i think we can see that
#fury
hallow sphinx
latent hedge
i like bladestorm
young swan
have u actually played with it
past pivot
2.5 seconds of an activity feel sooooooo bad.
young swan
cause earlier u said it was 6 seconds
serene vessel
have u actually played with it
I don't have beta access but I haven't touched bladestorm since start of s1 when I played arms
young swan
I don't have beta access but I haven't touched bladestorm since start of s1 when...
its in game
dense elbow
Ah, the arms players back to complain about Fury bladestorm
serene vessel
its in game
Ya I don't have active sub rn bc it's meme season
covert blaze
I don't like bladestorm for fury either but it is what it is. It being hasted makes it not awful
past pivot
low quality bait
hallow sphinx
low quality bait
junior gale
Fury bladestorm owns it channeling extremely fast feels good
serene vessel
No I'm saying things because I'm not excited about how they've changed fury
young swan
yeah but you havent played with any of the changes
past pivot
No I'm saying things because I'm not excited about how they've changed fury
Not sure you know how they changed fury tbh
junior gale
Lol
young swan
im not even sure you know what changes happened
dense elbow
is working like crazy in here
heady saffron
excited to mess with the both hero specs
junior gale
Current fury owns just fix RB being to strong and make exe great again
heady saffron
this is first xpac im actually excited for since bfa lol even tho i dont know shit about it
dense elbow
Exe get a bump up to be #1 builder, OF/TR get a bump up, BS get a bump up and life is real real good
pearl sequoia
New product must consume
heady saffron
pearl sequoia
past pivot
Dracthyr warrior spinning to win is intriguing
junior gale
Femboy dragon race 🤮
heady saffron
lol
dense elbow
Dracthyr doesn't look the part tho. Ask for the buffed up model suggestion - then it can be concidered
heady saffron
the rock dorfs can be horde right?
pearl sequoia
I'd assume so like pandas
heady saffron
neat
heady saffron
i forgot, theres not much seperating the factions gameplay/trading/grouping wise anymore right?
yah lol
pearl sequoia
thinking about it a horde dwarf is gonna be weird to see
serene vessel
Not sure you know how they changed fury tbh
I read the hero talents, saw slayer used bladestorm, and prayed mountain Thane would be good
Because I do not enjoy channeled abilities on melee
serene vessel
me using grieftorch, fyraleth, and bladestorm
Hated all of those
pearl sequoia
i dont mind some channel, gives you like 2 seconds to see whats next to press
serene vessel
Didn't play my war s3 or 4 because of legendary
heady saffron
i dont mind some channel, gives you like 2 seconds to see whats next to press
will i raging blow, or will i raging blow
past pivot
Hated legendary. Did you have one? Or just read about it?
serene vessel
Hated legendary. Did you have one? Or just read about it?
Saw warrior getting legendary and played a different class
pearl sequoia
will i raging blow, or will i raging blow
yes n cd times
dense elbow
As you didnt have to acutally use the on-use, I say yes
Buffs to make it a button came laaaaaaaate
serene vessel
serene vessel
Ironically that's actually whst I brought up when i originally said that statement
past pivot
Do you just log out when it takes 1.5 seconds for a summon? lol
serene vessel
You're either balanced around the legendary, in which case you feel bad without, or you're not balanced while using the legendary and it feels cheesy
serene vessel
Do you just log out when it takes 1.5 seconds for a summon? lol
I don't summon people obviously
fading sky
Slayer can stun and interrupt in bladestorm
serene vessel
I was obviously joking there though, it's about the combat.
serene vessel
So wtf u on about?
I swear warrior players cannot read
fading sky
We can, but it makes no sense
serene vessel
fading sky
If theres a far off caster. U should not bladestorm
heady saffron
Do you just log out when it takes 1.5 seconds for a summon? lol
me crying about the 5sec cast to swap flying styles
serene vessel
Sorry, forgot I need to run my likes and dislikes through the fury discord so they can approve them
heady saffron
all good
dense elbow
me crying about the 5sec cast to swap flying styles
to this day, I dont know why it isnt just a toggle
fading sky
Its 2.5 sec basicly 2 globals
Kitty what if ppl started spam swapping
Prob burn a server down😅
heady saffron
if i run out of vigor i wanna use a normie mount till they come back not afk for 5mins or cast 5sec inbetween cuz im bad at managing the resource
fading sky
Punishment for being bad seems fair
heady saffron
but the spectral otter cant fly at all if u have dragonriding active
figured id be able to get around it
fading sky
It can fly?
raw magnet
<:gladge:963970137701109820> Ah, the arms players back to complain about Fury b...
thematically bladestorm makes more sense for fury than arms change my mind
graceful ruin
thematically bladestorm makes more sense for fury than arms change my mind
but that doesn't fit into my misinformed opinion that i will defend by mentioning it is my opinion (sound argument)
so like
raw magnet
I respect your opinion, for sure
that isnt warrior behavior
heady saffron
We will just agree to disagree
i disagree
brittle crow
do we know if the dragonflight meta achieve can be completed after tww 🥺
blizz refuses to open the fishing hole i need
serene vessel
https://tenor.com/view/blademaster-warcraft3-wc3-gif-15191205
Blade dancer wasn't a warrior
He uses mirror image
dense elbow
Blade dancer?
heady saffron
blizz refuses to open the fishing hole i need
i havei havent seen grimtusk's in like 3 months
brittle crow
i havei havent seen grimtusk's in like 3 months
LITERALLY WHAT IM WAITING FOR
COME ON
serene vessel
Shamans confirmed
dense elbow
I fail to see your point
serene vessel
I don't really have one
dense elbow
Just accept that Blademasters are warriors, dont worry
dense elbow
Whatever you need to tell yourself to sleep at night
pearl sequoia
i dont sleep at night im actually a 500 year old vampire
sullen dove
bait used to be believable
brittle crow
i dont sleep at night im actually a 500 year old vampire
remilia touhou
pure cairn
what's the prio inside spear?
do i wanna odyn as early as possible or as long as I get it in the window it doesn't matter etc.
flat river
Bro wtf is this
This guy is cooking WORSE than what i cook
There can only be one bad chef, leave.
pure cairn
me? xd
flat river
Not u
covert blaze
do i wanna odyn as early as possible or as long as I get it in the window it doe...
You want to space it from avatar
pure cairn
You want to space it from avatar
oh yah ofc that makes sense
pure cairn
<@295181982927683584> u all good <3
<33
covert blaze
So a couple of seconds after spear, like 2 or 3 gcds after to make odyns fury dot pandemic at 1~ second
flat river
Bro came to yap about fury getting bladestorm, just use ravager then if you're so mad about slayer and bladestorm
Ravager+Thane is for u no worries
Just don't cry when you're not on the meters
Oh and btw u don't need to interrupt far away targets
Just use stormbolt while bladestorming
heady saffron
i use my bladestorm window to cast battle shout
junior gale
stormbolt for dmg
mossy fox
covert blaze
You can't wrecking throw during BS right?
heady saffron
shit u right
brittle crow
stormbolt for dmg!
covert blaze
POG you can taunt in BS
You do that anyway in a m+ opener feels likw
junior gale
yeah popping cds as fury is basically an aoe taunt
heady saffron
so what if the key loses 5 seconds from me dying i did big dam for that 2seconds :O
junior gale
everytime I get a bad tank in my key It makes me just wanna leave the dungeon
ill be waiting for 20 sec into the pull pop cds and still get all the agro
heady saffron
i didnt interupt much but still 2dh and apally- only 4 interrupts outside of me
wasnt a fun azure vault
covert blaze
ill be waiting for 20 sec into the pull pop cds and still get all the agro
too real
stuck moat
I'm new to Fury and had a couple questions. First question, when looking at the rotation priority list is it correct to waste Bloodbath as long as Crushing Blow is on CD and I have enough rage to Rampage? (Assuming we're in the TWW and don't have S4 4-set)
summer quail
I'm new to Fury and had a couple questions. First question, when looking at the ...
Cb>bb>rampage
brittle crow
yes
hardy shuttle
I'm new to Fury and had a couple questions. First question, when looking at the ...
you want to use both cb and bb before pressing rampage again. you get 1 charge of each
next canopy
restive peak
Noone knows, they made partitions now for S4 and prepatch
real birch
been running augury in m+ but it seems kinda lame is there any better trinks? got puzzlebox and augury rn
dense elbow
statsticks are always just neato value
junior gale
Augury aint a statstick but yeah passive trinkets are nice
junior gale
dusty abyss
Fury is the best right?
real birch
I suggested a statstick as a replacement
like an OCE or somethin?
dense elbow
Oce works for sure
wanton mirage
Fury is the best right?
Yes
real birch
bold of you to assume I ever got the leggo.
eternal canopy
anybody got meatcleaver weakaura
prisma monolith
Hi there, new to fury and have a quick question about the single target rotation priority. The wowhead guide says this in the priority list:
Enrage using Rampage, Tenderize, or Bloodthirst, if the buff is not currently active
When I compared the list against the APL from Hekili, it recommends using Rampage even when Enrage is already active.
It seems like Rampage should be used even when Enrage is already active. Is that right? Shouldn't the priority list include this use of Rampage?
modest condor
it does when you select the talents you're using
prisma monolith
Ahh I see now, thank you!
gilded pawn
never doubt hekili
modest condor
hekili tor edition
ornate gust
Will the hero talents change our current rotation in TWW?
summer quail
Will the hero talents change our current rotation in TWW?
a little bit ye, for example mountain thane will press tc on st
trim canyon
Are TWW m+ dungeons as bad for melee as people have been saying?
summer quail
Are TWW m+ dungeons as bad for melee as people have been saying?
yes
they made mists slightly more tolerable but it's still bad
meager gyro
what stat prio yall following for keys ?
a little of everything
calm mantle
Are we currently using 2 piece s4 2 piece s3?
edgy widget
you can, but you don't have to
calm mantle
Ah okay, will stick to 4p I guess. Um how important is it to be geared before expac? Like should I bother grinding out some gear now to make it easier or no need?
sturdy raft
So I just did the tww pre patch and got it to 70 and I am seeing multiple options to choose from, what gear pieces should I get from this as a fury warrior?
junior gale
Ah okay, will stick to 4p I guess. Um how important is it to be geared before ex...
no gear is not really a big deal between expansions. Just means while your lvling things will be easier and you wont replace gear prob closer to 80
nice to have but no where near important at all
calm mantle
Good to know, thank you.
tranquil wyvern
Question, is it easy to play fury and perform fine? Looking for an easy off spec when playing a tank class
young swan
Question, is it easy to play fury and perform fine? Looking for an easy off spec...
yeah, fury is prob one of the most intuitive and easy to get used to specs out there
wanton mirage
If you like to play tank, prot is also in good shape to enter tww.
tranquil wyvern
What about gearing, i’m at 470 ilvl now.. what would be a good threshold to aim for prior release? For smooth dmg (no tier so far)
tranquil wyvern
If you like to play tank, prot is also in good shape to enter tww.
Yup, now planning for BDK and Pwar
wanton mirage
What about gearing, i’m at 470 ilvl now.. what would be a good threshold to aim ...
You should be able to level thorough 70-80 with 415 gear 
So 470 is good enough
You gonna replace them all a few levels anyway
junior gale
What about gearing, i’m at 470 ilvl now.. what would be a good threshold to aim ...
if you got gear from the prepatch event you can turn them into tier with the creation catalyst.
tranquil wyvern
if you got gear from the prepatch event you can turn them into tier with the cre...
I didn’t play since i killed Raszageth, i will research this
Thanks mate
junior gale
hmm If I remember yeah the catalyst didnt come out till like a couple months after the start of S1
but if you played at the end of SL its the exact same
midnight loom
The prepatch event gets you to 480 in all slots anyway and then you can just upgrade four pieces to tier
I also did some M0s to scoop some 493 pieces and got enough Sparks to make one crafted 502 piece. So I definitely feel ready to level now! Just gotta decide if Fury is my Main or not 😅
It seems super fun in M+, not sure how it’ll play in ST raid though
heady saffron
i just use my m+ setup in raid
ebon cedar
does odin's fury benefit from titan's torment avatar?
sullen dove
ya
heady saffron
clever belfry
pros:
- its not arms
unreal onyx
pros:
- Woyer
gleaming siren
cons:
- It's not Legs
clever belfry
cons:
- It's not Legs
legs spec is dead
rustic haven
I was wondering why they didnt just make the Mountain Thane SMF spec
for once they could make some love for one-handers 😦
rustic haven
Ever since cataclysm never
covert geode
hello recklessness or avatar first ? in the guide they sayd recklessness, but in the net some poeple sayf avatar for 10 sec uptime ? can anyone confirm me pls
i dont understand i play 4p s4 have 496 ilvl and have 108k dps in mono dumy
i folow the cycle but i dont do more dps 😦
hardy shuttle
You want to recklessness first. So the odyns that avatar casts gets the crit buff. And avatar generates more rage.
pearl sequoia
hello recklessness or avatar first ? in the guide they sayd recklessness, but in...
Rek --> Charge --> boom boom boom
dense elbow
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
dapper forge
Hi 🙂 Coming back to wow retail after a break. Is there an "opener" sequence i can find somewhere? Im using the wowhead guide 🙂 ty
dapper forge
WoWhead guide got you cowered
Thank u. prob not searching it well... i will do so now 🙂. Found it... i'm dumb.. 😛
dense elbow
zug zug
dapper forge
Ok 1 more dumb question sry... 😛 Wtf is "Bloodbath" and "Crushing Blow". Unable to see em in my Talents or Spellbook...
unreal shell
When you're enraged, Raging Blow becomes Crushing Blow and Bloodthirst becomes Bloodbath
bitter palm
When you're enraged, Raging Blow becomes Crushing Blow and Bloodthirst becomes B...
no it's after pressing rampage
with reckless abandon talented
dapper forge
Ohhh.... tysm 🙂
twilit harbor
Is there much of a gap between powerful and frenzied enrage? The extended uptime is cool and all but I prefer to smashy smash the buttons
modest condor
no there isnt
dense elbow
Kinda a 'what you prefer' question, really - powerful edges out on minmaxing burst ofc; and frenzied at overall
I play frenzied, as I am just too used to it to ever go back
twilit harbor
Excellent
twilit harbor
Kinda a 'what you prefer' question, really - powerful edges out on minmaxing bur...
And I agree, not my fury without it 😭
clever belfry
egg
coarse nest
<:gladge:963970137701109820>
Yes
coarse nest
eternal sundial
why 7
eternal sundial
lmao
i think i bullied fire neck, 2 rings, cloak, torch+echo trinket, council wep and fyrakk 1h on my shaman
which is crazy haul imo
huge gains
bleak trench
Are they keeping boullion system in s1?
haughty cloud
So one major thing I’m looking forward to is AoE packs in m+ but I’ve read a lot about pulling aggro when using cooldowns X_X this makes me sad
Do we really not get to use our CDs? Or just have to wait until the back end of the pull? Will play mostly pugs and I’m dooming right now
craggy river
i mean
pearl sequoia
Just dont pop cds on pull i guess
craggy river
u use ur CDs and die after
haughty cloud
u use ur CDs and die after
Dooming intensifies
hollow valley
CD shockwave pray
haughty cloud
Damn so if I don’t want to pull aggro and die I either lose a bunch or AoE dps or I have to go ST build ?
craggy river
nah its not that bad
haughty cloud
😞
craggy river
hold CDs till tank got aggro from all, wait like 10 secs with CDs and then nuke
haughty cloud
Oh lord at what key level do packs live for more than 10 seconds
Haven’t played since shadowlands, think the most I did was around +12
craggy river
idk, in prepatch 15s it works without problems
haughty cloud
ST mountain thane here I come for low keys I guess 🤮
Also is fury still chaotically mouseover executing at the end of pulls? That shit always made me crazy in shadowlands trying to find execute targets even with plater was hard for me because there were always a few mobs outside of executing and I seemed to have a hard time missing those
Whirlwind, execute, rampage to end pulls back then, assume it’s still the same?
vocal python
if i have asscandi should that be in my MH or OH? raidbots is putting it in OH
dense salmon
Are there any rotation guides for TWW fury with hero talents out yet?
modest condor
if i have asscandi should that be in my MH or OH? raidbots is putting it in OH
highest ilvl in mainhand, if they're the same ilvl it doesnt matter
vocal python
highest ilvl in mainhand, if they're the same ilvl it doesnt matter
ty
brittle crow
Whirlwind, execute, rampage to end pulls back then, assume it’s still the same?
execute good
it simply takes prio over rb and bt
calm mantle
Coming back to wow after a break and fury warrior slapping makes me happy.
brittle crow
but not over cb and bb
timid forge
coffee just isnt getting me jacked up and ready for the day so i figured if i wasnt jacked then you arent either so here u go !!!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk&list=PLA27UkofjNQScQPZWYtkMw3gUHwZ15Hl-&index=7
dense elbow
I always love 
pure breach
Gold days
bitter palm
ok but imagine
RA buffs Execute or both bt and rb
would go crazy
call it guillotine make it hit extremely hard
and buff am or something 
brittle crow
call it guillotine make it hit extremely hard
and it still does less than arms or prot
dense elbow
I rather just imagine execute shinging and being the button to press
brittle crow
xd
bitter palm
and it still does less than arms or prot
arms does less than prot
colossus arms
slayer does more
im fine with that
cuz
arms exe has no cd
dense elbow
Fury Slayer execute does more than arms execute? doubt, but I will take your word for it
dense elbow
Fury, 113k; Prot 328k; Arms, 135k
devout totem
first time seeing my class name in the group title 
bitter palm
ive seen it a few times in high keys
usually like
rogue monk
type beat
and it never ends well
dense elbow
Just join groups only marked as "Warriors"
upper jay
miaauw
dense elbow
Not going to lie, Arms execute beign 135k makes me sad
bitter palm
blame juggernaut
dense elbow
I wont blame jugg for that
I will blame the arms players who cry about execute phase being too important for arms, instead.
coarse nest
How in the hell does Dev make it into my top M+ comp for season 4
I dont even recall more than like 2 keys with a dev lmao
bitter palm
I will blame the arms players who cry about execute phase being too important fo...
hard to explain to them
that doing good damage
throughout the fight is better
and a lot healthier
for the spec
bitter palm
we should gain damage in execute but not 30-40%
coarse nest
Its because going from mid to top damage in the last 1:30 of the fight is a dopamine rush
no other way about it
dense elbow
If it is lower than 30%, why even have an execute phase?
bitter palm
we dont have a proper filler outside of exe
coarse nest
I personally am very happy when im the single most op spec in the game during the last 35% of the bosses hp
i want to double everyone elses damage during execute
Paw hates it but its enjoyable
dense elbow
Gotta love moment of glory profiles, be it burst or phases.
Flat is dead boring gameplay
sour frigate
first time seeing my class name in the group title <:keks:936231610850897992>
ive seen "fdk" often still applied as fury and get inv 😎
fury dk 
tired violet
have yall heard underoaths new song
sour frigate
no
drowsy iron
wtf 2015 called
sour frigate
im listening to fury music
drowsy iron
funny how music is the ultimate nostalgia
i can like remember who i was hanging w at that time
drowsy iron
yea
jovial coral
Nah he plays all the time
turbid needle
oh
jovial coral
Just not wow
jovial coral
Yes
turbid needle
holy
golden hare
what the hell is this slander
tired violet
were talking about feeding the geese
golden hare
the geese can feed themselves
red berry
im listening to fury music <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
fury music is cbat
tired violet
im listening to fury music <a:chatting:1266019851743399996>
arent you supposed to be listening to Alex Terrible or something
manic pelican
Pretty sure you need metal core to play fury at max adrenaline rush
sour frigate
arent you supposed to be listening to Alex Terrible or something
never heard about him
tired violet
never heard about him
hes the singer of slaughter to prevail
sour frigate
Pretty sure you need metal core to play fury at max adrenaline rush
powermetal/trashmetal
golden hare
j pop
manic pelican
Oh lawd @golden hare blasting babymetal during exe phase
golden hare
not a huge fan of babymetal
dense elbow
Why would you blast special music for execute phase?
It aint even really a thing anymore either way
It all just sadness
tired violet
execute does feel like trash on fury lol
dense elbow
"here comes execute phase! ... wait, what do you mean I dont press execute?"
tired violet
bs offhand does more than execute rofl
tired violet
dense elbow
Ofc exe is low, cause we dont prio it
do a run where you prio it and it will be higher on the list
tired violet
i know
sour frigate
Why would you blast special music for execute phase?
dense elbow
https://tenor.com/view/raccoon-rave-dance-gif-15389662957248741331
God I wish there was a reason to blast that during exe phase
brittle crow
not a huge fan of babymetal
disappointing!
golden hare
i'm really good at that!
manic pelican
Always been a big fan of Gojira Stranded for a fight hype song
tired violet
lil uzi made a song with babymetal rofl
manic pelican
Oh ya I forgot about that
errant vessel
call it guillotine make it hit extremely hard
This + SS being procced on Execute
also make Execute get used in Bladestorm instead of BT
modest condor
they dont need to make every interaction also work with execute
it has its own things already
it just needs to be tuned better
sage cloak
Question! Im sorry if it has been asked but I see hte rotation for fury warriors. My question is, if my rampage is up for use, but i still have a stack of crushing blow/bloodbath left. but full rage, do i want to cast rampage to avoid overcapping rage, or should I prio bloodbath/crushing blow?
valid drum
After the most recent hot fixes, it seems that warrior tuning is done.
tired violet
i wanna know why our burst is so high
like whats the point if its not sustained
i feel like a ret pally in SL
or MM hunter
vocal python
like whats the point if its not sustained
shhhh, so they dont nerf us
valid drum
It's high cause Odin's fury and S3 2p
tired violet
waits 10 seconds before doing any damage on pull, still pulls aggro
valid drum
Question! Im sorry if it has been asked but I see hte rotation for fury warriors...
If you're not capped yet, go for bb, but don't take my word for it. I always face the same conundrum.
tired violet
It's high cause Odin's fury and S3 2p
im on s4 tier
valid drum
*waits 10 seconds before doing any damage on pull*, still pulls aggro
Seems like tank issue
tired violet
i pull aggro before i even BS
valid drum
Was playing around with some prot keys yesterday, out of some small mobs, aggro wasn't tanta big of a ideal with the fury guy
modest condor
i mean, aggro doesnt have to be an issue
but the average pug is pretty fucking bad
errant vessel
How much did he burst?
modest condor
so expect to pull aggro
valid drum
And he wasn't nice enough to wait anything.
valid drum
How much did he burst?
Dunno didn't check, dude was 3.2k, he couldn't be that bad, could he?
modest condor
i pulled 3mil burst with my normal tank and had no issues, meanwhile in a pug i wait more than 5 seconds and still pull aggro on the whole pack
valid drum
i pull aggro before i even BS
I've also found ravager better to play than BS
tired violet
I've also found ravager better to play than BS
ravager is ass, imo
errant vessel
Dunno didn't check, dude was 3.2k, he couldn't be that bad, could he?
Ye I had a 3.7k ret doing 620k overall in RLP yesterday
valid drum
Ret players seem to be taking it hard about losing their range
modest condor
prepatch has just skewed stuff a bit
tired violet
wait, rets lost their range?
eternal sundial
Ye
tired violet
good
eternal sundial
No more long arms
valid drum
Everyone did
eternal sundial
Fuck em
valid drum
Ye I had a 3.7k ret doing 620k overall in RLP yesterday
The tough part is that it also depends on the tank
tired violet
The tough part is that it also depends on the tank
yeah tank and group comp
valid drum
And the fact that it's also Tyr week and a ret who's specced for aoe will do shit st
errant vessel
I just pop Enraged Regen the second I see anything aggro me
Because I know more will follow
tired violet
ive been popping it everytime i have cds up so i dont have to worry about it lol
valid drum
Nelf looking good, lol
tired violet
they should give us something like tricks
errant vessel
I think some intimidation factor built into OF would be fitting
Or maybe just a class talent for less aggro idk
dense elbow
ppl complaining about threat again?
El sigh
Play with a decent tank, wait for his setup to go off - gg ez wp, no issues
calm mantle
Anyone know how to make my dps details show my actual damage like the second details box? DPS just shows "-95k" and stuff not my actual damage values
tired violet
ppl complaining about threat again?
El sigh
Play with a decent tank, wait for hi...
its hit or miss, alot of people pug alot
errant vessel
Ye also seems like we have the issue more than others
tired violet
Anyone know how to make my dps details show my actual damage like the second det...
do damage done instead of damage overall, also dynamic overall damage
errant vessel
Idk if there’s something wrong with how OF generates aggro
dense elbow
dont call a thing a problem, if we dont really have a problem
It will only end with our burst being cut to appease the loudmouths
tired violet
yeah knowing blizz theyll nerf us instead of fixing the problem
calm mantle
I've only stolen aggro like twice tonight in 4 keys. Doesn't seem like a big issue.
errant vessel
What key level are you guys doing
dense elbow
If problem is we do too big of a burst, for the avg player to be able to play around it (aka wait for setup), then only solution is to nerf the burst and spread it around
tired violet
like nerf the burst and give us more sustained?
eternal sundial
like nerf the burst and give us more sustained?
I mean the burst CDs are generally a good fix to fury aoe
calm mantle
What key level are you guys doing
I've beeing doing 7-10's.
eternal sundial
Where St tuning directly buffs aoe n shit
errant vessel
I've beeing doing 7-10's.
That’s what I’m doing as well
dense elbow
https://tenor.com/view/deal-damn-good-deal-good-deal-id-make-that-deal-gif-27676...
you are Franz in this scenario.
tired violet
I've beeing doing 7-10's.
keys in this range have like 502 ilvl tanks
errant vessel
I perma pull aggro if I don’t wait at least 10 seconds
eternal sundial
keys in this range have like 502 ilvl tanks
Depends tbh
It's between sub 500 and 529
calm mantle
keys in this range have like 502 ilvl tanks
I've only stolen aggro in one key. The rest have been fine aggro wise.
calm ermine
Which addons is this?
eternal sundial
Generally lower end tho
valid drum
I thought things would just die instantly on Tyr weeks on that key range
tired violet
Depends tbh
yeah sometimes youll get an amazing one, it just depends on who has the key i guess
errant vessel
I’m 500 ilvl myself, so shouldn’t be an issue with the low ilvl tanks
calm ermine
rofl
tired violet
I've only stolen aggro in one key. The rest have been fine aggro wise.
whats your ilvl
valid drum
14-16 haven't had that much agroing problem, so it's just a tank diff
valid drum
I’m 500 ilvl myself, so shouldn’t be an issue with the low ilvl tanks
More like a skill issue than ilvl.on their part
calm mantle
whats your ilvl
526, I'm pulling 1-2m dps on my bursts depending on pulls and how much I ape.
errant vessel
Ye ig all the good tanks are already past 12 keys
eternal sundial
Idk why youd play any keys now tbf
tired violet
526, I'm pulling 1-2m dps on my bursts depending on pulls and how much I ape.
yeah its just weird, because youll burst for 2.5m in a big pack but itll be like half of that when the pull is dead rofl
modest condor
Idk why youd play any keys now tbf
i played some to practice new rotation
calm mantle
yeah its just weird, because youll burst for 2.5m in a big pack but itll be like...
Hey I'm enjoying it much more then the start of this season when I was pulling 1m a big pack and 400k on average packs
errant vessel
Ye I’m also just practicing rotation
tired violet
Hey I'm enjoying it much more then the start of this season when I was pulling 1...
i want to say itll be close if not more than now once we hit 80, but maybe tanks will just be able to generate more threat
i had this one tank in an RLP call me a "dps hunter" because i kept ripping aggro from him
he was from Azralon 
dense elbow
9/10 times the tank is at fault
99/100 tanks dont know or care how to build snapthreat
eternal sundial
i played some to practice new rotation
Ive done so maybe 3/4 weeks ago but at this point im so over the shitty df keys
Expac too close to play old rat content idk
modest condor
true the dungeons suck
errant vessel
Only dungeon I’ll be missing a bit is Nokhud (not the wiping on last boss though)
tranquil wyvern
Whats a good guide to follow, i dont seem to like WH guides recently
tired violet
Ive done so maybe 3/4 weeks ago but at this point im so over the shitty df keys
yeah everyone rat alt is playing keys atm
will our legendary remain in effect while leveling?
or does it go away in the new zone
past pivot
Likely to go away
haughty cloud
I wonder if ST build is better for us in M+ if aggro pulling and dying to trash is an issue. Maybe focus more on boss damage?
polar narwhal
Itemlevel dps
haughty cloud
But is that even fury gameplay at that point
summer quail
will our legendary remain in effect while leveling?
prob goes away at level 71
tired violet
same with tier set im guessing?
haughty cloud
Start m+ in Slayer/BS, die to pulling aggro more than twice, swap to Ravager Thane for remainder of key?
summer quail
Start m+ in Slayer/BS, die to pulling aggro more than twice, swap to Ravager Tha...
nahh, if you're that worried about aggro just play thane from the start
grizzled shard
now that wrath and fury has been somewhat fixed, do we take it in our builds now or is it not worth it?
summer quail
now that wrath and fury has been somewhat fixed, do we take it in our builds now...
we take
tired violet
nahh, if you're that worried about aggro just play thane from the start
def going to give thane a try, it looks cooler than slayer
past pivot
Level as Thayer, go Slayer when you hit final ding
tired violet
yeah most likely
quartz lichen
Heh, Thayer
rancid blade
https://tenor.com/view/thor-thor-infinity-war-gif-25139201
Finally my Name can be played well. Like a true thunderGod 😅
turbid needle
me personally
i am littleting
how about you guys_
hello?
@runic pine
archimtiros what is the best overall build
eternal sundial
xdding
golden hare
archimtiros what is the best overall build
warlock i think (soda knows)
haughty cloud
Clap replaces WW in thane but it has a 6 sec cooldown so then thane actually still has to hit WW sometimes eh
For filler
Imp WW talents meat cleaver etc
eternal lance
brittle phoenix
warlock i think (soda knows)
Hi goat
golden hare
hey babe 
sullen cloak
Now that wrath and fury has been fixed, is it worth going back to that ,
brittle phoenix
Please come back
No can do, recently came back to the game and joined my old guild since they needed a warrior
Love you guys tho
keen kindle
covert blaze
warlock i think (soda knows)
erga cameo
golden hare
what the hell is this
golden hare
erga cameo <:erga:1225875048590737460>
golden hare
why
sullen dove
idk
golden hare
skyhold too?
brittle phoenix
Nah it’s a separate thing
nova smelt
is RB or BT higher prio for Slayer fury
sullen dove
probably rb but you hit both pretty often anyway
bt every like 4-5 globals i think i saw arch say to maybe get some reap the storm procs
but like rb buffing crit of next bt is big good
hearty bramble
any recomendation on trinket to test fury on beta ?
hearty bramble
these are the two that most are running
Yah that what i thought too
still ember
Builds recommended in wowhead for m+ fury seems to be a bit wacky, or am I missing something? Why would one choose Rumbling Earth over Seismic Reverberation?
hearty bramble
anyone saw if the weapons without the strength is worth using ?
hardy shuttle
Builds recommended in wowhead for m+ fury seems to be a bit wacky, or am I missi...
because ww doesnt really do any damage.
hardy shuttle
anyone saw if the weapons without the strength is worth using ?
i hit the dummy with the polearm for like 5 mins straight and it was a little worse than similar ilvl str weapon. but probably wait for the robot
still ember
Yeah, but it still is an overall increase - I'd argue that it's more valuable than increased range from shockwave
hardy shuttle
reduced cd is the main thing for rumbling
still ember
fair enough. Utility vs. small damage increase is case specific though. How about in the fury tree where one point is invested in vicious contempt instead of picking wrath and fury?
hardy shuttle
wrath and fury was bugged until like 3 days ago. but it doesnt seem to make that big of a difference in dps which you take to me. id just run the sim.
lean tulip
Hello started to read my talent and whats the point taking "cruelty" instead of wrath and fury on the talent tree
warm crag
Yeah, but it still is an overall increase - I'd argue that it's more valuable th...
ww damage increase is so tiny that it is extremely dented to pick it over any util
its 1 extra ww tick that does 30% of a ww ticks damage
warm crag
fair enough. Utility vs. small damage increase is case specific though. How abou...
i know wrath and fury was bugged and didnt work for a while, guide mightve been written before that was fixed, but also from looking at m+ tracking websites this does just seem like the build that ppl are playing
dark ice
How did we, as community ever accept the fact that blizzard is just gonna reuse old dungeons and sell it to us for 50bucks and monthly 13...thats just insane to me
azure meadow
Because doing the same 8 dungeons every season for years a la shadowlands sucked
dark ice
then make more new dungeons
azure meadow
Fair
dark ice
legion had 14 dungeons
azure meadow
Would involve new zones, new stories to get there, idk. It doesn't bother me personally
warm crag
you're still getting new dungeons lol
iron portal
Even shadowlands got new ones halfway through
fading sky
i mean
did u not play DF ?
we had new dungeons as well
id rather have better tuned dungeons and some older ones we have 20 years of dungeons
or well mby 18
dark ice
holy, you're even defending blizz...thats just insane
fading sky
idm playing them again in a m+ fashion
waste of content not playing older dungeons again imho at least
iron portal
Because doing the same 8 dungeons every season for years a la shadowlands sucked
I was mostly reacting to this
warm crag
holy, you're even defending blizz...thats just insane
if you're gonna criticize blizz do it for something worth criticizing
no point in proccing random things to get mad at
fading sky
what he wants realisticly is 8 new dungeons every season ?
dark ice
brainwashed community, what did I expect
fading sky
like i mean ofc all of us would like that amount of content in theory
but the amount of storylines
and other content they would have to add
would be rather insane 😄
latent hedge
how dare blizzard try to use the unique situation of having 20 years of content 😠
warm crag
How did we, as community ever accept the fact that blizzard is just gonna reuse ...
wdym brainwashed? you are literally receiving the exact same amt of new dungeons and raids you've been getting for like at least 5-6 years
there are genuinely good things to pick at and criticize but reworking and reissuing some old dungeons isnt one of them
iron portal
I think he woke up and chose violence today
lean tulip
Hello started to read my talent and whats the point taking "cruelty" instead of...
Oh and another question does getting recklessness from rampage also regenerate 50 rage from recklessness abandon ?
oblique trail
Oh and another question does getting recklessness from rampage also regenerate 5...
You only get 50 rage when you use the actual Recklessness
warm crag
@oblique trail shrink ray
oblique trail
@warm crag growing ray
lean tulip
You only get 50 rage when you use the actual Recklessness
Oh ok thats why the last talent is kinda trash thx
warm crag
damn !!!
fading sky
wdym brainwashed? you are literally receiving the exact same amt of new dungeons...
i mean the price of wow is dropping alot in my country vs the cost of living ngl bout that
but again, should not be an excuse, but i do think that SL and DF at least had some decent dungeons
but DF reusing dungeons gave us more fun seasons
sullen dove
average gdx yap sesh
fading sky
anything that can free us from a season 4
lofty delta
I'm so impatient for release now.
sullen dove
4 more days…
lofty delta
Even if that means I have to start playing prot
lofty delta
M+
iron portal
Oh god its actually that close
sullen dove
real
lofty delta
There aren't enough tanks, prot is good, easy invites, wanna push higher, people want tanks therefore prot
lofty delta
I love me fury and I'll be raiding as DPS, but m+ might as well take the easy path
sullen dove
I do typically end up tanking a lot of early season keys for my guild too just to get groups going
Not a huge fan of it but at least with MT sounds like it’ll be kinda fun
eternal sundial
prot thane cums hard
iron portal
Phil...
lofty delta
He do be right tho
iron portal
Im still disturbed by this psyduck guy and his words
In any case, If i resist this release...I might be free forever
sullen dove
cringe how xpac launches like the day my college classes start again…
iron portal
They set you up
sullen dove
what if they just… idk release massive content updates at the beginning of summer? So ppl could degen enjoy them a lot more
Dawn trail released like beginning of July or something I think
iron portal
you are wow player
sullen dove
smh wow mid
iron portal
You have no summer
lofty delta
There are less players during summer on avg
So they don't like releasing new stuff there
Holidays are likely, sun is out, people touch grass
Sadly non grass touchers aren't numerous enough
sullen dove
Idk I feel like itd be far more likely to have more “breaks” in the summer than other times of year
Ofc ppl still need to work and like people might go on vacations and stuff
just seems like it’d be more time to game
happens ig
iron portal
this way at least you will have kinda chill christmas
Cause raid will be out long enough at that point
heady saffron
i bought giga edition but probably wont play till real launch since my friend works that whole weekend :(
iron portal
Wait how much was that edition
iron portal
God
heady saffron
basically all that was in it was beta access which i didnt use, 3day early access, month of gametime, and some cosmetics
junior gale
3 day early access is an omega scam but understandable if bought purely for beta
heady saffron
i bought purely for the cosmetics and the month of game time
although it is kinda weird to have early access in an mmo kinda paygates realmfirsts and shit
🤷
junior gale
Realm first hasn't been a thing since mop
heady saffron
oh? did they stop giving out feat of strengths and shit for them? i never make it far launch day to tell :P
iron portal
Its just enabling that shitty strategy companies starting to normalize lately
junior gale
Yeah they stopped doing those achievements a long time ago
heady saffron
yah i noticed most games have been upcharging the giga editions with early access even for single player games lol
heady saffron
Yeah they stopped doing those achievements a long time ago
oh ok so it doesnt matter whatsoever just fomo
iron portal
Communities still do World first max level sometimes
I remember one for BFA, my memory is bit hazy for SL and DF
junior gale
Yeah just fomo not even good fomo cuz you can't do any heroic dungeons or weeklies
So your paying early access to just lvl sooner
It's so pointless
heady saffron
only thing would be taking advantage of early herb/ore farming
and trying to make gold off those
heady saffron
me with 200k gold cant buy any of the cool gold vendor shit :(
junior gale
Shoulda spent that extra money from the deluxe addition on wow tokens
unreal onyx
gold vendor?
heady saffron
yah theres a few vendors with a bunch of expensive cosmetics and mounts
only ones ive looked in were dalaran, bfa, and the one in valdrakken
unreal onyx
I only know of the 2mil spider and the "new" bmah seller lady
heady saffron
but they took away the ah dino from the bfa vendor
unreal onyx
I bought everything from the bmah lady
heady saffron
and i think there was a bauble worm vendor somewhere in shadowlands
collectibles ill never be able to get cuz i suck at making gold
junior gale
Valdrakken gold vendor has some cool weapons
heady saffron
😔
do proffessions even do anything for player power anymore? i kinda been mining/engi the last 20 years
unreal onyx
I like the polearm and mount
heady saffron
but didnt like the dragonflight proffession system
unreal onyx
and I don't even use any other mount than anurelos
heady saffron
🔥 🦉
junior gale
I'm forced to use fire owl because it acts as advertisement for owl mount selling
junior gale
So I can swap off it
unreal onyx
wait I am wrong
I use the otter but only in BH
fun fact, you can use the otter to dive under the m+ key starting dome
and have a 5s advantage
heady saffron
lol neat
unreal onyx
jump off the dock to the left and dive under
modest condor
you dont need an otter for that
modest condor
i mean even without mount you're still faster than if you just wait for the bubble to disappear
but i guess if the otter has swim speed bonus it has an advantage
unreal onyx
you are faster with otter 100%
I do it every BH key
5s faster than waiting for bubble to disappear
heady saffron
season ends tuesday or xpac launch?
i gotta do my azure vault 10 for portal before then still lol
sullen dove
wonder if raids still give drops
Just walk in to fyrakk as lvl 80 in early access
dunk on him
free mount
(for 2 ppl)
unreal onyx
drop chance will propably be lowered to 1% again once tww drops
junior gale
Don't they lower the mount drop rate after the season is over
lofty delta
They didn't for season 4
unreal onyx
bc it was still active but "passive" since non-awakened
lofty delta
For weeks you could kill unawakened Fyrakk for 100% mount drops
unreal onyx
I guess
modest condor
Just walk in to fyrakk as lvl 80 in early access
you'd be surprised
junior gale
Could be because season 4 is different
modest condor
im pretty sure the only real advantage being lvl 80 gives you is more hp
considering the ilvl restrictions during early access
lofty delta
More main stat no?
modest condor
and significantly less secondary stat
lofty delta
Fair
modest condor
like im currently sitting on something like 30% 35% 70% 35%, fresh lvl 80 is gonna be like 10% 10% 20% 5%
modest condor
when we were working on the apl we were testing with ilvl 573 gear (higher than you can get during early access) and we were simming in the 550-600k range
lofty delta
Tbf, with the leveling the slowdown will feel natural
sullen dove
Psure it like Ramps last few levels
iron portal
It never feels natural
modest condor
i mean mythic s4 gear is basically lvl 78-79 gear
sullen dove
Ya
modest condor
you might get like 30 ilvls over current gear in early access
but you lose so much secondary %
lofty delta
I thought we were gonna be looking at like ilvl 600 at lvl80?
lofty delta
What do normal dungs drop? Im not logged in to check
modest condor
yeah normal dungeons drop ilvl 554
edgy widget
If they dont turn tier sets off is there even much reason to swap xD
not till pretty late
lofty delta
Well, at least i won't have to worry about mog xD
unreal onyx
normal tww dung weapons are propably insta-better than leggo I assume?
edgy widget
I didn't see anything implying the lego would turn off, but they almost certainly will if it becomes problematic
modest condor
legendary in offhand is worth like 40 ilvls or something
edgy widget
probably more of an issue for Fury because of the OH
yeah, Arms will replace it quicker for raw wdam
lofty delta
That will be incredibly funny
modest condor
same thing happened with gavel
lofty delta
And I hope it happens
modest condor
we were gonna use it all the way to m0 until they turned it off
unreal onyx
gavel my beloved
lofty delta
Gavel?
latent hedge
the true legendary for STR
iron portal
Weird way to put it
lofty delta
As far as I've been told, only people with no life stuck around for shadowlands
lofty delta
I skipped BFA and SL so I have no idea
iron portal
Well SL was afterlife...so ofc you cant have life
lofty delta
Truuuu
lofty delta
The moment the faction war came back after the great unification in legion I just noped the fuck out
It was so forced and bullshit
Plus the gcd changes
sullen cloak
What do you think good leveling trinkets will be for fury for the first few levels?
I am thinking something that perhaps just flat boosts Strength?
Maybe Manic Grief torch?
modest condor
2 passive trinkets
latent hedge
(everyone that could use it used it)
including the guardian druids!
edgy widget
What do you think good leveling trinkets will be for fury for the first few leve...
like silm said, almost certainly 2 passive trinkets - especially if you're going in well geared, you're gonna decimate stuff with OF alone - you'll hardly need cooldowns, much less trinkets on top
nelths would be a good choice
sullen cloak
I am pretty much max gear
So Netharions Call to Chaos and Augury maybe?
hardy shuttle
so much dmg
sometimes*
edgy widget
I am pretty much max gear
So Netharions Call to Chaos and Augury maybe?
yeah probably, just for ease of use
leveling is trivial, you're really not going to need to min/max it at all, and frankly there's not even any content to rush for
sullen cloak
Fair enough! Thanks for your advice bud! Good luck 😀
storm rune
The moment the faction war came back after the great unification in legion I jus...
Fr, BFA had to do some Olympic level mental gymnastics to figure out how to continue the horde vs alliance mindset after legion
Legion should've been the end of wow as we know it
wind loom
What
storm rune
Guild wars did it, wow should've followed suit
modest condor
guild wars did it because they pushed themself in a corner with all the new systems they kept adding to the game and the limitations to the engine
had nothing to do with story
storm rune
Yeah but conceptually, they took the MMO and made a 2.0 version. Clean slate and no storyboard that a 14 year old clearly wrote
Maybe the story is still the same intellectual level, but at least it's not backed in to a corner like legion put them
sullen dove
bro thinks the ww2 level war crimes that occurred in bfa was made by 14 year olds
Can say shadowlands was more of that goofy shit
but like it’s pretty reasonable catalyst to start a faction war when a tyrannical leader of a faction lights a giant tree city on fire of the opposite faction
bitter palm
i love when
people complain that villains dont feel like villains
and then when villains are giga they complain about them being giga
this community icant
sullen dove
Sylvanas when she breaks 14 different Geneva convention codes
bitter palm
korthia is too much!
iron portal
Yeah but conceptually, they took the MMO and made a 2.0 version. Clean slate and...
And how many people play GW and how many wow
modest condor
And how many people play GW and how many wow
at least 3
sullen dove
I mean korthia was cheeks
storm rune
It's not so much that it was written by a 14 year old, it's that it was written to be comprehended by a child
bitter palm
yes but people complained about
sullen dove
Zm at least looked cool
bitter palm
korthia takingtoo much time
then they complained about zereth mortis
cause there was "nothing to do"
they complained during korthia that they cant pvp/m+
storm rune
Which I get, kids play games too, but that shit is insulting to have to sit through the RP for
bitter palm
they complained during korthia that they cant pvp/m+
then zm came out and they continued to complain
unreal onyx
I mean korthia was cheeks
and the maw
iron portal
There isnt even 100k players daily in GW2
modest condor
source
unreal onyx
I loved the concept of not being able to mount up in a giant area
sullen dove
and the maw
Thematically the maw was awesome but not being able to mount was giga cringe
bitter palm
I loved the concept of not being able to mount up in a giant area
then scrapping that
how accurate is that tho
sullen dove
I rly liked the gta 5 stars stuff
errant vessel
Thematically the maw was awesome but not being able to mount was giga cringe
I race changed to worgen because of this xd
unreal onyx
the non-mounting was by far the biggest nerf to qol ever
sullen dove
even if it also was more annoying still cool how they implemented it
bitter palm
I race changed to worgen because of this xd
modest condor
https://mmo-population.com/r/guildwars2
ah yes, source: we made it up
storm rune
There were lore reasons for no mounts? I can't even recall anymore
errant vessel
<:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
Real
iron portal
ah yes, source: we made it up
Every source i go through atm states below 100k daily
smoky vale
ah yes, source: we made it up
storm rune
Idk just like “overwhelming maw power grrr”
And then 3 mobs come running by you on mounts 😂
smoky vale
idk if this game is on other platforms
latent hedge
it is
gilded pawn
Steam is fake
sullen dove
And then 3 mobs come running by you on mounts 😂
well they’re maw mounts obviously
Chatting
It was cool that if u had a mawhound or whatever they were u could mount
modest condor
barely anybody plays gw2 on steam
smoky vale
yeah i have 0 clue about gw2 but just thought of steam
sullen dove
But twisting corridors the only actually reasonably attainable one was released like 10.0.5 like months in
Then it was removed in 10.1
devout totem
GW2 has it's own launcher so u can at least triple this number
modest condor
a dev said steam makes up like 5-10% of the total active playerbase or something, trying to find the quote
smoky vale
so at most using that quote is 40k?
sullen dove
wouldn’tve minded the not mounting if twisting mount was available day one
And u could grind it
smoky vale
sorry im a bit tired not thinking rn
modest condor
this is from 2 years ago but they said 300k active players daily https://gamerant.com/guild-wars-2-end-of-dragons-preview-weapons-guild-hall-fishing-strike-mission/
iron portal
2 years ago ye
modest condor
there's a new expansion launching in 2 days
smoky vale
this is from 2 years ago but they said 300k active players daily https://gameran...
thats a shit load of daily
modest condor
yes but my point is still that 1: it's a lot more than 100k daily and 2: we dont actually know the active playerbase and any website that claims to track those numbers is pulling them out of their ass
iron portal
ah yes, source: we made it up
Now genuine question because i dont tend to look into these statistics. What was problem witht that one
modest condor
the website?
if this is the same website as the one i remember then it uses things like reddit sub count and twitch viewers to make an estimate of player count
iron portal
As long as devs themselves dont realease numbers ofc you wont have close numbers
same problem with WoW
Since blizz stopped actively sharing those, people have tp go through some hoops to get somewhat credible info
iron portal
if this is the same website as the one i remember then it uses things like reddi...
Imma be honest i have no idea, first google search basically
modest condor
i dont know either since i know none of the big mmos reveal playercount statistics so at best they're gonna be guesses
analog magnet
they dont want to share them because its a headache, they ripped off that bandaid in wod and thats the way its probably gonna stay
iron portal
Well its not pretty showing decreasing graph
It was quite a power move when it kept raising
analog magnet
yeah thats the thing
if they showed subs and its good, then they'd have a pretty good flex
but if they go down they might not wanna share them and the discourse shifts to "lol dead game!!!"
latent hedge
Blizz showed a graph not that long ago showing how big the dip was in SL at Blizzcon iirc
iron portal
i dont know either since i know none of the big mmos reveal playercount statisti...
First website now i found that claims between 300k to 500k daily users
I have no idea what numbers are atm in WoW
modest condor
there was some leaked chart showing sub numbers and i think people figured out it was at like 7 million or something? but we dont know if the chart was to scale and if it was even real in the first place
iron portal
Somewhat recently or bit further back? Cause 7 mil post SL would be:
a, Nice if it is launch of DF
b, i guess great if it is midway/now
modest condor
they had photos from different angles by actual professional news websites tho so it's likely it was real
very recently
here's the original photo
and here's the guesstimate that i think bellular came up with
wait that's not the full original photo
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One thing is for sure, BFA and SL did number on wow
modest condor
yeah shadowlands destroyed sub numbers
and remember that's with shadowlands and classic
bitter palm
look legion to bfa
modest condor
this was just after blizzcon, that spike at the end is from blizzcon hype
you could see it in s3 dungeon participation as well
had similar numbers as season 1
which is unheard of that deep into an expansion
latent hedge
also helps the numbers that classic has like 4 different versions
modest condor
yeah
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Carried
latent hedge
retail is probably still the most popular though; more stuff for casuals to do
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and wow still prob dominates numbers in MMO genre
Though this really is just my guess
runic pine
and wow still prob dominates numbers in MMO genre
I doubt it tbh
I would be very surprised if WoW had more popularity than FFXIV
modest condor
i think the only games that could maybe compete are ff14 and osrs
runic pine
Just based on the simple fact that they also have Xbox and PS5