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how hard has everyone gone on crafted gear
is it worth crafting if we just skip straight to 603 next week
Crafted my weapon, dont feel like it matters that much
do you guys are upgrading the bis trinkets to 593?
i wouldnt waste any epic stones this week
This week once you cap weathered crests youโll have enough for about 15 total 590 crafts unless you spent some upgrading
Itโs fairly easy to do
might as well make T8 delves next week easier
So my plan is to use both heroic dungeon* trinkets the three renown epics and then craft every other slot at 590 before normal raid
Itโs trivial and not necessary but Iโd rather buy the gear then farm heroic dungeons all week
My time is limited to prep for raid
fair enough
How far dps is single minded fury behind titan's grip?
6 million %
is it that bad?
5-10% ish
damn
over 9000%
so why doesn't blizzard increase SMF talent's damage by 10%?
why arent they buffing random talents randomly?
it is so on purpose, TG is meant to be the competive lead pick
holding two 2handers looks goofy and unbalanced
swap the channel above this
But why? And why not balance?
what?
Ther you go
Cause they dont want the world where Fury is the only spec in the game that got to farm out 4 weapons to be optimal. Two of those being twohanders.
why not just mog to two small 2handers
??
(it is the class that uses 2x 1handers)
good point, buit isn't SMF faster?
no
RIP the giant trading post swords
I see
smf being any faster or a different playstyle is a myth
Daily smf talk procced kinda early today
you will notice 0 difference while playing
You get one extra weapon swing every
300 days of /played with SMF
Faster to get benched
Can you buy the DF PvP sets with marks?
It literally is 5% faster movespeed HOLY
no
It does auto attack faster 

Hold up,can you mog 2h weapons into 1h???
same animations, same everything, your autoattacks are faster but you literally dont see autoattack animations unless you afk
Well, SMF do hit faster, with a swing timer of 2.6 vs 3.6, 2.2 for daggers
No
Ok I thought I was being dumb
did they remove the /wink animation and other animations for emotes in the game ? Im pretty sure back in the days you character did the actual animation for some emotes like wink and stuff. does anyone know ?
Yep, winking - whistling, spit, so on - all gone
that is crazy
Well, you can just do /e Igneel winks at you. Wink!
Yeah they also are now preventing me from /spit -ing on bosses
You mean you can't wink at someone?
You mean on storemount owners in TBC?
im talking about the animation
/wink works but your character does not actually wink in the game like waving hands
Oh, that was never a thing - as far I can remember
I don't think the character ever did actually wink?
maybne i remember it wrong i thought it did that back in the days
The only emoted emotes where the ones in /emote list, like train, roar, charge, so on
/train best emote, chuu chuu, chugachuga chuga chug
i dont know about that ๐
faster auto attack right?
okay /hi actually has a waving hands animation. i will just use /hi instead of /wink. problem solved

how do you guys get into or form a M+ sweat group? is there like any special discord or anything?
Add skilled people in your pugs, play with them and their friends
feels like ill have to be a bit more proactive with all the bs augmentation shit going on if i want to get a good season
literally means nothing
This is the best way: Do M+, network as you do so, at a certain rating you will start to reckognise names - as there aint that many.
Rule#1: Dont be weird or annoying
nah i will do some high level pet battles instead
what about the ppl that use that macro "UwU yummy thawks for the foowdies rawr OwO" for food buff, insta ignore even if theyre good?
Very subjective; I am certain some will find it funny or cute no matter the bracket.
Networking a group of like minded and similar skilled players is the best way to have success
Pugging very high end keys is doable but way more hit and miss
ill def try it this season
Hey guys, one question.
Is the diference between RA and AM big?
And you donโt need to have the absolute meta comp
You just need players who are good at their chosen spec/roll
s4 dragonflight scarred me, ive never played a more disgusting season
it was pure misery
S4 was dead, as it wasnt really a season
are you by chance german speaking and looking for /wave ???
Wink = wave, in german somehow?
yes lol
winken is wave in german ye
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yeah wink is that ^ that'd be a hard emote to make
oh
Well, they do have blinking already
Does fury have a decent skill cap or is it all just zug zug?
alright thank you
Zug zug

You zug, then zug some more
Depends on the content you're doing. AM is good for lowish keys, but it's well behind RA in higher keys and raid
theres little to no skill expression left in the game imo, 99% of a good parse is optimal cooldown management
I Can literally do /em and put whatever foul thing i want on there lol.
just no animations
Fury is very easy but there is still a good amount of skill expression imo. If there wasn't then
wouldn't be a thing
tyvm
1 more week... i cannot wait.
Bunch of Winken in the chat
tomorrow we get M0s right?
Nope 1 week
ah shite
nein
i will be honest. slayer feels wonky when it overlaps another animation makes me feel like my ability didnt go off
this launch has been beans
Animation canceling is pretty common with fury, esp as we reach higher haste values
Would happen with thane too
i know. but the slayer one is new so im noticing it much more
i like how they made 4 set brain dead this season its just a natural boost to your rotation
i mean they said this tier was gonna be basic af cause they wanted the first seasons focus to be hero talents
do you also like how it's so weak you might as well not have it?
It's fucking beans
but the tier needs a big buff to be good
they probably will who knows.
I mean everyone's tier is kinda shit but ours is extra shit
im happy its trash that way i wont get tilted when i dont get any piece on my vault
I think brew's is actually pretty good IIRC
i mean this tier is comparable to how bad season 1 df was isnt it?
cause season 1 df was so horrible
df season 1 had annihilator tho
Yeah except df s1 set was at least fun
true. im just saying numbers wise its similar to how poor it is
No 10.0.0 was RA with turbo cringe double CB overcapping, 10.0.5 was AM
i didnt like how season 1 very much becasuse the sustain just wasnt there yet
now when i was throwing hella ravengers it was lit
i will say season 3 was the best tier imo. changed the playstyle just enough to make it feel new
ay atleast wowheads guide for us doesnt say MEDIOCRE multitarget anymore
everytime id see MEDIOCRE id die a little inside
im honestly wondering why they havent made a tier based on onslaught. could be cool to see
how much haste is best cap?
im actually loving onslaught in pvp rn
yeah it feels nice to crit and chunk someone
though i will say in pvp im feeling the pain of mages
hit a poor mage for 1.3m yesterday
so many ways to just hold you down its not even funny
yeah thats why i spec spear for mages.
i dont like running spear imo it doesnt always connect for me
All my homies hate spear
yeah im still getting a feel for fury pvp i did arms pvp only for years
i dont mind spear now that i dont have to stand in it kek
gonna be honest they need to nerf some of the health buffs some classes get for pvp
a caster having 2mil more health than me in full pvp gear is insane
maybe 1.5 mil but still
yeah idk dude i cant 1v1 a warlock rn full burst and they just laugh it off.
any other class i can hurt.
yeah pvp is borked overall atm imo. they need to work on it overall
its mostly just scaling issues
hotfixes and tuning is sure to come.
with talents going crazy cause of the higher numbers
yeah im hoping to see more tweaking before the real pvp season gets in full swing
thankfully i think the glad set looks like booty
but the conq set is nice
yeah first season isnt too asthetically pleasing.
i like raid set. but the weapons are kinda eh.
i honestly feel like blizz dropped the ball on making nerubian themed sets for season one for most classes
like we could have gotten a scarab style set like the hulking nerubians
yeah ive got enough mountain gear give me NERUBIAN gear. i want spiders crawling outta my shoulderplates or sum
what would be even cooler would be a plate set of earthen gear thats covered in spider webs and nests with little spiders running over it
can we transmog 1h swords ?
you can tmog 1h to 1h but not 1h to 2h and reverse
no?
i constantly come up with themed ideas for tiers that they dont do. just cause i like to hurt myself with the possibilities they leave on the cutting room floor
yep i believe it. but who know we could get a second chance usually better looking gear comes in later patches
real, funny too how none of the weapons or anything fit with the sets either
even legion s1 i was kinda underimpressed but then it was all amazing.
thats the big thing, i dont mind they dont fit. but i would have enjoyed an overall theme for the sets at least
me personally i woulda been alright if they woulda gave me a big ass spider two hand sword.
no big swords :/
at least we will most likely get ethereal tier for season 2
going off datamines
maybe i can finally live the dream of playing as an ethereal
my dream is to be a murloc
just mrgrlglglll and happiness
its quite funny a flash game actually lured me into wow as a kid. it was a flash game about a wow murloc named murk.
then i found out it was apart of a much much bigger game. been hooked ever sense
since**
ever since i started the game in bc ive wanted to be able to play ethereal. just always thought the idea of energy held together by magic cloth wraps was cool af
murlocs are also cool though. also nagas are cool af
anyone know if there is a shadowmeld reminder WA?
yeah a fish person playable race would be cool
jinyu
is probably what wed get tho
what do you want it to do
there was a wa that would tell u when to shadowmeld on certain abilitys like in NOK last boss if u got spear u can shadowmeld it
it will tell u to *
might just not be any public ones yet since the season hasnt started
What will happen if SMF is buffed to do much more damage than Titan's grip?
then we'll play smf
that's crazy
We would 100% just play smf in that scenario lol
smf? I could finally transmog maces without them looking like crap on my back
one can dream
me when i actively wish for my gearing process to become 100% worse
So, has anyone else noticed a delay in damage numbers when playing fury?
Never gonna happen
so more realistic?
name checks out :p
i need my haste back i feels so slow
lol
and guess which hero talent tree I'm going?
Me when I laugh at pve players while buying smf 1hs
Ez
same tree I did no doubt!
maybe I should just craft myself some r5 1h swords until T8 delves open next week
ah yes, realism in the game with demons dragons magic that destroys the world
how behind is smf
Like 5%
not bad not bad
It's not as bad as clicking Thane, but still trash
smf is vile
more than 5% in aoe
and gnomes
would save me some gold since i can just craft my weapons too ๐ค
those are cool, holding giant two handers in each hand looks goofy and unbalanced
Why does blizzard put in so much thought and effort into this talent, but it always underperforms?
to appeal to players like you. they do not want it to be as good
Because if they just remove it people will shit in Blizzard's home office
now, I could always xmog the 2h to a smaller one, but those are far and few
so it exists as a compromise
but why though man
Because fuck the longstanding players
why does titan's grip need to be better than SMF?
just let us transmog 1 handers on two handers, it doesnt even need to change anything speed wise. just models
i mean that cant be that hard :|
I understand dual wielding 2handers is what makes fury unique
FDK also doesn't have this problem
One thing I always disliked from an rp perspective. How tf can a spec wielding one 2h(arms) be better than two 2h?!?
oh wtf smf is a talent
was it in WoD that smf gave extra execute damage? or am i going senile
Zug zug logic says more is better
Yeah they made it a forced opt-in during DF
so what do I remove if I wanna do smf
No weapon swapping for SMF buff
vicious contempt?
Your foot as you blow it off with a shotgun
Welcome to SMF
so garbo
fuck that then
i wonder if crafting is going to go up next week when T8 delves release or down
You have more leverage holding with two hands. Try swinging an axe from home depot with one hand, and then your left hand, and see how much weaker it is
cause I know for me I'm going to use all my keys and then spot fill with crafts before raid
That's why lumber jacks use a single 2h when cutting down trees, they do more damage than dual wielding two 2hs
Is that why lol
Why don't they use 2 hatchets
2h chainsword
cause SMF is weak
who remembers the first day titan's grip was released
gods it was so hit or miss back then
literally
Shit most 1h swords are bigger than what a 2h sword needs to be
if they make 1h moggable on 2hs then I might actually go through the effort for thunderfury
yeah it takes a while
LOL
I found 7 left bindings before I ever got the right one
I got one binding in vanilla
You should farm zaqul shoulders
nothing pisses me off more than getting dazed for like 20 seconds during the KT fight
My Saturday morning was basically breakfast -> shower -> Kara farm
jesus
Think I'm converting back to fury this season. Arms feel too clunky.
Yo link the mog HOLY
Change ur mog
two types of people...
It's a set
lol
i also learned the hard way that if you log your character out inside the raid, when reet week hits you get ported to org and not right outside the raid
I think that's one of the 12 month tading post sets
It's at ur hearthstone
Put ur HS near
yeah I had some dudes in area52
heh the tooltip says its the best option
maybe I'll go back once I'm bored of playing alts
bro got that titan's grip 
Guys, one question, why does Rampage always activate Enrage? I can't find the talent or passive ability that says it?
I wanna play that 15% haste talent instead of the 15% dmg one in mm+

Tooltip
rampage says "enrages you"
AHH got it
thx
Another question
Is this 8 seconds added if I use the toher ability?
So 16 seconds from Recklessness, + 8 from this talent if I cast Avatar aloing with it?
Ye
Even if you use one after the other it extends
nothing beats macro'ing avatar + reck + roar
probably not the best thing to do but I'm lazy
Ur right
It's not good to do
Cuz you cant use unenraged reck like that
Or reck charge
but it goes enraged because of odyns
You dont run that on st
oh i haven't even tried ST yet
since we've only done dungeons
I'll try out ST on raid night 
S1, Q, E, R, F... No macro for all that but that is how it goes down.
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i embody this meme every dungeon I go into
I don't let it rip every pack. lol
Hi guys :3
oh, hi
Meowdy everybunny
:3
unless it's M+ and I have a reason to hold
lets go! leggies for the Leggos!
So am I following the priority right? It seems like this is the core of the rotation that I'm always doing:
That is pretty much it.
u talking to me?
yes.
:3
thanks
Can I get my own role and color
Stream
Can someone tell me when do I ever get to #7 and beyond in the rotation? It seems like the priority is always up from #1 to #6?
๐ฆ i got ignored by ragish
If you run out of RB charges basically
Which is relatively rare
wait, why doesn't the rotation tell me to use raging blow when not enraged?
Ok, I'll stream Warhammer 3 in here
Because being enraged is important
ok
I've gotten to 7 down in the rotation before
i've tried just skipping #6 and it feels worse
Wait am I reading 6 correct?
We raging blow if we're less than 110 rage? Huh
Can someone explain that prio
I'm so confused
Sims better
I just do rampage>cb>bb>rampage
Can milk ur enrage more
Is that wrong lmao?
I think it's to gain rage, and avoid rage cap
Better to use an RB charge before ramp if it won't overcap you or drop enrage
yeah better to dump rage
that's why tmy did more dam than me
Hello, I would like to ask which site is worth using when it comes to build furrry, Icy veins or wowhead because the builds are different from each other
Surely
real
Wowhead
tyvm
I think its just common sense, you're not wasting a global or rage so might aswell get your modifiers
Unless the target is almost dead but again that won't make a huge diff what you press
We are going mountain or slayer btw ?
Slayer
So is there a difference between the crafted 2 hand sword and the axes that I'm not seeing? See the guide show the sword as bis so just curious
No
Ok so where does the execute fit in the rotation cuz am lost
Just cosmetic
what is meant by "Avatar to trigger Odyns Fury" ?
I love Mountain Thane for dungeons but Slayer for Single Target.
It's very much not common sensable as it depends on tuning each tier
Avatar triggers of and vice versa
Waaaaait, m0s are gonna reset daily?
Yes 56 dungeons per week. Mandatory or ur kicked from the guild
I've mained arms since Draenor, and fury feels so strange to me... it's backwards, abilities generate rage instead of consume
goes against my instinct
wait what m0's are out????
in NA yeah they just had their weekly reset
hell yeah im na
So, this week is basically a wash? Nothing new? Lol
they meant next week
Thereโs nothing this week
there is not. another boring ass week
Thatโs insane to me
oh wow. i thought it was this week. ๐ฆ
wtf greg
play some alts
im actually sad
dunno about that bro. It's like week 2
warband goated
its been like this every wow expac for years
wish i could play alts. barely got time for my main. ๐ฆ
2 weeks of chill lvling
I have all my toons to 80 and all 580+, guess Iโll just binge watch supernatural till next week xD
tbh I was ready for m0 during early access so
imagine paying extra to be upset about a reasonable ramp time.
ye, start of expansion is always boring, atleast for someone like me that don't care about the story or questing
these 2 weeks are all about professions to me
probably should've done profs during EA for the crazy gold
Imagine paying extra and there be a week long drought of content with a new xpac lol
solution, dont pay to be early
Solution, even without paying to be earlyโฆstill a week long drought.
It's not a "week long drought" you just rushed through everything available knowing the timeline ahead of time
Really started a war in here huh
nah, this is warrior discord, we're always arguing
Uhm, how fast you do or donโt do content doesnโt negate we get nothing the 2nd week of an xpac XD
man i got trolled hard
m+ withdrawal is a real condition
Yes and that was a good and correct decision for the overwhelming majority of the playerbase
I'm shaking
Statistics to back that up? Or just yapping?
cant they just spam heroics to get a slight buzz?
Heroics = 0 dope
this feels like the whole mop remix fight all over again
heroics are cake
i love you all.
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a large % of the playerbase isn't even 80, but sure ask for statistics about people being out of content
0 dope heroics? RIP. those poor addicts
its like smoking Tabaco when your addicted to meth
how is a large % still not 80
Love to see the stats on levels currently too
because they don't play the game like you
they're reading quest dialogue
DcS youโre just yapping lol
anyone in here is already better than MOST people in the game.... solely because you sought out a place to learn about your class... even if you are just trolling.
I mean you don't understand how casual players play
casual players are going to take 10+ hours easily to get to 80 and al ot of them are playing 30 mins an ight
Dude, you just canโt stop talking out your butt can you?
and not everyday
this is fun
you're right 99% of the playerbase is running M0s every day nmext week
im insanely casual and i already have nothing to do
you're a genius
Youโre talking a lot but showing no proof of what youโre sayingโฆ
who spends 15 dollars a month and 60 dollar ecpacks just to play 30 mins a day
did you see that your trolling log out DID cause a video?
really does remind me of the mop remix fight
This dude is trolling lol
I am a casual player , dad of 2 , work full time . I got to 80 the first night just questing and doing delves, ilvl 575. Play a few hours a night . There is nothing to do
im using this week to pick up spider chicks in azj-khajet
You played 6 hours in 1 night. you are by definition not casual
i never said 1 night
are you ME?! get out of my house
Yeah, because people donโt have time off, time to their hobbies, etc lol
I am the definition of casual lmao . How can I play any less than I already do
Do you have kids Volvo?
and thats with reading the lore too
Then how would you know the care they need and at what age?
A lot of assumptions being made here lmao
I raid CE and M+ .1% with 2-3 hours a day
What are we getting at with this?
Dafflyction popped CDs rn, that's the only expalanation of why he's going SO hard.
the same way you're assuming his kids are young and need 24/7 attention
This isnโt even me going hard, Iโm dumbing it down xD
I didnโt assume anything lol
Kids are 1 and 4
didnt even read my name SMH
Took about 6 hours to 80
And pray tell us, those casuals that play 20 minutes every blue moon, have 5 jobs and 7 wives, don't do mythic+ or even normal raids. How does it affect them to delay mythic+ by 3 weeks
False
But youโre not โcasualโ
thats what I said earlier
Totally and utterly not true lol
I can be in here and still be a moderate casual haha
it's so obviously true that its nonsense to even pretend otherwise
i don't think you've ever seen casual players
Iโm talking to you arenโt I?
No m0 this week is insane
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casual palyers don't even know class discords exist
omg, quick use a Luffa to stop the bleeding
False
well m+ is prolly gonna feel weird too. since they changed it a little bit
and my favourite movement button is S
Casual players r pet battle world quest enjoyers
thing prolly arent gonna die as fast as you think they are
They see one of those pop up on the map and go LETSFUCKKNGGOOOOOOO
LOL
Sweet, Iโm casual lol

Pokemon and vibe quests, love it
i find delves to be perfect for casuals
lmao pokemon
any mole people in the chat?
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i cant do pet battles man, i just cant do it. I CANT I SAY
you get ur ass kicked too much?
yes
same

Id load up a Nintendo to play pokemon
Regardless of it all, a blank week at the beginning of an xpac is idiotic to me, but oh well, canโt fix it lol
Better experience
thats what im talking about right there
i can't remember when, but I swear there was a time where they really tried to push pet battles and I was 'forced' to do some
now those are real battles 
wanted to kms
im about to go buy a ps2 and make a retro game stand
Shoot wasnโt pet battles pushed in like Cata? Idr honestly
isnt it crazy ps2 was relevent when wow was
i don't see a reason i would ever do it lol so you might be right daffy
Cuz youโd get those max level pet stones and then sell the pets and make bank.
we are all playing a ps2 game on pc
You could get 1 25 boost per toon, and garrison gold farming was huge lol
Damn legion was so long ago
Oprah rich expansion
legion was 8 years ago
Feels older ngl
i asked earlier if anyone remembered the day titan's grip came out and no one replied
maybe I'm just a boomer
Cant even make fun of legion babies anymore
Yea it was the day bc dropped wasnt it?
I hated and loved Legion. Legendaries we're awesome...but the grind for them...disgusting
Legion legendaries are the reason I fucking hated legion for a long time
Ahhh mannoroth bracers
I was a fan of artifact weapons also
I liked artifact weapons a lot. Anything that makes it easier to gear xD
Being locked at 4 legs without blizzard telling you
Bad luck protection being bugged and the longer you played the less chance you had to drop 1
Iโd happily welcome back artifact weapon
No thank you
I dont think ap does Anything aside from making me not want to play the game
nah it came out in wotlk
and it was so underwhelming lmao
i was so damn excited for it, who tf doesn't wanna wear 2 huge 2hs
It was only disliked because people could no life spam the hell out of it witch caused limited play time players to be perm โbehindโ
the penalty on it was so damn high all I saw was miss/dodge/parry
ended 6 years ago. that counts as 6 in my eyes, great way to not feel as old
I mean yeah thats the worst of why ap sucks
but you remember it launching dont you
But what does it bring to the game
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Bring back trinkets that actually did a damn shit instead of the clown fiesta we got now. Hellfire citadel trinkets were so spicy (Prophecy of Fear, Mirror of the Blademaster, Soul Capacitator, Empty Drinking Horn, Discordant Chorus), best raid ever. Good trinkets are the best version of borrowed power imo.
I want a permanent trinket that has a 1:30CD that increases the damage of all abilities by 30%
Ever green trinket
hi guys quick nab question: are the 577 darkmoon decks any good for the first week until you get something else or are hc bis trinkets better?
imagine a strength version of soul capacitator, with our burst we could time some spicy damage windows
omgg that would be so cool
I member the lei Shen trink they gave you 100 percent crit for 4 secs.
Snapshotting dot classes ate good from that
there was a video of a naked demo lock that sniped doom and tripled the damage of everyone else with that
Short silly video showcasing the current Affliction imbalance with procs in a weird way, naked troll here we go! 4,5% hit, 200 item level, 2x trinkets, cloak, head+meta gem and non-stat gloves with Engineering on them equipped.
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In hindsight, balance in mop was nuts.
Prot paladins being gods. Fire mages being gods at the start. Vengeance scaling being fucked. Trinks like that. The entire existence of warlocks. Monks getting reworked every reset
miss sparkuggz, best warlock ever
oh shit it was affliction
I haven't heard sparkuggz in a while
Iirc monks needed an entire rework to their mastery because of that one trink that brought all your secondaries up to your highest one. They'd just wait for procs and then send tiger eye brew and do a trillion dps
Snutz is the cool warlock name I remember
feral was nuts with that one
Tru yeah
Who was one shotting 40 people in orgrimmar as lock in bfa
I'm I supposed to prioritise consuming CB and BB while enraged over not overcapping rage?
see how everyone remembers the tiers with good and interesting loot
now shit is boring af
Correct
Nah i member good raid
ill never forget abberus
Hfc was good raid though
such a polarizing raid
have super super good bosses with arguably the worst boss ever
good times
Giev siege of orgrimmar trinkets pls
Is it just me that is doing more ST dps on the dummies with the Mythic + spec than the Raid one?!
Ty
fun and meaningful item!
Probably won't be a huge difference between them on dummies since the talents you change are VC and AJ afaik
And dummies won't really be in execute range
Also spear vs roar but that difference isn't very big
Also make sure you aren't accidentally cleaving your OF or roar onto a second dummy
yeah makes sense, Not a big sample size either and Im more familiar with the AoE talents and prio so maybe just play it better too and need to just practise the ST rotation more
There's very very little difference between the two tbh, shouldn't take much practice to get the ST flow ironed out
Top parsers don't want you to know this one weird trick to improve your dps
What? TIL
My king gajeel would never
Def not getting an extended execute phase artificially
Anyone else having different trinkets ranked higher in sims than our bis list?
shit ilvl means damage trinkets are better
Might have something to do with current gear levels
ah good points
Does culling cyclone work as intended ? Tested it several times on cleave dummies and it did almost equal to or randomly sometimes less total blade storm damage than just having brutal finish
yes, chance is per target
Like how tanks value flat DMG trinks a lot because they don't get as much value from steroids
so it's big in aoe
it does as it says but its worded confusingly
lets say BS does 100 damage
in ST thats 100+20
but on 5 targets its 100*5+20
So it's basically main target only , it's worded like it effects each hit across all targets
yeah, brutal finish is better for aoe
Roger
am i dumb or did they nerf BS from uncapped to less dmg after 8 targets?
most likely, was talking to a friend about war yesterday and showed him the tooltips
today its less dmg beyond 8 targets
only roar was uncapped for us before, not anymore tho. if you want to be pedantic shockwave is uncapped
Mah shockwave parse
real
cant believe they removed sonic boom
but i do not miss people asking if there was a sonic boom build for dps in s1
Please dont' yell at me if this has been talked about, but is the two handed sword still the first thingi should craft?
Yes but not with a spark
what stats should i put on all my crafted gear, just mastery + haste?
doesn't it have to be crafted with 2 sparks?
charged claymore?
That would mean we can craft it next week innit
how well does hekili take into account the nuance of fury rotation?
am I trolling myself by using it?
so is that to say, it is phenomenal?
Hekili is training wheels
Good for learning a class or spec. But after a while, it can hold you back from mastering the nuances. And doesnโt build muscle memory per se.
Correct so you craft it at heroic item level during heroic week once you have enough of those crests
Well, you craft it as high of item level as you can anyway
can't wait to be able to make my own charged claymore
oh baby
ascension embellishment still BIS right?
according the faq, yes, by about a half percent
yeah but i wouldn't craft til mythic week. never know if something will change
^
whats the talent meta rn for aoe??
I'm also personally kind of leaning toward Symbiosis. Seems a lot easier to get value from in M+ for the minor loss in raids
Im new to fury after having to DPS more for my new guild. I quickly tried Hekili but wasnt a massive fan. It never seemed to suggest execute whereas the prio guid eon wowhead says its fairly high prio to ensure the buff stays up?
Waiting for heroic week tuning is definitely a great option
maxroll
Why do the wowhead guides not have Sudden Death talented? The discord does. The guide even says to use Execute to keep up Ashen Juggernaut, which is confusing since they can't use Execute until the targets health drops to 20%.
sudden death isnt very good
im a poe main i cant take maxroll srsly 50% of their builds are straight up bait or a stolen guides
sudden death procs arent related/buffed by slayer
maxroll for wow is much mire different
I don't think that talent is very good
I mean they're written by the echo people so I think at least their talent builds can be trusted
oh didnt know that, ill check it out
Also the maxroll poe guides aren't even that bad
They're just made for a newer audience
yeah i guess you could say that
I think the way I said that was a bit confusing. The guide is written as if the talent is being used, but it's not. I was so confused I went and found this discord to ask about it.
I'm coming back to the game for TWW.
Revvez's preseason guide had both the nodes under anger management talented in ST. So I steered clear. Looked like some ai generated shit. Stuck with woehead
I'm glad to hear it's not a great talent
Imminent Demise in the slayer tree gives the Sudden Death effect regardless of whether you have the literal Sudden Death talent allocated
You played yourself then bc the AM build was way fucking better if you didn't have s3 gear
Like 10-20% better
boys i bought the mount
there goes all my gold
Oh shit, I must of overlooked that. This is the info I needed! Thank you!
I had 2p2p. And no shot you ran 6% chance for recklessness
No with AM you ran DoI if I remember correctly
Because WnF was bugged
Me when I don't apply any context that is present in the text of the guide
I love AM build... but I think reck abandon is stronger
I missed most of the tea about the maxroll guides being chatgpt but like you can't really chatgpt a talent tree
There was a massive fuss about maxroll and echos builds, most of their builds were not actually done by them, pretty sure they were just copy and pasted from other sources
At the moment yes RA is better for most content
Idk I didn't see the AM build in any other guides until maxroll posted it, and it was substantially better for me with 4pc s4 set than RA was
Seems like a Revvez original cook to me
Didn't find any pinned messages. Is there any 490 item to craft that is better than regular big ilvl slot?
U still wearing DF gears?
This was for prepatch
490 or 590?
590* mb
You should be able to craft 590 gear in basically every slot with the crests you get this week, but tbh it won't matter much
Is there race sims at all? Wanna see how much I get shafted going belf to earth dwarf
Yes you can sim races or you can check one of the guides
I think Maxroll shows race sims
Alliance 
Ahh was looking at bloodmallet but was nothing there
.1% dps boost or huge utility option
@smoky plover if you can afford it, it's probably a good idea to craft a 590 weapon and jewelry at least, technically it's better to craft 590 in other slots too bc it saves you crests and the time to farm valorstones, but it'll all get replaced in a week anyways so don't worry too much about it. Definitely farm your skarmorak shard and sacbrood trinkets and upgrade those to 590 with crests though
I did 590 wep since thatโs like our biggest boost
But itโll get replaced very early so I donโt think itโs much of a boost tbh
Weapon also good bc it lets you upgrade your offhand for half the valorstones
Tbh the biggest gain is just saving yourself the time from farming valorstones
Weathered crests will be irrelevant starting next week
Good luck finding armorsmiths specialized in enough slots to do full plate setup
True, hence not worrying too much about it
I crafted 8 items.. those of course will be replaced in the first and second weeks of season 1.
Crafting should also be a little cheaper this week btw since crafters will have more KP to guarantee quality
ilvl 585 BABBBYYYY
Was only tipping 2k before so
cant be that much cheaper
Yeah they were pretty cheap already when I did them end of last week
I paid 10k for weapon and 5k for others
everyone in trade chat on my server asks like 10k minimum :/
Yall got greedy servers i always find people who dont even mention a fee
Can make like 75k an hour just from herbing/mining though so that's like 10 mins of farming
To save an hour of farming valorstones
can you? i got 30k from 1h earlier
Ya i was gonna say 30k more like it lol
Unless you are consistently gettting rank 3 shit somehow
Would changing to Earthen be good for fury?
Spec optimally
Changing to Dracthyr better
worth, thing looks fuggin cool.
Would not being able to consume main stat food be a massive dps loss?
thats like 15$ per hour
you can still use Whetstone, but no food
I mean ya not everyone has 120 points of knowledge tho
the racial is really nice though
@eager thorn @viral jasper this is the route I've been using, 72k gph according to worthit (report is from 90 mins of farming so divide by 1.5 for hourly gather rate)
I have shitty r2 tools and not full KP btw
:3
man gathering is just so boring for me
not sure if you're running lootappraiser but it's pretty dope
i could be sitting in my office instead of gathering
What is rank 3 bismuth selling for
I like Worthit a lot more, also lootappraiser was shitting out hella lua errors for me
Idk like 250-300?
ah, forgot to mention LA is dead
someone picked it up though and it's called lootappraiser reloaded
Forget that ill just make a few wow tokens an hour at a real job ๐
botting already?
it's why I can't do gathering profs
I get the gold is good, but it's hard not to just make the comparison when the token exists
Quick question are we macroing Reckless Avatar and spear together for our opener for ST?
at least other profs can be kinda fun
I mean yeah that's the objectively correct thing to do, but you can gather while in queue or whatever, not like there's anything better to do rn
When I play 2-3 hours a day there is no way Iโm spending it gathering
I say blizzard get rid of these field farming shit... it's going to be dominated by botters within a month
botters from venezuela, indonesia, india, china...
im against rmt even if it's through official blizzard
I finished my heroic stuff and pvp stuff i been playing noita instead
If wow token didnโt exist yeah Iโd have to farm
But since it exist Iโm totally taking advantage
u gonna have to compete against botters... it's not worth it
Are their any Earthen warrior sim comparisons yet? I race changed and didn't realize you can't consume main stat food
oof
wym you race changed the quesat isnt open
im sure someone has done them but not me because i dont care about race sims
I finished it before they took it down
you terrorist
watch his character get deleted for not being a race that's been released yet
what is their racial armor again?
I just need to figure out if this race isn't viable for mythic
Any race is viable?
Itโs behind mechagnome and void elf if thatโs what youโre wondering
Titan-Wrought Frame - Base armour from equipped items increased by 10%
Race is not that impactful
enjoy yourrocks dude
Lmao
dont you eat gems?
but I look so cool
isnt that what they got instead?
you what
oo oo what is their /joke?
Youโll be able to glamour into an earthen and still eat main stat food.
Guy's just looking over the ST rotation and it has relentless and avatar to be used at the same timei assumed we still popped reckless charged then popped avatar etc
When I consume the 3 stack of Marked of Execution, is it a good idea to send my cds and max my dps in the next 20 seconds ?
like 47k/h on my server but still like 20k better than aimlessly flying around so will copy this ty
I get the perfect null stone node this week I think so should help a lot
Based and true Ragish
it's time to play the gaaaaaaaame
Has anyone crafted with Spark of Omens yet?
yeah i thought holding would be best, just seen some warriors with wrists
we now can add sockets with jc stuff to rings and necks, or am I tripping
and neck has 3 still?
dumb question, but is it 4 public crafting orders/week or do they recharge slowly
They recharge slowly
ty
Very slowโฆ
does recrafting gear use an extra crest?
i was wondering if there's really any negatives to crafting public orders, like should I feel bad if I can't craft their stuff at r5 or something
neck and rings have a max of 2
@sick jungle if they are serious about their crafted gear they would look for a crafter that can R5 it, but thats my opinion
How far behind are we from DK Frost?
Do you think that with the tier we will be a little closer?
No
Doesnt really matter tbh
no
ty
our tier is nonexistant
xD
Can anyone explain to me why my fury warrior is laggin hard in dungeons? Dont happen on other chars ๐ฆ
Afenar
Input lag or what exactly are we talking about?
did afenar stop making his wa
Ye
or is it under EX afenar now
Feels like a diasshow
afenar was goated
True
not a fan of luxthos but maybe i'm just bad
Dont like the layout, but thats personal opinion
i swapped to luxthos after i saw afenars wasn't updated. i just downsized the luxthos one and it's whatever
Fellas it was like a 50k dps difference for me whether I got a lucky BS cdr to align with my ava/spear vs not
Am I about to despair about my slayer strike rng all patch
i think so my friend
Sprinkle a little rng on for flavor
Does anyone know if these trinkets for mythic+ are gonna hold up in higher keys? I feel like a lot of the benefit of skar.'s shard from stonevault won't be too big considering a lot of enemies are going to have a ton of health
Okay confirmed, Afenars WA did brick my game
it will probably still be better than mark of khardros since the difference between the on use is so minor to begin with
What WA pack does ppl here use? any rec?
Tmy WA bis
gotta pay to use naowhs right
Yeah or give him your prime sub
like a patreon thing?
Kakhan
Quazzi does WA suites and his are free
quazzi pretty cool
I have a question regarding fury execute .. in the wowhead guide execute is all about ashen jugernaut .. on maxroll its about 3 execution marks.. (reckless abandon) whats the real thing? ๐
those arent apposing points

you will build AJ naturally while using execute from marked for execution
do we even need to track the 3 marks?
you dont have to
ahh, ya i missread the thing ty ๐
In single target the 3x MfE and ImmDem are basically the same thing, but MfE is still kind of worth tracking for AoE to get the BS cdr, no?
Guys for our ST opener for raids is it best to have Recklessness, Avatar and spear all on one macro? I was under the impression we pop recklessness then charge and pop avatar and spear
i would track mfe yeah
it's technically better not to use a macro...
Why is that the ST part of the guide says to pop recklessness and avatar simultaneously
anyone else have a bug where they cant use Rampage in ara-kara?
Never heard of that one before


