this is a dumb question but I'm just getting into retail:

should i always prio ilvl over secondary stats?

[hard widget]

Im not prioing it at all xd

[little cosmos]

good to know. this isnt looking to get better. lol

[hard widget]

Im just saying i dont think it is AS BAD as u think

[restive peak]

I never said it was bad

[buoyant salmon]

besides on trinkets neck and ring, where there can be a little bit of nuance, yes always prio ilvl

[restive peak]

I said it was the lesser option for prog

Which it is

I also don't think it's necessarily better for high keys

[hard widget]

And thats where i dont agree

[restive peak]

I think the only place duskweave is for sure better is mid/low keys, and heroic raid, or reclears

[hollow owl]

so it's okay to lose 675 mastery and 375 haste for 195 str, 1.4k stam, 521 crit, and 619 versatility?

are the secondary stats that close in terms of power gained?

[hard widget]

Linc, you are playing in a team that does 50000 splits, raid 8 nights a week 27 hours a day. And u got a fully organised m+ team, ur situation is VERY UNIQUE compared to 99% of other people

So yes for you there is no chance at all for this to even be considered

[buoyant salmon]

yes

[restive peak]

That doesn't matter

[buoyant salmon]

yes

[restive peak]

The situation where you play doesn't change numerical value

[hollow owl]

awesome, thank you!

[hard widget]

It does tho, we aint getting 8 pieces of loot per raid

So we have less loot to play around

[restive peak]

....if anything, that arguement would lend more to me NOT crafting a wep

[hard widget]

So for us a 610 piece is less drastic than for u

[restive peak]

Because I'm more likely to get 639 mythic weps earlier than you

[hard widget]

Linc bro i said 5 times to craft 636 wep xD

[restive peak]

....

[hard widget]

Im talking dusk on 610 pvp crafts

[willow cradle]

H Silken is kinda whack, You'd think I'd wanna pad adds but no, bigger damage by using cds on boss

[restive peak]

If you're making a 636 wep

You want to put the embellish on it

[hard widget]

The embellishment doesnt get better with the ilvl of ur wep

[restive peak]

So you're arguing for crafting a 636 non embellished wep, and making 610 duskweaves, when you'll need gear that you actually get your hands on MORE than me

So you're pre-handicapping 2 spots you're now stuck with at 610 for 4 weeks

So if your 1st vault has mythic bracers, and your first 5 M+ runs drop mythic boots, but you crafted duskweave 610 boots/bracers, all your early drops are useless to you

[hard widget]

What im saying (based on not being giga lucky on loot) or non raiders, we dont have enough crests to upgrade those pieces regardless

So we only lose 3 ilvls on 2 pieces

Unless ur in a position like you, where u get funneled gear by having so many splits

[restive peak]

3, no, because the week you get your 2nd craft you'll have another 90 mythic crests, also if you get a 623 bracer in your vault week 1 you'll want to take it

[dire vigil]

At present, I have a CE-caliber raid team. I do not have a title-caliber m+ team. That alone qualifies to roll with the weapon first knowing I can have everything in like 6 weeks

[rigid stirrup]

Spell reflecting the dashes on nexus princess chefs kiss

[restive peak]

Noone is doing title level keys before they'll have 3 crafts regardless

[hard widget]

Which is completely fine ^^

[dire vigil]

Also true

[hard widget]

Nobody will do title period for weeks

But im curious to see the dusk vs ascendence in keys. Im team dusktreat

(for m+)

[dire vigil]

Meta strat: focusing on raid embellishment > better raid performance > higher loot prio > more gear received for m+ 🫡

[buoyant salmon]

i think dusk will be better in m+ too

but i always crfaft for raid

[restive peak]

I see where both have high value for high M+

Dusk is definitely better for mid/low keys and heroic raid (past first 2 weeks or so)

A lot of these keys will have 5+m boss fights taking more than half the timer, if ascend is better for those lengths, and damage outgoing is high, ascendance wins those

[hard widget]

U know what kind of trouble we needed to get ourselves in to keep signet uptime, and that timer was way longer than the ascendence one

[restive peak]

I mean sims start ascend at 0 as well

Technically if you go into a 5m fight at full stacks, ascend DEFINITELY wins then

[hard widget]

Yeah but ull lose it all the fucking time if u dont have comms with ur tank

Especially if u got urself a rogue or some shit that wants to restealth every 10 seconds

[restive peak]

I mean I am running w a rogue 😛

[hard widget]

Well its either rip his stealth or rip ur ascendence

[restive peak]

I think there's also gonna be a certain key where it's better, and certain where it's not, mists has forced downtime for example

Several others allow chainpulling and will REQUIRE chainpulling

Dawnbreaker is another

[hard widget]

Good luck selling that to ur rogue xD

[restive peak]

But again, by the time this is even an issue, you'll have crafts

She knows, she's fine w it, it's not that big of a drop off for outlaw

[hard widget]

It is a dropoff tho

All those things combined

[restive peak]

A dropoff that's gonna occur regardless in high keys

No rogue team is stopping for 5s every pull for their overall DPS

The constant 5s time loss is worse than the minor dps loss

That's basically an old key death every pull

[hard widget]

It depends really, if u play with an assa rogue u most definitely want to wait as example

[buoyant salmon]

7 of these 8 dungeons are complete shit anyways

so doesnt matter

[restive peak]

Aya and assa, name a less likely duo

😛

[clever path]

with the upcomming nerf, would it be worth it to swap to thane?

[hard widget]

Once again, ur in a position with a full coordinated group with comms

[buoyant salmon]

#updates-midnight

[restive peak]

She played outlaw for imperative when outlaw was "bad", so not a concern

[hard widget]

Most people arent

[restive peak]

But there will always be those nuances

[buoyant salmon]

ayako is unbelievably good at outlaw rogue

[restive peak]

You can create arguments around nuance for everything

[buoyant salmon]

bond played ele shaman

bond is unbelievably good at ele shaman

[restive peak]

Ye some people are just goated

[buoyant salmon]

if ur good enough ur in the raid

until like top 5 in the world

[restive peak]

For example on the nuance point; I do 5% less dps by not having a monk, but no group is going out of their way to make sure I have a monk EVERY run

Oh 110%

Mage could be weak, think firedup is sittin? LEWL

[buoyant salmon]

sorry little tangent lol

[restive peak]

No you're cookin boo, get it

[buoyant salmon]

show me where fiedup is nerd

get owned

liar.

[restive peak]

LOL

[hard widget]

Linc thats about teamcomp tho, u build a comp best suited for ur comp (thats why ur running brew, war, outlaw, and enha right?)

[restive peak]

We're not runnin enh, we're runnin aug cuz Kubie prefers aug

[buoyant salmon]

(the most extreme outlier boss possibly ever)

[restive peak]

It's not optimal

I got title S2 with prot pala, fire mage, havoc DH, fury warr, disc priest

[buoyant salmon]

wait qbs name is kubie

thats insane

[restive peak]

Yeah

Lol

[buoyant salmon]

idk why thats such a big shocker to me but it is

[restive peak]

xD

[hard widget]

Im not saying its impossible to get title kekw, but this is diverting very far from Ascendance vs Dusktreat

[restive peak]

All that my point is on those things is saying duskweave is 100% the better choice for high keys is not a factual statement, it's an opinion

[hard widget]

I didnt say that tho

[willow cradle]

fuck

[buoyant salmon]

LMFAOOO

[restive peak]

Advising people that play M+ to craft duskweave 1st is saying that, that's how this conversation started

Dude I was gonna paint insert firedup too LOL

[hard widget]

Thats also not what i said

[restive peak]

But I suck at paint

[willow cradle]

here

[hard widget]

I said M+ players will most likely focus more on Dusktreat lining than Ascendance

[restive peak]

If you don't think that, what is the point of arguing so vehemently for it then? I truly don't understand your point

It's not most likely though, it's a maybe right now

[hard widget]

Well you said u think ascendance is gonna be better in m+ which i dont agree with xd

[restive peak]

If high keys have very high damage output, and perma tyrann enforces 5-6m boss fights 3-4x a run

I didn't say gonna, I said I see where both have a place, and this is why I'm repeating myself so much

[hard widget]

Double Duskthread Lining on wrist and cloak is ~2% behind for Fury and tied for Arms, but much better suited for Mythic+.

This is literally from the embellishment FAQ

[restive peak]

There IS no consensus, and sims, as we've seen this week, mean very little at that little of a margin

There are tons of seasons where what's optimal for 10-15s is not what's optimal for 19-20s

The guide is not supposed to cater to the 1%, it's supposed to cater to the majority.

[vast prism]

How bad is the wildfire wick trinket?

[hard widget]

I get ur point, but once again. Remember the audience ur talking to tho

Ur in a position 99,9% of people arent in

[restive peak]

For example, everyone said WI was dogwater and Noxiv was the #1 fury warr never removing it, and swore by it for awhile.

The level I play it doesn't impact the gear choices on things we will all have within 6-8 weeks regardless

[buoyant salmon]

what is wi

[hard widget]

The level of play directly impacts the amount of uptime and value you will get from ascendance

[restive peak]

Duskweave is better for low/mid keys and heroic, duskweave is better with good uptime on AOE portions of M+, it is not better on ST fights in any place, and there's a very real possibility a 30m timer will have 16m of boss fights <--- I would choose whatever is better for the more dangerous portion and above 50% of the dungeon, personally.

[restive peak]

Whispering icon

[naive swallow]

is ST spear opening sth like reck+ava > ramp > then spear ?

or reck+ava and insta spear > then ramp CB BB

[restive peak]

And the audience we're speaking to wants to know what's best now, and for the next few weeks for heroic/early mythic, and that answer is a 636 wep with ascendance.

[hard widget]

Reck ava ramp spear bladestorm

[naive swallow]

bs why

[restive peak]

Because by the time they need options, they'll have 3 crafts. And those 3 crafts cost me the exact same 270 crests they cost you.

[buoyant salmon]

bc its good

[naive swallow]

higher api?

[buoyant salmon]

wdym why

[restive peak]

BS is strong as fuck

[hard widget]

Because it slaps

[naive swallow]

oh shit i havent been pressing that

unless filler

alright

[buoyant salmon]

thats old fury

this is new fury

[hard widget]

Linc, i think ur mixing up a lot of different conversations into 1. Im purely talking about dusktreat vs Ascendance not about weeks, craft, mythic raid gear or crests or anything

I thought we established that people wont push anyways for quite a while

[restive peak]

I'm not mixing it up

[versed cipher]

[restive peak]

There is an argument for both, it's just not the argument you decided on.

[hard widget]

Im making an argument for dusk vs ascendance not based on the weeks u play it in

[restive peak]

If you're saying once we push, unequivocally because of sims, duskweave will be better 100%, you are not necessarily right.

[hard widget]

If u involve the weeks into it then it becomes an entire different story

[hard widget]

Once again thats not what i said

[restive peak]

If you're arguing for a point of the next few weeks, then wep ABSOLUTELY wins the debate

If you're arguing for the long term, you'll have both options and we'll know more once it's put into practice.

I touched on all the scenarios on purpose.

[hard widget]

I quoted what the Embellishment FAQ says

[restive peak]

Yes, if you're going to do 12s and heroic, once you have 2 myth weps, 2 duskweave is better

[hard widget]

#1237307555961634826 message

[restive peak]

I already said that several times

[hard widget]

But do you think the majority is gonna do 17's with premade groups like you?

[restive peak]

I think a lot of the people coming here to ask questions are aspiring to

And I think you should always approach the game with the place you're hoping to achieve in mind, so understanding both sides and purposes is important.

[hard widget]

I see ur point, i respect it. But i dont agree with it

[restive peak]

That's cool, and we'll know more in a few weeks; I think mythic raid and high keys will drop duskweave to 50% uptime often, and it loses at that number, so we'll see soon. I'll be crafting 2 duskweaves later in the season as well, I don't hate duskweave, I just don't think anyone should be rushing it right now.

[hard widget]

We can come back to the convo in a few weeks with some logs to see

[glad escarp]

Fellas. Nerfs. We concerned or are we still furious mains.

[hard widget]

If 2x dusktreat is better u owe me a big mac, if ascendance is better i owe you one @restive peak

[versed cipher]

#furyforlife

[restive peak]

By the end of farm, and mid tier keys, duskweave will ofc win. There's a place for both.

We're fine Zac

[glad escarp]

Sick. I figured as much

[restive peak]

Very minor, other things equal or above us got nerfed worse.

[glad escarp]

I just dont wanna play arms man.

Idm arms but fury.....fury is my beloved

[golden badge]

question about the weapon with darkmoon ascension: how much stat is that as a bonus? And is it worth getting as first big craft, or should I wait so I can get the nerubian thingie at the same time ?

[buoyant salmon]

ur not doing hard enough content to worry about it almost certainly

play fury akways

[restive peak]

Yo they buffed brood and ansurek mythic like WILD

Lol

[hard widget]

U can craft the armor band on another piece like a pvp craft at 610 ilvl till you get something better

Which still allows u to run 2x embellishments

[restive peak]

Ye I crafted PVP belt w a socket w the nerubian armor personally

[hard widget]

On feet for me

[restive peak]

Feltbad passing on the 3 619 belts we had drop in my split RIP

But life happens lol

[hard widget]

Just recraft boots kek

[restive peak]

Socket OP

[hard widget]

Its only 5 ilvls after nerf

[buoyant salmon]

no crafts or upgrades

[hard widget]

Surely its more worth to just send the belt no?

[restive peak]

We just prayg for mythic belt Tues

Choco is huge

[hard widget]

Yeah thats fair

[restive peak]

Missing a wep though

[buoyant salmon]

should craft pvp boots but not doin allat

[hard widget]

More chance for myth belt

[glad escarp]

Eh. Still wanna be useful for my guild while we push for CE.

[buoyant salmon]

prot spec

[hard widget]

Gaming

[buoyant salmon]

cant equip

[restive peak]

xD

[restive peak]

Fury is super strong, arms ST slightly better, but likely not enough to make or break a kill

Play what you like

[hard widget]

Dmg diff between the 2 is neglectable if ur pushing for CE

[restive peak]

I bet we see arms and fury in the RWF on the same bosses

[glad escarp]

Hell yeah. dont mind me then

[restive peak]

Like 1 team will have an arms on Sikran and 1 will have a fury, it won't matter

[glad escarp]

I feel bad for Boomy's tho man

Are they better than Augs with those buffs?

[buoyant salmon]

u will have the ppl say arms is bettery for sikran bc execute is harder part of the fight though

[glad escarp]

Or is it still Pepehands

[dusk vault]

whats the haste cap for fury warrior RN ?

[restive peak]

Ye for sure, but won't make or break the kill I mean

We have no idea for boomies but the numbers were big, so probably gonna be at least viable now

[hard widget]

I think the biggest argument for arms will be rasha nan

[buoyant salmon]

yeah barring more changes

[hard widget]

Since it starts 60%

[buoyant salmon]

just depends on your guilds add killers

but yeah arms can definitely be the move

[golden badge]

I used to like arms, but I can't get into it sadly this expansion, switched to fury for the first time since Nathria 0.5 patch when fury went full steam ahead

[empty nimbus]

not silken? I thought the 2 target would be juicer for arms

[open storm]

how do you use thunderclap as mountain thane only press it on the proc then just normal prio for fury?>

[sullen dove]

why not all 606

farm the stones bub

[buoyant salmon]

ium goin rn

[sullen dove]

[static ridge]

how much mastery do i want prefer for capped as fury warrior for raiding 🙂 ?

[hard widget]

I think the issue with silken is that they spend quite some time apart

But then again maybe im completely wrong there

[sullen dove]

need few more stones for last boots

then grindin the conq for 610 bracer

(epic bgs fucking suck)

[static ridge]

nice wep you got there

[sullen dove]

(lost 3 in a row)

ya

[static ridge]

both crafted ?

[sullen dove]

just one? other is from mists

[static ridge]

ohh

[tiny hare]

should we craft our weaps already?

[sullen dove]

idk i did cuz dont rly care they're not gonna nerf the embell

just minus some gold and acuity apparently to recraft at 636

but w/e

[hard widget]

You can craft. 610 pvp wep if u want darkmoon ascendance

[sullen dove]

its crazy how many ppl in my guild have asked and few have actually committed to making enchanted heroic crests

i try to convince them its stupid and they say "but its ok i do more damage now"

[static ridge]

how is fury warrior so high up on normal dps tier list for raid

didnt they get nerf ?

[sullen dove]

like... 2 hours ago

cant imagine thats updated

[static ridge]

Are the nerf big ?

[sullen dove]

and even still bosses are still pretty heavily favoring warrior cds

[hard widget]

😂😂

[hard widget]

No

[warm pewter]

Warrior

Colossus : Mountain of Muscle and Scars increases damage dealt by 5% (was 4%).
Colossus : Damage dealt by Demolish’s two initial strikes increased by 20%.
Mountain Thane: Thunder Blast, Lightning Strikes, and Ground Current damage increased by 6%.
Arms
    Bladestorm damage reduced by 10%.
Fury
    Bladestorm damage reduced by 10%.
    Odyn’s Fury damage reduced by 15%.
    Mountain Thane: Strength of the Mountain increases Bloodthirst and Rampage damage by 20% (was 15%).

[static ridge]

will fury warrior still be better then arms for raidign ?

[sullen dove]

probably ya

[hard widget]

#updates-midnight

[tiny hare]

wait is there an weekly for 610 weapon?

[static ridge]

so i guess arms is better ?

[buoyant salmon]

for pure st yes

xslightly

[hard widget]

Yes, but u cant complete till next week

[static ridge]

For season 1 raid do we want to go arms or fury i didnt find out

[buoyant salmon]

whatever u like more

[hard widget]

Its 15k dmg diff, you can play what u like

[restive peak]

^

This is the correct answer

[upbeat sentinel]

They buffed mobs in solo delves

https://tenor.com/view/why-persian-room-cat-guardian-but-why-trendizisst-anyaboz-gif-2156104475561014590

[winter shoal]

I just did all my delves solo and it was fine

[unreal shuttle]

do you guys use a weak aura to track enrage?

Please be kind, I have 4 brain cells

[winter shoal]

Yes, I have a progress bar under my rage bar in the middle of my screen for it

[tulip swallow]

I have an icon for enrage, yeah

I haven't needed it for the last several expansions tbh, but I just keep it because i'm used to it

[restive peak]

Delves are a meme still

Or again, IDK, I didn't do any on the interim of last nights fuckery to todays fix

[open storm]

hey so for delving with mountain thane TC replaces WW and just hit it when it procs

whats the skill prio after using the procd TC

[naive swallow]

dude why do i feel like im doing more st with roar

[restive peak]

Comfort

The diff is extremely miniscule

[naive swallow]

ye personally much prefer that

[vivid lagoon]

10k difference such a big difference lol

[restive peak]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/84zeG852GzqLhoCSynsU15

3.75k dps

Diff

From spear to roar

[winter shoal]

I didn't play spear on a single fight in df and I did just fine even on single target

[robust shore]

Fury nerf an issue or we still goated?

[restive peak]

VERY within the margin of RNG

[tulip swallow]

I guess it's because the itemization is kind of shit but delves being better vault than heroic raid feels weird man

[cedar plinth]

What ilvl are people comfortably completing 8+ delves solo? Are there specific delves easier for warriors?

[unreal stump]

I mean im scared we are not even competitive for m+ after nerfs

[tulip swallow]

I was doing it at like 580 the day they came out

[winter shoal]

I did them at 602 without too much trouble

[hard widget]

We already werent meta

[restive peak]

I'm 609 so a bit over it, but I just ran through all 4 delves solo in like 35m

[hard widget]

We still arent

[restive peak]

including flying

Melee will never be meta, if you care about M+ meta, it's time to reroll mage

[hard widget]

But were fine

[unreal stump]

Y i know but i mean decent enough im alredy happy

[restive peak]

You also won't be unable to push because you're a warrior

[buoyant salmon]

wdym competetive

fury will be good

[frank dawn]

I felt like when I crossed the 590 mark it started to feel less butt clencing on every pull

[buoyant salmon]

especially in a physical comp which is looking to be pretty viable

[restive peak]

I think we end within 1-2 key levels of whatever ends meta w our phys comp,

Don't stress the nerf

We're very, very strong

[robust shore]

Feel fury survives very well always has but we got no util so need dam to be invited

[buoyant salmon]

utility isnt real

[restive peak]

Util buzzword; EVERYBODY DRINK

We need a pin for this

[buoyant salmon]

brohter

we will die

[restive peak]

Utility has never mattered

[buoyant salmon]

wdym

[robust shore]

Give warrior lust. We yell to increase health, yell to increase AP. We should yell to get the boys juice’s up and attack faster

[restive peak]

You build the comp based on damage and synergy, then you figure out the uses of whatever those 5 have

[hard widget]

That wont help us at all

[restive peak]

Lust fixes nothing, if they waste whatever addition we get on lust I will lose my fuckin mind.

[robust shore]

It would be fun…

[hard widget]

Fun doesnt give us dps tho

[unreal stump]

100% lust has all sense to me

[restive peak]

You know what would be fun? A shouting battle rez. Or something new we bring

IDK something new and innovative like a banner

On our backs

That doesn't get nerfed before release

That would be wild

[hard widget]

Necrolord kekw

[restive peak]

[buoyant salmon]

god necro owned

[restive peak]

Bro

[unreal shuttle]

are you guys using the luxos WA? and is it the bar that is right below the rage? the yellow bar?

[restive peak]

The vibes before they nuked it were so good, the hype was so real

[hard widget]

I use my own ui 😎

[unreal shuttle]

do you mind linking it? or is that taboo?

[vivid lagoon]

Do you know what I am so confused

[hard widget]

I cant unfortunately its not open

[restive peak]

Bar below abilities is rage

The four on the bottom are your WW stakcs

[buoyant salmon]

i use atrocitys ui, need to sum to him on twitch for it

[restive peak]

I also use Luxthos

[vivid lagoon]

I am 7/8H and elves feels harder than heroic raid lol

[carmine hawk]

whirlwind?

[unreal shuttle]

thanks king

[restive peak]

Np homie

[vivid lagoon]

Delves*

[buoyant salmon]

im 6/8h

washed

[restive peak]

7/8 on 3 chars, wanna die, cannot wait for 2 queen splits Monday

Not srs