fury

[fleet cargo]

now i lack wa for fyr'alath

do someone have useful wa for it

[past pivot]

Check Wago

[fleet cargo]

yeah i found one

most of them were looking ugly to me

[unreal onyx]

https://wago.io/YowgdurxV

the most important one

[pseudo marlin]

not as important as choosing the correct faction side.

[unreal onyx]

格鲁格发现火 grug discover fire 啟動橙色棒 activate orange stick 快速狂怒 fast fury 保护贵宾 protect the VIP 移动=死亡 move=death

[fleet cargo]

yeah most annoying one u wanted to say ?? haha 😄

[unreal onyx]

only the essentials

[pseudo marlin]

pre-patch UI is banging

[open wigeon]

blizzard is not considering pre-patch as a balance meter right? because in prepatch we have leggo

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/renge-gif-22199229

[median quarry]

yo why isnt my realm showing up on item restore

[fathom cipher]

Is this good with 4p s4?

[sullen dove]

I mean for st u can spear

[livid carbon]

this looks like single target, so spear is the way to go

[sullen dove]

def better

[livid carbon]

also i think it was mention that onslaught is better for single target, so you can go that route if you want

[kind bolt]

so current best builds needs the 2 older unobtainable pieces?

[sullen dove]

u can get lower ilvl versions of it but atp it’s less of a gap

Like 470 wq gear or something

The 2% increase is assuming both slots are 489 so if u don’t have that it’s way smaller of a gap

[plush ice]

@edgy widget

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wWWTn7kCy9d1vDtreFMiU1

so, i dont have time to fish for pulls, that was about 10K lower then the mean i was seeing, but still overperforiming by about 10k

[unreal onyx]

aintnoway you tag archi for your sims

[plush ice]

nah, he just wanted me to take some ss's once i got home

[clever path]

[plush ice]

i'll be back at my computer again in a bit and then i can see what else i can get it to, high has still been 520, my more average was at 510, but yeah, something is def up

[small hemlock]

How are people getting the old tier pieces without restoration

[plush ice]

maybe its as simple as the vald dummy is being weird

[kind bolt]

alright ty

[charred panther]

Shft+7. Banana hands over here

[kind bolt]

they also ruined remix basic attack rampage spam build

[sour tundra]

keys are still super dead

[edgy widget]

should log it if you can, be easier to find differences

I actually think I might know what the difference is

[meager void]

i bet the sim is with low bsl uptime

[plush ice]

i msged you

once i get the kids shipped off to vbs here in a sec i'll have a few hours to mess around w/o getting interrupted hehe

[edgy widget]

that's part of it, yeah - only 40% in the sim and it's almost certainly 100% in-game

though somewhat offset by the fact that he's not getting hero/full buffs/etc

[humble plover]

My bank

[plush ice]

ah yep, i can resim w/ full bsl, yep thats def a thing

[edgy widget]

another part of it is that he said he wasn't executing, and that's something that was already a suspicion of mine because Execute is down really bad for Fury right now - the build was still taking the talents because there's not really much else left in the tree to take, but there's only like a 1.5% dps difference between executing or not

[plush ice]

ah, but isn't not exectuing presumbly a dps loss?

if so we'd just never execute i would assume?

cause yeah thats something else in the sim, no execute, no BL, no pot, no monk buff, no shaman buff

[edgy widget]

well the more likely case is just taking more emphasis off Execute, using it as a more intermittent filler, than just not using it entirely

but I'm saying that it's a factor, along with all the other differences here

[meager void]

oh this is great, I had thought execute held similar prio as before

[plush ice]

soooo

[edgy widget]

@fickle bluff had recently come to the same conclusion while working on Mountain Thane, that the Execute talents really aren't worth it; even to the point of dropping 2 points in Imp WW & Meat Cleaver for ST Thunder Clap damage

[plush ice]

i simmed w/ full bsl, and its still overperofrming

its right at 511

which is the number i WAS getting

but thats still w/ al the buffs i dont have, pot etc

but at least thats more in the ballpark

[edgy widget]

well there are more things going on than just that; I'm just pointing out factors

[fickle bluff]

[edgy widget]

I really don't think it has anything to do with prioritizing CB vs BB though; in most cases you're gonna just use both, especially if you don't have Execute filling the rotation in between

[slim pollen]

Hmm, I wouldn't be mad if we ended up putting the points towards clap damage instead of execute as thane tbh. A lot of the time execute just feels like sub 20-35% bar clutter that don't feel too great imo 😅

[edgy widget]

idk if I agree with that; Fury Execute is generally weak right now (also RA is really strong right now), but it does help fill out the rotation

[plush ice]

yeah, it would def take the place of slams / regular raging blows

[edgy widget]

biggest thing is that CB's value is jacked - between Bloodcraze, Slaughtering Strikes and it's own damage, that's a lot to compete with

it doesn't even look that strong in terms of direct damage, but when you add in the buffs, it really jumps ahead

[fair cave]

so no point taking WnF atm?

[edgy widget]

IMO Execute should just trigger Bloodcraze or something

[edgy widget]

not atm, no

The increased reset part does work, but you don't need it with H&S

[fair cave]

Would be nice if there was a connecting between Improved RB and WnF. Im sure pos Hero talents will be irrelevant but still

[sullen dove]

semi reasonable feedback with vicious contempt for exe to buff bt even more in exe would be kinda cool

[peak aurora]

I do miss big executes

[sullen dove]

prolly have to be more than 15% per hit tho maybe or it’s just not as valuable of a talent as it is for it to be done off rb

[gilded pawn]

its just less opportunity cost on the button

[dark frost]

Do you thunk its worth dropping ashen juggernaut since we dont need it for wrath and fury now?

[edgy widget]

well no, cause W&F is bugged

[dark frost]

Right but thats what i mean

Because ex is not as strong as RA bt and rb. Drop ashen and get something else like bloodborne or something

With VC, BB is bigger than ex any way

[edgy widget]

you were already taking all of those

best thing at this moment is probably dropping them for Ons/Tenderize

[dark frost]

Got it

[edgy widget]

that's assuming it is worth dropping them, I'll investigate further when I finish my current project

[dark frost]

Thanks archi

[edgy widget]

actually no, you do need 1 talent there to path into OF

so Massacre has to stay

[sullen dove]

as nice as it is to have shockwave be completely free it does feel a little weird to have to take it every single raid boss just to get to the strength/armor buffs and spear

[edgy widget]

Yeah it's stupid

but I fought that fight and lost so

[spiral oasis]

why is fury busted rn

[edgy widget]

tbh it doesn't hurt us, since the ST build already gets every single talent it could want anyway

it's just kinda dumb

[sullen dove]

yea I think I only noticed when I wanted to pick up wrecking throw for tindral

[young swan]

preptach

[sullen dove]

Don’t remember what I dropped but it was probably like .2% more useful than shockwave

[spiral oasis]

what did they do to make it so crasy

[young swan]

buff everything

[sullen dove]

buff stuff

1.4mil dps on second root set of tindral felt so nice

too bad I won’t kill that boss

[young swan]

50% aura buff + individual ability buffs + 50% OF buff from s3 tier

[spiral oasis]

50% AURA BUFF?

[dark frost]

Right, im only speaking to ashen jugg

[young swan]

i actually dont know what fury's aura was prior to prepatch

but fury is at a 50% aura now, yeah

it was probably like 25-30 before

[gilded pawn]

it was something shit

like 19

thats why we didnt scale

[young swan]

orly

[gilded pawn]

25 at most

yeah we had a lot of specific buffs

not auras

[edgy widget]

it was 8%

[warm crag]

scaling ??

[young swan]

yeah that 50% from beta was pretty fuck good then

[spiral oasis]

8% to 50%

[edgy widget]

plus they buffed a lot of spells

[spiral oasis]

that's so silly

[edgy widget]

and we gained strength via the general armor increase

Fury legitimately gained ~100k, or about 25% of its ST DPS, overnight

[gilded pawn]

how much of that was from armor alone lol

[edgy widget]

idk, I didn't look

[dark frost]

My fury sim went from 385k to 520k st

With basically all bis gear

[flat river]

is wrath and fury fixed?

[dark frost]

No

[flat river]

kk

but

archi changed the talents yesterday

and rechanged them

[strange drift]

okay i know this is the wrong channel but how does one get flightstones in the prepatch ?

[rotund ginkgo]

first time playing after a month + new talent tree

hm

brh16

gotta get used to it

[sour frigate]

weakge

[forest owl]

brown above pink all that matters really

[worn mauve]

Pink has been pissing me off this season :shakes fist:

[next canopy]

Is BT or RB more prio once building for spender

I feel like it’s BT but second guessing myself

[edgy widget]

pink didn't get it's new talent tree though

[feral ivy]

whoo we got a free day

[willow cradle]

Damn

The people who beg every time there's downtime won

I can't see that causing even more complaining in the future

[meager void]

the servers did come back at midnight

and yesterday was lagfest

[willow cradle]

Oh for sure

Don't get me wrong, the maintenance shouldn't be that long

[meager void]

The way this reads in corp lingo, I bet they are truly worried about stability for aug22

early access refunds inc

[willow cradle]

But it'll vindicate the loud minority that complains every time there is downtime

and that's just annoying

[sullen dove]

rly wonder how they gonna pull early access off

Like just prevent summons from being possible for first 3 days?

and how they accurate gonna tag ppl who bought it vs those who didn’t if they don’t disable that

[warm crag]

wouldnt it just be the same as how currently accts that dont own df interact with df

[sullen dove]

maybe tho idk how that even works

I can’t imagine playing wow without the most recent xpac

Like what’s the gameplay loop

Ff at least makes sense 90% of the game is the story u go thru in stages

[warm crag]

i mean a flag that enables when early access is over for you to own the expac doesnt seem too hard to handle

[sullen dove]

yea I mean in theory shouldn’t be but first time they’ve tried early access shenanigans

somethin prolly bound to be quirky but only time will tell

[warm crag]

not like there's high stakes either

[gilded pawn]

Well it should be the same logic as summoning non df players to valdrakkenw

Shouldn’t be an issue

[covert blaze]

If they xp lock you or something, if you don't have it then it doesn't really matter ig

[rigid stirrup]

I mean if it goes to shit and the flood gates open, it wouldn't really matter since real content won't be out for half a month after

[fathom cipher]

Anyone have errors from BTWQuests? Are addons just gonna be iffy for a while?

[upbeat plume]

huuh interesting, so using this
CgEAmidFBOBFf5oKuZ7r/WeW78AAAAAAAAAAAagZAjhZYMmZmNYYGjhZYGLbjxMzswMzDMzMzMDbWmhxYAAAgwAAAAAAbDA talent setup

with 1pt out of VC into bloodborne and full investment into TR is only .1% behind the spear build for me in sims

[arctic portal]

prepatch is as dead as it gets, nearly no m+ grps, no one signing up if you open your own beside 400 ilevel 5 io score dudes, its crazy

[crisp prism]

event coming next week

majority of my guild waiting prepatch event to resub

[arctic portal]

for? leveling alts? i got a huge amount of chars to 70 in remix, it was so crazy fast^^

[fathom cipher]

Could always work on Loremaster.

[crisp prism]

for some kinda new content tbh

there isnt really anything different to do in retail atm to resub

[slim pollen]

Alts, transmogs, mounts, heirloom, pets... all the usual pre-patch event stuff

[crisp prism]

same dungeons raids

[upbeat sentinel]

M+ has been dead for the entirity of S4

[arctic portal]

yeah kinda

[upbeat sentinel]

Go figure in a season where you get bullions to get your BiS shit for free nobody cares about maxing out their vault

[crisp prism]

tbh i think the reason was the dungeon pool

that was my reason at least

[arctic portal]

no one likes any of the DF dungeons, maybe AA, rest is dogshit 😄

[crisp prism]

i like the mega dungeon and it isnt in the list 😄

[fathom cipher]

Fucking hate AA.

[arctic portal]

i didnt test any TWW dungeons but i heard the are overloaded af with abilities

[crisp prism]

outside of difficulty i like design of some of them

they are brutal tho

[fathom cipher]

I found them to be okay. A lot of stuff I found okay, plenty I didn't like, but there wasn't any particular dungeon I hated or loved in DF - except for AA, fuck AA.

[crisp prism]

i hate nokhud with passion 😄

[fathom cipher]

YES. I take it back - fuck Nokhud.

[feral ivy]

is yalls nok the 1st area 1 shotting ur range?

[storm meadow]

I like RLP. It's short

[warm rain]

is there a rage generation issue right now with fury? feels weird

[storm meadow]

In M+ a little bit yes, and it's more like if you try to hold BT to reach 100% crit

it happens less if you just don't care and hit the spell as it's ready (and no big CD is up)

[warm rain]

yeah trying to hold BT for the crit but feels wrong haha

[storm meadow]

But it was mentionned in some patches that Warriors had way too many rage generation

[warm rain]

so i wasn't sure what the ideal thing was

[storm meadow]

Now that Raging blow contributes to the crit too if you talented Blood Craze it's often reaching a good crit % very quickly

and you don't get that many stacks from the 4P

I'm too afraid to try using my SMF build yet however.

I feel that i'll be completely underpowered without Fyralath xD

[warm rain]

i actually haven't thought to sim smf yet i should see what it looks like

but thanks for the input i'll look at the spec

[storm meadow]

Without Annihilator I feel lost xD

My love is gone

Best series was 4 or 5 Rampages IN A ROW. Good times 😭

[warm rain]

i liked the feel of s3 odyns, s4 is just so mashy lol

[storm meadow]

Mmmh. It's more chaotic yes. Did you try the RA builds in raid?

It feels a bit less random IMHO

[warm rain]

yeah was using the RA st and aoe build in raid yesterday

that's where i noticed the rage issue

[storm meadow]

IIRC I didn't have any rage issues with RA

But it feels a bit too braindead to me

[warm rain]

i was holding bt for the 100% crit bonus that's probably why

[storm meadow]

like Rampage > Crushing Blow > Bloodbath etc...

[warm rain]

hence where my confusion stems from haha

[storm meadow]

With my SMF build I prefered casting BB because it was "just like a Rampage" and I didn't care holding for the 100% because I was loosing the opportunity to cast more of them ^^

[warm rain]

yeah that makes sense

[storm meadow]

Before prepatch it was what carried my SMF to ~270k on mono bosses (without too many buffs from the raid)

[warm rain]

losing out on globals feels soooo wrong

[storm meadow]

Today I didn't even try making a build ^^

[warm rain]

i'm going to probably not care, like you mentioned the bloodcraze/raging blow thing helps alot

[fickle bluff]

there isnt and never was a smf build

you just take a point out and put it in smf

[storm meadow]

There is. It's not meta and I know you all hate it here

[fickle bluff]

no

its not a build

its one swapped talent point

[brittle phoenix]

You don't get it Greg it's secret meta

[fickle bluff]

alr my bad

[storm meadow]

Meta slave

[fickle bluff]

@tidal kindle cook a new build kthx

[rotund ginkgo]

guys

is rampage>bt>rampage the play or would i do rampage>bt>cb>rampage?

[storm meadow]

Before prepatch I was hitting hard with a completely different build

[rotund ginkgo]

like, in a reck window where bt generates enough

[tidal kindle]

Huh

[rotund ginkgo]

:((

[storm meadow]

IMHO you R > CB > BB

[rotund ginkgo]

any APL?

[fickle bluff]

hey @Garms s ms I would just like to formally thank you for providing me with the most optimal build for Mythic Progression in this Raid, and I thought it would be a good time to share with the class
https://www.wowhead.com/talent-calc/warrior/fury/DARFFUVRVlRBEVAkBABQCVENVVVVFYBFURiQQA
Looking forward to building with you again next tier @Garms

[storm meadow]

check wowhead/icyveins

[brittle phoenix]

BB (with Furious Bloodthirst buff) > CB > Rampage

[storm meadow]

You know what? I'll connect my SMF Fury

[rotund ginkgo]

lets assume i just did my opener

i just did OF

i got 3 stacks of buff

and i generate hella rage, im furious, angry as fuck

do i
rampage > bb > rampage > bb > rampage > bb

or do i

rampage > bb > cb > rampage > bb > cb > etc..

[brittle phoenix]

2nd one

Untill you consume the BT buff

[rotund ginkgo]

in which case cb > bb

correct?

or

[brittle phoenix]

Then it's CB > Rampage > BB

[rotund ginkgo]

?

CB takes prio over rampage?

[brittle phoenix]

Yes

[rotund ginkgo]

ait

so with buff its BB > ramp > CB and without its CB > ramp > BB

either way, since no AM, ramp isnt prio'd

right?

[brittle phoenix]

You can see it here

[rotund ginkgo]

ty garradanush :3

[brittle phoenix]

Basically with buff both BB and CB are prio'd over rampage

Without buff only CB is prio'd over it

[brittle phoenix]

Np

[rotund ginkgo]

yh so as long as i got RA buff i use them

great

[fickle bluff]

yeah do your best to use ra before rampaging again

[rotund ginkgo]

i know we dont NEED a wa

but is there a WA to track the 2p buff?

[fickle bluff]

i dont think anyone ever bothered

not hard to just make though

[brittle phoenix]

https://wago.io/JDQ44BAAW just uploaded mine if u want it

[storm meadow]

Alright. SMF still hits like a truck. Good enough for me at least

[rotund ginkgo]

im tryna apply the aura that tracks, to my existing BT weakaura

[covert blaze]

I'll give you mine when I get home

[fickle bluff]

if youre using the s2 one you could just change the aura from that sets stacks to the s3 one

[rotund ginkgo]

@fickle bluff that shi has like 4 auras

[fickle bluff]

isnt there one that shows you how many set bonus stacks you have

[rotund ginkgo]

yes

one of the auras there

do i just delete bloodcraze and the other ones?

[fickle bluff]

that sounds more like calculating crit%

[rotund ginkgo]

the first 2 track bb and bt

[fickle bluff]

go back a step

isnt there a bunch of things in a group

[rotund ginkgo]

no

archi's WA is a single wa

[fickle bluff]

okay yeah there was one at some point that had the option to show you how many set stacks you had

[rotund ginkgo]

think that was the s2 one

regardless we dont rly care abt bloodcraze or merciless assault anyway

so i can delete those two

cuz we dont care abt crit%

[small hemlock]

So I want the 2 piece of the current tier set and season 3?

[rotund ginkgo]

s3+s4 yeah

[small hemlock]

And the drop in ilvl is made up by the bonus?

[fickle bluff]

change trigger 6 from gushing wound on target to furious bloodthirst on you

[glad coyote]

question, with the WA that we have for BT crit chance wouldn't bloodcraze increase that as well? or is it cause the WA is only looking for stacks from rampage?

[fickle bluff]

then change %6.p to %6.s in text 1

[inland spire]

question from glancing at what few logs there are from this week some players are using more fillers on ST with this design (some slamming, some WW), if fury has less rage now, couldn't rampage and raging blow charges be played around more traditionally? (in terms of cooldown/charge/resources in Wow as a whole) such as not casting rampage as soon as it's available as listed on guides atm, using RB/BT even over 80 rage so long as no risk of rage capping, enrage falling off, etc

[proper peak]

which build would you guys suggest for mythic rasz progression

was running a cleave guild last week, not sure if its worth sticking to that orjust going for pure st

[fickle bluff]

youd do cleave

[rotund ginkgo]

fixed it @fickle bluff

i deleted bloodcraze+merciless assault+reck from the WA auras

added the aura for the buff 423211

changed the display text to be %3.totalStacks instead of %c%

and it worked

[glad coyote]

can u send me the wa string?

[rotund ginkgo]

had to fix %6.p to %4.p cuz now the tracker for gushing wound didnt work

[fickle bluff]

i mean sure

i think mine was more elegant thoug

[glad coyote]

ty

[rotund ginkgo]

changed the color of the glow

not rly a big deal

just cuz i forgot in archi's original color scheme they lined up

@glad coyote

[glad coyote]

ty sir

[rugged pewter]

hello, when I get to the execute phase how do I weave it into my rotation

[edgy widget]

were you tryin to convert the S4 WA to a S3 one? 🤔

[glad coyote]

anybody know how much 2p+2p vs 4pc is?

[edgy widget]

about 2-2.5%
as per the pins

[rotund ginkgo]

kinda

but maintain the gushind wound

my last issue rn is that on stack 3 and on stacks 2 and 1, the sizes differ

[edgy widget]

I feel like tracking T3 buff is as easy as a simple buff check, curious why you'd convert a complicated WA for that

[rotund ginkgo]

well 1. i'd like to be able to be a bit more independant with WAs so it doesnt hurt learning

[edgy widget]

are you tryin to only use BT when you need to refresh CSHB?

[rotund ginkgo]

2. i like the weakaura being condensed into 1

no no

just wanted to track it alongside

[edgy widget]

fair enough, you do you, just curious what the goal was

[rotund ginkgo]

it is

the goal was to just make your WA work for the 2p2p

😛

[edgy widget]

you go girl

[rotund ginkgo]

it works fine, my only issue im facing rn is that on stack no3 it's bigger??

than stacks 2 and 1

am i tripping balls?

i swear ingame it moves

[edgy widget]

uhh idk it looks the same size

[rotund ginkgo]

archi gaslighting me rn

ok no im legit just giga stupid

[edgy widget]

[rotund ginkgo]

i made the font bigger so its clearer

i think 3 is just on a pixel stack or sth

on size 12

so it broke my brain

on size 14 they remain stationary and theres no "movement"

[edgy widget]

weird

[rotund ginkgo]

ok, so the solution is to make it size 64

cant miss it taht way

@edgy widget why is the glow in the WA colored, but in actuality it's gray?

did i fuck up a section of the WA?

[edgy widget]

it only glows >95% crit

[rotund ginkgo]

for gushing wound

[edgy widget]

you have it duration <=3

oh

[rotund ginkgo]

i get a grey glow immediately upon gushing wound

i didnt change that setting

[edgy widget]

idk, and I'm not in game to look atm; just gotta play around with it

[rotund ginkgo]

ait

basically wanted to have the glow function for me to know gushing wound is up and then glow turn grey when its about to go down

ill try to work some grey matter

[red berry]

im so late to the party

are we just stuck with the condemn animation for execute

[fickle bluff]

well actually thats gone now too we're stuck with yellow condemn

[inland spire]

i feel like its worst part is its sound, doesn't sound very impactful at all

like a very light whipping

[rotund ginkgo]

fixed it

:3

im a little WA boi

:3

[balmy shore]

💅

[mossy fox]

ragish is your gear good yet

[rotund ginkgo]

no crittyboi

5 warr when

[mossy fox]

idk im gone for a week soon

[rotund ginkgo]

i was gone for a month

wasnt tagged

forgotten

https://tenor.com/view/dust-dusty-snow-white-gif-5220609

[mossy fox]

i claimed a lot of add dps in raid today

larodar treants didnt stand a chance

[covert blaze]

padgodx

[mossy fox]

tindral here was pure ST

trust

[fathom cipher]

The collector's edition code came in an e-mail, correct?

[fickle bluff]

no

[covert blaze]

holy
I beat tindral is fun again I haven't done amir yet

[fickle bluff]

its in an envelope in the box with the ce and statue

you get an email for the code to the beta

[rigid stirrup]

killtime compared to before prepatch?

[mossy fox]

4:51

wait no

yeah thats right

4:51 today, fastest kill before prepatch was 5:55 for us

[fathom cipher]

Thank you! I thought it would be a physical key. The envelope blended in with all the other black in the pile when I opened everything.

[fickle bluff]

yeah theyre usually in the ce box itself it had me confused for a bit

[fathom cipher]

That's where I looked, several times. Haha

I haven't gotten a CE since Cata.

[past ingot]

That talent import copy is f'd up for fury on wowhead, talents aren't all selected

Aynone else?

[brittle phoenix]

Igira spear damage is pretty funny to look at as well

No one gets to pad if there's a fury warrior in the raid

[marble swift]

check this man for roids

[sudden tusk]

Ratwithahat is a sick name

[rotund ginkgo]

is dragon warrior actually gonna be the play btw

[covert blaze]

[covert blaze]

🔮

[rotund ginkgo]

pondering the orb

rn

1.5% mastery

[covert blaze]

I wonder what they're gonna do with that

Adjust it per spec or remove it or smth

[rigid stirrup]

I read somewhere they're considering having their racials be nodes in the talent tree

[crisp prism]

i'm trying hard to find a reason to remain dark iron dwarf instead of race changing to nelf

help pls

[modest condor]

no they said that one possibility they came up with was to increase the baseline cooldown and add cdr to get it back down to the evoker class tree

[sullen dove]

@buoyant salmon don’t lose so we can make fun of grom

not that u needed to be told that I’m sure it’ll just happen naturally

[sullen dove]

oh nah…

[buoyant salmon]

eta gg

[restive peak]

Pls don’t lose to grom

[pure echo]

Has wrath and fury bug been reported to those that can do something about it?

[buoyant salmon]

bro i forgot to use ravager lol

[brittle crow]

i could change my build to not use wrath & fury

but also. i will just leave it as is

[rotund ginkgo]

dirty key

but still

trying to get the hang of it

[willow cradle]

I've bug reported it on every beta patch since I've known about it, it's also been written down multiple times in the warrior thread in the Beta forums

[rotund ginkgo]

whats the bub

bug

does it just not work?

or the 15% damage doesnt work?

[restive peak]

Sadness, you must delete all the vods and logs

[restive peak]

The damage doesn’t work

[tender burrow]

Frenzied or powerful enrage for m+?

[crisp prism]

#fury message

[tender burrow]

ty

[onyx swallow]

macroing roar to an avatar macro with TR should make the initial hit of roar amplified by enrage/avatar right

[modest condor]

if avatar is in the macro first yes

[glad coyote]

dont you want to roar first to get the dmg buff from OF when ava i casted?

[modest condor]

maybe im too tired but i dont understand your question

[covert blaze]

Thunderous words

[silk wharf]

I think the sim even has roar slightly before using avatar.

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/KbGxJ/0339539bd8.png

[inland spire]

wouldnt you want to enrage+ava buff the dragon roar initial, since thunderous words would still dynamically apply to Odyn's dot

[slim pollen]

words increase bleed, avatar increase all damage. Just by looking at the spells and nothing else, I imagine casting avatar first to buff the initial hit + the ticks of roar, is better than roaring first (and not buffing inital hit of roar) just to get 1 more buffed OF tick.

[small hemlock]

Are there any bugged talents?

[modest condor]

wrath and fury doesnt work

[small hemlock]

Okay thanks for the heads up

[modest condor]

also did neither of you guys look at my screenshot before saying that or do you just not understand what it's showing?

[inland spire]

mines @glad coyote

since thats what your log bits showing

[modest condor]

my log is showing that if you macro roar to avatar both roar's initial hit will be affected by avatar and the full OF dot will be affected by words

well it's not explicitly showing the roar in avatar macro part since crit isnt using a macro

ok here we go http://puu.sh/KbGAY/2328389ba2.png

this also shows that if your haste is high enough you can cast OF before roar and still have the full OF dot inside roar if you're playing uproar

[slim pollen]

Not sure where my reply tag thing went, but yeh i was also responding to the guy above you up there. If I'm one of those "guys". And yes, basically that. Didn't look to closely at your first picture before i hit send (i was typing it as you linked the first one) 😂

[sudden tusk]

@young swan they just nerfed mythic siege in remix by over 50%

all my hard work for nothin

[modest condor]

yeah you're one of the guys since your response assumes it's a choice of either or while my screenshot shows you can have both

[slim pollen]

Well, like I said, i based it purely off of order of spell and what the tooltip says.
Honestly my brain thought there was another global CD attached to one of those spells, but I think that's the sleepy brain. It's 4:40 in the morning 😬

[modest condor]

fellow european

[slim pollen]

But yes, sneaky roar in between avatar and spinny-winny 😂

Soooo... you could just sneak recklessness in there as well then(?)

[modest condor]

yes

[dense elbow]

I mean, why not - OF does ok dam, having it crits makes it do a tad more

[modest condor]

you can make a reck ava roar macro and it works

[slim pollen]

Just wanted to run it by the gang before I just slap it on my bars and forget about it, only to realize when I'm less tired that something ain't mathing

[modest condor]

well you only wanna do it if you're playing titanic rage

otherwise you would want a seperate reck keybind for reck > charge on pull

[slim pollen]

Yes, ofc.
I would also put split things up a bit more with AM

[dense elbow]

Aight, tested retail up and down. Today I learned most pug tanks dont know how to efficiently create TPS. I also learned, PuG fury warriors are easy enough to keep threat from (as long they don't burst pre root)

Life is good there are no real issues

(Nerf warlocks)

[modest condor]

nerf warlocks

[slim pollen]

On that note: Was fun tanking a few normal amirdrasil bosses for a good 5-8 sec on pull earlier today... 😂

(as fury)

[dense elbow]

I won't ask how or why, but you shouldn't taunt boss on pull. That is a tank job

[slim pollen]

"Huh, why is Agira facing the raid.... Ohh, I see... I'm the problem"

[dense elbow]

Man, I am just done with lazy tanks. No battery left. Still, your situation would otherwise prob be funny

I am just tired of pug tanks man

[modest condor]

yeah it's kinda funny like, on one hand fury does generate a stupid amount of threat, but on the other hand pug tanks are also just really bad at building threat

[dense elbow]

The perfect storm

[sullen dove]

basically identical dps sustained as per my very thorough 3 min 5target dummy cleave

maybe slightly more skewed towards fury cuz they were in perma execute range

[rotund ginkgo]

UHHHHHH

ZOINKS?

[sullen dove]

yawn

[rotund ginkgo]

excuse me i wasnt here for a whole month

[sullen dove]

[rotund ginkgo]

doing keys i dont need just to practice

[dense elbow]

You are so out of the loop, that you started looping on your own

[rotund ginkgo]

shake that rust off

[dense elbow]

Enjoying fury tho?

[covert blaze]

*tanks are just really bad
ftfy

[fervent brook]

whats the best alternative weapons if you dont have the leggo?

[summer quail]

ashkandur and some other 2h

i guess the rasz 2h

[fervent brook]

ty

[sullen dove]

is decoration of flame broken again

whyd crit do 27mil dmg to roots with it on tindral

with 2 uses

[modest condor]

no that's how it's always been

[sullen dove]

does it not split

no way 300-400something k whatever it says split between all enemies equates to 27mil dmg

[modest condor]

idk, but i remember earlier in awakened it was my tank's top damage on tindral as well

[sullen dove]

yea says its 236k lol

alr well time to see ig

yea i mean the one use did 900k on 5target training dummies

[covert blaze]

new bullion just dropped?

[modest condor]

that's funny because if it did 900k on 5 targets then it's also not full uncapped

[shell terrace]

@edgy widget

OMFG

IS THIS TRUE ?

[sullen dove]

kekw

[covert blaze]

[rotund ginkgo]

some1 just got salty cuz i died in a 5am key that we +2'd

cuz i wrote while dead

pre-patch btw

rio really matters rn

[sullen dove]

real

[edgy widget]

idk, depends on about what

@slim coral talkin shit?

[sullen dove]

get his ass

[shell terrace]

@slim coral NEED CLRAIFICATION

ASAP

[sullen dove]

god damn it how did this fuckin guy exploit this trinket..

only did 3 million here

o ok no i did just get a 9mil doing the exact same thing i thought

but alright ig

[frosty spade]

which is better?

[sullen dove]

right one

k well trinket sort of succeeding apart from the fact idk how or why his is doing 200k more per hit

[plush raven]

nightly for simm?

[sullen dove]

we gettin there

[jovial wigeon]

so i'm pretty new to fury, should i be trying to be enraged before i rampage? or just hit it when i'm about to cap

[sullen dove]

rampaging enrages you

applying also to the rampage its cast on

pmuch always hit rampage when u can

since its already so infrequent atp with less rage gen

[muted star]

was there some old bug where if you cast it it will snapshot the damage based on number of enemies it thinks it will hit.. so cast it while only 1 is in range but then move into a group so it will do full damage to everything. (or something like that, ymmv)

[sullen dove]

what no what could u ever mean

[plush raven]

Damm i'm dumb, i forgot to re-enchant my helmet xD

[prime kayak]

is this still correct for stat priority?

[slim coral]

lol no

[edgy widget]

they're pretty close but what I've generally found is Frenzy for ST and Powerful for MT

[slim coral]

the wowhead guide was wrong though

about powerful enrage

[edgy widget]

ok see, it sounds like you're talking shit

also wrong about what

[slim coral]

it didnt have powerful enrage talented

[edgy widget]

cause Frenzy is beating it in ST now

Powerful is beating in MT

[edgy widget]

like I just said

[slim coral]

Well I fell behind since last night then lol

[edgy widget]

before tuning, Powerful was like 0.5% ahead, but reducing the burst damage of OF, Frenzy made gains

[slim coral]

my b big dawg

[edgy widget]

it's fine, just go back into twitch, track down every single person who was in that chat and tell them you were wrong

[willow cradle]

Baze is instigating smh

[slim coral]

lmao I'll try my best

[edgy widget]

talk about spreading misinformation, smh

[edgy widget]

also if you read the fuckin pins

smh

[rocky wharf]

Dam dat arch hammer slammeth, judge judy would be proud

[willow cradle]

Smh my head Baze

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-shrug-idk-iono-hands-up-gif-7122581203490458147

[meager void]

now this is the Archi I 'member

[slim coral]

Archi knows I meant no harm

[covert blaze]

this is the glazeface we know and love

[edgy widget]

throws under bus
"I don't mean any harm!"

[slim coral]

I atoned already I told chat I was wrong

[tired mango]

Is the Double 2piece worth even of i get my old s3 Set with 483 item lv?

[hardy cargo]

sim it brotha

but yes

[small hemlock]

Dude! I just used the season 3 2 piece in academy. I was cranking

[sullen dove]

god damn it

lost by 30k first trinket was so scuffed

[slim coral]

[sullen dove]

cringe mickey mouse boss

[slim coral]

what boss

[sullen dove]

tindral

[slim coral]

oh

[sullen dove]

abusing tank trinket

pretty fun stuff

[slim coral]

doesnt count towards all stars anywas

[sullen dove]

but my kill was 70 seconds longer

prolly didnt help

[grim topaz]

does decoration of flame overpowerd in M+ too? or only tindral

[sullen dove]

only tindral

way more cringe to make it work in m+, maybe possible

but like eh

[tacit hatch]

2 ish % more dmg

[small hemlock]

Ah but that’s assuming I had great gear before. Turns out I did not

[rigid stirrup]

sending it on rootspawn or add spawn during first break set?

[rocky wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-game-of-thrones-gif-11381550

[modest condor]

delete parry

[sullen dove]

uh second root p1 and if u can get it second roots p2

but if not then something in p3 idk

[slim coral]

Give parry to casters

[silk wharf]

Could you imagine if where they (ranged) were standing in relation to the boss mattered. The outrage

The few times bosses have had like front facing shields ranged always complain

[sullen dove]

one of the builds of all time

in remix

but i suppose it is remix so w/e

[nocturne dragon]

you need to find god

[cold nimbus]

How could I have season 3 tier set if my war is a new char, do u have any idea if i have no guild for the easiest way ?

[sullen dove]

u can pick up some emerald dream vendor/wq gear and catalyze but at that point because its a lot lower ilvl than whats expected from last raid being 489, its less and less necessary

like its a 2%ish gain to use 2pc at 489 and if u go lower even less important

so prolly dont gotta worry about it

[gloomy loom]

This is the best build right now?

[fickle bluff]

god no

[sullen dove]

missing a couple uh... things on spec tree

doi and uf picker...

[bitter palm]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-duck-gif-1363576254939741235

[mossy fox]

it is innit

found another voker called Augorithm yesterday too, i liked that

[still swift]

pierce me

[covert blaze]

ayo

[indigo arch]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-oh-shit-a-am-sorry-gachimuchi-gif-13510847

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smirk-shrek-sus-shrek-smile-gif-4983018699107868283

[indigo arch]

♂ass we can♂

[covert blaze]

show her who is boss of the gym

[still swift]

it was a challenge

a piercing challenge

[clever path]

🔞

[fair star]

They need to combine the enrage talents and give us a 3% aura nerf or something

Feels bad not having that haste but not having 15% extra dmg also feels bad

[polar narwhal]

Item Restoration still not working?

They'll fix it when they nerf S3 set bonus

[summer quail]

have you tried clearing your cache?

[polar narwhal]

Good point.

But they still mentioned on forums it's bugged.

I wonder how overpowered this would be.

[eager relic]

What does the pin mean about 2p s3 tier? Maybe im stupid but can you get current gear with s3 tier?

[chrome plover]

it is no longer attainable i believe since all raids are awakened

if you have/had 489 tier pieces from season 3 you can use it (item restore if you deleted/sold)

[eager relic]

And 2 set 489 pieces from s3 would be higher dps than 4p s4 at max ilvl?

[chrome plover]

yes, by roughly 2%

[eager relic]

Thats kind of insane

I've never seen anyone run that in raid or m+ though

[chrome plover]

yeah we just dont get much value out of the current 4p anymore due to bloodcraze and we use OF by default so that enables the s3 set

[chrome plover]

quite a number of people dont have it/know about it but if you look through top logs you'll see a most fury warriors using it

[polar narwhal]

Unhinged also contributes to it

[chrome plover]

pre-patch is always a funny time

[eager relic]

I checked Noxiv yesterday and didn't see it. Maybe others are that I didnt see

[polar narwhal]

Nox knows about it but has to restore :d

[chrome plover]

also if people deleted it really early in s4 it might be too late

mine was close to the last page

[eager relic]

Yeah I dont even think mine was 489

Gonna be sad

[plush raven]

How are the Sim looking today?

[mossy fox]

% dmg talents are so fake

you'll get tuned around them anyway

haste enrage feel is just better

[radiant plank]

Just wait for tww s3 and u are back to the haste node

[restive peak]

Just wait for the rework when fury becomes about swinging 4 2hers and the GCD is 6 seconds, a NEW INNOVATIVE FURY

[eager relic]

What do you guys check for rotation and talent updates

Ive been going channel to channel checking all the pins but I'm not seeing a consolidated place for fury

Maybe I missed it

[radiant plank]

wowhead

[potent thicket]

I see fury rotation like boxing, you get a button for left , a button for right hand, a head smash for crit

bonk bonk bonk smash bonk bonk bonk

But yes, wowhead, maybe maxdps to check rotation? but test on dummies to get used to

Hekili helper gave me tunnel vision so i dumped it

[radiant plank]

dont get any rotation helper

just read the guide and go dummy

its fury warrior

[potent thicket]

ngl, i so wish i could add a sound to play when i press one of the skills

[sullen cloak]

I posted some of the top world fury parses last night using split tier set and definitely seems to play better and don't have to bother managing bloodthirst stacks

[drowsy glen]

is fury performing good atm compared to arms?

[chrome plover]

they are both performing very well from what ive seen

[eager relic]

I checked wowhead and icyveins per usual yesterday but icyveins was saying to use thunderous roar in ST rotation which seemed weird to me

I usually just practice on a dummy but I always check for updates you know

[radiant plank]

why is using a major dps cd weird to use in st?

[eager relic]

Well because they dont recommend taking TR in their ST talent build

[final birch]

If youre referring to last season

[eager relic]

I am not

[final birch]

P sure spear was barely ahead

In literal st dummy

[restive peak]

Prepatch is a meme, updates aren't likely complete across the entire guide

[summer quail]

where exactly does it say that, coz on the talent apge they have spear there

[eager relic]

In their rotation guide

For ST

[radiant plank]

Gotta select it buddy

[restive peak]

TR is close on ST and better as soon as a second target is introduced, and depending on kill times may be better for ST, and also synergizes w OF/BB

[summer quail]

you manually click those, they just haven't updated the recommended tab

[radiant plank]

"Select desiers talents using markers to customize the rotation"

[hasty path]

It was such a small difference that could easily be botched by misplay or mechanics

[summer quail]

just click the box

[final birch]

[radiant plank]

Looks alot more if you do as the guide says

[eager relic]

I realize you can change it for your own builds but I thought their default selections would align with their own recommended talent choices.

If I misunderstood my bad

[radiant plank]

this section

[gloomy loom]

Slam? Do you use slam as fury?

[eager relic]

When nothing else is available. Lol

[summer quail]

in pure st with no ww talents yes.

[gloomy loom]

So never 🤣

[dense elbow]

You can, WA, add event for each ability, play sound. You can add custom sounds to WAs if you want - same as we did with heroism

[summer quail]

ye, you can literally add any sound. my friend has the super saiyan 3d when he pops wings

[lapis slate]

I have that when I get PI

[potent thicket]

ok imma try

to hear the bonk sound xD

[next canopy]

You guys like having RA or AM for m+? It’s kind of nice having CDs always lined up

[mossy fox]

AM doesn't get enough value without berserker's torment

and RA is strong

mix of both means RA is just better

[next canopy]

100% bro! Thanks my man. 💪🏽

[terse meadow]

what is ra and am ... sry im new

[next canopy]

Reckless Abandon and Anger Management

[terse meadow]

ahh okay thy

[next canopy]

CB takes prio over rampage with RA?

[mossy fox]

as long as you're enraged yeah

[restive peak]

CB>BB>Ramp>SD when enraged

You'll frequently drop a CB>BB>SD>Ramp every WW in AOE

[eager relic]

Cb is raging blow buff right?

[restive peak]

Yes

I actually haven't noticed much diff when prio'ing SD>Ramp or vice versa tbh

There is, but we'll need more testing or the APL finalized to know 110%

[next canopy]

Thanks boys! @restive peak @mossy fox

[mossy fox]

SD before ramp without ashen feels stinky to me so I do ramp first

if SD first is better, i dont wanna hear it

[dense elbow]

Ngl, I am prioing BB over CB, and ramp over CB, and it is all good enough for goverment work :v

[next canopy]

Haha

[next canopy]

SD is sudden death? I didn’t see that selected in m+ builds for prepatch

[edgy widget]

that was pre-hotfix, IV hasn't deployed new updates yet
cc: @eager relic

should be up soonish though

ooops wrong perosn

[restive peak]

NGL I thought I was in TWW channel LOL

I should clarify Idgaf about prepatch optimizing, but should be pretty close to the same 😛

[edgy widget]

They kinda blur together tbh

[dense elbow]

My best advice for prepatch, just have fun with it - pick whatever and blast

[unique locust]

@restive peak if i am 2p+2p and used avatar and got the 3 stacks of buffed BT. should i use them before all other habilities? should i end them before using OF and getting another? what should i do when using 2p+2p whit this buffed BT? how's the rotation with 2p+2p ?

[dense elbow]

You want to spend your stacks as BBs, yes. But please press other buttons while BB is not ready or on CD

Ideally; BB, ramp, BB, ramp, BB - remember to WW if you are AoEing

Send OF, as stacks stack and empowered stacks reduce CD on OF by autocritting (2 of them get swallowed by BS/rav)

[unique locust]

tyvm

[mental rune]

OF doesn't get CD reduction with 2+2

[dense elbow]

True, my (4) brain kicking in'

[restive peak]

Spend all 3 BBs then OF

You’d still send CBs btw since BB/BT have a CD

[dense elbow]

Not going Ava, Roar, BS, OF disgusts me

[wanton mirage]

is onslaught worth it if I only do Mog runs now?

[clever path]

hey dudes i buffed Skyfury but warrior did not get buff from it? is it cus he uses selb buff?

[dense elbow]

if you doing mog runs, I mean why not - tenderise to proc enrage more often to grant more enrage movementspeed?

[dense elbow]

Warrior doesn't have any buffs that should overwrite Windfury buff

[wanton mirage]

why are you so logical

[clever path]

hmm i mean if he used weapon enchant?

[edgy widget]

you can't actually do this anymore; BT/BB doesn't get a reduced CD from Deft in TWW
Also Unhinged will passively eat half of your Furious Bloodthirst stacks while it's active, so you don't need to worry too much about Slamming Bloodbath and can just prio CB while Ravager is up instead @unique locust - outside of that, yeah prioritize Bloodbath when the Furious Bloodthirst buff is up

[dense elbow]

No, weapon enchants do not overwrite windfury?
Are you playing season of discovery or something?

[bitter palm]

@mossy fox

he stands alone...

green simulator

sometimes 1 brown

[clever path]

no i blay retailo

[dense elbow]

There shouldnt be anything the warrior can do, to remove your windfury buff

[warped bone]

Is it you saying he didn't get it. Or he saying? Aka are his buffs perhaps only showing x amount of buffs

[clever path]

he did not use it 😠

he did not get it 😠

(i checked details)

[warped bone]

Fair

[dense elbow]

He doesnt use it, you activate it, he got no choice about the matter

[warped bone]

Possibly another pre-patch bug then

[edgy widget]

he might have been out of range or something when you activated it, but barring that or some other obscure bug, Skyfury will passively affect everyone

[mossy fox]

hunter cheated with 3x PI, mine is natty

[warped osprey]

we should receive a utility buff like a shout that can remove enrages from the near 4 enemies just saying

[dense elbow]

Critcake natty, no blended chicken

[edgy widget]

Critcake au natural

[warped bone]

As long as he don't go au natural on stream. I kinda like it not being banned

[clever path]

you may test it but i cannot find anything related to windfury on details

[dense elbow]

It called Skyfury nowdays, no?

[clever path]

yes

[mossy fox]

yes

[clever path]

but its windfury all along

[dense elbow]

you on EU mr walter?

[clever path]

yeah

[dense elbow]

We can do a quick check then

[glad coyote]

furys OP in key

love it

[dense elbow]

Fury is really strong in low keys for sure

Eating all the pad damage

[clever path]

whats pad

we can do check sure

[dense elbow]

Aight, just do a /invite Funkykittie-Ravencrest

[glad coyote]

jumped into a ulda 15 last night and was doing 1.1mil over all dps for half the dungeon

ended up at 800ish overall

[hardy prairie]

someone have build for tindral

[dense elbow]

I dont, but you can always rip a build from Warcraftlogs, just sort by Fury Warrior, tindral.
Or you can use Lorrrgs, or whatever that site was called

[edgy widget]

it doesn't show up on details except for under buffs, the extra swings are just melee swings not counted differently

[unique locust]

tyvm...and is Wrath and Fury still bugged?

[edgy widget]

yes, there will be a notification once it's fixed

[unique locust]

ty

[forest owl]

what are people running in m+ atm AM or RA?

[clever path]

i tested with funky he said it works for him; my details was bugging and not updating numbers

thx for info

[edgy widget]

Yeah I figured it was working and just didn't notice it

[jade garden]

Also trying to figure out which is best with 2+2pc

[edgy widget]

RA

[jade garden]

Nice one ❤️

[edgy widget]

AM has better pack-to-pack burst, but RA has more sustained cleave and better ST/prio damage for bosses

So if you're doing like, lower fortified keys that are just trash fests, you could run AM
but RA has better damage profiles for most mid-high level keys

[jade garden]

Appreciate you breaking it down

Do we weave many bloodthirst/rampage into our opening burst on packs? Currently I'm doing Ava/Reck > Roar > Rampage > BS > Odyn > Rampage > BT or something along those lines. Feel like I'm missing out on some juicy BT's from the first reck but idk if they're worth slotting in or if it mis-aligns cds too much

[glad coyote]

its going to be AM for fort weeks and RA for boss weeks

[edgy widget]

for clarity, this is 8 targets sustained (ignore the middle result)

[edgy widget]

potentially at some key levels, but even fortified keys still value priority damage and Fury's priority damage also turns into cleave damage

[dense elbow]

AM losing out on sustained AoE 8t, ok - that needs a small tweak

[glad coyote]

AM seems to feel better cause you can have reck/BS up for every fort pack at least

[edgy widget]

you get more Bladestorm damage, you just lose damage elsewhere

[dense elbow]

So you telling me, we should get a BS buff

A man can dream

[clever path]

man The Death of Slim Shady is out and its insane 💣

[edgy widget]

The biggest issue is getting OF/Reck/BS to all line up nicely with AM

[dense elbow]

That is why I prefer RA, that and BB crits on live ofc

[edgy widget]

because while Reck/BS tend toward 45s, it's not completely consistent, and moving those CDs around to line up with OF (for the Avatar buff) means the 90s desyncs, and moving CDs around again to line them up again just continually loses DPS (part of this is a sim issue, as sims don't really ever like delaying CDs - real world situations may be different because you don't always use abilities strictly on cooldown anyway)

[dense elbow]

If we reduced the efficency, but had AM reduce all the CDs equally, could that work as a potential fix to make it less clunky?

[edgy widget]

that ain't gonna happen

and AM doesn't reduce OF in the first place, unless you're suggesting making it a 90s base

[dense elbow]

Isnt Avatar just a glorfied OF at this point

[edgy widget]

no, it's an EXTRA OF

[dense elbow]

Nah nah, it is OF with avatar tacked on

[edgy widget]

The Avatar part is more important

but again we're not talking about Avatar, we're talking about OF

you asked if making AM affect everything would help - it wouldn't, because OF is already 45s

You could replace Uproar with "TR is now affected by AM" but that's only a good thing if you're using AM, and a bad thing if you're using RA

[glad coyote]

wonder what would happen if they made OF 1.5m and put on it on the AM cd

[edgy widget]

Idk but it would be dumb imo

[dense elbow]

Gut instinct, it would feel very restrictive, and something weird would happen with RA to compensate

[edgy widget]

TBH the better change is probably just nerfing RA, since it's still overperforming

[dense elbow]

I agree, but my mind also enjoys RA, so disagrees

[edgy widget]

nobody said kill it, just nerf it

[summer quail]

nerf the cb part, would be really sad if they nerfed bb more

[edgy widget]

it's like 8% ahead of AM in ST right now, drop that down to ~5% and AM's MT value raises accordingly

Yes, CB is the strong part (plus its follow-on talents)

[dense elbow]

They could make CB bonus dam not cleave, just hit prio target. That would push AM MT and RA still would be just as strong on ST

[summer quail]

that sounds ass

[hardy cargo]

That seems really difficult to code

And by that

They’d fuck it up

So just nerf RA into the ground

[edgy widget]

no that's not going to happen

for one its unintuitive
for two it hurts fury's already mid and target limited cleave

[dense elbow]

As long we kings of burst, I can live with limited cleave potential on an overall basis

[edgy widget]

ok but that doesn't help Fury's burst either

[dense elbow]

That was not the intention tho, if I wanted that, I would buff OF back up

[edgy widget]

there's always this desire to reinvent the wheel, when the actual solutions are usually very straightforward - just tune the knobs we got

trying to come up with new effects just creates new problems

[dense elbow]

Create new effects, hope they bug out in a positive way, exploit early and often.

[hardy cargo]

I think the best reinvention of RA would have to be how it was in SL, (buffs abilities during reck), and extra crit dam (im unsure if they’ve done this already)

[edgy widget]

beneficial bugs always get fixed quicker than negative ones

[dense elbow]

4 weeks of power, gets scuffed, bugged for the next 2 years.

To go in another direction, on live, how ppl feel Fury is DPS wise?
My take it seems quite balanced. We fall off quick, but burst hard. Yet, warlocks (RoF) and arcane mages really show us what AoE DPS is on an overall basis

[eternal canopy]

idk still getting used to ww not having a cooldown

[edgy widget]

and then relearn it all over again for Thane 😆

[eternal canopy]

lol i kinda like thane/s3 ww cause i dont have to think like okay its been 4 globals i need to ww

[hardy cargo]

Speaking of thane, is TC CD hasted

[edgy widget]

yes

[eternal canopy]

i just send on cd

[hardy cargo]

Very nice

[edgy widget]

you more or less do just send it on CD in multitarget, ST is more of a filler htough

[warped osprey]

noob question here, whirlwind buff make us hits 4 more enemies, in a cone? like cleave? or full 360? like i need to be in a good position before using my next 4 skills or i can hit enemies behind me?

[edgy widget]

full 360 based on your position, not the target you hit

[warped osprey]

tyvm

[jovial wigeon]

so i should be using avatar before bladestorm right? or is it reck-charge-storm-then avatar?

[sly birch]

Hi everyone, when reckless abandon procs on bloodthirst, I should spent the proc or wait for the tierset %?

[meager void]

wouldnt it be great if there would be something like a wowhead guide about these questions?
https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps

[upbeat sentinel]

Is the warband stuff still cooked af

[split coyote]

We finally killed Sark last night. We lusted 2nd phase and only got 1 set of adds. Was hoping for more add pad.

[warm crag]

p2 lust sounds cooked as fuck

is that actual tech nowadays

[split coyote]

We kinda arrived at that strat because some of our ranged is smooth brain

[modest condor]

does that make you skip the first bombs too?

[split coyote]

no, just 1 set of bombs though

I'm not the greatest with log reading, but here is the kill if you're wondering what happened.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Dc9Ly8MwNGCRdazJ#fight=last

[unreal onyx]

no

p3 always

I also finished my new PC build and am installing all my games now

tww gaming iminent

[fathom cipher]

Woo! New PC! What parts did you go with?

[unreal onyx]

ryzen 7 7800X3D with a nzxt 360 aio, RTX 4080 Super

[fathom cipher]

Nice! I also went 7800x3d

[unreal onyx]

2 2TB m.2 SSDs, 64GB 6000MHz RAM

[proper hedge]

enjoy my friend

[unreal onyx]

thanks

hopefully I will get more than 25FPS on a raid pull now

(with my current 2080 Super and i9 9900k)

[fathom cipher]

You certainly would hope so.

[unreal onyx]

RGB not configured yet but I really dig the aesthetics

[eager relic]

Lol do you play in 4k or something

[unreal onyx]

1440p

[paper ocean]

Or just answer the question

[fathom cipher]

I only get 60 to 70 fps in Valdrakken unfortunately.

[eager relic]

Same

Im getting 70 fps rn in Vald

4070ti

Also 1440p

[paper ocean]

70?! That’s luxury. Im getting 45 xD

[unreal onyx]

valdrakken seems to be horrible for FPS

everything else is fine but valdrakken is absolute dogwater

[eager relic]

Im also at the dummies so that probably isnt helping

[unreal onyx]

any other major hub is fine too

[paper ocean]

Went to shadowlands for that. Smooth gameplay

[eager relic]

I dont even know where the dummies in SL are anymore

[unreal onyx]

at the covenants I think

[paper ocean]

Bastian one is at the top right of the zone

[eager relic]

Ah yes. I was a bastion boy

[unreal onyx]

venthyr for lore, ardenweald for aesthetics and bastion for abilities

[paper ocean]

Basti… i mean champions spear was so fun to use in SL. So annoying for everyone else in the dungeon xD

[eager relic]

Yeah spear and bron

Loved SL for those 2 things

BIG BRON

[paper ocean]

He smashed

[unreal onyx]

although AA was pretty cool too

[rotund eagle]

I think gnome warrior is good to go for next xpac

[tender sky]

Right now (and in tww) would you rather overcap rage, or munch a RA proc of Crushing Blow?
Wowhead priority seems to say we may sometimes overcap rage in prio

[gilded pawn]

Overcap is fine

[lean wasp]

are gonna be able to transfer crests and flightstones when warbands are working ?

[next canopy]

I just tested it and my BB is hitting way harder than my CB. I’m too dumb to figure out why. Don’t get how CB is prio over BB(running s4 set 4 pc) @restive peak

[fleet cargo]

yoo

is fury better than arms on pre patch ?

didnt give it a try

arms feels so good but wanna know about fury too

[frank dawn]

arms seems to be doing better in raids generally

fury can be a hella blaster in dungeons, especially on more mid-low high level keys

[wintry pelican]

Wrath and Fury is still bugged?

[unique locust]

yes

[restive peak]

The prio doesn’t matter much cuz you’ll always send both and be waiting for BB/BT CD, and once W+F is fixed CB will likely be a bit better

[wintry pelican]

kk ty

[unique locust]

both are good...play what you like most...

[restive peak]

Your “rotation” is CB/BB/Ramp again regardless of the order, there may be a small time when you’d get 1 last GCD so your order matters but if the boss dies, it really doesn’t matter..and if it doesn’t it wasn’t the last GCD anyway

[next canopy]

Ahh I was thinking the same. Ie. Have to hit both buttons anyways. Thanks bro

[restive peak]

Anytime homeskilleto

[frank dawn]

inb4 you don't time a key by one gcd and the right button would have done it

smh

[sullen dove]

[restive peak]

Now we’re talking about the real problems!

[next canopy]

Haha

[next canopy]

❤️ 💪

[unreal onyx]

?

[shadow rover]

crazy how strong mastery is rn for me

[graceful ruin]

i'm thinking of upgrading in the next year or so and 7800x3d sounds like a great idea lol

tbh my setup isn't bad at all atm, i have a 5600x and i find that although it's enough for gaming, it begins to struggle when i'm doing other shit as well like spotify/discord streams/browser

and i hear the 3d cache is really nice for wow

[unreal onyx]

I only use my pc to game and browse, occasional minor image editing so that was the imo best choice

[graceful ruin]

my only issue is that i'll have to spend around £600 since it'll be fully upgrading to next gen

altho i can't complain about faster ram and a better mobo

[wild mural]

fury's alright

i guess

[unreal onyx]

if syi tops meters

game is broken

[wild mural]

:Xdd

I'd back my arms to gap my fury tho

Also I'm goated so ofc I'd top

[chilly fractal]

Nah I’d win

[wild mural]

come over and find out

😏

[indigo hedge]

So CSB is definitely a no go for low level m+ right?