#fury

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storm rune
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I really hope we don't have to use the onslaught build too much

lean vortex
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Seems like a lot are cleave

proud crown
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I also have not looked at any raid fight

storm rune
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Same, and I'm the Raid Lead

restive peak
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There are 2 ST fights

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In the entire raid

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You will use OS for those 2 only

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Literally the entire season, it's those 2 fights lol

worn walrus
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i'm surprised thane isn't more popular with that in mind, but i guess the numbers just arent there

glad coyote
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i still wont us OS for those fights

proud crown
storm rune
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We're letting Prot have thane

proud crown
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a lot

glad coyote
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prot warrior dmg is insane tbh

worn walrus
# proud crown I like spinning

i'm so the opposite, the biggest appeal to me is being able to have thunderclap just be its own part of the rotation vs hit this button so your other abilities do stuff

glad coyote
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i wouldn't find thane if we can get red and TC spreads the dot

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rend*

misty frost
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Is the damage gap between slayer and mountain thane that significant?

glad coyote
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no idea

restive peak
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I mean you won't kill or not kill based on OS vs OF, if you don't care about parsing/min maxing/aren't HOF pushing, you can run OF all season and be fine

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Just know the fury warrs who do run OS/STbuild will likely beat you, but parses are a meme anyway

glad coyote
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i dont care about raid parses just m+

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but the fact is they make me raid to certain pieces of gear

storm rune
restive peak
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Yeah you will NEVER run OS in M+ barring some tuning changes

proud crown
coarse nest
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Well technically you could never raid and eventually get tierset from the catalyst

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But combining raid and M+ is the quickest way to max ilvl

restive peak
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Yeah there are zero required raid items, there's no leggo/ashkandur/augury equivalent

fading sky
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yeah u wil be fine for M+ just gonna take a bit longer + u can always get HC tier pretty fast

restive peak
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There are also no push weeks, you could slow gear and start giga pushing like week 16-18 and still get title

worn walrus
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season 1 seems intentionally tame in that regard. set bonuses are also very milquetoast

coarse nest
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2% gang

glad coyote
restive peak
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They are verifiably not

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So there's nothing to bet on

junior gale
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I bet on the not true thing being true but also not true

proud crown
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besides h week tuning

restive peak
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Also M+ is a minigame, same w PVP, IDK why people are surprised an MMO is designed to encourage cross-playstyle grouping

coarse nest
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Simulationcraft is a hell of a tool

storm rune
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my napkin sims are based

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(no one look at my post history)

coarse nest
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Askhually

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🤓

rigid stirrup
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Robot knows all

coarse nest
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It says here on the tooltip that this number is higher so it’s obviously better

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Sims wrong

proud crown
storm rune
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COULDNT BE ME

restive peak
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Also everyone needs to realize the current sims are not accurate

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The APL is not updated lol

junior gale
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😎

restive peak
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Colossus arms literally does not use bladestorm, for example

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If simmed

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Lmao

junior gale
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Slayer

proud crown
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current sims seem good to me

restive peak
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It still isn't accurate

rigid stirrup
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Just wait till the gajeel cook

restive peak
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They're just not accurate is all

junior gale
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Arms Slayer does not use Bladestorm in sims

restive peak
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^

graceful ruin
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i haven't had a chance to do dawnbreaker yet but what do people hate about it?

restive peak
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We have another 13 days before sims even matter, it'll be done by then

proud crown
restive peak
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It's just a shitty dungeon that's convoluted

quick inlet
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People doing 30k over sim will say APL is optimal. Then it really becomes optimal and they’re playing with a 15% margin of error keks

restive peak
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Lots of wasted space

junior gale
rigid stirrup
graceful ruin
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i think most people seem to absolutely despise it lol

rigid stirrup
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Not as big as Nokud but also not as straight forward either

proud crown
sick jungle
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dawnbreaker is fast once you know what you're doing

rigid stirrup
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Also a lot of packs in the m+ version seem to be too tightly packed

proud crown
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watching my disc priest void puddle yoyo across my screen

sick jungle
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i can't imagine what it's going to be like for m+ though

rigid stirrup
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It used to be a LOT worse

sick jungle
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is it in m+ in s1?

rigid stirrup
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The add that would spawn the death ball used to be in the tiny house on top of the hill

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Andnyes it is

sick jungle
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oh god

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2nd boss is going to be a nightmare

graceful ruin
sick jungle
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the town is so tight and flying is gonna be rough lmao

glad coyote
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you do realize there are safe zones in the town right?

rigid stirrup
storm rune
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2nd boss is going to single handedly gatekeep the entire dungeon

graceful ruin
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i mean the mob density

glad coyote
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the giant gold shields?

graceful ruin
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or placement

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2nd boss is anub'ikkaj yea?

sick jungle
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2nd boss at least is fast on heroic lol you can just ignore the elites you gotta kill to lower the bosses health

glad coyote
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yeah

rigid stirrup
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There are gonna be debates where to fight the 2nd boss but hands down best spot is by the fountain after cles4ing yhe area

graceful ruin
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i watched people doing it in heroic the mechanics seemed fine, what changes in m+?

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or mythic i guess

sick jungle
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we do it on the hill near the fountain

rigid stirrup
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Whoever says fighting on the hill is best is dumb idc

restive peak
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It's the M+ part that giga sucks, heroic is fine

graceful ruin
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yeah why

restive peak
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Cuz you legit just run to the bosses and afk the rest

sick jungle
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the boss immediately pats to the hill right after killing the first boss

restive peak
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On M+ you have to pull a shitload and it's just messy

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Lots of pats etc

sick jungle
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and you can send the orb down hill for practically 0 dmg

glad coyote
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^

sick jungle
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yeah getting percentage is gonna be spicy

coarse nest
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Isn’t dawn breaker the fastest spammable heroic?

restive peak
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Yes

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On heroic you do 3 pulls, kill boss 1, dive down to boss 2, kill him despite buff, fly up to 3

sick jungle
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is it really? ara-kara we did it in 7 min

storm rune
coarse nest
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Yeah just do the 3 bosses and skip everything else as much as possible

rigid stirrup
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You can do the same thing and shoot it in a straight down where the little underpass thing is

humble plover
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Yeah I do the slope hall hill thing too. Tank against the wall so the tank doesn't go anywhere. Shoot the orbs up or down the slope. No mobs/pats either

sick jungle
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the rp of the final boss is annoying lol

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flying wastes so much time

sick jungle
rigid stirrup
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My favorite part about the last boss is moving so you don't hit people with the wave but they run in the direction you're going anyways 🙃

sick jungle
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my buddy purposefully does it wrong

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at least thats what he says

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kekw

humble plover
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Yeah I had a buddy streaming his discord doing it wrong on purpose yesterday

rigid stirrup
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Aside from dawn breaker I think the rest of the dungeons are super solid. Already better than dragonflight by miles

sick jungle
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priory paladins go brr

graceful ruin
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just looking at it dawnbreaker still looks better than most DF dungeons lol

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only DF dungeon i liked was algethar

rigid stirrup
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That hopefully gets fixed by the time it becomes in season

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Priory 2nd half is actual aids

proud crown
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anyone else notice the strange interactions with the Priory consecrations and spell reflect?

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I swear you reflect the placement and you can stand in it without taking dmg

rigid stirrup
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I'll have to try that

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Also I found out you can drop dungeon after killing a boss

proud crown
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just such a strange way to code the dmg instance

rigid stirrup
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May or may not have abuses that

restive peak
coarse nest
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Po ta toes

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Boilem mashem

rigid stirrup
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AV s4 was good. S1 I hated myself

proud crown
sick jungle
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oh damn, gotta try reflecting the consecrate lol

coarse nest
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Stick em in a stew

graceful ruin
jolly mist
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after rlp got fixed i loved rlp ngl

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but s1 rlp

sick jungle
jolly mist
proud crown
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already got all our sacbroods

sick jungle
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we got 4 of them in 3 runs yesterday for my whole group lol

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oh tru nice

restive peak
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I loved RLP too

proud crown
restive peak
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I skipped S1 as soon as Rasz died, couldn't tell ya

humble plover
rigid stirrup
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The only dungeon I didn't drop early was cleft because last boss weapon. I que as prot tho because I can't stand additional trash pulls in heroic dungeons

graceful ruin
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tbh I also think i liked most shadowlands dungeons more than the DF ones

restive peak
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S1 was dogwater and I was super busy IRL

graceful ruin
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taz was so much better than DotI it's crazy

jolly mist
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yea ngl i didnt enjoy df dungeons either

rigid stirrup
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Temple of the jade serpent monka

jolly mist
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pls

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bring back

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gambit

graceful ruin
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yes

jolly mist
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greatest dungeon OAT

restive peak
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Taz coming back next season we pray

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GOATed

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Mecha dungeons too

graceful ruin
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mechagon good too

jolly mist
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motherlode too

coarse nest
restive peak
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Dude just give me a season of the mega dungeons, GOATED

unreal onyx
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taz critcake

south kayak
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Atal Dazar is a goated dungeon

proud crown
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junkyard was best

rigid stirrup
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If s2 has that goblin themed raid I could see mecha and motherlode coming back

cedar shuttle
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mountain or slayer?

rigid stirrup
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Slayer

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Next

junior gale
humble plover
restive peak
jolly mist
graceful ruin
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I'll take any SL dungeon except plaguefall or spires over any DF dungeon except algethar lmao

jolly mist
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pf was fire wdym

proud crown
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im a PF enjoyer

restive peak
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They just need to change Irid and those places would be amazing

proud crown
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had to spam for phial

junior gale
graceful ruin
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maybe if it came back I'd enjoy it but at the time I didn't

proud crown
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SR on 1st boss was YUMMO

graceful ruin
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tbh wing 2 of DotI sucked ass but I didn't mind Wing 1

jolly mist
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im actually so hyped for nw

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one of my fav dungeons

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icl shadownlands COOKED

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with the dungeons

restive peak
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I would accept DOTI cuz fall was good, other was meh, but if it got me the other mega dungeons? YUP

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Sign me TF up

worthy wagon
rigid stirrup
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I wouldn't be surprised if s3 was a mega dungeon szn

graceful ruin
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shadowlands had good ass dungeons and one of the best raids

proud crown
graceful ruin
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if not for the stupid shit like prideful and covenants being semi permanent and other system mechanics tbh I think it wouldve cooked

south kayak
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bfa had the best dungeons starting from legion

jolly mist
south kayak
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don't @ me

graceful ruin
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I assume

proud crown
jolly mist
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yeah

south kayak
worn walrus
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i really liked that one BFA season with the obelisks

proud crown
south kayak
tiny hare
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any hypers for bfa classic?

jolly mist
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give me the other side back im SPAMMING tf out of it

south kayak
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nuh uh

humble plover
south kayak
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I already played bfa

tiny hare
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i can already picture me 50 years old doing corruptions again

versed frost
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bfa was like 3 years ago

graceful ruin
# jolly mist yeah

yea I mean s2 sucked dick but honestly sancy D was kinda heat until the last 3 dogshit bosses

storm rune
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dont they have like 6 expansions before they even touch bfa?

nocturne holly
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someone can explain me why on wowhead they recommend me to craft charged claymore instead of the Axe? Axe has more dmg and the same speed.

south kayak
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it wasn't 3 years ago lol

jolly mist
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i want

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mop classic

spare steppe
jolly mist
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once thats out bye bye retail

south kayak
storm rune
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It's just the top end/low end damage changes

graceful ruin
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tbh any raid since personal loot got removed has been awful, not because the raids are bad but because the gearing just feels so pointless and doomed lmao

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I fucking hate group loot

humble plover
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Swords sounds crispier

spare steppe
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I wish we could use 2handed daggers

tiny hare
nocturne holly
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yes, 1860 dmg x second, but claymore has 5023-8373 dmg, meanwhile Axe 4353-9043 dps. u think is the same overall?

spare steppe
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Dagger warrior with edgemasters

storm rune
south kayak
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xdd

proud crown
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wait I know that guy

thin cliff
south kayak
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He did the mth

tiny hare
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numbers are scary

thin cliff
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use whichever one is red. That one does more damage

static ridge
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hi guys what spec for warrior look the best for both raid and m+ for tww season 1 or is it to early to say

storm rune
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too early, but also fury

static ridge
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so fury look the best ?

storm rune
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balance patch next week

static ridge
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what is balance patch ?

worn walrus
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when servers come up im going to live the mountain thane dream

spare steppe
hard widget
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Slayer fury all the way

storm rune
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they'll tune numbers to try to balance the DPS between specs and classes (Aside from the couple that will be doing 5% more than the rest)

spare steppe
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As someone who hasn’t been a warrior for multiple expansions, does one spec perform better for soloing elite rares etc?

south kayak
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probably fury

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more self healing

modest condor
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definitely fury

spare steppe
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Cool, gonna be a delve degenerate to level up Brann

rigid stirrup
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Enraged regen goes hard

proud crown
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unhinged with enraged regen is pretty nice for soloing rares

modest condor
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soloing lvl 80 rares at lvl 70 as fury

south kayak
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no way lol

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the real endgame

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fuck parses

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silm soloed level 80 rares at 70

alpine haven
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Play colossus arms for big one hit : )

modest condor
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there was one right next to where i spawned in on the new map

south kayak
modest condor
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i was like wtf he's hitting me for 40% of my hp per hit

spare steppe
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I got my facr punched in doing that but I was a MOP remix leveler

modest condor
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still killed it

alpine haven
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My guy parsed 100 on a random lvl 80 rare

south kayak
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Yeah the rares hit for a shitton

modest condor
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frfr

south kayak
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even at 80

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but you can kill them fast

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also

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all my homies hate consecration in priory

modest condor
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why are there lvl 80 rares when you're just entering the new expac anyway

alpine haven
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to fuck you up

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bring you down a step

spare steppe
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Found a giant on a mountain, the mountain slapped back

south kayak
modest condor
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well i was boss

south kayak
proud crown
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then die to the next one

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in 5s

south kayak
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yeah u can actually reflect that

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hilarious

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doesn't make any sense how youi can relfect ground effects

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but whatever

proud crown
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actual spaghetti code man

south kayak
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Wait a second

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I just noticed something on ele shaman

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this CDR here works for their interrupt lmao

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and it's 12 seconds

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hahaha

alpine haven
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I mean yeah

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its a nature spell

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You are discovering what it says

south kayak
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isn't that busted tho

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i didn't think it would work for interrupt

storm rune
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Like why does Spell reflect work in the first place without a shield

south kayak
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stop

tawny pivot
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Say, have anyone got a weakaura for Burst of Power from Mountain King? I couldn't find anything on wago. Could use something that flashes the icon, if anybody's using one

sick jungle
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server up yet or what

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im dyin here

south kayak
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I mean, the passive itself flashes the icon

tawny pivot
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Hmm maybe it's an ElvUI thing because I got no flash when it procs

south kayak
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probably elvui then

tawny pivot
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darn

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Maybe I'll ask ChatGPT

south kayak
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idk how it would know taht

solemn widget
south kayak
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it's from the raid

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so no

hasty pagoda
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its not

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people already dropped it

junior gale
south kayak
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I thought it was from raid?

solemn widget
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okay someone said they got a 590 from world drop and upgrade to 606

tawny pivot
hasty pagoda
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seems its from elite in the zone

tawny pivot
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I linked you the reply it gave me

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😄

hasty pagoda
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it could be farmable, but what is the drop chance ahah

south kayak
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fuck that

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gonna be replaced fast

restive narwhal
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Can we play with 2 1H Weapons too `? Because i specced into Blacksmithing into Swords and realised, i cant craft a 2 Hand Sword besides the one with the Spark... what a Game

sick jungle
hybrid dawn
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Are the darkmoon decks any good?

viral jasper
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Just have someone else make your axes

broken bramble
sick jungle
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it's just the 2h axe though right

broken bramble
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2H Mace too

zenith gorge
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What do you want 2h swords for? Axe and Mace tho

sick jungle
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gotta go hafted

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i specced blades first, not too sure why lmao

restive narwhal
zenith gorge
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Someone said to save the caches from weekly quests - does anyone know why?

sick jungle
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I also didn't want to be wrong and assume that I wouldn't have enough KP to craft the charged claymore by the time everyone wants it

tawny pivot
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Made a weakaura for Burden of Power with ChatGPT and it works fine 😄 Not a lot of people know it but ChatGPT can make you weakauras, you might have to ask a few times but it gets it right mostly

sick jungle
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if you really want to make yourself a 590 2h axe with crests you should eventually have enough KP in the coming days to spec a bit into hafted

rotund ginkgo
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im this close to breaking my 2p2p

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RAAAAAAA

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any1 knows what talents we run without 2p2p?

sick jungle
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but like, meh, week 3 you'll be doing t8 delves, m0, and raid

restive narwhal
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Question is, is it a dmg loss, when i play with 2 1H Weapons instead of 2 2H ?

trim salmon
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yes

restive narwhal
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How much ?

sand crest
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it most definitely is a dps loss

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more than you should accept if you play the game even semi seriously

restive narwhal
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Ah oka

trim salmon
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like rn if you want to absolutely why not

fickle cedar
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no severed thread pact offers some player power thing right ?

trim salmon
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but for a small cosmetic choice it is enough that it's a bit griefy

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(in content that matters)

restive narwhal
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I can craft 2 1H Swords 586 my self right now. OR : I order 2 2H Axes from anybody where i can get 590 or sth.

trim salmon
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if i gave you any numbers i'd be pulling them out my arse, but there is no benefit going 2x1h beyond cosmetic preference

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which is absolutely fine, but just be aware of that

strong pilot
worn walrus
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maintenance extended nooo

restive narwhal
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How can it be, that its not possible to craft a "blue" 2H Sword when you specc into Blades.

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I literally dont get it

honest anchor
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Is It worth going for both hack and slash and wrath and fury for an RA Slayer build?

fickle cedar
hardy shuttle
honest anchor
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Rly? Tradee off for jugg Or Titanic rage seems to be too much....

hardy shuttle
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I've been running the same as the wowhead guide but with wrath and fury instead of bloodborne

somber elk
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guys why cant i upgrade my offhand to 590 without crests if i craftet a 590?

hardy shuttle
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Because crafted don't count towards the upgrades

honest anchor
proud crown
hardy shuttle
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WaF will be more st and prio damage and bloodborne will be more overall probably

honest anchor
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Facts

hardy shuttle
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I'd rather have the prio damage since RB fucks so hard

proud crown
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I definitely abused my blacksmith when he said he couldnt do a blue sword

honest anchor
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Any of u bois playing am at all?

hardy shuttle
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I tipped a guy 20k, all my mats for a pair of 590 bracers. He sent it back as 586 and hit me with a "590 is impossible day 2 of the expansion"

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So I linked him my other 6 pieces and then got blocked

hardy shuttle
restive peak
chrome forge
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why people want craft 590 gear, when you can farm for 3 weeks H duns and get gear upgradeable to reach that ilvl?

sick jungle
sullen dove
hardy shuttle
proud crown
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thats not how that works

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you do save valorstones tho

hardy shuttle
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It costs 45 to upgrade to 593. 30 to craft 590

proud crown
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and get an embellish

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it costs 60 to 593

restive peak
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It’s also about picking the stats

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You can ensure you have optimal stat gear which is a big difference

dusky moon
hardy shuttle
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As long as gold isn't a big deal to you crafting is just objectively better

dusky moon
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One of the best things about writing my guide is watching people argue over whether you should follow the guide

hardy shuttle
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Feely craft everything until heroic track warriorbrain

sick jungle
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10% darmoon is a lot

dusky moon
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We don't know because we don't know how much reputation is going to come from unlocked quest lines

sick jungle
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but it's a 1hr buff right?

restive peak
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The guide is made for people who are trying to min max, aka HOF raiders and such

dusky moon
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It's a 1-hour buff but you can get it an infinite number of times

restive peak
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Otherwise I wouldn’t bother

dusky moon
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There are plenty of people in top 600 world who like to use my guide

restive peak
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Ofc

sick jungle
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do you have to go back to the DF to get the buff or is it an item you can stack

restive peak
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But I mean they dont NEED to use it

dusky moon
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Some people just enjoy the minmax

sick jungle
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i haven't played in a minute so sry for stupid questions

dusky moon
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I agree

dire badge
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ok but who’s gonna tier list the guides

restive peak
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Like we’re getting heroic only people stressing, no need to stress

dusky moon
restive peak
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If the farming seems extreme to you, you can easily skip it and be ok in a few weeks

sick jungle
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tbh I just don't like wasting my time

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so I'm following the guide except the degen shit

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i ain't that degen

humble plover
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I love wasting my time, why I play wow

dusky moon
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You don't want to buy a contract for 20,000 gold that's going to give you 150 rep?

hardy shuttle
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Big value

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I'll never catch up without it

sick jungle
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I wish I could make 20k kekw

dusky moon
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Mine

sick jungle
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jks I have decent gold but not enough to just throw 20k willy nilly

dusky moon
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@heady saffron has made over a million gold mining

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But he's kind of a loser so

dire badge
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God I miss boosting money taters send me some of yours

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ah fuck I need it on eu tho damnit

humble plover
hardy shuttle
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Boosting income in a few weeks danderson

dusky moon
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Pvp Can be fun if you're insane

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Oh wait I'm in the warrior discord

sick jungle
jovial coral
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You are america

humble plover
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Bro I spent a lot of mine on d4 and epic wow edition haha

dusky moon
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Yeah I lost a lot of gold buying the D4 expansion

sick jungle
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gathering bismuth during EA was an absolute money printer

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i just hate gathering

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i'd rather watch paint dry than gather

hardy shuttle
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In shadowlands week 1 I mined elethium in the maw and cannonballed off the map any time I got put in combat. Unlimited eye of the jailer and gold. But years off my life

heady saffron
dusky moon
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Degen

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That's a lot of fyrakk carries

heady saffron
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ready for this xpacs leggo boss

humble plover
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I want to gather more but I don't have a max level druid and there's not enough damage being done while gathering

heady saffron
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woooo

sick jungle
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I wonder how much I can make crafting people shit

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going all in on weaponsmith rn

dire badge
dusky moon
dire badge
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They don’t like feet in Europe?

hardy shuttle
#

I was waiting for like hours to find someone to make a belt and bracers

sick jungle
#

rip me lmao

#

already in on weapons

hardy shuttle
#

Craft the random shit no1 wants and you'll make a lot

jovial coral
#

😔

humble plover
dire badge
#

😔

#

That’s what I need to do is photoshop ole xallys feet into my pfp

ember apex
#

the new photoshop beta is actually kinda poggers

sick jungle
humble plover
#

They went so hard animating her in the he cutscenes. I hope she kills us

sick jungle
#

now that I think of it shield can hold emebllishments

restive peak
#

I went armorsmith we bout to make BANK

humble plover
#

I for one welcome our void mommy overlord

sick jungle
#

gotta love not being able to respend KP

hardy shuttle
#

I was posting in trade for bracers for 50k for like 3 hours lol. Eventually found one and got bamboozled for 586s

edgy widget
#

it's 4 rep instead of 5, not a big difference

sick jungle
#

god damn, it's gonna take min 50 KP to get into bracers

hardy shuttle
#

That's forever 30 rep behind

sick jungle
#

i really fucked up

#

guess I gotta hope for the best with weapons

hardy shuttle
#

Absolutely impossible to catch up

still berry
#

is there a point in Pawn still? still see it up there on addons dl list

dusky moon
#

Nooooiiiooo

coarse nest
#

In robot we trust

junior gale
#

except right now

edgy widget
#

which is not advised

junior gale
#

dont trust the robot right now

edgy widget
junior gale
#

yee all good

still berry
#

yea i just mr robot and simc. but maybe I'll use pawn just for the quick visual +% in bags for now

frank dawn
#

min/maxing heroic dungeons is important mmmk

coarse nest
#

Pawn is so 2010

bitter palm
meager void
#

in 2010, EJ was where you were told that Pawn was bad.

bitter palm
#

xalatath

viral jasper
#

Pawn is pretty unreliable

#

It takes like 30 seconds to tab over to mr robot and run a sim

edgy widget
#

I hope by mr robot you mean Raidbots and not AskMrRobot 💀

still berry
#

Gonna use pawn for the visual so I don't have to read until S1 keks

coarse nest
#

AskMrRobot holy is this Cata again

still berry
#

Is amr still a thing even lol

edgy widget
#

MoP reforging was its high point

#

and all downhill from there

frank dawn
#

reforging, good times

coarse nest
#

So true miss reforging

still berry
#

But yea I meant copy simc then into raidBots not amr lmao

tired violet
still berry
#

I just want the green upgrade visual for the dopamine hit

edgy widget
junior gale
#

Reforge lite ownd

still berry
meager void
#

with the things that WE sometimes write here, I wouldnt be surprised if Archi worries about our literacy as a whole.

coarse nest
#

Warrior and literacy

still berry
#

At least we aren't rogues

versed frost
meager void
#

hey, Revvez setup a shiny new graph and we had a whole convo about how much more "clear" it was.

still berry
#

(disregard the fact I'm only playing a war now because enhance has too many keys and I'm old and this class is easy)

humble plover
#

I just look at what daddy Archi says to wear then only put on items with haste cause being slow isn't fun

meager void
#

its a prio list ffs. Do 1 before 2 and so on...

coarse nest
storm rune
heady saffron
#

full in on bismuth skill

#

getting up to 2 full nullstones from a node feelsgood

storm rune
#

that just outright pays for an entire weeks worth of m+ supplies

coarse nest
#

Wait WoW has gathering?

meager void
humble plover
storm rune
meager void
meager void
coarse nest
versed frost
#

haste enrage and 40% haste on gear and it's still will not be enough for my liking

humble plover
#

Oh, I'm only at 22 I think? With haste enrage frenzy I'm up over 40

#

Ain't close to natty 40 yet lol

frank dawn
#

I'm rocking like 15% afk in the city lol

#

feelsbadman

edgy widget
#

sad Powerful Enrage noises sad

heady saffron
#

and got insta 1 tapped

frank dawn
heady saffron
#

fun stuff

coarse nest
#

Delete powerful enrage

restive peak
#

My haste is up to 22% on my 3 warrs and it feels pretty meh still, honestly

#

We hate PE

humble plover
#

I like powerful enrage more, it just doesn't feel great right now cuz the low stats

versed frost
storm rune
#

I had to google how-to with overloaded ez-mine, wasted too many CDs on that thing before I learned

frank dawn
#

NERF POWERFUL ENRAGE

#

DOWN WITH THE SLOW

heady saffron
#

buff leap slam

restive peak
#

I have ADHD man I want my fuckin speed

heady saffron
#

+2 charges

restive peak
junior gale
#

if you nerf powerful enrage does it become mid enrage?

heady saffron
#

becomes no one takes this anymore enrage

versed frost
#

just merge powerful enrage and haste enrage into one FingerGuns

restive peak
#

Add 10% haste to frenzied we ball

coarse nest
#

It’s already mid enrage

heady saffron
#

give powerful enrage a proc of aoe dmg

#

when you enrage

#

:O

teal pine
#

me fr

heady saffron
#

i got mines to node

storm rune
#

Seriously, I'm fiending for some herbs and rocks

sick jungle
heady saffron
#

i did notice it was giving more than normal

#

lol

sick jungle
#

beauty

#

and I doubt they take it away

heady saffron
#

thought something was up with getting +1 every other mine

sick jungle
#

yeah anyone that was on during the bug got absolutely blessed lmao

rigid stirrup
#

is our new cope hoping for a 4 set change before season starts

wanton mirage
#

Is warband feature the best QOL Blizz ever added?

teal pine
#

another 30 minute extension

heady saffron
#

lol i dont think ive ever seen a 30min delay

image.png
teal pine
#

its doomed

heady saffron
#

dont they normall 3hour slam it

silent hornet
heady saffron
#

account wide mounts

#

100%

#

and not needing to drop 14k each character for speeeed flying

worn walrus
#

i mean not getting into the semantics of whether or not it was good for the game, from a strictly QOL perspective i think the king will always be cross realm

#

i remember a point of having to log onto other servers to find groups, add them, then switch back

heady saffron
#

lol my buddy logged in for the first time in a few years and asked why he had a bunch of lvl10s on different servers guess he forgot he sold keys 2 xpacs ago

edgy widget
storm rune
#

I wonder what that level equates to from a pre-pre squish perspective

cosmic escarp
#

is there a way to see in sims which abilities are most pressed?

edgy widget
#

even the earliest form of cross-faction BGs was huge for the game

worn walrus
#

i can only imagine how much of my /played was sitting in hour long WSG queues trying to rank up

edgy widget
#

I remember doing BGs in vanilla on two accounts because my Alliance character would have 4 hour queues and my Horde would be back-to-back games

edgy widget
sick jungle
#

i'm patiently waiting for being able to queue with the other faction

edgy widget
#

or if you just do a quick sim, it will also give you a breakdown on the results page

silver jasper
#

I know there is a Weak Aura for one. But it is in a progress bar form and I don't react to it very well. Does anyone have or know how to make A spell reflect weak aura that pops up with an icon instead of a progress bar?

cosmic escarp
#

ah kk was using top gear that was my error

edgy widget
sick jungle
#

i thought it was coming with TWW

#

only to find out I can't queue normals/heroics with half my friends lol

edgy widget
#

partially - they'll let full groups queue, but they still won't allow cross-faction matchmaking

hardy cargo
#

Oh wait so I can have 2 ally and 3 horde in a grp and still do random H dungeon queue? That’s so dope

#

We’ve just been running to them

edgy widget
#

they say that it's because some people are really diehard about being all alliance or all horde, which makes a certain amount of sense...
... except the story now forces a mixed Alliance/Horde narrative, and anyone who cares that much about Alliance/Horde is almost certainly one who will be invested in story moments as well

worn walrus
#

i feel like any argument in favor of keeping the queues faction-specific can be dispelled fairly easily by having it be an optional thing

#

if you want same faction only, thats fine, you just go into your own queue

sick jungle
edgy widget
#

it is not, they said sometime after launch

sick jungle
#

darn

coarse nest
#

They need to allow cross faction que its such an inconvenient thing for groups of friends

sick jungle
#

yeah we've just been running to the dungeons

magic venture
#

Also there's way more people who can't play with their friends because they're cross faction than people who care super diehard about not playing with the opposite faction

edgy widget
storm rune
#

Imagine how long those queues would be

edgy widget
#

exactly as long as they are right now?

restive peak
#

"MY FANTASY IS RUINED BY THE NIGHTELF NEAR MY ORC"

#

wUT

edgy widget
restive peak
#

I can't imagine turning off both factions lmao

#

Right

#

Hahahaha

sick jungle
edgy widget
#

Horde and Alliance ships sailing in side by side

sick jungle
#

blizz instantly patched it

#

so I don't quite understand why it's not a thing by now lol

edgy widget
#

Yeah because someone at Blizz insists there's a cadre of players who are super diehard about being full alliance or full horde

storm rune
#

Probably about 10 times longer, probably have to set a schedule with the opposing faction to have enough people queuing in the first place

edgy widget
#

and they might be right... but it's such a small dissonance

#

especially in the face of the story direction

restive peak
#

We literally are BFFs now

#

They could remove factions completely and it would change nothing

south kayak
restive peak
#

Call us the Alliorde, or Hordiance

#

Let's go

magic venture
#

There's at least 10 players who would quit the game if they had to play cross faction

edgy widget
restive peak
#

We had players have to fac change cuz of the headache

sudden scroll
#

Make arachnophobia mode but turning everyone's race to your faction to satisfy the crazies.

sick jungle
#

they wanna milk as much money out of fac changes as possible

storm rune
#

Blizz will release a microtransaction in honour of those fallen soldiers

thorny shoal
#

the only people who care about factions now are just contrarians, you cant change my mind

restive peak
#

"Can I join your leveling group...oh it's an alliance group I'm horde"

edgy widget
#

I mean I sympathize, but again - I don't see why Blizz is so concerned with that dissonance, when the literal story forces the same issue

#

that's the nonsensical part

restive peak
edgy widget
sick jungle
#

oh baby I can see realms but they're offline

edgy widget
#

it's just a trait of some people; they get incredibly invested in a certain specific thing, and cannot stand any deviation

sick jungle
#

soon

#

soon

thorny shoal
bitter palm
#

they like smf cause they like 1h tmogs

#

if they like smf cause its smf then they are contrarians imo

restive peak
#

I play this game way too much and am probably too passionate about it sometimes, and I still cannot wrap my head around it...but I guess people are different for a reason shrug

edgy widget
#

like the people who cannot get past the idea that Mountain Thane is based on WC3 Muradin and because he used 1hrs, so too should all Thanes

stable frost
#

Yeah cross faction grouping is fine I get to make fun of the hordelings for playing the faction that just can't seem to pick a leader that isn't a cartoon villain

edgy widget
#

or that because Fury started as a DW1h spec (which is only partially true tbh, really it was also a 2h spec), it should only ever be a DW1h spec

restive peak
graceful ruin
humble plover
#

I grew up horde and I will always be for The horde. But they needed to get rid of the faction divide a long time ago. All it did was artificially reduce the player base

sick jungle
#

gods I remember trying titans grip for the first time in wotlk

edgy widget
#

and it's ok to have a preference, but it's very common for people to become so attached to their idea of what's "right" (usually whatever they experienced first, whether or not it was actually the original version), they cannot accept any deviation

sick jungle
#

it was so underwhelming

worn walrus
#

i definitely prefer the aesthetic of 1hers, not enough to take the power hit though

sick jungle
#

server up

manic spindle
#

We're in scheduled maintenance right now? Waaaaa

sick jungle
#

server up i repeat it's up

thorny shoal
graceful ruin
#

i'll still say that 1h fury is weird because most of the class fantasy and uniqueness to me comes from being a raging berserker using two massive weapons

#

if i'm using 1hs then that entire fantasy is gone

#

and plenty other classes already offer that

worn walrus
sick jungle
#

oh baby I am stuck in a loading screen of doom

tired violet
#

yeah if you want 1 handers really bad, frost dk is always there

#

or dh

restive peak
#

The servers are not fully up 😛

graceful ruin
#

or shaman

#

or monk

edgy widget
#

I mean right now is the perfect time to play SMF lol

sick jungle
humble plover
#

I understand wanting to transmong one-handers but the whole appeal to me of fury was dual wielding giant weapons and swinging away

sick jungle
#

i was too quick damn

restive peak
#

Oh maybe it is now, it showed me arena realms

worn walrus
restive peak
#

Now it's showing my chars

#

We maybe ball?

graceful ruin
manic spindle
#

What's everyone working on in-game right now?

sick jungle
#

I'm stuck at a loading screen lol

graceful ruin
#

just knowing that i'm wielding double two-handers

stable frost
#

Maybe I should go back to mogging the smallest 2h I have on my weapons

manic spindle
#

Heroics, professions?

edgy widget
manic spindle
#

Hahaha

restive peak
manic spindle
#

IM IN

humble plover
#

Work

tired violet
frank dawn
#

we love loading screens

south kayak
#

I’m about to faction change because of this shit, but nothing in horde looks as good as humans

storm rune
restive peak
#

EXACTLY

#

I AM AN S3 ENJOYER

humble plover
storm rune
#

S3 was peak fury

restive peak
#

I have been saying 471/485 etc all week, my brain cannot swap

#

Lol

#

585 on all 3 chars, fixed

graceful ruin
#

tbh all of this just makes me think that arms has the least class fantasy in the entire game

burnt kelp
#

But maybe its time to let it go

south kayak
#

What race on horse should I reroll to

burnt kelp
#

(never)

south kayak
#

Horde

graceful ruin
#

tauren

restive peak
#

And all warlocks care about is being top dmg while sandbagging til they are, so it fits

graceful ruin
humble plover
#

I like troll

south kayak
#

I don’t like either

tired violet
south kayak
#

Orc is the closest but their combat stance is hilarious

graceful ruin
#

tbh i usually go with belf, maghar orc, or vulpera

humble plover
#

Well all the options suck if you don't like tauren or troll

south kayak
#

They poke their eyes out with their weapon

#

I guess I’ll just stay human

graceful ruin
#

oh or panda

#

pandas are great

south kayak
#

It’s only 2 weeks

restive peak
#

We are in bois

stable frost
#

The mythic nathria armor mog is already good but tauren takes it next level, only time I've seen horde look good

graceful ruin
#

tbh i like mogs on a lot of classes more than humans

#

maghar being one of them, on warr at least

#

races* not classes

restive peak
#

My 1 warr is now 22%haste/38% mastery we ball

graceful ruin
#

are u powerful or frenzy enrage

restive peak
#

powerful

graceful ruin
#

man

stable frost
#

Maghar players often end up in the "uhm ackshually the iron horde were right all along" camp and that's a really cringe place to be

graceful ruin
#

pls nerf this shit

south kayak
#

I think Orcs only work for one type of armor, savage or something like that

#

I’m playing frenzy

graceful ruin
south kayak
#

Powerful can suck it

graceful ruin
#

well until they added upright orc stances

#

now it's thes ame shit

forest owl
#

rip tiersets

south kayak
#

Why would you play powerful instead of frenzy

graceful ruin
#

because it performs better

#

same reason i play anything over anything else

south kayak
#

Doubt that’s a big difference

graceful ruin
#

i'll be using powerful until we have the sims to tell

#

unless we already do

#

but i heard they were fucked atm

graceful ruin
edgy widget
#

we have them, but sims don't matter for this content anyway

graceful ruin
#

yea for sure

edgy widget
#

and powerful is generally better in multitarget since so much of your damage comes from instant sources of burst damage that don't benefit much if at all from haste

burnt kelp
dapper goblet
#

enjoy your nerfs

#

DF abusing warriors

restive peak
#

Ye PE makes the burst insane

burnt kelp
dapper goblet
#

🧎‍♂️

still berry
#

let me innn

junior gale
#

incoming messages saying we were nerfed because of heroic dungeons

south kayak
#

We already burst a lot

graceful ruin
still berry
#

oh servers are back

storm rune
#

but the ah is down

restive peak
#

But I think the latest pure ST has frenzied higher

#

But again, 2 ST fights all tier, 1 of which is giga early

south kayak
#

I see

#

With the low amount of haste I have rn I won’t play PE yet

winter shoal
#

Is raidbots using TWW sims?

restive peak
#

No

still berry
#

still no fix to guild achievements spam

winter shoal
rigid stirrup
#

we lookin good fellas

image.png
open storm
#

where do you get contracts

rigid stirrup
#

also high rolled boe heavy mast small haste shoulders

south kayak
restive peak
proven thistle
#

guys do we track imminent demise/delay bladestorm untill we have 3 stacks or we just do what we do and not track it?

south kayak
#

I still haven’t gotten sac or shard

#

@restive peak

restive peak
#

RIP dude

south kayak
restive peak
#

Just spam 1st boss ara, leave and re'q lol

south kayak
#

Dw about it

eternal sundial
south kayak
eternal sundial
#

Works just fine

eternal sundial
proven thistle
#

thanks!!

eternal sundial
#

Unlimited with queue

south kayak
#

Oh cool

#

Even if you specifically queue?

eternal sundial
#

Got it in 2 runs so idk

restive peak
#

Yep

rigid stirrup
eternal sundial
#

Just do it as tank it's so free

south kayak
#

well if I leave I’ll have to wait 20 mins

#

Or 30

rigid stirrup
#

If you leave after killing 1 boss theres no penalty

open storm
south kayak
rigid stirrup
open storm
rigid stirrup
#

doing it as prot for faster que's and leaving is kinda unethical

open storm
#

hmmmm

rigid stirrup
#

it is 8

open storm
#

how do you get so much assembly rep wq in pre release?

rigid stirrup
#

just do the zone quest

open storm
#

all i have is wq to do and im only 7

#

6*

#

ahh

#

so do every quest?

rigid stirrup
#

the chains give rep at the end of them

south kayak
#

Quest lines give a lot of rep

quick schooner
#

Guys other than doing herioc what should i do ?

rigid stirrup
#

I'm onnly doing it so I canunlock transmogs. as fury the only desired item is the helm

#

that will actually last you for a lil while

south kayak
#

Profession if you have

bitter palm
edgy widget
#

yeah, just farm renown and clear through quest content

open storm
#

gotcha

bitter palm
#

those 2 st bosse

open storm
#

spiders worth doing?

edgy widget
#

craft a lil bit

#

everything is worth doing

rigid stirrup
#

we can make those 590 weapons yet right?

restive peak
south kayak
#

Imagine your tier set is made for mountain thane

#

And the hero talent sucks on ST

#

I’d be livid if we play this entire season with MT being this bad on ST

bitter palm
#

we will

south kayak
#

One chance to play it with this set

orchid dagger
bitter palm
#

slayer season

#

for both

south kayak
bitter palm
#

its actually the same thing except colossus is annoying to play

#

colossus beats slayer in sustained aoe

orchid dagger
bitter palm
#

and thane beats slayer in sustained aoe

south kayak
#

Yeah I know

#

I just want it to be close enough

#

Doesn’t have to be better

#

In st at least

#

I want to believe they’ll buff thane but it’s hard to when you share a spec with a tank

#

And the hero talent is insane for them

#

The only way you wanna do this is separate the abilities for prot and fury

#

And I don’t know if they have time for that

orchid dagger
#

Which defeats the purpose of shared class abilites

south kayak
#

I don’t think it does

bitter palm
#

time to implement

south kayak
#

It doesn’t have to deal the same amount of damage

bitter palm
#

hero talent specific aura%

south kayak
#

Or another way is buffing the talents that buff fury abilities

#

Like 15 for raging blow and Exe

#

Make that 30%

#

Rampage 30%

bitter palm
#

that would

#

send thane aoe

#

and its already very strong

south kayak
#

Fuck it we ball

bitter palm
#

meat cleaver for thane is lower

#

than for slayer

#

ez

south kayak
#

Just do anything to make it not 15% worse than slayer

bitter palm
#

lightning strikes now deal 15% of ur damage

south kayak
#

Well, they can fix ST by buffing that

#

Because it’s a ST tuning fork

#

But it will buff it for prot too so

versed frost
#

"your abilities have +100% chance to proc lightning strikes on your main target" add that somewhere
one can dream

#

not enough lightning imo lol

south kayak
#

@bitter palm what about the buffed BT talent?

bitter palm
#

nah we need hero talent specific auras imo

south kayak
#

80% instead of 25%

bitter palm
#

cause thane is a lot more aoe focused than slayer

#

slayers aoe

#

is fucking reap the storm

#

thanes entire tree

#

is about aoe

open storm
#

so then where are we picking up our contract for the week for a faction

south kayak
#

Thunder blast should do 100% more damage to primary targets

#

But again LS is the buff for that

bitter palm
#

yeah i was thinking the same

south kayak
#

They literally buffed Slayers strike by 50%

bitter palm
#

just make it deal more damage to prio

#

100% for arms chatting

sick jungle
#

is 4pc not disabled lmao

edgy widget
covert void
#

wait people are just using valorstones to upgrade gear to 480+ right? seems so

versed frost
#

thunderblast replaces execute as well and does 100% more damage on your main target if it's below 35%

edgy widget
#

honestly, I think there's a really solid argument for Thane in a lot of M+ keys

bitter palm
bitter palm
south kayak
#

So if thane ST gets buffed

bitter palm
versed frost
#

no one uses execute :P

bitter palm
#

yeah casue its not worth using

south kayak
#

It’s absolutely a thane m+?

#

Angle

still berry
#

is it worth doing these million granny skribbles quests?? lol

south kayak
#

Thane is the profile I really like

#

Big burst and big sustain

#

Obviously bigger burst

#

But the sustain is nice, reminds me of enha

#

Which goes hand in hand because it’s lightning spec lol

edgy widget
# bitter palm didnt know it was that ahead
  • it's about as far ahead in MT as it is behind in ST (roughly 15%ish)
  • it actually has higher priority damag (not the same thing as ST damage)
  • and its just as bursty, even higher at some points, it just doesn't deal that burst quite as quickly as Slayer does
versed frost
#

ye im staying thane. I'm not pushing super high keys or raids anyway.

bitter palm
#

if u need more oae

edgy widget
#

ST damage is definitely important in keys, so there's no denying that Slayer still has value, so it kinda depends on the key your doing and where you expect the pain points to be

#

also how high a level you're doing - people that are just doing farm keys for rewards (which value speed more than anything else) vs people actually pushing

south kayak
#

Honestly I’d take more sustain and similar burst to what slayer has, but doing 15% less ST is not ideal

#

But it’s close enough

#

Maybe

bitter palm
#

i hope they dont make keys

#

try to live challenge again

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but actual dps checks

edgy widget
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from what I've seen so far, it's more survivability checks

bitter palm
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so its about killing stuff in time and not surviving random oneshots

edgy widget
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But Colossus/Slayer is extremely close, honestly not sure I'd call either outright better at this point

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though I do think slayer is probably generally easier

south kayak
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Thane has more survivability

bitter palm
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a lot more

south kayak
manic spindle
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Like... 8% more?

south kayak
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Yep

manic spindle
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What makes it so survivable?

south kayak
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The talent

bitter palm
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the fact taht slayer has nothing

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defensively

south kayak
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That makes mobs deal less damage to you if you Thunder blasted them

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And slayer has nothing

bitter palm
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nah its after tblast

south kayak
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As turbo said

bitter palm
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u get 8% dr and 2% phys

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or u can talent into steadfast

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steadfast with endurance training might be a cook

versed frost
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once you're going you basically have 100% uptime on that damage reduction

manic spindle
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Is there a M+ BIS list anywhere?

bitter palm
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for very very high keys

bitter palm
south kayak
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Ok this is actually the first time someone told me that Slayer Multitarget is 15% worse than thane lol

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I didn’t know it was that far

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Just invite big st people

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And blast

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Fuck it

bitter palm
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ye thane aoe is crazy

south kayak
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I know Archi can hit blizzard up, I wonder if he told them about the disparity between thane and slayer ST

south kayak
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In aoe

bitter palm
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thane is peak

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for both

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s tier hero talent

south kayak
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I agree

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I know what I’d put in S tier so far

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Thane, Hellcaller, Deathbringer, Diabolist

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From what I’ve played in the launch so far

versed frost
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at rest my thunderclap does more damage than bt or raging blow lol

south kayak
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Damage on tuesdays

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Lol

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10% when you’re not in avatar

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Really?

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10% for a proc based ability