fury

[chrome plover]

I had 3 once but I never felt like the 3rd was necessary

compared to 2nd

it was just there with discord and some other things on

[tender cairn]

game on 1, some guide/resource on 2nd and youtube on 3rd

[hardy cargo]

its like having 2 pillows

[tender cairn]

[hardy cargo]

one pillow (2nd monitor) is needed and 2 pillows is nice yk

and with one monitor you are sleeping on the cold hard fkn floor

[chrome plover]

lil bro out here with no pillows and no mattress

[tender cairn]

smh

it is what it is

[hardy cargo]

I got my gamer chair is all the furniture I need

[tender cairn]

my gamer chair....

looks similar to this

[chrome plover]

im glad i spent money on my setup

fuck that

[tender cairn]

the thing is, its not like I cant spend on it

im just taht fucking lazy

[chrome plover]

just order a monitor and a cable and a comfy chair

and your parses will go up by 20

[tender cairn]

real

also need a table

u'd be horrified of what I use as one

[hardy cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/awkward-black-kid-gif-3535805

[tender cairn]

I will not elaborate

[chrome plover]

to be fair i used to raid in bed using the little nipple in the middle of the laptop keyboard instead of a mouse

so it surely cant be worse than that

[tender cairn]

lmao

[hardy cargo]

a guy I raid with to this day is a trackpad gamer

[tender cairn]

not using a mouse is one thing I dont understand

like damn

[hardy cargo]

he even bought and tried a mouse

[chrome plover]

nowhere to put it in bed wcyd

[tender cairn]

wdym

[chrome plover]

i played league on that too

[tender cairn]

I have very mousable pillows

[chrome plover]

they are hard

?

[tender cairn]

not sure how u call em

like the couch things

they're soft but hard enough to use a mouse on

kind of thing

[chrome plover]

hmm

[chrome plover]

what do we get next week

3rd craft?

no bullion item right

[faint whale]

Yeah that would be another week

[covert blaze]

think so yeah

[unreal onyx]

so I just got 70 in MoP, what now?

[faint whale]

Do goats

[unreal onyx]

do what

[faint whale]

SoO goat farms

[covert blaze]

go farm some gajeels

[faint whale]

And get ur ilvl max

[unreal onyx]

how does one get into a group for that

all the ones I apply to don't accept or deny

[chrome plover]

m+ pugging 2.0

[chrome plover]

ty

[chrome plover]

ty

[hardy cargo]

at lvl 70 I just did normal raids for gear and tmog

im not about tos pend 500k bronze to increase my ilvl to max

[unreal onyx]

I just wanna spend bronze for tmog and mounts

idc about power

I just want cosmetics

[hardy cargo]

can just do normal raid with the ward of salvation cheese then

itll net u up to 346ilvl gear and each boss is like 500-750 bronze

[upbeat sentinel]

500k may be an underestimate

[chrome plover]

it's 1.6m i think

idk if that's right, i saw a post about it somewhere

seems a little ridiculous

[upbeat sentinel]

How much bronze do M raids give?

Because that's the payoff

[chrome plover]

i think they got like 5k for mythic garrosh

i watched it and saw like 4 stacks of 1250

idk if every boss gives that

[upbeat sentinel]

for a singular kill thats not awful

but probably not every boss

[chrome plover]

i dont know anything really im level 30

[upbeat sentinel]

H SoO gives 30k total

so M should give at least 60 or smth

[unreal onyx]

so just use ward on pull

on assigned person

[chrome plover]

ye

[flat river]

LETS GOOOOO

[true sapphire]

Hell yeah.

[flat river]

how much flightstones would a normal raid give

[novel pawn]

is there any guide for remix besides the wowhead one?

and what the prio rotation? im at 45 rn

raging blow, bloodthirst, execute off cooldown? is rampage even worth to use?

[chrome plover]

idk i wanna say like 50

per boss

[chrome plover]

yes rampage is worth using to maintain enrage

[novel pawn]

alright

[flat river]

so 50x8

[chrome plover]

maybe that's wrong, i think you getm ore for higher difficulties too but yes

[keen kindle]

Why wouldn't you use ramapge?

[unreal onyx]

damn I didn't even get fully cucked out of good logs this time before locking in

[gilded pawn]

how the healing parse lookin

[unreal onyx]

down bad

[gilded pawn]

L

[frozen latch]

Guys, I need support, maybe we can make our voices heard.
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/fury-class-problem/513742

[radiant plank]

open post

close post

[novel pawn]

not listed here, also not max level so i was hoping for another spender

[flat river]

why doesnt recklessness and avatar reset after boss reset >:(

[novel pawn]

but i changed my keybind and is less taxing on my hands

[unreal onyx]

Choosing that tier set wasn’t any kind of mistake… Seems like u think only about power level of tier not how it feels like or how it plays like … S2 set is way better and complex than s3 even when someone argue that S2 is raging blow spam that only half truth… But that s3 is completely gutted and dum that cuts out more spells from usage that’s completely true… And s2 is way logical then S3 where your spender actualy does DMG not your filler liker s3 does… So only relevant complains are about spec tunning cause fury itself is not strong so they should definitely push more power to spender.

[novel pawn]

ah, the old curse of not reading shit

just saw now the Enrage using Rampage

[gilded pawn]

it says right there

"enrage using rampage"

[novel pawn]

the only excuse i have is that i also play tcg

[frozen latch]

I answered this in the last comment, I don't care which set anymore. I just need more dps(BUFF). At the same time, I'm tired of playing a class that is not accepted by the community. Why doesn't the community accept it? low dps, it's that simple

[unreal onyx]

are you talking about raid ST or m+?

[frozen latch]

m+

[mossy fox]

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fxheg1koj491d1.png

bro

nobodys playing the game unless youre those classes

[gilded pawn]

i was just about to link that

thats exactly what im saying

[mossy fox]

at least we appear on the 18

[unreal onyx]

that's not a fury issue

[gilded pawn]

exactly

[unreal onyx]

that's a "literally every class except meta" issue

[gilded pawn]

you arent being invited because you are fury

you arent being invited because theres 100 dps applying

and half of them are meta

@mossy fox is the graph actually right on the top end

[unreal onyx]

it's kinda funny how even the lowest keys tend to be dominated by meta classes

[gilded pawn]

is god comp back

[unreal onyx]

although you can time them with 5 healers even

[mossy fox]

yes except this was made before my team timed a 20

[gilded pawn]

blip on the radar

[mossy fox]

so maybe youd see a pink and brown pixel on the 20

[chilly fractal]

Slacker

[mossy fox]

also fire doesnt even do that much dps and still is in the god comp (for good reasons ofc)

[barren dagger]

reality is people care about io more than anything

[gilded pawn]

no

his class is getting discriminated

you dont get it

[unreal onyx]

all I care about when setting up my key is io and if I have bl/br

[barren dagger]

exactly

[subtle lagoon]

I'm glad this is going to be my last season

[unreal onyx]

although surprisingly I got invited to a lot of keys where I was the last DPS and we didn't have BL

so we just used drums

like my 12 nelth 3 days ago

[barren dagger]

drums is better if you have a good group

than a scuffed BL

trust

[clever belfry]

NOOO MY S3 SET WOULEDVE FIXEDD!!!!!!!

[barren dagger]

at the key level anyways its about surviving more than dmge

[unreal onyx]

idk if I would call that "good comp"

[barren dagger]

looks shit tbh

[warm crag]

"Even my own community has turned its back." is a crazy self report

[unreal onyx]

full melee gang

still timed it with 3:40 left

[chilly fractal]

If the dungeon gets cleared it’s a good enough comp

[unreal onyx]

I think I'll craft a belt next week

for flavour pocket

or neck maybe

[barren dagger]

im doing neck i think

[unreal onyx]

both are kinda mid on my char rn

[barren dagger]

prolly you do better with bellt

is it champion belt?

[unreal onyx]

hc

[barren dagger]

yeah both those gonna be minimal

[dense elbow]

Dang, ya getting decked out, Lol

[barren dagger]

but better than nothing

i need flavour pocket

on god

[unreal onyx]

next buy will be brood ring if I don't get it in vault

[dense elbow]

^

[unreal onyx]

if I get it in vault, ashk it is

rip my flightstones then

[dense elbow]

I am going Ashk anyways, will get me a neat +7k - gotta love that sword

[unreal onyx]

at least I still got some items I can look forward in my vault

cloak, chest, ashk, ring

[dense elbow]

Vault = rings, 2handers, and capes

trust

[barren dagger]

trust new quest for bullions tomorrow

[unreal onyx]

just make crests uncapped now

[barren dagger]

otherwise we cant buy anything

[unreal onyx]

no one is playing retail anyway rn

[dense elbow]

Raid got cancled sunday, cause Pandaland

[barren dagger]

no way

[unreal onyx]

raid got cancelled today

[barren dagger]

thats cringe

[unreal onyx]

at least I got 6M kills

[barren dagger]

F

[unreal onyx]

full m+10 and full Myth raid vault

[manic cradle]

fuck yeah pandas

[unreal onyx]

surely I get smthn I can use

[dense elbow]

Rings, necks and 2handers

I curse you~~~~

[unreal onyx]

I got 4 hero track weapons in m+ so far

[frank wolf]

6 waists

[unreal onyx]

and all felt bad bc I won't use em anyway

[unreal onyx]

I wouldn't even mind one, I only got hero track on

rn the biggest upgrade in straight ilvl would be chest for me

only 515 rn

[tender cairn]

is there smth in AV that makes warrs especially undesirable

🤔

[gilded pawn]

yeah being a dps

[tender cairn]

[unreal onyx]

Fuck AV

[tender cairn]

its just I've been able to get into +7 of every other dungeon relatively fast, but AV hasn't had a single invite in weeks

so wonder if there's actually smth

[hasty path]

If anything warriors are good in AV

[unreal onyx]

Running sim dungeon

[frank dawn]

well every caster and their mother queuing for it to get the trinket

[subtle lagoon]

There's nothing, literally the easiest dungeon ever

[frank dawn]

so prob just more competition

[hasty path]

Consistent medium sized pulls, value in stuns

[unreal onyx]

A lot to reflect in AV

[tender cairn]

hmm

ig yeah

makes sense

just want an off hand 💀

[hasty path]

It got gutted

Tbh

They removed a ton of the reflect cheese

[frank dawn]

I bought Ashkandi early, still haven't looted a weapon above veteran track this season lol lmao

[tender cairn]

fun detected

[hasty path]

Yeah it’s almost all deflects now

Very little to actually reflect

[tender cairn]

got a hero one hander for tank at least

[barren dagger]

AV is swirliem nightmare

[tender cairn]

[barren dagger]

its horrible for short arm melee

like us

[tender cairn]

we need longer hands man

[hasty path]

Not really

The swirlies in AV are perfectly manageable on warrior

They’re rarely fully covering melee

[tender cairn]

also that

[hasty path]

And you can stun the casts

[tender cairn]

I feel like its more annoying on casters

[hasty path]

But you guys probably all just take the Dps throughout and complain about lack of utility

[tender cairn]

I never take off sw and sb tbf

[hasty path]

But do you press them

[tender cairn]

of course

almost on cd

may even press them too much

cuz sometimes I feel I need to get inti too

cuz all on cd

[hasty path]

Idk

I hit 2 casts of piercing shards per pull

Call it good

[tender cairn]

whats that

[hasty path]

The frontal from crystal dudes

That turbo fucks tanks

[tender cairn]

on lmao

[frank wolf]

I like AV

I mean its just dodging all the shit that spawns

But i rarely get stunned

[tender cairn]

I mean I dont dislike it either

dont think

just want to run as dps once to see the pathing and prolly just gon apply as tank after

but can't heckin get in

[buoyant salmon]

they are pretty chill until you get to like 4 stacks

i lived like 7 stacks yesterday with bsv treemouth and a rets sac

health was pingponginf

[tender cairn]

cosplaying dk?

[blissful kestrel]

I had 9 stacks once and my healer went god mode and kept me up for a solid while

[hasty path]

Forgive me lord but I must go all out, just this once

[gilded pawn]

the way he specifically worded it maybe

but its not a obscure meme

just look up "forgive me i must go all out "

[chrome plover]

they serve the same purpose

in context

media literacy = 0

[hasty path]

I’ve seen both

[tender cairn]

does raider io app auto upload logs to wow logs?

if we got any knowers

[final zenith]

its magic

as in

idk :P

[tender cairn]

[final zenith]

no bonks D:

[tender cairn]

im worrior

its JUST bonks

[final zenith]

zug

[tender cairn]

dabu

[left perch]

Carlo what the heck

[warm crag]

carlo woke

[compact siren]

carlo woke

[unreal onyx]

woke carlo

very needed

[young swan]

log on mop remix

[unreal onyx]

killed garrosh for the bone already

nothing else to do

just gimme the skewer stick mog

[young swan]

level another dude

[gilded pawn]

xan wont play with me

so messed up

[unreal onyx]

levelling in mop was giga-boring imo

also the game is fucked already bc of exploits

[young swan]

frogging

[unreal onyx]

not even just frogs

coinduit memes also

[young swan]

game mode is peak

feels like im playing d3 but worlie warcraft

[unreal onyx]

ward of salvation

very balanced

[hardy cargo]

Having a level 10 dude with an extra 150 main stat and 40% vers is fun in dungeons lol

Pull the whole place onto the boss and solo it

While your party cries

[upbeat sentinel]

He drops even more if you kill him on H

🙂

[unreal onyx]

I am too noober to do hc

[upbeat sentinel]

Dakar a farm

[unreal onyx]

also I doubt anyone would take a barely lvl 70 geared fury

[upbeat sentinel]

Dalaran farm*

[unreal onyx]

i have literally 0 clue what any of these farms are

or how to do them

[sour tundra]

There was a warlock streaming himself doing like 30 million DPS in remix. These frog farmers are insane

[mental rune]

I don't think any of the farms are really worth it atm, better to just blast normal raids and wait for more hotfixes

[sour tundra]

You can blast heroic raids and completely ignore normal tho from the farms

What was meant to take a couple of months have been completed in a couple of days due to these farms

[mental rune]

Oh, I mean frog farm was 100% worth it, I meant the current ones.

[unreal onyx]

what is the dalaran farm

I also saw a "goat farm"

[mental rune]

Especially when there's a good chance blizz either nerfs upgrade costs or lets higher ilvl gear drop

Goat farm is the goats in VotFW, Dal farm needs to be in a specific scenario that I think might be alliance only

[hardy cargo]

@chrome plover I passed my test

[dense elbow]

On behalf of everyone on Skyhold, we are proud of ya

[silver mantle]

Big

[hardy cargo]

ty

[south kayak]

are gear upgrades still expensive

[hardy cargo]

ya very

[south kayak]

wake me up when that's nerfed

[balmy shore]

mop remix rules it’s just the upgrading system is horrible even just mathing out it’s insane to get max upgrades, not even including cosmetic items you might want to purchase it’s like you have to choose to push content or buy cosmetics and that feels hella bad

oh they just posted ehe

https://x.com/warcraft/status/1792636974982955457?s=46&t=9UmZVK6Wb--RGJ_Ea9w0Pg

World of Warcraft (@Warcraft) on X

Timerunners, We hear you!

The team is currently focused on making level 70 gameplay more rewarding.

More details to come soon.

#WoWRemix

Twitter · May 20, 2024, 7:22 PM

[mental rune]

I mean, it's expected because the way it is now is a mess

[young swan]

500k bronze to max out 1 guy

[hardy cargo]

~500k for max ilvl

[young swan]

very normal

[dense elbow]

500k could be a lot or very little, in context is 500k big or smoll?

[hardy cargo]

very big

[young swan]

its a lot

[hardy cargo]

1 normal boss gives like 500-750 bronze

[oblique trail]

Before you account for cosmetics, 500k is a lot yes

[hardy cargo]

every cosmetic is ~1.7m

[young swan]

u prob get like 50k from full clearing every raid on norm

[hardy cargo]

but its every cosmetic, even armor specific types

[young swan]

so would be 10 days of full clearing

[hardy cargo]

and shit u can farm in retail that you wont buy

[dense elbow]

50k from a full clear, you need 1.7mill for a single cosmetic?

[hardy cargo]

no for

ALL cosmetics

500k to get your gear to max ilvl

[dense elbow]

that is still a lot of runs, but at least not as horrible

[hardy cargo]

full clearing 5 raids every day is a lot of time lmfao

[oblique trail]

Full clearing all 5 raids every day can get very boring real quick

[young swan]

^

also thats insanely time consuming

[hardy cargo]

especially when one has 14 fuckin bosses lol

[young swan]

tot 12 bosses

soo 14

yeah

[hardy cargo]

at least u can ward cheese most of the bosses

[dense elbow]

90 days, you need 1.7mill, 50k a run, you need 40ish runs in total

sounds doable

[unreal onyx]

good design

choose wisely: good gear vs cosmetics

[young swan]

u get 50k per 5 raids

not the same

[hardy cargo]

yeah just sit in lfg pugging normal raids for 50% of your itme for 40 days

all 5 award the 50k, not just 1

[young swan]

and most of that is backloaded into tot and soo

[hardy cargo]

btw

[dense elbow]

ya lads making pandaland sound worse and worse

[oblique trail]

Gameplay is fun and all

But only when you actually have gear and a leveled cloak

[unreal onyx]

gameplay is kinda boring bc of all the cheeses with conduits

imo

[hardy cargo]

it really just boils down to the price tag of things is too high, but its very fun to play

[oblique trail]

This gameplay however gets boring when you see people do millions of DPS and clear bosses in seconds

Which in turn just makes it feel like transmog runs with extra steps to me, which fair enough for those who enjoy that

[hardy cargo]

it also sucks seeing people have more stats on their cloak than you have on your entire character KEKW

[unreal onyx]

ward of salvation was clearly designed to work like it does rn

have 10 people give it to a tank and bossfight is over

[left perch]

Banezi you aren’t advocating that folks stop this unfun time running and get back to super fun meanginful s4 retail content in preparation for tww?

[bitter palm]

yes he is

[oblique trail]

I'm advocating play what you want to play

[bitter palm]

problem? (ive never played timerunning and i quit s4 2 weeks in)

[oblique trail]

(But actually play what you want to play)

[young swan]

no no no

u play the way i want u to

and u have fun the way i want u to

[bitter palm]

no

[oblique trail]

[warm crag]

xantage toxic again since being blue..

commands the yellow men around ..

[bitter palm]

we play the way bazed wants us to play

[sullen basin]

how much does it cost to only buy remix exclusive cosmetics because im seeing a LOT of expensive shit you can just go farm in current game

[bitter palm]

bazed owns skyhold

chatting

[dense elbow]

Bazed and true take

[young swan]

why farm for a mount when I can clear some raids and just buy it

[oblique trail]

The ensembles/collections are 3 or 4k each per class, and iirc there's one of each for every class

[sullen basin]

did you get all the remix-only mounts?

[young swan]

cant remember

i got the piss serpent

[sullen basin]

check

[left perch]

flexing valkyr status sheeeesh

[oblique trail]

it is fucked!!

[gilded pawn]

logging onto league of legends

[sullen basin]

i got golden discus

[oblique trail]

enjoy cbt

[young swan]

im gonna be buying everything

[bitter palm]

[hardy cargo]

tmogs too or just mounts

[south kayak]

same

[sullen basin]

says its only from that

[young swan]

not parking 5 alts outside of msv to farm elegon

[sullen basin]

first thing i bought with my tokens was 1 mount

rest has been spent on random gems

[young swan]

thats infinitely more effort

[south kayak]

discuss this

[sullen basin]

everything remix-exclusive

mogs, mounts, p2w character skins etc

[sullen basin]

funny you should say that im standing right next to one

[south kayak]

How do you get that one?

[sullen basin]

no idea

maybe its that

the level 20 mount was cool as fuck

[south kayak]

with someone?

[sullen basin]

a timerunner = a tw character

[south kayak]

oh nvm

[sullen basin]

its soloable

anyway that mount is lit as fuck

the original ones are buttugly

[hasty path]

It is

It’s so fuckin good

[sullen basin]

i aint even mad its a recolour its the best colour they have of it

[hardy cargo]

somewhere around like 150k for the world apparel, and mounts from my math but I could be very wrong since I dont have it all in front of my in a spreadsheet atm @sullen basin

[sullen basin]

i just saw the other 4 and all i gotta say is 🤮

[sullen basin]

not too bad, ive probably spent about 30k at least on gems

not even 70 yet

smf chillin

hhhhh

[hardy cargo]

yeah a lot of the cost is from raid sets, and the existing mounts

[sullen basin]

shit i dont care about basically

because i can get it later as long as wow 2 doesnt kill wow 1

[cyan star]

?

Sod and Retail are both live and well

[sullen basin]

last titan will be end of wow 1 and next saga will be launched on wow 2 deep dive VR 🙏🏻

just gonna get plugged in and die in real life when i die in the game

[cyan star]

Wow 2 would kill itself

That’d be so bad lol

[sullen basin]

you know how d2r has a ticky box for shit ugly look and new look

wow 2 can have that so losers can keep their collection on the ugly version

[hardy cargo]

oh I guess you could also count the garrosh heirlooms which are 88k

[sullen basin]

yeah those arent obtainable

i got pig sticker in 2014 and that was it

maybe earlier

[hardy cargo]

so 230k for everything unobtainable in retail, and there could be more but I dont know about the toy vendor, and what is available in retail from him

[sullen basin]

pray for me this shit sucks

[cyan star]

All the dungeon scaling was fixed and heroics are W fest

[sullen basin]

is this like a level 68 reward

[south kayak]

I got that at 70

so no

[sullen basin]

nvm

[cyan star]

Achievement for 4200 threads

[south kayak]

heroic dungeons are not really fixed

'm getting one shot by random stuff

[cyan star]

Don’t get hit by stuff 😦

[hardy cargo]

owned

[south kayak]

a random fireball that no one interrupted?

[cyan star]

Interrupt it

[south kayak]

that doesn't sound fun

[cyan star]

[south kayak]

Yeah, still not a good thing

[cyan star]

They were a cake walk easier last night compared to day 1

[south kayak]

yeah but you have insane cloak levels lmao

[cyan star]

Not even the power level difference

Idk, they’ve felt pretty fine as of late. I guess I just had good luck maybe idk

[sullen basin]

mogushan fun

[south kayak]

very

[misty drift]

Spell reflect sfx make my brain go happy, I wish less people would interrupt

[sullen basin]

hm 4 mobs who can randomly decide to bladestorm instantly and chunk me for 70% that i cant avoid pulling this will be a normal easy fight

[south kayak]

They did nerf this

[sullen basin]

I had this experience today

[south kayak]

but it's still not ideal for people who just dinged to do heroic dungeons

[sullen basin]

I went in at 66

top dps btw

[dense elbow]

When you hear the sound go off, but the cast you wanted to reflect is still going at 0.1 sec

[edgy widget]

Mogushan is a bit overtuned, the rest are pretty easy

[south kayak]

got one tapped by some mob casting fireball in monastery

[sullen basin]

how much do you get for dismantling dogshit gems e.g. armor +stam

[hasty path]

Wdym that’s so much EHP

[sullen basin]

no way armor is that good

[edgy widget]

the stam can be

[sullen basin]

even if it is, change it to speed or leech

i got alternatives

[edgy widget]

if you have enough alternatives then what are you asking us for? just go dismantle it

[sullen basin]

because maybe ill want it later, who knows?

if someone else has already done it why not ask

not like i need the bag space, not in a rush
just wanna know

[edgy widget]

seems you've already decided it's not that good! go dismantle it!

[sullen basin]

Sorry I forgot that I claimed to be some kind of expert who's never wrong about things

[edgy widget]

armor is also a small amount of extra damage for Warriors

[sullen basin]

yeah, true, 10% of armor into str right

[young swan]

250 bronze for lego gems

[sullen basin]

that sucks im definitely keeping them until i got spares

21 of each should be enough to start vendoring them

+++ armor right now gives me 41 str which is currently just under 1%, we go nuts for that kinda increase on retail so

probably better than leech

[misty drift]

How does itemization work in remix, if the cloak scales (forever?) will we just scale up until people are 1 tapping Garrosh?

[south kayak]

yes

[edgy widget]

theoretically perhaps, but we don't actually know

it might cap out somewhere

[sullen basin]

probably yes and thats why froggy got nerfed (so it takes more than a week to happen)

[edgy widget]

that said, yeah - the people who abused frog farm the most are about the only ones capable of doing heroic right now, and they're more or less hard carrying the raids

[sullen basin]

I went all around the island and didnt see a single frog are they in some kinda obscure spot

[edgy widget]

as in 8 people dead and 2 giga frog abusers duoing the fight

[sullen basin]

the raids are tuned that poorly?

[young swan]

they dropped the charms

[sullen basin]

drops

[edgy widget]

I wouldn't say the raids are tuned poorly so much as the upgrade/scaling progression paradigm is

[south kayak]

hyper and they also dropped charms

[sullen basin]

any of you know the highest drop item level

[edgy widget]

346 at L70; everything past that is from upgrading

[young swan]

turn in for rep gives a bronze box + gem

[sullen basin]

ouch

[young swan]

basically double dipping on threads + triple dipping on bronze and gems

[edgy widget]

they don't anymore

[sullen basin]

So I only got 2 more free levels then after that it's super expensive just to have gear

[edgy widget]

because everything on the isle does

that's how the timeless isle works

[young swan]

people are doing goats too but nothing holds a candle to frogs

[south kayak]

don't hold candles to frogs

remove all threads from people abusing frogs

[hasty path]

GOATed

[south kayak]

thanks

[sullen basin]

where were people turning in charms because i just got ripped off clearly

[south kayak]

no clue

is wow lagging for anyone else?

high ms

[sullen basin]

not rn

[south kayak]

[hardy cargo]

You didn’t get ripped off, gem+box with bronze and epic thread was the turn in

They just turned in a LOT of them

[sullen basin]

oh okay

nice

[upbeat sentinel]

Why punish people for using something that was noted repeatedly in PTR

[edgy widget]

I don't think it was; the big PTR thing was chain queueing LFR

very few people on PTR even got to 70

its not a new farm, and probably should have been foreseen though

[upbeat sentinel]

Many of the comments on the article on WoWhead are people noting they personally reported it

Are some of them lying? Probably but not all lmao

[edgy widget]

As someone who has spent a considerable amount of time curating Wowhead comments, I would not be inclined to believe them

also I don't really see any comments on the WH article saying they personally reported it 🤔 not sure where you're looking

[upbeat sentinel]

But either way I don’t view it as an exploit that they need to go after anyone for

Lemme find

[edgy widget]

it's absolutely exploitative

it's a major power advatange within a brand new event/game mode that people had to go out of their way to do - it's almost the definition of exploitative

[modest condor]

no way you'll realistically get your cloak that far unless you're living in remix

even with unnerfed frog farm it would probably take multiple weeks to get that strong

[tawny oak]

hey guys, which build are you meant to use if you don't have any tier? the wowhead builds have s3/4, but neither mention if they function the same without the bonuses, this is for remix, but also applies to retail as well, there isn't any explanation that would help a fresh 70 get started (which is why i avoided it at the start of s4)

[final zenith]

check the "leveling" section of the guide

[edgy widget]

Idk how many of them got that far, but there are a few giga frog abusers who are basically duoing heroic raids

[final zenith]

wild

[edgy widget]

they're about the only ones capable of completing them atm too

obviously not just cloak threads though, upgrades are a big part of that as well

[tawny oak]

does this apply to m+/raids though? my assumption is leveling builds take talents that help with killing non-isue quest mobs quickly, and not actual pull to pull builds

[final zenith]

probably wont be 100% optimized but youll get tier before u know it

[upbeat sentinel]

Yeah it’s not worth super optimizing pre-tier

[tawny oak]

i wont though, this is a remix toon

which is also only has a leveling build

[final zenith]

oh then just do whatever

do what feels good nobody looking at mop remix parses

right?

RIGHT?

[tawny oak]

i still want to actually play it properly

[upbeat sentinel]

Instead of ilvl parse it’s thread count parse

[final zenith]

alot to unpack here

[upbeat sentinel]

Your build would change based on what tinkers you’re using and things of that nature so hard to say

The end game is you’re gonna be sitting at 60%+ on both haste and crit before you know it and nothing will matter

[edgy widget]

• M+ doesn't exist in Remix
• There are ST/raid builds listed, but raids are mostly roflstomp fests (outside of heroics, which is mostly a matter of just not being able to upgrade enough to meet the stat requirements)

[upbeat sentinel]

Mythic raid is just “bring as many demonhunters as you can”

No warrior build is getting you in the door until we’re insanely statted out

[edgy widget]

I... don't think that's true

[tawny oak]

do those raid builds work without tier?

[edgy widget]

but I also don't think anyone who isn't a giga frog abuser has cleared M raid yet either, heroics are still out of reach for 99% of the playerbase

[upbeat sentinel]

Echo did M SoO

[edgy widget]

ok so that 1%

[upbeat sentinel]

They brought like 8 demon hunters

[barren dagger]

echo has cleared M garrosh yesterday

[edgy widget]

as I said, it's a lot more about upgrades than class/rotation/build

[barren dagger]

but they farmed frogs like crazy

[edgy widget]

exactly

[upbeat sentinel]

We had one in our H clear earlier and it was doing 1.5m when similarly boosted froggers were doing 600k

So it’s a bit hard to compete

[final birch]

pretty sure that's not true

[edgy widget]

I think you're going to have a real hard time comparing classes this early, especially with the disparity of upgrades

regardless, Remix content is jokes at the relevant upgrade level

the problem is just whether or not you can get to that upgrade level

[final birch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFQUUa1xAIQ&t=514s&ab_channel=Hopeful

[unreal onyx]

reset everyone that did frogs acc's to before they killed the first frog

[misty drift]

Us regular joes still have 3 months to figure it out I guess

[unreal onyx]

ez solution

[upbeat sentinel]

It’ll be “hard to compare” until there are builds that take into account the juiced as fuck stats (horn of winter and ERW lose a lot of use on DK for example if you’re rocking 60% haste 60% crit and never run out of resources)

[edgy widget]

So many DH 🤔

[final birch]

8

66% of the raid is clearly purple

[upbeat sentinel]

Dam I got told wrong

I HAVE BEEN EXPOSED

[unreal onyx]

mop remix is a overall joke imo

broken op farms and overpowered gem stacks

[edgy widget]

So you were just repeating shit without any actual idea of whether it was true or not?
not only, you were embellishing further by saying stuff like "nobody will take you if you're not a DH"

[unreal onyx]

with stuff that is almost literally impossible to buy everything

[upbeat sentinel]

I assumed it true because I’d watched multiple DHs bodybag everyone else

[edgy widget]

sure

[barren dagger]

this is what people do all day on the internet no?

[edgy widget]

seems like it

anyway, getting back to the point @tawny oak all the Remix specific guide pages are written without the inclusion of tier

That said, you can do basically anything in remix and be successful - it's hard to measure actual build effectiveness since there's no sim, no logs, and a wild amount of disparity between upgrades

in short, I'd recommend spending less time overanalyzing it and more time just playing the game

[sullen basin]

smf isnt a dps loss in remix i love it

we did it reddit

[unreal onyx]

I kinda feel bad using RA with OF/rav

[sullen basin]

well, probably not a dps loss
TG is still free and 10% of the offhand's strength is still a lot

[unreal onyx]

feels wrong coming from regular retial

[sullen basin]

im just doing this

[unreal onyx]

i just copied wowhead dungeon build

[tawny oak]

which one

[young swan]

unironically they should just revert it and let people degen farm frogs

its a 4fun gamemode

[unreal onyx]

this tbh

I just want my mogs

and that's literally it

[left perch]

Yea for real

[sullen basin]

buff everything else

that would be much better

[sullen basin]

how are you gonna farm frogs when every layer has 2x4s tag stealing

[sullen basin]

no smf 💤

[unreal onyx]

just gimme bronze to buy mounts and sets

[young swan]

find a dead shard on a dead realm

ez

[unreal onyx]

my realm was empty every time I was there

[sullen basin]

so play on my realm got it

[unreal onyx]

timess isle in general feels OP to farm

the mobs up top too

[upbeat sentinel]

I will live there and make an Oceanic account to get into dead server shards

[tawny oak]

dope, and what would you drop on the left side for shockwave or stormbolt

[sullen basin]

i dont think my realm has any CE guilds (source: didnt look it up)

[unreal onyx]

my realm has 1

and that's us

[sullen basin]

probably those? idk

[unreal onyx]

I think the 2nd best guild on my realm was like 6/9 in amir

[tawny oak]

thanks

[edgy widget]

honestly Annihilator works pretty well in Remix, especially with the giga haste tinker (windsomething)

yeah, that shit stacks and procs group wide

so 5 people running it you basically have 150%+ haste like 70% of the time

[sullen basin]

everything in one its nuts

giga haste, 5% movement AND fall immunity

[unreal onyx]

I just went 1:1 with the wowhead guide

but I think I'll just change it to whatever feels the best to me

[upbeat sentinel]

Bulwark on tank meta 🙏

[unreal onyx]

doesn't matter at all anyway

[edgy widget]

I'll update it sometime this week with new findings, the guide was based on what little time we had with the weekend testing and a lot has changed since then

[sullen basin]

every single normal pug ive seen in group finder wants you to have this on

[unreal onyx]

also I'll never be top dps anywhere anyway bc of froggers

[edgy widget]

but honestly you really can just do whatever and win in remix, at least until you hit the upgrade wall

[edgy widget]

yeah cause it's busted

[unreal onyx]

you ward the tank on pull

and boss is dead

[sullen basin]

i didnt always get a lotta value out of it using it in normal vault

[unreal onyx]

literally

[cyan star]

Basically stack million absorbs on everyone

[sullen basin]

2 tanks and they actually swap so it was a pain

[silent burrow]

ope

that name lol

[sullen basin]

its free if you put it on a DK right

[upbeat sentinel]

It’s pretty fucking strong if all 10 people put it on the tank and then the healers bust CDs hard

[unreal onyx]

stack on dk = kill

[sullen basin]

dk tank with ward on em big deeps

[unreal onyx]

we set up 2 groups on nm garrosh today

[sullen basin]

imagine ward counted as their damage

[unreal onyx]

to insta enter p2

[upbeat sentinel]

It should prob be nerfed to only allow YOUR healing to count for the ward not all

But who xares

[sullen basin]

it should be buffed to do more damage

[upbeat sentinel]

I’m down

[sullen basin]

blizzard nerfing anything fun is so annoying

its a fun mode for 3 months just buff it all

[upbeat sentinel]

How fun is a meta gem that’s become mandatory in PuGs tho

[sullen basin]

oh no people actually managed to collect all the stuff we are selling them we need to nerf it before the more casual players get wind of it being possible

idk im sure theres a pug out there that doesnt care

also i have it so /shrug

[upbeat sentinel]

Ya any level 70 HAS it

[sullen basin]

i dont mind dropping funeral pyre/oblivion sphere and picking it up

[unreal onyx]

ya'll don't have every gem yet?

I feel like I had them all at like lvl 55

[sullen basin]

i got every tinker

and probably every cog

idk about metas

is this all of them

+sprint on shoes

[dapper goblet]

1 hour

[sullen basin]

i know for a fact i have all tinkers because i used the vendor

[upbeat sentinel]

You prob have all the metas

[sullen basin]

yeah i got em

[upbeat sentinel]

now dump 200k into the prismatics!!!!

[sullen basin]

ive spent like

20-40?

[upbeat sentinel]

thousand? on gems?

[clever belfry]

no way u spend on gems

[sullen basin]

yes
please let me open all my shit and not one at a time please please please give me a fucking extract all button

[clever belfry]

u just ask a fogger u know for a handout my guy

[upbeat sentinel]

I mean 20-40k will end up being nothing

[clever belfry]

get narcissus

[upbeat sentinel]

but thats uh

[clever belfry]

right meow

[upbeat sentinel]

a wild amount right now

[sullen basin]

without gems i have 0 stats

feels so bad

i dont have enough good gems to go in every slot either i gotta use like leech/armor to fill

[upbeat sentinel]

thatll be true at max too

Having a legendary gem of like

Leech

[clever belfry]

itll fix itself

[upbeat sentinel]

is probably better than an epic of haste

[clever belfry]

really not that important

[sullen basin]

health that good?

[upbeat sentinel]

but eventually you'll just have enough of all of them

yes

it gives a FUCKTON of health

if put on chest/legs especially

[sullen basin]

doubled it almost

[upbeat sentinel]

if you have any kind of % based heal thatll make you nuts

[sullen basin]

bloodthirst moment

[upbeat sentinel]

ya if you get up to like 2m hp

bloodthirst is gonna be bonkers

[sullen basin]

hehehehe

[clever belfry]

das a lotta hp for lv69

[upbeat sentinel]

ya 477k for a 69 is crazy too

[sullen basin]

i got just enough oranges for 12 slots

[upbeat sentinel]

I wish rings/trinks/neck scaled up

[sullen basin]

better than not having them ig

[upbeat sentinel]

ya

[clever belfry]

Make sure u get that 2nd ring

think ure chilling then

[upbeat sentinel]

we have 6 ilvl locked slots tho

which sucks

[sullen basin]

my capes alright nothing special yet

aint 2nd ring reward for level 70 if not heroic all?

[clever belfry]

2nd trinkey is lv70

[sullen basin]

heroics...

[upbeat sentinel]

All Heroics

[barren dagger]

bova what is wrong with your screenshots

[sullen basin]

the worst one out of the way

[upbeat sentinel]

You can do it at low level

[sullen basin]

low res tv as a monitor

[barren dagger]

bless your souul

[slim pollen]

Only farmed frogs for like 1-2 hours tops to get coins for rep for achievements. Gotten like 3k stam from just playing the game after they nerfed frogs 😛

[clever belfry]

just specific queue them

[clever belfry]

random dungeons r ass

[sullen basin]

real

[clever belfry]

E W

[barren dagger]

lmao

i dont even know that resolution

format

[sullen basin]

some random panasonic we found on the street

i have a higher res monitor but its not set up so fuck it

[clever belfry]

m fucking 13" laptop has than 4x (twice in every dir) that 💀

[sullen basin]

this things bigger

clarity of screenshots is less important than not needing to use my glasses while playing because my screen is large enough

[cyan star]

It’s not the size that matters

[barren dagger]

set up that monitor my guy

[cyan star]

It’s the pixels

[barren dagger]

trust

[sullen basin]

https://tenor.com/view/lord-of-the-rings-no-nope-nah-never-gif-16208499

[barren dagger]

be wild then

[sullen basin]

what does this look like to you because this looks perfectly clear

[barren dagger]

no that is terrible

looks like a ps2 game

[sullen basin]

https://tenor.com/view/haruka-yakuza-kiryu-ps2-spin-gif-16246674356443907027

good

[clever belfry]

Yeah the text does not have enough pixels to be smooth

[sullen basin]

didnt this thing fly before

[clever belfry]

worldspace looks fine

[sullen basin]

you think thats fine look at guild chat
i can read this

you think thats bad*

[clever belfry]

horrible, i wont lie

look at the 2nd to last msg
the left bars of h and m in the name should be same thickness

but the pixelgrid just isn't fine enough for it to display everything like that while keeping the font intact

[upbeat sentinel]

Gem loadouts for spec swapping would be

nice as fuck

[sullen basin]

blizzard not accusing me of bein a bot for trying to queue would be nice

[clever belfry]

pov trying to queue for lfr

[south kayak]

You’re doing that too fast!

[upbeat sentinel]

if you didnt want me to queue for 4 wings fast as fuck dont split raids into 4 wings

😠

[sullen basin]

real

the queue system was designed by people who cannot physically queue as fast as us youngins

love it

[upbeat sentinel]

its not even that fast man

[sullen basin]

yea takes like 2-3s per wing

[upbeat sentinel]

ya a bot would smash that in like 5 seconds

people wont usually

I wonder if it's a bot detection thing or if we queued for it all rapidly the system would shit itself 🤔

[sullen basin]

both probably

wtb remix option

[south kayak]

Too much work

[upbeat sentinel]

also https://gyazo.com/a5c07dece9c59d6c45a1eb6885462bcd

Nice! but also not at all nice 😦

[sullen basin]

nice 😦

[upbeat sentinel]

I should just go tank spec but I've not upgraded my offhand at all to save bronze on tiers

so it would cost a lot

[sullen basin]

its a few hundred maybe

[upbeat sentinel]

No I would have to pay full price for OH for like 4 tiers

it would cost me ~18k

to have the tank spec be as geared as the main anyway

[sullen basin]

weird because shield is free on retail if you got a big 2hander

[upbeat sentinel]

If you're SMF/rogue/Frost DK/anything DW other than Titans Grip fury

Then you dont have to upgrade your offhand to allow the rest of your gear to be tiered up, and the mainhand only costs 4.5k

So you effectively save 4.5k bronze for every upgrade tier

[sullen basin]

giga

wdym?

TG takes 90% of offhand strength

just re-equip your offhand to fix the display

[upbeat sentinel]

baited

[sullen basin]

fury is the worst spec so play arms for 30 levels then reroll for ww

[cyan star]

Cape caps at 150 main stat 750 stam 150 vers and 100% exp gain for fresh alts *

Can I sleep on it too

I’m exhausted

I bring chocolate chip cookies to bed too if you wanna snack , I can share..?

[soft ocean]

anyone have an idea as to what our stat %'s should look like? right now im rocking 27% crit 31% haste 68% mastery and 22% vers.

[shell jackal]

who here just uses deviled eggs / feast for food

and who actually uses one of the named foods

i'm tryna settle a guild debate

[tardy lark]

At this point, secondary stats are seemingly better for a lot of classes, but it realistically doesn’t matter much

[eternal sundial]

i use haste nast food

since like mid s3

[shell jackal]

damn okay

i might try the haste/mast food just for fun

[flat river]

HELP

my anime brothers

i need a good shounen anime

nvm found one

continue on with your day

[gilded pawn]

Only warrior

We suck balls

I went through like 5 specs and none of them had this problems

[faint whale]

What did u find

Dont say boku no piko

[sullen dove]

?

[tardy lark]

Pretty sure spriest does for example, but idk how much people actually bother looking into it

[flat river]

RAGNA CRIMSON

[gilded pawn]

I’ll check spriest when I get home

[sour tundra]

why is my strength red in mop remix and giving me negative

[young swan]

TG tax

[wanton mirage]

look at all those white guys

[final zenith]

It's not that it's hard it's just warrior uses all stats very well and u just want to be mindful of softcap %'s like 30% vers before softcaps any more and you get less out of your numbers

[hardy cargo]

Just sim top gear and you’ll get your answer don’t think about your stat % just do what robot tells u 🤖

[final zenith]

I mainly play pvp and they haven't figured a bot out for that yet 🤷‍♂️

As far as gearing and stuff mostly gotta watch top streamers

[hardy cargo]

This isn’t a pvp channel so you shouldn’t give pvp advice

[muted star]

you can just sim all pvp items in droptimiser

[final zenith]

It was general advice lmao

People should know about stat breakpoints

Makes us understand the robots a lil more

[hardy cargo]

Breakpoints and soft caps different things but yes they can/should be aware but the robot is going to be more accurate than any feelycrafting yk

Even if it might look like you have too much of a stat the robot will be more correct than you will be

[muted star]

yeah you can completely forget about stat breakpoints, the bot will naturally guide you to one if there is

[final zenith]

But if the robot is saying go crit and u don't understand why this gives a explanation

One of many possible explanations*

[hardy cargo]

Well it’s not always so one dimensional and you can’t apply it to everything- kinda off topic but arms might go further into stat DR for haste for the breakpoint of an extra GCD in CS window

[muted star]

about as good an explanation as "a dragon is eating the sun" when people saw solar eclipses. Its feelycraft.

[hardy cargo]

My thought/response exactly haha

[final zenith]

Just trying to be helpful is all

[hardy cargo]

Ye I know 🙂

[final zenith]

Droptimizer doesn't know how it feels to have 30% vers in pvp vs 20% but a person will tell u your gonna die fast and often based on the meta and the stats that we have at our disposal

[hardy cargo]

Yeah pvp is a whole different beast to gear for

[final zenith]

But not pvp channel

I'll stop

[hardy cargo]

In the (very few) seasons I gear for it I just stack vers and call it a day don’t even think about any other stat

[soft ocean]

Ty!

[bitter palm]

is there a reason for the tax wtf

tg doesnt give u any buffs

[soft ocean]

Ty!

[final zenith]

Np

[young swan]

weapons at max level give like 20k mainstat

[hardy cargo]

Np good luck out there man

[young swan]

and fury is the only one who can equip 2 2handers

[bitter palm]

i mean isnt it the same as on retail except

[bitter palm]

numbers are smaller

[final zenith]

I bet they hate the fact they made Titan grip a thing cuz of issues like this

[bitter palm]

nah they hate smf

[final zenith]

Scaling all 2hs based on 1 spec that can use 2 of em seems worse than 2 1h which many specs use

[final zenith]

True

[bitter palm]

i mean

[final zenith]

Biased devs always

[bitter palm]

thats when tuning comes in

2 2hs is fury identity

[final zenith]

Has smf ever been bis?

[bitter palm]

no

[final zenith]

I like the idea of it

Wish it was closer in performance like every other fury

[flat river]

Its 3:30 AM rn in Egypt and it's 28 degrees outside

Celsius

Gn guys

[final zenith]

For clarification

[final zenith]

Night

[sour tundra]

just ran a normal dungeon on remix with an level 11 hunter doing 1.5mil dps what is this scaling? why even get to 70

[upbeat sentinel]

"Fixed a bug causing Gulp Frogs to unintentionally drop Lesser Charms of Good Fortune." thats a funny way to phrase that lmao

[upbeat sentinel]

ya low levels with legendary gems in all slots fucking slaughter everything

we just had a lvl 21 spriest do 1.8m sustained st

aoe was nuts

[young swan]

lol

10 man scaling btw

[silent burrow]

Yes, before they introduced tg

[edgy widget]

ironically, TG was a lot worse than simply not taking the talent when first introduced during the Wrath prepatch; it came with a massive +15% hit penalty, which got nerfed twice before it was completely removed shortly after the full expansion launch

when SMF introduced in Cata (largely to smooth out the new gearing system, since otherwise FDK would have been the only offensive strength 1h user), the two went back and forth, mostly because of awkward hit/expertise issues

and SMF was actually slightly ahead for most of MoP/WoD

[hardy cargo]

does this mean smf is currently ahead in cata release

[edgy widget]

idk about classic, cause its working off a different build than vanilla launch was

[winged atlas]

hi guys, what trinket should i get with the bullions? whisper or augury?

[sour tundra]

does anyone know why the meta gem ward of salvation doesnt go off for some people?

in mop remix

is there a cap of the number of people it pops for?

[left perch]

I could’ve sworn TG was around longer in tbc than that, but clearly I don’t remember well

[faint whale]

Check #updates-midnight

But sim before u purchase

[novel river]

Anyone have a rough guideline for what % stats to aim for? I know simming is the best way to know optimal dps for my char, but I just want to understand how the stats work on a better level

[hardy cargo]

top gear sim will tell u what gear u should wear

[edgy widget]

TG came out with the Wrath prepatch, it was the capstone Fury talent
Cata split it out into two capstones instead, with SMF as an option

[left perch]

Yea I believe you, just if you asked me before you said that I would’ve said TBC

just merged all of it in my head I guess

had one of of those “wait, really?” Moments lol

[edgy widget]

its one of the funny things about people qqing over 1h being the "fury identity" for all the early years of WoW

cause in actuality, 1h Fury really only existed in TBC

it was almost completely unplayed in vanilla due to poor balancing and itemization, and Wrath introduced TG (which was mathematically bad at the start, but most people didn't know or care, and it was quickly adjusted anyway)

[novel river]

Let's act like I can't sim the character - Is there a place with information where the stats start to have diminishing returns?

[edgy widget]

technically yes, but it's still not something you're going to be able to map out by hand

WoW's combat formulas are incredibly complicated and all stats are interdependent, it's not as simple as "X > Y until Z"

[novel river]

The reason I'm asking is because I'm playing remix currently and I don't think I can sim it

[edgy widget]

you can't, but you also don't really need to worry about it

[novel river]

Not worries, just want to know how much haste I should stack before moving on to other stats

[edgy widget]

just stack mastery, one because you can get oodles of haste and crit from tinker bonuses and two because mastery is double budgeted for no apparent reason

[novel river]

Hmm okay

[edgy widget]

Fury really only "needs" around 20-30% haste to feel comfortable, though you can go higher

[novel river]

Okay thank you, that's what I was looking for. Is there any point cutoff for mast?

[edgy widget]

not that you need to be concerned with

[hardy cargo]

also, especially in remix, with the cape infinitely scaling you wont even need to worry about it much at all since youll be up to your neck in stat drs

[novel river]

That's what I'm working with currently

[edgy widget]

you really don't need to worry about it

Remix content is trivial in difficulty, it's only gated by ilevel

[novel river]

I'm trying to learn how the stats work lol

[hardy cargo]

people who frog farmed degen are at 7k str and all secondaries on their cloak

theres an addon truestatvalues that shows u the DR of all the stats on your character panel when u hover them

[novel river]

Oh sweet, I'll look it up

[edgy widget]

you really don't need to worry about DRs

[hardy cargo]

but seriously I just wouldnt think abt it its not a big deal especially in remix lol

[edgy widget]

you hit them very easily, especially with the over abundance of stats in Remix

like I get the idea of wanting to know more, but it really does not matter in any way as far as Remix is concerned

not with the amount of raw stat bloating and how much of your power comes from external gems anyway - if you really want a litmus on "what gem should I use" just go with whatever gives you the most stam or highest value, and then Mastery > everything else

[novel river]

It's not really about being worried or remix specifically, I'm just wanting to understand the class better. I mained warrior a while back and ended up switching classes. Now I'm enjoying fury a lot again and just want to know how the class works. That's all

[edgy widget]

I get that, but Remix is not the place for it lol, that mode is all sorts of fubar

[novel river]

Understanding the class shouldn't matter what mode I'm playing though lol

[hardy cargo]

like I said people who abused frogs have 7k of every stat on their cloak which is more than a level 70 character at max drop illvl lol

[novel river]

It'll just help me in whatever mode I choose

[edgy widget]

ok do whatever you want

[novel river]

It's just that most places I tried googling the information I'm looking for, I always saw the same thing: "Just sim it bro". Seems really hard to find more detailed information if someone really wants to learn. The addon looks promising though, so hopefully that works

[edgy widget]

As I explained before, the reason that's the answer is because WoW's combat is incredibly complicated

[hardy cargo]

the addon isnt really useful per se, its just information for informations sake

[edgy widget]

stats are all interdependent and they all shift values alongside one another, it's not simply a matter of DR points

even without hitting a new level of DR, adding a few points of one stat can and often will cause all others to shift around in value

[novel river]

Yeah I get that. I just was surprised to see that it was so hard to find basic goal values. Most guides I see also assume I have tier set already and stuff

[edgy widget]

it's simply not something you can map out by hand