fury

[modest condor]

i mean

it's a prepatch guide

didnt exactly put the same effort into it as a proper expansion one

[coral dock]

i know, it just feels so foreign switching from ravager lol

[edgy widget]

I see it?

oh you mean Bladestorm is missing

[coral dock]

on icy veins, even when i select bladestorm over ravager, the rotation never recommends it

[edgy widget]

probably a break in the formatting somewhere, lemme check

(fwiw Bladestorm has pretty low ST priority in pre-patch though)

[coral dock]

yeah i figured it would benefit more once we get the lvl 80 talent things

[edgy widget]

ok I found it

type="checkbox" disabled="disabled" /> @@@WoWBladestorm@@@</td>```

the switch was misnamed so it wasn't turning on the proper line - should fix in the next update

[viscid grove]

FURY WAR IN PVP NOW just seems to fall over dead or is there something im missing

[edgy widget]

I would recommend #pvp , this channel is more for PvE content

[inland spire]

I have a weird question since I'm like open mouth staring at details' way it's all split up lol.... how many main-hand hits and off-hand hits does Odyn's Fury cause within its direct damage portion?

[modest condor]

2 mainhand and 2 offhand

and yes, details has it split weirdly

[inland spire]

gotcha okay ty

[modest condor]

1: 1 mainhand hit and the dot
2: 2nd mainhand hit
3: both offhand hits

[inland spire]

ahhhhh okay

[edgy widget]

it's not actually details fault - that's just the odd way that Blizz set it up

[buoyant salmon]

what

[covert blaze]

is there an id you can put on details to combine them? like obliterate for dk

[unreal onyx]

[errant pond]

any macros for the leggo?

[eternal sundial]

/use Fyralath tbh

Nothing u can rlly do

[ashen nexus]

Hai warriors! I haven't touched mine since legion where I was primarily tanking, so how he's dusted off, and I see alot of top warriors use 2x2 set.. Is it worth thinking about as a maybe 15-16 mythic key dps runner?
And how would I even go about getting S3 t3 now?

[radiant plank]

if you dont have maxilvl s3 you dont play 2+2

[eternal sundial]

Its also more fun with 4p imo as you dont see bs wasting ur stacks in aoe

[ashen nexus]

I don't have max ilvl anything atm. 😄 I dinged yday haha. Im at around 504 total

[eternal sundial]

Play new 4 set then

And remember to grab ashkandur for bullions

[ashen nexus]

Yeah I bought most of the stuff

No lgendary :<

[lavish crypt]

Shame

[ashen nexus]

I got weapon, double trinkets, cloak, a ring. I guess ring no 2 and puzzle trinket next, and then is there even anything left?

[unreal onyx]

Ring 2

[covert blaze]

more trinkets

[ashen nexus]

Which ones?

I got Augury and Cataclysmic.
Still got like 5 bullions leftover.

[slim pollen]

I like my oce when i don't bother with puzzle. It's nice to be able to swap the stat for different specs/settings and what not.
Basically a chil comfort pick 😄

[covert blaze]

OCE probably

[ashen nexus]

Aight. And then just run low dungeons for crests -_-

[blissful kestrel]

Expac ends in under a month I wouldn't bother farming Ur gear up

Just have fun

[flat river]

what is BiS raid trinket?

augry and what

i know BiS MT is augry and call to chaos

but raid you dont really press area of effect abilities unless in mt situations

do we still use it for odyns?

and bladestorm/ravager?

[warm crag]

probably signet can just look it up

[flat river]

in pre-patch?

doubt

[warm crag]

oce or signet

[flat river]

oce?

[warm crag]

i thought you were the chef you should know this

[flat river]

not good with shortcuts

chefs dont take shortcuts

[warm crag]

ominous chromatic essence

if you want info like that you can just go on wclogs and look at top 100 trinket stats

[flat river]

can i get a link

[covert blaze]

look at logs ig

i've been using OCE, I like it

[flat river]

oki ty

we use oce vers right?

[covert blaze]

sim

i use all stats cause i cba dealing with OCE

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-how-to-win-your-next-fist-fight-gif-26696124

[flat river]

outlaw rouge moment

[flat river]

i have 8 trinkets

5 awakened

3 mythic raid drop

[modest pollen]

hey guys im sorry if this is a stupid question...but after rampage do i press bloodbath or crushing blow first

[nocturne dragon]

prefer CB first to add more crit chance

[unique locust]

i prefer BB , because i use S3 tier. but i dont know if i am right

[nocturne dragon]

Hmmm I think if you use 2p+2p the order can be BB and CB after you odyn's fury since after OF you will get guarantee crit on BB.
But outside of odyn's I think it will be better to CB then BB to add more crit chance via bloodcraze.

[covert blaze]

cb if you can, because of bloodcraze

[covert blaze]

the tier set doesn't cleave iirc

[upbeat sentinel]

Blizz just deleted the post about the pre patch event

Hopefully means they’re about to significantly change it 🙏

[bleak trench]

Wait what post? And why was it deleted?

[upbeat sentinel]

The one outlining the event, with all the timers week by week

[bleak trench]

Hmmge

[nocturne dragon]

What do you mean? it's not about the cleave. The S3 make after Odyn's Fury your BT/BB guarantee crit, so no need to CB before BB.
But outside that it's better to CB before BB to add more crit chance.

[upbeat sentinel]

Hopefully means the timers and functionality of the event are changing

At the very least it should respawn every like 15 minutes and let you do it again, but maybe only once per cycle per char

[covert blaze]

it's not guarantee crit in aoe is what i'm saying.
also CB is just a better button in general, and you don't want to manually press BB inside of ravager anyway

[upbeat sentinel]

But that wouldn’t necessarily require rewriting the rules so maybe just up all the time and we can do it repeatedly

[nocturne dragon]

I think it is guarantee crit in AoE, you can whirlwind to get the cleave buff and test it on dummy.

so far I know 5 target got the Cold Steel Hot Blood bleed debuff.

[covert blaze]

1 s3 2p bb

[nocturne dragon]

Well let yellow or orange settle this then. So far I know it's guarantee crit.

[sour frigate]

[slim pollen]

Yeh, the OF buffed bb is absolutely not guaranteed to crit outside of the main target

[covert blaze]

in 1 target yeah

like i said

you can go test yourself

[nocturne dragon]

I don't use the 2p+2p but so far I know back during S3 it was guarantee crit

that's why our sustain is quite high in M+ because you got 5 target gushing wound healing you.

[covert blaze]

it is a guaranteed crit but not for ww cleaved bbs or bts

this was common knowledge during s3

not sure why you're arguin this

but you do you

[upbeat sentinel]

Gushing wounds healing you means warriors are vampires

[covert blaze]

crazy that in 1 cast the min crit is 162k and the max crit is 756k, almost like the tier set doesn't cleave

[sour frigate]

i do like 1.5kk in exe phase with purple face thingy

[woeful birch]

Man this 1/2 armored to the teeth (without loosing the capstones) triggers me so hard...

[eternal sundial]

4% class tuning per point xd

[quiet geyser]

It was only guaranteed on the main target

[dense elbow]

Warriors keep saying they never get invited to keys, but I never see any sign

[glad coyote]

servers down again?

[dense elbow]

EU is up atleast

[covert blaze]

i finished an m0 on my alt with 2 minutes left

[bleak trench]

hmmge thursday maintenance

[upbeat sentinel]

Right after they deleted their post about the pre patch event

It’s about to get reworked hard

[hardy cargo]

The dragon flight fury s3 2p only guarantees a crit on your primary target, not all targets

[upbeat sentinel]

Or I’m huffing hopium

Diablo on 4 hour maintenance

We better not be

[hardy cargo]

@nocturne dragon

[nocturne dragon]

Hmmm was that "against primary target" always been there? Seems I don't read that part, or I might miss it.

[covert blaze]

lol

[coarse nest]

It’s ok, wouldn’t be very warrior of you to read

[upbeat sentinel]

He’s the perfect fury warrior

[hardy cargo]

yes it has always been there

[upbeat sentinel]

Completely illiterate

[hardy cargo]

that was a complaint prior to the set coming out

[covert blaze]

need silm to copy paste one of our messages to convince him i guess

[hardy cargo]

bc it felt fucking weird for the bonus not to cleave

[coarse nest]

Numba big me zug

[upbeat sentinel]

Patch notes nerfing us have no impact on Valk’s mood

It must be nice

[nocturne dragon]

I mainly play prot, just fury occasionally for some solo content stuff.

[nocturne dragon]

well we have our own moment right?

[astral edge]

Just made a fury warrior in pandaria mode. It cannot dual wield. Why'?

[hardy cargo]

Are u sure u aren’t talented into arms rn? Or prot?

Bc fury can definitely dual wield in remix

[astral edge]

yes

[coarse nest]

I haven’t leveled fury in ages

Do you have to unlock titans grip?

[fickle bluff]

no

[coarse nest]

Must be arms spec then

[astral edge]

I'm not arms spec. Blowing my mind

[coarse nest]

Very odd

[astral edge]

Bloodthirst is on my bar

Now it worked. Thx for your help. Sometimes just talking things through helps me unga bunga

[fast mural]

which buff of OCE are people using now ? i cant find it on logs

[upbeat sentinel]

I have crashed 4x in Valdrak since the server reset

somETHING IS BROKEN!!!!!

[covert blaze]

all stats is probably fine

[calm ermine]

Do we use Exe during Ravager or just Ramp>RB?

Sometimes i just cant spend RA stacks and already have Ramp up

[covert blaze]

overcapping rage is fine when playing RA

[upbeat sentinel]

theres no way they did a reset without fixing this event

[ember apex]

this event is so bad, it's actually crazy, everything dies in a single global

polearm is 8K currency 1 mob gives 1 currency

[dense elbow]

I think the event is bad - because I just dont see the fun in waiting 1 hour and 30min, over and over

[ember apex]

the problem is they had to make it easy for people who are undergeared - totally fine - but there's no way for me to farm this event as a mythic geared character

[dense elbow]

What do you mean farm, all you do is the 1:3h events with the quest

[ember apex]

yeah everything about it was garbage i was looking forward to collectiing that armor set + weps but like idk im not gonna farm mobs to get 1 currency per mob when a weapon is like 8k currency

[dense elbow]

then you jump alts for more currency

[ember apex]

i tried that, the mobs only get 1 currency

[dense elbow]

No, the quests

nothing else matters

[ember apex]

the quests are 1 time

im talking about spamming

daily

[dense elbow]

For each character, no?

[ember apex]

brother i play in like 1hr bursts then i go do shit, if the event is happening when i play im SoL

so i have to bench mark off the mobs b/c that's realiastically what im gonna be doing

[dense elbow]

Welp, ya doomed

[ember apex]

im not gonna be playing for 10 hrs alt swapping every 1hr 30 mins dilligently, im at work and shit

[dense elbow]

event is made to be the most boring slowly grind fest ever

as seen with the 1h 30m timers

[ember apex]

but normally like if u remember the pre-dragonflight ones there were high HP mobs u could farm if u were a geared character

and do the event faster if u had more gear

that doesnt exist now

[dense elbow]

They just want you to suffer

[ember apex]

i can just sit in the middle and spam WW and trinket proc kills the mob

[dense elbow]

Or do what I am doing, just skip the event

[ember apex]

i cant, that's the only place to get that mog

im gonna show up to next expansion and be the only account w/o it

[dense elbow]

fomo strikes again

[latent hedge]

The cycle is going to be quicker week by week. This is the good kind of FOMO, it’s easy and everyone can do it and gain what they want with little effort.

[tidal kindle]

Guys we scaled

[radiant plank]

[winter shoal]

Fellas I did a heroic alt raid last night and I'm giga washed

How 2 get good

[unique locust]

FOMO is never good

[latent hedge]

Wrong. Limited timed rewards adds to the special nature of limited timed events.

[covert blaze]

Look at logs

[winter shoal]

I looked at logs and saw I'm washed

What next

(I'm mostly shitposting but if anyone actually has good tips lmk)

[brittle dock]

I find I do more damage if I don't stand in the swirlies.

[covert blaze]

Don't press bt/bb during ravager

[winter shoal]

Zhai are you actually looking at my logs? I gotta warn you on magmorax and echo I 100% tabbed out to shitpost in discord, and on sark I had to go downstairs in p3 bc our tank turned the boss around with the frontal

[unreal onyx]

[glass lagoon]

You have like 3 weeks to get what you want and the events will happen quicker right?

[latent hedge]

They’re changing how the events operate.

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-radiant-echoes-improvements-incoming-345603

[modest pollen]

ty very much

[ember apex]

good. the 1 currency per 1 mob and a polearm costs 8000 was stupid

[covert blaze]

I'm not I don't know your character name just mentioned something that I thought important

[winter shoal]

Word, on a less-shitposty note I was prioing cb > ramp > exe > bb in that order whereas the other fury was doing ramp > bb > cb > exe and he beat me on every boss rashok comparison
My CB and RB cpm are way higher than his, and BB/BT are very close to his, so idk what the real problem is. Looks like a big delta around 90s cds - he got one more BB during that time, and his average BB was 150k more than mine

My spear hit so it's not an EM diff

Also heroic raid and no monk/shaman/druid so literally the least relevant logs imaginable

[red burrow]

Gosh I just love Reckless Abandon. Absolutely the best thing added to fury ever.

And I love that bladestorm is back. Though I know that's a split opinion.

But fury war dev has cooked

[winter shoal]

The RA changes for TWW are way better than RA was most of df

[terse meadow]

how long should i keep roar and odyn on cooldown to wait for combination with recklessness ?

[winter shoal]

With AM you mean? The answer is generally no more than a couple seconds, unless there's a damage amp/add phase coming up

With RA they should basically always be synced

[red burrow]

Yeah. RA flows very nice now and I love how it has synergy with the talent that makes raging blow increase bloodthirst chance to crit. Makes for some juicy Bloodbaths.

[terse meadow]

yeah im playin with am actually ... is RA the better choice ? i coming from a long break and back then am was the only way to go

[winter shoal]

Generally AM in keys, RA in raid (for now)

[compact knot]

RA and AM are both decent imo

[winter shoal]

RA can also be good in keys sometimes

[compact knot]

both are very fun

[terse meadow]

kk

[winter shoal]

Wowhead guide is updated for prepatch and has talent builds and everything

[red burrow]

On Wowhead I thought they said RA was better for aoe at the moment. I'd be fine with it just being best for everything cause it's way more interesting than AM is.

[covert blaze]

@winter shoal your opener is wrong

you should ravager before avatar

and you casted rampage twice with no RA spells in between

[terse meadow]

and what about bladestorm vs ravager ? in keys ?

[winter shoal]

Oh you right

[eternal sundial]

bs prolly better rn

[red burrow]

Didn't they change Ravager to no longer give the damage buff like in DF? Now it just throws bloodthirsts. So you still ravager first?

I would imagine at least since it no longer gives buffs the timing couldn't be that impactful on your dps like it used to be.

[winter shoal]

Yes, hurricane is gone

[covert blaze]

you should track ravager ticks and CB -> BB (Rav) -> Ramp -> CB ->BB (Rav)

[eternal sundial]

@covert blazerizz or sexual harassment fit

[compact knot]

jail time

[winter shoal]

Don't really need to track that, right? It's just ramp > cb on repeat during reck/rav?

[compact knot]

(it looks good)

[eternal sundial]

(fullset gaming)

[covert blaze]

You can, tracking is preferrable imo

[compact knot]

full set gaming is fine

[eternal sundial]

its elite so its not shit

[compact knot]

i have the full venthry set tbh

[buoyant salmon]

no need to track it just 'feel' it

if ur a gamer

[eternal sundial]

that one is a bit mid on f human unfort

[winter shoal]

I've been known to game

[covert blaze]

also you should probably OF around 2 seconds after spear so the entire dot is inside of spear

[compact knot]

nah u can make it work with right weapons and cape imo

[eternal sundial]

i never use capes idk

[winter shoal]

I've been OFing when the TT bleed expires

[covert blaze]

big rizz

[compact knot]

use the blademaster one

thats a good cape

it hides ur weapons though so idk

just whirlwind and you can see them

[compact knot]

bad

[covert blaze]

you can pandemic OF somewhat, I think if you have second left or something

[compact knot]

very bad

[covert blaze]

you want OF inside of spear tho

[winter shoal]

I played roar all of df so need to get used to spear timing

[red burrow]

I still don't like thunderous roar. Just feels like kinda a copy of spear with some slight differences. Big aoe button that has a secondary dot effect and an increase to your damage passive. I dunno. Would have preferred something a bit more fresh

[eternal sundial]

i dont have sets on my dk man its so sad

[eternal sundial]

what would you design

[thick oar]

Man im so fucking done seeing cool 1h swords in the trading post and not being able to mog them

[red burrow]

Personally I'd bring back storm of swords but that's just me.

[compact knot]

the lemon peppa steppers

[winter shoal]

SoS gameplay is turbo cringe imo

[red burrow]

Sure. But it is a different playstyle. I liked it at least.

[compact knot]

was it really different though?

[winter shoal]

Also SoS with nerfed UF is despair

[red burrow]

Kinda. More reliant on whirlwinds now and you don't need to sync as many cd's. So it gave you a slightly simplified rotation with more consistent damage

[winter shoal]

I'm gonna hard disagree with you on that one chief

S2 fury was ramp rb ramp rb on repeat with your kaching every 10s or so, and AM made your cds super short (more consistent damage)

S3 when we played anni SoS you had more buttons and no AM so your 90s burst was spikier

Granted there was OF cdr but still

[red burrow]

I'm more thinking of it as how it would probably play now. As all of that had its own variables per season as to why it may have played a certain way. Spec could easily be designed with SoS and AM to streamline your rotation for hyper consistency. Which would be a fun build honestly.

[winter shoal]

I don't really see how SoS makes your rotation or damage more consistent

It's the difference of bt > filler > filler vs bt > filler > filler, just that in one case your fillers are rb and in the other they're slam/ww

[eternal sundial]

i think the boots being tilted forwards is so horrible

[compact knot]

yeah the boots are a problem

everything else is fine imo

[next canopy]

Man we feel strong in m+. My gear is whack and I’m keeping up with ilvl 528 people 3KRIO

[eternal sundial]

idk i dont enjoy f human for mog as much as my orc

3k and 528 is the freeest its ever been

[winter shoal]

Can you still get io?

[compact knot]

im 524 ilvl

big noob

[winter shoal]

Or do you just mean shitters are able to get 3k/high ilvl more easily than previous seasons

[compact knot]

[winter shoal]

Bc I'm that shitter

[eternal sundial]

you can still get it iirc

just no title n shit

[next canopy]

I did this morning. What is considered a hard key? I’m doing level 15-16 with shitty heroic gear and even lower

[eternal sundial]

im sure a 22 is hard

[next canopy]

Anyways Fury is blasting it feels

The opener has led me to insta deaths tho lol

[compact knot]

18-20+ is considered the hard range for groups prob

[next canopy]

Even after waiting a bit … lol 😝

[compact knot]

top tier groups are doing 20+ i think

[bitter palm]

i was 515 as arms and beating timmas 530 as fury on st

fury dead

go next

(in prepatch)

[next canopy]

Fury needs rework

[eternal sundial]

i liked this set on orc

[final birch]

Current keys are hard to measure

They feel a lot easier than s4 keys

[next canopy]

That’s what I’m saying they feel way to easy

[final birch]

Because of overtuned tanks + dps

[next canopy]

Gotcha

[final birch]

23’s are easily doable

[hardy cargo]

tier 3 looks so fucking good on m orc, need the hunch tho upright orc aint it

[final birch]

Maybe 24 av if u can survive

[next canopy]

I was doing 23-25 in season 2

[eternal sundial]

female better

[final birch]

So its really hard to say

23-25 in s2 is like 14’s in s4

[eternal sundial]

the issues this set has

is shoulders are not wide enough for gloves

LMAO

[next canopy]

Do we become the Aug and get insta invite in TWW m+

[final birch]

Too early to tell

Anyone who says they know

Talks crap

Aug is likely to become meta in m+, very very likely

But we dont know anything for sure

And if anything its only because its a singular support spec

Tunings are gonna come, both to classes, specs & dungeons

[red burrow]

I mean, if I was really gonna design a new bottom row talent, I'd make it something execute focused. I would honestly love condemn back but I know it has balancing issues so maybe not. But I wouldn't hate seeing it. But truthfully I think maybe like every rampage empowers execute damage or something could be cool. And allowing it to be free cast and refreshing its CD or something. Maybe too strong as well. But we need more execute stuff for fury.

[bitter palm]

demolish damage increased by 400%

arms meta

pull around demolish

[final birch]

Combustion 30 sec cd

Fire mage meta

[eternal sundial]

i do rlly like this fullset though

[radiant plank]

Use ToS normal or hc gauntlets instead

[compact knot]

condemn was my favorite ability (ever) but i dont think it would fix much around our single target

[eternal sundial]

grew on me a lot since no dk uses it now

cuz sl is done

[compact knot]

they would have to add something like you stated

[eternal sundial]

swap tabard go helm kinda ait

[next canopy]

One of the coolest in the game

[eternal sundial]

but i rlly like scriers too

[covert blaze]

lit

fire even

[eternal sundial]

i do think scrier is just the better tabard

in general

[covert blaze]

only correct sword mog btw

[radiant plank]

Try maybe with tabard of fury

[eternal sundial]

ashkandur wasn tbad

tbf

[next canopy]

My IO is like 2000 and I’m running with 3500 hahaha

[eternal sundial]

clean

[covert blaze]

I like the model kinda but the colors are so bad

I farmed taeshalach for years on multiple characters

[eternal sundial]

LFR antorus legs are so underrated

[covert blaze]

it dropped on a hunter iirc xdd

[eternal sundial]

sooooo good

[eternal sundial]

no

[covert blaze]

I wish I had the elite version of the antorus set

[eternal sundial]

looks shite

[radiant plank]

why are u dissing philwar

[eternal sundial]

(i dont have it)

this one and elite version would be ait

[radiant plank]

it was twitch prime reward wtf

how u dont have

[eternal sundial]

i do not have twitch prime

[covert blaze]

poggies antorus mog

[radiant plank]

Show the warrior lineup

[eternal sundial]

thisd work

but cba get

[eternal sundial]

wait lemme grab the good set

[radiant plank]

Bro knows 2 mogs

[covert blaze]

dont need any more

[compact knot]

i only have 1 mog

[compact knot]

[eternal sundial]

i gotta fix rage bar

sec

annoys me

[covert blaze]

perish

syi tier mog

[eternal sundial]

fym

its ait

looks dece on orc

[covert blaze]

mog so bad

it has to be ragebait

ngl

[eternal sundial]

purple = win remember

(i forgor which belt i used to use)

[compact knot]

5 years ago maybe

[covert blaze]

I dm'd you some stuff

[winter shoal]

Thanks king will look after work

[eternal sundial]

@covert blazeT2

[covert blaze]

delet

[eternal sundial]

not fullset

i dont think ive ever seen anyone run around with that one

all mine

[frosty magnet]

guys how do i spam rampage without onslaught? i see it isnt as good anymore but i dont rgenerate enough rage

[edgy widget]

What this pic makes me think of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HRY4LUl5lc

[jovial coral]

freaky ahh Phil

[eternal sundial]

you use your fillers

like u used to

[edgy widget]

use bloodthirst more, not just at max stacks or w/e

[covert blaze]

you also use the antorus set with taeshalach don't you

[radiant plank]

Best glad set of the expac

[edgy widget]

https://tenor.com/view/damn-right-breaking-bad-gif-14029087

I meant more the names of your characters though

[eternal sundial]

wrong weapon sir

[covert blaze]

oh i know i just remembered

[radiant plank]

Swapped to normal ashkandur

[edgy widget]

actually right now I'm using the savage gladiator w/e trading post set w/ Ashkandur for my Arms tmog

[covert blaze]

bet if you could see the amount of warrior that use that mog the % would be very high

[eternal sundial]

such new very wow!

[covert blaze]

walmart alexstrasza

[radiant plank]

Try blood elf bandit mask

[gloomy loom]

Taeshalac still best skin in the game

[eternal sundial]

no

dont rlly like masks

[radiant plank]

Boo

[eternal sundial]

it does match but i have a tabard over it

so it kinda doesnt again

xd

[radiant plank]

take the tabard out

[edgy widget]

actually forgot I changed the hat; chest doesn't really match though

[covert blaze]

I hate tabards so much

[frosty magnet]

my drip

😄

[edgy widget]

this is Arms

[covert blaze]

[edgy widget]

boots are a little off, but I like it overall

[covert blaze]

is the chest one of the 10.1 mogs

[eternal sundial]

funny how you treat fury to a worse mog overall

[edgy widget]

Chest is from Sanctum of Domination, but what you see there is the Black Dragonflight tabard
only visible part of the chest is that ringmail pattern on the arms

[eternal sundial]

at least the sword is correct

[eternal sundial]

did you end up trying normal ashkandur btw?

[edgy widget]

I used to use (mostly) full juggernaut, but I liked the new helm; real nice "dragonrider" vibe

and tried to build something around it

kinda messy, but w/e

[winter shoal]

Any lumberjack enjoyers

[covert blaze]

try the DF crafted boots maybe

[edgy widget]

Yeah, I actually thought of those but didn't have them crafted at the time; p sure I do now though

[edgy widget]

yeah normal ashkandur is also nice

[eternal sundial]

warband so beans cuz of how it holds the sword

[left perch]

dope back effect too

[edgy widget]

yeah crafted boots are a little off too, nothing really matches

[eternal sundial]

troll affix

[edgy widget]

who let you back in here? 🤔

[left perch]

well, I left I wasn't banned (yet?)

[covert blaze]

damn the boots are barely not dark enough

[edgy widget]

yet...

[radiant plank]

Walhe gone NoO

[eternal sundial]

doesnt get better

[eternal sundial]

ur not levelled yet

[radiant plank]

Philbonk goes hard

[eternal sundial]

hate leveling

philbonk unfortunately is a dk

[radiant plank]

u can do the leveling from 33 now

[edgy widget]

sadly the back effect is lost on death, but I found a nice little way around it

#showtooltip Battle Shout
/use Fortitude of Niuzao
/use Battle Shout

[radiant plank]

after prepatch

on remix

[eternal sundial]

NA character frfr

[eternal sundial]

that tells me nothing

i dont do the cringe minmax

i sometimes log in and do lfr

then i log out

[left perch]

that's pretty goated lol

[eternal sundial]

what you have to do

is macro 1 into OP

other into MS

so it shuffles

ive had it for a while with yulon and chiji

also adds to the most relevant metic CPM

[edgy widget]

yeah I tried that too, but it'll throw error messages if you do it too fast and they were annoying me

plus I like the ox more

[eternal sundial]

i have those disabled so it didnt annoy me too much

which you use it personal taste

but if you macro cancel and cast into anything every proc casts fresh wings

[edgy widget]

too bad other people don't see them

[eternal sundial]

i think itd be incredibly annoying if we did

[edgy widget]

probably but that's half the fun

ok ok here we go

put one set of wings on ravager, another on CS, and another on Demolish

[covert blaze]

how is wrath and fury not fixed yet

real question no meme

(rare)

[eternal sundial]

this is new right

cringe

[summer mirage]

where execute fits at the actual beta M+ rotation (Rampage -> BT)

?

[unreal onyx]

#1230008383856316437 propably can help you better with that one

[summer mirage]

great, ty

[slim pollen]

Late to the party but lets gooo!

[young swan]

[slim pollen]

(the mog btw, not weapon, realized I might have to clarify) 😂

[winter shoal]

Still can't believe they took my big swords from me

[balmy tusk]

Does anybody have a suggestion for a good spell reflect weak aura? i cant seem to find one on wago by looking for it by name.

[modest pollen]

do i ignore RA procs in favour of rampage or do i still use them even if i then overcap?

[brittle dock]

Pretty sure you use the bb one.

[modest pollen]

ty

[brittle dock]

I was wrong, that's with the 2p/2p proc'd. Without it you use CB then ramp again.

at least according to the wowhead rotation.

[modest pollen]

ty again

[red burrow]

I wish they'd put intervene at a better position on the tree. I miss using that ability.

[brittle dock]

It's literally one of the first talents you can pick. Where would be a better placement? Something one is required to pick up to path somewhere else?

[red burrow]

If it was put where pain and gain was that would be nice.

So you can still go shockwave

[eager relic]

I think we die enough without intervene lmao

[bitter palm]

fury autointervenes

[red burrow]

I mostly use it as mobility. Good way to quickly get out of floor stuff

[winter shoal]

If you die on fury and it's not a full wipe, you're trolling

[bitter palm]

when u press odyns fury anyway

[winter shoal]

Fury is immortal in raid

[brittle dock]

is your heroic leap button broken?

[bitter palm]

fury is immortal in all combat

content*

[red burrow]

No. But it's just an extra bit of mobility when you don't have heroic or you need the extra distance.

It's saved my butt a few times in shadowlands at least

And there we have even more mobility

[brittle dock]

We're melee. We don't want extra distance.

[red burrow]

Eh. Plenty of fights that basically tell you to get off boss and get far away. Not every boss fight is standing under boss 100% of the time.

[winter shoal]

Intervene was kinda goated on Sennarth tbh

[red burrow]

Like dance macab I would intervene to my target quickly

[brittle dock]

all that would do is let you stand in your square doing nothing longer. there was plenty of time to move. maybe it's just me but heroic leap and charge have been more than enough movement abilities for me.

[red burrow]

I guess it's preference. But intervene was good for the quick micromovements. And then saving heroic leap for either getting back on boss faster, or getting to another destination fast. Like if you need to run to one position, then go to the next position during a fight.

[red burrow]

Shockwave I can neglect in raid but in anything else I dunno, I feel like you're foolish not taking it. Free stun essentially.

It doesn't bring giga damage but usefulness isn't all determined by that.

[next canopy]

You copied my mog bud

[summer quail]

huh? intervene is so early, it's extremely easy to pick up if you want it

[red burrow]

It just doesn't connect to anything Fury would want.

[summer quail]

it doesn't need to

[red burrow]

Would just help its position is all I am saying.

Basically pain and gain imo is such a dookie talent. If it replaced that part on the tree it would free up a talent slot for me to still get Shockwave and another talent of my choice.

[analog kite]

why the heck are fury warriors so strong rn

[modest condor]

we got a big fat aura buff going into prepatch

[analog kite]

jesus

i smell a nerf coming soon

unless hero talents are just ass for warrior

[red berry]

lol

the prepatch is a mess. its going to be. they always are

[red burrow]

Heh they might be honestly. I dunno none of the warrior hero talents scream insanity to me.

[red berry]

do not take prepatch experience as indicative of what will be the case at 80

its less of whether or not they're 'bad' or 'good' and more what catches up. there's still tuning left to do. they're still doing tuning, for that matter. it will be a different game at 80

fury hero talents are alright though

[willow cradle]

Fun too

Unlike rogues

Feels bad for em

[next canopy]

I don’t think I’ve ever felt us this strong. I started in BFA

[ember apex]

i have mixed feelings on it, gameplay and class/spec feel is HARD NERFED but the damage on the meters is undeniable

[next canopy]

I like the gameplay rn. Feels very fury to me

[ember apex]

i haven't played beta but retail feels slower, like S3, which was like the worst season for how fury feels (again the damage in s3 was good/fine)

[sour frigate]

literally me

[sullen dove]

“Oh nyoo I need the newest atrocity ui elv ui update patch or I can’t play the video game mfs vs default ui gigachads”

[analog kite]

end bfa arms was the stronger spec

[brittle crow]

we love default ui around here

(i still use a cooldown tracker WA)

[next canopy]

Yeah true in raid we was pumping as arms

[polar narwhal]

warriors dont have brain

impossibke

[meager void]

it's really hard to pump without bagnon man

[brittle crow]

WHY DOES WOWHEAD LOOK DIFFERENT I DONT LIKE IT

@edgy widget ur a wowhead guy can i revert...

ok maybe its better now

actually

[edgy widget]

it's certainly a change, but the nice part is you can collapse sections you don't care about now

[brittle crow]

at first i didnt like it cuz the option to hide diablo news wasnt working

then it started working again

[pure flint]

hhhhhhhhhhhhHHHHHHAAAAA

[edgy widget]

might have hit a snag, I know they've been making updates

[pure flint]

https://tenor.com/view/zyzz-zyzz-dancing-dancing-sikkunt-gif-24180193

[edgy widget]

https://i.gyazo.com/8fd838920073d8f0a93270eb41507bed.mp4

like this part feels really unintuitive to me, so that's something I suggested be improved

but I like the idea, and you can't innovate if you don't try new things!

[brittle crow]

i say collapse it to the left/right?

and have the arrows pointing in the new directions to match

so if u collapse just one then ur still gonna have MOST of the row be what u want

but without it teleportin

g

[edgy widget]

left should collapse on top, right should collapse on bottom (since most people in the west read top left to bottom right)

at least that seems most intuitive to me

[analog kite]

rip

[severe pine]

When using the S4 4p set, do you still build 95% crit before using BB, even with the RA/OF build?

[copper crescent]

How do you get 2p 2p instead of the season 4 4p?

[next canopy]

Are delves going to be like m+ with a timer but solo content/duo?

[severe pine]

Typically, you have to use the item restoration service to recover them if you had them during season 3.

[copper crescent]

ahh so not really possible for a player returning in prepatch?

[severe pine]

I don't think so.

[sinful spoke]

i now have

chat

4 leggos

lOL

[young swan]

can i have 1

[sinful spoke]

yeah ofc u can xan

ur one of the homies

[young swan]

[copper crescent]

How likely would it be to get the fyr leggo just starting from this week? Or should I just buy 2 weapons with bullions

[sinful spoke]

well

i just got one

so 50/50 chance

u either get it or u dont

[sullen dove]

[sullen dove]

(unless ur clearing mythic for the next 3 weeks and even then u barely have a chance no)

[steel lily]

what talents do i run if i dont have the old 2 set bonus?

is it still the same spec?

[copper crescent]

👍

[young swan]

yar

[empty mirage]

BRO WHAT THE FUCK DID THEY DO TO THESE

[young swan]

neutered them

[empty mirage]

this game sucks

[meager gyro]

I'm over here waiting for one hander lego this expansion

[empty mirage]

and i cant even open my bags tf we got goin on over here

[pure flint]

Bros got the dagger

[empty mirage]

oh bagnon is COOKED

[sinful spoke]

assassination rogue

[sour frigate]

Im monk main

[dark frost]

does avatar OF and regular OF damage stack

[nocturne dragon]

as in the dots? I think they refreshed only.

[sour frigate]

They do stack

[dark frost]

the dots yes

[empty mirage]

so wsw with fury rn are we good i aint played in months

[ashen nexus]

With ilvl can be catalysted into S3 tier, anyone knows?

[hardy cargo]

Iirc pandemic window is like 1.5s so put a cpl globals in between pressed but I could be stupid

If you are rocking BS should be fine to just press right after BS

[brittle dock]

only real way to get s3 is restore from gear you had during s3. I don't think you can get new versions of it now.

[ashen nexus]

Ah okay. My warrior wasen't at that lvl at the time.

[brittle dock]

it's not a big deal, this pre-patch is a fun time for war but isn't real if you know what I mean.

[ashen nexus]

Yeah I gotchu, still fun atm ^^

[dark frost]

i mean you want the dot during TR right so if they stack just send ava/roar>OF>BS

[hardy cargo]

TR lasts 10 seconds anyways, so you could split them up entirely

But in saying I don’t think they stack 100% I think it just pandemics

Someone smarter than me will know for sure, but I know we played around it in s3 don’t think it’s changed since then

[upbeat plume]

the dots do not stack or "ignite" from odyns you are correct in that it just pandemics for like 1.5 seconds so you do want to split them up but trying to fit every single tick within TR isnt super necessary I tend to hit avatar then TR immediately after assuming enrage and then odyns after another gcd or two usually works pretty well

[brittle dock]

I was under the impression that avatar automatically enrages so if you hit avatar>TR it will be fine.

[sinful spoke]

Has any one elses character randomly done the mini bladestorm from slayer during prepatch without having bladestorm talented?

[upbeat plume]

Avatar does not, Odyns does when Talented into Titans Fury (usuall for Aoe)

[sinful spoke]

I swear to god mine has and im not going crazy

[brittle dock]

Ahh, and as I only really play M+ right now I just assumed. My bad.

[upbeat plume]

no worries its an easy assumption to make lol honestly since we are cracked right now anyway, I just always talent titans torment, its a slight ST loss but it lets me macro a bunch of shit together and the QoL is unreal lol

[brittle dock]

I will admit that I'm lazy and have reck/avatar/ and TR on one press at the moment.

[fickle bluff]

[frigid cipher]

they hyped you up with big sword, but fun is not allowed

[silk wharf]

I'd like my tender back. its only a small amount but I bought the sword because of is comically large size.

its quite ugly otherwise.

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/choso-the-voices-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-breakdown-gif-1221393414151192250

[slim coral]

guys

its quiet in the beta channel

[brittle dock]

too quiet?

[slim coral]

warrior's dead confirmed

[eager relic]

What does pandemic mean in this context

[brittle dock]

Basically you can refresh DoTs/HoTs/buffs etc before they expire and the remaining duration/ticks will add onto the next one. It's about 30% iirc? So for most things, 3sec before it ends you can refresh it with no problems. Some can be more, some might be less.

[gilded pawn]

its 30%

[upbeat plume]

yeah 30%

[gilded pawn]

apparently ff14 doesnt have this

[upbeat plume]

it used to be 50% for warlocks not sure when they cut it down probably when they applied it to the rest of the game

[gilded pawn]

so you just gotta be insane at dotting

[upbeat plume]

nah

there dots last for like 45secs

[gilded pawn]

ye but you still gonna have dot downtime

even if just a lil bit

[upbeat plume]

not especially FF14 rotations are very tightly scripted when done correctly

[brittle dock]

It's really only a thing for major dot classes except feral. Just don't Odyn's Fury right after Avatar and the opposite.

[upbeat plume]

and the dots only tick like every 5 seconds or some shit

[gilded pawn]

yeah ff14 is very rotation helper approved game

[upbeat plume]

its the reason when I do play it for my friends I tank, cause there is next to any reactive or priority rotation gameply like wow for dps

makes me want to rip my fucking eyes out

[gilded pawn]

just have a long cast sequence

and really hekili it up

[upbeat plume]

its not about difficulty

its not fun

lol

[gilded pawn]

ye

i cant imagine its fun

when everything is the same every time

[eager relic]

I usually try to use some of the WW stacks before I OF after Avatar. Maybe I should Bladestorm instead

Since that will use some stacks as well

[gilded pawn]

bladestorm is good

[upbeat plume]

honestly Im just running with straight TItans fury at all times, ww stacks and enrage from odyns feels incrediable, and its really a tiny ST loss

[gilded pawn]

yeah dancing blade is pretty unplayable now

[unreal onyx]

Real and true

[upbeat plume]

its not unplayable, just way less convienent and fortunantly in the meme season we are cracked now

so a couple of percent here or there isnt going to harm anything

[gilded pawn]

the st gain is way too minor

[unreal onyx]

I used db in s3 for m+

[gilded pawn]

well yeah

db in s3 is different than db now

[unreal onyx]

Oh

[upbeat plume]

it would normally be more important for ST but bosses and our numbers are so inflated it dosent mattter

[gilded pawn]

because of the 100% OF buff TR is just much better

[eager relic]

I think I have the rotation down pretty solid but I dont see how you guys are getting such high dps.

Its like double mine

[unreal onyx]

Man I don’t know what all changed with prepatch, I just copy-paste builds

[gilded pawn]

while DB just didnt change

[upbeat plume]

spear is better overall for ST

by a small margin

but again not big enough to bother with having to worry about fitting everything into that tiny window

[unreal onyx]

Then your gear is bad or you don’t have the rotation as down as you think

I guess

[brittle dock]

are you using on-use trinkets? We have so much dps in our burst that something like puzzlebox can make a huge difference.

[eager relic]

Im 522. I use aug and signet

[upbeat plume]

Ive been having fun experimenting with my opener and ravager on mythic fyrrack

[eager relic]

I should try puzzle

[unreal onyx]

What dps is usually your output in an m+?

Very overgeneralising question

[eager relic]

Idk like 500k more if aoe heavy I guess

[unreal onyx]

2p2p?

[eager relic]

No

4p s4

[brittle dock]

RA or AM?

[eager relic]

Ra

[unreal onyx]

Do you have 489 S3 pieces?

[eager relic]

No

But thatd only account for like 2% dps

Im way behind

[unreal onyx]

Then I have no clue what a good avg dps would be with 4p s4

But with ra 2p2p im usually at around 900k

[eager relic]

Yeah thats insane lmao

[final eagle]

same here

[eager relic]

Maybe im ass

[unreal onyx]

524 equipped I think

[upbeat plume]

4pc s4 loses the most on Aoe

[dusk marsh]

AA doesn't count though 😛

[unreal onyx]

I was close to 1mil in a 15 fort bh before last boss

[final eagle]

i mean the normal its being like 750k overall in most of the dungs

and 500k on ST

[dusk marsh]

yh 500k minimum on ST

and anything higher than 650-700 overall is decent numbers

also, as long as key is timed, it was enough dps

[eager relic]

I gotta watch noxivs runs and see what Im doing so wrong lmao

[final eagle]

dont get frustrated

[eager relic]

Rotation wise anyway

[final eagle]

try to learn a bit better, remember that hero talents are gonna change rotation

[dusk marsh]

i wouldn't get hung up on prepatch dps tbf

[final eagle]

yah just practice

[eager relic]

Yeah but I want to go into TWW knowing my errors at least

[final eagle]

thats a good thing

[dusk marsh]

you'll have 3 weeks to do that

even in TWW

[unreal onyx]

Prepatch dps is the most impotant measure to a expansion

[dusk marsh]

it really isn't

[unreal onyx]

[dusk marsh]

some specs don't work until TWW is out

[unreal onyx]

Wdym my prepatch logs don’t matter then

[dusk marsh]

i guess not

/s

[unreal onyx]

With the last time I checked I competed against literally 15 other fury warriors in awakened voti

Xd

[dusk marsh]

randomly encountered Qrva in AA, absolutely dumpstered him on damage

wasn't even close

[brittle dock]

Woh, you're still raiding!

[unreal onyx]

Hell yes

Gearing guilds reroll chars

[brittle dock]

how do you find the healers/tanks? those poor casters.

[unreal onyx]

Raiding is my fav content

Even if it’s dead atm

And if guild still raids ofc I join

[eager relic]

Should I just play beta and work on rotation there

[unreal onyx]

Also its kinda funny with prepatch dps

[brittle dock]

that makes sense, pushing buttons is fun. M+ isn't worth anything right now either but I still find it fun.

[unreal onyx]

I need to get more io to stay R1 warrior on my realm

I was that for most of S4 but in prepatch the R2 apparently got a divine calling to try to beat me

And I can’t let that happen

But even for R1 my io is shit so the keys are actually not even hard, especially in prepatch

[dusk marsh]

what's the R1 for your realm at ?

tbf, pre-patch dropped and M+ andys are doing 20s

[unreal onyx]

Im only 3250 and R2 is like 3120

[dusk marsh]

when they couldn't even dream of doing 17s before lol

[brittle dock]

that's me, and yes.

[unreal onyx]

But since I only pug it‘s kind of a pain to get into keys I need

[dusk marsh]

sure sure

i personnaly stop at 2k8 for S4

cba

they broke my spec

and didn't have lego for the ret

so played other stuff

[covert blaze]

this made me quit ff14

[eager relic]

@unreal onyx do you have any vids of your runs?

[upbeat plume]

yeah its a 100% different design space, its a good game for those who like it but dpsing in that game makes me want to kick puppys

[unreal onyx]

Nah, sorry

Just pop basically everything on CD is my best advice

(Ofc unless pack is basically dead)

[unreal onyx]

I always go 3k since that’s the number pug weeklies seem to deem acceptable for 8s with non-meta classes

But rn gaining io as fury is giga free

[dusk marsh]

i mean I played to 3k3 in S3 on off meta, S4 was just so embarassingly boring to me

[eager relic]

Lol guess I'll try that

[ashen nexus]

Is Single Minded Fury a thing, or no go?

[dusk marsh]

don't think it's ever been a thing tbf

[ashen nexus]

Meh... I got OG Quel'Serrar on this toon. Best looking weap in game

[fading tangle]

It's a thing alright. You can take it, but I don't think it's going to be competitive. The vision for Fury is Titan's Grip rather than SMF.

[dusk marsh]

if it's not competitive it's useless in the grand scheme of things

[ashen nexus]

Yeah kinda.. :

[nocturne dragon]

Then buy and use the Radiant Seaborn Blade. Modern version of it.

[vapid spade]

are the timer allready on 60min for the event? did i miss a change or are the timers on WoWhead wrong?

[dusk marsh]

i head they looped no ?

[hardy cargo]

It’s significantly worse, but if you aren’t doing bleeding edge content you can surely play it if you want

[dusk marsh]

how much worse i guess is the question

[hardy cargo]

I don’t know it off the top of my head, but can sim it

In prepatch it’s very large legendary+ashkandur

[dense elbow]

5-15% worse is usually the place it ends up around. Swing being the power of 1h effects.
Legendary 2h axe was worse than 1h fyrakk on fights like Gale in Doti

So we won't know before things are out and fights understood

[obtuse palm]

Also extra stam on two handers

[willow cradle]

Don't worry the legendary strength dagger pair coming in 11.1 will make SMF Fury the best spec in the game

[visual breach]

still pinned, so assume wrath and fury still bugged?

[amber arch]

does 2pc / 2pc actually do more damage?

[dire vigil]

Yes

[stable jetty]

Just starting to gear my warrior up for TWW release and I'm wondering if I can only get 2 bullion trinkets, which 2 should I get for mainly M+ and to split between fury/arms. Something like Neltharion's Call to Chaos and Anvil? or maybe Augury?

[covert blaze]

augury + oce imo

[amber arch]

get whispering incarnate instead

everyone say run OCE but if youre running more M+ than raid, whispering incarnate is better value

I'd say Incarnate + Augury

[stable jetty]

Definitely more m+ than raid, but cool I'll grab those then

thanks guys

[covert blaze]

even with no allies i would argue all stats oce is better

[amber arch]

its less stats

[covert blaze]

i know

but icon is crit heavy

[amber arch]

idk not worth arguing about, best is to sim it i guess

[covert blaze]

sims are cooked

[stable jetty]

sims are fried right now tho

[amber arch]

how much crit you have

if youre low, icon, if not OCE

[fluid cedar]

Is there a bullion backtrack catchup ?

[amber arch]

ya kill raid bosses and they will drop like crazy

youll get like 2 per boss

[fluid cedar]

Couldn’t you hypothetically get both OCE and icon

[covert blaze]

yeah

he asked for 2 specifically

[fluid cedar]

Got you

[stable jetty]

I want just good enough pretty much, and then use the bullion to fill low geared slots so I don't have to sweat too hard

[fluid cedar]

Makes sense there’s plenty of other use for bullion

[amber arch]

ya you need 2 rings, 2 trinkets, two weapons

damn I cant item restore my 2pc i vendored them too long ago

[runic wren]

Hi thinking about going back to fury warr how is it looks right know? any tips or which videos to watch?

[dense elbow]

Just read the wowhead guide for a refresher, and you good to go

[runic wren]

thanks 🙂 and how fury looking into TWW?

cause i saw that dk are busted so everyone going to play this so thats why im thinking about warr 😄

[dense elbow]

Warr is playing fine, and the bursty profile is kinda fun. It been nerfed, but if it doesnt get another smack it should remain fun-ish

[stable jetty]

Dang is frost dk back on the map?

[runic wren]

looks like that yea 😄

[amber arch]

its cracked right now

feels so much better than S4. So happy to have bladestorm and odyns fury back

also every key looks like this

thats a 14

RLP haha

[runic wren]

i was playing fury like in S1 and thinking of going back 😄 just dont know how is gameplay and looks into TWW 😄 but dmg looks good on your shot 😄

[covert blaze]

watch critcake

[amber arch]

rotation guide on wowhead pre-patch page

but basically your opened is Reck - charge - Ava - Roar - Bladestorm - Rampage OF - standard rotation

[runic wren]

cause also i remeber being in S1 fury and not able to join keys :DDD

[amber arch]

this seems to be what most people are running in M+ i think

[hardy cargo]

U want roar before avatar

[latent hedge]

wrath and fury is bugged, switch that talent off the spec tree

[hardy cargo]

Take one point out from armored to the teeth, put in uproar. Also the message above this one, goes into vicious contempt

[amber arch]

why?

[hardy cargo]

Read the capstone talent to the bottom right of roar

They changed it from how it was in DF

[amber arch]

oh so yo u get an extra tick of OF dot at 30% buff?

[hardy cargo]

Used to be perma 30% bleed dam, now it’s only extra dam while TR is on the target(s)

[fickle bluff]

ideally you press them at the same time

with avatar before

[amber arch]

hows that

i dont actually have a trinket to use with it that just stays there in case

[dense elbow]

All fun and games, till OCE is in your 13 spot

[modest condor]

you avatar before roar

[amber arch]

it is, whats wrong with that

[amber arch]

im getting conflicted things here

[hardy cargo]

The 20% extra dam on TR initial hit is > first tick of odyns doing 30% more?

[dense elbow]

you start of its press, but it doesnt work, as you need to be close to a stone - so it just goes bugiebug

[amber arch]

im not wearing 2pc 2pc

[modest condor]

OF dot doesnt tick instant on cast, there's a long enough time before that happens that you can easily roar after avatar and get both

[amber arch]

ok sweet

[hardy cargo]

Ok that I didn’t know

So my b wrong info

[amber arch]

and its not like you cant press both together anyway

is that macro fine to use then?

[hardy cargo]

I figured it was insta tick

I personally stay away from macros but if you like to use them go for it

[covert blaze]

yes

[amber arch]

it doesnt work for some reason

actually probably not gonna use that because im hardwired to press reck before charging in on while charging in

[covert blaze]

cause you said you have oce

and you are trying to use oce probably

dont macro your trinket there or macro it at the end

there are no on use trinkets that you would want to macro this patch anyway

you need to have a separate reck bind for your opener though

[modest condor]

also you misspelled thunderous

[amber arch]

thanks lol

[covert blaze]

💀

[amber arch]

ill probably leave reck seperatly and use the macro opener on avatar

do I rampage after roar? or go right into bladestorm?

[modest condor]

i personally do a rampage first so unhinged spends at least 1 proc on bloodbath

[amber arch]

smart

I hate starting a BS at max rage too

[modest condor]

oh that's kinda irrelevant

[covert blaze]

rage is fake when playing RA

[modest condor]

especially if you're playing s3 2p you want that buffed bb

[amber arch]

well its 1 less rampage no?

im not

i tried to item restore but it was too long ago

[modest condor]

that's odd, i still had several months left

[ember apex]

i wish they could solve the APM problem that RA has, it's really unfun playing it imo

[modest condor]

what apm problem does RA have?

[fickle bluff]

you mean just switching from powerful enrage?

[amber arch]

i like this pace of fury

[ember apex]

it feels slower than anger management, less frantic

[amber arch]

s4 felt horrible

[fickle bluff]

all in your head

[ember apex]

s4 was fantastic, imo

[modest condor]

they inherently have the same apm

[amber arch]

agree to disagree I guess. I hated not having CDs, I missed BS and OF

[modest condor]

AM likes haste more than RA, but i doubt you just happened to have a spare set of low haste gear to swap to for prepatch

[covert blaze]

I personally do reck + charge -> ramp -> ava+roar -> CB -> BS ->OF

[nocturne dragon]

maybe just me but I don't think it is any slower.

[ember apex]

in terms of gameplay, it feels like fury was nerfed (in terms of rage generation when playing AM)

[amber arch]

AM felt like I never even had time to use leggo i was always rushing

[ember apex]

b/c of the nerf(s) to onslaught, rampage proccing recklessness, etc....

[amber arch]

i love OF and BS, hated onslaught

[ember apex]

that's what i love about AM, always busy

[modest condor]

RA is also always busy

[amber arch]

I like my CDs to hit hard

[ember apex]

i would prob like OF more if it had a diff sound effect, it sounds wayyyy too airy

RA is busy, AM is frantic, i prefer frantic

[amber arch]

RA is just the right mix of hecktic with hard hitting stuff too

and I prefer having CDs to manage for certain packs, add phases and other ways to game damage. S4 felt like i was hitting training dummies for the entire run

[covert blaze]

@ember apex are you sure it's not powerful enrage vs frenzied enrage instead of RA vs AM

[ember apex]

like every single global ur working to push ur CDR as hard as u can, doing that in like phase transitions for mythic sark was super fun

[ember apex]

no im not sure actually, u could be right

[covert blaze]

[ember apex]

it feels like AM causes more frantic gameplay over RA but what do i know

[amber arch]

and like wohoo real fun that my bloodthirst that ive been working to empower for 10s hits for 400k. not like s3 bloodbaths used to hit for like 700k 3 times every time you OF

i found the tierset in s4 to be entirely unfun

compared with our prio damage and CDs of S3

[hardy cargo]

S4 with close to full bis actually had a pretty high amount of bts going out

[nocturne dragon]

Carlo, I think you just want your reck to come up faster, it has nothing to do with busy vs frantic.

[ember apex]

S4 tierset = S2 tierset.

s1 was boring AF
s3 didn't cleave properly

so i think S2 just won by default but i didnt like it either

[hardy cargo]

Iirc I’d generally have 1/2 bt casts compared to RB

[ember apex]

thats why we're running S2 tier, not b/c it was good, but b/c everything else was bad

[ember apex]

yeah i want 100% reck uptime, i love it

[amber arch]

i used to like AM in SL

i dont mind the playstyle at all, its a fun loop

but dont take away all my other CDs lol

[ember apex]

if blizz would have said guys we're gonna fix S3 tier so it cleves properly with whirlwind, i would have voted for it

[nocturne dragon]

there is no 100% reck uptime anymore though, they nerf UF to ground sooo... at best right now you get is faster reck with AM, 6% chance from rampage is not going to help.

[amber arch]

I dont need to have s3 cleave

[covert blaze]

fuck AM

[amber arch]

prio damage is cool

theres always 1 big fker in every pack that needs to die right away

[hardy cargo]

No fuck YOU

[amber arch]

and hitting him with 3x 700k bloodbaths was super fun

[ember apex]

i dont NEED anything, it's a video game, but if u want me to pick between 3 tiers and one of them literally does not cleave properly (the main and only effect of the set bonus) there's no way im going to vote for it

and season 1 was boring and garbage so that was a non-starter

so s2 won by default

[covert blaze]

https://tenor.com/view/garrosh-garrosh-hellscream-world-of-warcraft-gif-23116278

[amber arch]

were not having an argument here im not saying you shouldnt enjoy that, im just saying what I enjoy

i only played s3 and s4

[hardy cargo]

Well technically if the bonus dam/crit did cleave onto more than one target is when it would be improperly cleaving

[ember apex]

well what im saying is that if it cleaved i would have voted w/ u for it. i dont have anythign against it other than it doesnt work in cleave

[amber arch]

the other effect of that s3 tier was damage boost and CDR on OF

which was super fun to line up with adds or even just blast BBs into a single target

[ember apex]

i dont like OF b/c i dont like the sound effect, if i could hotSwap my own sound effect for OF i would like it more

[amber arch]

made it to that an AOE cooldown was fun in both AOE and didnt feel useless in ST

like i feel stupid using BS on a single raid boss

but having s3 OF come up on a raid boss i was like fk ya get ready to eat these BBs

[ember apex]

ur prob gonna feel less stupid now knowing that its gonna throw 1 bb 3 bt on ur target when u press it now

i agree

that did feel good

[amber arch]

ya now its better

[ember apex]

but it didnt cleave properly

which sucks

[amber arch]

ya ya we know

[ember apex]

and they didnt say they were gonna issue a fix

[amber arch]

s4 doesnt cleave properly either does it?

[ember apex]

if they did i would have voted s3 100%

yes it does

[amber arch]

ah ok

i do like when using BS throws out an empowered s4 BB