fury

[restive peak]

If we've been aware all week, blizz is aware

[radiant knot]

whats bugged with hammer?

[dense elbow]

Is it normal that BS does more than OF?

[runic cypress]

You can cast it as many times as you can get 3 hp

It basically always available in the time window for you to cast if you have hp

[radiant knot]

damn

[dense elbow]

You playing with Titanic Rage?

[vivid lagoon]

So the embellishment item should be weapon and wrist ?

[sullen dove]

yar

for raid at least

if making the duskthread prolly doesnt have to be on weapon

but high lvl weapon for "free" good

[radiant knot]

Yeah

[spare steppe]

Whispyr?

He’s a madman but cares very much about sin

[sullen dove]

prolly talking about the ppl at maxroll

the "guide writers"

[gusty compass]

Is there any nerfs for us on tuesday/wednesday

[sullen dove]

not atm

prolly not gonna be

[frank dawn]

big ones, it's so joever

[sullen dove]

tru

fury dead

start learning arms

[modest condor]

joewari da

[junior gale]

Fury nerfs because of normal raid incoming

[wind sentinel]

Ngl I wouldnt mind mountain thane getting some love

[spare steppe]

Same! We’ll see

[wind sentinel]

Just make it competetive with slayer thats all I want.
Rocking Tclap as fury will feel weird though

[spare steppe]

Maxroll has a great timeline but otherwise meh, feels awful if the AI is true

[edgy widget]

Yeah, everyone knows my mistakes are the result of completely normal negligence and copy/paste, not AI slop!

[frank dawn]

contractually obligated errors to throw off liquid

obviously

[junior gale]

im waiting for Simcraft AI to write the next guide

[edgy widget]

chatgpt explain my rotation

[junior gale]

soon

[spare steppe]

How do we know if the bots are amongst us

[restive peak]

https://tenor.com/view/like-a-boss-hyped-intense-office-hands-up-gif-13012915

[fickle bluff]

make sure to use heroic strike to spend excess rage!

[dusty cove]

Ah okay, don't know why but I thought it didn't

[serene vessel]

Chat

I have a job interview tomorrow for a gig I'm excited about wish me luck

[restive peak]

Gl baethang

[viral jasper]

schedules interview monday so they can play tuesday

[serene vessel]

I wish, dumb government scheduled it on Monday. How dare they

[viral jasper]

They also play

[serene vessel]

I want it on a Wednesday since that's the peak of weekly productivity

Monday you're still recovering from the weekend, Tuesday you're recovering from Monday. Wednesday is the only real day you get work out of me. Thursday I'm getting prepared for Friday, and then Friday is the day weekend starts.

[cedar depot]

I was reading through the simcraft priority list for fury warrior. It has crushing blow and bloodbath set at a higher priority than execute(with 3 stacks marked for execution). Has to be wrong right?

[serene vessel]

No execute sucks

[peak bloom]

are we running double Authority of the Depths?

[spare steppe]

That’s what the sims say yes

[cedar depot]

weird, everyone told me if execute has 3 stacks of marked for execution than its more important than crushing blow/bloodbath

[peak bloom]

not sure my bank account agrees quite yet

[spare steppe]

Pretty sure execute refreshing AJ is up there in priority

[cedar depot]

you would think building up 3 stacks of marked for execution would be the biggest hit on the planet

[storm rune]

its only 45%

[velvet obsidian]

Why would you run AJ though? WnF is infinitely more based, especially as slayer.
Also execute hits like overcooked noodles.

[restive peak]

% dmg on low dmg isn't a ton of dmg, sadly

[hard widget]

Because the robot tells you a higher number

[cedar depot]

you have to take AJ to get WnF for single target

[restive peak]

But yes, refreshing AJ is the highest prio

You also have AJ and WnF lol

[hard widget]

If the robot tells you the better number is that way, its probably for a good reason

[restive peak]

If you're using execute as a filler, it will almost always refresh anyway

During CDs is really the only time you have to manage it, because you're ramping so often

[hard widget]

There is a lot of really good players that think about the best way to play, and use different priorities to come to the highest dps possible

[velvet obsidian]

Oh, ST probably yeah you still take AJ. My bad if I misread 🍺

[cedar depot]

this is what I've been doing (no cooldowns):

execute(to refresh AJ or 3 stacks of mark for execution)
crushing blow
bloodbath
raging blow while enraged < 110 rage
execute
rampage
bloodthirst
slam

[hard widget]

You take AJ in both aoe or st

[hard widget]

Flat execute over rampage is weirdge and rb > bt in st

[cedar depot]

the flat execute is because you have been building AJ

[hard widget]

You already got a condition for that higher up

[north edge]

whats the concensus on crafts? we're all going with a wep on reset for 2h?

[cedar depot]

yes but a 5 stack AJ execute is doing more than a rampage with no enrage, thats why its higher

[hard widget]

The sooner u execute the more likely u’ll drop ur AJ

[stable frost]

a rampage with no enrage
sir I dunno how to tell you this

[restive peak]

AJ doesn't fit into the AOE build probably for now, although I think on bosses there will be value in dropping TR for AJ

And that may carry over to high enough keys

[cedar depot]

my bad LOL, i meant raging blow

[restive peak]

Because, realistically, TR is just QOL

[hard widget]

Meh its alright more prio and u want cdr on ur BS anyways

[restive peak]

Damage is so miniscule

Well the only ability you can drop for AJ is TR, but I do agree in higher keys I can see myself running it

But for lower keys where shit dies quick, likely that you will literally never get it stacked

[cedar depot]

the new build wowhead putup for AOE gets rid of AJ for WNF

[restive peak]

Yes

It was only ever missing WnF because it was bugged

[velvet obsidian]

You certain about that one? It barely makes sense in ST considering Marked for Death gives a 45% crit chance, plus recklessness gives another 20%. Then factor in any you accidentally have on your gear (gross, crit is gross), or from talents and you'd be going over 100% crit. Which does nothing I think?

[cedar depot]

its like 1% damage but its nice not to have to worry about the bfuf falling off

[restive peak]

But like I'm saying, there's a very real argument to drop TR for AJ in a high enough, say 15+ key

Because of perma tyrann, and most packs having at least 1 big mob

[hard widget]

Apparently a new build just got uploaded, but i can see perfectly fine why AJ in aoe works just fine, especially with the new affixes

[restive peak]

But lower keys it will be legit useless

[cedar depot]

like i said its a small difference, could still be good in higher keys

[velvet obsidian]

Oh shit, I haven't looked at the new affixes 👀. They lower crit chance?

[hard widget]

No they are constantly tyra, and these bosses take 10 years to kill

[restive peak]

Boss fights are mini mythic bosses

Legit the mechanical overload is noticeably higher, it's super awesome but gonna be super rough for a lot of groups

[hard widget]

Bosses in m+ take longer than ur average raid boss nowadays zZzZ

[restive peak]

Some of these will get to 6-7m by the end xD

[hard widget]

Yeah just wait for NW last boss

[restive peak]

High key mists legit may not be possible just due to all 3 bosses scaling the way they do

Like it might be this seasons uldaman

Can't spend 6m on each boss in a 30m key

[velvet obsidian]

Can't wait to mess up the grab cancel on NW last boss.

[hard widget]

But yeah this answers my question of why i think AJ isnt bad in aoe

[velvet obsidian]

Get sent down to the lower level without a movement ability

[restive peak]

I personally find TR laziness, which is to say I'll probably run it for splits and m0s

But I won't keep it into real content

[cedar depot]

so you guys think we aren't even factoring marked for execution in the rotation? Just happening passively? nobody talking about if overcapping the debuff is bad etc

[hard widget]

Ur probably gonna run dancing blades anyways which is basically doing the exact same thing as AJ, giving u more prio

[restive peak]

It's not a huge deal

Ye that's what I mean

[hard widget]

But idk about that, didnt do sims on it

[hard widget]

I do

[restive peak]

So just go AJ in higher keys/bosses for AOE

Sticking to the rotation means you will send SDs pretty consistently as a filler

[velvet obsidian]

Holup, what's TR? Thunderous Roar? Isn't that in the class tree?

[hard widget]

I actually send something to Archimtiros the other day on a potential increase in ST dps which he is going to try and verify

Which also factors in marked for execution

And even AJ / marks for spear window

[storm rune]

titanic rage

[winter shoal]

As in using your MfE stacks if it'll put BS into your spear window @hard widget ?

[hard widget]

I came to the conclusion that i get more dps when i have AJ stacks and 3 marks and instantly execute in my spear window rather than to instantly use ramp Bs

[alpine haven]

I thought we used DN for filler?

[hard widget]

But like i said, im not 100% sure on it which is why i’ve send what i found to Archimtiros to verify it, and if its better im sure he’ll look into that

[sage shadow]

How do you guys sim fury in keys?

[winter shoal]

You mean just since it'll be effectively a guaranteed exe crit with the CM buff?

[hard widget]

Do an st and aoe sim, decide how much st ur willing to lose for aoe

[sage shadow]

2m sims or?

[winter shoal]

I was attempting to cook something with using MfE charges if it'll sync your BS and spear, but I'm too dumb to do that succinctly in the APL

[hard widget]

Your bs will always desync

[sage shadow]

Do you sim 2 minutes or?

[hard widget]

5m 1 target 1.5 min 5

I guess u can do higher count now too since reap, bs, roar, odyns

[winter shoal]

I meant like effectively if(spear.cooldown.remains <= (BS.cooldown.remains - (MfE.stacks * 5))) or in other words, if using your MfE stacks will bring your next BS off cooldown for your next spear

[serene vessel]

A 1.5 minute 5 target Sim seems whack

[winter shoal]

Logic might be a little off but that's the idea

Idk how to do that in the APL though

[serene vessel]

What scenario will you ever be in that

[hard widget]

But why tho

[winter shoal]

So you can bs in your spear

Big dam

[hard widget]

There is already conditions to do this

There is a condition to not bladestorm if ur avatar is <=9 away

And ur avatar sync with reck and spear in st

[winter shoal]

Yes but that could still leave you not consuming your MfE stacks to bring your BS cd into your spear window

It only comes into play if bs is already off cd

This is with BS on cd but with a cd low enough that consuming your MfE would bring it back off cd during spear

[hard widget]

I’ve tried delaying your cd’s for bladestorm and every variation i tried resulted in a loss

I tried it as well with odyns fury, same thing always a loss

[winter shoal]

Idk if bs during spear is actually more than just using spear with ramp > cb > bb naturally tbh, was gonna sim it but like I said I'm too dumb to do that in the APL

Unless I did some giga cursed hard coding of the stacks and durations and stuff

[hard widget]

Well realistically u have unhinged, so yes

But by delaying cd’s you lose more than u gaining for bladestorm in ur cds

Unless its within x seconds apart

Which they already did in the APL

[winter shoal]

You wouldn't be delaying your cds, you'd just be raising the priority of exe if consuming those stacks would cause your cds to line up better

[hard widget]

Yeah but upping ur execute priority, lowers ur AJ uptime, resulting in you losing 50% crit on execute

To gain only very slight bonus dmg from bladestorm

[winter shoal]

Not if you also account for SD in your execute prio to maintain better AJ uptime like I edited the APL to do :^)

actions.slayer_st+=/execute,if=talent.ashen_juggernaut&(buff.ashen_juggernaut.remains<=4|buff.sudden_death.remains<=4)&buff.enrage.up

It's a very slight sim dps loss (like less than 0.1%) for a much better real-world gameplay experience

[fair notch]

Is there a huge difference right now between TG and SMF?

[winter shoal]

About 4.5%

[hard widget]

Yeah, but u want to up the prio for those, which will result in you losing AJ more often

[winter shoal]

#fury message

[radiant kettle]

Is Overclocked Gear-a-Rang Launcher better than Skarmorak Shard? o.o

was checking bloodmallet which is updated for warrior now

[hard widget]

U dont get enough procs of SD to nuke ur executes on cd to get more cdr on bladestorm, without losing AJ for it

[winter shoal]

Not sure I follow you here, making sure you use your SD procs would strictly increase AJ uptime, no?

[fair notch]

SMF is currently a smidge better? Time to mog my slayer, thanks ha

[winter shoal]

gear-a-rang had a weird bug in sims, it's not as good as sims say (but still good)

[winter shoal]

No SMF is about 4.5% behind

[hard widget]

The biggest dmg u get is only using ur SD procs if either SD is on 2 stacks, AJ is about to expire or SD is about to expire

[radiant kettle]

mmm just gonna keep using sacbrood and shard then, ty

[hard widget]

If you up any of the priorities on Execute to boost cdr, you will have lower AJ uptime for it

[winter shoal]

Oh I see what you mean

Not the SD change but the MfE stack change

That's a good point

I'm gonna give it another shot before bedge, I'll let you know if it's shit (it probably is)

[hard widget]

And that might seem small, but thats 5 executes with reduced dmg

[winter shoal]

Yeah for sure

[hard widget]

And bladestorm isnt THAT amazing for st,

Even more so, i gained dps for using 3x mfe stacked execute as first gcd in spear window over bladestorm

[nimble ermine]

dont mean to intrerrupt, but what would be the best opener on st for fury

[hard widget]

But @winter shoal if u want to do it, maybe make the condition to only do it in execute phase or close to it so u dont drop AJ, maybe that’ll work

[nimble ermine]

do i actually care to use bs in spear right off the bat

[edgy widget]

yes, as slayer you want Bladestorm inside spear

[nimble ermine]

thank you

[sage shadow]

Is authority of the depths our best M+ enchant?

[winter shoal]

Gonna be honest idk how lmao

[hard widget]

Im on my phone but lemme see if i can find it

[edgy widget]

,if=variable.execute_phase|buff.ashen_juggernaught.remains<#

[winter shoal]

TY Archi

[hard widget]

That works

[winter shoal]

Do you know if there's a way to do this statement? Sim is upsetti I think about the MfE stacks * 5 bit
if=(champions_spear.cooldown.remains<=(bladestorm.cooldown.remains-(debuff.marked_for_execution.stacks*5)))

[edgy widget]

instead of a number you can use <gcd if you wanna be super strict, and more strict is usually better DPS, so people love to do it

but on a practical level, literally nobody is sniping buff timers within less than a GCD of time remaining

so I tend not to use them so much

[winter shoal]

Could just do like MfE.stacks>=2 & spear.cd.remains<=(bs.cd.remains - 10) I guess

[hard widget]

Isnt it just way easier to say debuff.marked_for_execution.up ?

[winter shoal]

I care about the stack number though

I don't think it's worth if you only consume 1 stack

[hard widget]

Then change up into stack =

Or stack>=

[winter shoal]

'stack' or 'stacks'?

[hard widget]

Stack

[winter shoal]

Let me try, I was using 'stacks' and it was mad about that

[hard widget]

Im not sure if it works the way i said, havent tried it but it should logically

[winter shoal]

I don't have much experience with editing the APL so I'm basically a baby with a screwdriver

[steady wharf]

Where can I read the latest version of APL?

[winter shoal]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/blob/thewarwithin/profiles/TWW1/TWW1_Warrior_Fury.simc

Generally there but idk if it's truly the latest and greatest

[steady wharf]

Ty

[hard widget]

If=champions_spear.cooldown.remains<=7&debuff.marked_for_execution.stack>=2

Something like this

Idk if this will work tho like i said im on my phone

[winter shoal]

You don't necessarily care about the spear cd though, you care about the spear cd relative to the bs cd

actions.slayer_st+=/execute,if=debuff.marked_for_execution.stack>=2&(champions_spear.cooldown.remains<=(bladestorm.cooldown.remains-10))&buff.enrage.up that's what I have rn and sim doesn't like the syntax, it doesn't say why though

[hard widget]

I just copied half ur statement and edited the later part

[hard widget]

U know this will prio execute even if both cd’s are up tho

Or maybe im coping here

[winter shoal]

I don't think that's much of an issue bc you'd just send them then, but it would be a problem if spear is like 75s remaining and bs is like 10s lol

I had thought about that but idk if there's an elegant way of handling it

[edgy widget]

there is a way to do apl math like that yes, I'd have to look at the syntax
but frankly that's getting really into the weeds of things that most players simply are not going to do in real gameplay

[winter shoal]

Yeah I've just kinda been feelycrafting it in testing tbh but I'm kinda shit anyways so /shrug

[hard widget]

I’d say execute if spear is less than 5 and bladestorm less than 15 and marks of execution =>2

Makes ur life a lot easier

Or atleast that makes the statement a lot easier

actions.slayer.st+=/execute,if=debuff.marked_for_execution.stack>=2&champion_spear.cooldown.remains<=5&(bladestorm.cooldown.remains<=15|bladestorm.cooldown.remains>=5)

I think this should work

I tried to do it on my phone so no way to check it

[winter shoal]

I think I'm a fuckin dingus

It's cooldown.bladestorm.remains not bladestorm.cooldown.remains

[hard widget]

Well we both are i guess x)

[winter shoal]

But yeah I think it's shit

[hard widget]

Well u can try all of em, just gotta change those around

[winter shoal]

With that line (using my gear and training dummy sim + battle shout because that's the sim I had handy for comparison):
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4o3FwMd9J7U2RtmXAcFkWi
without:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v8c4NC79qbXpsywm8zW5JV

So basically the exact same

Ever so slight increase but probably not worth worrying about

[hard widget]

Huge

300 dps could be variance

[winter shoal]

Opening a PR to the simc repo now

Yeah

[steady wharf]

Is there a reason why the que to hold BS if avatar is less than 9 seconds from going off cd is not in the guide? I'll read the APL tomorrow but are there other non mentioned optimizations?

[winter shoal]

Margin of Error

~530 DPS (0.08%)

[exotic glacier]

this is 14 years old.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRGDcwOxBzY

[ionic plaza]

is mountain thane that much behind slayer?

[hard widget]

Yes

[sudden tusk]

its quite cheecks

in single tar

[sage shadow]

The WoWhead guide has brutal finish for M+ and culling cyclone for raid, is that correct?

[hard widget]

If the guide says so then it probably is

[storm rune]

Need a copypasta for that

[edgy widget]

Culling Cyclone is a single target talent

[hard widget]

The guy that makes those guides is the theorycrafter in here

[sage shadow]

Yeah I know, my small brain just reads them as culling cyclone aoe, brutal finish ST

[hard widget]

Its the bladestorm logo carching u offguard im sure

[edgy widget]

that's how you'd think they should work, but read Culling Cyclone very carefully

evenly split across all targets is an important notation

[storm rune]

It's a flat 20% increase spread across all targets, so it's simply a matter of target count where cleaving a 50% increase to ramp is more damage than a flat 20% damage amp to BS

[edgy widget]

+20% vs 1 target and +1% vs 20 targets is the same number

[edgy widget]

there's a lot of stuff necessary for a robot to parse and time things properly that a human does not; guide writes will never be 1:1 with an APL, nor should they be

[wicked dew]

Do we know what ilvl tier 8 delves drop? I assume Champion 4/8 606?

[warped bone]

603

Vault wil be ilvl 616. from 8s

[wicked dew]

So probably Champion 3 not Veteran 7 right?

[restive pewter]

so whats the angle for gearing on tuesday? m0 world tour>bountiful delves?

then normal>heroic anubar

nerubar

whatever the fuck

[warped bone]

Champ track is correct @wicked dew

[wicked dew]

Ty fren

[storm rune]

So adding up 10(7+3 from Slayer) ticks of BS with the 20% amp equals 1863.54%AP, A 50% amped Ramp totals up to 712.12%, each amped cleave will hit for 391.71% at which point it makes Brutal exceed Cull at 4 targets, and that's before taking Slaughtering Strikes in to consideration. Am I mathing/understanding this right?

[warped bone]

Prob want to do delves before M0 at least if you will be running those M0s with friend. Seeing the slots you get Delve loot from you can trade to others in M0

[restive pewter]

that makes sense

[ionic plaza]

the fuck were they thinking with the fury teir set? its neither interesting or even good numbers wise either

[edgy widget]

Fury does not get 10 ticks of Bladestorm, it gets 8

it also has an offhand hit

[wicked dew]

none of them are interesting, but yeah warrior's are weak af

[frank dawn]

After some of the nerfs, like yeah ours is still one of the worst, but it’s only 2-3% behind most of the good ones at this point I think

Kinda whatever imo

[edgy widget]

counterpoint: when your set is only +2%, being 3% behind is 60% less

[frank dawn]

Im never gonna mathematically recover from this

[edgy widget]

so yeah, it's only 2-3% behind, but it's also half the power

I mean I agree with you - in totalilty, it's not huge

and I don't even mind blizz trying to make tier sets smaller

but if that's the case, why are some barely 2% while others are still 6%+?

[frank dawn]

But yeah that’s a super fair point

[brittle crow]

the plan to fix my sleep schedule has backfired horribly

i have woken up at 1am

good morning

[edgy widget]

and you know there's gonna be one or two that are inexplicably like +12% and never get toned down

[warped bone]

A wee bit annoying warrior tier is the one that also have 3 other classes

Meaning I'll have to wait for all the ones ahead of me to get it before i get to touch it xD

Buut. Like we have said. It aint very good so, eh

[storm rune]

Man I'm confused. Checking logs BS hits 5 times with both MH/OH, but the tooltip off the talents states it at 7, so with fully stacked Imminent Demise it's 8MH/OH hits on not 10? and Is the AP listed only for mainhand attacks so I have to add on 50% damage per tick to include the OH?

[frank dawn]

Eh with catalyst and one time rewards acquiring tier is pretty simple these days even without drops

[edgy widget]

Arms and Fury use the same spell, Fury just has a bunch of overrides that makes it work differently

[warped bone]

Ye thankfully

[edgy widget]

if you look at the tooltip in game, it'll show the right numbers

[storm rune]

Ah so I'm just lacking info 😦 Makes sense that my numbers are wrong, silm was saying it was almost immediately that the talent starts to pull ahead

[burnt stone]

In the wowhead guide, ons is missing in the slayer st talents section.

[storm rune]

Ons has been removed since last update

[covert blaze]

we don't use OS anymore yeah

[sterile remnant]

Question here

So in this build we keep spamming RB till we have 90 crit on BB or nothing else to press?

[storm rune]

Tracking crit has nothing to do with our rotation

[sterile remnant]

So RB till there is no RB?

Even if BB was a guaranteed crit?

[unreal onyx]

Afaik you just spam BB no matter the crit %

„Spam“

[hardy shuttle]

I thought inside of cds you just back and forth rampage and CB until 100% crit for BB. Outside of cds you make sure to spend them both before rampaging

I can't site my sources

I know I read it in one of the discord but that was a little while ago, on dummies I hardly see a difference

[sterile remnant]

So after each rampage BB and CB no matter what?

[silk wharf]

The way I understand it is that as long as you are enraged everything but bloodthirst is used regardless and you only remove raging blow if it would overcap your rage.

So both empowers, onslaught and executes.

[cedar depot]

after testing, its not worth prioritizing execute if i have 3 mark for execution stacks, barely a dps difference.

buff execute

[vast sluice]

Yeah yuk, it’s pretty shit. BB and CB hits twice as hard it’s crazy

[deep ember]

Which Simc version should we be simming with now? Latest? Nightly? Weekly?

[vast sluice]

That’s why I just throw it in as a filler if I don’t have anything else to press

[silk wharf]

its a weakness of having an execute effect at all. if that ability is strong it skews performance to that boss health.

[vast sluice]

But I heard 5 stacks of ash should be > so I don’t know.

[cedar depot]

I only prioritized it for keeping up ashen juggernaut, but using it above crushing blow or bloodbath even with 3 stacks of mark for execution was actually a slight dps loss lol

[gilded pawn]

usually do latest

[deep ember]

Cheers!

[sterile remnant]

Onslought is not picked in the build

I can be wrong but looks to me you keep spammin RB untill you guarantee your BB crit
Under 35% you move to CB BB after each rampage

[native saffron]

Where did they use the points instead of ons btw?

[sterile remnant]

Execute still a filler

[cedar depot]

sudden death/vicious comtempt i think

[sterile remnant]

Need to test this but numbers look this way

[silk wharf]

I didnt know a build without onslaught got cooked.

neato

[cedar depot]

CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW7MAAAAAAAAAgRDMDYMMDjBmFYYGjZmHYYmZbbMmZmFMzMzMjZYb4BYMzAAAAhZssNwCYCmhJwYbYD

only for pure single target

[covert blaze]

no

what it means is that if another cb will put bb over 100% crit, then bb>cb instead of cb>bb

[silk wharf]

I immediately looked on wowhead since Archi is so on the ball like all the time.

[gilded pawn]

is the kaching weakura bakc

[silk wharf]

I deleted mine at the end of DF

lol

[sterile remnant]

Dude you do the CB no matter what you dont get my point. Im talking about the RB spam part

[covert blaze]

?

you are confused i think

[sterile remnant]

Ah responded to my first

Didnt see that

My bad

[unreal onyx]

I just re-read the wowhead guide but it doesn’t say anything about a sprcific crit-% you have to hit before using bb

[covert blaze]

the 90% thing is on maxroll

[sterile remnant]

The guide insists on RB spam

[covert blaze]

the prio is right there

[sterile remnant]

And i agree CB RB above all when enraged

[covert blaze]

there is no RB spam thing that would overwrite the rest of the prio

[unreal onyx]

Wouldn’t I just rather gamble on lets say 25% crit to have base bb dmg + potential bleed rather than „waste“ like 3-4 trys?

[sterile remnant]

The RB does more damage but sub 35 BB does more

[covert blaze]

yeah you dont delay bb for bloodcraze

you are reading into this too much

just follow the prio

the prio is correct

[unreal onyx]

So if enraged just BB>CB>ramp>rb>bt ?

[covert blaze]

no

cb>bb

[cedar depot]

CB>BB

[covert blaze]

unless cb will overcap the crit on bb

then, and only then bb>cb

that's what the 90% thing means in the maxroll guide

[unreal onyx]

Ohh

[covert blaze]

this is rare btw

[unreal onyx]

I thought I gotta spam gamba rb to build stacks

Havent heard that as tech yet, so I was doing it right

[covert blaze]

the maxroll guide should clarify the 90% thing

i can see why it confuses people

[unreal onyx]

Theres gotta be a lot of rng going on to put you at base 90% bb crit

[covert blaze]

it's not base

it's bloodcraze stacks during reck and stuff

[eternal sundial]

Revvez weakauras make bt glow when that's the case

Just top prio on glow

[covert blaze]

cause if you cb when bb has 90%

then your next bb will have 105% crit chance

and youre wasting crit chance

[unreal onyx]

If it resets rb cd, no?

[covert blaze]

no

[eternal sundial]

Read bloodcraze

[covert blaze]

read bc

[eternal sundial]

It's not df bc no mo

Ya zhai zahi @covert blaze ya zhai where did tide of blod go

[unreal onyx]

Mb

[covert blaze]

you're good

i can see why this is confusing like i said

it can sound a little strange

[unreal onyx]

#fury trying to gaslight me to overthink once again

Just press button

Got it

[covert blaze]

im a big sks hater

[eternal sundial]

Press button if it glows

Also incredible weakaura tip

[unreal onyx]

But my avatar, reck and bs don’t glow

[eternal sundial]

DO NOT FUCKING EVER make rb glow when itd glow on your bars

If you do it you get eye cancer and gain no Info

[unreal onyx]

I just use luxthos wa

Without any tweaking

[eternal sundial]

Im tweaking

High off of blinker fluid

[unreal onyx]

Im tweaking bc monday

[covert blaze]

i slept 5 hours in the last 48

[eternal sundial]

Im in yodieland

[eternal sundial]

Der 45 Bus fährt 44 ab, ich stehe da 45 und warte 10

[unreal onyx]

I gotta go on business trip in the mythic raid/m+ week

[wind sentinel]

is odyns fury dot a bleed?

[unreal onyx]

[unreal onyx]

Classic

Now try with db

[covert blaze]

she Der on my Bus til i fährt

been a while

[eternal sundial]

Me on raid launch

Only missing 1 tho

[unreal onyx]

If fury doesn’t get nerfed at least I got a chance to still get into pugs

[covert blaze]

you should type funny language more often phjil

[unreal onyx]

Last 2 xpacs it’s been bleak

[unreal onyx]

Warum sollte er so etwas tun

[eternal sundial]

I did every now and then when the right ppl are around

[covert blaze]

so true

[unreal onyx]

Diese Diskord-Austauschplattform kommuniziert ausschließlich in anglizistischer Sprache

[eternal sundial]

Ligma Bälle

[covert blaze]

koch & sack eisenwaren

[eternal sundial]

Fast learner

[unreal onyx]

Their merch is usually sold out

[eternal sundial]

I can go to their store after work maybe

We'll see

[unreal onyx]

Location leak

[eternal sundial]

Not really

[brittle crow]

how many valorstones do u get from a heroic dungeon

[covert blaze]

15 per boss and 30 for the last boss

i think

someone fact check me

[brittle crow]

so u should spam 3 boss dungeon

or the fastest dungeon

is there 1 thats faster than the others

[covert blaze]

cinderbrew is fast if you giga pull

rookery might be faster on average

[brittle crow]

i dont trust giga pulls w/ pug heals

even on hc

[teal pine]

id like to never do rookery. unless theres something about the first boss i dont understand

[vital sonnet]

Make friends

[molten wing]

just farm wax

[brittle crow]

2am on east coast

friends be asleep

[vital sonnet]

Make international friends

[brittle crow]

i need valorstones now not valorstones future

[vital sonnet]

It's online

[covert blaze]

go farm wax

[brittle crow]

wym its online blizz explicitly bars international play 😭

[molten wing]

i hit my valorstone cap by just turning the wax while mining

[vital sonnet]

Just move 4head

[brittle crow]

but i want my wax for the future ..

[molten wing]

but yeah , you either spam hcs , or you spam follower dungeons or you farm wax

[covert blaze]

farm wax to cap then farm some more

insane tech

[brittle crow]

insane

[green blade]

how to check fury mythic+ build? use wowhead?

[brittle crow]

ye

[green blade]

thx

[green blade]

wowhead better then maxroll?

[brittle crow]

maxroll is sus

dont trust it for anything

i think warrior is fine but lots of classes r straight up ai generated

[molten wing]

wasn't there some controversy about maxroll using AI for their guides

[eternal sundial]

Warrior one is exceptional

[brittle crow]

wowhead still better

[eternal sundial]

Revvez ideas got implemented in the sims and gained damage

[brittle crow]

fair

revvez goated

[eternal sundial]

Agree to disagree

But if you have stuff right before sims do you are making a strong guide

[errant vessel]

When did this happen

[white stream]

90% of guides i saw on maxroll, LE, poe, d4, are shit

legit meme site

[brittle crow]

poe?? d4?? le??

[tardy lark]

Its hard to make guides that are good for every level of player

or at least useful

[white stream]

not that, they are just plain wrong

with some dumb picks

and nosense builds

not to mention when they are good they never update it

[tardy lark]

dont want to make rotation too complex with too many conditionals, but then you have people who are really into that telling you you're wrong

[green blade]

oki

[obsidian patio]

what happened to the fury m+ build links?

[tardy lark]

feel like arpg guides are a lost cause

[covert blaze]

a lot of stuff changed in the last 2 days so probably stuff is getting fixed still

[tardy lark]

you will almost never get the exact same gear

[obsidian patio]

ok ty

[white stream]

some people can do some real solid works

[covert blaze]

there should be something on wowhead tho

[white stream]

rare ofc lol

[tardy lark]

if your build uses a million uniques its pretty easy to make a guideline, but PoE especially is so vast that there are multiple answers to problems and listing them out would make people not read shit

just the fact that you can play Lightning Strike for example as a million different ascendancies and its still good just makes any guide never have a binary answer

[covert blaze]

you just copy top players from leaderboards

[white stream]

thats why you need to understand pob to follow any decent guide ( and any decent guide have notes too )

[tardy lark]

i feel like most decent PoBs dont have notes because the people doing good work dont care about posting it

[tardy lark]

me in d3 xd

[covert blaze]

worked in lost ark too

[eternal sundial]

I copy what revvez does and im happy he's telling me why for once

[tardy lark]

Man i wish LA wasnt that hard to get back into

actually 🐐 combat

[eternal sundial]

But it's the less casual friendly guide wcyd

[covert blaze]

[tardy lark]

i even feel like its more casual friendly than wowhead techincally

[covert blaze]

best sound design ever in a game for me

[covert blaze]

idk i'm explaining the 90% crit thing daily

[tardy lark]

"not showing anything about thane cause it sucks"
"this is a CD window"
"this is your opener"
"here is where you prelimilarily press your cds"

[white stream]

if you look some real nice depth builds like multiple mirrors of fugbun for instance, they are real solid

but rare

[covert blaze]

that minor optimization is confusing a lot of people

into thinking they want to get to 90%

[tardy lark]

yeah spirit bomb lady is peak

or gunlancer

[covert blaze]

wardancer

[tardy lark]

Ziz guides are good as well, but mostly useless to better players because we know to get resistances, tweak a build to our current budget and so on

I dont need to be told how to fit MB into my shit, i can figure that out

[white stream]

yeah they are uber entry level

[tardy lark]

I kinda wanted to play glaiver, but getting back into LA without actual humans to play with

[white stream]

i was excited to d4 exp but after what i saw the raid content i got just lmao

[tardy lark]

and the giga card grind aint it

[covert blaze]

i mained zerk and then switched to glaivier

guild killed hard vykas and then i quit

[white stream]

fucking raids on an arpg

[covert blaze]

a great game ruined by korean mmo greed

[white stream]

gtfo

[tardy lark]

I only got to do the first raid thingy before i stopped

dont even remember why

[tardy lark]

its just not very west friendly i guess

dropping 100 bucks a week on a game is all good in asian countries apparently

[covert blaze]

yeah i played that shit all day every day for a while

and i couldnt keep up with pay pigs

wcyd

[tardy lark]

i think i stopped when i realized i felt like i had to do 6 chars for chaos runs to remotely keep up

[covert blaze]

56m btw

[gloomy lynx]

Might be a dumb question but is it worth rage capping to use both cb and bb

[storm rune]

yes

[covert blaze]

yes it's normal

[gloomy lynx]

👍🏻

Just feels weird after playing am in s4

[storm rune]

Fury in S4? Sorry I couldn't hear you over my cleave critting for 1.2mil

[tardy lark]

i really liked that guy

[covert blaze]

yeah he was based

[unreal onyx]

Only fury

[storm rune]

Jesus

[unreal onyx]

When I say I play fury, I mean it

[dusty geyser]

do i need Weathered Harbinger Crest to upgrade gear later on or should i use it to get my 590 pieces now ?

[gloomy lynx]

Now that fury has back no reason to play arms

[unreal onyx]

I think depending on the base ilvl you upgrade, you don’t need them for higher tier gear at all

Like in df for heroic/mythic gear you only needed aspects

[unique prism]

Are there any raid trinkets I need to put on my pref list?

[molten wing]

probably after they get buffed

[river reef]

[south kayak]

M+ isn't up next reset right?

only M0

[hidden kite]

Is warrior still bad

[south kayak]

No

[fading sky]

box stop

warrior bad

we sandbag until its to late for them to fix

[south kayak]

[unreal onyx]

Ye, and nm/hc raid

Iirc

[south kayak]

ok

[hidden kite]

Warrior trash confirmed

[south kayak]

M0 is veteran gear it seems like

[weary ice]

I have a fdk, enh and fury war and fury is just so fucking fun to play I don’t know what to do lol

[unreal onyx]

Play fury obv

[unreal onyx]

Unbiased opinion

[weary ice]

Well our m+ group tank is war so kinda not great

[south kayak]

Play all

[weary ice]

But yeah fury so fun

[fervent spade]

How are the current sims looking for fury vs arms?

in raid

[south kayak]

very close

[tardy lark]

basically even

[south kayak]

almost negligible

[tardy lark]

arms outperforms on 2 target though

[unreal onyx]

In ST and MT/ 2-T?

[radiant plank]

Arms outperforms on all targets

[unreal onyx]

Arms always outperforms in 2T

[radiant plank]

[oblique trail]

Good thing we'll have a lot of these in the raid

[tardy lark]

mostly last 2 i guess

[radiant plank]

Stacking Silken court on mythic

[oblique trail]

I am 99% sure Court is not 2 target

*For melee

[weary ice]

Crafting 2H first is probably a pretty solid move yeah?

[tardy lark]

cant stop me

[south kayak]

Have they hotfixed Profaned Tinderbox in Nightfall Sanctum? I haven't seen one in quite a few runs

[radiant plank]

Your tanks will, somehow they make every 2T fight a 1T fight

[tardy lark]

Tanks are inhuman

[covert blaze]

What about heroic

I was thinking about this earlier today

[oblique trail]

no clue, I've only seen a mythic pov

[covert blaze]

Not sure I want to bother learning arms for 1 fight

[unreal onyx]

Benzai doesnt bother with pleb content

[fervent spade]

word

[unreal onyx]

Just play fury anyway

[covert blaze]

I probably will

[unreal onyx]

Same

[high basin]

last boss looking like a fury boss too

W

[summer geyser]

Last boss seems like a addfest. Fury all the way

[brittle phoenix]

Don’t

Just go fury perma

[white stream]

are you competing for world first ?

[radiant plank]

What u mean for 1 fight only, the entire tier is Arms time

[covert blaze]

🫡

[unreal onyx]

Wrong channel sir

[covert blaze]

Yeah I'm revvez' alt account

[white stream]

[unreal onyx]

Undercover

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[radiant plank]

I mean idk what to tell you

[white stream]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[radiant plank]

Fury will catch a nerf on HC week and then yall be crying

[white stream]

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-plan-coping-kid-the-kid-is-coping-gif-26280717

[unreal onyx]

I will still play fury

[covert blaze]

#fury message

[unreal onyx]

I‘ve played fury in SL S1, nothing can break me

[white stream]

https://tenor.com/view/the-one-he-is-the-one-gif-14744864

[radiant plank]

If you look at the fights on hc and normal Fury will literally soak all the pad possible and be on the top end of overall damage but prolly last on boss damage

Then you catch a 20% nerf to OF and bladestorm and spear

and arms 3% aura buff

[unreal onyx]

Not my fault other classes don’t have insta-aoe

Smh

[radiant plank]

If you wanna avoid nerfs, be ethical and play ons

[brittle phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[radiant plank]

https://tenor.com/view/sukuna-malevolent-shrine-copium-gif-17048246567311451549

[unreal onyx]

Have all furies unionize and play bad fir the first 2 weeks of raid to get buffed and then demolish everything

[covert blaze]

The entire paragraph is the realest thing I've read in here in a while

[radiant plank]

Dont evne need to play bad, just dont spec into OF and go Ons instead

[covert blaze]

Warlock behavior

[south kayak]

This is so real it made me feel bad

[radiant plank]

Like the adds on normal on any fight will die to a single OF + cleaved BB cuz of reap the storm

[unreal onyx]

Just buff the adds

[radiant plank]

If you remove OF from your talents they wont die

And you let the havoc/sub/enha soak the pad

and then on mythic week

you go pump

[south kayak]

Surely blizzard knows the difference between pad and actual damage :cluegi

[covert blaze]

I need to parse heroic it's the only thing I'm good at

[unreal onyx]

This

And mythic hps

[radiant plank]

HC week parses matter !!

[unreal onyx]

Nothing is pad, if you need adds to die no dps is wasted

[opal birch]

goodmorning! is there already an overview of bis gear from the m+ rotation for the lazy and the weak?

[south kayak]

Doubt adds are needed to die in hc or normal

they can die from just passive raid damage

[covert blaze]

Hopefully colossus arms does infinite damage on heroic silken court and fury doesn't catch nerfs because of it

Copege

[unreal onyx]

They need to die regardless

„Oh no you are good at aoe burst, that’s mean, you shouldn’t be able to do that“

[covert blaze]

Me holding all CDs on heroic echo of neltharion for p3 adds

[errant vessel]

I wouldn’t mind them reducing OF numbers and buffing our consistent dmg

[unreal onyx]

Nothing wrong with that

[covert blaze]

Tindral roots need to die (by my hand alone)

[unreal onyx]

Mob needs to die, you kill mob too fast = bad

?

[oblique trail]

It's a bit hard to tell now with HC dungeons being a thing, but personally I think because of RA alone (and the 10 modifiers to RB) that our consistent damage is in a good spot

[errant vessel]

Ye for sure

[south kayak]

It's not as good as the best consistent damage in the game but that's fine because our burst is very good

[covert blaze]

broke: the boss dies slower
woke: I do more damage

[unreal onyx]

Warlocks seething bc they can’t individually apply their dots to 15 mobs abd wait 20s for them to do dmg

[errant vessel]

Just that if they choose to nerf OF I demand compensation >:(

[south kayak]

You'll get nothing and you'll like it

[errant vessel]

Real

[unreal onyx]

Fury then either does exclusively ST dmg and no add dmg, ir ok boss dmg and giga aoe dmg

I know what I choose

[south kayak]

I think they're gonna only nerf the big outliners based on HC data cough arcane

[covert blaze]

I do too, believe me

[covert blaze]

I think they'll buff 1 or 2 of the other specs instead

[unreal onyx]

Buff surv

[covert blaze]

It's on my bingo

[unreal onyx]

Buff aug

[tardy lark]

abolish aug

[unreal onyx]

Nerf mage? They‘d rather buff other classes to compete with it

[oblique trail]

Abolish Aag

[tardy lark]

ayo

taking my vouch back

[oblique trail]

Too bad i've already settled

[unreal onyx]

Gottem

[oblique trail]

😎

[south kayak]

then raid is too easy

[tardy lark]

[unreal onyx]

I Wonder how many raid walls there‘s gonna be this time

[south kayak]

[fading sky]

Nerf arcane mage at least

when theres 1 spec thats an outlier its better to nerf

[unreal onyx]

Cant wait having to farm ara ara for 50 runs

[fading sky]

imma get it first try

❤️ faith

[unreal onyx]

Surely

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/echidna-ara-ara-re-zero-gif-19959889

[unreal onyx]

Offering 100k to the first guy that drops it and trades to me

[eternal lance]

[oblique trail]

weeb

[radiant plank]

weeb

[tardy lark]

i'd be a weeb if i knew who the grill is

[unreal onyx]

insert spider man meme

[tardy lark]

i just remember the podcast girl saying "ara ara" and "uwu"

[oblique trail]

It's Echidna from Re:Zero

[unreal onyx]

Weeb

[tardy lark]

oh, i should know who she is then

lol

[oblique trail]

I've not even watched the show..

[radiant plank]

Hasnt watched peak

,,,

[tardy lark]

then there is no point in me asking if what i remember is correct

[unreal onyx]

Weeb

[tardy lark]

he just has a waifu folder

[radiant plank]

Gooner folder

[tardy lark]

what does gooner mean

[unreal onyx]

Don’t google it

[tardy lark]

you bet im not doing that on company wifi

[unreal onyx]

You‘re too old

[tardy lark]

[unreal onyx]

Monka

[signal gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-nervous-sweating-concerned-monkas-gif-15154684

[vast night]

Folks, can you suggest a good weakaura that shows the charges after cleave use? I don't remember which weakaura I picked on dragonflight and cleaned of everything but this but I cannot find it now

it had 4 blue lines under it for each charge

[oblique trail]

Watched 4 episodes then I stopped, wcyd

[ember aurora]

Its not one with blue lines but I use this one https://wago.io/z8tmG5sHW

it shines when 1 stack left

so fury brain click on it

[vast night]

I'll test it, thanks

[foggy plank]

do you guys think double vers embellishment would be the best for double spec fury/ prot in m+?

[winged vale]

got a small dilemma team. the robot is telling me to drop onslaught for now (for st). do i listen to the robot and send no onslaught for +0.7%? i do like the idea of less abilities to process priorities for my monkey brain
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rBuiAxX2kEm14aXJqR9kKm

[oblique trail]

The pure ST talents already recommend not using Onslaught

[winged vale]

oh i must have missed that

[signal gyro]

yeah archi updated it recently to be without OS

[winged vale]

ezpz

[vast night]

Is it a good call to craft 606 2 hander next week?

[oblique trail]

You're better off holding till mythic week

You dont need it for HC week, and there can be potential tuning that'll switch recommended embellishments around

[molten wing]

just loot a weapon from heroic

[vast night]

Okay

[tardy lark]

its one of those shows where they go "the next 7 episodes is pure depression and everything goes wrong for everyone"

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-rem-re-zero-rezero-gif-5727666

[tardy lark]

him getting killed constantly is pretty funny though

[oblique trail]

I just want to watch shows and have fun

Not depression

[tardy lark]

its a pretty good show but start is slow and somewhere in the middle is pure depression for way too long

makeine is pretty boring though even for a slice of life

[clever belfry]

if u like depression you should watch andor

[eager thorn]

I think you can get depression from most modern star wars media^

[clever belfry]

please dont put andor in line with the fucking slop they produce

i will execute you

[oblique trail]

Nyo :3

[tardy lark]

:3

[clever belfry]

ure being rude rn

[near hedge]

Final rotation priority for Slayer Fury in Single Target:

Improved Whirlwind or Slam as a single target filler
So looking at the tooltips, Slam would be optimal if there's no cleave coming up or anything, like a pure ST Boss, right?

[molten wing]

on pure ST yeah , unless you are using Improved Whirldwind talent for some reason

since that makes WW generate rage which beats slam

[zinc wasp]

Why does honey buzzer sim higher than sacbrook in ST and aoe?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v8yD5sJiSth5fyGVVmCwhV

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iptBEEwJzUd43kvpYo6z1s

I lose about 30k dps and even more on aoe.

[clever belfry]

bro you need to top gear

But dmg trinkets are usually good when gear is bad

and rn everyone's gear is poopoo

[near hedge]

So yeah, if rage capped I guess Slam, otherwise Imp. WW

Although Execute itself is not weak, it does not trigger as many effects as other abilities, so besides Slayer with Marked for Execution applied to the target, Execute is currently a low priority filler, an extra rage generator to help build up to Rampage faster.
So if I got Marked for Execution on my target, is Execute top prio, or where does it fall..?

[zinc wasp]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8tk7Q4jc2d6bV78mxpsVXA

[molten wing]

dmg trinkets are not that bad atm that's why its simming for more

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vr6DEziVBN5AjeeyKQqaz2

the difference between the dmg trinket and using the egg is like 0.9%-1% which is not that big of a deal so pick whatever you prefer

[molten wing]

unless its 3 stacks of Marked for Execution , you just go down the priority list and fill with execute when you can , my guess is you prio Execute over most of the stuff only if you reach 3 stacks of Marked for Execution so you "consume" them so they dont overcap

[gilded pawn]

If you have improved ww you never slam

[native saffron]

Do people normally track those stacks on ST.

[clever belfry]

on pure ST theres really no need

as u get a SD proc every 3rd

on cleave the 3 can missalign however, maybe making it worth to track 🤷‍♂️

but just press SD when it lights up, then it shouldnt be an issue.

[serene vessel]

Fellas I cant sleep

[clever belfry]

put the phone down

[serene vessel]

I have an important interview tomorrow. Why does my body do this to me

[oblique trail]

If you're rage capped then filler is not a concern

[oblique trail]

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/aqw-punting-twilly-gif-20285548

[molten wing]

thing is , Archi has updated the ST talents where you actually use the SD proc talent as well meaning you get those SD procs from both sources now

so i wonder do you just use Execute as a filler, and when you are about to cap or if you even ever cap 3 Mark of Execution stacks

[serene vessel]

If ur rage capped just rampage

[sterile remnant]

In a perfect world

[eager thorn]

Poor twilly wtf

[sterile remnant]

You use execute to keep the crit buff up

But on rage cap rampage is prio

After that you use CB BB and execute if you neef more rage

[molten wing]

if you are rage capped and you have CB BB , you use those two first

unless enrage is dropping

you dont care that you are overcapping rage

[sterile remnant]

Yea thats right

As long as youre enraged CB and RB are prio

[serene vessel]

Well yes but thr subject of discussion there was whether to use slam or ww as filler

When you should just rampage

[molten wing]

slam on pure ST , with the ST talents
WW on cleave fights playing the cleave talents

[sterile remnant]

About BB there still are some questions in my mind but sub 35% you use BB as well for sure

[molten wing]

since the ST talents does not take improved Whirldwind

thats it

[gilded pawn]

Idk why we are still talking about slam

It’s such minimal amount of damage

If you use ww vs slam on st

[sterile remnant]

Well its a min max so its there

Like it or not

Button wise doesnt matter you switch slam and ww lol

[molten wing]

ever since this wipe i've had on Azshara Mythic i'll take any minimal amount of damage i can take

[gilded pawn]

Just blame it on rng

The top players don’t sweat this hard for 0.1% damage

[young swan]

this is literally lowrolling the 5% variance on abilities one too many times

[hexed kiln]

your offhand missed too much

literally your fault

[sterile remnant]

Wrong.

[gilded pawn]

Even ppl like critcake doesn’t min max everything

[hexed kiln]

why wouldnt you slam

[sterile remnant]

They spend milions of gold for 2k extra dps

[gilded pawn]

Revvez doesn’t heroic throw prepull

[chrome plover]

"sweat this hard"

[gilded pawn]

That’s 5k damage missed

[chrome plover]

presses slam

[hexed kiln]

pressing the same bind as your whirlwind button isnt sweating

its the same thing

[young swan]

stop making stupid strawman arguments

[sterile remnant]

Are you a hard core player man? Why would you care

Its just there

[radiant plank]

Lowroll DN

[sterile remnant]

Dont use it if you dont want

[young swan]

the real argument to be made is that pressing slam over whirlwind is gonna matter way less than just making sure you press any ability every gcd

[gilded pawn]

^

[fickle bluff]

im so lost

[young swan]

its a stupid discussion

shocker

[gilded pawn]

And if you are that far down in the prio list maybe rethink your life

[fickle bluff]

is someone trying to argue that pressing slam is better when you have mc talented

[young swan]

reminds me of legion

[hexed kiln]

theres no argument

[radiant plank]

Noobs dont know that wrecking throw > slam = ww

[gilded pawn]

Xan when I first started playing this game

People tell me to prepull shattering throw

[fickle bluff]

walhe im sorry but you are the noober

[gilded pawn]

For 1 free slam every fight

[fickle bluff]

wrecking throw was only better when it was bugged and could crit

[radiant plank]

nooooooooo

[ember aurora]

if it's pure solo and you dont have ww buffed for some reason just bind slam on your ww and that it

[young swan]

there was tech in legion to heroic throw prepull to auto proc concordance

[chrome plover]

omg

[young swan]

it still works with void elf racial

pretty sure

someone less lazy than me can test that

[fickle bluff]

not sure if it was ever doing it in game, but for the first little bit of tww in simc it was critting

[sand crest]

so we're really going into season 1 with no changes to this terrible tier set?

[young swan]

sure seems that way

[sand crest]

thats crazy

[serene vessel]

I mean its s1 tier sets, they always suck

[sand crest]

yeah but fury's is particularly bad

[radiant plank]

Enha tierset 14% dps increase

[serene vessel]

Pretty sure one of the rogue specs, their tier is a literal dps loss

[radiant plank]

kek

[tidal echo]

hey guys, should i overcap fury to cast bloodbath and crushing blow?

in aoe specifically

[oblique trail]

Yes

[sand crest]

yes

[young swan]

yeah

[unreal onyx]

Yes

[gilded pawn]

No way right

[serene vessel]

I think iys combat

[gilded pawn]

It has to be at least neutral

[young swan]

outlaw is like 1% or something

[tidal echo]

even during recklessness window?

[young swan]

@ 639

[oblique trail]

Yes

[sand crest]

especially during reck window

[tidal echo]

okay

[young swan]

this is the reason reck is a bad cd

dont let silm see this

[chrome plover]

they are nerfing a few of the overperformers i think

[sand crest]

why dont they buff the underperformers instead

smh

[serene vessel]

Think it has something to do with the set bonus not being good enough to make up for the bad stats

[unreal onyx]

I don’t even know what our tier in S1 is

[chrome plover]

because they are not meant to be that impactful

[unreal onyx]

Is it „ramp stacks x crit %“ again?

[serene vessel]

It's s1 tier they're always boring

Df s1 was execute lol

[chrome plover]

i'd rather the class be tuned well with a bad tier set

than tuned badly with a great tier set

[tidal echo]

so like, in an aoe openner should i always use these two buttons before fury of odyn, DR and bladestorm?

[hexed kiln]

s1 tier sets werent always so boring

[tidal echo]

or after

[sand crest]

when rb resets itself add x dmg to bt

something like that

[gilded pawn]

Df s1 fury is very impactful to rotation at least

It’s just shit

[hexed kiln]

u can make an early tier set that isnt powerful but makes the class feel better

[unreal onyx]

Return of ka-ching wa time? I hope not

[gilded pawn]

No kaching

Just passive

[serene vessel]

Kaching

[sand crest]

no kaching, its jsut dmg not crit chance

no point in stacking it

[young swan]

its irrelevant

has 0 impact on gameplay

[unreal onyx]

Snoozer tier

[sand crest]

at least the hero talents are pretty cool

[serene vessel]

I liked kaching, I miss the neuron activation

[young swan]

s2 was dead ass the worst tier set in DF

[fickle bluff]

tier (bt makes ramp do 10% more) is less effective than a t2 talent (rb makes ramp do 20% more) whats even the point man

[hexed kiln]

imagine your 4 set impacted your hero talents

[young swan]

prob will in s2/s3

[serene vessel]

Ur just a s2 hater

[unreal onyx]

S3 DF tier on smolderon dmg amp with avatar and spear was neuron activation

[young swan]

it was a bad tier set

compared to s3 and s1

[serene vessel]

Aintnoway

[young swan]

"s3 made us play anni" isnt an argument against s3 design

[unreal onyx]

We stan S3

[young swan]

cause s3 with current design would be sick as fuck

[serene vessel]

Man just said it was bad compared to "sudden death procs more"

[narrow narwhal]

I liked S3

Sudden death procs more felt good

[cunning lake]

hey guys, should i overcap fury to cast bloodbath and crushing blow?

Anyone got a good video for fury that covers stuff like this?

[narrow narwhal]

Sadly not damage good

[unreal onyx]

I think S1 felt good to play but numbers were dogwater

[young swan]

I only liked s2 when u could over stack it to do big burst in aoe

that was fun

brain off listen to WA might as well be as bad as s1 tww

at least 10 stacks made it do big fuck dma

[buoyant salmon]

ppl that hate on s3 tier because it played annihilator are bad and dumb

[serene vessel]

S2 felt good too. It made bt usable again

[buoyant salmon]

i also think s2 was a fine swt

set

[unreal onyx]

S2 was only fine for m+

[serene vessel]

S3 sucked. I dont like anni

[unreal onyx]

And dog for raid

[young swan]

it wasnt

fury fell off cause every other spec in the game got buffed

[serene vessel]

U kidding? Prepping your bt for sark clones

HOLY

[young swan]

no fault of the tier set

[unreal onyx]

Anni just replaced rb with slam

[young swan]

stuff like this was cool

WA automation made me want to blow my head off

[unreal onyx]

Prepping one hit when S3 has 3 huge hits without prep

[chrome plover]

I liked s2 and s3 🙂

[serene vessel]

I despise the trend of making generators passive

[buoyant salmon]

bc youre bad

[serene vessel]

?

1v1 me orgrimmar

[young swan]

agreed

anni sucked

but the s3 tier set was goated

[buoyant salmon]

?

[young swan]

one of the best tier sets we've ever gotten

[serene vessel]

Wouldn't know didn't play s3 because I hate anni

[unreal onyx]

S3 fuck good, and the S4 vote was stolen

[radiant plank]

S3 so nice when it could be played with 1 macro

kappa

[serene vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1155731369952034896/bongofury.gif

[young swan]

not s3 fault

blame RA

(bad talent)

[buoyant salmon]

the odyns fury cd was shit

cool idea though

the guarentee crit was nice

[serene vessel]

I mean absolutely s3 fault consider the only reason you played it was because of yhe tier ser

[mossy fox]

didnt hate set just hated the build

[radiant plank]

Proud S1 voter here btw

[young swan]

learn to isolate and compartmentalize

[serene vessel]

You can't just argue it in a vacuum like the set wasn't the reason you played it

[young swan]

you can look at the whole just as much as you can look at the parts

[serene vessel]

Literally no lol

[young swan]

why

[lost bison]

s3 set/build was the best fury felt for all of DF

for raid

[young swan]

we literally played the s3 tier AFTER anni was removed

and it was goated

people loved it

to say otherwise is willful ignorance

in which case im not gonna argue with u

[serene vessel]

I can't comment on that because I didn't play warrior s3 s4. But the s3 set is what caused you to play anni ra

[fickle bluff]

can guarantee you the majority of people loved it because it was ridiculously OP

[young swan]

can guarantee u people enjoyed it cause big numbie = dopamine