fury

[young swan]

what are you bringing arms for

[fickle bluff]

damaj

[sudden tusk]

tbh for me it depends on if the last boss has % based phasing

[native saffron]

What sheet?

[young swan]

arcane mage fdk

[fickle bluff]

The Sheet™️

real

😔

[sudden tusk]

if the last boss phases to final platform at like 40% its over

[radiant plank]

AP buff

[young swan]

fury betta

[radiant plank]

Fury worse

[young swan]

cause it has a real damage profile

[radiant plank]

Slurp some aoe pad and be useless is not a real damage profile

[young swan]

instead of "shit everywhere except execute + 2 target"

[sudden tusk]

tho the fact fury actually gets to aoe might be the deciding factor

[radiant plank]

Why you all saying arms doesnt get to aoe

[sudden tusk]

but idk how good/bad arms is just by taking like 1 point in cleave

[radiant plank]

you just grab cleave from 1x BB

[young swan]

if fury blasts aoe then other classes dont ahve to

[storm lantern]

I think i saw that arms will be better on 2 or 3 fights of the raid or something?

[young swan]

which means the classes better suited to pure ST can go pure ST

its about opportunity cost

[radiant plank]

Havoc enha blast aoe whilst doing more ST if they get to blast aoe

[young swan]

fury sacrifices nothing

[radiant plank]

u dont want fury to ruin their funnel

Only fight I see Fury being played is that Ghuun looking boss

[young swan]

funnel

[radiant plank]

Since that one is constant aoe

[oblique trail]

what funnel does Fury have

[radiant plank]

Nothing

[oblique trail]

AoE BT to increase Reap the Storm procs or wat

[storm lantern]

inb4 reveez just shit on every arms warrior playing Fury

[oblique trail]

oh

You mean

[gray anchor]

i think both of them are good 😄

[oblique trail]

THeir funnels

[radiant plank]

ye

[young swan]

what bosses have adds that you want to be alive for more than 10 seconds

[sudden tusk]

like enhance has funnel

[young swan]

tell me

[sudden tusk]

revvez started working on arms its over

[storm lantern]

NotLikeThis

[sudden tusk]

🛐 Revvez

[dapper goblet]

pls nerf fury before mythic

[radiant plank]

idk but they wont be alive for more than 10s even without fury

enha, arcane, affli, havoc

[sudden tusk]

Nerf Xeos "meatball" wonka

the only fight with meaningfull adds is broodkeeper and last boss by the looks of it

[young swan]

warlock is gate + stones atp

[radiant plank]

I just dont personally see a point in bringing fury to the raid outside of the ghuun boss

[young swan]

(pending sandbagging)

i dont see a reason to bring arms

[sudden tusk]

Silken has those bugs, but they spawn with 80% dr

[radiant plank]

More damage?

idk?

[fickle bluff]

queue the narco tweet or whoever it was

[warped bone]

Unless Arms is ahead by like 10% I'll not care. Much prefer fury playstyle i also don't play in a top 100 guild so why worry

[sudden tusk]

if cleave by itself is enough to play arms on last boss then maybe

[young swan]

do u get more damage from having an arms warrior or just allowing ur ST dudes to do more ST

im betting letting ur ST dudes do ST

[sudden tusk]

but it also depends on hp phasing

since we do lose very little going aoe

[radiant plank]

But the other specs gain ST from doing aoe

[narrow igloo]

[radiant plank]

Why would u wnat fury there to take it away + do less ST than arms

[young swan]

there arent any fights where you let the adds live

so that literally doesnt matter

the only time thats relevant is silken court

[restive pewter]

isnt fury literally 0.67% behind arms

[radiant plank]

Way more now

[restive pewter]

or is it bigger than that

oh

nerfs or somethin?

[radiant plank]

better arms apl

[sudden tusk]

its gonna fall a little farther behind now that Revvez is working on arms sims, and fury trinkets are simming correctly now

[radiant plank]

arms is at 1.505M

[sudden tusk]

had an overperformer in there

[radiant plank]

fury at like 1.480M

[molten wing]

Revvez is actually gonna play prot because Prot has the best execute dmg

[sudden tusk]

revvez prot on sludgefist

swear to god this thing is sim bait tho

[molten wing]

i heard the tasks are pretty annoying so you just dont use it

[restive pewter]

instructions: walk into tank buster

[radiant plank]

Bro that trinket is even made purposefully worse in sims than it could be

[gray anchor]

what even are the instructions

[sudden tusk]

really?

jump 3 times, stand in a spot, chase an orb

[fickle bluff]

the sim does include a "solve time" yeah

[warped bone]

So a 1.3% difference now? Eh small enough not to matter

[radiant plank]

Yeah it takes 3s to gain the buff in sim when we could have it just insta complete

[gray anchor]

minigames feelstrongman

[sudden tusk]

what will the boys in brown think of next

[molten wing]

get the ultimate instruction and get twice as much strenght:

go to warr discord
ping Archi
Ask for the priority rotation which is pinned and in every guide
and then call him out for not answering your question

[sour frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[restive pewter]

LMAO

[sour frigate]

NOW

[fickle bluff]

it actually rolls which task you get then allocates time accordingly

[radiant plank]

Holy

[fickle bluff]

or thats what archi said he made it do

previously it was using an average solve time

[sudden tusk]

cant wait til you're mid pull and it spawns the soak circle or the orb in a fucking puddle of death

[molten wing]

which is why you would rather just use another trinket

[warped bone]

Surely it will avoid shit on floor

[radiant plank]

Meanwhile in Arms

[sudden tusk]

praise be

death to the transmitter

up with the sac

[tall surge]

would You guys recommend slayer or thane for delves?

[sudden tusk]

cant wait to not see a single Myth track sacbrood in my vualt

[warped bone]

Slayer

You will get it Madox. Just the week before a new season!

[gray anchor]

i still have to run amirdrassil for axe mog...

[fickle bluff]

mandate

[rare coral]

Whats the point of flexing the most optimal 99,9% perfectly executed endgame gear arms sims if most of yall cant even hold your dps on heroics

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/despicable-me-laughing-laugh-minion-popcorn-gif-5267724

[rare coral]

💀💀

[radiant plank]

its a comparison between trinkets

smh

didnt even read context

[rare coral]

I didnt even mean you but good that you expose yourself as one of them

[restive pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/cook-chef-wok-saute-cooking-food-gif-16993886

[fickle bluff]

who hurt you man are you alright

[sudden tusk]

tbh arms isnt even that big of a deal im just worse at arms for some reason

[restive pewter]

arms def harder right?

[fickle bluff]

not really

[restive pewter]

fury kinda unga

[sudden tusk]

arms rotation is pretty static esp without battlelord

[errant vessel]

most if not all specs are kinda unga tbh

[clever belfry]

arms is simpler now than it was in DF

[radiant plank]

pilav xd

[clever belfry]

and in DF u just pressed MS when it was up

[sudden tusk]

half the reason is Skullsplitter

[restive pewter]

maybe im missing something with fury or im just more comfortable with it but it feels way harder to do dmg on my ww

[sudden tusk]

that button needs to die

[broken kindle]

Which prio do we have as slayer fury?
BT>Rampage>RB?

[clever belfry]

SkS is the only intresting part of arms rn

[fickle bluff]

rb (to a point) > rampage > bt

[fading sky]

SKS = good

[restive pewter]

crushing blow best button in the game

[sudden tusk]

if sks was an aoe in front of you that effected all targets maybe

that would own

[fickle bluff]

consumption my beloved

[rare coral]

Imagine if still only arms had bladestorm

Crazy

[errant vessel]

last time I played ww they weren't that different in difficulty

[restive pewter]

yeah i could just be less comfortable with the rotation

[molten wing]

ww is a bit weirder now

tiger palm being this high on priority feels a bit weird

[upbeat sentinel]

https://gyazo.com/c11b13a2388c74bf776b142716c55915

new copy paste dropped

[errant vessel]

ye gotta be honest and say that I haven't played ww since s1 df, so I might be outdated

[rancid blade]

How are you guys planing to do the high lvl delvs? I thought about doing it in Tankspec with Brann as healer, but loot specialiszation Arms, at least as long as the gearlvl isnt high enough

[gilded flicker]

Did someone try the trinket from the brewery? I don’t have but my brother with his alt was hitting like 50m a pull

[fickle bluff]

its bugged

its not splitting damage atm

[molten wing]

tier 8 seems to be recommended for ilvl 600+ but i remember seeing a post how a guy in 585 did it without any issues so its probably not that hard

but its mostly respecting the mechanics and i'll probably make sure brann is a healer

[warped bone]

I'll go in as fury. If i have issues I'll just switch to prot and breeze through it

[upbeat sentinel]

Does crafting a 2h cost 2 crests instead of 1?

or is it just more efficient on crests than dw'ing

(for non-fury specs)

[solid vortex]

been a while since i played, i remember humans got some kinda weapon specialization, as a human warrior does it matter the weapon anymore?

[golden hare]

just make sure it has strength and ideally is a two hander

[solid vortex]

cause i got a nice 2h mace pattern in that 20 wave gauntlet thing

yeah i figure that is how it is now, just ilv matters

[tribal siren]

no, weapon skills ridded away from game long time ago.

[golden hare]

the riddler

[solid vortex]

cause i saw a wowhead post and they got their bis stuff out and i laughed when i saw a sword, im like what about maces and axes

they should put any 2h weapon

[upbeat sentinel]

The human passive is horrifically bad now lol

[fickle bluff]

no, its two sparks

[chrome plover]

no

[upbeat sentinel]

Doesn't that make staves a lot better than 1h-OH and 2handers better than DW for FDK 🤔

[radiant plank]

[fickle bluff]

no

[chrome plover]

hmm

[fickle bluff]

unless theres funny embellishments (like there is currently) you wont want all crafted weapons since theyre 3ilvls lower

and youd never have more than one crafted weapon

[sudden tusk]

Imagine they wait unti lafter mythic week to nerf DM A

[upbeat sentinel]

Yaa FDK does dual HWG tho

[chrome plover]

you can recraft off the embellishment right?

[upbeat sentinel]

Unless you have the weapon off of Mythic Queen

[fickle bluff]

what is hwg

[upbeat sentinel]

BWG*

Blessed weapon grip

[radiant plank]

yeah

[fickle bluff]

you dont use two crafted weapons though

[upbeat sentinel]

I thought it was holy weapon grip

in my head

[fickle bluff]

you use one crafted weapon

[radiant plank]

wtf is blessed weapon grip

[fickle bluff]

and writhing armour banding

[upbeat sentinel]

na it's dual hwg if you don't have mythic queen wep

go look lol

[slate escarp]

raid Fury or Arms?

[fickle bluff]

are you listening to me?

[upbeat sentinel]

if you do have mythic queen wep you use writhing armor

[fickle bluff]

i never said its not

[radiant plank]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=219495/blessed-weapon-grip

wtf is thtis

[fickle bluff]

you just dont duel wield crafted weapons simple as

because theyre lower ilvl

[upbeat sentinel]

Writhing doesn't work on Blessed Weapon Grip because it's not Nerubian

[chrome plover]

is anyone using that

[fickle bluff]

never heard of it before now so i assume not

[radiant plank]

idk FDK guide from wowhead says they are using Ascendance + queen ansuerk weapon

[chrome plover]

everything is ascension + writhing

[upbeat sentinel]

Only if they can get the Mythic Queen Wep

[radiant plank]

This is the only thing mentioned

regarding that embe

"This weapon-only embellishment tends to sim lower than Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension ; however, it has no strings attached to its performance. A potential placeholder for the first week of dungeon farming when combat will be too short for Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension Darkmoon Sigil: Ascension to stack up."

[fickle bluff]

you know its not hard to get a 639 weapon right

it doesnt have to be from mythic last boss

[radiant plank]

and here is their crafted gear guide

Which relates to what the note is about too

[chrome plover]

i was wondering that, surely theres another str 1h
weapon in the raid

[radiant plank]

Which again only says 1x crafted weapon

not 2x

[radiant plank]

There is a 1H sword from Sikran

[valid tree]

Does annyone know if you send Spear into Bladestorm in your singeltarget opener?

[upbeat sentinel]

Haste primary for Sikran vs Crit primary for Queen

[storm lantern]

WIll be irrelevant tomorrow, but , final stats before S1

😄

[iron portal]

It prob is irrelevant even now but nice anyway

[upbeat sentinel]

Irrelevant because the bosses roll over and die regardless of your stat distribution ya

https://gyazo.com/565cd15c85502c2e6b3022c39785a402 DK

https://gyazo.com/2710b5ebce23da9ba3d6a4d622afde28 Warrior

[iron portal]

But I dont want to buzzkiller so enjoy

[storm lantern]

It's just a meme, don't worry 😄

Tier set will shoot up critical strike, sadly

[upbeat sentinel]

god bless we do not get a lot of mastery-using tier pieces

[molten wing]

reck/avatar charge rampage to enrage spear into bladestorm

[tardy lark]

that is such an odd thing to feel sad about

[storm lantern]

Crit is our worst stat

[upbeat sentinel]

It's just listed as our worst secondary so they can't feel like they're super well itemized

but crit is still good for us

[storm lantern]

ofc

Warrior has that all secundaries directly contribute to more damages

that can't be said for some classes

[tardy lark]

what classes have secondaries that dont give them damage

what

[floral olive]

Just be like this

[upbeat sentinel]

Mastery over 100% as Ele

[storm lantern]

I mean, at a way worse rate

[native saffron]

Whats the go to for the first week? Stay full ST talents or juggle them around?

[tardy lark]

so mastery still gives damage

[radiant plank]

[storm lantern]

Our arms brothers can just yoink the highest ilvl without questionning anything

smug~1

[upbeat sentinel]

I mean we kind of can too?

[storm lantern]

Kinda yeah

[upbeat sentinel]

outside of trinkets what armor pieces would not be upgrades for us just by being ilvl upgrades

[storm lantern]

because all of the secundaries have a high value for us

So it's a no brainer

[upbeat sentinel]

and tbf trinkets are probably usually an upgrade just by ilvl too but if you take a non-BiS trinket for ilvl over someone else in raid who it's BiS for you should be pelted with rocks

(unless it's a pug, fuck em)

[reef bison]

ayo is fury bis for levleling

[storm lantern]

Any spec is fine for leveling

[upbeat sentinel]

levelling is dog piss easy play what you know/like

Unless you mean for like lvl 10

in which case play arms or prot until 27 and then go fury if u want

[iron portal]

Leveling is so easy , it might as well be tutorial

[upbeat sentinel]

Ya but fury from 10-27 sucks horrifically to play

IMO anyway

you have no rage spender lol

[fickle bluff]

bfa fury got rampage at level 12 or something 👴

i know it was 14 in legion

[tardy lark]

Ya but fury from 10-27 sucks horrifically to play

[fickle bluff]

holy

[upbeat sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-todd-arian-moayed-inventing-anna-leave-gif-25142642

rampage being 12th in priority on our rotation is uh

pretty awful tho

[tardy lark]

how is it 12th

what

[oblique trail]

It's a lot higher if you remove all the CDs

[tardy lark]

its basically you highest priority button if you arent enraged

[upbeat sentinel]

raging blow is above it lol

the only things below it (if ur enraged) are bloodthirst and slam

[tardy lark]

you are not losing rampage casts just because you are pressing more RB

[upbeat sentinel]

not because of that no

[tardy lark]

i swear priority list conditional comprehension cant be that hard

[upbeat sentinel]

but we do seem a lot more willing to overcap rage this tier than usual

[oblique trail]

It was a similar case in S1 of DF

[tardy lark]

and S3

[fickle bluff]

people these days are incapable of making a WA to track a buff

[tardy lark]

everytime RA is a thing

[stray mirage]

How tf yall maintain AJ?!

[eternal sundial]

Sd

[stray mirage]

Isn’t it proc based/RNG on when I get SD

[fickle bluff]

yes

[stray mirage]

So if I don’t get SD every 10 secs I’m fuked?!

[fickle bluff]

yes

(more like 13)

[tardy lark]

[stray mirage]

Sweet Jesus baby Christ on a bicycle

[upbeat sentinel]

🙂

[chrome plover]

Sweet Jesus baby Christ on a bicycle

[summer bobcat]

whats SD

[upbeat sentinel]

Sudden death

[stray mirage]

Idgi how champion’s spear is better than roar on ST 💀

[eternal sundial]

Critting is good

[oblique trail]

Because crit damage and Fury doesn't gain a ton from bleed amps

[eternal sundial]

Critting harder is good

[stray mirage]

Hmmmm

But crit is like 3rd on our stat weights

[eternal sundial]

So

[fickle bluff]

stat weights dont exist

[river reef]

not the statweights again..

[oblique trail]

Reck also exists, and we have a few talents that also favour critting, like Opportunist

[stray mirage]

STAT WEIGHTS IS DED?!

[river reef]

work angle?

[oblique trail]

It's been dead for a long time

[fickle bluff]

for like 10 years yeah

[stray mirage]

Holy Christ on a tricycle

[chrome plover]

not this guy again

[stray mirage]

Thanks for the feedback bois

[river reef]

[chrome plover]

when are you playing wow again

wow is so back

tww owns

[river reef]

holy

[tardy lark]

wcl lady saying wow up good

[stray mirage]

I’m surprise that anger management is ded too

[chrome plover]

true but it’s all Chinese wotlk players apparently lmao

[fickle bluff]

in china

[edgy widget]

Y’all have no idea how huge WoW is in CN

[tardy lark]

china up good

[edgy widget]

Like the sheer scale is staggering

[river reef]

china fuck good

[chrome plover]

I hear they have a few people living over there

[edgy widget]

People wonder why they get so many extra promos and shit

[tardy lark]

Chine throwing money at blizz so i get (hopefully) better game or whoever the CEO is gets a bigger yacht

i only see wins

[edgy widget]

I don’t even report a third of them, seriously every other week there’s a new promo

[tardy lark]

Do you actually have different areas you guys cover with regards to articles

[river reef]

is china playerbase also all boomers?

[edgy widget]

A soft yes, but we all flex

[edgy widget]

It is considered a boomer game, yeah

[summer bobcat]

can they even play wow?

[clever belfry]

promos also go over better in east asia

same with all the games doing silly little collabs for some stickers with takeout places over there

[rare coral]

Do you guys really like the 5% movement passive or hurl skill more than the 20% health regen immunity skill?

Just curious if 5% movement passive is that important

[fickle bluff]

bitter immunity is bad

[rare coral]

Why?

[fickle bluff]

because its 20% on a 3 minute cd

[rare coral]

Its not there and made to spam?

[clever belfry]

have u heard of impending victory

[rare coral]

Its a situational skill if something fucked up

[iron portal]

its good for pvp

thats about it

[fickle bluff]

you have healthstones, health pot and IV for that

[rare coral]

I guess in a perfect world you wont need to heal

[fickle bluff]

BI is just bad

[rare coral]

I guess healthstones are there true

[chrome plover]

I'd rather have 5% movement speed fr

[rare coral]

I keep the 20% heal for ugly situations

Sounds safer for mythic

[river reef]

5% big when you die to aggro in m+ so you can run back faster

[rare coral]

You can leap away

[rigid kestrel]

This. migbt be a stupid question but how hard / bad is it to craft embe wep with darkmoon for m+?
Seems it is quite hard to keep up, but is it alot behind for example 2x the vers?

[eternal lance]

[mossy fox]

someone said i have a huge chinese fanbase

i am totally unaware of this

[fickle bluff]

holy

i need a chinese critcake fancam

[iron portal]

Maybe they like your crits

[cloud harness]

Hey guys, the other day I asked about making Single Minded Fury (SMF) work, and was given a very handy talent build that works great by Bowl, and Linccstyle was a great help too (and some others, i forget names!)

Im now looking to make an AOE (M+) build, now that ive found the best ST build you guys could offer me. Again I want to use SMF because im picky. Does anyone have an AOE SMF build to share?

I can share the Single target build if that would be helpful

[eternal sundial]

Burger angle

[river reef]

📷 ?

[fickle bluff]

is that a copypasta

smf "builds" just swap one point

[eternal sundial]

Im not there yet

[gloomy loom]

Guys what ilvl you can craft the weapon at max with sparks right now?

[fickle bluff]

606 (you cant craft a weapon because you only have 1.5 sparks)

[gloomy loom]

Yeah i mean tomorrow with the reset

[summer quail]

Not yet

[river reef]

Doppelter oder heute was neues?

[clever belfry]

hoden

[river reef]

[chrome plover]

if you have finished the campaign and clear the raid there will likely be a runed crest that will let you craft 519

[clever belfry]

please dont use that enchanted crest in hc week

to craft aw ep

please

please

please

[unreal onyx]

Heroic enchanted crest angle

[chrome plover]

man was asking the max ilvl he can craft next week

i was shrimply answering the question

[river reef]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[native saffron]

619*

[chrome plover]

yeah 619

[clever belfry]

u were leading them into crafting something

very bad

[river reef]

Yeah fuck you, Chawie 😡

[unreal onyx]

Get aotc, get token and craft

Ez

[slender badger]

It's not the end of the world of you craft. But it might be a wasted craft

[native saffron]

Wtf is aw ep

[eternal sundial]

Same as usual

[river reef]

boring

[clever belfry]

i wonder if one space can be moved by one position

[sand crest]

question for anyone who might know, in qucik sim it looks like raidbots counts bt/bb dmg from unhinged as BS dmg, but details doesnt count it this way right?

[fickle bluff]

correct

[sand crest]

aight ty, everything makes sense now

I figured that was the case

[unreal onyx]

I was successful in rescheduling my meetings til 6pm from reset day tomorrow to today

Gamer time

[native saffron]

I literally thought it was short for something else. Anyway nvm

[river reef]

patty welldone or medium rare in burger of choice ?

how they do it

[unreal onyx]

Welldone if you have the choice smh

Noway

[gloomy loom]

I just want to know how to make golds with bs, im new with professions

[rigid kestrel]

How come?

[gloomy loom]

But now i got 100bs and can craft lvl 5 weapons

[fickle bluff]

thats the fun part, you dont

[cloud harness]

This is the ST build i was given for SMF if anyone wants

[fickle bluff]

the only way youre going to make gold is by asking for extortionate amounts for crafting

[gloomy loom]

Great 😦

[signal gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/you-don't-invincible-omni-man-jk-simmons-that's-the-neat-thing-gif-4390372980992221432

[oblique trail]

can this creature move by one position at will

[fickle bluff]

[eternal sundial]

Medium

[river reef]

[fickle bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/shock-shocker-shocked-black-guy-gif-27526370

colour me surprised the "smf build" is just the worst dps talent point moved over

[edgy widget]

You'd be surprised which talent that is in MT builds 🙃

[eternal sundial]

Reasons why ur not yellow..

Smh

Togsik

[tardy lark]

it'd be hella fun if that was Meat Cleaver lol

[eternal sundial]

Ikr

[edgy widget]

it's Unhinged

Though realistically, you're gonna want that cause prio damage is good and it helps keep up the value of Bladestorm

[tardy lark]

not what i expected, but it makes sense for pure MT

[sand crest]

I dont get why they had to make unhinged not cleave

[edgy widget]

Yeah, it kinda surprised me as well

[sand crest]

so sad

[edgy widget]

for that same reason we were discussing - not wanting it to be a universal giga talent the way Hurricane was (even though it still is kind of universal regardless)

but I agree, it wasn't a great change cause it just makes the gameplay a little more awkward in some areas

[sand crest]

I mean yeah we'd never take the other one anyway

or UF

so

[edgy widget]

well that's part of it, the talent balance is all over the place

and it is weird to worry about Unhinged being too good when others are just clearly too bad

[clever belfry]

no

[edgy widget]

but that's how iterative design works; changing one thing at a time

[sand crest]

I think its also a bad thing that the best st build is no onslaught/no OF

so weird that our capstones are "bad"

onslaught is supposedly the st capstone and its a dps gain to not talent it

tbh Im quite happy with fury atm, slayer and thane are both really fun, but I feel like there are still quite a few things in the tree that dont make sense balance wise

[edgy widget]

tbf it's a little more complicated than "capstone bad"

• Unhinged is good
• Tenderize actually is good, the problem is that Onslaught isn't
• Onslaught is only bad because Raging Blow is way too good (same reason Bloodthirst is bad, same reason Execute is bad...)
• Dancing Blades isn't actually that bad, Odyn's Fury just isn't a ST talent anymore (which is generally good)
• UF is just very mid now, and it could stand to come back up a little bit
• DoI has always been bad, and just needs to change tbh; weird that it does basically the same thing as UF
• Storm of Steel has never really been good, though you might be able to make an argument for it in PvP now w/ Bladestrom immunities

[eternal sundial]

Idk if tenderize regaining the enrage duration from df would help

Honestly doubt it

[fickle bluff]

that went to powerful

[edgy widget]

thing is you don't need to buff Tenderize though, it's not actually bad

[sand crest]

yeah the fact that onslaught is so bad, and that uf and doi functionally overlap just doesnt make much sense

[eternal sundial]

Yep

[edgy widget]

you don't need to buff Onslaught either, it's not bad

Raging Blow is causing a ton of problems in the spec

because it's buffed by like 7 talents

[dense drum]

What clock tomorrow eu time do m0/delves/raid open? Was thinking about clearing some delves before work

[edgy widget]

Raging Blow needs to be nerfed, full stop

[fickle bluff]

6am server

[fading bane]

Blizzard loves raging blow dont they

[signal gyro]

Quiet they might hear you @edgy widget

[dense drum]

Thanks bro

[eternal sundial]

It's not that serious just do it after work

Ur not in echo

[eternal sundial]

Rb being obscene is not new news

[sand crest]

which theyd change wrath and fury to buff OS instead of rb

[stray mirage]

wait wait WAIT so RB > BT?!

[eternal sundial]

Since forever

[reef laurel]

yes

[sand crest]

would be fun if OS could reset itself

[sand crest]

absolutely

[fickle bluff]

in a perfect rotation youd never cast BT

[stray mirage]

anyone got a good ST build? and i dont want no smf crap

[edgy widget]

Raging Blow is > BT, Rampage, Execute....

[stray mirage]

then why do we need cshb?!

[fickle bluff]

CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7MAAAAAAAAAgRDMzAjhZYMwsADzYMz8ADzMbbjxMzsgZmZmZMDbDPAjZGAAAIMjltBWATwMMBGbYD

[eternal sundial]

Bb

[fickle bluff]

because you do press bloodbath

[stray mirage]

??

[eternal sundial]

Import code

[iron portal]

Talent sample

[radiant plank]

Going to steal your gold

dont download

[stray mirage]

no onslaught has got to be TROLLING

[eternal sundial]

OS is not rb

[mossy fox]

you guys cant convert import codes to a talent tree with your eyes?

[eternal sundial]

It's not good

[tardy lark]

man could do with reading a guide

[mossy fox]

smh

[fickle bluff]

real

[eternal sundial]

I once manually typed out an hs deck code

To Import

[edgy widget]

#1237307390865571890 recently updated

[faint whale]

Warrior brain

[sand crest]

[stray mirage]

so the guide on icyvein is made by trolls for trolls???

[fickle bluff]

[radiant plank]

🎦

[mossy fox]

no it's just slower to upload

[edgy widget]

weird segue... 🤔

[eternal sundial]

🎦 🍿

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-kevin-malone-kevin-office-white-collar-gif-4013003

[sand crest]

also I dont know how everyone else feels about this but I wish haste enrage was better than dmg enrage in aoe as well as st

I hate low haste

[stray mirage]

i knew sudden death talent was too good to pass up in order to keep AJ up

[mossy fox]

perhaps intentional

[fading bane]

Last time i looked at wowhead, it used onslaught. Did it change?

[stray mirage]

it isnt chosen on the icyveins

[edgy widget]

lmao right

[eternal sundial]

Ye

Greg ruined it

[edgy widget]

no, your eyes are decieving you

[tardy lark]

hate that guy

[fickle bluff]

aoe builds are burstier, and thats just what powerful enrage prefers

[edgy widget]

actually I shared it with him

[fading bane]

I was reading with my monitor off i think

[edgy widget]

after Revvez shared it with me 🙃

[eternal sundial]

I stand corrected

[sand crest]

I 100% get that, I just wish it wasnt the case x)

[radiant plank]

Revves ruined it

[eternal sundial]

Implement the opprtunist thing to own greg

[tardy lark]

also hate that guy

[fickle bluff]

then someone here and in warbreaker both found it independently and shared it with me

[eternal sundial]

Isnt it spelled with a z

[fickle bluff]

no one took off UF though

[radiant plank]

Mandela effect

[stray mirage]

CC > BF for ST? we sure bout this?

[fickle bluff]

real

[eternal sundial]

There is not fucking way

[brittle phoenix]

Nice edit bud

[eternal sundial]

I will ping him over Typo

[radiant plank]

https://echoesports.gg/team

Go check

[eternal sundial]

Cant even spell name right

[sand crest]

20% of bs is more than 50% of rampage, and they both proc once every bs

[edgy widget]

it's actually because there are two of them

[sand crest]

so yes

[edgy widget]

Revves is the nice one
Revvez is the evil one

[tardy lark]

are you sure about this

[stray mirage]

understood bro thank you

[tardy lark]

just to make sure sims dont lie

[stray mirage]

yeah im simming the new spec i got

make sure i see a bigger number than before

[sand crest]

with my current gear I checked the dmg values, 20% of BS is 126k more dmg and 50% to ramp is 105k more

[tardy lark]

i wish my attempt at a dig was more obvious than that, but im afraid not

[sand crest]

im assuming this stays true no matter your gear

[tardy lark]

[sand crest]

im simple minded

[fickle bluff]

id never lie

[thorn steeple]

Does anyone know any discord or channel i can get some help on a weakaura?

[eternal sundial]

I asked him

Surely he replies

[eternal sundial]

#ui-addons-manager

Or discord.gg/weakauras

[stray mirage]

i got u bro.. https://discord.gg/7R9mgBYV

[bleak prawn]

lol

[thorn steeple]

ty

[radiant plank]

(2)

[fickle bluff]

i forgot to change it back from 2 ok mistakes happen

[tardy lark]

(2)

[eternal sundial]

(2)

[fickle bluff]

[eternal sundial]

At least you dont think rend costs 30

[sand crest]

btw does bt/bb become higher prio than cb/rb at 35% because of VC?

or is rb still king no matter what

[eternal sundial]

Doesnt change it

[stray mirage]

wait

so whats the rotation?

since icyveins is wrong

[sand crest]

wowhead

[fickle bluff]

look at the wowhead guide

[eternal sundial]

You can mouseover BB in aoe if there's a thing in exe and you have vc

[edgy widget]

yes

[sand crest]

I moreso meant in st/raid scenario

[edgy widget]

actually Culling Cyclone is very similar to Brutal Finish in MT too, despite not actually being a multitarget talent

[eternal sundial]

Closed captions vs boyfriend

[edgy widget]

Bladestorm also gets extra ticks from Imminent Demise, which in turn makes Culling Cyclone even better

[sand crest]

I hadnt even considered that

which is why im not the theorycrafter

[thick fossil]

Sounds like some trailer parks rap battle.

[edgy widget]

doesn't change because you're still using both charges of BB/CB between Rampage anyway, you can't spam either of them

[sullen cloak]

Am I able to get a little clarity on the Single Target Fury Rotation?

SO the talent build has Bladestorm/unhinged instead of Onslaught/tenderise

and Champions spear rather than Thunderous Roar?

Only reason I am asking is that the rotation page on Icyveins and Wowhead has Onslaught and Thunderous roar as the preferred abilities on the rotation?

[radiant plank]

Dont tell me

[sand crest]

would be a very minor thing then but lets say outside of reck, would it be better to weave in a bt in VC window to get back to rampage rather than spam rb?

[thick fossil]

Rend? In #fury ?

[edgy widget]

it's almost like there's a whole new Season and things are being updated for it!

[sullen cloak]

Oh i know I can appreciate the work you are doing! I am just asking for personal clarity not nit picking ☀️

[edgy widget]

• ST builds have never taken Roar
• Slayer requires Bladestorm, which naturally lends itself to Unhinged
• Neither WH/IV suggest TR for ST
• Onslaught has recently been dropped in favor of passive bonuses

[stray mirage]

i agree, OS feels so awkward to use

[edgy widget]

it's not awkward at all

[sand crest]

os is awesome

[edgy widget]

it just competes with Raging Blow, which has a stupid amount of talents buffing it

[stray mirage]

RB is buffed to shit lmao

8 talents buffing one skill is a joke

[radiant plank]

Mortal Strike

[fickle bluff]

K. would be having a field day

never forget ✊

[hallow ore]

Sorry back to fury first time since BFA, so say you can rampage, you’re at 85 rage do you rampage to get crushing blow asap or do you raging blow until 110+ rage?

[thick fossil]

Can we get that sick ass sound of Mortal Strike for Raging?

[edgy widget]

Lemme put it this way

• While enraged, Slayer RB does the same amount of damage as Onslaught
• Onslaught generates 16 more rage than Raging Blow (14)
• Onslaught triggers 3 stacks of Slaughtering, while RB triggers 1 stack of Slaughtering and 1 stack of Bloodcraze
• Onslaught/Tenderize requires two extra talent points
  So for 2 talent points, you get ~1.3 RPS and 1 extra stack of Slaughtering

it's not even that Onslaught/Tenderize are bad, RB is just giga inflated

[runic violet]

What are the chances of prolonged maintenance.

[fast mural]

Its the mortal strike problem

[fickle bluff]

for NA? 100%

[edgy widget]

50/50, either happens or it doesn't

[slim coral]

Use rampage when 115+ rage

[edgy widget]

kind of the inverse tbh

[hallow ore]

Cool so RB will take prio over getting crushing blow sub 115 rage?

[restive peak]

I don’t think we’re getting extended maint today

[edgy widget]

you can't use RB > Crushing Blow, since one replaces the other

[restive peak]

We ball at 2 est bois

[radiant plank]

Whos we

[edgy widget]

• mortal strike isn't worth using more, because its value is tied up in things that buff it
• rb is worth using more, because it has greatly inflated direct value

[fast mural]

• NA beta test at 2est bois

[random raptor]

Aren't we just rotating, rampage -> CB -> BB in ST?

after our initial opener

[hallow ore]

Yeah sorry I’m saying, it’s better to press RB sub 115 rage to keep pooling rage before pressing rampage to get CB asap as opposed to pressing rampage asap to get CB again

[runic violet]

rb good for rage gen and buffing rampage

[slim coral]

Reevez seems to think so

[runic violet]

otherwise no

[edgy widget]

yes, the actual prio is RB if rage < 115 ahead of Rampage

[hallow ore]

Perfect thank you

[lost bison]

all my homies hate revves

[restive peak]

[edgy widget]

which is the same rotation we have 🤔

[slim coral]

Autocorrect 🙂

[slim coral]

True!!

[radiant plank]

Whos Revvez

Only know Revves

[edgy widget]

actually not quite, he put Rampage if rage > 115 ahead of RB
which is not exactly the same thing as RB < 115 rage ahead of Rampage

[pale lava]

probably already implied but make sure you're still enraged while doing that

[edgy widget]

yes ofc, if you drop enrage other things take prio

[fickle bluff]

whats the line for grabbing crit chance in simc

[slim coral]

True and real

[hallow ore]

So if enrage about to drop, send rampage first I’m guessing even if sub 115 rage?

[restive peak]

Yes

[pale lava]

you guys are fast, damn

[hallow ore]

Sweet! Buzzing to play Fury been like 4 years, been in tank and ret hell

[pine walrus]

When capped in rage and not spend Reckless Abandon proc which empowers your RB and BT, is it worth to press any of them or just rampage directly? (considering we are enraged in that situation and have time left for +2 globals)

[restive peak]

Todays the day the crushing begins

[edgy widget]

action.name.crit_pct_current>=##
if you're thinking about trying to prio BB > CB over a certain crit chance, it comes out completely neutral (since you're using them both regularly anyway)

[slim coral]

When capped you should def rampage

[fickle bluff]

i have cooked a little

[radiant plank]

[pale lava]

if you don't have CB/BB up you send rampage

[fickle bluff]

i cant let the arms guys just get away with it

[restive peak]

Greg’s cooking is BIS

[pine walrus]

Maybe i explained bad, having CB and BB both up without using and full capped in rage

[edgy widget]

thing about SimC is there are always improvements to be found
literally always - it never ends

[pale lava]

yeah you use them first before Rampaging

[pine walrus]

• being enraged for +2 globals

[restive peak]

You send CB BB

[sullen cloak]

I am thinking (all being well) it is a matter of hitting Rampage to get enraged

Hitting Crushing blow , then the bloodbath proc as well

Then Raging blow...perhaps twice ...

Then rampage and rotate?

[edgy widget]

the trick is finding out which optimizations are actually worthwhile, and which are just bloat
adding extra steps to the rotation for a <0.1% gain is almost never worth it

[pine walrus]

okay that makess sense

[restive peak]

Yes when possible

[chrome plover]

good luck

[pine walrus]

then rotation is pretty straight forward right? rampage, use CB BB, fill the other global sometimes with Execute

[restive peak]

Thanks bae!

[slim coral]

Say the like

Line

[pale lava]

anything under 1% is probably not worth even looking at unless it's something very simple

[restive peak]

Yeah, fury is pretty straight forward this time

[radiant plank]

Lincc are you gonna holdback your team or play Arms : 3

[restive peak]

Playing arms on ST bb don’t worry

I’ll put on a show for your kind too

[edgy widget]

I think the 0.4%+ range is acceptable, but it all depends on what it is

[chrome plover]

it is indeed tuesday innit

[slim coral]

Pog

[radiant plank]

I will hvae your stream on bb

[edgy widget]

but overcomplication is a thing, and there's a very real likelihood of losing damage in a more complicated but slighlty more "optimal" priority

As opposed to a simpler priority which requires less hopscotch and less things to keep track of on your screen

[pale lava]

100%, that's what I like about current fury, it's not overly bloated but rather pretty straightforward

[edgy widget]

number chasing is fun, but you don't wanna become a sim slave

[river reef]

sim slave @eternal sundial

[pine walrus]

is it better arms in any bosses? do we know ~%dps diff?

[edgy widget]

second topic in #1237307348314357801

they're practically even in sims, there's at least one fight, maybe two, likely to favor Arms Sweep

[radiant plank]

Should change it now that Arms is lightyear(1) ahead again

[edgy widget]

lol

[pine walrus]

yeah im new to warrior so i would prefeer not to switch for two bosses if diff isnt that high and minmax fury, but we'll see then, thanks for replying and niceguides 🙂

[edgy widget]

Arms and Fury are <2% apart in sim, that's completely even as far as WoW is concerned
and doesn't account for the practical differences in encounter mechanics/timing/etc, so it's kind of an arbitrary comparison anyway

[lost bison]

fury is always cooler tho

[edgy widget]

then don't, just play what you like

if you're not a WF raider it literally does not matter

[pale lava]

there's something that has made me wonder regarding Marked for Execution

technically as long as you're not sitting on 3 stacks you can safely "ignore" execute in favor of RB

I wonder if there's any benefit on spending sudden death procs on 1 or 2 stacks over RB

[fickle bluff]

theres not

[pine walrus]

It doesnt but there's some people that literally tells you to swap because you are playing wrong spec for the boss. happened to me already, people tryhard a lot even tho are not WF raiders LUL

[turbid abyss]

Problem is tryhard guilds forcing us into arms coz as a dps warrior you must play both specs

[pale lava]

maybe if BS is coming off cd soon and u don't have it fully stacked yet?

but you probably get it stacked in time passively without really having to bother

[edgy widget]

so technically speaking, consuming less stacks more often is numerically better than consuming more stacks less often

however, Execute just isn't strong enough over other abilities to warrant using it that frequently (even if you could)

[turbid abyss]

I hate arms, especially since having to use that one defensive ability during a window to increase the buff gained afterwards (forgot spell names sorry)

[pale lava]

test of might

[turbid abyss]

Yeah that

[pale lava]

makes sense, ty

[lost bison]

been a while since arms was "mandatory" in that sense

[pale lava]

unless massive tuning happens you won't need to optimize to that extent if you're not in a RWF guild

[edgy widget]

the difference needs to be very profound for anything to be considered "mandatory" imo

like S3 Arms v Fury was pretty noticeable, or current Thane vs Slayer

[turbid abyss]

The only time i liked arms was during Nzoth corruption season in bfa when i had full t3 haste corruptions and over 80% base haste that arms played like fury in a spammy way xD

[edgy widget]

15% is a large gap, at that point yes I would encourage people to play one over the other

but even upwards 5% is practically nothing, you'll have larger swings through crits and proc rng than that

[edgy widget]

Yeah, and there was a pretty stark difference in Tomb as well

[lost bison]

only arms bosses that come to mind in df (where arms was generally just worse throughout) is kurog and neltharion

[stray mirage]

do you consume double whetstones for weapon consumables?

[edgy widget]

oils are far cheaper

[pine walrus]

yeah and know better your min max rotation and being comfy with it will make way more than 5%

[stray mirage]

wad oils bro

[lost bison]

but even on those idk outside of top 10 maybe you could be fine playing fury

[pale lava]

algari

[edgy widget]

algari mana oil

[turbid abyss]

Yeah frigging arms on kurog xD

[stray mirage]

algari mana oil??

[edgy widget]

whetstone is practically even, especially in current gear, but like 5x more expensive

in higher gear, oils pull ahead slightly more

also this is in the guide 🙃

[stray mirage]

so double oil?

isit on each weapons?

[lost bison]

i guess it kinda depends on when you killed kurog as arms got buffed a lot at some point in s1

but early on it was really bad

[stray mirage]

guide on WH showed whetstone

[stiff barn]

But it was updated to use oil.

[turbid abyss]

We killed it before arms buff, but even then had to play arms, i quit the game by tge time we reached neltharion and told my guild beforehand to receuit an arms warrior, that was after the arms changes and i didn’t wanna play it

[eternal sundial]

@river reef forgor the pic

Burger is gone

[stray mirage]

so is it 2 oils one for each weapon?

or just 1

[pine walrus]

doubt: not being enraged but having CB and BB procs both up to use and being capped, would you still use both procs first even tho ur not enraged? yes st, yes aoe, no never, always enrage (?

[warm crag]

ramp to get enraged

[weary void]

For weapons we do on both Enchant Weapon - Authority of the Depths? Or main hand only and offhand Enchant Weapon - Authority of Radiant Power ?

[eternal sundial]

Sim once aquiring real items

[edgy widget]

yeah cause they're practically even at this level - the enchants page goes into more detail

[pale lava]

Enrage is biggest prio over everything due to the significant damage increase it applies to all your hits

[edgy widget]

but oil is much cheaper atm, because whetstones take fuckin nullstones to make for some reason

[pine walrus]

Thanks, you too @warm crag

[lost bison]

comfort matters a lot, especially so the worse ur guild is

but it makes sense that "worse" guilds still pressure people to play multiple specs of their class

[pale lava]

what world rank was that?

[fickle bluff]

sneak peak

[turbid abyss]

Yeah my guild was at the time was a CE guild, WR 700-900 depending on the performance of the team and how many guilds played

[pale lava]

700-900 demanding X spec

good riddance

[turbid abyss]

Yeah as i said try harding

[warm crag]

wasnt aberrus like 100% a fury raid tho

and u could play arms on final 2 if u wanted to

[lost bison]

arms had an edge on neltharion, difference on sarkareth was pretty minor

but both bosses were ez

[turbid abyss]

Looking fro a chill mythic raiding guild, not necessarily aiming for CE anymore tbh

[pale lava]

I mean what was even the point of tryharding at that WR

that's just adding extra steps for no added benefit

[tacit abyss]

No that was only in the first weeks, arms git a buff and pulled ahead

[river reef]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-snorlax-running-o-lawd-he-comin-oh-lawd-gif-10922663193749015430

[slender badger]

Im pretty sure that most guilds would perform better if they weren't tryharding

[pale lava]

I get tryharding regarding HoF range

but 700-900, you're very far away from that

weird management

[turbid abyss]

Tbh idk, there was that giant boss that had lots of blobs coming out during the fight, forgot his name, throughout the night (4hrs raid nights) i’d get hit maybe 2-3 times and most the others 10+ times, till i eventually tilt and play like trash xD

[native saffron]

Whats the biggest differences between the mt raid talent build and m+ ? Why not just use m+ or am i missing something?

[chrome plover]

rashok? with the fire waves across the room?

[turbid abyss]

Yeah rashok

[pale lava]

I think you can take bitter immunity with the raid setup

[tacit abyss]

Mt m+ has stormbolt

[edgy widget]

there is almost no difference, just extra stun

Thane is very tight on points, can't really afford to move much around

• you could take Rumbling Earth in M+, but you gotta give some amount of damage/defense up for it, so I wouldn't do it unless you really feel like you need the lower CD

as opposed to Slayer, who doesn't have the same talent tax on Thunder Clap, Crackling Thunder, and Seismic Reverb

[pine walrus]

this node is changing also right?

depending if m+ or multitarget raid

and this one

[pale lava]

AOE = Powerful
ST = Frenzied

[pale lava]

iirc cyclone wins in ST but is within margin of error with brutal in AOE?

[fickle bluff]

not really it just happens to coincide that way
the more bursty you are the better powerful is, and aoe plays very bursty talents

[pine walrus]

Im just showing talents from wowhead guide that just copied and compared, i have no clue about any theory behind them

🤣

[pale lava]

that's why I recommended powerful in aoe

generally odyn will prefer powerful even in ST though

due to what you explained

[dense elbow]

Odyns will always prefer PE, till they make it scale with haste

[summer quail]

if only considering odyns fury then yes powerful is obviously stronger. odyns gets no benefit from haste

[edgy widget]

yeah it's more "sustained damage = frenzy, burst = powerful"

in raw ST, the actual difference between the talents is <1% (some funky gearsets notwithstanding), but in M+ you're mostly doing burst damage during CDs against multiple targets, so Powerful pulls a small lead

For raid, I put some notes about it in the multitarget part of #1237307390865571890 - basically if >50% of your damage is to adds, take powerful, otherwise take frenzy

but realistically the difference is so small, it shouldn't matter either way, so just play whatever you enjoy and you'll do fine

[dense elbow]

Bringing OF is a 3% ish DPS loss ST, ye?

[pearl cradle]

time to celebrate boys i convinced my guild that we need a third warrior

[dense elbow]

Gz

[edgy widget]

uhh somewhere around there; full MT talents is ~5% under full ST

and Ashen is worth like 1.x%

[tardy lark]

fury privilege

[dense elbow]

5%, I take that hit

[edgy widget]

but if you're taking OF, you want TR > Spear and Titans > Berserkers Torment, even in pure ST

[dense elbow]

5% is less than my rotational mistakes, so easy choice to pick what I enjoy

Fury in a good place

[eager thorn]

Smf only -5% too

Does that mean smf st build is same as mt build on st

[plush flower]

Not again lmao

[warm crag]

how far behind is smf daggers?

[forest owl]

the 3 dredded letters 'smf' xD

[devout totem]

smf mentioned

[oblique trail]

7fps behind smf str weapons

[eager thorn]

Smf is best talent

[warm crag]

acceptable

[native saffron]

Im sorry i shouldve been more clear. Im comparing the mt slayer raid build with the slayer m+ build. I had a gap to actually look at the talents and i see they swap between the two enrage talents, between culling cyclone and brutal finish, etc. I mainly want to know how big is the diff to switch those talents instead of just using the complete m+ build.

Oh wait nvm

I see theres a discussion

[dense elbow]

SMF is closer to 8% behind tho, combine with OF and we talking DF OF diffs

[edgy widget]

na its more like 5% last I looked

depending on what weapons/etc you have

[pale lava]

we're the new shamans boys

[dense elbow]

Only 1 sec and ranged away

[haughty cloud]

How much ST dps is lost by taking balanced m+ build instead of raid ST?

[hard widget]

#fury message

[haughty cloud]

I perform better typically when being able to use the same rotation across all settings

[oblique trail]

That's SMF my guy

[hard widget]

#fury message

My bad wrong 5%

Still the same answer tho xd

[pale lava]

dropped 15s cdr on leap + stormbolt for this but I think it will be the play in M+

[dense elbow]

It aint

At worst bolt is free dam, at best you got a focus t stop. Leap is optional, sure. But bolt is too good

[pale lava]

you have shockwave

[dense elbow]

More is merrier

[pale lava]

DR exists

[hard widget]

I wouldnt make that trade

[dense elbow]

Doesn't matter

[pale lava]

I would in pugs, no one interrupts

[fading sky]

bolts are to good

[dense elbow]

As long the stun lasts o.1 sec, it was worth

[haughty cloud]

So if I did raid ST build in M+, would it still be the same 5% loss?

[hard widget]

And 1 second is not going to help you much, but having an emergency stop being stormbolt is usually more valuable

[haughty cloud]

Or is the difference greater going the other direction

[warped bone]

Would defo not drop stormbolt for slightly shorter CD on pummel

[hard widget]

If you raid in aoe talents u will lose fps regardless, doesnt really matter if its 5 or 6% or more. If u want to minmax u play the right talents for the bosses

[haughty cloud]

I would like to not play OF without being neutered in M+ so thinking of doing the raid ST build unless the dam vs big packs is much worse

[tardy lark]

OF is VERY good in any other scenario than ST

[haughty cloud]

Sorry I meant M+ in raid build

[hard widget]

That wont work

[tardy lark]

as long as he takes WW talents its kinda ok i guess

[hard widget]

U will be handicapping ur dps massively

[rigid kestrel]

Is there a dislike towards OF or?

[hard widget]

No titanic rage, no odyns fury, no titants torment, i dont think its ok tbh

Those are giga for aoe

[summer quail]

quite the opposite, most people like odyns

[tardy lark]

ofc they are, but if bro wants to play raid build in keys

the bare minimum is meat cleaver i suppose

[hard widget]

I mean if u look at it like that

[rigid kestrel]

I also do enjoy it, it has good feeling to pressing that button

[dense elbow]

Some ppl just want a flat profile

[tardy lark]

i dont agree with the "how do i play completely suboptimal talents for a situation they are not intended for" mindset, but hey to each his own

[dense elbow]

It was a question if the diff was big, more than that line. An inquire to how impactful something is Vs each other

[tawny geode]

What is the best flask for fury ? Also the wep buff and augment rune

[tardy lark]

yeah, then being told "its real bad" and going "i dont want to play OF"

[tawny geode]

Any1 knows ?

[oblique trail]

Alchemical Chaos, Algari Oil

[pearl cradle]

are we set on using spark on a weapon and slapping on ascendance?

[tawny geode]

bet

[oblique trail]

Augment rune is the same for all classes

[plush flower]

[summer quail]

#dps-faq everything is prob in here that you would want to know

[weary void]

For weapons we do on both Enchant Weapon - Authority of the Depths? Or main hand only and offhand Enchant Weapon - Authority of Radiant Power ?

[summer quail]

wait til mythic week and see

never know if tuning happens

[tawny geode]

@oblique trail @summer quail thanks boys cheers

[haughty cloud]

The rotation in the wowhead guide is still using the old onslaught talent, is it enough to just simply uncheck that box or does the rotation change in another way as well?

[hard widget]

Did u deselect ontslaught from the choice nodes?

[dense elbow]

It should only show it if you pick it

[hard widget]

In the wowhead guide?

[eager thorn]

Last i checked it enables spear and onslaught by default

But ye you just gotta deselect them

[hard widget]

No it shouldnt

Nvm misunderstood u

[dense elbow]

Hm, if so Archi should fix that some QoL

[untold yacht]

Wait we no longer onslaught? Is that recent?

[tardy lark]

no and yes

[haughty cloud]

Basically I was trying to figure out which was a bigger loss if I’m wanting to have the same rotation in each setting. Sounds like if I want to do this, I use the m+ build because it is the smaller loss when changing settings. I wasn’t looking for the git gud answer of playing different specs in different settings, which I know is optimal.

[hard widget]

Yes

[warm crag]

its not as beginner friendly tho

[untold yacht]

Ok I’m heading over to wowhead I guess arch updated it then?

[dense elbow]

Last time I saw maxroll, it told me to charge, then reck on ST

[eager thorn]

P sure wowheads is up to date just this part auto selects wrong talents

[tardy lark]

a lot of the raid fights has adds, so m+ build will work out ok

[hard widget]

The rotation barely changes between m+ and raid, i’d highly advice u learn both

[tardy lark]

i think its just the change in available buttons he looks to avoid

[warm crag]

u mean this?

[hard widget]

I mean its only 2 buttons difference for a massive ton of dps

[dense elbow]

Yarp

[warm crag]

apply common sense or

[pale lava]

only difference between M+ and raid build is in the opener so you're enraged before popping avatar

[balmy shore]

that’s at the same time

the charge and reck lmfao

[tardy lark]

casuals are gonna casual

[dense elbow]

Common sense is top goes first

[tardy lark]

although going here kinda deems you not casual in my mind

[untold yacht]

I haven’t used ST build yet so knowing I don’t have to put onslaught into my bar is monkey brain easy, been running RA aoe only, although I feel AM was better for HC dings

[pale lava]

you can charge and pop reck next to the target though

[balmy shore]

while u charge u press reck

[pale lava]

you still get enough rage for rampage

[balmy shore]

or reck charge

[pale lava]

with RA

[balmy shore]

idk

[warm crag]

as i said it's not exactly a beginner friendly guide

[hard widget]

Thats because everything insta dies in hc dungeons, RA gets better the higher u go

[untold yacht]

Ohhhh damn jalapeñoventes you made a video about new updated build, great job sir

[haughty cloud]

This is the eventual goal but both mythics and raids are coming out and I have not the time to learn both in one day

[hard widget]

Thanks mate ^^

[balmy shore]

actually am i wrong do you not get the extra rage if you reck immediately after pressing charge

[dense elbow]

Small things like that is easy to fix, I am sure they do it at a later date

[untold yacht]

Need to watch it asap

[warm crag]

it doesnt need fixing

[balmy shore]

i just assumed you do

[untold yacht]

I’ll like it now

[hard widget]

Like i said, the rotation is practically the same. I believe in you

[pale lava]

you can just charge and pop Reck next to the target before you Rampage with RA so you don't lose a gcd

[dense elbow]

Need is a strong word, sure.

[hard widget]

My guy! ❤️

[balmy shore]

ok yea that’s what i assumed

[pale lava]

charge (20 rage) > Reck (70 Rage from RA + 10 from Avatar)

[haughty cloud]

Is spear no longer used? I show it as talented in the build still, this reply is suggesting it shouldn’t be?

[pale lava]

because in ST build u run Berserker's torment

[hard widget]

It is still used in st

[balmy shore]

so the charge reck icons on top of each other dont need fixing

lmao

[graceful trellis]

let’s be honest our rotation is only two buttons basically 😅😅

[clever belfry]

youre talking about common sense?

idk

[untold yacht]

Co culling cyclone is more ST than aoe… learned a new thing today

[clever belfry]

rough talking point i think

[hard widget]

Yep it is

[pale lava]

not really no, doing it the way I said just nets u an extra gcd inside reck+avatar since it's not wasted on you still waiting to be in range of the boss

[warm crag]

could also mean reck affected charge

[summer quail]

i mean you need to press reck before charge? or did i misunderstand what you were saying

[hard widget]

The rotation described on maxroll is correct for st since we dont run ontslaught anymore u reck charge to get enough rage for ramp into ur cds

[untold yacht]

So one thing I need to know know, can I spam RB as long as I can if enrage is active even tho I am sometimes overcapping by 2 RBs?

[hard widget]

Its the best way to get enraged

[pale lava]

you get enough rage to instantly rampage the way I said

[dense elbow]

Ye, but they say it is as shown. Charge, then reck

[teal coral]

not sure what to focus crests on. upgrading adventure gear to max or craft stuff. any good rule of thumb?

[haughty cloud]

Yes but keybinds change and my boomer brain needs to learn specific muscle memory one set of binds at a time, so I’m not mashing an empty button when no OF, or so I’m not missing sudden deaths because I haven’t learned to execute as often. Specialize in one first then learn the other is what I need to do at least for first raid and first mythics

[pale lava]

if you run RA

[hard widget]

Put spear on the roar button and ur done

[balmy shore]

i thought you could reck while charging but you do lose rage if you reck closer to target even if you have enough to rampage or am i dumb

[pale lava]

pressing reck while charging doesn't buff your charge

since charge was pressed before reck buff was up

[balmy shore]

yeah that’s what i was forgetting

[hard widget]

U can rb as much as u like as long as ur under 110 rage and dont have aj falling off / bb / cb available

[balmy shore]

that’s why reck first ya

but you said reck closer to mobs will still grant u enough rage to rampage but you lose damage from buffed charge?

[pale lava]

yeah but if you run RA and Berserker's torment u can just charge in first and then Recklessness > Rampage when you've arrived at the target

[pale lava]

what exact damage are you referring to?

the damage that charge itself does?

[balmy shore]

that buffed charge doesn’t matter then right

yeah

don’t you get more rage

[pale lava]

nah charge does piss damage

[hard widget]

Charge is w/e u just want to get enraged asap

[untold yacht]

What if everything is used and only RB is up but I am at over 110 even at 120+ sometimes Do I press another RB assuming enrage is still up or Rampage

[radiant plank]

Damage doesnt matter? Fury chat moment fr fr

[pale lava]

and u get omega overcapped on Rage after you send cds after that Rampage

[hard widget]

U got enough rage for rampage then

[dense elbow]

Doesn't matter cause we do damage!

[pale lava]

because the sequence is charge > Reck + Rampage when you've arrived on the boss > Avatar + Spear + Bladestorm

[fading sky]

but legit u remove 1 cd for another 1 just put new cd in same spot u gucci no ?

[summer quail]

yeye, just want the extra rage

[untold yacht]

Ok so rampage is more valueable than RB right?

[hard widget]

If over 110 rage yes

[untold yacht]

Thanks

[hard widget]

Or when ur not enraged

[balmy shore]

but with what s1nner is saying does it matter if you’re going to be overcapped ig is where i’m at

[untold yacht]

Obv 😂 enrage > everything else

[oblique trail]

You Reck + Charge because it guarantees Rampage, compared to Charge + Reck not bringing you up to 80 rage, and also makes it so you can potentially miss your auto attack

[summer quail]

gets the first rampage global out faster tho, not gonna have enough rage without pressing reck before

[pale lava]

with RA + Berserker u have guaranteed rage for Rampage

[summer quail]

want that rampage out asap

[pale lava]

try it on the dummy

[weary void]

For weapons we do on both Enchant Weapon - Authority of the Depths? Or main hand only and offhand Enchant Weapon - Authority of Radiant Power ?

[oblique trail]

20 + 50 = 80 for sure

[summer quail]

I just did, got 70

[lofty juniper]

hi all, is it possible to remove the glow effect of raging blow cd reset?

[pale lava]

10 from Avatar from Berserker

[hard widget]

That math isnt mathing?!?

[pale lava]

are u guys trolling

or

are u even reading what I'm saying