fury

[viral jasper]

Nah stack the tremors and let 5 leaps kill everything lol

[brittle crow]

i never got that many stacks of tremors

xd

[viral jasper]

Unlucky it did cracked damage

[exotic glacier]

So far I’ve only gotten the same 3 consistent buffs.

[viral jasper]

Delves buffs are not interesting

Honk shoe ass mode

[mossy fox]

some ppl like them

[brittle crow]

the game is better when i get to play my class

instead of playin the buffs

[mossy fox]

personally i find them boring af but i realise it's not made for me

[restive peak]

^ same

[viral jasper]

Oh it is made for all of us when we get 606 gear 🙂

[exotic glacier]

*until we get 606

[mossy fox]

they'll be irrelevant for me soon enough

[slim coral]

Damn Critcake just got got

[exotic glacier]

Hmm?

[mossy fox]

uhuh

[viral jasper]

When we get 606 gear from them

[restive peak]

Only our split chars need delves 😛

Our mains will be in heroic by end of week 1

[exotic glacier]

Ya, once we are over 606 they won’t be relevant anymore.

[slim coral]

One day I hope to catch a drunk stream live

Maybe when arms becomes meta

[viral jasper]

Yup but gonna spam the keys out week 1 anyway

Not a raider so it is peak ilvl

[slim coral]

Specifically colossus

[mossy fox]

i drank half a bottle of wine today but didnt do much (i think)

[viral jasper]

Wine just gives hangovers

[mossy fox]

a bit chattier maybe

[winter shoal]

[slim coral]

Speaking of drinking I got soju in my fridge I’ve been meaning to drink

[mossy fox]

btw benzai when will you fix your sleep sched

you're always typing at demon hours

[wheat estuary]

whats best to make first for crafted gear with crests? the 580 ones

[covert blaze]

banezi grinding genshin every waking hour

[winter shoal]

With just the weathered crests it doesn't really matter since you can make a bunch of them quickly, but probably weapon first

[exotic glacier]

How many spark fragments should I have right now? Because I have 3

[winter shoal]

Chest also good but gl finding someone to craft it

[winter shoal]

Yes 3 this week, 4 next week

[exotic glacier]

Whew. Not behind

[winter shoal]

Sparks have catchup anyways

So if you're behind, just do some dungeons or something and you'll get caught up

[exotic glacier]

K

[sullen dove]

Mine is c3 :3

[sullen dove]

very important grind

[polar fulcrum]

What is "stormstrike" damage? Is it another name of nature damage, or another damage type?

What is "stormstrike" damage? Is it another name for nature damage, or another damage type?

[olive wraith]

It’s part of thane kit I think

[dense elbow]

It is physical nature damage

[dusty cove]

How much of a nerf is the reduced damage beyond 8 targets for Odyns fury and thunderous roar?

[dense elbow]

It wasn't a nerf

Always had been like that

[lean heart]

just a tooltip update its always been like that

[olive wraith]

My b you said damage type I didn’t read everything

[young swan]

physical/nature hybrid

fancy way of saying "this ignores armor"

[dusty cove]

oh really??

[dense elbow]

Rly rly

[dusty cove]

well thats good then

[lean heart]

since stormstrike is phys/nature does it benefit from both mystic touch and chaos brand? ive always wondered this

[dusty cove]

is the change to crusing force the thing that builds up crit chance on BB?

[dense elbow]

Best of the two

[young swan]

I honestly have no idea, I'm pretty sure when its conflicting amps it takes the higher of the two. In this case i have no idea which it would use

[orchid bay]

Mountain thane is so much cooler

[lean heart]

interesting

[lean heart]

no youre thinking of Bloodcraze in the spec tree
Crushing Force is in the class tree

[dusty cove]

ah okay thank you.

[abstract cosmos]

does titanic enrage really take precident in aoe? Im having trouble understanding why, is the lack of haste not really an issue?

[dense elbow]

You mean powerful enrage?

Or titanic rage the OF node?

[abstract cosmos]

sorry powerful

[half plank]

powerful enrage also feels like uber shit to play imo

[dense elbow]

Mainly cause our burst dont scale with haste

It will even out more when thing live for longer, and dont worry too much about it. Play haste if you want to

[half plank]

it sims really close to eachother so i wouldnt worry about it yeah

[abstract cosmos]

cool, powerful enrage didnt feel great

[spare steppe]

How does it feel different?

[winter shoal]

Feels like you're playing in the mud

[dense elbow]

It is slower

[half plank]

it just feels so crazy clunky and slow

[spare steppe]

I really need to try the OG enrage now

Cause I’ve only been playing with powerful

[dense elbow]

When we used to that perma "heroism", not having it feels baaad

[half plank]

yeah i did too the entire way up untill like 3 days ago

[modest condor]

OF is big damage on aoe and is not affected by haste

[half plank]

and now fury feels pogger

[modest condor]

and while bladestorm channel becomes shorter, it doesnt do more damage

so powerful enrage gains value on aoe compared to st

[half plank]

i misread, whoops

[dapper badge]

One question my dear warriors... After Rampage(RA build) on 1 target ,and let's say we can only use raging or bl.. on 1 target prio is empowerd raging >BB> raging>bl ...and for aoe emp raging>BB>bl>raging?

[viral jasper]

Powerful jacks our burst way more, which is where most of the damage is

[dense elbow]

CB, BB, RB, bt

[ionic bone]

can someone explain why brutal finish is doing more damage than culling cyclone in aoe ?

[brittle crow]

20% extra dmg split on ~8 targets

is nothing

50% more dmg to ur highest non-amped rotational ability, not split

is lots

[viral jasper]

And it gets ww benefit

[dense elbow]

Culling is 20% of BS value, other is 50% ramp mod cleaving

[brittle crow]

but 20% bladestorm dmg in single target where it isnt split

is a FUCKTON

compared to 50% more on ramp

[ionic bone]

I see

[dapper badge]

Even in AoE normal raging have prio over BT?

[restive peak]

Yes, you want to build up bloodcraze

[brittle crow]

did archi update that in the guide

cuz the guide said bt > rb in aoe

[sudden tusk]

Reap is very good

[restive peak]

Reap is strong, BT/BB still has a CD regardless

So you're going to send both, may as well increase your crit chance

[dapper badge]

But BT have 20% to spread some shit

[restive peak]

Yes you'll still send BB/BT on CD...but you have 2 GCDs between

[brittle crow]

if ur just sending rb then theres a high likelihood that u leave BT on forever cooldown for a long time

then ur losing so much reap

[restive peak]

You're not gonna sit there for 2 GCDs

That makes zero sense

If you just pressed BB

BT is on CD

So you send 1-2 RBs

[brittle crow]

well obvi u press rb then

because u cant press bt lol

[restive peak]

Exactly

So the "prio" doesn't matter, it will be pressed the same amount of times regardless

But you're doing that on ST too

[brittle crow]

but if u can press bt or rb then u press bt, theres lots of times where u can press both but cant ramp for cb/bb

[restive peak]

You very rarely don't have the rage to press BB on CD

[dense elbow]

What is the dps diff if you press BB first anyhow?

[restive peak]

It will lead to a DPS net even most times, the increased crit from RB stacking can highroll

[restive granite]

anyone intelligentier on this discord can tell me if the procs of slayering strikes and the BT one are just rng or procs per minute?

[restive peak]

Minimal, you lose 15% crit chance, so minimal in a 1 off but over time..potentially a lot

[dapper badge]

On ST I see why RB have prio, but for more sense for me is BT prio over RB, if both are up

[restive peak]

You can prio BB/BT if you'd like, you're also not considering you're losing ST/prio dmg for a 20% chance at a slight AOE increase, but also if it would've crit w the 15% you're now losing ST/Prio/Cleave

[ionic bone]

1 extra reap in the pack is way more dps than 15% crit, i think so too Uros

[dense elbow]

Ya don't lose a BT tho

[restive peak]

If the pack will die from the extra reap, it doesn't matter for anything but your ego

And if you're prioing some reap DPS in a pack w a big focal target, and losing ST/Prio on purpose for pad that won't matter, you're hurting your team

[ionic bone]

tbh it also just feels so satisfying to see reap on as much as humanly possible 😄

[dense elbow]

Play AM, Reap away

[restive peak]

and that's fine, but I'm looking at it from a high key/raid boss AOE perspective

I want to make sure I'm doing as much ST/prio while killing the remainder of the pack, my place on details means nothing

All damage is not equal

[dense elbow]

There be a reason it called pad

[restive peak]

For example, we're probably going to be assigned to the adds on rashanan w roar/OF

Our pad dmg will be very high, our boss dam will be low, and the reality is we're the pass of least resistance BUT a diff class running their AOE wouldn't make the adds suddenly a problem

[bitter ether]

Hey guys what would be the best pre raid enchants for weps for first day

[restive peak]

In that case, it's what's best for the team

[dapper badge]

Basically RB more consistent DMG, BT more rng

[restive peak]

But that's not all cases

Most TARGETTED damage, prio/ST, whatever way we want to say it

[brittle crow]

false

pad is life

[dense elbow]

[ionic bone]

just hold on for 1-2 more weeks, things might change

[brittle crow]

me being higher on the charts subconsciously tweaks loot council in my favor

so its more important

[restive peak]

I think he means general enchants, not embellish; it would be radiant power

[dense elbow]

I really hope that ain't the case for you, Fruit

[bitter ether]

ty ty

[restive peak]

Fruit loves a good troll moment, don't stress 😛

Np homeskilleto

[dense elbow]

I worry, ai live in the world of 'top dps get loot'

Meaning me

[brittle crow]

top dps get loot

simple as

[ionic bone]

can't say i'm happy that we will be farming the hell out of grim batol for 2x weps and trink

[restive peak]

You won't, you'll craft 1 wep

[ionic bone]

ah yes, that would be a bit better

[dapper badge]

But idk .. AM builds feels more like fury , faster gameplay

[restive peak]

And remember the GB wep is only BIS in that exact setup of gear

It isn't auto BIS because of haste/mast, any wep you get will be pog

[dense elbow]

That a lie, 1h still bad

[ionic bone]

kek

[restive peak]

LOL

[kindred scarab]

nah, no need to clip the race wings. I don't know why everyone always have to go for the most destructive solution. If this actually becomes an issue, its a matter of either; A) make the skill enter a long cooldown if used in combat. B) Make it non usable in combat (for non evoker dracthyrs). C) Make it non usable at all inside instanced content like BG or dungeons/raid. No need to ruin the fun for people that don't care for any of the above and just wanna have fun.

[restive peak]

I mean they could just play an evoker then

It should've been moved to a class ability tbh, this will lead to everyone who can being drac

[dense elbow]

I mean, they could just normalise the speed boost

[ionic bone]

glide is so broken in raid tho

[restive peak]

But w/e, Blizz investors stoked as fuck

[covert blaze]

disabling it and removing it out of combat might as well be the same thing

[ionic bone]

did u guys stock up on wax btw

(for valor after cap)

[restive peak]

Nah

I'll be doin 8 m0s a day for myself and my team anyway, we'll be swimming in stones

[ionic bone]

are the really gonna be enough for upgrading every slot of gear tho 😄

[restive peak]

I mean for some it may be worth, I'll personally be funneled from 1 of our splits and will skip a ton of stone spending anyway

[ionic bone]

i'm gonna have a 1000 wax just in case

[restive peak]

And be gated by crests

[dense elbow]

Only 8, but you got 7 chars?

[kindred scarab]

surprisingly, not many people seems to like playing Evoker, but probably do like the race and are waiting for the class expansion. Let them have fun, limit/nerf glide where it should. But outright removing it is overkill

[restive peak]

But if I weren't, I would

3 chars and we let the alts die after mains are split

[dense elbow]

Smh, I liked you better with 7

[restive peak]

Leaving glide in will get it completely removed eventually, power creep is not good; but we'll agree to disagree

And evoker has less players because of aug being the only viable DPS spec

I would never do 7 bro lmao

3 was enough

[kindred scarab]

cannot cause a power creep if they limit its usage, like mentioned, a simply case of making it unusable both in combat and in intanced content sounds good enough to fix any concern.

[restive peak]

If heroic goes well week 1, we legit can let our alts die (I will, some people intend to play theirs)

[dense elbow]

The dream

[restive peak]

Like Zhai said, limiting it that way means you may as well remove it

Or just let everyone float faster when out of combat and questing

[covert blaze]

limiting and removing is the same thing

who cares what people do while doing world quests

[dense elbow]

The ppl that do that content

The 99%

[restive peak]

Warrior having glide is fucking stupid, it really is, and broken, and I disagree with it heavily

[kindred scarab]

exactly, might be surprising, but there are actually people that like to do content outside of pvp or instances.

[restive peak]

I don't even PVP and the problems it would create is insane

So why do you need glide? All that other content you can just fly in

[covert blaze]

i don't disagree but youre arguing semantics is my point

[kindred scarab]

why worgen need a racial mount form?, they could just mount up.

[olive wraith]

So disable glide in combat

[restive peak]

Worgen racial is from a very early time and is outdated and honestly, a dead racial

Noone picks worgen for it

[dense elbow]

Worgen got a mini in combat speed boost no?

[restive peak]

I feel like you're just arguing to argue, it's weird.

[covert blaze]

very bad strawmanning my dude

[restive peak]

Evokers and DHs having their glides include them being balanced around those movements

The other classes that can now be drac are NOT balanced around it

[covert blaze]

100%

[dense elbow]

I just see issues for PvP, and some for PvE, like how it really boost Priest

Non drak priest will be trolling

[tulip swallow]

I don't get the glide thing, it's not that good

[restive peak]

I mean Publix or w/e made a vid within hours about how sick it is haha

Because when used properly, it's a 45% speed increase

[dense elbow]

It really is good, it is s lot of speed

[tulip swallow]

Like with two charges and heroic leap you don't really need another knockback negate

and bladestorm immunity I guess

[restive peak]

If your raid team finds a way to use the glide to change a mechanic as a group, this is a perfect example of where it's going to be needed

[dense elbow]

More is always better, but ye - for warrior it ain't as broken as for example priest

[restive peak]

It changes the dynamic of classes that weren't meant to have that speed

[brittle crow]

its more like 30% no?

[restive peak]

I was told 45 if perfectly used

I admittedly am basing it on that

[covert blaze]

i dont think anyone is talking about warrior specifically

[brittle crow]

on demon hunter its like, 30% ISH
you keep pace with feral

and optimal dh is the same as dracthyr

[restive peak]

IDK, maybe it is 30%, any % is still game changing for classes not designed to have it

[brittle crow]

yea its fucked up

dracthyr is bis for all content that isnt hard hitting bleeds

simple as

[dense elbow]

Nelf is still good

[brittle crow]

shadowmeld is worthless compared to glide

[charred estuary]

So are we back to overcapping rage to use the RA buffs

[restive peak]

The stops, when 4/5 stacked and coordinated, are also unacceptable

[brittle crow]

yes

@charred estuary

[restive peak]

Yes Auridan, during CDs

[charred estuary]

im gonna kms

[brittle crow]

true

[charred estuary]

how do we always come back to this asinine gameplay

[restive peak]

I could see that being a fair way to look at it

[dense elbow]

Well, drak looks birdboned, so it ain't for me no matter what

I will get my 2k Rio either way

[brittle crow]

yea im not switching off orc to play dracthyr

sure wish i would tho

[teal pine]

It’s why I’m playing either dk or mage

[brittle crow]

mage

[winter shoal]

RA has improved a ton since 10.0 but I think it's still fundamentally flawed

[brittle crow]

WIZARD

GET OUT

[teal pine]

We love casting spells

[dense elbow]

Boo booooo

[brittle crow]

i see ur angle........

[covert blaze]

:CAUGHT:

[tulip swallow]

[teal pine]

Actually haven’t played genshin in like a year feels like

[brittle crow]

me neither unfort

[teal pine]

Whenever s first banner came out

[tulip swallow]

Whenever they do new expansion content it's pretty good, the dlc content that adds on to the regions kind of drops the ball imo

[brittle crow]

wow is the only gacha i need

[teal pine]

I didn’t play df except for the very start but imo that’s the worst version of fury I’ve played. Why even have a rage bar.
This fury is definitely better but I still don’t love it

[winter shoal]

The very start was the bad part

Before 10.0.5

[tulip swallow]

once I get my gear setup I'm happy to just raidlog tbh, in shadowlands I did m+ with a team too but the scheduling gets a lot harder

[winter shoal]

You literally pressed ramp > cb > cb the entire fight

[teal pine]

Yea.. I remember people talking about how “smooth” it was

I could not comprehend

[cloud harness]

I see loads of trash talk in this channel whenever someone wants to try make the best of SMF, but no suggestions or Sims of how to make the best build you can for it (even if it's worse)

Can any non-troll provide links or advice to someone who wants to force the build?

1h fury is better for my tism as 2 2h makes me angry as a concept

[tulip swallow]

The RA rework putting bloodbath in the rotation is enough to make it better for me tbh

[winter shoal]

You'd drop a point in either sudden death or vicious contempt (probably VC but you'd have to sim it) and then just swap to 2h weapons

I simmed it the other day (compared to an older talent build) and it was almost exactly 5% behind titans grip

[restive peak]

Sims will work, so you can play around, but noone has bothered even remotely seriously simming SMF alternatives and it's unlikely to change; probably just drop SD for SMF or 1 VC

[tulip swallow]

Sim cantrip weapons to see if any of them are noticeably better, sim different combos to find what the best talent to drop is

[cloud harness]

Thank you both

[signal gyro]

im ngl I would've thought SMF would've been way more than 5% behind so that's actually not too bad

[winter shoal]

Another option Linc suggested the other day is to xmog these bad boys https://www.wowhead.com/item=34891/the-blade-of-harbingers

[restive peak]

Np homie

[winter shoal]

They're very small in game

[tulip swallow]

There are plenty of gigantic 1h weapons and tiny 2h weapons, yeah

[restive peak]

Yeah, I stand by my suggestion of that

[young swan]

pretty sure you just drop the single point of deft experience now

or SD

[restive peak]

They look like 1hers

[cloud harness]

I have a mog and that axe looks like my nephew made it in btec art

[restive peak]

If I ever wanna feel classic-y I just throw those beauts on 😛

But respect on whatever you choose, as long as you're accepting of the dps loss

[winter shoal]

We only play 1 point in DE though? nvm saw your edit

[lusty idol]

Use the vrykul sword. They minimized the fuck outta that thing

[young swan]

i corrected myself

[winter shoal]

No DE sounds so painful

[young swan]

yeye

i mean

[winter shoal]

Like it's probably correct

[tulip swallow]

I guess smf proccing more enrages makes dropping it less bad

[winter shoal]

But oof

[young swan]

we already werent playing with it

prior to the "no capstone" build

wait

nvm

i lied

[winter shoal]

[young swan]

the aoe build doesnt play with it

is what i meant

[winter shoal]

That gets enrage from TR I guess though

[young swan]

even tho its exclusively useful for BS

[winter shoal]

This is probably true

It wouldn't be too tough to sim if you have 1h weapons already tbh, there's probably a way to force it in top gear as well but I don't know enough about raidbots to do so

"too tough to sim" referring to simming different talent setups

[young swan]

honestly smf is prob a lot closer now than it ever was in DF

[restive peak]

Deft isn't really needed, it's just a nice bonus, and it'll be less needed soon

[young swan]

just cause our new ST build is so fucking odd

[tulip swallow]

I'm assuming if you actually have smf talented 1h would be better than 2h, if 2h is better even with smf that's kind of

[winter shoal]

This was the case when I simmed the other day, but again build has changed since then

As in 2h was still better than 1h even with SMF talented

[cloud harness]

Why did they ruin my class fantasy and make the opt-in to return to it expensive in talent points and non viable

Should just let me mog 1h on my 2h cos no one gets hurt by that

[winter shoal]

Yeah I think basically everyone agrees it should just be a transmog option, but wcyd

[tulip swallow]

The mog thing is weird but at this point they must have a good technical reason for it 🤷‍♂️

[brittle crow]

they dont

we could do it in legion

its arbitrary

[cloud harness]

Remember Varian wearing plate and using two swords?

Blizzard forgot but I didn't

[brittle crow]

varian dead

...

[storm topaz]

There are a ton of oversized one-handers that wouldn't even look remarkably different from the smaller two-handers

[young swan]

i need shalamayne so bad

[cloud harness]

That's where I got the swords

[signal gyro]

Varian dead because he wasn't using two 2h's

https://tenor.com/view/nodders-gif-26414892

[winter shoal]

Real

[restive peak]

Ye I have a mostly naked set prepared for when I get those

[winter shoal]

Could've used the extra stam

[cloud harness]

Can a kind soul link me that talent build u said only sucked a little for SMF

I'll pay u in platonic love

Gunna do Sims but I want a place to start it off as I'm an old tbc fury main returning to spec

Lots of dials to change it's all a lot rn 😭

[brittle crow]

tbc damn

[winter shoal]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kJEyTqjyEKMHHEEUnVyr6k looks like your best choice with 1h is to drop a point in VC, and dropping 1 in SD is only a little worse, although the playstyle with SD is a lot better imo

[cloud harness]

My hero

Love u big bowl

[winter shoal]

Click the little 4 way arrow to see the full talent build

[winter shoal]

🫡

FWIW I think most people here are pretty helpful if you ask a genuine question (like you did), a lot of people ask about SMF and things like that and are uhhhh not so friendly about it

[brittle crow]

because we hate smf for what it took from us

[winter shoal]

And yeah xan it looks like the best smf build is -4.6% (with my gear at least) so much closer than in DF

Interestingly though, dropping DE is -5.9%

[eager thorn]

Time to go smf

Making myself look cool with 1h mog will make me do 4.7% dps more

[cloud harness]

Strange to me that SD doesn't add much in a build where u get more autos

Seems like that would be the reason to go 1h

[winter shoal]

I think it's a ppm thing but not really sure

[cloud harness]

Yeah must be

[eager thorn]

I wonder what the dps diff will be with smf having the new brd gear

[cloud harness]

You all mentioned dagger fury, was that a meme?

Bizarre to think of it really

[winter shoal]

P sure it's just a meme

I know the best classic warrior played with a dagger for a long time in TBC because he couldn't get better loot to drop, and people thought it was some secret tech

[restive peak]

Is there a cantrip 1her that does 5% more dmg? If so, equal; if not unique equipped, slightly better. 😛

[cloud harness]

TBC was a bizarre time for gear

Prot palla wanted a pvp weapon or it couldn't function for tier 4/5 😅

[eager thorn]

Nah but ironfoe mh oh combo looked kinda juiced

I’m just coping though

[winter shoal]

Ironfoe isn't unique-equipped?

[eager thorn]

I’m dumb as well as a coper

[cloud harness]

Flip the system and make Titan Grip a talent again

[sudden tusk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212528993283088384/1228863090368450592/ezgif-2-db49a54415.gif

[junior gale]

the main stat proc tho on the sword

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-vampire-bat-pixel-gif-7231209074183542492

[unreal onyx]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851463475275366505/1240306666298413106/GMCBc-WaYAA2gDd-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[restive peak]

If only they werent all heroic ilvl capped

[junior gale]

if only

cowards also didnt let hand of justice proc another melee attack!

[modest condor]

we got crit to log out with a gavel during dragonflight trying to bait people into thinking there was some secret tech

[unreal onyx]

I wish that was real

the gavel tech

[junior gale]

Fuck gavel

[exotic glacier]

This is why he logged out with SMF just to mess around.

[abstract dirge]

does execute take prio over bloodbath with juggernaut stacked? or we just rampage crushing blow bloodbath execute as filler

[heavy flax]

anyone have this weird input lag thing? I'll press a gcd but it feels like the ability doesn't go off until like halfway through the gcd of the button i just pressed almost like an animation lock. Sometimes it'll feel super smooth and other times it feels like there's a delay on everything. pretty sure it's not just normal lag

[sudden tusk]

do people really check his character that much

seems weirdge

[exotic glacier]

People are really cringe

[covert blaze]

i'm gonna copy critcake's mog for extra dps

[half cargo]

I don’t think it’s weird at all tbh

It’s one way to find niche/emerging builds in mythic+

Every discipline/sport/art or whatever, you look at the ones at the top and see what they do

And that’s not the same as blindly copying

for raiding looking at top logs is arguably the same concept

[spiral shell]

What would be the best race for warrior pve wise

If it matters

[eager thorn]

Dragon

[cunning tusk]

I have this issue in open world but not instances

[heavy flax]

ah ok i was just testing on the dummy, I think changing the spell queue window might have fixed it but not completely sure

[exotic glacier]

Sigh… dracthyr. When they come out, it’s so much CC and a glide.

Ok maybe also mechagnome

[velvet obsidian]

Cringe. Best race is orc. DPS gains for racial are minimal and subject to change. Aesthetic is forever.

[winter shoal]

It doesn't really, good options are mechagnome for pure dam, night elf for meld in keys is good, dwarf is also very good

[winter shoal]

Yeah sounds like SQW but if you're testing in Dornogal there could be weird server lag - I always do my dummy testing in Silvermoon bc there's never anyone there

[spiral shell]

i have been orc, blood fury is nice

i guess lol

but the primary stat is nice i might do mechagnome ty for the input

[winter shoal]

I also play orc

Racials are a pretty minor difference

[brittle crow]

going from orc to MECHAGNOME is huge cultural whiplash

[winter shoal]

Orc and NE are basically the same dps I think, dwarf is a little more

[spiral shell]

L;OL

[winter shoal]

Mechagnome is sim bait

Like it's mathematically bis but then you have to play mechagnome

[brittle crow]

nothing is worth playing mechagnome

[covert blaze]

fr

[brittle crow]

so am i supposed to have valorstones capped going into s1 to use on actual gear

i feel like i should

[winter shoal]

I mean there's not really anything else you can do that's productive

Get Brann leveled if you haven't

But yeah I'm capped with like 600 wax stockpiled to turn in for more valorstones later

I guess technically renown is still slightly productive but if you weren't already doing that then you won't be able to reach a level that matters I think

[mint abyss]

Do you guys move alot when dpsing even when mobs are still? I have a habit of non stop moving from the game I used to play lol

[winter shoal]

I think that's a common trait among mdps players

[brittle crow]

ADADADAD adds dps

[mint abyss]

Ok. Thanks I thought WoW was different lmao

[exotic glacier]

He asked for best. Numbers are numbers. I just answered on a utility AND damage basis.

[brittle crow]

ffxiv player smelled??

[mint abyss]

ESO

[brittle crow]

he's seen things we can only imagine

...

[exotic glacier]

Positionals in WoW would be pure chaos.

[brittle crow]

quest markers are so aids underground this expac

like stop pointing me to an arbitary point inbetween azjkahet and hallowfall

[subtle pagoda]

I assume we use Execute on cd when below 20%?

[brittle crow]

no

use as filler in st

[exotic glacier]

Execute is only used with SD procs or as filler.

[subtle pagoda]

Okay good to know, wan't mentioned (or I missed it) in the wowhead guide

Thanks 🙂

[exotic glacier]

Execute is just…not that good a button 😦

[subtle pagoda]

I'm fine with that, I don't like this kind of spells

[brittle crow]

it goes by the rotation section

u can see its below everything except bloodthirst in st

unless u need to press it to keep up ur juggernaut buff

[subtle pagoda]

Yeah I saw it mentioned in the rotation, but nothing about the <20% portion. I double checked and in fact it's because there is an entire description of the <20% rotation

That was my bad

[exotic glacier]

It’s just not called out because we don’t need to worry about it anymore.

[subtle pagoda]

Totally makes sense, but it's unusual to have such a spell not being used much, since they usually are quite powerful (?)

That's why I was wondering if there was something fishy there

Thanks again !

[exotic glacier]

No, you’re right. They usually are. It’s strange

[heavy flax]

oh gotcha, yeah i was in dornogal, i'll have to test somewhere else

[brittle crow]

til u can heroic leap out of the minecart crash in darkflame

huge knowledge

[slim grotto]

any hope for SMF or still 10% dps loss?

[latent hedge]

there will never be any hope for smf aside from transmog

[winter shoal]

#fury message

[slim grotto]

[winter shoal]

You can make the call on if a 4.5% dps loss is worth it for you, that's easily within the variance of playing well vs playing poorly, but it's also 4.5% free dam

[slim grotto]

Gonna test this build out now, ty Bigb

[winter shoal]

🫡

[slim grotto]

All stat prios and rotations are the same or?

Oh running champ spear? Does that make this raid spec?

[winter shoal]

I think this came off more biased than I meant it - what I meant is that someone playing well with an SMF build can easily beat someone playing poorly with a standard build, and if you're not doing highest-level content then you can still definitely beat it with an SMF, but you should be aware that you're making that tradeoff now

[fickle bluff]

There's no difference playing smf

[winter shoal]

I mean probably same stats and rotation but I don't think anyone's put in the time to really test it

[buoyant salmon]

everything is the same you just do less damage

[winter shoal]

And yes that's raid build for pure single target

[buoyant salmon]

and u can transmog 1 handers

thats it

[winter shoal]

There may be some cantrip 1h weapons that are good, idk I just slapped on some crafted 590 1hs for the sim

[buoyant salmon]

i dont think there is this season

might be wrong tho

[slim grotto]

👉 👈 do you have an m+ SMF build you can share too @winter shoal

[winter shoal]

It'd be the same as the normal M+ build but you'd probably drop a point in bloodborne for SMF

Something like that idk

[violet thorn]

are you guys taking onslaught for raid ST?

[winter shoal]

But it'd probably be a bigger loss than the raid single target build

[winter shoal]

Not anymore, wowhead guide has the updated builds

[violet thorn]

right on, so just alternating between their raid ST/raid multitarget for diff fights then?

[gilded pawn]

yeah

we dont really have super specific builds

[hasty river]

are we going to be able to do 4 bountiful delves each day?

[hazy summit]

does rampage hits are enraged themselves if you were not enraged when you pressed the ability?

[gilded pawn]

yes

[winter shoal]

Yeah, I have a mostly-st-but-using-roar-and-OF build planned for a couple fights but it might be overcooked idk, it's the "roar of (-1 vc)" build here https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6j1Jfzc1nzTibvpBV8HHGG

[brittle crow]

whats up with this do i save it for tier 8 delves

[winter shoal]

I spent a long time cooking a specialized arms build for council of dreams and then it ended up being shit and we just played normal build

[violet thorn]

we really dont have many buttons without onslaught lmao

[winter shoal]

So this might end up being the same

[junior gale]

Council Fob build fucked if u got good boss rng

[buoyant salmon]

def did not play normal build on council

real ones know

[winter shoal]

Okay one of our tanks was a little braindead though

[hazy summit]

was that yes for my question or the delve one lol

[winter shoal]

So we had like 30 seconds of triple boss stack in the entire tier

[junior gale]

usually how it went most of the time

[buoyant salmon]

actually most ppl did play normal build

[junior gale]

I didnt get a 99 on that fight till I got lucky with omega boss stack uptime

[gilded pawn]

rampage

[hazy summit]

ty

[winter shoal]

I 87d that fight with garbage arms stats (I played fury on everything else and only had fury gear) the one time we had good stacking

[buoyant salmon]

oh dude i played fucking collat on that boss

i think i overcooked

idk why i had storm bolt talented but fuck it

[winter shoal]

Me and Ppaww were cooking hard in prep for that boss

He wrote like a custom fob apl or something

[buoyant salmon]

bloodsurge and collateral is crazy

[junior gale]

still absolutely worst fight of the tier idc

[hollow chasm]

council fights always are

[buoyant salmon]

council and nymeue both sucked

[winter shoal]

Nymue was the best fight in that raid wym

[hollow chasm]

when was the last good council fight? the nine? lol

[buoyant salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[winter shoal]

(my guild died on Tindral)

[junior gale]

Council in Voti was fine

[winter shoal]

I'm 0% capping, that fight was so sick

[buoyant salmon]

it was only fine bc it was unbelievably easy

[hollow chasm]

primal council was ass. it was just 4 target dummies

[buoyant salmon]

it was a fucking atrocious boss

disgusting mechanic vomit

[winter shoal]

The end of that fight was a fucking warzone in melee

It was awesome

[junior gale]

it was fine just got to blast

not saying it was the best

rather do it than council of dreams anyday

[winter shoal]

It was like the terros that volcoross didn't get to be

[hollow chasm]

pantheon was ok. nine was pretty good. council of blood pure ass

[junior gale]

Does SLG count

[hollow chasm]

[buoyant salmon]

pantheon was bad too

[spare steppe]

We did the polymorph bitch duty for council 😦

[buoyant salmon]

mechanic vomit

[winter shoal]

You didn't have augs do it?

[spare steppe]

Nope they chose the mechanically aware players and I didn’t realize I’d be picked everytime if I volunteered once

Not a CE guild though, we usually get to the last 2 and struggles

[junior gale]

never speak up never volunteer just blast

[spare steppe]

Yup learned my lesson

[brittle crow]

i wish my guild got to last 2 and struggled

[violet thorn]

if you still have crushing blow/bloodbath up but enrage falls off, do you use them before rampage or nah?

[brittle crow]

no

[violet thorn]

thanks!

[brittle crow]

why are u not using em beforehand tho?

theres valid reasons but i wanna make sure u have actual good reasons

cuz cb/bb take #1 priority after ramp usually

[violet thorn]

like for example if you bladestorm

and enrage falls off before you have the chance

[brittle crow]

ramp -> bladestorm -> crushing blow is all within ur enrage window

try not to bladestorm with half an enrage bar

well, dont try

just dont xd

[violet thorn]

but then you could still have blood bath up

with no enrage

[brittle crow]

bladestorm uses bloodbath

unhinged

[violet thorn]

ah fair

also exectute proccing with no/low timer on ashen jugernaut

execute*

[brittle crow]

if u play ur cards right u shouldnt have to do an un-enraged execute to keep juggernaut up

if juggernaut is about to fall off, u prio exe over anything else

so just send an exe while ur still enraged over anything else and u will b fine

[violet thorn]

yeah exactly, i mean say youre about to lose enrage, have blood bath up but get an execute proc with no ashen jug (or low timer)

youd use the execute

[brittle crow]

prob not

i mean, maybe

i wouldnt

but idk if im right

[violet thorn]

what are the reasons you were thinking of then?

i cant think of another situation rn haha would have to hit a target dummy

[brittle crow]

m+ mostly

stuns are good heals are good both take gcds

[violet thorn]

sorry im talking about single target atm

[winter shoal]

M+ you wouldn't have ashen to begin with tho

[brittle crow]

we're talking abt unenraged bb/cb

[winter shoal]

Ye they were saying you prio maintaining AJ over Bb though

Which is true but wouldn't be a thing in M+ spec

[brittle crow]

im not talking abt aj tho

im talking abt unenraged bb/cb

[winter shoal]

Yeah I mean you probably shouldn't need to

[brittle crow]

if u have to use 2 gcds on a storm bolt and a whirlwind, ur gonna be stuck unenraged with a bb charge

so u shouldnt use it

u ramp instead

[winter shoal]

But if you did need to because of other things, you would

[violet thorn]

oh btw for this

[winter shoal]

Yeah maintaining enrage is higher prio

if you didn't have rage for ramp though you'd send an unenraged bb

Super edge case though

[brittle crow]

well obvi xd

[violet thorn]

on opener, do you ramp between champions spear and bladestorm in that case?

[brittle crow]

we use spear in st now?

[winter shoal]

It all just boils down to follow the APL

[brittle crow]

dark days

[violet thorn]

like ramp twice i mean

[winter shoal]

Yes

[winter shoal]

reck charge ramp ava spear bs

Then cb out of your bs unless enrage fell off

it shouldn't but you could get unlucky

[brittle crow]

that opener does make enrage fall off doesnt it

and either way u wont be enraged for the bb

well ig unhinged could refresh enrage

[winter shoal]

You need one of your unhinged BTs to refresh enrage yes

[violet thorn]

you ramp before ava?

[winter shoal]

Yes

[violet thorn]

i just sent both ava/recklessness together

[winter shoal]

You want enrage on the titans torment OF

[winter shoal]

This is normally fine, but on opener specifically you don't want to really

You want to reck with charge to make sure you can immediately ramp

[violet thorn]

fair enough, it just throws the timers off for the next set i guess

but not a big deal

[winter shoal]

Only by like half a second, nbd

[violet thorn]

but hold up, if you charge then reck you still can ramp

[winter shoal]

Idk I always reck first but that's probably correct

But you still want to ramp before ava

[violet thorn]

50 rage from reck, 10 from ava, 20 charge

[winter shoal]

So that you're enraged for the TT triggered OF

[violet thorn]

how are u able to ramp before ava thoug

though

it costs 80 rage but youve only built up 70

just from auto attacks?

[winter shoal]

If you reck first your charge generates more rage

[violet thorn]

ah i see

[sterile remnant]

Reck + charge

You will have enough to insta enrage

[winter shoal]

Sometimes your unhinged will refresh enrage and you can CB out of BS, sometimes you have to ramp again

[violet thorn]

wait are we talking about m+ here?

[winter shoal]

Not that big a deal

[violet thorn]

cuz im talking about raid ST

[winter shoal]

I'm talking ST

[violet thorn]

why do you have odens fury for ST?

[winter shoal]

You don't

Oh

Yes

Good point

Lmao

[sterile remnant]

Not anymore

[sudden tusk]

less button good

[violet thorn]

haha fuck my brains spinning with the acronyms, just learning fury atm

[sterile remnant]

The current ST build is lame

[winter shoal]

Technically it's not OF that would matter, it's Titan's Torment

[violet thorn]

agree like 3 button rotation

[winter shoal]

But yes you don't use that anymore either

That's my bad

[sterile remnant]

2 actualy

Bb cb

[winter shoal]

I mean that's just wrong but go off king

Like at a minimum you need to ramp to even generate BB and CB

But also execute is a button you need to press for slayer, or TC for thane

It's not a lot but saying it's 2 buttons is just disingenuous

[violet thorn]

okay but so without OF, it doesnt matter if you ramp before/after ava then right?

so you can just sent ava/reck together then ramp after?

[sterile remnant]

Tbh you are spamming rb/cb

[winter shoal]

I think you'd want to ava first to get the extra dam on your ramp

[sterile remnant]

And you execute or bt/bb on down times or on procs

[violet thorn]

okay right on so better to just charge>reck/ava>ramp>spear>bs

[sterile remnant]

Below 20% ye you can say more buttons

[sudden tusk]

Reck/Charge/Ramp/ Ava spear/ Bladestorm/CB/BB

[dapper goblet]

nerf warrior

[winter shoal]

Wouldn't need to BB because of unhinged

[violet thorn]

but why reck before charge now?

[sudden tusk]

big rage big good

[violet thorn]

just for the extra bit of rage?

[sterile remnant]

More rage

[winter shoal]

Rotation doesn't change below 20% but again go off king'

Me when I spread misinformation

[sterile remnant]

It doesnt change thats correct

[sudden tusk]

Reck generates 50 rage

change generates 40 rage

insta Ramp

[sterile remnant]

But due to free executes you can press more execute thats all

[violet thorn]

is the loss of uptime on reck really worth that 20 rage?

[sudden tusk]

on the opener absolutely

[sterile remnant]

Its like 1 sec

[winter shoal]

You press execute the exact same amount

[sudden tusk]

its like maybe 1 GCD

[violet thorn]

yeah but whats the justification for it, 20 rage?

[buoyant salmon]

first gcd rampage

[violet thorn]

you can still first first gcd rampage

[sterile remnant]

Idk maybe im not lucky then . Cb doesnt refresh 24/7

[violet thorn]

if you send ava/reck together after charge

since theyre both off gcd

[buoyant salmon]

prove it in federal court

[exotic glacier]

I gotta look over the wowhead opener.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-d-crouch-grab-get-serious-dr-disrespect-2time-back-to-back-gif-16886108

nerf this

[sterile remnant]

Lol

[exotic glacier]

dude is cringe

[sudden tusk]

i dont have nitro for the emote so i had to use the full gif

[sterile remnant]

Last resort 🤣

[safe juniper]

Do you guys see Weapon enchant Authority of the Depths on AH aswell ?

[sudden tusk]

no it drops from the raid

[safe juniper]

how is that possible its a pattern from last boss

[sudden tusk]

it is not available

[winter shoal]

I mean you're not wrong that fury is very easy and has very few buttons, the specifics of the things you're saying about those buttons are wrong tho

[young swan]

only avail on eu

dirty exploiters

[safe juniper]

So i can buy it ?

[safe juniper]

would it go away

[winter shoal]

No if you buy it John Blizzard will go to your house and delete it from your bags

[young swan]

[sterile remnant]

So youre saying im pressing the wrong buttons and thus i dont refresh my CB/RB as much as you

[sudden tusk]

technically not an exploit but you basically send an entire characters worth of acuity for an rng chance at it

[safe juniper]

So if you dont get it you waste all those acuity

[pearl sequoia]

max win

[sudden tusk]

yeah

RWF people probably have it since they already have 1800 characters and you can just spam enchanting and egineering for a billion acuity

[exotic glacier]

Sounds like you're pressing RB too often and not having a stack up for when it changes into CB.

[safe juniper]

what do you mean spam enchanting and engineering ?

[violet thorn]

oh btw in single target, do you guys ever need to slam?

or only if youve made some mistake

[sudden tusk]

Enchanting and engineering have a TON of things you can get first craft bonuses for that give 5acuity a craft. so you can do those early or drop professions to do them then re level your profs

[warped bone]

You do work orders n shit. Pick of free points. Drop proffession. Pick a new one, do that ones work orders

[winter shoal]

I'm saying your statement that fury is a 2 button spec is simply wrong, saying it's 3 buttons is somewhat defensible but you still press execute every ~9s, you press slam every now and again, you press cds, etc.

[warped bone]

And first crafts ye

[exotic glacier]

Ramp doesnt give you an EXTRA cast of CB. it transforms RB into a CB. so if you dont have a stack available to cast, you wont be able to use it.

[safe juniper]

if you drop prof and retake it everything is first craft again ?!

[winter shoal]

You do sometimes yeah, sim uses it roughly every 30s on average

[sudden tusk]

i dont remember if you get aquity from the purple items you et to pick up

[sterile remnant]

Isnt the point of the current ST build to cast as many as RB/CB during enrage as possible? (Yea dont rage cap etc)

[violet thorn]

okay nice thanks

[sudden tusk]

but if you do thats also another 100ish per profession

[exotic glacier]

CBs. RB is good, but CB is much better,

[sudden tusk]

Crushing Blow and Bloodbath are both worth overcapping rage for

[sterile remnant]

If thats the whole argument ok 3

[vast sluice]

Little confused, I’m able to send reck/ava simultaneously and still immediately rampage into spear?

[winter shoal]

Rage capping is fine

[sterile remnant]

Its fine but you rather do it less

[winter shoal]

Idk I always reck before charge but if that works it's probably fine too

[sudden tusk]

Reck/avatar dont have a GCD so you can reck/ava/spear in the same global

[exotic glacier]

can

[sudden tusk]

but you want to Rampage PRE spear so the spear damage gets the enrage damage bonus

[exotic glacier]

so dont

[violet thorn]

i think only Rb takes prio to ramp with low rage

[sterile remnant]

I think you dont really need to worry about downtime for CB

[winter shoal]

Exe does as well if you have no rb charges and are enraged

[violet thorn]

like even if you're already enraged, you still ramp if you have like 100 rage

sorry between bb and rb i mean

[sudden tusk]

half the reason why you throw extra RBs in while below 115 rage is becuase you want to generate more of them with Hack and Slash since you have nothing else to press

[exotic glacier]

you're the one saying you're not casting it enough.

[sterile remnant]

Thats what im saying

[exotic glacier]

there should be 1 BB and 1 CB for EVERY ramp. no exceptions.

[violet thorn]

which means ramp is part of the rotation

haha

[winter shoal]

Literally all of this is covered by the APL (which is put into lay terms in the wowhead guide rotation section)
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[vast sluice]

Right 🙏🏾

[winter shoal]

Some exceptions (if you drop enrage)

[exotic glacier]

literally even being rage capped isnt an excuse to skip the 1 CB and 1 BB

(that can't happen in 2 globals)

[sterile remnant]

No. Im saying during executions with bad ish rng you can cast more executes if RB doesnt reset good enough

[vast sluice]

Nice, okay I knew I wasnt tripping lol.

[sterile remnant]

This is true

[exotic glacier]

Execute should only be used to build rage if you're not getting enough to Ramp OR with SD to reduce Bladestorm CD.

even at 20%

[winter shoal]

I mean that's also not true lmao

[exotic glacier]

aj stacks... I guess.

[sterile remnant]

Yeah thats kinda what im trying to say

[winter shoal]

AJ stacks are the main thing

APL doesn't consider MfE stacks in execute prio

You just exe when you're gonna exe

[exotic glacier]

I hate AJ

[violet thorn]

if you're already enraged and youve used CB/BB but have execute up you still use it before your next ramp

[winter shoal]

See this post I made last night #fury message adding in a condition to the APL for SD as well to help maintaining AJ, it's a VERY minor dps loss for a much better real-world playstyle

[winter shoal]

Only if you need to maintain AJ or if you've run out of RB charges

[violet thorn]

yeah

[winter shoal]

Otherwise you'd RB over execute

[sterile remnant]

Nerf RB

[exotic glacier]

alright, keep AJ in mind even if you can Ramp

[vast sluice]

Need to steal that WA from you bruh 🎊

[sudden tusk]

well raging blow WAS worse

then they send Bloothirst into the gutter for some fucking reason

even tho they wanted us to press it a lot

and now we're back to this

[exotic glacier]

this aint so bad (Except excecute)

[winter shoal]

No you don't, it's bad

(and easy to make yourself)

[violet thorn]

btw how long are u guys willing to hold bs for ava/reck

[vast sluice]

😭

[exotic glacier]

9

[violet thorn]

9?

[winter shoal]

Sim says 9s yeah

[vast sluice]

Ahhhh fa sho.

[violet thorn]

ah okay nice

[exotic glacier]

Imma just start saying "sim says". people dont believe

Sim says Bigbowwl is a nerd.

Cant help it, thats what it said.

[sterile remnant]

Nerf RB still.

[winter shoal]

Sim is correct

[exotic glacier]

It's never wrong. Math is Math.

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/math-is-math-incredibles-the-incredibles2-i-dont-know-that-way-why-would-they-change-math-gif-15024041

whenever the apl changes

[violet thorn]

out of curiousity why do we rb instead of execute?

[winter shoal]

https://wago.io/nB-I95AsX lmk if this works, it's made for my own UI so modify as needed for yours, also note that the spell ID for execute changes based on your talents, so I'm not responsible if it breaks or stops showing up for you

[violet thorn]

in a low rage still enraged situation

[exotic glacier]

higher damage value and chance at resetting I think.

[sterile remnant]

More damage and good rage generation

And yea reset

[violet thorn]

doesnt execute do more dmg and regen more rage?

[sudden tusk]

execute does on average less damage, on top of raging blow buffing rampage through slaughtering strikes, on top of Raging blow buffing the Crit rate of Bloodthirst thereby buffing Bloodbath, which is also then buffed by Vicious Contempt

[winter shoal]

Sim is sometimes wrong though (usually simc itself, APL isn't really wrong so much as there's a more optimal thing that hasn't been discovered yet)

[sudden tusk]

[sterile remnant]

RB gets more damage done during enrage

[winter shoal]

That said, we don't really have anything better than even a probably-right-but-maybe-not sim anyways

[exotic glacier]

whoever drew this image needs therapy btw

[sudden tusk]

me when i see a strawberry banana smoothie

[violet thorn]

ah yeah sorry youre right

[sterile remnant]

Current ST build changes the stats or mastery haste still king

[violet thorn]

thought enrage buffed them both equally

[winter shoal]

Mastery haste still king for now, sim might start liking vers more as we get more secondaries though

[sterile remnant]

Sim wise mastery is king

[violet thorn]

yeah sorry didnt realize

[exotic glacier]

WnF let's go!!

[sterile remnant]

Yea thats it

[exotic glacier]

Friendship with AJ ended. new best friend WnF

[sterile remnant]

Men...still no OF

Doesnt feel right

[young swan]

u use it as soon as theres adds that need to die

[sudden tusk]

some of the fights have important adds some dont

[violet thorn]

so if we dont need to refresh AJ, we only execute if we have no rb up

and we only bt if we have no rage

[sterile remnant]

Raid has a fair amount of add bosses

[winter shoal]

I plan on using this build with OF for some fights with occasional add spawns personally, might be shit though idk #fury message

[sudden tusk]

basically Execute when no RB, and 3 stacks of Marked for Execution

TBH most parsing people will run shit like OF on rashan as an example

[winter shoal]

Yeah top parses will always be xxPadGodxx

[sudden tusk]

even though there is literally zero reason to you just get to parse by hitting 1 button

which is why in non important add fights you just change to damage to bosses and be a real chad

[winter shoal]

Hopefully Ansurek isn't an add fight though

That way the last few bosses won't just be pad fests like Tindral

[sudden tusk]

it is

[winter shoal]

Unlucky

[sudden tusk]

but the adds are important

so its fine

Broodmother adds also important

[exotic glacier]

taking 1 out of to get OF... bold.

[sudden tusk]

but most of the fights have unimportant adds like the first boss

[exotic glacier]

is deft experience's .5 sec enrage uptime super noticeable?

[winter shoal]

It's the least shit of the potential options I guess, VC is kinda goated on rashanan though since it starts at 60% so might play no SD on that one instead

[winter shoal]

I think so personally but in reality it's not a big deal, if your enrage drops in the global when you're going to ramp anyways it doesn't matter

[exotic glacier]

ya you do have SD in this huh....

I feel like after all the chat about execute being lackluster it feels hard to bring SD

[violet thorn]

is extra execute also worth using if it will mean that you get to use bladestorm in the ava/reck window?

[winter shoal]

Yeah SD basically serves as a way to maintain AJ better

So you don't end up in the situation where you'd want to refresh AJ but have no ImmDem proc with which to do so

[covert blaze]

hard to make the last boss interesting if it's a st fight

[winter shoal]

I don't think the sim accounts for that, but personally I've been playing it that way

[exotic glacier]

thought Ansurek had a splitting part already ocnfirmed

[violet thorn]

okay nice i was just doing that intuitively

[winter shoal]

Idk I haven't looked at dungeon journal

[violet thorn]

but wasnt sure if it was correct

[sudden tusk]

on the flip side we dont lose much going AoE talents vs full ST

so its a pretty solid fight for us

[covert blaze]

[exotic glacier]

I mean, you ran all the different sims I'd want and no SD certainly is down lower than I'd like. Guess it's coming back.

[robust basin]

Do we want to build bloodbath dmg with Raging blow to a certain point? Or send it normally

[exotic glacier]

send it.

[sterile remnant]

It has an entire add phase

[violet thorn]

champions spear buffs bs right?

[sterile remnant]

But no heavy aoe is needed most adds share hp and you must not zerg everything too fast

Overall its like 70% st

[violet thorn]

how long is it worth holding for to use with bs?

[sterile remnant]

Tbh as long as it doesnt reduce the max amount you use during a fight

[violet thorn]

fair enough

[sterile remnant]

Just keep in mind that your team can ask you to hold cds for smth to smash later on

What team needs > all

[violet thorn]

yeah for sure

[sterile remnant]

But for parsing its another story

[violet thorn]

do you guys typically maintain 100% uptime on enrage btw?

for raid st

[sterile remnant]

No cant be 100

Bad rngs

Movement

These all happen

But you aim at 100

[violet thorn]

okay nice, just to make sure im not doing something incorrectly

pretty rare to have to use slam but happens

[sterile remnant]

Yea as stats grow it will become more rare

[violet thorn]

i hope they at least bring onslaught

to make our rotation slightly more interesting lol

[sterile remnant]

Rotation is not bad it just feels bot ish

Not much room for errors or decissions

[runic violet]

There are so many shits to track..

[winter shoal]

Close to, but shit happens

That's from sim, from my testing it's more like 96% in practice

[wanton mirage]

guys , unrelated to fury, but when does Darkmoon fairy really ends on East coast servers?

[graceful plinth]

in about 42 minutes

[open prairie]

not really

You have a few short cds which basically align

[exotic glacier]

SO real slow like the opener for PURE ST... because Im dumb:
Reck-> charge->Avatar->Ramp->Spear-> BS

[open prairie]

why not just reck charge ramp

[exotic glacier]

i mean technically both reck and avatar could go on the same button

[open prairie]

no it cant

or your OF will whiff

mid charge

[exotic glacier]

ST there is no OF

[open prairie]

oh pure pure st

[exotic glacier]

pure ST, that was wat I wrote :p

[open prairie]

I have everything on its own bind

might lose an avatar global

[sterile remnant]

every time someone says this i tear up

damn it

[exotic glacier]

i know. I love it too... but math is mathing.,

@winter shoal I think you can take a point out of Fast Footwork to get 2 of 2 cruel strikes.

[open prairie]

the st talents are honestly

very simple

[sterile remnant]

yea

would be bad to have 1 more buttone/addition

[south kayak]

Apparently you can level earthen just by exploring the world lol

gonna take longer than normal obviously but it's still decent

[sterile remnant]

didnt know that

cool addition

[gilded pawn]

how much exp is even there

[south kayak]

Quest turn in is about 2k

[serene vessel]

Chat this nicoavacado thing is wild

Like I never watched him and only saw him in memes but like wtf

[exotic glacier]

I chatted about it in off topic and no one said shit. Man’s crazy

[delicate thicket]

losing weight is wild. good job to him tho

[serene vessel]

Unironically like I thought he was gonna die and then boom

[exotic glacier]

I mean. He still will die someday.

[serene vessel]

It's not just losing weight tho. He started his weight loss journey 2 years ago, and just pre recorded a ton of videos

All the videos he put out weren't current

[exotic glacier]

2 years of prerecorded mukbangs is a crazy move.

[delicate thicket]

isnt it like 10 videos

[serene vessel]

That's legit so wild. I can't imagine enjoying eating at that point

If iys only 10 videos that's not nearly as interesting tbh. Again never watched him but I thought it was like 100 videos

[delicate thicket]

idk you posted that

oh no jacknyfe did

idk barely any videos on his channel in the last 2 years

if he came back 2 years later and was still fat nothing would've happened either

[solemn oyster]

dagger smf back? 😈

[delicate thicket]

this is a low stakes move and while his weightloss is amazing

you can hardly speak of a masterplan

it makes for a cool effect doing it this way but you'd really have to explain the idea before

[rancid blade]

Everything for attention and money^^

[serene vessel]

I mean he's a YouTuber iys his job

[outer cedar]

Reckless Abandon or Anger Management what is good for slayer warrior?

[serene vessel]

I'd do the same thing if I could make that level of money off it

[brittle crow]

does anyone know how to wax farm

im willing to do some wax farming

im hearing near the lamplighters dailies

[young swan]

RA pretty much the best all around atm

you can make an argument for AM if you want more aoe dam for keys

dont think its really useful anywhere else

[heavy flax]

that's what i did, sometimes there were a bunch and other times it was pretty slow

[queen flower]

why is onslaught better than odyns fury for single target now?

[serene kraken]

Anyone know why revves is void elf on every char

[sullen dove]

prolly decent damage and mobility is cool or something idk

yall see that authority of the depths enchants are out on NA?

apparently it can drop from a 600 acuity enchanting bag

at first i was like buggin out that the recipe was only 135k until guildy said that was just a single enchant then i said "nah"

even tho mats for it are literally 5k gold maybe less

but lucky guy prolly making some sick bank

[fresh ivy]

yo we still following the wowhead guide, talent wise etc?

[sullen dove]

ya

[pearl cradle]

do you guys think is should use my weathered harbringer crest or should i save it?

[open prairie]

its good burst

[oblique trail]

Mine is c0 because I do not login anymore!!

It fixed now

[oblique trail]

It fixed now

Hate phone

[errant vessel]

Ye the medallion settings are out as well for 25k a piece last I checked

Even tho it drops from the Anubsomething boss

[sullen dove]

o rly that one doesnt seem nearly as bad

[sullen dove]

you will log in immediately!

get 100% exploration or else!

[oblique trail]

Nyo

I'm playing ZZZ

Easy slack game

[sullen dove]

zzz is neat and i got shark girl

rat girl lookin very 😈

but theres just so much yap in there

like 15% gameplay and 85% dialogue

[sullen dove]

r u on EU? i cant seem to find any on my NA auction house

unless theyve been bought out

in which case L

[oblique trail]

Ehh I'd say there's a fair amount more, but there is a lot of talking, which is understandable

The combat though imo is a lot more enjoyable than Genshin

[sullen dove]

yea i think they like rly focused on it there

it is a little cringus that like you can only use 1 ult on your whole team maybe only combat related complaint

aside from damage sponge enemies at higher levels which i havent gotten to yet cuz