I got r1 locked in on sark boss but alas fated log
#fury
eternal sundial
wary fjord
Don't say that, u will doom us all, the nerfs must be kept at bay by saying we are still bad
dense elbow
they already took my OF dam; at this point I just want all to suffer my pain.
junior gale
I got r1 locked in on sark boss but alas fated log
I finally got a R1 in DF on the warrior but it was fated Smoldy as fury xd. Totally not when everyone was playing arms
eternal sundial
100 is 100
smoky vale
i got 100 on volocross by the bracket
eternal sundial
Bracket is fake
smoky vale
so 100 is not 100
storm rune
I took my helmet off to make sure I was a female gnome and forgot to put it back on
got an ilvl 100 parse
coarse nest
My best is rank 7 (probably been beat by now)
Not there yet Phil but fear not I’m evolving as I go!
eternal sundial
Not there yet Phil but fear not I’m evolving as I go!
7 is good
eternal sundial
Absolutely
smoky vale
late s2 to amir
fickle bluff
fake ass awakened allstars carrying my amirdrassil
coarse nest
unreal onyx
a real warrior never sends anything remotely associated with arms in fury chat
-- Lolxd
tired violet
late s2 to amir
low power mode at 90%?
unreal onyx
late s2 to amir
what switching to the better spec does to a player
tired violet
thats internet service
no sir, the battery bar being yellow is low power mode
clear tendon
Yo, i haven't seen any patch notes but how come my rampage is not increasing the crit chance of my bloodthirst anymore?
earnest monolith
\- sun tzu or something
-sun tzugtzug
coarse nest
I turn it on when it prompts me at 20%
clear tendon
maybe its a weak aura issue
fickle bluff
Yo, i haven't seen any patch notes but how come my rampage is not increasing the...
are you using the s4 4p
austere apex
-sun tzugtzug
Zugfucious say why hit with one big stick when two bigger stick hurt more ug zug
clear tendon
yeah i am
fickle bluff
then yeah a WA issue
clear tendon
ah use luxthos class WA and i wonder if when i updated for TWW he took out the tier addition
feral ivy
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
final birch
tired violet
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
"heres 50cents for your troubles"
modest walrus
What’s up guys! I just started playing wow a week ago. Would anyone be interested in giving me a hand and helping out a new player?
I’ve been streaming my journey on Twitch, so if anyone is interested, keep that in mind.
I’m on mal'ganis
tired violet
What’s up guys! I just started playing wow a week ago. Would anyone be intereste...
what are you needing help with
do you have curseforge downloaded
past pivot
What’s up guys! I just started playing wow a week ago. Would anyone be intereste...
Check out the guides.
smoky vale
low power mode at 90%?
someone told me to always use it so i do, zugzug
smoky vale
what switching to the better spec does to a player
i have arms logs, i just didnt do as good 😦
modest walrus
what are you needing help with
It’s super overwhelming once you get out of the starting zone. Just need some direction on what I should even be doing.😂
smoky vale
are you level 70?
hardy cargo
Go talk to chromie in SW/Orgrimmar (depending on alli/horde) choose whichever expansion sounds the coolest and continue leveling
sleek sinew
I'm new to wow, played shadow priest and I really like it but I just maxed a warrior to 70 on mop. For some reason I find warrior more difficult 🤣 I have no clue what to do and what spec to go
upbeat sentinel
I'm new to wow, played shadow priest and I really like it but I just maxed a war...
theres our remix guide'
past pivot
Read the guides
sleek sinew
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/remix/overview
ty ty
upbeat sentinel
remix wont last much longer tho so may be better to look into our prepatch specs and learn those
sleek sinew
I wanna go fury, I think its the easiest of the 3 right?
upbeat sentinel
arms is not hard and prot warrior is not hard for a tank IMO
theyre all p ez to be OK at
sleek sinew
I dont wanna tank, I think to be a tank its best to have advanced knowledge of the content you are doing 😭 id get everyone killed lol
smoky vale
you think i have any idea of what i do whne i tank a 14
0 fucking clue
i tank like a dps player
coarse nest
I tank like a dps player too
Full send cooldowns min max damage the only difference is mobs are hitting me and I’m not running for my life
smoky vale
^^^
tired violet
fury kinda tanks right now
smoky vale
when i was learning bdk on rise last season i would always snipe people with the frontal on the last boss
tired violet
fury is an easier / fun class to learn on
honestly its not really recommended, but if youre having rotation issues, guides and the Addon Hekili is decent to learn and smack the dummy with just to get an idea
gameplay and optimization will come with time and learning dungeons
smoky vale
To me what helped me learn both specs was just sitting at a dummy for +30
then when i got to like 50-70% on logs
looking at logs
my issue with hekili is that i found it easy to rely on it and solely look at it
tired violet
yeah and knowing when to hold and blow cds is the other half of it
hekili will have you blowing cds on cooldown, granted it will line them up for you
smoky vale
i think for the past 2 season ive been holding cds to pad
but im going to try to play just sending cds
no thinking
unless it lines up wel
0 thought
barren ore
do embellishments work while leveling?
covert blaze
i think for the past 2 season ive been holding cds to pad
based
weak grail
yes, thanks
modest condor
coarse nest
The only way to be
next canopy
Is it just me or Tyr keys 17-18 are slapping so hard right now. Boss dmg is insane lol
I played s2 and was doing 25-26. What are these tuned at now lol
fickle bluff
well yeah a current 17-18 is a s2 27-28
coarse nest
2nd boss in BH was hitting us for over 2m with frontal yesterday in 17
next canopy
The crushing stomp in AV haha
coarse nest
Yup mandatory live button every stomp
We’re chillin with reflect and dstance
But party members scared
next canopy
Yah ppl gettin crushed
I macro'd dstance and spell reflect and it crashed my game like 5 x haha
coarse nest
Some kind of memory leak is what I’ve been hearing but idk if that’s true
One of my friends had to exit and launch game every key otherwise he’d randomly crash
smoky vale
i've never padded in my life
biggest cope
brittle phoenix
i've never padded in my life
Same fr
coarse nest
NO!
covert blaze
define viable
pearl crypt
*how much worse is it than 2H
coarse nest
4000%
pearl crypt
silly goose
young swan
silly goose
5-ish%
pearl crypt
good enough i dont wanna look stupid anymore
tired violet
smoky vale
guys surely smf will include the fist weapon from the new raid 🙂
past pivot
Guys, surely SMF is a joke and always will be.
smoky vale
sullen dove
only way to parse on gnarlroot or igira
nah 
just blow up boss in dmg amp
(tru for igira tho)
sullen dove
yea
smoky vale
every set of spears minus first and between 2nd and 3rd weapon overlap with soak
you could have OF
lament wing
how come bloodthirst gets converted to bloodbath in st? what talent makes it bloodbath?
sullen dove
i mean u def hold cds a few seconds to hit first spears
sullen dove
how come bloodthirst gets converted to bloodbath in st? what talent makes it blo...
reckless abandon
smoky vale
i mean u def hold cds a few seconds to hit first spears
i did charge pot axe sat around like a stupid person until spears reck ramp OF until spears in like 10??? then had OF for every spear after
only reason i can remember this fight is because of the amount of times i had to reprog it 🙂
sullen dove
i did charge pot axe sat around like a stupid person until spears reck ramp OF ...
Is this s3 or now
smoky vale
3
sullen dove
smoky vale
i also got griefed on every igira kill i ever had
sullen dove
same dude… same…
my raiders thinking it’s acceptable to try to attack spears
who do they think they are
need them to be tmy drones that only attack boss with the most perfect possible times for mechs and add spawns
sullen dove
smoky vale
did you have this many deaths
smoky vale
my raiders thinking it’s acceptable to try to attack spears
i swear not even cope, it is griefing for everyone but the fury war to hit spears
coarse nest
I’ll let bladefury gamers have a pass
Damn wizards switching to aoe spenders tho.. smh
🥾
smoky vale
grrr
smoky vale
i swear not even cope, it is griefing for everyone but the fury war to hit spear...
how cooked am i for saying this^
sullen dove
smoky vale
gg
im surprised no one said that about my total heroic kills of s3https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1273714549530296421/image1.jpg?ex=66bf9e9d&is=66be4d1d&hm=e3b51839aff26ef8aa29a8ec4e3508276aa5834c74b9befabd2c3afd2a227a9c&
smoky vale
?
fickle bluff
162 seems pretty normal?
eternal sundial
idk going north of 150 is p easy if u boost
smoky vale
i did 0 boosting
eternal sundial
and this is ultra omega casual boosting did like 2 weeks of it
smoky vale
this was all me natty
smoky vale
after raid
rotund ginkgo
Myrt not being a weird ahh challenge: impossible
smoky vale
i went from 30-60-97
smoky vale
i was hooked
eternal sundial
toxic pivot
doing the leggo quest for the mog, do i need to do the WHOLE thing to get the appearance?
or do i get it at some point before?
toxic pivot
fk me
gusty mountain
Hey guys, I have a quick question. In the wowhead guide I see they prioritise raging blow over bloodthirst. But in the icy veins guide it is the other way around. Is one better than the other or does it not matter?
smoky vale
How can that be if they are written by the same person?
toxic pivot
are they>
fickle bluff
because the wowhead one is kept more up to date
gusty mountain
I dunno, I just double checked and it is definetly different though.
fickle bluff
rb is the better button
gusty mountain
Ah ok, that’s kind of disappointing I miss wanting to click bloodthirst from earlier iterations of the spec.
gusty mountain
Hmmm ok that’s cool, I don’t have the season 3 2p though, is it still worth taking that talent?
smoky vale
yeah it does a lot of damage
gusty mountain
Ok cool. Is that priority likely to change when we get our hero talents? I see there are a few bloodthirst nodes in both trees.
I am trying to decide between playing ww or fury first on release.
eternal sundial
play em both 
smoky vale
how do i link a thread on mobile
gusty mountain
I probably will but I will have to pick one to do first right? xD
gusty mountain
Hmmm fair enough.
smoky vale
Or do a few keys on one to get vaults and then prio the other
But most importantly have fun 🙂
sullen dove
so real
gusty mountain
Work distracted me for a bit, but thanks for the help guys!
brittle crow
getting worried about meta achieve
the dailies i need simply aren't showing up
help
brittle crow
how impactful is frenzied enrage vs powerful enrage
decently in aoe, not much in st
powerful is a couple percent ahead in aoe unfort
covert blaze
smoky vale
but i need more
every time i get in a call with ce players and i mention logs they go more 99s
covert blaze
I transferred recently and specifically all my 10.2 logs vanished
covert blaze
oh next raid
smoky vale
prepatch isnt real
covert blaze
smoky vale
ill see you then
eternal sundial
@smoky valeyou should target gajeel 😄
dense elbow
I am in team Zhai, but godspeed
sour frigate
I transferred recently and specifically all my 10.2 logs vanished
U need to sync it smh
covert blaze
U need to sync it smh
i dont remember how that works
sour frigate
i dont remember how that works
same so i lost ton of parses from sl
smoky vale
i legit would get worked by gajeel
eternal sundial
so do most
eternal sundial
did you get fyrakk ce
smoky vale
i know 😦
sour frigate
im coming for your logs
why
sour frigate
🤔
smoky vale
ce should be the goal then - parsing in on reclear
my goal is to get as close to ce as i can this xpac
and see then
smoky vale
i believe so as well
eternal sundial
i went from 3/11 in sepulcher to 7/8M (missed kill due to incredibly importal IRL thing) ce ce this expac 
eternal sundial
the stuff that happens when you dont raid in ally guilds pre faction ripcord
smoky vale
wdym
eternal sundial
in SL you couldnt be horde in an ally guild etc
and i was ally initially whcih was weird guilds
and going to a horde guild start df was the big jump
(also just better guild in general)
eternal sundial
playing with better plays makes u play better (sometimes)
i think CE is infinitely easier
than 0.1%
smoky vale
i think so too
eternal sundial
i know for a fact
eternal sundial
good in keys and raid isnt always transferable
we've had title havers fail trials cause they were awful at the game
brittle crow
i am a CE level raider hardstuck in heroic because im afraid of applications
waiting for my guild to just become CE eventually
smoky vale
surely i would get exposed before either of those happen
so i can improve
either way i believe this expansion is my chance to improve
dense elbow
waiting for my guild to just become CE eventually
brittle crow
thank u
dense elbow
I am adopting the Fruiter way
analog magnet
is it ok to discuss 3rd party addon/programs like imorph here 🤔
brittle crow
thats crazy
sullen dove
hallow sphinx
coarse nest
covert blaze
I cba ngl
winter shoal
Understandable have a great day
vestal ivy
you guys running rav or bs atm? ive had pretty solid success with both.
vestal ivy
same, just 12-15's
coarse nest
yeah then def run BS
vestal ivy
❤️
feral ivy
have they fix wrath and fury or they wont till thursday?
latent hedge
has been fixed
storm rune
like 97% fixed
hollow valley
So safe to put that point back from VC?
sage shadow
Is wrath and fury fixed now or not until reset
hollow valley
Others saying mostly, not sure
dawn nova
@sullen dove how do I convince my guild to give me pi?
sullen dove
be the highest dps probably
feral ivy
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast recklessness
/cast odyn's fury
/cast thunderous roar
/cast ravager
that should work right?
dense elbow
Why would you want PI as Fury 
Give me aug buffs for my burst instead
dense elbow
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast recklessness
/cast odyn's fury
/cast thunderous roar
/...
Nope, three abilities are on GCD, ya can only have one
If you want to mash one button, you can do a sequence macro
latent hedge
Others saying mostly, not sure
It seems to be the RB dmg increase does not happen unless you are enraged. Since you're practically enraged the entire time; it's mostly fixed to like 98.5%
vestal ivy
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast recklessness
/cast odyn's fury
/cast thunderous roar
/...
you can do reck/rav at cursor, or ava/rav at curso. personaly i use #showtooltip Recklessness
/cast recklessness
/cast [@cursor] Ravager
/cast charge
dense elbow
He is meme'ing it up, dont worry about it
vestal ivy
for the memes is a battle cry im sure somewhere.
sullen dove
dude
sark is so good
for fury
2 pulls in
and i am piping the shit outta this guy
dense elbow
Always has been
dense elbow
Dont die, adds to pad
young swan
its definitely better now than it was in s2
compact knot
Do we drop VC?
ye
feral ivy
might be last week but first time i killed mythic last boss in same expan lol
dapper goblet
better than swordish
sullen dove
correct
pearl crypt
Any mention if fury will be able to transmog 2h to 1h and vice versa
hollow valley
pearl crypt
Fuck
elfin lodge
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast recklessness
/cast odyn's fury
/cast thunderous roar
/...
this isn't popping avatar
feral ivy
oops lol thank god it didnt work
edgy widget
#showtooltip Avatar
/cast recklessness
/cast odyn's fury
/cast thunderous roar
/...
assuming you fix avatar, this would only cast Ava, Reck, and OF - it will never progress to TR or Ravager
feral ivy
I just wanted to macro it all but OF but it’s all good I just pressed everything
edgy widget
I just wanted to macro it all but OF but it’s all good I just pressed everything
What I meant was you cannot combine multiple on-GCD abilities - you can choose one of either Odyn's Fury, Thunderous Roar, or Ravager, but you cannot use two or all three together in the same macro
At least not without a castsequence macro, but they're very restrictive, and not recommended in most situations
edgy widget
atm yes
dark frost
imagine not playing warrior
edgy widget
summer quail
doesnt the ability say only when enraged anyway?
only the reset part, damage is supposed to be increased at all times
compact knot
@edgy widget sorry for ping, but pin still says wrath and fury is bugged while the #updates-midnight says otherwise, might confused some people.
edgy widget
there are timestamps
south kayak
there are timestamps
So WaF is fixed on beta already?
edgy widget
on live
south kayak
Just live? 
edgy widget
if you can figure out how to log onto beta and check, be my guest
rustic haven
Cant update it either since yesterday. Gets me some error
lofty delta
what are we dropping then? cause we need to drop 2 talents to pick it up as it stands
fickle bluff
So WaF is fixed on beta already?
yes
fickle bluff
what are we dropping then? cause we need to drop 2 talents to pick it up as it s...
something like that
pearl crypt
Wrong SMF is not selected
deep hare
😂
lofty delta
gross
clever belfry
Wrong SMF is not selected
pearl crypt
Hehehehaw
frigid cipher
does crushing blow deal more damage than bloodbath, even tho bloodthirst does more than raging blow ?
or is there some other reason why we prioritise cb over bb
fickle bluff
does crushing blow deal more damage than bloodbath, even tho bloodthirst does mo...
yes
fickle bluff
its more than just tooltip damage though, rb also stacks slaughtering strikes and bloodcraze
frigid cipher
yeah fair
idk why and how but somehow the build i imported had AM
so been playing with that
so imma switch that to RA
lmao
forest owl
how is fury shaping up in beta against other classes? we gucci or not so gucci?
fading sky
gucci
wait so we take Wrath and Fury now ? instead of vicious contempt
after its fixxed?
rain frost
Does anyone know of a good alternative addon to MikScrollingBattleText?
It rarely gets updated and it looks like Tuesday's update finally broke it.
craggy river
lofty delta
or just turn off battle text since it's pointless
eternal sundial
after its fixxed?
Yes
willow veldt
haste or vers taken in AA?
eternal sundial
haste or vers taken in AA?
Algeth'ar Academy M+ Buff Options
To add one of the buffs to your character for the entire simulation, use one of the following options. In Raidbots, add one of in Expert Mode to the Base Player Customization box.
Crit Buff
set_custom_buff=black_pin,stat_value=5%_crit
Haste Buff
set_custom_buff=bronze_pin,stat_value=5%_haste
Mastery Buff
set_custom_buff=blue_pin,stat_value=1194_mastery
Vers Buff
set_custom_buff=red_pin,stat_value=5%_vers
you can sim it
radiant plank
Straight from mage discord 
eternal sundial
yessir
eternal sundial
it doesnt matter much but there is an optimal choice
for your char
which the sim can tell you
stray osprey
I mean, I just always grab Versa. Give a bit more survivability with the damage boost.
smoky vale
I mean, I just always grab Versa. Give a bit more survivability with the damage ...
based pfp
edgy widget
am i crazy for just guessing, hey im missing x stat
You’d be crazy for simming it, that’s for sure
edgy widget
I mean, I just always grab Versa. Give a bit more survivability with the damage ...
This is the right answer on any key level that matters
smoky vale
This is the right answer on any key level that matters
I just remember I did the most damage in s3 with 30% vers and 60% mast
and if i take vers i get closer to 30%
warm crag
I just remember I did the most damage in s3 with 30% vers and 60% mast
this is extremerly scientific and should be studied
gleaming siren
smoky vale
huh
covert blaze
this is extremerly scientific and should be studied
smoky vale
zhai i have been meditating my rotation all morning
covert blaze
for tww I assume
lone barn
wait did they really fix Wrath and Fury, am I dreaming
smoky vale
for tww I assume
i can imagine my character charging in and blasting
i see the dummy falling
fluid cedar
Y’all dropping vicious contempt for AJ/ wrath and fury?
sour frigate
dense elbow
lone barn
rare forum
What are our BiS trinkets for M+? Wowhead and maxroll kinda different prios
dense elbow
You can check what ppl do in what dung on raider.io, or logs. Then decide based on your pulls, plans and situation
I just do OCE+fragment, for burst to delete the pack
frozen mirage
A question on live pre patch, we only use BT/BB when 95% crit chance and above?
dark ice
Any idea if one char boost to 70 for buying xpac is only for prepurchase or I get the free 70 evena fter the release?
hollow valley
The free token will remain until used. I've let them roll over expansions
dark ice
Im wondering if I get the token if I acquire the expansion after its release.
When it wont be pre-purchase anymore
So the question is, is the free 70 boost benefit of pre-purchase only?
frozen mirage
@eternal sundial thx
remote yew
random question but does anyone know if the m0 dungeons will include all TWW dungeons or just the Season 1 dungeons
remote yew
Yeah but it was a different system
frozen mirage
@remote yew
o.O
So m0 will be available only when S1 starts and have the same seasonal roster not before
remote yew
So September 10th or 17th?
polar narwhal
Why would Heroic and M0 also follow the M+ dungeon rotation... kinda weird
Why did they bother adding new 8 dungeons if half of them aren't available for most things
sly slate
Why did they bother adding new 8 dungeons if half of them aren't available for m...
My guess is that the rest of the new dungeons will be in the rotation in the next seasons
rigid stirrup
My guess is that the rest of the new dungeons will be in the rotation in the nex...
This is the correct answer
proven rune
Is there a way to show the good icon when using this macro? /cast [known:228920,@cursor] Ravager; Bladestorm
fickle bluff
#showtooltip
/cast [known:ravager,@cursor] ravager;bladestorm
proven rune
This is what I use, but no matter what ability I choose, it always shows Ravager
fickle bluff
its word for word what i have but it does switch
proven rune
Let me just redo it! Thanks. At least you confirmed 😄
It works, I don't know why it bugged on my end.
compact knot
something like that
2/2 VC is slightly better than 1/2 VC with bloodborne
its a .5% diff
vast musk
did anyone do mage tower in prepatch?
dense elbow
Yarp, how come?
delicate wing
Ok, am I an idiot? My bloodbath seems to do way more damage than the crushing blow, why does crushing blow have prio over bloodbath? What am I missing? (I have 494ilvl, so maybe that's why?)
but just tested on a dummy with a few attacks and with 50/50 crit/hit BB did avg of 191k per cast and CB did 78.1k and BB even triggers the dot?
meager void
you dont have any tier I assume ?
hardy cargo
Was dummy on low hp? Below 35%? also consider things like slaughtering strikes, bloodcraze, and CB hits twice
warm crag
Was dummy on low hp? Below 35%? also consider things like slaughtering strikes, ...
idk i wasnt htere
hardy cargo
idk i wasnt htere
Ahh I see thanks
warm crag
Ahh I see thanks
always got you 🤝
summer quail
Ok, am I an idiot? My bloodbath seems to do way more damage than the crushing b...
crushing blow increases crit chance of bloodbath. see bloodcraze talent, even if bloodbath does more damage crushing blow buffs several abilities
hardy cargo
my hero
I could also be wrong but I think details will only show average per hit of an ability not cast, maybe you can add it as a column? I dunno
But if you hover the ability and look on the right where it shows crit % breakdown that’s showing each hit of the ability
Rampage, for instance, will seem very low if you look there as well
delicate wing
It has all the damage combined per cast and not damage instance, but idk, when looking at logs BB also does like 3 times as much damage as the CB at least the ones I looked at. But I guess the rampage damage buff from CB makes it worth it?
hardy cargo
Can link?
oblique trail
idk i wasnt htere
why werent you there?
delicate wing
I just looked at the top 3 damage on first boss, but sure https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FNtTzghjmnXxVP8b#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=11
edgy widget
It has all the damage combined per cast and not damage instance, but idk, when l...
remember CB is separated into two hits, but yeah - it doesn't have as much direct damage, but it has a lot of extra value from Bloodborne and Slaughtering Strikes
warm crag
why werent you there?
shrink ray
smoky vale
@covert blaze can i go for rank 2 now?
hardy cargo
BB dam on gnarlroot is going to be propped up by Vicious contempt+ s3 2P by quite a bit as well
And obviously the damage amp on him
edgy widget
ultimately BB vs CB isn't that important, because you'll always use both in between Rampage anyway
it's RB vs Rampage vs Execute that's really fucky
meager void
the rotation/prio is not just a table of high-to-low hits per cast.
dense elbow
RB vs BT, isnt that interesting. Execute not being king, is just sad.
meager void
ultimately BB vs CB isn't that important, because you'll always use both in betw...
would you mind giving a short explanation on how you guys "cook" when proposing an ideal rotation/prio?
I imagine theres a pen and paper part before running multiple APLs thru simcraft
edgy widget
you mean like writing apl?
try something, if it doesn't work, try something else 
diff people have different approaches, but it really just boils down to a lot of trial and error
meager void
I ask because I've had people saying they believe that the APL is built like when raidbots reports a best gear combo.
Some people believe you just kinda select all the abilities of X class and "run a sim" to find the best rotation.
warm crag
real
edgy widget
personally, I always start with an idea; usually supported by practical testing or just my own experience with the numbers
hardy cargo
I do that but not in raidbots I do it with my brain
edgy widget
e.g. the design says "bloodthirst is supposed to do this" like, Slayer makes you think that BT is supposed to be important b/c of Reap... but is it?
meager void
informed guesstimates ran thru simcraft and the best one wins.
edgy widget
usually the basics of the rotation are figured out before sims are even in a working condition, just based on familiarity with raw numbers, but yeah
the nuances, like whether it's better to prioritize one ability to fish for certain procs, are usually just a matter of trial and erroring different ideas
and a lot of time, these nuances are the result of practical testing, a random idea like "it feels like XYZ should be worth, but is it?", or just brainstorming with others
meager void
gotcha, thx for the explanation.
This means that in actuality, whenever we say "listen to robot" we are really saying "listen the result of a sim based on a very detailed trial-and-error work from real living-breathing people".
meager void
you literally milked that 1.5min uh
hardy cargo
i know its normal, i was bullion farming, but what the FUCK
Gratz brotha
compact knot
i literally went from like 650k dps to 1.2 million in like 10 seconds
what 6 5.2 million bloodbaths does to a mfker
edgy widget
gotcha, thx for the explanation.
This means that in actuality, whenever we say "...
idk if I'd call them all "real people" but yeah pretty much 😛
vast musk
is mage tower doable rn? because agatha seems to have like 200k more hp
hardy cargo
Has Agatha ever been hard?
fickle bluff
🤖
hardy cargo
I’ll try when I get home, but my assumption is it won’t be too nuts, afaik she’s always been pretty easy
vast musk
I’ll try when I get home, but my assumption is it won’t be too nuts, afaik she’s...
would appreciate if you could update me, because she seems to have like idk 30% more hp and same amount more dmg, cant really kill the adds very fast now because of that
sooner or later i am lacking dmg
ofc might be skill issue but would love to know if people who killed her before prepatch, are now struggling as well
hardy cargo
Ya I’ll try when I get home, it’ll be a a bit tho haha
compact knot
i know its normal, i was bullion farming, but what the FUCK
irideus fragment is the best trinket in the game
unironically
hardy cargo
I was getting those appearances on a bunch of alts and I found that while gear shouldnt matter it definitely feels like it does matter
vast musk
mhm thats weird
covert blaze
<@235857431492558848> can i go for rank 2 now?
flat river
sullen dove
Roidstack my king…
half cargo
🧎♂️
rugged blaze
always panic
lofty delta
First glance it seems they're removing the aura buff and baking it into the abilties themselves
grim shadow
These are buffs no?
frosty scroll
or am i missing something 💀
humble plover
nerfs, they removed the 50% buff
rugged blaze
looks like 50% aura debuff, add dam to abilities. too much math.
frosty scroll
what 50% buff
lofty delta
i think they're cleaning up
halcyon quail
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
grim shadow
Get the maths mathing boys!
granite prism
its over, arms time
nova smelt
Math quick pls
humble plover
the one we got a few weeks ago, looks like they took it off in favor of ability tuning
frosty scroll
that cannot be good, early dooming
rugged blaze
is fury dead now??!!!!
halcyon quail
Hi guys my wife ask if we should still play fury warr on our honey moon pls i want to know if this is buff or nerf
lofty delta
i dont think its a change at all
dark frost
Looks like they removed aura buff but put in ability specific buffs
humble plover
yee
lofty delta
it's just normalisation
humble plover
let math guy cook then react
tired ledge
I feel like it's a prepatch nerf and hero talent buff kinda
lofty delta
no, they literally removed 43% from the aura, and added 43% to individual abilities
nova smelt
I mean paper math it seems like a nerf if it was 50% flat damage removed they missed hero talent buffs
timid chasm
its literally just removing the 43% aura buff and buffing individual abilities by 43%
zero changes
lofty delta
doomers need to chill
lofty delta
Demolish got a buff
Thunder blast/clap +5%
Remember slayer literally doesn't add any new abilities
halcyon quail
omg fury dead what class reroll now
old ember
Do I not know how to read those jank patch notes or are those just a bunch of buffs
lofty delta
Looks like buffs to me on a cursory glance
nova smelt
They removed damage to all aura
white wolf
It seems like they removed 43% damage from warriors and added 43% damage to every single warrior ability.
rigid fulcrum
rebalancing the aura buff to 0 looks like
lofty delta
people need to read past the first fuckin line
proven rune
Is it to just being able to adjust abilities in a more efficient way?
nova smelt
What abilities / procs got over 43 percent
lofty delta
it's because aura buffs are a band-aid
you always want an aura to be as close to 0% as possible so tooltips matchup
proven rune
Yea for sure
white wolf
Yeah I wonder if all classes will follow shortly
tired ledge
Is it to just being able to adjust abilities in a more efficient way?
Yeah
lofty delta
good catch, i read arms aura not fury
nova smelt
So unless every ability got tuned up by 50% value I didn’t check then we got our cheeks clapped
tired ledge
It's literally 0 changes xdd
proven rune
Yea
nova smelt
Can you quote what ones
lofty delta
and there's the clap/blast +5%
tired ledge
some got more than 50% tho
It's 50% of the number before
nova smelt
For slayer
tired ledge
So like 150 + 75 (75 because 150/2)
tired ledge
^^^^
nova smelt
And that’s not what I’m seeing
tired ledge
Some seem to be a little smaller
lofty delta
some are made up of more than 1 overall number though
like rampage is a 4 hit attack
meager gyro
hi math guy here, I did the math
nova smelt
Again I’m no mathematician and I’m driving so it’s mental math but I can do basic math and reap the storm and slayers dom
Got nerfed
marble stratus
nova smelt
Ok
timid chasm
reading patch notes while driving is insane
nova smelt
Please cooker
sullen dove
reading patch notes while driving is insane
yea maybe don’t
nova smelt
Bro patch notes and the car driving itself
lofty delta
rampage hit 1 is like +43%, hit 2 is +25% and hit 3 is 57% and hit 4 is 36%
meager gyro
it is a 12.54% nerf to my overall on a key, but the hero talent buffs mean I haven't mathed yet.
if the hero talent buffs make up for it, we're good still
sullen dove
bro huh
u just comparing two keys ending overall to eachother
that must be that new smf math
meager gyro
I halfed the key dmg and then added the ability buffs
tired ledge
reading patch notes while driving is insane
Drinking ❌ Driving ❌ Drinking and Driving ✅
sullen dove
meager void
compare dn
nova smelt
Are the buffs + .5 percent of the og number or not
meager gyro
I did the math, you can all relax
tired ledge
It's a nerf because we lost aura
meager gyro
just play dagger in tww and we gucci
raw magnet
So is fury about the same then?
tired ledge
Fury aura is gone
nova smelt
Lmao
meager void
omg
tired ledge
That includes things that like aren't even in the game anymore
meager gyro
@ember apex you're the doctorate of dps here
sturdy lichen
is this a 50% nerf we hjust fucking got
yes, gg go next
tired ledge
50% nerf to condemn and it wasn't compensated for this game sucks
raw magnet
tbh i feel like fury got nerfed a lot cuz my bloodbaths were hitting for 600k yesterday and now they are consistently hitting 400k
meager gyro
sire this is fury chat
tired ledge
timid chasm
just based on total spell power%, not including the 50% aura buff removal
so all that actually changed is bladestorm down 5%
mossy nimbus
Numbers
timid chasm
and tclap + tclap talent dam up 5%
meager gyro
just based on total spell power%, not including the 50% aura buff removal
oh I'm glad someone actually did the math
ember apex
im about to throw up in my mouth
ember apex
oh I'm glad someone actually did the math
"SPELL POWER"
nova smelt
5 percent nerf to bladestorm can get fucked
ember apex
our abilities dont scale w/ spell power
tired ledge
Carlo
ember apex
what
nova smelt
Someone better get back and add 5 percent
tired ledge
You need to calm down
raw magnet
just based on total spell power%, not including the 50% aura buff removal
did they change bloodbath because actual gameplay in retail feels like it's around the same as a regular bloodthirst now
ember apex
is this not a 50% nerf w/ the removal of that aura
raw magnet
like not buff bloodbath but did buff(after aura nerf) bloodthirst
timid chasm
our abilities dont scale w/ spell power
tired ledge
is this not a 50% nerf w/ the removal of that aura
And they buffed everything by 50% to compensate for it
raw magnet
or a not very much stronger version, like by maybe 30-50k
nova smelt
Why bladestorm nerf
tired ledge
Why bladestorm nerf
Idk numbers but slayer reasons I assume
timid chasm
just based on total spell power%, not including the 50% aura buff removal
this is also not accounting for the hero talent changes
dense elbow
checking OF modifiers, math checks out - not a stealth nerf. Aight, I am content.
tired ledge
LMFAO
ember apex
im a r3tard honestly
nova smelt
What intern took away 5 percent
ember apex
myb
coarse nest
Arch is probably mathing it out right now
He’ll tell us in the updates in an hour or 2 no doubt
tired ledge
I doubt it means anything
tired ledge
5% nerf to bladestorm, you can all close discord now
coarse nest
It’s just the same old remove aura buff and apply to abilities baseline before new expansion
They do this often
upbeat swan
Did they forget to buff BB and CB?
tired ledge
Idk how cb and bb work exactly and if it is a flat number or % higher
But I assume they will be doing the damage they normally would be
meager gyro
the real question, does this help with our threat?
willow cradle
Not on bit lol
hallow kraken
the real question, does this help with our threat?
tanks just need to be better smh
dense elbow
Only thing that could help ya with that - is yourself, handling the tank situation you are in
meager gyro
now we just need a rogue to come to every key with us for tricks
unreal onyx
so is fury now better or worse
meager gyro
but they gotta buff outlaw to do that, ass and sub bleeds build threat too slowly
ember apex
rogues do like no threat
meager gyro
rogues do like no threat
my assa on beta pulls threat without tricks, so I run tricks now
ember apex
oh i haven't played beta yet, ill check it out in a couple weeks when i have time
dense elbow
so is fury now better or worse
worse, answer is always worse
shrewd pebble
unreal onyx
worse, answer is always worse
wasn't almost every spekk buffed with atkpower modifier?
shrewd pebble
is it active right now ?
wanton mirage
Does blizz hate us?
unreal onyx
or is the 50% / 0% modifier a straight 50% nerf to the ability
idk how to interpret those changes, I only see increased dmg modifiers
so I think its good
dense elbow
or is the 50% / 0% modifier a straight 50% nerf to the ability
From what I checked, things are a 0 change. Haven't checked Bladestorm, but rumormill is that it got nerfed a bit.
wanton mirage
or is the 50% / 0% modifier a straight 50% nerf to the ability
Yes they reverted the aura buff and give individuals buffs to spells back
sullen dove
Idk how cb and bb work exactly and if it is a flat number or % higher
Psure it’s just based off how much dmg bt and rb do
wanton mirage
But they skipped to rebuff some ablities
sullen dove
so if they got buffed the empowered abilities should’ve too
wanton mirage
Angryman
dense elbow
Would be a shame if slam didnt get buffed, eh?
ember apex
i hate slam so much
coarse nest
Blizzard be like “let’s remove the aura buff and individually buff the abilities on warriors, that’ll get them to think we pay attention to warrior”
dense elbow
I like that they just 0 all aurabuffs - so we start at 0, not at 50%+ modifiers.
south kayak
This isn’t a blizzard post
It’s a wowhead datamining
There’s no official post for these changes yet
dense elbow
Offical post:
"So we heard Fury was having too much fun... so..."
south kayak
Relax lol
dense elbow
I am a beaten horse, of course I am skittish
Blizzard keeps hitting me with a bat, I expect another hit.
"All in the name of balance, of course." - FunDetected Specialist in the WoW Dev Team
calm swallow
Did I just see a ton of fury buffs or am I seeing things?
ember apex
i wouldn't mind the nerf bat once in a while if every boss was like P2 sarkareth, but that's not the case so
sullen dove
i got jilted on sark…
ember apex
p2 sark was prob blizz at it's best in a while
dense elbow
Did I just see a ton of fury buffs or am I seeing things?
To those worried, it seems to just be a fix to remove auramodifers to establish a baseline for the new expansion.
Might be some nerfs in there.
sullen dove
Just good for us cuz add spawns
meager gyro
I bet frenzied enrage becomes better now
old ember
just based on total spell power%, not including the 50% aura buff removal
what about roar tho
tidal beacon
my bloodthirst took a massive nerf
ember apex
sorry fyrakk
p2 fyrakk i meant
sark was good too, but not as good as fyrakk
p2
only
stark cobalt
Currently bloodbath and bloodthirst doing same exact damage
ember apex
raw magnet
Currently bloodbath and bloodthirst doing same exact damage
bloodbath doesn't feel the same, was doing 600k per critted bloodbath now it's 400k
during opener
sullen dove
dam you guys aren’t doing 1.2m? 
ember apex
https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1230008383856316437/126863600906...
that's my top10 mythic raid bosses list
old ember
non 2pc 2pc enjoyers
raw magnet
i don't have season 3 2set have season 4 4set
sullen dove
that's my top10 mythic raid bosses list
Wtf is wrong with you…
what is on number 5 bruh
delete that immediately pls
ember apex
raszageth intermissions were dope
what are u talking about
on par with anduin intermission imo
raw magnet
10 min fight eww
sullen dove
they waste 4 minutes in a 13 minute long fight
ember apex
i said intermissions only, very specifically
old ember
Idk if it was mentioned, but roar was also nerfed by 5% as well it seems
sullen dove
what boss is just kill adds
play m+ basically is what you’re saying you want
pull 12 packs onto a boss gg
ember apex
no M+ is seperaete, that was a Mythic raid boss top 10 list
sullen dove
yea but you aren’t even listing bosses
ember apex
tindral is a boss
sullen dove
listing aoe pad phases of bosses
raw magnet
I like smolderon the best tbh
ember apex
smolderon was D-tier imo
sullen dove
shocker
old ember
smolderon best boss of expansion if not for orb private aura
ember apex
if the orbs that landed on people spawned 5 adds (per orb) that would have been way better
instead of a stupid explosion
raw magnet
like it felt actually hard compared the prior 6 bosses which didn't, felt incredibly engaging
sullen dove
alr bros def memeing
sullen dove
like it felt actually hard compared the prior 6 bosses which didn't, felt incred...
real
raw magnet
nah i mean like when half the raid positions to force floor fire you see all these people moving
raw magnet
nymue had a similar thing but only with melee
sullen dove
yea like dodging fire walls is cool if you’re good at it
raw magnet
also lock closet etc
dense elbow
Good bye RA my old friend
It will never ever ever be fixed 
sullen dove
but seeing ppl dying to every set is
raw magnet
tmw when wow=touhou
ember apex
nymue was only not terrible b/c once u were geared and doing that fight on heroic, you could drop the RNG circle that u used to have to run out with in the box b/c u had the HP for it
and it was a novel way to deal w/ the mechanic
raw magnet
nymue was bad imo cuz colors and having to sort the adds
and also the f off circle yeah
ember apex
being able to dump F off circle underboss was great
raw magnet
like balance dps around mythic add
sullen dove
Until a blood dk DAs and puts his under first
then your ass not goin anywhere under there
charred moon
are the changes hotfixed on live servers?
dense elbow
Could be, we wouldnt see much of a difference. Just check if BB/CB is the same damage as BT/RB atm - if so, changes are live
stark cobalt
are the changes hotfixed on live servers?
Yes
summer whale
So all this stuff for warriors is it new buffs and changes or stuff just now being brought over from beta?
dense elbow
So all this stuff for warriors is it new buffs and changes or stuff just now bei...
Not to worry, there are some possible errors in there. From arms/fury/prot auras being mixed up.
Yet this all is likely just to establish a new baseline for the new expansion
ember apex
dude after seeing those buffs at the end of the patch notes from today
imagine if we got to keep our aura
i know we're not paladins, but still the thought is nice to think about
sage shadow
Idk how to read these notes, are we nerfed or buffed lmao
dense elbow
if that happened, threat would no longer be an AoE issue
dense elbow
Idk how to read these notes, are we nerfed or buffed lmao
Not to worry, there are some possible errors in there. From arms/fury/prot auras being mixed up. Basically it just moved damage from auramods to baseline ability damage.
This all is likely just to establish a new baseline for the new expansion
ember apex
Idk how to read these notes, are we nerfed or buffed lmao
it's bascially a wash
limber locust
BB with s3 2 piece buff hits less than BT with s3 buff for me. Does anyone have this issue as well?
dense elbow
They scuffed RA this tuning round, forgot to modify it. So yeah.
Bloodbath and Crushing Blow was forgotten for now. Will likely be fixed in a couple of days
heavy tinsel
I’m thinking they placed the change because they wanted us to stop stacking vers, and round out our other stats
I believe vers worked better with straight aura modifier rather than allowing the option of haste, crit, and mastery being the benefitting stat weights
I could be wrong
dense elbow
As the damage numbers those stats works of, are the same. Nothing changed
100 damage before the change, should still be 100 damage now. It was only the hidden aurabuffs that got melted into our baseline damage.
heavy tinsel
Sure, sure. I mean on the later scaling
waxen vale
?
dense elbow
Nothing changed, baseline numbers the stats work of are the same.
heavy tinsel
Not just this patch, but for future numbers. Not sure what would outscale further at convergence
dense elbow
Lets say Raging Blow did 100 damage, now it also does 100 damage. All that happened was on the backend (hidden from us) the numbers got made baseline instead baseline+auramod
meager void
"not sure what would outscale further at convergence" is either a brilliant statement or nonsense.
waxen vale
yeah wtf are you saying
heavy tinsel
"not sure what would outscale further at convergence" is either a brilliant stat...
Meaning when the parallels meet of stacking with ATP or stacking with the aura buff
waxen vale
this is warrior discord
dense elbow
Aurabuff worked on the baseline, then stat mods worked on that
waxen vale
not theoretical physics
dense elbow
Aurabuff did not affect mastery/crit/haste/vers values
Well, not directly, only through affecting the baseline. The baseline still being the same.
heavy tinsel
Okie dokie, ty @dense elbow
waxen vale
I think they are referring to percentages upon percentages vs percentages upon values. but that hurts my brain so I just gonna say haha nerd
❤️
meager void
lol nerds.
dark frost
@heavy tinsel is stupid dont listen to him
meager void
so pending RA inclusion into this tuning, 2pc 2pc RA is dead in pre-patch right?
heavy tinsel
haha nerd @dark frost
dense elbow
RA is dead, yarp
dark frost
so pending RA inclusion into this tuning, 2pc 2pc RA is dead in pre-patch right?
Why would it be
dense elbow
Just go AM, as blizz intended
dark frost
Oh sheeee
meager void
Just go AM, as blizz intended
Lure looks so shiny I might bite.
dark frost
Wait why is RA dead?
warped bone
Haha what is that transmog across season in the recap. It's not using the mogged. Just base items
dark frost
Bug?
dense elbow
Wait why is RA dead?
yep, forgot to fix the values for it
waxen vale
ye. not rly a bug just an oversight
dark frost
Im not gonna play til tuesday anyway so i dgaf
dense elbow
They really should just fix RA to be a fixed %mod to RB/BT to stop it from breaking all the time :v
compact knot
yeah that 100% what it should be
you rampage and your next raging blow and bloodthirst do 50% more damage type thing
frozen mirage
God. Bloodbath is doing nothing now
past ingot
In pre patch or beta?
Was doing a lot in pre patch, would assume if high mast and vers
inner zinc
how much weaker are CB/BB?
heavy tinsel
big slimmy
swordy wordy
inner zinc
big oof
compact knot
but thats 100% not intended