#fury
sullen basin
https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237
cant get 100% dont have avoidance pumped 
yeah it could be but the paladin did 0 dps so fights lasted long enough to drop the numbies also no massive pulls
covert blaze
wide egret
aww the poor kitty needs a nebulizer
half cargo
compact knot
he is inhaling opium
compact knot
prot warrior jumpscare
clever path
prot warrior jumpscare
Nice normal flex 💪
compact knot
yeah u right
heroic and mythic still looking nice thouh
last couple of weeks i only got like 3 or 4 mythic bosses, i got up till sark this week so mythic is a actual real number kinda
sullen basin
is 75% enough mastery
covert blaze
They should make spyro a raid boss
that kinda what sark is tbf
covert blaze
last couple of weeks i only got like 3 or 4 mythic bosses, i got up till sark th...
are you still in EO
compact knot
are you still in EO
sort of
i joined another guild but still raid with eo from time to time
covert blaze
that's chill
modest condor
i think we solved wards
sullen basin
I won the avoidable damage taken meter 💪🏻
61% probably low for ulda right its not like that place is full of rot damage
south kayak
i think we solved wards
How
covert blaze
I won the avoidable damage taken meter 💪🏻
💀
sullen basin
even though the monk died at 50% on last boss and the lock ressed them at like 6% i still didnt win the dps meter
south kayak
At least you’re first on avoidable damage
sullen basin
yuh
south kayak
even though the monk died at 50% on last boss and the lock ressed them at like 6...
Can I see his overall breakdown
dense elbow
Have you tried pushing Odyn's Fury?
south kayak
sullen basin
i recrafted my 502 belt to 525 so now i should totally win
sullen basin
Can I see his overall breakdown
yeah heres her breakdown
sullen basin
wish whirlwind owned
summer quail
wish whirlwind owned
arms whirlwind owns atleast
modest condor
new record
south kayak
wish whirlwind owned
It’s an enabler
south kayak
Btw isn’t mark if arrogance a tank gem
oblique trail
It is
Well technically
Suppose it procs from any source of damage taken, and not just directly
oblique trail
Unlikely since it's inconsistent
oblique trail
But can't really say I've bothered to test what's the best min/max setup
And just pick random damage gems
south kayak
And I’m trying to figure out bis gems
oblique trail
99% of groups use ward anyway
So doesn't really matter most of the time what other gems you use
south kayak
The wowhead guide says to use quick strike
Which is odd since ww monk auto attack is dogshit
Idk
sullen basin
monk and druid died to add circle
south kayak
What circle
south kayak
storm meadow
monk and druid died to add circle
What fight was that ?
young swan
u should buy a journal
young swan
definitely buy a journal
flat river
I'll call it GalaStronk's Adventures in the Dream World
young swan
excellent
flat river
has a ring to it
young swan
keep it in the journal
sullen basin
What fight was that ?
treeboy
flat river
me after doing heroic raid 
sullen basin
had a decent algethar
sullen basin
my previous best was like 360k in any dungeon
so
clearly recrafting my belt to 525 was worth it
eternal sundial
journal
dense elbow
I am proud of you Bova, keep it up 
flat river
I am proud of you Bova, keep it up <:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
are u proud of me?
flat river
dense elbow
Get into beta, do a good cook, and I will review my decision
dense elbow
Yarp
hardy cargo
does details show combat time and wclogs total run time
Yes
supple tangle
Is there any benefit to spell reflecting the energy bomb on Echo of Doragosa? To prevent the 3rd stack I guess?
covert blaze
@young swan hi xan 
modest condor
ayy im not a frog farmer
static bison
wanna know how much those fuckers got nerfed
rigid stirrup
I mean if they're max ilvl
cloak nerfs to them is just stamina lost thats about it
cyan star
ayy im not a frog farmer
Sus
modest condor
rip
heavy geyser
most my farming came from other stuff aka heart of fear / hyperspawn farming.
heavy geyser
it is a nerf when u lose 60k stam and 8k main stat/secondaries
heavy geyser
Real answer to this is just nvr put time into these game modes by blizz lmao
cyan star
it is a nerf when u lose 60k stam and 8k main stat/secondaries
Still 2-3x most people
heavy geyser
So?
I did it by not frog farrming
lmao
i was at 8k stam by the end of my frog farming
rigid stirrup
Not bad for not getting hit with the hammer
modest condor
heavy geyser
did u guys relog?
rigid stirrup
if you got the quest you're safe
heavy geyser
ah
rigid stirrup
damn sil I thought I was gaming
rigid stirrup
including LFR?
modest condor
no fuck that xd
rigid stirrup
phew
modest condor
did lfr for 2 days then i was like this is too much hassle
rigid stirrup
yeah I was late because I was stun locked at throne of thunder for a bit
modest condor
oh yeah tot gave me some trouble as well
cyan star
Dark animus pugs
modest condor
but we managed to do it on heroic today
humble plover
May wanna relog anyways. Just saw someone that got the quest and nerfed
rigid stirrup
that early scaling made shit impossible without an actual frogger
cyan star
screech
modest condor
ok relogging
rigid stirrup
STILL SAFE
modest condor
oh yeah my cloak got nerfed as well, interesting
humble plover
Guildie cloak after nerf
heavy geyser
interesting
modest condor
my guildy who's cloak was like 15k stamina higher than me didnt get nerfed
heavy geyser
I mean its just dumb lmao. I never knew raid mobs weren't supposed to drop threads either lmao
humble plover
I did like 30 frogs and maybe 30 hof runs. See if I catch it too lol
I'm not like crazy op either. Definitely not bad but I'm at like 1.8 mil hp?
oblique trail
and 5-6 resets of the setting sun trash
young swan
8k charms
oblique trail
guess I'm just a dirty little exploiter compared to those who have abused every farm so far
modest condor
guildy of mine farmed like 6k charms and didnt get his cloak rolled back lmao
heavy geyser
Idk why they just don't use PTR to just determine whether or not mobs should drop stuff or not. lmao
eternal sundial
8k charms
this is what wowheaders think of ur kind
dirty frogger
f*nch too
🤮
young swan
yeah im logging off
eternal sundial
ya xannie
if u didnt overdo frogs ye
maybe try a ticket
friend of mine is trying it as well - mainly did HOF for levels
young swan
i mean
i farmed 8k charms
my buddy farm
16k
didnt get reset
got his 40k bronze
modest condor
the weirdest thing is that i got the 40k bronze but still had my cloak reset
heavy geyser
apparently if u were on the game when the claok went through then u are fine
the roll backs
on getting the bronze but relog = cloak rollback
covert blaze
I didn't let you finish
ok kanye
slim pollen
It's a bit funny, because of the RNG of stat gains, some of mine are higher than the nerfed cloaks now 😄
rich loom
guys i miss the rage
slim pollen
🤦♂️
sour tundra
someone i know who got level 70 after the frog nerf was deemed as a frog farmer and got hit with the nerf blizzard is unreal LOL
cyan star
I wish I could just get big cloak stats on random alt 👀
humble plover
someone i know who got level 70 after the frog nerf was deemed as a frog farmer ...
Did they farm frogs before level 70? Cuz you could
humble plover
Good game we play
young swan
‼️
cyan star
Good game we play
shy knot
What 40k bronze quest
cyan star
We love to be slaves to this game
gleaming siren
It's a bit funny, because of the RNG of stat gains, some of mine are higher than...
my cloak is untouched
through multiple relogs
🤷♂️
modest condor
guildy of mine with over 60k stam also didnt get touched
sour tundra
have you logged out?
modest condor
both of us did about 2 hours of frogs
sour tundra
if you log out and back in thats when you find out if you got a nerf
dapper jacinth
bobrcake why readin this
mossy fox
why not
oblique trail
Crit secretly laughing at the people who spent time playing Remix
tight rain
Hi everyone, I've been playing for about two months, I'm a warrior (fury), and I see a lot of people insulting me for the damage I do (single target 140-160) AOE (250-390)... obviously I see paladins etc who also do 600 etc!
I would like to have an opinion where I'm wrong! Everyone tells me that my gear is crazy but that I sucks for the damage and it's my fault... I honestly don't understand what I should do...
My character name is: Fries
I play in EU server call: Pozzo dell’eternità
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/pozzo-delleternità/fries
Thanks
covert blaze
Hi everyone, I've been playing for about two months, I'm a warrior (fury), and I...
you might want to post this on #449510248579858432 but from a quick glance you need to work on your enrage uptime and your uptime in general
and using your CDS on cd
gleaming siren
have you logged out?
multiple times
eternal sundial
140 in st means ur prolly doing stuff very wrong so post a log
covert blaze
@tight rain post your rashok log in #449510248579858432
cyan star
Long ago, someone from Blood Legion taught me the greatest tip.
Send CDs on CD unless you’re told not to 😂
wanton mirage
I'm kinda thankful to frog farmers now. Since I don't have any time to commit for any serious farm anyway. Frog farmers urged the Blizz to roll out bronze buffs to other players faster than if there is non farmers at all.
hardy cargo
I kinda get giving players a way to catch up to the people who degen farmed it out, but I don’t get why blizzard punishing people for a farm that’s 12 years old
It’s just a 4fun game mode and they’ve done pretty good on ways for people to catch up, though they are still significantly stronger with max ilvl gear from all the bronze
royal oxide
Is fury still in a stinky spot or they looking better now?
glad coyote
cyan star
Fury is fine , play it if you like it
tight rain
you might want to post this on <#449510248579858432> but from a quick glance you...
posted! Honestly it seems to me that the fury can't do any damage lol However can you be more precise?
covert blaze
posted! Honestly it seems to me that the fury can't do any damage lol However ...
it's not a fury problem, you are missing a lot of essentials in your gameplay
cyan star
Would read your talents and passives to understand what all they’re doing
covert blaze
by uptime in general I mean not leaving the boss' melee range unnecessarily and always casting spells on the boss
hardy cargo
posted! Honestly it seems to me that the fury can't do any damage lol However ...
its a very common issue among people who are new to fury that they arent always casting something. As fury missing globals due to not pressing ur buttons fast enough kills ur dps
clever path
Buff fury attack range
hardy cargo
nah just nerf everyone down to 5 yds and make it even
hardy cargo
oh did they? pog
clever path
Whoops
hardy cargo
I assume those are alpha changes? Ive not looked at changes coming in tww very much at all
pretty much just the hero trees that were released the day slayer came out, and the latest round of slayer changes
young swan
I assume those are alpha changes? Ive not looked at changes coming in tww very m...
yee
clever path
I had a paladin doing no ding cause he was 20 yards from everything in this dungeon
Dmg
It was funny to see
tight rain
its a *very* common issue among people who are new to fury that they arent **alw...
Can you give me an example of what I should improve? Like a perfect casting?
mossy fox
if you started playing wow 2 months ago it's probably a matter of playing more and getting comfortable with controls, keybinds and everything else
reading guides will help, or maybe watching people play the spec will give you an idea of what you need to be doing
hardy cargo
Can you give me an example of what I should improve? Like a perfect casting?
I havent looked so I cant give specifics, was just trying to tack a lil more information onto what @covert blaze was saying. But, like crit was saying the wowhead guide (should be in the pins of this channel) will help you with priority, and things of that nature to help you grasp exactly what u need to do
mossy fox
reading guide and just practicing on the 5 dummies in valdrakken should help
hardy cargo
yeah the actual priority of fury is easy to pick up, only 4 buttons like I said its normally just the speed is what gets people
and the more comfortable u are with priority, and the more you play wow the easier that is
mossy fox
total guess here, but i imagine if you play properly with that gear on the 5 dummies in valdrakken you should be able to sustain like 600k dps
tight rain
total guess here, but i imagine if you play properly with that gear on the 5 dum...
Single target or AOE?
tight rain
I havent looked so I cant give specifics, was just trying to tack a lil more inf...
the problem is I do what wowhead says lol🤣
faint whale
Single target or AOE?
Aoe
tight rain
I recommend to check out crit’s ytube channel as well
Ok thx
So, single target average to be good 200K?
faint whale
Crit has essential WA’s for fury as well as his general dungeon rotations in DF
But wowhead guide also provides pretty much everything for fury
covert blaze
the problem is I do what wowhead says lol🤣
Not well enough I'm afraid, just gotta practice more
mossy fox
Single target or AOE?
5 targets, so aoe
sharp heath
Does WW enter the rotation at two targets, or more?
mossy fox
at 2 targets yup
sharp heath
Cool beans
mossy fox
the problem is I do what wowhead says lol🤣
maybe this helps idk
i just punch dummies for 2 mins here
summer quail
the problem is I do what wowhead says lol🤣
i only took a look at your aberrus logs from 20 days ago so things might have changed. there you most certainly did not
lament hamlet
is there anything in mop remix that elevates smf out of the toilet and into something useable
frank dawn
yes, like 70% of your power comes from gems
so the other stuff doesn't really matter
play smf, go wild
sharp heath
When leveling yeah. At 70 when serious gear upgrades kick in, tinker damage drops way the hell off
hardy cargo
tinkers scale with your gear
sharp heath
Ya they do, but your abilities scale better as you get more and more stats
modest condor
tinkers always stay a relevant part of your damage
not 70% of your damage tho
if i can find a dummy i can check real quick
sharp heath
Yah at about 370 ilvl I think tinkers are about... 30% of my damage, last I checked?
modest condor
can only find a spot with 4 dummies so i guess ill just do some aoe testing
sharp heath
Not including Ward shenanigans of course
sharp heath
Lifestorm over Funeral Pyre?
I'm still trying to work out which Metas are best for various situations
amber arch
need some advice on what to craft next
was going to do flava pocket, but I have a bunch of nice heroic rings with more mastery than crafted would provide. nice hero belt with socket, myth neck too
the neck is really haste heavy though and I need mastery
So I was going to do BSL neck
covert blaze
def not ring cause youre gonna buy diurna ring soonish
modest condor
Lifestorm over Funeral Pyre?
it's just for ward gaming in raids, i didnt bother to swap
heavy geyser
Life storm and searing does like 40mill together at max ilvl
covert blaze
need some advice on what to craft next
i did bsl boots into bsl neck and crafted flavor pocket bracers this week
fast crest
tight rain
Thx dude! Can I get the name of the add-on?
upbeat sentinel
Cloak nerf only seems to have rly hurt the most egregious ones
Slowed our boss kills by 3s lmao
modest condor
no it mostly hurt the people who just checked what it was like and then moved on and got their threads from normal content
people who farmed hardcore have their gear at 556 anyway so the loss of cloak stats is whatever
actually anybody who spent bronze on gear barely got hit
upbeat sentinel
no it mostly hurt the people who just checked what it was like and then moved on...
Na it gutted the fuck out of current boosters
but they'll be maxed again in like 3 days so ig maybe not
modest condor
nah it really didnt
you could unequip your cloak and still easily clear mythic soo
upbeat sentinel
Not with 20 buyers/20 sellers split u cant
covert blaze
people buy boosts in remix?
covert blaze
💀
bitter palm
why
upbeat sentinel
So the guild makes 40m a run through SoO
it's actually nuts
some succesfully charge 5m
modest condor
the mythic soo boosters had pretty tame cloaks lol
modest condor
you dont need healers or blood dks for ward strat, just use 5 wards and 5 lifestorms
we were getting 400mil+ wards in our run earlier with no geared healers just by having a bunch of people use their lifestorms
upbeat sentinel
we were getting 400mil+ wards in our run earlier with no geared healers just by ...
they're very worried about balance btw
Kinda shocked they didnt account action gate farmers
modest condor
honestly i have no idea how they decided to do any of this
people with similar amounts of farm have different results
people with more farm didnt get actioned while people with less farm did
it all makes no sense
hardy cargo
best way for them to fix the gap is just reduce the cost of actual gear upgrades I think, I dont see the point in a time limited game mode of half assed rolling exploiters back
its 4 fun who honestly cares if exploiters carry people in a heroic raid, its way easier to just make their exploit more attainable to avg joe than to roll ppl back
modest condor
man
you can be 556 by now without ever having touched a frog
i got somewhere around 50-60k bronze from frogs and i missed several raid lockouts and barely did any dailies and im ilvl 556
potent chasm
best fury build for remix? Is it just the current build?
bitter palm
best way for them to fix the gap is just reduce the cost of actual gear upgrades...
no
cant have fun
in a for fun mode
hardy cargo
ive not been doing my due dilligence in farming mop gear since thats the case them drawing this line in the sand that fixes nothing and rolling people back was pointless lol
upbeat sentinel
its 4 fun who honestly cares if exploiters carry people in a heroic raid, its wa...
call frog farm exploiting
Don't ban gate people
heavy geyser
Well blizzard did say frogs dropping charms was "unintentional"
So they get to make an excuse of saying its an exploit
heavy geyser
Intentionally Unintentional
potent chasm
That was a VERY well known farm in pandaria
heavy geyser
I want everyone who farmed frogs back in pandaria to be banned pls ty blizzard
upbeat sentinel
I want everyone who farmed frogs to be hired to betatest
modest condor
also ban the people that abused the hyperspawn for sabellian/wrathion rep back at the start of dragonflight tbh
modest condor
dude
get rid of some of that mastery and put it in vers
you're losing so much damage right now
sour tundra
yeah a TON of people didnt get rolled back even tho they have HUGE cloaks
idk what logic blizzard came up with to decide who got nerfed and who didnt
bitter palm
there are drs
upbeat sentinel
is carrying the piss out of me
bitter palm
why are there drs in mop remix
upbeat sentinel
it needs DRs
we already get exponentially more powerful, it doesnt need to be that much
bitter palm
let me run 500% vers
sour tundra
insane
i wonder if those are the people that didnt log off
you don't get rolled back if you dont log off
obtuse steeple
yes
@modest condor
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upbeat sentinel
you don't get rolled back if you dont log off
what
sour tundra
what
yeah when the cloak nerfs went out if you were in the game at the time your cloak didn't get nerfed even if it was suppose to.
but if you log out it resets it
upbeat sentinel
So they just have to stay online
Until Blizz turns off the trigger
So who
playtested this
young swan
wouldnt matter anyways
upbeat sentinel
That was Mythic Nazgrim just getting bodybagged
quaint fiber
hi to all esteemed warriors, does any of the CE players here knows if https://www.wowhead.com/item=201790/renewed-proto-drake-embodiment-of-the-storm-eater is a guarenteed drop from mythic difficulty or is it also just a random drop chance, cant find any reliable info or wowhead or google
young swan
its random
quaint fiber
its random
thank you!
signal eagle
SMF or Grip for remix?
faint whale
SMF or Grip for remix?
Half of each
signal eagle
what does that mean
faint whale
One hander and two hander
south kayak
i'm gonna go smf fuck it
humble plover
https://gyazo.com/04749369b534cddb8dd9587ccb30fa77
so glad my 30k stam cloak got nerfed 
upbeat sentinel
so glad my 30k stam cloak got nerfed <:wicked:937093876857045012>
Mine was like
28
It's unironically back to where it was already 💀
compact flint
Thats really crazy so i ran through a m0 solo at 518 with season 3 talents and somehow im putting out more damage than season 4's talents not sure how or why.
sullen dove
You have s4 4set?
o wait u soloed an m0 lol I mean idk can kinda depend how u pull
Like s3 is burstier so if u want between pulling packs and use all cds on them yea it’d look stronger
generally s4 a lot higher sustained aoe
compact flint
generally s4 a lot higher sustained aoe
I target dummied season 3 vs season 4 with another warrior and seems season 3 is staying around 400k minimum aoe with burst of 1 million as for season 4 its staying around 320k with burst of 600k. And yes I do have season 4 tier set all heroic level.
compact flint
I know but if you look at the tier set youre suppose to be using bloodthirst constantly unless i am wrong.
compact flint
Like at 518 i can barely do 350k aoe damage and then it drops to 260k and it never increases back up to 300k unless i wait til every CD is available. But with Season 3 talents my Aoe stays 400k constantly for 5 minutes and burst window up to 990k at 518 every 1-2 minutes approximate. I dont know if i have the wrong stats or what.
compact flint
Im using the same talents that critcake uses for fury.
compact flint
No i have same priority of spells down i use them with Weak Auras etc.
fading sky
?
fading sky
Did u sim?? Like coz this makes no sensr
sullen dove
but s4 prio is u hit rampage the second its available no matter what
and rest kinda falls into place after that
compact flint
The weakauras that Crit uses and following the same rotations as he uses
fading sky
@mossy fox ?
compact flint
Did u sim?? Like coz this makes no sensr
Yeah i sim all the time but there is flaws
fading sky
I blame crit his videos needs updating🤣
But zenesha kaching wa + press rampage 24/7
And u will do morw
If not u forgot to press ww
Also plz link the 2 builds u are using @compact flint
compact flint
Both talents trees?
sullen dove
regardless again like s3 vs s4 dps "can be close m a y b e" depending on circumstances but theres 0 chance your s4 is 100k behind s3 and you say youre playing correctly
sullen dove
s3 build is probably the normal one considering he says he doin 400k with it
but maybe something off with s4 idk
compact flint
Season 4: BgEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7HAAAAAAAAAAQggSCBRQIikEFQICRQIJplEJJhkQSIRKBIJSEAAAEQQA
Season 3: BgEAfuKaizEAgP2qANDB2hmf7HAAAAAAAAAAQggSCQESgIJRDEiQEESgEJJhkERIRaplkASSAAAQABB
They are both M+ builds not raiding
oblique trail
Like at 518 i can barely do 350k aoe damage and then it drops to 260k and it nev...
Gonna just say this much, stats won't ever be the determining factor for you to do damage, and if you think you do little damage, you are in the vast majority of cases not playing right
sullen dove
dont think i did hold on this goober stuff weird
silk wharf
maybe they "broke" the t3 set somehow and the damage bonus is cleaving.
sullen dove
ok yea nvm, i mean s4 build looks real, perchance like 1 or 2 nodes swapped for slight gains but that is right, so yea idk just need to hit rampage more
could u imagine holy 
fading sky
Ye if s3 cleaved jesus
silk wharf
did any of the buffs fury got recently have to do with bt or whirlwind? I dont remember.
Easy enough to test I guess.
Since I packrat all my old gear
sullen dove
fading sky
@compact flint next step is linking details from the 2 tests i guess or a log. Though a details can show some
sullen dove
fading sky
But in gen id say, raging blow + rampage + tender thingy > bt
And makes sure ww stacks are up
Bt on sound only😅
barren dagger
should i change race to gain 5k dps
sullen dove
barren dagger
night elf but then i need to add a keybind for meld innit
fading sky
Not for dmg
sullen dove
night elves do indeed look good
fading sky
Y
silk wharf
Void elves pay for the race cahnge with reduced mog costs. And you look good
barren dagger
i guess void and NE sim the same
silk wharf
No meld though, which does have useful applications.
compact flint
<@1109618959424172083> next step is linking details from the 2 tests i guess or ...
Do you want picture evidence?
compact flint
I mean i dont think anyone has tested out S3 talents with season 4 tier set in mythic+ I could try one after i wake up and give updates or i could even stream it on my youtube channel etc.
sullen dove
s3 talents is specifically really bad with s4 set
fading sky
No no just use correct talents for both sets
sullen dove
the set completely goes against how your supposed to play s3
fading sky
And show us the breakdown of the abilities used
sullen dove
with s4 set u need to stack up bt and hit it after like 5-6 rampages, where s3 playstyle is you hit bb after every single rampage
compact flint
I been using Raging blow on CD
compact flint
silk wharf
Solved
sullen dove
feel like ramp should be a lot higher
silk wharf
jk
compact flint
1 minute max
fading sky
Ye this looks hella weird😅
sullen dove
are you full focusing raging blow and then hitting rampage
cuz rampage should be like double - sometimes triple the damage of raging blow
compact flint
are you full focusing raging blow and then hitting rampage
Well its always up raging blow is
sullen dove
and raging blow retains spot as top 2 or 3 ability
yeah but are you like hard focusing on spending its charges
or you using it as like a "filler"
cuz number 1 priority is hit rampage the instant its available
fading sky
Isnt also onslaught above rb
fading sky
Rampage goes brrrrrr
sullen dove
i just also attacked the cleave dummies for 1 minute
so like
idk u need to be hitting rampage way more
and bloodthirst too
do u have the weakaura that tracks it's critrate
and goes "kaching" when youre supposed to hit it
(at or around 100% critrate)
compact flint
I just dont know when to hit Raging blow is my main issue
fading sky
When
sullen dove
you hit raging blow when you cant hit an empowered bt/onslaught or execute
it is basically your last in line button youd want to hit
rampage to spend rage takes priority over everything
fading sky
Ofc make sure u have ww charges up
sullen dove
then if you have a 100% critrate bt you'd rather hit that, if not then onslaught/execute, and at the very end of the chain is raging blow
you still will hit it the most often cuz the other shit is sporadic/long cooldown
oblique trail
WW to refresh charges in AoE > BT at 95% or above crit > ramp > exe > onslaught > rb > bt > ww
sullen dove
but raging blow is absolutely not a focus
oblique trail
Just follow this priority and assuming you're doing it right, you'll see a change
compact flint
sullen dove
def an improvement
ramp and bt prolly still should be a little higher
but hit bt more than like once it seems that time at least
compact flint
I dont hit bloodthirst til like above 90% on Weak Aura of Critcake's the same one you see in his stream
sullen dove
can u hover over casts on it and see how many times it said u hit it
cuz in that 1 minute i hit it about 6 times
compact flint
It makes like a ding sound
sullen dove
and it did that much
it could also just be ilvl difference
that my number looks a lot higher
compact flint
im 518 so...
sullen dove
but i think like compared to other spells it should be in the same place
like top 5 abilities
not top 10
sullen dove
were u like auto attacking this whole time
csb scorching torment and seal is so high lol
silk wharf
that 50% crit rate I think is the problem
sullen dove
wait
youre not cleaving the bts???
10 casts and 10 hits
you know u need to have ww up
when u hit bt right
compact flint
I was auto attacking yeah lmao during that SS
sullen dove
that bt cleaves onto every target
each one should do 3x more damage per cast
when u cleave onto 5 targets
vs just the main one
maybe u wouldntve known that if s3 the first time u played i guess
not that you were supposed to avoid cleaving those bb's cause you absolutely still did, just the cleaved ones didnt gain any benefit from the set
south kayak
why is the chat going fast
compact flint
I kinda skipped season 2 cause of reasons so i didnt get to use the set
Then grinded hard in season 3 the best i could making it 2 item levels under the max and season 3 felt too good to me. Could be an issue of me liking season 3 more or something.
sullen dove
yea i mean i generally enjoy s3 more too, but liking or not liking something aside u gotta understand that hitting ww to cleave your single target abilities into aoe is integral to fury as a whole regardless of what set youre playing
so basically yeah the initial priority change looked good
your rampage was a lot higher
but just make extra sure you whirlwind more often to have meatcleaver stacks up when u hit bloodthirst
silk wharf
the 50% crit rate on bt, to me at least, indicates that you're using bt too often. And throwing the set bonus away on non crits.
sullen dove
especially like, when it looks like u almost went out of your way to only hit it when u didnt have ww up
oh yea i didnt even notice the crit ratio of it
so combination of: Have whirlwind up when you hit bt + double check you actually hit bt when you have close to max critrate like weakaura should say
silk wharf
There were only 10, it could have been severely unlucky. 10 is a very small sample size.
sullen dove
cause 50% crit def means youre not hitting it every time when weakaura says to
yea if u lose like a 5% 5 times i mean, seems extremely improbable but possible ig
silk wharf
It certainly indicates though
sullen dove
like my 6 bt's crit on 29 hits and i got unlucky on 1
but w/e shit happens
this is the weakaura in pins
idk if same as what crit uses
but it should generally be the same idea
sullen dove
real
raging blow still a little high i think
maybe overprioritizing it a bit
but yea bloodthirst top 6 now
south kayak
raging blow is way too high
sullen dove
with my "rough" estimate based on both the target dummies i hit and the key i did where the ratios between button pushes were about the same
compact flint
raging blow still a little high i think
Im slowly working on it
sullen dove
and that is you should have about half as many casts of raging blow as u do rampage, and another half of raging blow's casts worth of both bt and onslaught
in the neltharus i had about 600 rampages, 300 raging blows, and 140 bts and onslaughts
the same ratio shows true on me hitting those target dummies
not to say im playing like godmode and the perfect ratio or anything just I think it should be the general guideline
so idk u can compare your casts and see maybe what youre hitting too much and too little of
but like rampage should be the control cause rampage is #1 priority basically always
the moment u can hit it
compact flint
I dont wanna be top dps like Noxiv is i just want to know the rotation better is all or atleast get the feel of it.
sullen dove
yea
i mean my suggestion isnt something you can count in your head feasibly in the moment of playing its more of just a "look over after youre done"
just comparing number of casts between your major rotational abilities
and just aside from all of that try to make sure you have ww up every time the last stack falls off
in aoe
here's an example of a ww weakaura
im not sure if this is what I use
or whatever
but they all should be the same
and u just put it somewhere not too invasive but easy enough to see that when the stacks fall off you know to just hit ww again
compact flint
sullen dove
bt seems like it has some weird overlap of numbers
but yea stuff like that is fine
does it show ww stacks anywhere on it tho?
compact flint
sullen dove
ok yea
so just try to pay attention to that most of the time in aoe and just refresh as soon as it falls off
as first priority
compact flint
Alright so what the BT does it makes a ding sound when it reaches 96%+ and i usually hit it after it makes that indicator. Then i press rampage when i see it glow constantly.
sullen dove
if bt makes an actual ding and youre only hitting it when it dings
then assuming your wa isnt messed up should be fine
compact flint
Wish i could send videos but i have no nitro so cant really do that
sullen dove
i am a little curious as to why it looks like theres 2 overlapping numbers on it
like a second number behind the 31%
but i mean ideally it shouldnt mess up anyway
compact flint
like a second number behind the 31%
Because its made with season 3
sullen dove
the top number at least increases by 12% every time u hit rampage right
and another 20% for recklessness
compact flint
I think so i just know i cant reach 700k yet in AoE because gear and stuff.
sullen dove
i mean 518 isnt a bad item level
fading sky
Not bad at all
compact flint
Correct but isnt fury target capped?
sullen dove
aside from gameplay
fading sky
Roar is not
sullen dove
it is but like roar/ravager/legendary/certain trinkets will do more on more targets
fading sky
Ok but why?
sullen dove
did u bullion them? or u just got them
fading sky
Replace em with m+ trinketd
compact flint
Because i have no other trinket besides puzzlebox
sullen dove
cuz u def shouldntve bullioned both, one or the other is fine
u should use puzzlebox
in m+
if youre not already
sullen dove
anvil would be more convenient yeah
fading sky
Anvil is easier to keep up
compact flint
Take out Signet?
faint whale
Augury is also very good
fading sky
Ye i wouldda taken augery + puzzle
Even on sev raid bosses
Signet and anvil shines on. Raza - brood. Hmm fyrakk // sark
fading sky
Hm ye but
sullen dove
shouldnt be 100% on crit phial
maybe like 80-85 more reasonable
bsl uptime is fine enough tho i think most ppl do an average of like 60
fading sky
Id rather puzzle on nelt at 35%.as u end up holding a lot
For mythic raiding id set otnto 50
fading sky
In prog its prob aa bit lower
sullen dove
its just variable some bosses youll have 20% uptime others like 80
but if u do heroic raid/medium m+ only a lot likely for it to be higher
fading sky
What matters is bsl up when using cds is what matters😄🤣
faint whale
yell at ur healers to pocket heal u
fading sky
So use defensives early id say
compact flint
fading sky
yell at ur healers to pocket heal u
I actually did that🤣
faint whale
and ask pi as well
faint whale
I actually did that🤣
there ya go
fading sky
I had pi 1 night
fading sky
there ya go
It was smoldy when playing arms
compact flint
Telling me to get Ashkandur from droptimizer
fading sky
And augery?
faint whale
Telling me to get Ashkandur from droptimizer
if u could get ashkandi natty on mythic
go for augury
fading sky
If not take asskandur
compact flint
I dont have a mythic group to run mythic raids
sullen dove
i mean almost certain he didnt bullion anvil
that or he's currently wearing a puzzlebox or something
fading sky
Im askin coz he doenst have asskandy
sullen dove
ashkandur is a toughie cause while yeah most of the time its better than another trinket vs not having it its also the kind of thing where literally nobody but fury warrior wants it, so if one drops it just goes to you basically in any reasonable guild group
gl convincing ppl of that in a pug tho
compact flint
Legendary, Signet brand, And Seal of Diurna's Chosen is what i bought with the 6 bullions. (Signet brand was because droptimizer said so)
sullen dove
ig have you run heroic nelth yet this week?
yea thats fine
signet brand maybe a little premature considering unless youre doing mythic most heroic fights dont last long enough to make full value out of what the sim says
but its not the end of the world
and still a decent trink on short fights
fading sky
I mean this is why ppl should read archies words😁
compact flint
ig have you run heroic nelth yet this week?
IF youre talking to me yes i already full cleared heroic aberrus with arms spec
fading sky
He said sim 3m
faint whale
just give us 2 bullions per week
fading sky
Not 6
sullen dove
i dont think anyone sims 6
faint whale
that will solve everything
sullen dove
5 is the standard usually no
fading sky
Is it 5?
sullen dove
yea
regardless yea i mean i'd say if u wait till vault next week and get ashkandur then fantastic, but if you dont it'd kind of be up to you to choose between that and augury
do take note however there can be "close to augury equivalent" trinkets u could maybe get from m+
fading sky
Anyways i pulled a puzzle with speed😅
sullen dove
sullen dove
u also dont need to feel too broken up about what u pick one way or another cuz you'd just get the second one guaranteed two weeks after that
compact flint
Im hoping to get trampling hooves i heard good stuff about that from Nokhuud
sullen dove
yeah thats like the second best farmable dungeon trinket
pretty respectable damage still
fading sky
Puzzle + hoof is prob best bet in keys for ya
sullen dove
about same position as augury just does passive dmg
but if u had that augury would be way less of an upgrade
am curious tho what ilvl your offhand is
fading sky
Signet when fights are long with some good rng😄 is crrrraaqzy
sullen dove
cause while ashk is obviously the best offhand if u have like a random hero track upgraded to 522 its not like its insane
compact flint
am curious tho what ilvl your offhand is
fading sky
So ita never terrible
sullen dove
yea thats fine then so ashkandur is big upgrade
compact flint
The smasher feels like an arms weapon where it says crit and haste as its their stats im pretty sure
sullen dove
eh yea i mean generally fury would like mast but like stats on individual pieces aint worth fretting over
if u just sim like mastery/verse where u can in gems/enchants and stuff rest usually fine
sullen dove
i guess while we're here wanna send a ss of stat %'s? shouldnt really ever follow exact % values of other players but if something is like horrendously out of whack can take a look at it and give suggestions
compact flint
I sim haste/mastery unless the normal is suppose to be Mastery/vers
fading sky
2 much hast 2 little mastery
sullen dove
yea i mean haste/mast is ok
sullen dove
once u get high enough ilvl or just ahve it from other sources u start to have "enough haste" and verse goes up
its better this season than last i think but like verse is still big
fading sky
He was sittings at 18% haste
compact flint
Haste is pretty bad on fury
i just follow wowhead's guides 75% of the time on stats it said Strength > Haste > Mastery > Vers > Crit
sullen dove
yea... prolly shouldnt full focus on those too much, and im psure it would say mastery is the best stat
in that lineup
o i mean i did find what u linked
compact flint
sullen dove
but yea not sure i guess its just not updated for s4
but that is as u can see in regards to 440 ilvl
i think stats pages just arent updated as much cuz not many use them
though yea is just a little weird thats still there
sullen dove
yea i jus dont think that applies as much to s4 cause literally everything is diminishing at that point
so like u would follow a sim most of hte time
fading sky
Well tells that at bout 30% haste value drops a lot
But sim yo self with all gems and enchants ofc is always the way😁
sullen dove
but ye these are my fury stats, kind of cheating with double bsl, and i still am using a 489 neck from s3 cause it is fat mastery and i def need that over a 522 heavy crit neck
this isnt perfect cuz im not full focusing fury
but idk "generally" it might look something like this
less haste for more verse probably
compact flint
Raidbots keeps putting the default Mastery/Haste now after hitting refresh etc. Guess it makes sense
So it could be Mastery > Haste > Vers > Crit for season 4 fury.
sullen dove
at the very basest of levles yeah sure, again the higher and higher ilvl u go sims will shift around a lot
like u dont want to get 70% mastery and have 10% verse
compact flint
My vers is 19% right now
fading sky
So it could be Mastery > Haste > Vers > Crit for season 4 fury.
Mastery -haste ( until 30%)
sullen dove
yea thats not that bad, maybe try simming some mast/verse instead
it could pull ahead of haste at that point
fading sky
Id haste above 30 its last prio
sullen dove
i think 30% is like kind of an old number
with how much stats everyone has hitting 40 isnt that hard
i dont think
compact flint
My haste is 46% which i think is bad
sullen dove
i mean i might have too much for fury cuz arms player
fading sky
Well its season 2 number, we are in season 2 gear🤣
sullen dove
yea 46 def high, try simming some more verse
sullen dove
Well its season 2 number, we are in season 2 gear🤣
s2 gear but 80 ilvls higher than when in s2
so all of our %'s are waaay higher than in s2
fading sky
Doesnt change the reason as to why it dropped pf at 30%
Now when u hit lile 6k rating of versa // mastery it prob changes again
sullen dove
ye i got uh.. 6.7k mast 4.7k verse 6.5k haste and 4.2k crit
in fury gear
(which is changing 1 slot from arms and adding an ashkandur)
sullen dove
but yea simmin it def wants me to drop my haste gems for verse gems
mossy fox
Like at 518 i can barely do 350k aoe damage and then it drops to 260k and it nev...
no shot you should be doing those numbers in aoe at that ilvl, need to stop blaming your low dps on the tier set and learn to play it
(i mean this in the nicest way possible dont be offended)
sullen dove
s2 tier bad s3 tier good 
but yea spent like an hr solving most of the gameplay issues i think
compact flint
(i mean this in the nicest way possible dont be offended)
No worries I get what your saying. Im not easily offended
frosty scroll
s2 set is a joy to play, yall wylin
sullen dove
in keys real
frosty scroll
real and factual
sullen dove
i mean that like... doesnt matter rly
if anything it feels worse to have a cd on it in situations where youre like forced off a target or something and youd want to just spam ww for that ounce of extra dmg however miniscule it is
calling it easier just cuz of a ww cd prolly kinda eh, tho I think it def had less buttons in the immediate rotation than in s4, even if s4 is a joke too
faint whale
S3 was easier in aoe though
most ppl ran dancing blade anyway
even in fortified weeks
fading sky
Ye thats not why easier
rigid stirrup
S3 playstyle was fun af imo also big damage consistently coming out felt real nice
rigid stirrup
This discussion has been beat to death but I personally don't like the current ramping playstyle since the payoff isn't that great numbers wise
faint whale
idk after playing s1 and s2 build, not running AM felt bad
but again, i didnt participate in the vote for tier sets for s4
fading sky
I voted s3
fading sky
Buf i just play arms.
rigid stirrup
S3 was winning till like the last week of voting or something
faint whale
Buf i just play arms.
me 2
i was a fury main til s4
got my 4p on the first week of s4 and was trying out fury
and it turned out to be one of the worst dps in the game
and i switched to arms immediately
fading sky
S3 fury was nice in raid
faint whale
yea it also helped that amirdrassil was perfectly crafted to make fury op as fuc...
the cds were perfecto
fading sky
S4 is good btw
sullen dove
dont think its as much of a disparity between other raids whether u play s3/s4 tho i think s3 still better cd wise
faint whale
S4 is good btw
yeah after the buff, i started playing fury again
still playing arms mainly
sullen dove
but cant compare to odyns fury tindral
and smolderon slinging out 6 1.3mil bloodbaths in execute burn window
fading sky
In gen i loved of
sullen dove
u just dont see that kinda shit with this set
sullen dove
yea i mean its pretty indisputably way better in m+
than s3
like s3 actual 90s was better but outside of that not as crazy
just unfort not as good feels and dmg in raid
faint whale
like s3 actual 90s was better but outside of that not as crazy
it kinda felt like the beginning of s1 where ppl went odyn's fury and ravager
sullen dove
yea i mean early s1 was def crazy
ravager wasnt on AM
and onslaught was bad
ravager odyns were just the best capstones
faint whale
ravager wasnt on AM
but big crit on BT was good ngl
sullen dove
so u took it
fading sky
S02 set is legit in m+
But i mainly raid
Also i always loved arms s03 was just so good on fury😁
sullen dove
adding the 0 behind the number is wild..
faint whale
I never played arms s3
faint whale
adding the 0 behind the number is wild..
lol
wasnt s3 for arms about sudden death proc or something like that?
fading sky
Problem was rage spending
sullen dove
yea
fading sky
Actually like it as is. We can discuss the whole buff ms with.everything
But using ecexute as a filler and rage spender feels good
What if op did not buff ms, but ms ingen had that dmg as it always had 2 stacks
mystic hill
Hello lads, Ive checked pins and Im still not sure, so Ill ask you for your personal opinion, what 2nd Trinket should get I get if im running fury/arms only in pugs in the ~10 range? i got puzzlebox and fragment atm, debating betwenn nelths call, dreadplates and augury.
quiet geyser
Aug is an overall good trinket for justabout any content
hardy cargo
Hello lads, Ive checked pins and Im still not sure, so Ill ask you for your pers...
augury is best overal lfor both specs
blissful kestrel
#bring back bonegrinder
desert cloud
Gm furys
flat river
gm fury chat
Gm
Im in a revision lecture rn
And
Break rn
I underline this part in the sheet the guy passed out
I was supposed to write read
I wrote real
XD
wheat geyser
Remix: is putting armor gems a good idea with Armored to the Teeth if your other secondarys are all over 40%? because you get 10% mainstat from that talent
chrome plover
Remix: is putting armor gems a good idea with Armored to the Teeth if your other...
i dont know for sure but i would imagine it's nowhere near enough to compete with secondaries at any point
rigid stirrup
I mean you'll eventually reach 100 DR on your stats so you'll replace those sockets with armor or leech
And vers to obvs
chrome plover
that's at like 150% or something right
i know you can get like 20k secondaries on cloak but is that even close to full DR?
eternal sundial
i know you can get like 20k secondaries on cloak but is that even close to full ...
vile frog farmer
get rolled back
eternal sundial
heavy geyser
Some people just dodged the bullet. Others got slapped. I know of a guy who farmed 18 h of frogs and got nothing done to them
No clue what their criteria was
heavy geyser
nah not 100% true since some heart of fear only doers got hit
eternal sundial
i know many that didnt frog and got axed
modest condor
yeah and i know just as many that did frog that didnt get axed
heavy geyser
yeah its just all over the place. whatever detection they made just was not properly done
chrome plover
this guy said he just did the hof/troll boat farming and no frogs
balmy shore
this is a good one
i think mop remix is conceptually a very good idea but the bronze nonsense has made me very turned off from it all idk all my excitement just dissipated 😭 probably just going to only do mogs
left perch
I just didn’t find anyone to play on my schedule with
balmy shore
rip
left perch
so it’s fun but pug so unfun
balmy shore
whats your schedule maybe hop with my guildies
heavy geyser
Im sure layoffs made the already small team smaller so their QA was just horrendous which caused this whole mess
chrome plover
i think mop remix is conceptually a very good idea but the bronze nonsense has m...
i just log in and do the daily quests and a few campaign quests tbh
kinda dreading doing soo for tusks...