For any of the above
#fury
winter shoal
winter shoal
Sorry I had to work so lost the plot on all this a while back
fierce flame
I have alternatively put ww for constant low aoe gain, it's not too bad
oblique trail
Will just go roar then depending on how spread the adds are
winter shoal
DF was like 1% I think
young swan
was 0.7%
spare steppe
how do yall notice that its been updated o.O
smoky vale
greg how much less does the bleed talent sim than sd
fickle bluff
what just bloodborne on its own?
bitter palm
sustained aoe??????
fickle bluff
with no roar thats gonna suck
bitter palm
thane
winter shoal
@oblique trail https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jxVTLXvDbfNA67rfkYQA7Q -0.4% just swapping spear into roar/twords, -0.6% pure single target if you drop 1 in vc for OF
plush ice
so, i'd been using SD over UF for awhile, i didn't realize you could drop ONS though, but for hte person above that asked, you can keep TR, and just add the bleed talent but take one away from critical thinking
orchid crag
Wait... Duskthread isn't out yet?
fickle bluff
yeah the pattern drops from raid
plush ice
its like 1k loss, kinda adrop in the bucket if you just want to keep Roar
smoky vale
just to make sure our options for uf are sd smf(joking) 35 execute and 1% mastery
spare steppe
im the one that updates it
wait what are you updating? cause i thought the wowhead/icyveins guide was Archimitros
fickle bluff
archi writes the guides
bitter palm
im the one that updates it
im the one who knocks
fickle bluff
i did a lot of the work specifically for slayer fury
spare steppe
i did a lot of the work specifically for slayer fury
you do great work!
i love this discord
smoky vale
what if we play freshmeat?
edgy widget
if you look at the timestamps on the guide, you can see when they were updated
I shared the no-onslaught build in here this morning and updated the saved build because that only takes a few seconds, but have not had a chance to actually update the guide itself yet because... well I've got a lot of other shit I need to do first
little cosmos
is the reason the boomerang sims so high is because its assuming you hit the max targets forward and back all the time?
edgy widget
partially yes, though most of its damage comes from the proc not the on-use
little cosmos
was just wondering. cause the guide was saying skarmorak trinket. but from me simming the boomerang was looking way better
edgy widget
they're different trinkets - SkarShard is good for dungeons where targets die frequently
Boomerang is more ST
plush ice
with two points in VC, if you are in execute do you want to prioritize BT over RB?
edgy widget
we're already way ahead of you, I shared the builds this morning 👍
with the new gear list, Fury is neck and neck with Arms now
fickle bluff
as it is written
edgy widget
inb4 last minute tuning ruins everything
smoky vale
i just hate how i have to pool rage
fickle bluff
youre not pooling rage
smoky vale
and i cant spam ms and op
fickle bluff
oh arms
smoky vale
fury gameplay is fine
winter shoal
we're already way ahead of you, I shared the builds this morning 👍
Oh yeah new build for sure cooks, was more just wanting to check the actual delta myself
edgy widget
FYI, Revvez actually came up with the no-onslaught build - he shared it with me early this morning when I shared my updated BiS lists with him
winter shoal
Btw Archi are you gonna do like per-fight builds? Was discussing with Banezi above #fury message
winter shoal
FYI, Revvez actually came up with the no-onslaught build - he shared it with me ...
Gamer
Has the APL/guide prio list been updated with the new build?
edgy widget
there isn't one, you just don't press onslaught cause it's not talented
winter shoal
SD doesn't affect exe prio at all I guess?
smoky vale
revvez is the goat
winter shoal
Beyond what was accounted for already with the AJ/MfE considerations
covert blaze
revvez is the goat
smoky vale
<a:nodders:1203465365091389460>
edgy widget
SD doesn't affect exe prio at all I guess?
its already written in
it's not a brand new talent or anything, just something that wasn't being used with the current build
quiet geyser
fierce flame
what is UF?
spiral shell
Which is a better melee spec? Randoms question but wanted some thought. I have both frost dk and fury leveled and geared. Both feel good don’t know which to main 🥲
restive peak
This SD using build will stack AJ much quicker too, I don't hate it
winter shoal
FYI, Revvez actually came up with the no-onslaught build - he shared it with me ...
Updated bis lists in maxroll/wh guides when 👀
buoyant salmon
what is UF?
umbilicus freternus
timid chasm
no more malding when i don't get enough slayer's strikes to keep AJ up lfg
fickle bluff
you will mald when it drops because SD procs twice a minute
sterile dagger
you will mald when it drops because SD procs twice a minute
KEKW
fierce flame
thanks
timid chasm
i remember it being mentioned before, does using an SD proc from one of SD or slayer's strikes munch the other if both are up?
bitter palm
u have 2 stacks of sd
fickle bluff
no
bitter palm
if thats what u mean
timid chasm
oh right
fickle bluff
yes the sudden death buff stacks to 2
fierce flame
so you would pref SD instead UF? interesting
smoky vale
anything over uf is interesting
fierce flame
my era of playing war everyone aiming for crit rate lol..
now it's like no one wants it
summer idol
So Odyn Fury and Thunderous Roar are now target capped at PTR?
sterile dagger
i actually miss execute phase era in antorus 😢 from last place to first KEKW
edgy widget
Updated bis lists in maxroll/wh guides when 👀
when we get to it maaaan
junior gale
do the thing orange man
edgy widget
no offense, but this is exactly why I don't share things the second it happens, because yall start clamoring for "why isn't xyz updated yet?!"
fickle bluff
build was discovered 50 minutes ago archi i want everything, even the ones you dont edit, updated NOW 
buoyant salmon
no offense, but this is exactly why I don't share things the second it happens, ...
remove the no offense
lettem have it
restive peak
Offense intended
junior gale
full offense
edgy widget
build was discovered 50 minutes ago archi i want everything, even the ones you d...
says the man leaking new tech to the unwashed masses 
but yeah, guides are being updated, slowly but slowly
buoyant salmon
common greggy L
fickle bluff
id been pinged in two different places about independantly discovering your build
bitter palm
cant diss greg like that he crafted pieces for me
fickle bluff
bitter palm
💢
junior gale
hes him hes the guy who shares it all with the world
winter shoal
no offense, but this is exactly why I don't share things the second it happens, ...
I get you I was just pulling your leg but I realize that probably didn't come across in text, my bad king
fierce flame
Unbridled Ferocity
sorry, another question; where do you get sidearm from? my sim result has no this spell
winter shoal
sorry, another question; where do you get sidearm from? my sim result has no thi...
This guy in the middle-left of the class tree
rotund ginkgo
how much yalls sim
fickle bluff
cheater
winter shoal
how much yalls sim
fierce flame
think I was playing with ww build
winter shoal
Aoe build also takes sidearm
fickle bluff
should always be sidearm as slayer
restive peak
Sidearm is BIS
fierce flame
I see, does it generate extra rage?
lean nacelle
it generates damage
fickle bluff
no it just does more damage than buffing whirlwind
fierce flame
cool, 1% dmg is not bad
buoyant salmon
yeah just free damage
restive peak
really have a rage problem
buoyant salmon
archim why raid builds no have bitter immunity bonus defensive for prog much wow i boycott wowhead now gg
fickle bluff
real
restive peak
and true
buoyant salmon
i keep die in raid with bitter immunity more hp
winter shoal
My hands too small for BI, not enough keybinds gg
buoyant salmon
i think bi is a control shift e keybind for me
restive peak
You don't have to bind OF or Ons anymore ez replace GG can't die
winter shoal
You don't have to bind OF or Ons anymore ez replace GG can't die
Real, let me replace my 2 key with BI
alpine haven
no offense, but this is exactly why I don't share things the second it happens, ...
Do we have sims for patch 11.1
restive peak
Real, let me replace my 2 key with BI
Huge bud
hard widget
no offense, but this is exactly why I don't share things the second it happens, ...
But why isnt it updated tho 
Sorry archi :3
formal scaffold
I really wish Fury could self-craft 2-handed weapons for just 1 spark. This is painful. 😄
buoyant salmon
too easily abused by arms
restive peak
It's funny cuz it is updated already 😛
viral jasper
They could make a fury only style of craftable weapon that fills out both slots but can only be used as fury
fierce flame
how is this trinket?
sim doesnt calculate the "gems" I put on somehow
it's like 543/543 haste/mastery
26% uptime for 7.5k+ str
opal spindle
yo guys anyone help me understund what is mean of this Crushing Force now increases Bloodthirst critical strike damage by 5/10% (was critical strike chance by 2/4%). are we geting 1 % more critcal on Crushing force that it or we gonna get 15% bloodthirst dealt damage on top of it ??
fierce flame
well. sometimes in real fight it's like 10% only due to unlucky or forget to pick them up lol
restive peak
It sucks but you can use it for a free upgrade to 484 on trinks by upgrading 1 of your 2 to 484 and buying it
fierce flame
yo guys anyone help me understund what is mean of this Crushing Force now increa...
isn't that just changing the crit rate to cdmg for another 10% on bt?
fickle bluff
yo guys anyone help me understund what is mean of this Crushing Force now increa...
The talent no longer gives BT crit chance, instead it will increase the damage it does when it does crit
bitter palm
xd
winter shoal
Yuge
rotund ginkgo
linc
restive peak
Goes to 832k in the raid AOE talents
rotund ginkgo
what the fuck
winter shoal
Linc I ran some sims on the aoe-ish build we were talking earlier #fury message
rotund ginkgo
probs cuz i just made my trinkies 590
bitter palm
u just craft all pieces
restive peak
I did rep and only did 1 upgrade
bitter palm
ye cause u crafted everything no
restive peak
sent trink to 584 w the nerub 1 for the free upgrade to 2nd like I said earlier
bitter palm
dindt check
restive peak
Then crafted everything at 590
strong zephyr
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eCpB9HF3eJ2NHxSZdxaCxa and i thought i was big 
restive peak
Keep in mind I have gems/enchants at r2 etc
hard widget
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qmtDT4WH5NmoC1swXUcE3z
Bruh how are u 80k ahead
Oh wait, do u have enchants
And stuff
restive peak
I can go higher w double on-use but no thanks
Yeah r2 gems/chants
This is how we're gonna be rolling into heroic cuz servers likely won't be up early enough
hard widget
Yeah i dont have anything enchanted or gemmed xd
opal spindle
Bruh how are u 80k ahead
he is full on everything even emlishment is there both
buoyant salmon
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qmtDT4WH5NmoC1swXUcE3z
drop bolt
for 1 second reflect cd
hard widget
Im simming 800k st without any enchants or embellishments on the old build
spare steppe
You don't have to bind OF or Ons anymore ez replace GG can't die
I love OF
restive peak
Ye once you swap builds and drop chants etc you'll be at the same
willow cradle
Ay Grats on Stormforged @restive peak
restive peak
Ay Grats on Stormforged <@301095302977290241>
Thanks bae
buoyant salmon
This is how we're gonna be rolling into heroic cuz servers likely won't be up ea...
are u guys not ripping all your delves on tuesday
seems kinda waste to enchant rn
hard widget
Ye once you swap builds and drop chants etc you'll be at the same
Ill see when im home
strong zephyr
isnt there only 4 bountiful delves per day
spare steppe
isnt there only 4 bountiful delves per day
Yeah pretty sure
royal sapphire
anyone else missing like crazy with spells and shit
restive peak
are u guys not ripping all your delves on tuesday
We probably won't have time
spare steppe
So we’ll do it over 3 days to fill in spots
buoyant salmon
casuals
restive peak
Servers will be down til like 6/7, if they aren't we'll pivot
restive peak
But also we have 400 of every enchant in gbank so we don't care lol
spare steppe
Servers are always down for so long
hard widget
We probably won't have time
I think it would be worth to actually do delves before raid just to see what item slots are unneeded
hard widget
But then again u guys run 3000 splits
restive peak
We're splitting 8 mains 22 alt/friends, and armor types dont overlap
So it doesn't matter
buoyant salmon
But also we have 400 of every enchant in gbank so we don't care lol
forgot u guys are a real established guild who has done sales
we need sales gold
restive peak
Some chars won't even need to bother w delves
Yeah you guys are gonna be behind on that this tier cuz of being new
spare steppe
I think it would be worth to actually do delves before raid just to see what ite...
Yeah but then I can’t steal gear from the DKs and ret pally
restive peak
The only tier/armor overlaps in our groups are DPS/Heal or DPS/Tank, and Heal/Tank won't take gear unless DPS already got it
buoyant salmon
we will be up big in content tho
restive peak
So it doesn't matter to us
jolly ingot
ye we're splitting with 5 accounts each with 12 chars on each and also we're cooking food for all the homeless in our city as well as playing the game only with our toes and trampolines
restive peak
The shit our leaders did to work this out is wild man, spreadsheets and all that fun shit, glad I didn't have to do it
Nope 13 with all
Gets you all the crests for this gear level
strong zephyr
the knowledge at 12 was big too
strong zephyr
i kinda wanna derank some carved but i cant figure out if thats bad or not
sullen dove
majority 603 delve gear is only 15 crests each for 1 upgrade then youre past that into heroic crest territory
rotund ginkgo
got 10 keys :3
sullen dove
get 4 more next week 
mystic monolith
are there any new raid talents or the ones on wowhead are still good?
restive peak
13 with all really didn't take long
strong zephyr
so you would need 240 carved if u can lock yourself to t8 delve gear in every slot
sullen dove
less about that just all u need to know is you will pmuch never spend your carved crest cap
not even gonna get close
sullen dove
so dont gotta like farm m0's for them lul
hard widget
Ofc minmaxing is worth it bro
sullen dove
tru
jolly ingot
and put minimal effort into gearing
sullen dove
chatting
restive peak
hard widget
“Just be good”
jolly ingot
optimal way of playing
hard widget
Kek
summer quail
Ofc minmaxing is worth it bro
forreal, go mechagnome!
hard widget
forreal, go mechagnome!
No im nelf
rotund ginkgo
im so cofnused
hard widget
M+ > Raid
summer quail
dw ragish, just memeing
jolly ingot
the minmax of life is more important than the minmax ingame
rotund ginkgo
does it go to the pact
or to actually az khajet
cuz im nearly done w all the side quests there
and im only renown 6
but im 4/9 on The Weaver
i keep getting The Weaver reputation tokens
hard widget
the minmax of life is more important than the minmax ingame
There is no class discord for “life” tho, idk how to minmax it, no rotation guide
buoyant salmon
this minmaxing doesnt reslly mayter at all though
jolly ingot
you make the guide yourself
restive peak
You get 1 azj for each of the levels w the 3 bro
So if you get all 3 at once, you'll jump to 9
summer quail
the minmax of life is more important than the minmax ingame
ye but in life you have so many variables and different builds. debuff mental health issues etc
restive peak
forreal, go mechagnome!
This is the min max I refuse to do
rotund ginkgo
You get 1 azj for each of the levels w the 3 bro
so do i need to basically change from the weaver to something else?
how do ia ctually level az khajet
its so ass
lol
restive peak
so do i need to basically change from the weaver to something else?
Nope I did weaver both weeks
It lvls from those 1s
rotund ginkgo
ait
restive peak
When 1 of those hits 2500 Azj goes up
Do the side quests, do the treasures, kill the rares
Do the dailies
summer quail
This is the min max I refuse to do
same. imagine going diaper gnome just coz it sims more. gives irl debuff
restive peak
If you haven't been doing dailies you're behind full stop
That can't be made up in any way
restive peak
Also if you didn't do rares each week you're super behind again
rotund ginkgo
i in fact idd not do rares
sullen dove
behind on what
rotund ginkgo
ill juts ifnish side quests and call it
sullen dove
15 carved crests?
restive peak
Ye it literally will not matter
rotund ginkgo
no its just questing and shit
i wanna finish it
kinda
i just WANNA BE DONE W THIS SHIT
and im
vERY INEFFECTIVE
restive peak
I only did it cuz we have 3 splits and I wasn't gonna be the dickhead showing up 3 crafts behind
rotund ginkgo
w this type of stuff
sudden heath
Is it possible to get Adventurer gear from WQ's yet, or only Explorer?
restive peak
Ok here's the guide are you ready
- Find yellow exclamation marks
- Follow given task
summer quail
You see those yellow exclamation marks ragish? ye just ignore them, they're annoying to do
restive peak
Lmfao
rotund ginkgo
FASTEST RENOWN IN THE WEST
sullen dove
girth
smoky vale
i think with the bug people im rank 4 still 🙂
rotund ginkgo
are "Chants" the best enchanting ones?
sullen dove
@fleet sorrel apparently theres a non cheat way to do cocijo 2 i didnt know about till now
just retried it on wl 9 and killed him b4 he formed his shield
its pretty dumb tho lul
eager thorn
Lore master didn’t take too long
fierce flame
I haven't even done all quests for deeps and dornogal
just hitting threads 12 for all 3 pac
edgy widget
Do we have sims for patch 11.1
yeah, you got NERFED
rotund ginkgo
if the calendar says DMF ends tomorrow does it include tomorrow ?
edgy widget
I really wish Fury could self-craft 2-handed weapons for just 1 spark. This is p...
craft weapon w/ 2 sparks, then craft 590 bracer for no sparks
- the difference between 590 bracer and 636 bracer is like <1%
formal scaffold
Oh, awesome!
modest condor
1200 new messages what in the fuck
restive peak
When you go to craft the purple items (wep/rings/neck/armor), they have a spark slot required
And you use 1 the same way you'd use any other crafting consumable item
covert blaze
1200 new messages what in the fuck
new talent build by the day
restive peak
Yes, so 2hers will require 2
covert blaze
the plot thickens
restive peak
And anything else requires 1
solemn mauve
just gotta do all the side quests
fierce flame
I thnk the BiS list shows 300k secondary stat on tooltip
restive peak
Yeah barring tuning you'll want ascendance
restive peak
You can also recraft to swap the embellish anytime
summer quail
what weapon are we crafting?
wait til mythic week, i wouldn't say anything is safe from tuning before that
restive peak
I mean if you craft the wep and the embellish changes before mythic week, you've only lost gold; not your sparks
But depends on the level you play at
spare steppe
craft weapon w/ 2 sparks, then craft 590 bracer for no sparks
- the difference b...
How far ahead is ascendance over duskweave right now?
fierce flame
I mean if you craft the wep and the embellish changes before mythic week, you've...
how much for it atm?
summer quail
I mean if you craft the wep and the embellish changes before mythic week, you've...
ye but lets say they buff some other embellishment then suddenly it wasn't worth it
restive peak
Unsure, haven't looked at mats
fierce flame
I literally living in slum now
restive peak
I mean a 526/536 wep early will be worth it likely, you'd be 2 weeks from having 2 duskweaves anyway
fierce flame
40k golds is my total money lol
restive peak
And the embellish won't get nerfed to 0%
solemn mauve
prob should use the spark on bracers no?
edgy widget
How far ahead is ascendance over duskweave right now?
about 2% or so
restive peak
If you're an M+er purely, you can just go double duskweave
but also remember, the wep will have HIGH value unless you're going into mythic and will get a wep quick
There are a lot of nuances to it, you'll also continue to get a spark every other week
covert blaze
ghost ping 
restive peak
Like archi said, 590-636 on bracer etc is minimal, but 590 to 636 wep is never minimal
summer quail
😄
spare steppe
If you're an M+er purely, you can just go double duskweave
Yeah I’ll do a lot of m+ but the reality is raid is what is the prio. So probably will end up going weapon
Carries over to arms too
restive peak
By the time we're pushing M+ seriously, you'll have 4 sparks
And can have embellished wep, nerubian weaker offpiece, 2 duskweave main pieces
But you'll need 3 weps
atomic fog
sorry guys but what mats are necessary to craft 590 malleable bands ? I can only order somme 577 with the mats i'm asked at the jeweller
restive peak
Also I'm REALLY not sold that ascendance wep + nerubian won';t be better for M+ overall; its perma tyrann, we still need ST damage
sudden tusk
its very good
median token
is there a time variable where the raid embelishment loses value? Like for a 2 minute boss fight it still is the best?
covert blaze
if you do any sort of prog, not going ascendance is troll imo
if you care about pushing m+ youre not gonna push early on when you don't have sparks anyway right
covert blaze
if you do any sort of prog, not going ascendance is troll imo
(assuming balance doesn't happen ofc)
restive peak
Again, the wep still has HUGE value for several reasons
- Wep damage is bis 2. Free upgrade on 2nd wep (saves crests/stones) 3. It can be recrafted without the embellish, or with w/e 1 takes over, for a small fee
covert blaze
yeah even if you get a mythic weapon fast it's still best offhand like you said
spare steppe
Again, the wep still has HUGE value for several reasons
So you’ll just spam 9s to get the crests to craft it week 2?
restive peak
Yep
I mean we'll also already have 30 crests from Silken/Queen heroic
Cuz they drop the next tier of crests now
spare steppe
Oh what
restive peak
So really it'll only take a few 9s on reset
restive peak
I honestly expect Echo/Liquid/Method to go M+ then heroic splits again to craft those before mythic
restive peak
By the time you'd "regret" making wep 1st, you'll be 4-6 weeks in and have enough sparks to make the offpieces anyway, and we don't want crafted pieces otherwise because it's 3 ilvls lower
empty mirage
i feel like u have to TRY to get that low
restive peak
No, we kill shit so fast some specs can't do their dmg
Heroics are an awful marker for skill/performance
Also fire mage is a tank rn without the tankiness
SP and Fire are paying for the sins of godcomp
spare steppe
i feel like u have to TRY to get that low
The best is doing that to warlocks trying to set up
buoyant salmon
fire and bm both ramp ironically
buoyant salmon
need barbed shots and ignite to tick
covert blaze
I mean we'll also already have 30 crests from Silken/Queen heroic
assuming the bosses are killable for most people
xdd
buoyant salmon
delves, m+, heroic besides last boss, m+, aotc, m+, first few mythic, m+
tardy lark
They go brrrr instantly
unless you're like our boomkin rolled mage that spends better part of 2 days figuring out how he makes the mark thingy pop early on heroic packs
until he actually reads his abilities
danebrain moment
covert blaze
assuming the bosses are killable for most people
by most people i mean the high end reaiders
buoyant salmon
boomkin is the only class in the game that is actually not playable in st bosses rn
eager thorn
Reading is L activity
buoyant salmon
its soooooo bad
restive peak
unless you're like our boomkin rolled mage that spends better part of 2 days fig...
xD
eager thorn
Idk what any of my talents do thats for guide writers to read
tardy lark
boomkins, mages and warlocks deserve all suffering in the world
spare steppe
boomkins, mages and warlocks deserve all suffering in the world
Not warlocks
They give me cookies
They’re exempt from suffering
tardy lark
boomkins and mages deserve all suffering in the world while warlocks just deserve having every step be on a lego
covert blaze
warlock will be buffed on heroic week
spare steppe
Warlocks will end up stupid, it’s what they do
buoyant salmon
devastation (lol)
spare steppe
I wish dev was competitive with Aug
tardy lark
locks will receive a 860% buff to a random spell on the blizzard dart board for warlock buffs
spare steppe
locks will receive a 860% buff to a random spell on the blizzard dart board for ...
Shadowbolt, as tradition dictates
restive peak
I wish dev was competitive with Aug
Delete aug
tardy lark
anything to have all 3 warlock specs be top 5 performers, as is tradition
restive peak
Melee lookin VERY strong so you know the tuning is coming
tardy lark
covert blaze
Delete aug
farover reference
buoyant salmon
anything to have all 3 warlock specs be top 5 performers, as is tradition
hey now its usually only 2/3
covert blaze
Melee lookin VERY strong so you know the tuning is coming
all casters buffed by 20%, parry happens 50% more often
spare steppe
Melee lookin VERY strong so you know the tuning is coming
And yet it’ll still prob be ranged meta for keys
restive peak
Parry now happens from all directions
buoyant salmon
yo btw how the fuck is the last boss in dawnbreaker allowed to parry
spare steppe
all casters buffed by 20%, parry happens 50% more often
You get ridt of that second part, don’t you put that juju on me
restive peak
yo btw how the fuck is the last boss in dawnbreaker allowed to parry
Cuz get fucked melee
tardy lark
hey now its usually only 2/3
aff being dead for 2 years again
buoyant salmon
i hate m+
tardy lark
bro it adds texture to the dungeon
restive peak
ITS ABOUT THE EXPERIENCE FEELING REAL CHOCO, WHEN YOU FIGHT GIGANTIC DRAGON BUGS WITH CLAWS IRL THEY CAN PARRY GET IT TOGETHER GOD
covert blaze
yo btw how the fuck is the last boss in dawnbreaker allowed to parry
cause it's a raid boss technically
that's how it works i think
modest condor
yeah but raid bosses that only allow attacks from the front normally have an exception
and afaik the boss can only be attacked from the front in the raid as well
covert blaze
oversight maybe
iridikron could parry too in dawn
everyone assumed he's gonna be a raid boss in the near future
modest condor
yeah it happens a couple of times every expansion
3rd boss in spires of ascension and last boss in halls of atonement could also parry
covert blaze
iridikron could parry too in dawn
@modest condor i remember you telling me you didnt believe me!!!!
modest condor
i think you're thinking of someone else
covert blaze
nah you said he probably couldnt parry cause it was channeling
buoyant salmon
cause it's a raid boss technically
parry would be fine if you werent forced infront of him
modest condor
oh that's a different thing
buoyant salmon
“fine”
covert blaze
when i talked about the turning the boss before the channel strat
modest condor
the boss isnt channeling for the whole fight
covert blaze
the boss parries while channeling
modest condor
but that's still something else
tardy lark
if bosses can parry when hit facing me, they sure as fuck can dodge a fireball when they see it coming
😠
end inequality
#meleerights
modest condor
yeah
i also explicitly said that iridikron can parry right above that
which is what we were talking about
brittle crow
yellow name > red name
modest condor
that i was wrong about it not being able to parry during the channel is something else
covert blaze
that i was wrong about it not being able to parry during the channel is somethin...
i'm messing with you
covert blaze
parry isnt flavor
the devs think melee is easier cause we dont cast
opaque falcon
What’s the name of weapon enchant
covert blaze
and then design 1000 circle stomps around mobs and frontals
buoyant salmon
it doesnt matter if its easier or not
theres 0 reason for parry to be in the game
its straight up bad outdated design
ESPECIALLY bc CDS can be parried
not only the initial hit, the cd just disappears
no cd debuff no kingsbane debuff
you just get fucked for free
opaque falcon
Nvm found it
covert blaze
it doesnt matter if its easier or not
it does to them from a design philosophy standpoint i think
cause you can perma run circles around the boss dodging everything i guess or something
in their mind
junior gale
ESPECIALLY bc CDS can be parried
I still believe the devs dont even know this is a thing or why its a problem because they dont play their game
buoyant salmon
but youre forced to hit some bosses from the front
fierce flame
ascendance embellish is the one we want?
buoyant salmon
you cant strafe the last boss in dawnbreaker
earnest tiger
its straight up bad outdated design
In the context of current boss designs 100%
They could design bosses so that it’s always possible to not parry through good gameplay, which would be another avenue of skill expression.
But ofc they don’t always so it’s just lame
And then again, if they did people would just complain about melee disadvantage so I guess it’s just bad unless they remove or give an equivalent mechanic to casters also
covert blaze
but youre forced to hit some bosses from the front
those bosses don't have parry usually
ofc those shouldn't, even taking into consideration what i just said
normal hollow
ESPECIALLY bc CDS can be parried
fond memories of getting my c smash parried in MoP
jolly mist
covert blaze
@sullen dove based
sullen dove
honest karma
just getting back into warrior after skipping dragonflight. any warrior youtube vids worth watching for tww?
buoyant salmon
In the context of current boss designs 100%
They could design bosses so that it...
it’s not good skill expression bc the boss can just turn while youre behind
junior gale
^^
sullen dove
"oh my 10mil dmg chaos bolt just resisted"
earnest tiger
Yes with current/recent designs, if they always designed with it in mind so that it was always possible to play around. Is what I mean
But I guess they can’t keep difficulty up with this additional consideration. Nvm delete parry 
lament hinge
well resist was in the game before so would it be that hard to add it back
buoyant salmon
idk why either has to be in the game
buoyant salmon
if a touch of the magic gets resisted, there would be a twit longer about it immediately
buoyant salmon
or your skb gets parried
warm crag
buoyant salmon
or reistsed
slim coral
if a touch of the magic gets resisted, there would be a twit longer about it imm...
Bosses get spell reflect Pog
sudden tusk
found swordish
buoyant salmon
and you just dont get the combustion
sullen dove
found swordish
wtf
buoyant salmon
Bosses get spell reflect Pog
bazed discovere maut
junior gale
Bosses get spell reflect Pog
We need more bosss spell reflect mechanics so we can watch casters kill themselves
slim coral
Was all a blur
buoyant salmon
maut was the third mythic boss in ever did i think
twilight dev oneshot myself
unlucky
slim coral
Hell yeah twilight dev the goat
lament hinge
yeah parry/dodge/block should just be a pvp and tank stat, why even have melee hit chance anymore since we cant increase it but theres talent that during enrage ur auto attacks cant miss
modest condor
the best twilight dev interaction was 3rd boss shrine of the storm
if you got mced and procced a twilight dev it would just 1shot your group
covert blaze
bazed discovere maut
ill never forget one shotting myself with infinite stars
modest condor
and it would be invisible to your group
slim coral
Bro we talk about this atleast once a week but if casters got parried they would be crying
slim coral
if you got mced and procced a twilight dev it would just 1shot your group
Damn that sounds hilarious
spare steppe
They should do a thorns that’s a percentage of their damage
slim coral
Twilight dev owned I miss that shit
We all do
smoky vale
can demolish be parried?
restive granite
i went full stat corruptions back then
junior gale
can demolish be parried?
yes
smoky vale
🙂
slim coral
can demolish be parried?
Anything can I believe
buoyant salmon
the best twilight dev interaction was 3rd boss shrine of the storm
dogshit key doesnt surprise me
slim coral
Idk what can’t
smoky vale
thank god i am not touching arms
buoyant salmon
can demolish be parried?
yes
summer quail
is it looking like 2x authority of the depths for weapons? our guild is doing a shopping list for enchants
buoyant salmon
demolish and colossus smash
slim coral
Demolish is trash anyways
junior gale
WB and Essence Break both aoe abillities that can be parried great game!
buoyant salmon
colossus smash parry isnt as egregious as it was with test of might
but its still grief
summer quail
Demolish is trash anyways
arms is trash anyways* ftfy
buoyant salmon
oh yeah essence break too lmak
spare steppe
Fury with demolish would be fun
buoyant salmon
esp on a class that dashes for damage
smoky vale
i refuse to play arms until i can spam ms and op
slim coral
Fury with demolish would be fun
No
buoyant salmon
kingsbane parry
slim coral
Casting every 30 seconds is far from fun
smoky vale
keep demolish as far from here as possible
junior gale
colossus smash parry isnt as egregious as it was with test of might
do you know if IFTK still goes off with CS parry or nah. I havent had a CS parry yet
slim coral
Think of the damage it would do while enraged
Can’t do damage while dead
warm crag
colossus smash parry isnt as egregious as it was with test of might
i think the funniest part was that you just didnt get reck if it was parried
buoyant salmon
do you know if IFTK still goes off with CS parry or nah. I havent had a CS parry...
i dont know but you didnt get the reck or cs debuff or tom buff from it before
just so criminal
slim coral
There’s way too many frontals for demolish to be enjoyable
junior gale
yeah it was ass
spare steppe
Aw
oblique trail
do you know if IFTK still goes off with CS parry or nah. I havent had a CS parry...
It did not
slim coral
And if there isn’t a frontal there’s area denial
spare steppe
I’ve never tried it tbh
oblique trail
At least in DF it didn't
junior gale
It did not
oblique trail
Very easily noticed it during Iridikron
rotund ginkgo
not sureif this was answered
warm crag
At least in DF it didn't
i thought you were extremely busy?=
spare steppe
What about demolish gave you immunity to physical damage
oblique trail
i thought you were extremely busy?=
I thought you were BOMM
restive granite
not even area denials, having the tank stay still for the duration or the mob not leaping away
rotund ginkgo
since DMF says it "ends" tomorrow, do we STILL HAVE DMF tomorrow and it's gone the day after?
restive granite
it will happen every dungeon at least once
warm crag
What about demolish gave you immunity to physical damage
i would love to be forced to taunt the boss for every single tank hit
rotund ginkgo
or rather after reset at 3am tonight, DMF is gone?
restive granite
and you will get tilted
junior gale
Someone who does an interview with devs really needs to bring this shit up again
slim coral
What about demolish gave you immunity to physical damage
How’s that gonna stop a frontal from clapping your cheeks
junior gale
because Cds being parried is cancer
oblique trail
It's been brought up a billion times
lament hinge
think dmf lasts till monday morning before reset
slim coral
You would need to be fully immune to damage for demolish to feel fun
oblique trail
We can keep asking for it but think you should just accept by now it wont be removed
slim coral
And they can’t do that because pvp
spare steppe
How’s that gonna stop a frontal from clapping your cheeks
Full immunity but can only be cast in melee range?
restive granite
What about demolish gave you immunity to physical damage
that would be the worst idea ever, i can see my RL saying "Ok group 3, warriors use demolish mages block, soak now" fucking kill me now
rotund ginkgo
since DMF says it "ends" tomorrow, do we STILL HAVE DMF tomorrow and it's gone the day after?
or rather after reset at 3am tonight, DMF is gone?
spare steppe
that would be the worst idea ever, i can see my RL saying "Ok group 3, warriors ...
That’s why if you make it only in melee it would reduce the chances of that happening right
junior gale
It's been brought up a billion times
the last time Max asked about it with Morgan it didnt even seem like Morgan understood the whole question. He called it texture but then shrugged off the part where some classes get absolutely fucked by parry
spare steppe
This is why I’m not a dev just ignore shit ideas
slim coral
Blizzard have no real answer for parry
spare steppe
Bring back hit
restive granite
bring back expertise
lament hinge
pls no
buoyant salmon
i think demolish is fine honestly
junior gale
Just gotta keep hitting them with angry parry comments in forums and interviews to get the point across
restive granite
🤮
restive peak
Pretty sure a year from now they'll remove Parry and act like they somehow thought of it as a good idea suddenly
graceful plinth
since DMF says it "ends" tomorrow, do we STILL HAVE DMF tomorrow and it's gone t...
dmf ends saturday 3am pdt
restive peak
i think demolish is fine honestly
It's fine as a dead idea yes
slim coral
i think demolish is fine honestly
Yeah but you’re into that stuff
restive peak
So we never have to play it
buoyant salmon
idk i think it works well with arms
rotund ginkgo
fuck is PDT
restive peak
We hate colossus
buoyant salmon
sure it could be improved by removing crit rng
slim coral
idk i think it works well with arms
Have you tried it
buoyant salmon
but i think its good
slim coral
In keys
junior gale
Pretty sure a year from now they'll remove Parry and act like they somehow thoug...
gonna announce parry being removed as an expansion feature
rotund ginkgo
wowhead says End: 2024/09/08 at 1:59 AM
restive granite
parry and miss serve no purpose in pve
restive peak
gonna announce parry being removed as an expansion feature
Also, because of it, we nerfed all melee by 40%
restive granite
idk why is it still a thing
rotund ginkgo
so in 26 hours?
summer quail
fuck is PDT
pacific daylight time. a timezone
rotund ginkgo
yeah
spare steppe
Like if it didn’t slow you?
graceful plinth
idk dude i just know it ends on saturday
lament hinge
if they added back hit rating and expertise they would need to add back reforging
restive granite
Make it instant
bake it into CS
slim coral
I’ll never enjoy casting idc how much damage the ability does tbh
spare steppe
Give me the Darius execution
marble pilot
Just started trying out slayer today. It slaps. Big numbers and feels good. But man Thane just looks so much better
restive granite
worst is that the mob can just jump away
sullen dove
Plunderstorm lava axe
bitter palm
colossus smash parry isnt as egregious as it was with test of might
dont think u get iftk
or maybe u do
idk
sullen dove
Probably dont
Game sucks
Think demolish could’ve been like an empower spell like evoker has that increases the angle of a cone for its hit area
keen forum
I’m fine if we leave in parry but only if arcane mages arcane surge can get resisted lul
sullen dove
Like charge 1 is a rly thin cone that’s adequate for bosses but u can widen as needed to hit all the mobs in a pack
sudden tusk
Think demolish could’ve been like an empower spell like evoker has that increase...
make arms an empower spec
restive granite
just rework it, the skill is shit
sullen dove
Yea i mean like evoker only has 2 empower spells
restive granite
if you dont crit with it you parse gray
spare steppe
Just make arms able to cast it while moving at full speed with a 40y range
restive granite
everything about demolish is ass
sullen dove
and like sure they’re a caster but I don’t think anyone complains about hitting fire breath or eternity surge
Both are pretty fun abilities
And seeing 8 blue missiles flying towards a pack is cool
spare steppe
And it yell FINISH HIM
spare steppe
I miss archon
mystic monolith
are sims for trinkets accurate? i thought skarmorak shard was supposed to be pre bis?
sullen dove
it’s a lot more powerful on aoe/in burst but also might not sim as high st cuz we kinda comparatively don’t do any damage at this low ilvl
but like when we’re 60 ilvls higher that same amount of mastery would be boosting a lot more damage
fleet haven
I saw arch on twitter said he posted a new bis fury list, why am I too stupid to find it anywhere
sullen dove
can some1 explain culminating blasphemite to em
Isn’t that one of the gems
The like different colored ones buff?
bronze merlin
Seeing different between maxroll and wowhead, one uses onslaught, the other doesn't anyone know which one we are running?
summer quail
can some1 explain culminating blasphemite to em
get benefit for each different colored gem
rotund ginkgo
is it worth?
hard widget
Seeing different between maxroll and wowhead, one uses onslaught, the other doe...
New build without ontslaught supposedly better by 0.7% found today
rotund ginkgo
it says 0.15% critical effect
iunno if that means "critical damage"
like how dwarves makes ur crits deal 1% more dam
sudden tusk
are sims for trinkets accurate? i thought skarmorak shard was supposed to be pre...
saramok is actually no longer bis but its still very good
slim coral
No onslaught or of is going to feel weird in ST
sudden tusk
its more an an aoe trinket
umbral nova
do we use the larynx trinket active on cd
sudden tusk
ya
mystic monolith
saramok is actually no longer bis but its still very good
is there a new list?
sudden tusk
yummers
spare steppe
How complex are these tasks?
slim coral
Along with first trinket from spiddy
slow vapor
You boys even screaming when you play fury? Are you shrieking like an ape? I am and my dps is insane 😎
restive peak
That thing is gonna suck
hard widget
How complex are these tasks?
U gotta solve a sudoku puzzle
slim coral
How complex are these tasks?
More annoying that complex
spiral shell
Best race for warrior? If it even matters
hard widget
Best race for warrior? If it even matters
Depends on m+ or best dps
sullen dove
Isn’t the puzzle thing only flavor text
Almost sure I used it on beta and it did nothing but just give u the stats
slow vapor
Best race for warrior? If it even matters
Tauren cause bigger than everybody and bigger is better
cobalt crypt
New build without ontslaught supposedly better by 0.7% found today
What build would that be?
slim coral
Almost sure I used it on beta and it did nothing but just give u the stats
You get task
From what I saw someone say
restive peak
I think the beta 1 was bugged
summer quail
How complex are these tasks?
only tried it on beta and it's prob changed but all you had to do then was jump. prob bugged
spare steppe
More annoying that complex
What are we talking about
restive peak
But the real 1 makes you like stand in place for a bit and such
spare steppe
Like a pipe puzzle?
slim coral
No
spare steppe
I can jump jumping sounds great
restive peak
Aka could get fucked by a mechanic
hard widget
What build would that be?
Idk if its updated, but if it is then probably wowhead (just check if it doesn have ontslaught selected)
sullen dove
“It’s probably nothing” makes it sound like it just ignored everything that was written before that
slim coral
Almost sure I used it on beta and it did nothing but just give u the stats
This guy has all of them on his channel
All the task
bronze merlin
New build without ontslaught supposedly better by 0.7% found today
Thank you
hard widget
Im gonna enjoy every second of it
Awkward button in st
Atleast it felt awkward with RA
calm ermine
Is there a class/spec that doesnt bis the Ara-Kara trinket?
serene vessel
What one is Ara kara
calm ermine
The passive one
hard widget
Sacbrood
calm ermine
From the spider dg
past pivot
The good one
calm ermine
I was thinking on making a group next week to farm it. But i think everyone bis it...
summer quail
prob gonna get nerfed
don't say that. it's like the only useable passive trinket
no double on use
also would mean we would go for the dawnbreaker trinket and i want to stay away from that place
hard widget
also would mean we would go for the dawnbreaker trinket and i want to stay away ...
I agree with this statement
hard widget
Every 1.5 min trinket is basically passive kekw
Especially with RA
If u do /use 13 or 14 in ur macro u never even have to change a thing zZzZ
sudden tusk
man you get so much rep from rares
desert cloud
man you get so much rep from rares
such a drag to hunt for them
sullen dove
Gonna feel weird to use spear followed by no ons or of
what happened
why double vc and taken sudden death
sudden tusk
no ons
sullen dove
and all the 2point nodes at the button lol
sudden tusk
2x critical
hard widget
why double vc and taken sudden death
More damouche
sudden tusk
attack
sullen dove
sd ragey
sudden tusk
joining and then leaving dungeons
restive peak
joining and then leaving dungeons
Did the same earlier 🫡
latent hedge
joining and then leaving dungeons
YOU ARE DESTROYING WOW HOW ARE DARE YOU 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡 😡
cold gale
Hey guys, question about our preferred Tier offpiece. Maxroll has Black Blood Injectors gloves as our offpiece which makes sense to me with its heavy mastery, however Wowhead & Icy Veins both have the Darkfrost Helmet helm which is vers heavy. The tier helm has high haste where tier gloves have no mastery or haste. Wowhead says it was updated recently but I'm struggling to make sense of this? Any thoughts?
latent hedge
Hey guys, question about our preferred Tier offpiece. Maxroll has Black Blood I...
different apis used for sims but results are close.
rotund ginkgo
ngl loremaster kinda slaps
loremaster set
finished all sidequests and now i can craft another item
yippee
restive peak
Hey guys, question about our preferred Tier offpiece. Maxroll has Black Blood I...
Because stats being our best doesn't mean we ignore all stats and that off stats don't increase in important as we gain stats
past pivot
Thought we were saving loremaster from Larias' guide
rotund ginkgo
ngl id feel bad crafting leg/feet cuz i already made em 584
restive peak
We don't want just haste/mast on every single piece
latent hedge
Thought we were saving loremaster from Larias' guide
all my thads hate larias
normal hollow
"diminishing returns" is the tldr answer
fickle bluff
no its not
restive peak
No it's just that we still need some crit/vers lol
spare steppe
Ahahaha Brann got rolled back to 15
fickle bluff
the effects of all stats will multiply together
restive peak
Cuz you'll start needing them before any "dr"s start
normal hollow
ok so more of a base threshold thing?
spare steppe
They learned from the frogs
restive peak
Yes, kind of
fickle bluff
which is better than having all of 2 stats
latent hedge
Ahahaha Brann got rolled back to 15
this was very much expected once they capped him
restive peak
This is why robot is BIS
normal hollow
ye sure
hard widget
My brann isnt even lvl 10 yet xd
spare steppe
this was very much expected once they capped him
Just happy
I’ve ran too many delves
hard widget
Boring delves man
spare steppe
I want that mount
normal hollow
just to be clear I didn't mean "haste and mastery return less value at X amount"
but the idea is the same either way I suppose
crude gate
Does dracthyr warrior get the mastery buff?
hard widget
Greg, can u link me that sim u send before of ur new build
brittle crow
dracthyr is so fucked
hard widget
Im on my phone cant find it
hard widget
Thanks
restive peak
That's not double dawnthread homie 😛
hard widget
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5gsxmGFnGS58HQtYpEtCxs
Wait didnt u send a 1 target quick sim before?
With the SD / VC change
Or am i mixing u up with linc now
hard widget
Oh yeah i dont mind about that, i was just wondering on the execute useage
rotund ginkgo
That's not double dawnthread homie 😛
no im aware i just didnt finish my train of thought
this brings much joy to me
empty
flawless
not a single exclamation or question mark
brittle crow
not a single exclamation or question mark
quests get hidden on every toon if u do them on any character now right
i was planning on doing loremaster for the other 3 regions by using alts to do every sidequest
storm rune
The rumors always stay on my map and it is infuriating
modest condor
isnt that only if you bought one of those items from the vendor
brittle crow
yes
storm rune
Oh man don't tell me it's some perm buff I can't remove now
brittle crow
just do the rumor
rotund ginkgo
quests get hidden on every toon if u do them on any character now right
i do not know
i got the sojourner
+the loremaster
im happyge
bed now :3
rotund ginkgo
just do the rumor
588 ilvl
gonna grind the rest of the heroics for some shenanigans like enchanting recipes
do some pvp for the nice xmog
brittle crow
im 578 xddddd
rotund ginkgo
rest of the week ill just get alt to 580 for split
normal hollow
the rotfist weapon looks nice too
crude gate
So dracthyr will be bis for keys then by far
modest condor
we have 2 aoe stops already, one of them on a really low cooldown
buoyant salmon
So dracthyr will be bis for keys then by far
theyre 3 minute cd
not really worth on a warrior
brittle crow
30% faster base movespeed is better than the stops
also knockback immunity for any mechanic that applies to, even tho we have charge so thats not a big deal
rotund ginkgo
Dead dps = no dps
How many big mechanics can we meld this szn?
I really want meld to not be a thing tbf
crude gate
Meld is cringe. Mastery plus more stops seems strong, and the movement stuff
gilded pawn
I’m curious how much mastery it’ll give
1% mastery is very different between classes
hard widget
How many big mechanics can we meld this szn?
I mean there are a few
Its more about just not dieing to agro lol
sudden tusk
i see a ton of pvpers complaining about drakthyr
there 0 chance they change anything for those players
past pivot
i see a ton of pvpers complaining about drakthyr
evokers not just dracthyr
frank dawn
Yeh I mean the PvP side of things has some very legitimate stuff to complain about
sudden tusk
i understand the complaint and its gonna make warrior even crazier in pvp
orchid dagger
Knockbacks are worthless when the scalie can just glide out of it
sudden tusk
but i dont see blizzard turning off the ability to glide'
slim coral
Bro pvp does not need to be tuned around
sudden tusk
at the same time PvPers always just go whats best to just something new to learn
past pivot
but i dont see blizzard turning off the ability to glide'
Blizz confirmed that yesterday
pvpers aren't happy unless bitching about something
slim coral
The moment they stop caring about pvp the better
orchid dagger
PvP is always "what dumb PvE thing do we have to deal with this time"
slim coral
For pve that is
fickle bluff
PvP is always "what dumb PvE thing do we have to deal with *this* time"
theres a chat to cry about pvp things in btw
orchid dagger
theres a chat to cry about pvp things in btw
Yeah #fury
past pivot
wrong
Like who really cares about pvp? That and rogues could be removed from the game and NBD
tulip swallow
pvp is cooked
It's barely even the same game, but simultaneously holds back the other 80% of the game
sudden tusk
its a fun game mode, but its balanced around 2v2 or 3v3 in some situations. 1v1s are just dogshit and thats most players interaction with the system
tulip swallow
We could have had spell reflect intervene man, there was a real chance
rotund ginkgo
Its more about just not dieing to agro lol
If that's the case then u can argue that dracthyr can shoo and kite better
Meld resumes aggro once u leave it
So if ur tank is incompetent you'll just die anuwau
covert blaze
Blizz confirmed that yesterday
confirmed what exactly
rotund ginkgo
Meld resumes aggro once u leave it
Or rather meld brings back all the aggro it dropped
So if u dropped x aggro the tank would have to get more than x aggro or they'll still be on u
rotund ginkgo
Meld is cringe. Mastery plus more stops seems strong, and the movement stuff
I mean yes in a vaccum dracthyr is bis in all scenarios
It's just that meld is giga broken in m+ context when there's a wall which is "can I survive a mechanic"
livid lake
The 11.0.5 PTR Pally talent "Faith's Armor" gives armor to the caster not the target, so this wont be anything to worry about for warrior. However Empyreal Ward gives +100% armor to the target, this ends up being a little over 5000 strength (581 ilvl) for 30 sec due to the Warrior talent Armored to the teeth. This is obviously subject to change but as it stands makes Lay on Hands an insanely powerful external CD for Warrior on 11.0.5 PTR.
modest condor
last time they added an ability like that they specifically changed it to not work with armored to the teeth