It isn't, it is an oversight :P
#fury
dense elbow
inner zinc
yeah figured but its still pretty steep lol
frozen mirage
So what to play until fixed, Amrs with Skullsplitter? 😦
compact knot
fury
compact knot
just go AM
heavy tinsel
@open dirge dead
frozen mirage
I feel naked not being empowered on my zug zug
from mercedes to skoda abilities kinda
dense elbow
You can just use (2) S3 for big BT crits tho and OF dam 
inner zinc
ugh, i dont feel like going back to 4p. RA atm feels really good to play
well hopefully they dont make us wait too long for that hotfix
next canopy
Damn we got buffs
dense elbow
Damn we got buffs
Not to worry, nothing 'changed'. There are some possible errors in there. From arms/fury/prot auras being mixed up. Yet basically it just moved damage from auramods to baseline ability damage. So 100 damage before, is still 100 damage now.
This all is likely just to establish a new baseline for the new expansion
next canopy
Not to worry, nothing 'changed'. There are some possible errors in there. From a...
Ty sir
marble remnant
does anyone know if the earthern allied races armour bonus works with armoured to the teeths strenght gain?
junior gale
It does
marble remnant
is the gain anygood?
junior gale
I don't remember the exact numbers but it is a gain
junior gale
Not enough to warrant playing shitty short race
marble remnant
true voidelf is better
sullen dove
erm…
junior gale
Nelf supremacy and it's never close
covert blaze
buff fury
tidal beacon
wtb ra fix
junior gale
RA will be fixed in 12.0
next canopy
We can take point out of VC and put back into wrath and fury now?
grave lark
yup
next canopy
coarse nest
lament wing
some1 help me out here RA and AM?
willow cradle
Reckless Abandon and Anger Management
rigid stirrup
RA
coarse nest
Swap to AM now since they didn’t compensate buff Crushing Blows and BloodBath
dense elbow
both
lament wing
are we expected to have them revert or fix the crussing blows and bloodbath or was it because it was too much?
funny, the specs i've seen in here for m+ already had AM.
is this a ST thing?
next canopy
Swap to AM now since they didn’t compensate buff Crushing Blows and BloodBath
Even for m+?
summer quail
are we expected to have them revert or fix the crussing blows and bloodbath or w...
yes, definetely gonna fix cb and bb
it is not intentional for them to have overlooked RA
coarse nest
Even for m+?
Yes
summer quail
Even for m+?
atm pretend RA does not exist. coz it doesn't
the talent does nothing. just pretend it isn't there
coarse nest
Still can run 2pc for OF damage probably
next canopy
atm pretend RA does not exist. coz it doesn't
This is as of the latest hot fix?
next canopy
What the new prio now?
Rampage
RB
BT
Execute
?
coarse nest
Rampage>RB>Exe>BT>Slam (2pc+2pc)
Maintaining jug stacks takes some prio if you have it talented but right now in M+ build you wouldn’t
coarse nest
coarse nest
No you would slam as a filler button not WW
finite lance
Oh ok
summer quail
Do you guys whirlwind on single target?
if you have improved whirlwind talented yes, if you don't you slam
summer quail
then yes you ww in st
finite lance
So opener is recklessness avatar thunderous roar then bladestorm, odins fury, then single target rotation?
tidal beacon
if you have improved whirlwind talented yes, if you don't you slam
improved whirlwind?
coarse nest
#fury message
I assumed Raid build when saying Single Target my bad there I should have clarified
finite lance
Yeah sorry thats my bad
Im like a classic andy, first time playing retail, there is alot on this gane
Game*
left elk
So RA DED, its all about the AM now?
coarse nest
Unless they quick fix BloodBath and Crushing Blow, Yes
left elk
something broke?
coarse nest
They removed aura buff from the whole spec and forgot to compensate buff those two along with a few other things
left elk
oof, big sadge, guess we mash and smash now. ooga booga
red burrow
So as the mountain thane does thunder clap just completely replace your whirlwind? Cause I hope so. Both are kinda similar and we don't need the bloat for fury.
The answer to that genuinely will tell me if I wanna play it or not tbh
summer quail
So as the mountain thane does thunder clap just completely replace your whirlwin...
yes, as thane you can remove ww from your bars
red burrow
Woohoo
upbeat plume
summer quail
yes. slayer is very far ahead in st, ofc that could change(kinda doubt it atm tho)
red burrow
I did hear it's worse but I think it'll improve eventually. If it stays doodoo the entire expansion then that's bad on blizzard not the idea of mountain thane itself
Cause I love what it is doing so far more so than slayer
I think Storm Bolt should become more prominent in the rotation though. I realize that goes against my idea to reduce bloat but Storm Bolt is like as iconic and as big of a thing for mountain king as thunder clap
Probably more iconic than thunderclap
dense elbow
You dont want to turn CC into DPS button - trust
red burrow
But when there's nothing to cc you're not pressing it at all and that feels worse. Like it's still a good cd in M+. But in raids with no adds you're not using it.
knotty cove
You dont want to turn CC into DPS button - trust
outlaw rogues found that out the hard way... everyone hated them lol
red burrow
Could it not be integrated into the rotation in some way that doesn't hurt its intended use? Like a proc that gives you a charge of a more powerful version of storm bolt. That way you proc it, it can do damage, but it doesn't go on cd so you can still use it when you need cc.
knotty cove
Could it not be integrated into the rotation in some way that doesn't hurt its i...
the problem isnt the CD.... its the DR on CC
red burrow
Proc version doesn't stun then? I dunno. I just feel there must be ways around it.
dense elbow
There are loops and hoops we can jump through, sure. But why?
knotty cove
just take the fact you have a stun at all as a good thing... nothing was worse when I was maining my rogue than having to DR stuns because of my rotation. Wasnt bad in raid... but M+ it was bad
red burrow
Just kinda a core part of mountain king identity I guess is why. Which I know it's mountain thane now but.. cmon...
knotty cove
why cant core parts of an identity be CC.... rogues have gotten fat on that since vanilla.
Just look at it like your version of Gouge/Cheap Shot/Kidney Shot/Sap
red burrow
I mean yeah, it's incredible. But I guess my bad take is I find cc to be pretty situational. And I guess I just like the sound of throwing out a chunky ranged storm bolt dealing massive damage as a warrior. Like it just sounds bad-ass. Kinda like playing Muradin with the Q build in heroes and building up that storm bolt damage to hit like a truck. It's just fun.
knotty cove
I wont blame ya... but honestly that sounds more shaman than warrior in this iteration of WoW.
red burrow
True. But that's sorta what Mountain King was. A blend of a warrior and a shaman. More warrior than an enhancement, but using lightning to supplement their lack of power.
dark frost
is the only change with RA bug just change to AM and go back to 4pc S4
proven rune
Unless they quick fix BloodBath and Crushing Blow, Yes
Since they buffed BT and RB, I dont see why They wouldnt be increased
coarse nest
CB and BB are their own abilities with their own damage value they are not modifiers to the original
mint cairn
They didnt touch Thunder clap, is Mountain thane a thing now?
young swan
next canopy
Put a rampage before Bladestorm
Just ran a key with AM. It brings KA-CHING back into play
proven rune
I didnt feel much of a difference so far. I guess, I'll see the difference a bit more in TWW
dense elbow
RIP Fury, 2024
proven rune
<:sadgers:1022526082278248631> RIP Fury, 2024
It's fine! Time to practice arms. Wait to 35% exe x200.
silk coyote
<:sadgers:1022526082278248631> RIP Fury, 2024
Are the hits to fury enough to make arms pull away that hard?
tidal beacon
ra just didn't get tuned it will be fixed soon enough
next canopy
<:Rampage:592471610536099840> <:pipes:584999586809118733>
With AM we go back to spamming RB and building Ka-ching via rampage right?
tidal beacon
tbh il just play another toon until it's fixed in a day or 2
eternal canopy
is there a WA that combines spells with multiple hits into 1 number in scrolling combat text
i.e. 4 hits from rampage as 1 number
coarse nest
With AM we go back to spamming RB and building Ka-ching via rampage right?
Pretty much yeah just Raging blow spam rampage whenever possible BT/Slam/Exe filler buttons
Unless you have 4pc equip then You’d do the 100% crit thing with BT
next canopy
Ty bro. It’s fun too but I was enjoying RA
red burrow
what is ka-ching
next canopy
tier set@ 4p effect
summer quail
what is ka-ching
just a weakaura that makes a sound when you reached 95% crit chance on your bloodthirst for the purposes of our tierset 4p
edgy widget
I mean yeah, it's incredible. But I guess my bad take is I find cc to be pretty ...
they did that in MoP, it has pros and cons
- the pro is yeah, it gives storm bolt more flavor and you get a hard hitting nuke
- the con is that it's inconsistent - some things get stunned, some things are immune to stun, and there are some things that can be stunned but you'd rather deal damage to
ultimately that lack of control is the issue, especially when its a hard hitting nuke, since that can turn into a significant amount of power being lost if the mob can be stunned
and considering that there's no lack of strong nukes at the moment, it's not really crucial to have anymore
tidal beacon
i think if they did something where Storm bolt did that big nuke but no longer stunned would be interesting
covert blaze
i think if they did something where Storm bolt did that big nuke but no longer s...
that sounds awful
brittle crow
i fucked up i need ideas
how do i get 2 1/2 reps worth of tuskarr rep before tww
ig i have some quests left i need to do that'll help
hard widget
Why do u need it before TWW
covert blaze
I would guess cause there's actual things to do in tww 
vivid egret
so tww tuning that just happened whas fury been buffed or nerfed?
modest condor
if we assume the missing abilities get added it's technically a very slight nerf because of the last point
unless they tune those individually for fury as well
coarse nest
They make it to hard on themselves by tuning the shared abilities separately for each spec
brittle crow
I would guess cause there's actual things to do in tww <:detective:9123413129073...
yea that
crisp prism
after collecting ores and flowers for 2 weeks
stray osprey
100% - requested the first week of launch off from work so I can no-life gathering 
brittle crow
100% - requested the first week of launch off from work so I can no-life gatheri...
meanwhile my vacation time ends the day early release comes out
crisp prism
100% - requested the first week of launch off from work so I can no-life gatheri...
dw you gonna have 3 full weeks of gathering till m+
reef snow
Heya, new to war. Figuring out most things, been reading guides, watching vids, but I can't figure out if I should always wait to get 5 stacks of bloodcraze or send it before 5 stacks or if it's conditional on when to send it
latent hedge
ye
waxen vale
cheers
reef snow
ahh ok, thank you. I've been just doing LFR stuff, but sounds like I've been doing it wrong, haha. I'll start sending it vs waiting to get to 5 stacks
vast musk
@hardy cargo i just did agatha for the first time, on this patch, finally got the Armor. had to buy lots of green gear with sockets and Strengh gems. but after many tries finally did it
crisp prism
wait , shouldnt 4p with am do better if ra isnt an option for now
modest condor
i heard that mage tower scaling was kinda messed up with prepatch
vast musk
i heard that mage tower scaling was kinda messed up with prepatch
yeah it kinda is, somehow they have like 33% more HP (adds also) and it was my first time ever doing it, so was a real struggle
severe pine
Do Raidbots sims currently reflect the 'nerf' from today?
modest condor
im fairly sure they do
sudden tusk
so any outliers are probably a mistake and will be rectified
@modest condor does it just take the spell data?
modest condor
ya
sudden tusk
im assuming the only thing it needs is APL priority then gotcha
modest condor
yeah the apl isnt updated for anything that happened today
but the spelldata is afaik
severe pine
My damage on training dummies seems lower, although I never paid too much attention to begin with, and it might be a placebo. I used to do 900k-1m BBs though, and they're around 700k now. My damage on raidbots seems fine though, so I dunno.
brittle crow
damn i vendored the rest of my 4pc set when i switched to 2/2
now 4pc is better and i have no 4pc?
tragic
sudden tusk
yeah blooblath didnt get the update to even out the aura buff reduction
but its probably just a miss that should be fixxed soon enough
naive cradle
'probably'?
modest condor
you never know with blizzard
severe pine
The question with them though is always, "What is soon."
severe pine
Is soon tomorrow?
brittle crow
you never know with blizzard
i am right in saying that 4pc is better now tho right?
w/ AM
modest condor
no idea
hard widget
I remember when they'd fix MBG "soon"
modest condor
i dont exactly care enough to think about that right now lol
brittle crow
i need to do optimal dps during soup event
modest condor
fair enough
brittle crow
im just gonna assume AM 4pc better that way i have more stats for leveling in tww
sudden tusk
Is soon tomorrow?
soon could be tomorrow soon could be "do you guys not have phones"
you never know
severe pine
There's a real chance with Blizzard that soon would be 11.1
sudden tusk
just a casual 40% nerf on our modifiers
slim pollen
i am right in saying that 4pc is better now tho right?
Where is this coming from? 🤔
brittle crow
my intuition
crisp prism
i am right in saying that 4pc is better now tho right?
i mean wasnt 2-2 supposedly 2.5% better before this
by that logic 4p should be better
brittle crow
is there a way to re-open the wowhead client menu after u launch it for the first time
naive cradle
my god people still talking about optimizing DF sets a week before obsolete
brittle crow
it only shows a menu the first time u launch it then it lives in the background
brittle crow
my god people still talking about optimizing DF sets a week before obsolete
i mean, a 40% nerf to 2/3 of our core dps moves is
A Lot
that'd feel bad even in world content xd
naive cradle
you can level to 80 walkign in with 350 gear
brittle crow
you can slugma
crisp prism
my god people still talking about optimizing DF sets a week before obsolete
some people still last week raiding
and want to deal some damage
tidal beacon
by that logic 4p should be better
4 of s4?
crisp prism
4 of s4?
yeah according to what archi said in pinned messages like a month ago 2-2 was only 2.2% ahead
if ra is 40% less effective
4p with am should do more
brittle crow
when using AM do u simply prioritize BT over RB
crisp prism
gonna be completely honest idk how to play s4 4p atm cuz of unhinged
hard widget
When using 4 set AM you send Bloodthirst on 95-105% crit chance on it
hard widget
Maybe 2-2 set AM is still better
Not sure
I believe its only RA that is actually kinda messed up right now
slim pollen
Maybe I'm just slow, were are people getting the 40% RA thing from?
brittle crow
slim pollen
Ohh, i missed just the RA part in that. I read it several times tho 😂
Maybe I glanced over it cause I all ways thought they where still based on RB and BT, as in since RB and BT got buffed, the upgraded ones would automaticly gain that buff as well 👀
fluid cedar
yall taking wrath and fury now? dropping what point i wonder
brittle crow
drop vicious contempt
cerulean badger
I dont see anyone having slam on their actionbar only whirlwind, is slam useless?
brittle crow
slam is pure st filler AND only used if u have no whirlwind talents selected
fluid cedar
RIP vicious contempt - i will miss my big fat juicy 2pc s3 BB executes
cerulean badger
Okay so if u have the whirlwind talents you just remove slam?
brittle crow
well u wont always have ww talents
crisp prism
Okay so if u have the whirlwind talents you just remove slam?
i dont have it binded even without talents tbh
you will use it extremely rarely
oblique raft
so... fury is good for m+?
modest condor
yes
brittle crow
fury is CRACKED for dmg in m+
crisp prism
so... fury is good for m+?
not the best but above average
cerulean badger
Hmm okay is rotation basiclaly just just fyr alath then blade and then rampage, blood bath and crushing blow ? And whirlwind to keep buff aoe buff on?
brittle crow
if ur using RA u want to ramp first
so bladestorm will throw out bloodbath not bloodthirst
hard widget
utility is just. there
It's a lot less impactful with the changes to stops that they are making for TWW
cerulean badger
so bladestorm will throw out bloodbath not bloodthirst
Ah okay thanks
tidal beacon
when bloodbath is actually working again
oblique raft
yeah is really good rn hope they dont nerf it
brittle crow
It's a lot less impactful with the changes to stops that they are making for TWW
i still dont know whats going on w/ that tbh
stops will cause casts to auto-resume but kicks work as normal?
or do kicks also cause chain casts
crisp prism
Hmm okay is rotation basiclaly just just fyr alath then blade and then rampage,...
i think you currently want to run anger management till they fix ra
oblique raft
The only bad thing is that you generate a lot of agro in one burst op
hard widget
Whenever you use a stop for a cast, it will instantly recast after the cc is over
brittle crow
based
crisp prism
Whenever you use a stop for a cast, it will instantly recast after the cc is ove...
wouldn't you want more utility by that logic in a key ?
cerulean badger
i think you currently want to run anger management till they fix ra
Not sire what is what tbh i litteraly just lvled warrior to 70
And found basic talents snd rotation, loving it so far thinking to main fury in tww, never playd warrior before in other exp
brittle crow
another one sees the light
hard widget
wouldn't you want more utility by that logic in a key ?
No, because they will instantly recast. And there is also a point where mobs dont get stunned anymore
Basically, the value of AOE stops has gone down, and the value of having a shorter interrupt cooldown has gone up
brittle crow
is it warrior or rogue w/ the shortest cooldown interrupt
hard widget
Shaman has the shortest
crisp prism
shaman 12 wasnt it
brittle crow
i thought shaman was 18 and long range
hard widget
Anyways, in my opinion it makes the game a lot more interesting since it stops certain compositions from working based solely around aoe stops
(like Mage / SP / WL) as example
crisp prism
Anyways, in my opinion it makes the game a lot more interesting since it stops c...
yeah in theory it should but i'm just worried about the level design of dungeons tbh
modest condor
warrior can get it down to 13 but realistically you rarely pick that
hard widget
yeah in theory it should but i'm just worried about the level design of dungeons...
What do you mean?
crisp prism
by level design i mean lets say there is a pack of 4
hard widget
warrior can get it down to 13 but realistically you rarely pick that
I'd pick it for you Sil :3
crisp prism
3 casters
in pug enviorment there will be always people interrupting at the same time
hard widget
Well that is what makes M+ challenging
crisp prism
delaying a cast by 3-4 second by a knock back still could have lots of value
hard widget
If you want to be among the best, then you need to make sure you play as the best
On lower keylevels, having a cast go through wont mean the end of the world
But on higher keylevels that can 1 shot
So you got to find middleground on what is manageable with the kicks / stops u can do
While still maintaining pace
crisp prism
But on higher keylevels that can 1 shot
i mean by this i meant around old 25s
pugable
but still stuff killing you
hard widget
On a 25 stuff would rarely kill you
If im thinking Atal Dazar or something as example
crisp prism
i mean this is purely coming from a guy playing m+ semi seriously only first 2 months of the patch
i'm checking my s3 dungeons on raider.io
24 everbloom with 473 ilvl i was almost getting 1 tapped from casts
hard widget
473 Ilvl was about 15 ilvls below ur "Max gear"
crisp prism
well yep but at that time that was kinda semi pugable and around that time people pugging those keys io wise were around 0.1 ish
my point is this probably is a good change for more coordinated groups
i'm 100% sure with pure chaotic pug enviorment half of the casts will just go through
hard widget
I think its even better for pugs, because since a few seasons the skill ceiling of M+ has drastically lowered with people being able to get title just pressing their rotation as if its on target dummies. Especially with VDH just carrying all stops throughout an entire dungeon or Aug making people immortal. That being said, this removes another layer of "mandatory utility" from m+ making it more open to actually becoming what it should be
Which is Player > Class
Rather than certain classes just being able to complete 2 keylevels higher purely because they are designed a certain way
crisp prism
i'm 100% getting your point dont get me wrong and i do also agree
smoky vale
no you just ignore bloodcraze
i guess i have been griefing 🙂
covert blaze
i guess i have been griefing 🙂
sullen dove
smoky vale
i just used as many raging blows as i could to get to 100 before enrage ended lol
paper iron
Looking to come back to F. Warrior after playing BM hunter. Are we eating good boys?
Was gonna be running fury/prot
smoky vale
<a:hmmNod:940376932560822372>
smoky vale
ig my idea was i didnt want to not have globals of slam
Sitting in enrage with slam while my rb bt are on cd would make me mad 😦
tidal beacon
umm was it fixed im hittign hard again
brittle crow
yes
faint whale
We are saved
dark frost
Were so back
rigid stirrup
back to RA
sick sky
RA?
faint whale
Reckless Abandon
hardy cargo
<@315322964058963968> i just did agatha for the first time, on this patch, final...
yea I just completed it again as well, it doesnt feel much more difficult this patch than any other time ive done it, it was probably just a gear thing tbh
like I said gear shouldnt really matter but it definitely feels like it does in the mage towers
left elk
We saved?
hardy cargo
this was exacerbated to me when I was going for the book mount and I had to choose between frost mage/Shadow priest my sp was way more geared at the time than frost mage and it was a billion times easier
fluid pollen
Holy shit more buffs
left elk
Fixes*
dense elbow
If they do, I just want em to know I am still sad that OF got slapped 
One day it will slip through the cracks, before balance department kills it. One day
Always TWW2
carmine zealot
I think its even better for pugs, because since a few seasons the skill ceiling ...
This is well said. Warriors are actually feasting more than other classes with the new m+ affix changes. Part of what made us difficult to invite was all of the mandatory class utility for the affixes but now that’s not needed. This season coming up definitely seems like just bringing high damage/good defensive classes. We are in a good spot. (B+ IMO)
tidal beacon
so we 2/2 again?
oblique raft
we r we getting so many buffs?
they do something bad to us? like a toxic relationship?
smoky vale
No just -5% bladestorm
old ember
and roar i think
smoky vale
where was the roar nerf?
old ember
they removed the 50% aura and buffed every ability by 50%
but the math on blade storm and roar didnt add up to a 50% rebuff
they add up to like 45%
pulsar prawn
we r we getting so many buffs?
read it correctly ! -50 + 50 = 0 #updates-midnight
oblique raft
I was referring more to the fact that Fury is already good, but buffing him again seems surprising to me... it even scares me.
old ember
it wasnt buffed
pulsar prawn
it wasnt buffed
reading is hard i guess for @oblique raft
smoky vale
why flame?
old ember
bc was deserved
indigo arch
rio dead til tww or something? was tryna catch some warr who queued 5242414 keys in prepatch and did an rlp and the +20 ain't showing on wow site or rio
looking @ leaderboard looks like it stopped last thurs
feelsbad
pale sable
they removed the 50% aura and buffed every ability by 50%
sorry for the dumb question but what does aura mean within this context?
latent hedge
the entire spec was being scaled
pale sable
does this mean we will scale better with new gear?
latent hedge
the number will be bigger, yes.
queen flower
from how I understand it at face value, they removed a blanket damage increase to all sources that gives them an estimate of how strong the spec should be, then buffing each ability separately with that estimate as the baseline so that they can tweak specifics later
attempting to match the values best they can
I just want more SMF stuff, but it is but a dream
red berry
as it stands, fury is definitely weaker then where it was
well
i think both specs are
latent hedge
idk if you can call SMF a dream anymore, it's more like a hallucination at this point. we see it, but it's never touched
gilded pawn
Any outliers are by accident
They are working to hotfix anything that went past their radar
Like cb and bb got fixed fast
pale sable
Thank for the answers. Now we just have to wait and see where we land at lvl 80 with better gear. Gonna be interesting and tbh Fury is a fun spec imo, thats what matters bit more for me.
red berry
im noticing BB is not hitting nearly as hard as it was. they might've stealthnerfed S3 tierset though
queen flower
its in this space where they are deliberately keeping it 5% weaker than TG because they don't want to invest the resources to balance it last I heard
still, I like my smoother rage generation and move speed increase
young swan
im noticing BB is not hitting nearly as hard as it was. they might've stealthner...
literally doesnt matter df is over in 5 days
any tuning now is meaningless
latent hedge
its in this space where they are deliberately keeping it 5% weaker than TG becau...
What I recall atleast; it was meant as a "casual" option
pale sable
As long as it easier to balance TWW endgame with this big change, then Im all for it.
red berry
and as long as we don't lose anything for it, im chill
edgy widget
but the math on blade storm and roar didnt add up to a 50% rebuff
universal spells were buffed by arm's value (43%) instead of Furys (50%), which is a small nerf, but not a really significant one
edgy widget
from how I understand it at face value, they removed a blanket damage increase t...
there's no real functional aspect to the change other than to make the direct coefficients more easily understandable, without having to remember or look up each spec's specific scaling aura
considering that a bunch of stuff still has hidden scaling mods though, it's kind of a half measure
raw magnet
is bloodbath even more bugged?
edgy widget
no, it's back to normal
red berry
its good now yeah
raw magnet
before any of these changes i was doing 600k, then after 1st set of changes it was least 400k(but not 600k)
but now it's less than 400k per
with s4 4set
edgy widget
the second set of changes put it back at the original value
raw magnet
im noticing BB is not hitting nearly as hard as it was. they might've stealthner...
is it this then?
red berry
nah
it is not that they did not do that and as pointed out, probably definitely wouldn't happen before the end of the expansion. im seeing less numbers, too. but, i think they're up a little bit on the beta from what ive tried there so
couldn't say
maybe skill issue
raw magnet
doing the exact same rotation
summer quail
same amount of buffs as well? and same gear?
raw magnet
same amount of stacks as well? from 4p that is
ya
edgy widget
is it this then?
they did not adjust the tier
raw magnet
they did not adjust the tier
is that why?
edgy widget
I dunno what you mean, I said they did not adjust the tier - no change has been made
you're basing this off of a damage number you saw, which could have been inflated by or missing any number of modifiers from moment to moment
edgy widget
Idk what it is, but I can definitively say that the ability numbers are correct now
155.25% AP | 232.875% AP
old ember
universal spells were buffed by arm's value (43%) instead of Furys (50%), which ...
ya true, just a small nerf to our mass aoe
edgy widget
it works out to about -3% for each of those abilities damage
old ember
ya essentially nothing
edgy widget
if Bladestorm is like 15% of your damage in multitarget, -3% is now 14.55%; overall you lost about half a percent of damage
across several abilities, it adds up to a couple % loss overall, but it's not like... major tuning or anything; and they could always readjust things again if the need arises
old ember
ya i dont even think its a couple % except for big pull dungs
edgy widget
if it affected rotational abilities, like the Thunder Clap/Blast issue, then it might present a problem in messing with the rotational priorities, but it's not like you're not gonna use Bladestorm or TR anymore
gilded pawn
there's no real functional aspect to the change other than to make the direct co...
felt like doing this just caused more problems
but i think having a spec with 43% buffs on day 1 is pretty egregious
brave thorn
Hi, any links to the latest fury beta sims profiles?
verbal garden
2/2 tier is still the way to go?
willow cradle
If you want to, 2/2 and 4 piece are both close
ornate gust
What is the impact on our damage after the aura tuning? buff or nerf?
raw magnet
imagine a tier set, heroic leap casts thunder clap, thunder clap reduces heroic leap cd
jumpy boy
raw magnet
pvp tho
raw magnet
tmw warrior becomes dh
muted owl
someone knows how to craft a speedset?
graceful ruin
man the bias they have for us is CRAZY
they just love warrior so much thats why they have left arms as it is for an entire expac
paper ivy
what is the fastest way to get some veteran gear?
paper ivy
is that for lfr tmog from catalyst?
yes
rancid night
and they call warrior mains dump, even they cant read themselves 😅
warm crag
can you stop caring about wowhead comments please
final birch
They hurt my feelings
lone barn
https://tenor.com/view/among-us-sus-yhk-among-twerk-among-us-twerk-gif-23335803
now that's a dumptruck 
paper ivy
can we still use catalyst device after next reset?
i got bunch of gear that i need to tmog but i have no charges left
next canopy
So RA is now fixed ?
With 4 p does RA or AM do more damage in m+?
AM allows you to use the tier set bonus where RA doesn’t. Thoughts?
My sims show:
TWW - Prepatch RA (RA WINNER)
1.149M
+74,191
⋯
TWW - Prepatch - AM
1.076M
+2,064
restive granite
how do we sim mythic plus? is dungeon cleave the option?
i used to play mage and we had to sim 5 target patcherk basically
covert geode
Helo, i'am a new warrior player for tww, my maternal language he's not english so i am sorry if i dont speak really good, i have a question ! anyone have the tww rotation for fury war ? i play with this spec
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ty for the answer
next canopy
i used to play mage and we had to sim 5 target patcherk basically
Same thing with us. Patchwerk and multiple targets
restive granite
ty
a 5% diff between AM and RA
think id rather stay RA just to macro them together honestly
1.5 minutes lines up pretty well in dungeons too
wild mural
They hurt my feelings
skill issue
covert geode
are you playing 2p 2p?
4 p
restive granite
as going to type it but its easier if you just go into the site
you can click your talents and everything related in there to what could affect your rotation
covert geode
ok i thiniing wowhead build and dps cycle not viable, that for i prefere question here 🙂
so i look in the net we need to cast avatar - temerity and not temerity - avatar for have more sec in the spell it's true or not ?
restive granite
always check who writes the guides when youre checking some info, on this case its one of the big dudes of the discord server so id say youre pretty safe following it unless theres something pinned about it
covert geode
ok ty for the info
restive granite
and if youre more of a video kind of guy pretty sure critcake might have something up
errant sentinel
zug zug
rustic linden
is 2x ashkandur the play with no legendary?
fickle bluff
you cannot use 2 ashkandurs
sudden sun
Can someone explain me what happened yesterday with those hot fix?
craggy river
nothing to be concerned about
sudden sun
did they remove aura but buffed each ability?
smoky vale
Yes
sudden sun
Ty
haughty cloud
How far behind ravager is bladestorm in ST or 2 target fights? I have never really liked having to use the targeting reticle mid combat (one of the reasons I don’t like spear)
Plus spinning is so cool 😎
eternal sundial
you tried @player macros?
gusty compass
Lads was it nerfs, buffs or neither. It's nothing?
brittle crow
the grimtusk fishing hole really isn't gonna show up again before tww huh
god dammit blizz
i want my dog
unreal onyx
pure breach
next canopy
<:xeos:945501697847992341>
One day we will unite in Valhalla brother………….
. 💪
unreal onyx
covert blaze
or scroll up like 6 messages lol
scroll deez
haughty cloud
you tried @player macros?
I thought ravager was supposed to be cast before reaching the mob?
In ST
next canopy
I thought ravager was supposed to be cast before reaching the mob?
Ravager pre cast before charge is 🤮game play
haughty cloud
Hmm I swear I saw that on a guide somewhere. Idk I’ve never used the talent
next canopy
It was like that awhile back. I wasn’t a fan
modest condor
it's never been good to cast ravager before charge
next canopy
it's never been good to cast ravager before charge
Feels like crap but I remember people were doing it
modest condor
i mean, people do a lot of incorrect things
even in rank 1 logs you can often find mistakes
modest condor
it definitely wasnt
next canopy
it definitely wasnt
You sure?
modest condor
if someone said it was then they either didnt know about losing damage or they didnt care
but objectively speaking you're just losing damage if you ravager before charge
next canopy
I swear I remember @mossy fox doing it at one point and thinking damn I dun wanna do that. I’m not talking S4
next canopy
its a dps loss but people did it for comfort
So they did cast before charge?
gusty compass
Who is the GOAT of Fury Warriors. Revvez is surely the number one?
He is the CR7 of Fury Warriors XD
modest condor
revvez is the goat of dps warriors
unreal onyx
roidstack
next canopy
roidstack
🤣
Bro that guy has to be in here again under a different name… or dead
coarse nest
revvez is the goat of dps warriors
Realest
haughty cloud
Big wigs or DBM? Never tried big wigs before
coarse nest
Big wigs is my preference
vocal python
does fury still use 2 2h now and in tww
past pivot
of course
clever belfry
Bro that guy has to be in here again under a different name… or dead
he might be any of us
haughty cloud
Ty @eternal sundial
clever belfry
ty @eternal sundial
eternal sundial
ty @eternal sundial
clever belfry
@eternal sundial why rework it, and not remove it
eternal sundial
I had it as delete the longest time but couldnt come up with a solid replacement
left perch
just gibe an aura buff 😉
clever belfry
noooo
warm crag
@left perch
left perch
<@614469388422217739>
@spongus
gleaming siren
he might be any of us
It's me
remote yew
Just read the blue post from yesterday and i gotta ask, who is our biggest fan??
clever belfry
what
brittle crow
so the fishing hole weeklies are weekly
this week isn't grimtusk
and next week is fyrakk assault azure span, so it can't show up then either
literally impossible for me to finish meta achievement before next expac?
sullen dove
ok now that im playing the game since yesterday i am in fact noticing my bbs doing 600k
with s3 set
what uh... whats goin on there
cyan star
At 493 ilvl.
Decent stats? Pulled from armory, so if you add food/flask/rune I’d gain a bit more
First time touching fury since 7.0.5
brittle crow
At 493 ilvl.
Decent stats? Pulled from armory, so if you add food/flask/rune I’d...
at 493 ilvl ur prioritizing strength
sullen dove
brittle crow
ur ilvl is too low to care abt stats since every higher ilvl gear is an upgrade lol
sullen dove
(aka ilvl no care about stats)
cyan star
Yea, I’ve taken ilvl over stats 😄
covert blaze
what uh... whats goin on there
cyan star
My main war is like 524? I think
sullen dove
<:detective:912341312907378689>
why button not doing damage
orange man said it got fixed
lilac ingot
sullen dove
dude...
i think the s3 set isnt recognizing bb as bt
and its not applying the dmg buff
my s3 set bt did 600k just like a bb
brittle crow
lmao???
sullen dove
but still taking the stacks
gilded pawn
Lmao that could be something
sullen dove
i think at least hold on hard to tell im grinding some shitter mobs for an achievement
yea no they're both doing the same dmg
slim pollen
This is in execute range, 1/2 vicious contempt, 2p2p. Seems fine to me?
sullen dove
think it'd be doing a lot more than 1 mil
in that scenario
but try to hit a bt see how much that does
slim pollen
That's no rune or flask or anything. Mine has been doing 1.1-1.2 buffed in actual fights before, so doesn't seem far off imo
sullen dove
i mean idk details dont lie i think
weird that its showing bt as bb icon but prolly seperate issue
they are doing the same damage
@young swan pls use blue man powers to correct
i need to be strong for 5 more days
on mickey mouse bosses
slim pollen
Just popped CDs, did 1 BB for 1 mill then right after a BT for 650k
That should be right?
slim pollen
BB on top, BT bottom
slim pollen
Execute
sullen dove
cuz my shit's just not getting close to a mill
slim pollen
On the singled out dummy, not in execute i got 750k and 487k
real birch
I thought I really hated fury turns out I just really hate holding onto bloodthirst
brittle crow
I thought I really hated fury turns out I just really hate holding onto bloodthi...
god intended bloodthirst to be used on cooldown
craggy river
i mean unless its just me thats fucked for some reason
I also have that, btw. BT doing the same, if not more than the BB
sullen dove
strangely enough i did try a training dummy after im done my grind and did hit a 840k bb and like 550k bt
but like
cant imagine why it was fuckin up on the mobs i was farming
im pretty sure there were instances i had avatar and enrage up for both hits
craggy river
did they fix Wrath and Fury?
sullen dove
yea think so
summer quail
did they fix Wrath and Fury?
mostly. it's fixed enough
sullen dove
yea i mean thats what it seemed like initially
but bb back to "normal" ish damage i think?
on a dummy at least
is that something u know or just speculation
maybe but idk if order matters
if the buffs just like normally multiply or somethin
frozen mirage
I'm confused coming back from Season 3 Fury which was easy and simple. Now we need weakaura for crit chance on BT/BB. Then what's the filler, slam when no raging blows or rampage available or am i doing rage management somewhat weird..I need to hold on to bloodthirst until wa tells me it's good or what?
Also I have only the S4 tier set
latent hedge
Slam is the filler unless you have the Whirlwind talents, then it becomes Whirlwind. Rampage when available. WA tells you when okay to press BT/BB.
haughty cloud
I thought BT had prio over slam
latent hedge
2p+2p ye, but 4set i dont think so
haughty cloud
Slam is the filler unless you have the Whirlwind talents, then it becomes Whirlw...
I haven’t seen this in any guide about whirlwind being used as filler over slam in ST
Can you link?
haughty cloud
No idea what search term to use for that
It’s definitely not in his wowhead rotation section though
wind token
It’s definitely not in his wowhead rotation section though
It is slam is the lowest priority
latent hedge
thats on you then; but if the WW talents are selected, it's WW instead of slam cause WW will generate rage
slam doesn't
haughty cloud
It is slam is the lowest priority
Yes but it doesn’t say WW instead of slam
haughty cloud
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305/1270575524691...
There it is, thank you!
flat river
THEY FIXED WRATH AND FURY
old ember
Maybe I’ve just played it long enough but just get a weak aura for your whirlwind stacks, and follow a simple rotation. Gg ez, even following the stacking crit weak aura is so minor
bitter palm
ive never seen anyone complain about fury being hard
covert blaze
These "people complaining", are they here in the room with us?
frozen mirage
Who's complaining? I just meant I liked the smooth Season 3 easy and fun Fury. Never said this was harder except Season 4 tier set is played with WA for bloodbath 😄
frozen mirage
It's funny seeing fury people come in here from nowhere starting arguments about the non existent argument fury is hard when it's still top 5 most non existing arguments easily imo
old ember
ive never seen anyone complain about fury being hard
Literally like 5 messages up xD #fury message
young swan
i think fury is actually a bit harder going into tww
old ember
These "people complaining", are they here in the room with us?
5 messages up #fury message
young swan
or at least less intuitive
frozen mirage
can't take this, i go bm hunter tww
old ember
bro's starting an argument for no reason
Who’s starting the argument?
lean nacelle
forgive my ignorance, but what's the point of zero'ing out aura tuning and applying it straight to the abilities?
bitter palm
they use auras as a tuning knob
if X spec is behind they just aura buff so everything does Y% more damage
lean nacelle
so they just want to auras to start "fresh" for the xpac?
bitter palm
when they are happy with the damage breakdown
young swan
correct
bitter palm
they just start aura buffing
flat river
i think fury is actually a bit harder going into tww
hello Xan 
young swan
hello
lean nacelle
ah I see, thanks!
bitter palm
hello blue name skyhold make sure max asks critcake
use ur network
bitter palm
young swan
maybe hes hiding so we dont pass him propaganda...
flat river
xd
wind token
we need to sand bag
covert blaze
5 messages up https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/148898695696482305...
His message didn't come across to me like he was saying the spec is hard
latent hedge
ye, it seems like he was just saying the spec was more straightforward and didn't require x and y
covert blaze
sand bag design?
eternal lance
old ember
His message didn't come across to me like he was saying the spec is hard
true, more of ive seen several messages like that recently
tidal beacon
if we run imp ww we still ww as the filler yeah?
brittle phoenix
Yes
heady saffron
i havent looked at any of tww content or warrior changes lol hopefully we in a good position?
and stay in a good position for more than first season 
heady laurel
young orbit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgSQEaerz2s Youtube link in case people don't want 8 million ads
rotund steppe
heady saffron
means we're gonna get nerfed by s2 😔
dense elbow
nerfed before launch, you mean
heady saffron
dense elbow
Whoever goes in there going to be all "fury got a threat issue, burst too strong"
And I will be very angry
rigid stirrup
Whoever gets chosen please say we're okay at best
dense elbow
Not a meme take, a small bump on OF would be nice - something like more power into TR
Cement our burst profile
dense elbow
I rather they just uncap our burst, instead
young orbit
Make all spell one shot every mob
willow cradle
Not a meme take, a small bump on OF would be nice - something like more power in...
Make sure to explain that it's for the capstones and not the ability itself
cause lol
dense elbow
Fury got a capstone problem, I think most will agree with
wary fjord
Yeah
young swan
young orbit
Good list LUL
dense elbow
Noh
young swan
its so easy
dense elbow
Direct damage is king of fun
heady saffron
add dmg to autos
dense elbow
I aint no feral
young swan
i feel like u just have nothing going on in your head ever
clever belfry
nah
wary fjord
Nah
young swan
how do u even make it worse than df
take DF
make it worse
heady saffron
and make rampage apply rend
young swan
ez
raw magnet
and make rampage apply rend
based
young orbit
Take DF, Remove exec fun
wary fjord
and make rampage apply rend
Based
young swan
you just change titanic rage to say "OF bleed damage increased by 50%"
or some shit like that
heady saffron
is slayer just execute hijinks?
raw magnet
make odyns fury add an odyn avatar visual
heady saffron
😔
raw magnet
glyph stonks rise
raw magnet
imagine if they made odyns fury glyph and made it race specific
humans summon varian avatar
heady saffron
to female tauren
wary fjord
Fucked up
dense elbow
Sounds very overcooked
raw magnet
when we get dracthyr war
heady saffron
think when xpac launched
raw magnet
Oh I thought you meant like only one race could use the glyph
nah all races use glyph but effect is race unique
heady saffron
launches dracthyr races unlock?
wary fjord
nah all races use glyph but effect is race unique
Yeah
raw magnet
wish they'd bring back leaper
heady saffron
didnt read the cloak whatsoever, doesnt give stam and only buffs highest stat which isnt mastery atm 
wary fjord
Yeah, but it's a DPS increase anyways
raw magnet
Yo, orcs get garrosh avatar
tmw thrall avatar even though he ain't a warrior
wary fjord
Fine, then maghar orcs get garrosh
young orbit
Mekkatorque for Gnomes
raw magnet
tmw season3 war within we get rampage causes mini odyns fury
heady saffron
taurens get a rock
storm rune
Baine in the corner crying he lost the popularity contest
raw magnet
undead can have sylvannas but wielding a giant two hander for some reason
storm rune
Cairne? Idk tauren lore
heady saffron
Baine in the corner crying he lost the popularity contest
young orbit
Cairne? Idk tauren lore
Crane
heady saffron
i feel warrior probably gonna be pretty smooth in delves compared to alot of the other dps classes that lack self healing 🤔 but maybe im crazy
raw magnet
just means leech stonks risingg
heady saffron
watching ppl test it those mobs were hitting hard
sullen dove
farm some lulw's
rigid stirrup
We're probably gonna crank in delves
storm rune
I read from that Reddit post in beta fury was definitely one of the easiest
raw magnet
watching ppl test it those mobs were hitting hard
maybe for mages
i feel like there are options for other classes
sullen dove
"Yo limit maximum I am an administrator in the skyhold warrior discord i am him"
chatting
young orbit
CritCake not available ?
sullen dove
idk its like 11:30 for him
heady saffron
I read from that Reddit post in beta fury was definitely one of the easiest
😮
sullen dove
probably bedge
young orbit
I am in EU too ahah, same timeline ahah
hardy cargo
"Yo limit maximum I am an administrator in the skyhold warrior discord i am him"
You think he puts it on job applications too?
rigid stirrup
god i know my sleep schedule is perma fucked if 11:30 pm is late
sullen dove
on gosh
silk coyote
Fury still looking lower than arms after the hotfix last night?
young swan
"Yo limit maximum I am an administrator in the skyhold warrior discord i am him"
real
that would probably make him auto decline
unironically
sullen dove
real
isnt that basically what azortharion does tho
or is he like an actual hunter guy
storm rune
Doesn't mean it ain't cringe
young swan
Fury still looking lower than arms after the hotfix last night?
net 0 change
young orbit
Damn they are still on healers ?
young swan
almost done healers
dense elbow
Xan saying that the lost damage, is a positive thing confirmed
OF untouched, I really dont care
dense elbow
that is the straw that breaks our back
sullen dove
oh no!
sullen dove
arch
raw magnet
warrior bloodlust when
young swan
arch
dense elbow
always in my mind and heart
sullen dove
covert blaze
that would probably make him auto decline
just send him my xantaga chinese copypasta
with no context
random raptor
sullen dove
slayer
wary fjord
Slayer
sullen dove
bro azor is rap godding rn
he sounds like theres a gun pointed to his head
bros out of breath
raw magnet
all i want for christmas is single target bladestorm
make bladestorm uberop lemme spin
raw magnet
whatcha mean
pearl crypt
nvm some addon is fucking with me
basically the saved sets u have, selecting any of them set all xmog to hidden
hallow sphinx
a true fury warrior
clever belfry
holy streamer role!!!!
hallow sphinx
covert blaze
sullen dove
pearl crypt
sullen dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848490155140710411/1237677298145296424/bl...
u must speak for all warriors!!!
buff fury!!!
hallow sphinx
u must speak for all warriors!!!
I dont know if you want that
sullen dove
u cant be worse better than xeos
full portal
what's the fastest way to get flightstones now on a new character?
tired violet
is augury really our best for M+?
dense elbow
Dont spam the channels, Thad. It is quite good, you can easily go it or OCE. Season is soon over, so I say grab a beacon for some burst fun
tired violet
Dont spam the channels, Thad. It is quite good, you can easily go it or OCE. Sea...
i put it in the beta channel by accident
dense elbow
happens
dense elbow
You got fragment?
tired violet
i dont
dense elbow
See if you cant grab one, super fun to max the burst every 3 min
dense elbow
Ah fair, then just use Aug and OCE, or something
You can bind fragment to your avatar
tired violet
sweet, i have aug and oce on rn
dense elbow
Aight, then ya good
dense elbow
yarp, it falls off hard if you dont stay in combat
tired violet
yeah i think it just sims well
hybrid cloud
Anybody have any WW stacks/Cleaver WAs they can recommend? Any that play a sound?
covert blaze
Anybody have any WW stacks/Cleaver WAs they can recommend? Any that play a sound...
I would help you but I don't have my pc rn
next canopy
he might be any of us
He is all of us
clever belfry
warm crag
crazy
clever belfry
crazy bhop
serene vessel
Chat someone tell blizzard to buff mountain thane
dense elbow
Too late, oppertunity has passed
past pivot
why? Slayer is the way
serene vessel
why? Slayer is the way
Because bladestorm sucks
covert blaze
serene vessel
6 second self stun lols
young swan
2.5s + you can cast stormbolt during it for damage
young orbit
6 second self stun lols
You can't get feared tho
serene vessel
2.5s + you can cast stormbolt during it for damage
Is bs only 2.5 seconds for fury?
hallow sphinx
young swan
have u actually been saying u hate bladestorm despite not actually knowing how it works for fury
covert blaze
Isn't bs like 2 seconds for fury during lust
heady saffron
feels like it
serene vessel
And also I've saud this b4 but I don't care about raids. I'm m+ player. Self stuns feel infinity worse
modest condor
well its 4 seconds compressed by haste
.
junior gale
Not really a self stun if you can move and still cc/kick
serene vessel
but you can move during it
Its not about the moving part. Cant heroic leap to get a far kick etc
young swan
wait is it 6seconds for arms?
yeah but its also compressed by haste so like 4-5s in practice
heady saffron
macro cancel bladestorm into a charge :O
past pivot
If someone else can't interrupt in that 2.5 seconds, you have bigger problems than hero talents
heady saffron
theyd be dead already if you bladestormed
hallow sphinx
🪤
covert blaze
Pretty sure you can cancel bladestorm again
serene vessel
Pretty sure you can cancel bladestorm again
Ya but having to cancel skills feels equally bad
young swan
Can never do this if I'm stuck bladestorming
the RoP wouldve given you enough time to finish the bladestorm and get the interrupt anyways
covert blaze
Ya but having to cancel skills feels equally bad
If you are arguing for leaping to cc or interrupt you are losing dps no matter what
Idk about this argument
past pivot
then play mountain thane and pummel to your heart's delight
serene vessel
If you are arguing for leaping to cc or interrupt you are losing dps no matter w...
It's not about losing dps, it's about feel
Same way clipping mind flay make me stop playing spriest
hallow sphinx
low quality bait
serene vessel
It's not bait?
covert blaze
low quality bait
I don't think so man...
latent hedge
bladestorm feel good