#fury
modest condor
midnight kite
MM cleaves 4 targets for 95% damage while fury cleaves 5 for 55% seems fair to me
brazen island
They should nerf fury and buff arms like crazy to just kill us at this point
midnight kite
or they can cleave... 8? for 75%
ember apex
there was someone here arguing for fury aoe nerfs earlier today too btw
modest condor
4 minutes into the video
brazen island
I’ve given up hope of them ever knowing how to balance fury
They have really good inter-class balance right now, but they have awful intra-class balance
summer quail
there was someone here arguing for fury aoe nerfs earlier today too btw
ye they prob think we need to get nerfed in aoe to get decent st but that's just not true
oblique trail
or they can cleave... 8? for 75%
7 targets for 70%
But yeah MM cleave is omega strong if you get fairly good RNG
ember apex
i dont like rng dependent builds tbh
midnight kite
oh yeah heavy ammo is +25% not 20% thanks for correcting
oblique trail
Haven't quite had 6 mill pulls yet tho..
eternal sundial
Other is warrior
oblique trail
Although it's gear isn't exactly amazing
midnight kite
I ran a rat 9 key with a almost 520ilvl MM hunter and he blasted but not like to an absurd degree
oblique trail
Yeah MM if they are allowed to actually stand still during Trueshot does unethical damage
Entangling this week tho..
Bit cringe..
modest condor
idk what kind of damage profile MM has, but low keys always favour front loaded burst specs
fury also looks better than destro or spriest in a +9
brazen island
MM being decent reminds me
oblique trail
MM is fairly front loaded but its burst lasts for so long
ember apex
fury isnt even a burst spec this season
mossy fox
ya i've felt like playing fury for some lower farm keys top for that reason
brazen island
Hilarious that there were no survival changes
eternal sundial
Fake spec
modest condor
i've said it a bunch of times now but leaving aside the memes, all tierlists are made for high keys
we need a weekly +8 tier list
with specs like MM, fury, ret etc. at the top
brazen island
Best comment today was “Blizzard: ‘do you guys not have Beast Mastery?’”
indigo arch
fury seems to have 8s on lock, lmao
fair star
https://clips.twitch.tv/NurturingOptimisticBadgerBibleThump-wINMCowGB6h-YP1b
Bro what
mossy fox
i should make a tierlist, i know so much about other classes 
fair star
Maybe im playing arms wronh
modest condor
i should make a tierlist, i know so much about other classes <:clueless:10999225...
i mean neither do the other tierlist makers
brazen island
Yeah fury is godly in lower keys because less time per pull to ramp
modest condor
dorki has fury above arms
frank dawn
i should make a tierlist, i know so much about other classes <:clueless:10999225...
then every class can blame you for their problems instead of just us
midnight kite
Well I am getting like 3.9% on 5 target sustained cleave for buffs so not far off the ST number
mossy fox
yeah!
brazen island
Lmao sil i saw that and laughed
modest condor
those people never play with warriors
indigo arch
it's ok, surely blizzard will tune s2 better, and fury will be great for sure and definitely not dogshit for an entire season!
oblique trail
Maybe tier list makers base their class rankings based on random puggers
modest condor
tbh the only good tierlist maker is naowh
brazen island
it's ok, surely blizzard will tune s2 better, and fury will be great for sure an...
a 9th entire season in a row*
frank dawn
I mean the average warrior pug is F tier 100%...
modest condor
he uses the wheel
oblique trail
Yeah I've met some warriors while gearing my hunter
modest condor
i had an ilvl 509 arms warrior do 90k dps on bosses in my pug
oblique trail
Some of them have been characters for sure
indigo arch
arms C
ember apex
thats wowheads M+ tier list
ember apex
not mine, dont get mad at me
modest condor
is that tierlist from s2 or something
mossy fox
we found a double BS arms warrior today without cleave or mbg
modest condor
oh it's from season 3
mossy fox
he did kinda ok considering tbh
midnight kite
Holy, where are the Arms buffs its C tier guys
indigo arch
ember apex
C tier in aoe for keys
indigo arch
I wish tierlists had disclaimers for the more.....touched individuals to stop bringing fire to vault keys to do 150k dps, moonkin too
modest condor
people wont read the disclaimer anyway
ember apex
i played firemage in s3 i hated it
indigo arch
(that or they actually tune the specs to just work regardless of key level, but lmao on that)
shy knot
Wtf is that
midnight kite
I do not trust mages anymore
mossy fox
it's tettles' work isnt it
ember apex
they just come to ur keys and do tank damage w/ better gear than u
frank dawn
pug mages are worse than pug warriors
mossy fox
he came to my stream a couple of days ago and asked if arms is owning now
midnight kite
always underperform damage and always have 3 excuses ready for why
indigo arch
Bring back combust being a giant dot snapshot that spreads
ashen socket
Yeah fury is great in keys guys...... The amount of copium from fury players saying its good in keys is insane
ember apex
DoT snapshotting sucks as a mechanic tbh
radiant plank
Yeah fury is great in keys guys...... The amount of copium from fury players say...
Holy skill issue 
indigo arch
magay
shy knot
This article will do so much dmg to pug m+ as warrior
mossy fox
comparing to two of the highest dps in keys is p unfair
shy knot
“Sorry bro no C tier specs in here”
mossy fox
good effort tho
ashen socket
good effort tho
Still there should be no world where 1 dps dies 4 more times then me and still beats me
indigo arch
dot snapshotting was kinda neat, I miss reapplying rends for giant aoe dam when poweraura for trinket procs lit up
modest condor
he came to my stream a couple of days ago and asked if arms is owning now
did you say no it needs buffs?
mossy fox
did you say no it needs buffs?
i said ret is better 
ember apex
Yeah fury is great in keys guys...... The amount of copium from fury players say...
how do u get aug damage to show up like that
summer quail
he came to my stream a couple of days ago and asked if arms is owning now
did you sandbag?
indigo arch
or tomfoolery like rend spreading as prot warr in cata with capped vengeance
midnight kite
well you see the spriest has DH buff and you dont have monk buff
wanton mirage
You can argue that that Dev received PIs
modest condor
i mean 900k+ overall in a random AA pug vs spriests in the best premades in the world barely touching 1mil, i'd say arms > spriest for overall
ashen socket
how do u get aug damage to show up like that
No im trying to be mad dont make me laugh
modest condor
but spriest wins on boss damage
chilly fractal
you can argue that Shad Priest lived on the floor
ashen socket
I want to simmer in salt
ember apex
No im trying to be mad dont make me laugh
🙂
mossy fox
i mean 900k+ overall in a random AA pug vs spriests in the best premades in the ...
true
chilly fractal
Fury Owns 
shy knot
Warrior didnt touch the meta for the whole of dragonflight 
maybe on prot
midnight kite
Look I expected nothing so the buffs are an absolute win for me
mossy fox
same
empty mirage
ass but still useable if u enjoy it
fervent turtle
and inthe end of the day, it's still good fun so what
modest condor
huh
shy knot
and inthe end of the day, it's still good fun so what
Its a solid rotation
midnight kite
modest condor
he definitely did
indigo arch
what buffs are we even getting? like where are they posted
ashen socket
and inthe end of the day, it's still good fun so what
Fun is subjective, Being bottom dps when I know I am playing well is not fun
modest condor
idk
tranquil grail
spamming WW is fun
midnight kite
Aura buff +3%
2pc // 12% -> 15%
4pc // BT damage/stack 30->35%
fervent turtle
Fun is subjective, Being bottom dps when I know I am playing well is not fun
ESC > addons > uncheck Details!
humble plover
i did that
indigo arch
hmm
humble plover
really fun night
sullen basin
Just /details show should work
ashen socket
ESC > addons > uncheck Details!
Sounds like something a shitter would do
indigo arch
yea that doesn't seem like enough at all tbh
shy knot
Fun is subjective, Being bottom dps when I know I am playing well is not fun
That is reroll time
To arms
ashen socket
No thanks
I have some pride
swapping to arms when I have refused to since wod would be shameful
fervent turtle
Sounds like something a shitter would do
i still get PI regular when there's a Priest. so can't be that bad then
midnight kite
Outlaw is probably the spec to play if you hard wanted to reroll
indigo arch
destro getting buffs
shy knot
Outlaw is probably the spec to play if you hard wanted to reroll
1h fury
midnight kite
semi similar playstyle/APM
shy knot
Just more lame
bitter palm
indigo arch
yea
midnight kite
Enhance is also supposed to be similar but idk they seem squishy
indigo arch
6 is aspect but also champion gear from end of run
humble plover
play shadow priest its a lot of fun
summer quail
>destro getting buffs
blizzard buffs/nerfs for raid mostly, only the outliers for m+ gets nerfed
olive wraith
Devoker is kinda fun
summer quail
Dvoker looks sleeper on ST
very much not sleeper, it's the highest st spec in the game
ember apex
whats the button
silver mantle
Is fury saved?
indigo arch
going off #s, no
silver mantle
sheisse
summer quail
Is fury saved?
no, but 3.8% buff is pretty decent
fervent turtle
saved in "alt friendly" pugs ^^
summer quail
nah another 3.8% is overkill. our goal shouldn't be catching up to arms(in raid atleast) arms in an outlier
warm crag
might be very good in high m+ now
empty mirage
we got a buff? or am i missing context
empty mirage
what changed? i see no blue text
ember apex
our goal should be crushing arms wtf u talking about
young swan
summer quail
our goal should be crushing arms wtf u talking about
unrealistic goal
clever path
want to ask legendry how much cost mat ?
ember apex
its been true in the past and it will be true again
olive wraith
want to ask legendry how much cost mat ?
It’s server dependent
clever path
@olive wraith between like how much
midnight kite
3.8% hotfix
3.8% from the weekly quest 2 bullions I use to buy ring
3.5% mythic augery in my vault for real
ashen socket
I dont care if I am tied with arms but if I play well and the other person dies multiple times then that should be a clear win for me
indigo arch
wouldn't mine some more utility
olive wraith
Between how much mats cost on your server
empty mirage
3.8% better than 0%
indigo arch
perhaps they make the move for shockwave that they plan for war within early, etc, perhaps disrupting shout too etc
fair star
Guys
summer quail
me? i'm not in doomer mode, i play both specs. just the way i see it arms is an outlier in st. if fury is midpack that's good enough
fair star
How did we go
From these buffs are useless
To we are good in m+ now
Like
Clearly we need more buffs
graceful bay
saved in "alt friendly" pugs ^^
No way spec gigatrah useless how am I supposed to CE prog with it reeeeee
neon ingot
3.8% hotfix
3.8% from the weekly quest 2 bullions I use to buy ring <:copium:839...
is the 2 bullions guaranteed ?
fair star
olive wraith
Fury wasn’t bad in m+
summer quail
To we are good in m+ now
coz we were never that bad in m+
neon ingot
wanst it like only for ptr ?
midnight kite
No because we dont know if it will actually be on live
ember apex
how many more boullion cubes do we get?
warm crag
dunno 1 per week
proper peak
So the buffs mean fury is saved right...
empty mirage
so were only buffed rn on ptr or is it live?
warm crag
if you wanna guess how long the season is multiply the amount of weeks by 1
summer quail
so were only buffed rn on ptr or is it live?
goes live next reset
empty mirage
gangster, 3.8% wont save fury but itll def make a difference
graceful bay
Clearly we need more buffs
Fury is fine in m+, shouldn't you be trolling arms with cooked whirlwind builds?
fair star
You mean fob ?
midnight kite
We are not buffed on PTR
I checked to see on the incredibly off chance the mythic dungeon weekly was up
bold bluff
I don't really agree fury is fine in M+
DPS would have to be stellar to make fury viable as we bring almost nothing extra to the group, or at least that what I get consistently told by others.
I think that fury performs well in M+ because there are lots of stubborn fury wars who make their own groups and push their own keys.
summer quail
just because something isn't meta doesn't mean we're not fine
hardy pier
I bought augury with bullions so I’m kinda locked in for now lol
olive wraith
I think that fury performs well in M+ because there are lots of stubborn fury wa...
So fury can or can’t push keys?
storm rune
I now realize the only reason I didn't like S2 fury was playing with 200 ping in London on a CST server, went fury for HM doti and it was actually pretty pleasant
modest condor
fury does good in random keys but it falls off as keys get higher and pulls get bigger and people get better
fervent turtle
I don't really agree fury is fine in M+
DPS would have to be stellar to make fur...
never got that narrative tbh. I'd consider group dps buff, group damage reduction, aoe stun, single stun and incredible self heal to support heal not "almost nothing"
fair star
never got that narrative tbh. I'd consider group dps buff, group damage reductio...
Group dmg reduction?
fervent turtle
comm. shout
fair star
Thats not in retail?
storm rune
rallying cry you mean?
fervent turtle
yeah
fair star
Thats hp increse on3min cd
Not dmg reduction
Also i dont think ppl run stormbolt as fury
fervent turtle
yeah yeah its the same in the end
fair star
And its not s3 anymore to spam bloodthirst to passivly heal yourself
modest condor
oh they do, because it's in the wowhead build
they just dont have it on their bars
olive wraith
Also i dont think ppl run stormbolt as fury
If you don’t you’re kinda trolling
fair star
If you don’t you’re kinda trolling
Wdym
When i played fury i onky had shockwave i think
And fear
olive wraith
I mean you should absolutely run stormbolt
fair star
I play arms now and cant sacrifice 1min troar for shockwave
ember apex
if ur not TOP dps in every key ur doing u should definitely NOT be taking stormbolt or shockwave.
graceful bay
I don't really agree fury is fine in M+
DPS would have to be stellar to make fur...
Define viable, I'm willing to bet you aren't anywhere near fury's supposed limits.
olive wraith
Yes you can lmao
oblique trail
You can easily get all the cc in the tree without losing much as Fury
ember apex
ur number 1 prio should be doing damage once ur at the top of the meter then u can focus on more frivolous shit like stuns
fair star
Yes you can lmao
I wont*
clever belfry
You can easily get all the cc in the tree without losing much as Fury
but my CDR!!!!
fair star
ur number 1 prio should be doing damage once ur at the top of the meter then u c...
True
clever belfry
ur number 1 prio should be doing damage once ur at the top of the meter then u c...
ok mr 90% def stance uptime
maybe calm down a bit
ember apex
ok mr 90% def stance uptime
gah! how do u remember that
graceful bay
ur number 1 prio should be doing damage once ur at the top of the meter then u c...
Can't tell if troll or cooked 10 pusher.
olive wraith
He’s trolling
ember apex
im not even trolling
clever belfry
i remember useless shit exklusively
ember apex
i take shockwave and stormbolt but im top dps in the keys i run
if i was not top DPS no way im taking stuns
and burning talent points
clever belfry
ember apex
b/c my #1 job is damage
clever belfry
ember apex
ty banbocnab
olive wraith
Nah vdh shouldn’t use cc they’re not top dmg
ember apex
they're tanks
they have a different role
mob positioning and placement is part of their job
olive wraith
Nah damage is the only important thing
plush ice
you'll brick more keys by not having shockwave then not having the DPS talent there
ember apex
not for tanks
sour frigate
not for tanks
except brew
ember apex
its much more important to focus on doing good pulls n shit
ember apex
instruments?
clever belfry
tools
olive wraith
Kit
clever belfry
balls
sour frigate
balls 
clever belfry
@oblique trail balls check
olive wraith
Purpleface
ember apex
why is ur pepette vibrating
hardy cargo
back to brown class? 
sour frigate
😦
clever belfry
i mean I'm kinda just playing arms cause large number in raid
ember apex
i will say, gameplay wise, fury has never felt better, like if ur in raid and u never look at damage meter ur gonna have a great time
honestly, i may just put a 1.2x multiplier on my damage in the lua code for details
vocal gazelle
So basically if you don’t pay attention, you win?
dense elbow
I kinda prefer S3, just because I am addicted to big BB crits on my screen
vocal gazelle
lol
fervent turtle
So basically if you don’t pay attention, you win?
ignorance is bliss
dense elbow
big numbers make me happy
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> balls check
:balls:
ember apex
the problem is S3 BB crits didnt cleave correctly
oblique trail
Cant even abuse yellow because no nitro
ember apex
imagine paying discord to sell ur data
clever belfry
maybe add balls?
ember apex
and not using a burner email
clever belfry
and not using a burner email
Surely they need ur real email to track u
good fucking cope
ember apex
they need personally identifiable information
wihch emails usually contain
if ur not 14 years old
clever belfry
Welcome to your pc has that too
ember apex
and nothing says privacy like payment information and a billing address
clever belfry
and uve likely used it on your pc
clever belfry
true
ember apex
i didnt get vaxxed for covid
clever belfry
My 5g reception got a lot better post double shot
ember apex
like no one my age did
barren dagger
you're like 12?
ember apex
are u guys all 40 years old
clever belfry
are u 12
dense elbow
Welcome to WoW
ember apex
this may have been a bit of a self report here
hardy cargo
LOL
left perch
are u guys all 40 years old
Next month
clever belfry
im jk im 32 but yeah i didnt get the microchip
x
olive wraith
Hello fellow kids
half cargo
fr fr
ashen socket
what’s up fellow gyatt sayers
sour frigate
are u guys all 40 years old
Not yet...
olive wraith
That’s so skibity toilet
sullen dove
fanum tax in Ohio
silver mantle
at 3 a.m.
plucky patio
Rise up and rizz out my pookies lets kiss and bladestorm our way to a vicroy today
graceful bay
im jk im 32 but yeah i didnt get the microchip
How are you gonna get 5G though?
broken river
for next week should I choose Aug over Eranog ring?
ashen socket
Thought we only got 1 bullion next week
Either way wait until you clear normal and heroic and if it doesn't drop you go aug
hardy cargo
theres a slight possibility that 4 mythic dungeon weekly gives 2 bullion, but I wouldnt count on it personally
hardy cargo
for next week should I choose Aug over Eranog ring?
id sim, ring sims beter than augury for me
and more competition
ashen socket
How much damage does the ring do anyway?
frank dawn
Ring and Ashkandur sim highest for me, but I’m still rocking a 502 off hand from world content xd
frank dawn
How much damage does the ring do anyway?
It’s like 1.5%
hardy cargo
I think some friends who have it have the ring doing anywhere from 1-3% in keys which is quite big considering you dont lose any stats
frank dawn
Yeah it’s free damage
ashen socket
And how much is ashkandur adding in keys right now for %?
frank dawn
I have yet to loot one this expansion, but uh…I’ll let you know
broken river
also anyone know when the best time to use fyralath on opener is?
keen kindle
Anytime outside of CDs
Use it before or after
It's personal pref, just DO NOT use it during CDs
broken river
like when ava reck is active that is considered as during CDs?
thats what ive always been confused about
keen kindle
During avatar or CS
AKA: use it in tom basically
oh wait
Fuck this is fury
I think for fury it's use it outside of avatar, but I'm not sure
Since fury has such high uptime on Reck anyways
hardy cargo
personaly I just send after hurricane ends
keen kindle
Wouldn't you still have ava thou
hardy cargo
holding for avatar feels too long
hardy cargo
shits like 24 seconds
keen kindle
it's 20
keen kindle
...I keep forgetting how fury works
but even so like
ur not loosing a cast of the lego doing that
And after that lego will naturally align outside of major CDs anyways
broken river
Im doing charge ons then fyralath then rest of my opener for ST boss
broken river
no Ons first so im enraged
keen kindle
Why would you want to be enraged?
modest condor
to make it faster
half cargo
Haven’t played Fury with new tier this season, is the avatar and warlord torment bug still a thing?
covert blaze
Why would you want to be enraged?
Cause it's hasted
keen kindle
Fair enough ig
ashen socket
why do I repeat the mistake of inviting az tanks
half cargo
upbeat sentinel
Fury 4set actually got buffed and S3 not nerfed??
Not a big enough buff probably but yknow
Surv hunter getting no buffs. You stay in S3 forever!!!!!
keen kindle
Thank you for reminding me survival exists
pallid wing
is there any difference in crafting SF/BSL on cloak and on boots, other than improving whichever slot has the lowest ilvl?
midnight kite
If you plan to get and use the sark cape then one would be incompatable ofc
upbeat sentinel
Well you shouldn’t craft on cloak because sark cloak ya
Boots + bracers is the long term play
pallid wing
oh I forgot about the sark cape 
thanks
hardy cargo
is there any difference in crafting SF/BSL on cloak and on boots, other than imp...
personally I crafted bsl on neck. cant do sfp on it though. but the reason u do is bc those are the 2 lowest stat budget pieces to craft it on
if u want both I think belt is another good option
upbeat sentinel
Pretty sure boot + bracer is because super good stat budgeted pieces exist for us in other slots
And not boot + bracer
hardy cargo
I think u mean belt but yea
if doing wrists tho just do vers wrists
ima just do vers wrists and BSL on neck
upbeat sentinel
this message
Me no follow but it ok
hardy cargo
Me no follow but it ok
I assumed you were meaning to correct me when saying "and not boot + bracer" in the 2nd message correcting where I said belt
thats why i said I think u meant belt in the 2nd one
I think im reading it wrong though assuming the separation of the messages was the separation of ideas of the sentence
half cargo
Think my long term plan will be BSL boots + vers wrists + flavour pocket neck
Might do BSL ring to fit combat ress bracers and get a free socket
Sark cloak cringe in m+ so maybe that’s also a viable embell slot
I dunno
hardy cargo
ya thats correct losing lots of stam kinda stinky
muted star
Not too bad for fury because you have the extra stam from a 2nd 2h weapon
hardy cargo
yea but then u are just arms without ignore pain
urban drum
how massive are these fury buffs going to be dps wise. Amazing, decent, not much
urban drum
tysm
long smelt
not much
thorny cove
augury 2nd best item to buy with bullion after axe upgrade right?
prob especially for me since I have crappy trinkets still 🤣
warm mountain
For what content?
thorny cove
mythic+ and raid
warm mountain
Yeah. If you were strictly raid, I'd say the signet brand
But wait to buy augury ofc. May drop next week
thorny cove
yeah but I'm not doing mythic so at best I would get a hero track one
olive wraith
Brand also isn’t as good on short fights
white rampart
i have a question why is wafting preferred over sophic? isn't increase in primary stat better than haste?
thorny cove
what's the 2nd best AoE trink for dungeons?
left perch
yea but then u are just arms without ignore pain
yea that’s correct, fury tankiness is only 1 single cloak away from being arms with ignore pain
broken river
the buff tomorrow... will that be any good?
long smelt
nope its not much
left perch
the buff tomorrow... will that be any good?
it’s like 3-6% depending on if you’re wearing bis gear or not.
willow patrol
how do we reckon the tide will turn when people have more bullion items?
feels like all leggo axe carriers doing surprisingly well
since the #1 warrior was a fury last time i checked
willow patrol
warm mountain
started late and doesn't have lego 😢
willow patrol
noxiv
also a fury on awakened abberus, lmao
but its one amongst thousands of arms
Nvm, seems to be mythic and not awakened mb
long smelt
m+ will be fine for sure
but if u talking raids
rn aberrus only assault is fury good for and maybe sark
like in a few weeks sure maybe it wont be as bad rn
when everyone gets more bis
hardy cargo
yea that’s correct, fury tankiness is only 1 single cloak away from being arms w...
in one shot situations (which are the main apprehension of the cloak) the hp pools are actually pretty close add in ip arms technically has more with the absorb but yeah fury definitely alot more healing
long smelt
but i dont think fury will suddenly be good just cause we got more ilvl
left perch
in one shot situations (which are the main apprehension of the cloak) the hp poo...
don’t we have dstance + wall CDs for those tho?
modest condor
you dont always have ER up for 1shots
long smelt
also we gotta see what happens next week m+ when its tyran
hardy cargo
on tyr high key
modest condor
take first boss AV, the aoe happens way more often than every 2 mins
long smelt
fort fury can do well on but when its big st boss idk
modest condor
it's the other way around, fury is a lot worse on aoe than on st compared to the meta specs
willow patrol
but i dont think fury will suddenly be good just cause we got more ilvl
i just think the abberus weapon (akash?) can be a major game changer
since now you're fully bis with just the upgraded lego as arms, but fury got a shitty ass 2nd weapon
but arms will still be stronger, most likely
but maybe not as ass as it is today
long smelt
arm will def be stronger still
left perch
you dont always have ER up for 1shots
so fury doesn’t live one shots as well as arms?
modest condor
depends
hardy cargo
sark cloak is actually a large punt in hp
long smelt
i mean mayb if u got hero or myth track ashkandur that will help for sure
modest condor
1: is it aoe damage reduced by avoidance
2: can you stack up IP
modest condor
if it's aoe damage then arms only need 2 IPs to beat fury, if it's not aoe then it needs 3
but you cant always stack up IP
again first boss AV is a good example, you have 2 aoes in close succession
you can't stack up IP for the 2nd one
(numbers may change depending on how much vers you have on either spec)
long smelt
i just think the abberus weapon (akash?) can be a major game changer
so ya it can be but i dont think its gonna be as huge a diff as ud think
thorny cove
what are you guys gonna spend your bullion next?
modest condor
prob augury
hardy cargo
just play what u want homie its fated it doesnt matter at all haha
willow patrol
yeah
olive wraith
I’m torn between fury trink or arms trink
willow patrol
i might just reroll
hardy cargo
im going eranog ring, sims higher upgrade than augury for me
modest condor
just dont play arms and you dont have to worry
modest condor
im going eranog ring, sims higher upgrade than augury for me
i could do a droptimizer sim i guess but my 2nd trinket is still a heroic track augury lol
thorny cove
@hardy cargo isn't your name of the rock guy from timeless isle? 🤣
modest condor
spiteful storm that trinket from raszageth that gets stronger as the fight goes on?
long smelt
i mean if u dont wanna arms then just dont
hardy cargo
<@315322964058963968> isn't your name of the rock guy from timeless isle? 🤣
yep, made it when I was 12 
long smelt
it is meme season
olive wraith
What ilvl are your rings lol
long smelt
and also depends what lvl of content u doing
hardy cargo
i could do a droptimizer sim i guess but my 2nd trinket is still a heroic track ...
I got myth track augury from doing owl farming kekw
long smelt
i think heroic is easy enuf to clear regardless
olive wraith
Meme or not I do like to push my personal limits (am bad)
thorny cove
you can get myth track augury before awakened week as a drop?
long smelt
or u can just use s3 in st lol
hardy cargo
What ilvl are your rings lol
522 and 486 with flavor pocket, im also a lil low on vers and high on mastery maybe but it was a whole ass 2k over augury @ 528. obv the sim has me replacing the crafted 486
modest condor
also i kinda wanna get broodkeeper ring before eranog ring
random 2% damage proc is cool and all but that's not gonna be the difference between timing and depleting for me for a while
thorny sparrow
So has it been worked out what we flavour pocket now
long smelt
arms was not fun to play lol
ya im not a big fan of arms aoe either st is fine
thorny sparrow
Can't be weapons or rings or wrists
modest condor
oh sweet they're literally equal http://puu.sh/K6q8M/511861d72c.png
willow patrol
lmao
hardy cargo
you can get myth track augury before awakened week as a drop?
if u kill mythic fyraak u can get a 496 myth track one yeah lol
willow patrol
spiteful storm that trinket from raszageth that gets stronger as the fight goes ...
yeah
modest condor
yeah that got buffed near the end of 10.0 i'm pretty sure
hardy cargo
week 1 I got it I thought it was gonna be complete shit but it actually kinda owns
only thing is I wish I could select the target, or knew how it worked so I could put it on prio target in packs
thorny cove
if u kill mythic fyraak u can get a 496 myth track one yeah lol
is it upgradeable beyond 496?
hardy cargo
is it upgradeable beyond 496?
nah, s3 item
olive wraith
Still kinda wild it’s simming lower than the ring
thorny cove
is the embellishment cloak still good or is voice of silent star better?
thorny sparrow
Voice is better
It's why I'm struggling to work out where to put a flavour pocket
Neck? Torc of Tine?
olive wraith
I’m probably crafting a cloak
thorny cove
what's the best usage for sparks right now then?
thorny sparrow
Wrists, shadowflame or versatility whatever
hardy cargo
bsl goes hard in dngs
thorny cove
wait I just realized augury procs seal huh
hardy cargo
2 rppm
frozen marten
and shadowflame
And helm enchant
willow patrol
lmao
warm mountain
Why am I playing my warrior lol
Why are we still here? Just to suffer?
silent burrow
Man I guess. I would be pink man this season but we have like 12 of them and I wanna play
willow patrol
rets died with tbc
sour tundra
is Augury of primal flame one of those trinkets we will never ever replace?
its doing SO MUCH damage
modest condor
2nd to signet brand
modest condor
me neither, im skipping brand
but we're also not really planning to full clear mythic
altho i've heard that it's pretty easy to keep up in this season's dungeons
and idk, augury does seem kinda far down on aoe this season
half cargo
I haven’t looked at sims, what’s looking like the best choice? OCE?
willow patrol
signet and augury from my primitive sims iirc
half cargo
Alongside a puzzle box *
blissful kestrel
Are these fury buffs gonna change anything
modest condor
as far as aoe goes it looks like oce with all buffs > icon with all buffs > the rest, but good luck getting full icon/oce buffs
blissful kestrel
Or am I still stuck playing arms in raid
warm mountain
Are these fury buffs gonna change anything
no
modest condor
but like augury apparently even gets beaten by a hero track sandglass on aoe
which is kinda surprising to me
half cargo
Yeah that’s weird
blissful kestrel
I feel like augury doesn't Sim right compared to what it actually pumps out
modest condor
I feel like augury doesn't Sim right compared to what it actually pumps out
keep in mind that it has passive crit instead of mainstat
and crit is generally our worst stat
when you look at details you have to take off something like 1% of its damage to account for that loss in mainstat if you're comparing to another trinket that does have mainstat like signet brand
upbeat sentinel
We happy with buffs or think not enough
hard relic
hmmge
upbeat sentinel
You debating your next Bullion?
warm mountain
Brings us from worst to 2nd worst maybe
midnight kite
Expected buff: 0%
What we got: 3.8%
upbeat sentinel
Na you gotta give some “worst” love to surv who currently don’t use their S4 set and got no tuning to deal with it
warm mountain
You debating your next Bullion?
Hope the rumor of the 2 bullion quest this week is true
upbeat sentinel
Hope the rumor of the 2 bullion quest this week is true
Is that an actual rumor or are you trolling
half cargo
Na you gotta give some “worst” love to surv who currently don’t use their S4 set...
That’s actually grim
warm mountain
Na you gotta give some “worst” love to surv who currently don’t use their S4 set...
ok third worst
grim star
It could always be worse. Survival hunter and blood DK basically don't get to change their tier
midnight kite
The mythic dungeon quest apparently gave 2 Bullion on PTR but it very well could have changed
warm mountain
Is that an actual rumor or are you trolling
Weekly quest to do 4 mythic dungeons rewards two bullion
upbeat sentinel
It could always be worse. Survival hunter and blood DK basically don't get to ch...
Ya them being untouched in tuning is fucking absurd
keen kindle
Weekly quest to do 4 mythic dungeons rewards two bullion
I'm 90% sure that was a confirmed bug
upbeat sentinel
Weekly quest to do 4 mythic dungeons rewards two bullion
So we get three total?
That doesn’t seem right at all
half cargo
Ya them being untouched in tuning is fucking absurd
Like legit unplayable in m+ with losing all that stamina
warm mountain
I miss S3
half cargo
I sure miss tindral and fyrakk
half cargo
Oh, you mean gear set
young swan
We equipped our S1
we only equipped it because we had no alternatives
keen kindle
I sure miss tindral and fyrakk
I mean guess who you get do in a few weeks!
And by a few I mean tomorrow/Wensday!
young swan
if s1 had won the vote we wouldnt have equipped it either
upbeat sentinel
I mean guess who you get do in a few weeks!
Tomorrow actually
warm mountain
I mean guess who you get do in a few weeks!
Tomorrow even!
upbeat sentinel
Oh lol you clarified
half cargo
Sitting this reset out
midnight kite
I get survival tier is bad but calling it fury S1 bad seems like a stretch
keen kindle
Valid
half cargo
half cargo
Rather spend a currency than set foot in that place again
keen kindle
And I'm a heroic person, so my opinion is invalid anyways 
young swan
s1 fury is quite literally a contender for worst tier set ever
upbeat sentinel
Tindral should get ass clapped once we’re geared
upbeat sentinel
After this coming week aren’t all 3 raids up all the time
keen kindle
S1 tier was VERY bad at launch thou
young swan
no
upbeat sentinel
One more cycle?
keen kindle
I remeber when I first got it, it was like a 1.5% increase
young swan
its week 7 i think?
keen kindle
I then swapped to arms
upbeat sentinel
Ah guild was convinced only 1 cycle
keen kindle
I wish
warm mountain
I'm fine with two more weeks of old Amirdrassil difficulty for farming Fyr'alath
half cargo
We did non awakened fyrakk last week for mounts
keen kindle
How bad was it?
warm mountain
I just got here
upbeat sentinel
Was abt to say gaining 30 ilvls should’ve made him a lot easier lol
half cargo
Colossi just disappear
keen kindle
He's a dragon
upbeat sentinel
Sark counts as humanoid and is a dragon boi
chilly fractal
So is Sark but that son bitch is Humanoid
And oddly enough Echo of Nelth is dragon… but is actually an abberation
keen kindle
Dracthyr are an odd case
half cargo
How bad was it?
We had around 6 players who didn’t prog with us so we wiped a few times on the intermission until they learnt it, otherwise fairly easy
warm mountain
And oddly enough Echo of Nelth is dragon… but is actually an abberation
Well Echo is a faceless one
upbeat sentinel
Actually no he’s a dragon it says so if you mouse over him!
chilly fractal
Well Echo is a faceless one
I know that’s why I said it’s odd he’s a dragon
keen kindle
Because he's mimicking a dragon
Irrc wrathion was also classified as a dragon, despite being a faceless one
upbeat sentinel
Is Igira the only humanoid in Amird?
warm mountain
Tindral?
keen kindle
Tindral too
chilly fractal
Ain’t she Giant
keen kindle
There is no way tindral isn't a humanoid
upbeat sentinel
Ah ya tindy
warm mountain
What's Nymue?
upbeat sentinel
Ashkandur shall rip him apart
half cargo
Forest mommy
keen kindle
....elemental?
chilly fractal
Thicc
compact flint
Nymue is an alien from Starcraft... just kidding
warm mountain
wowhead says "Uncategorized"
keen kindle
According to wowhead, she has no enemy type
keen kindle
Honestly wouldn't do a lot tbh
warm mountain
Passive talent: All enemies are humanoid
keen kindle
Buff rb or smth
upbeat sentinel
Honestly wouldn't do a lot tbh
Makes Ashkandur real good and we’re the only spec that uses it in BiS gear
keen kindle
I love how ashkandur is basically either for legoless people or fury
warm mountain
or me who's both
sinful spoke
Pulling tindral might be kinda fucked as arms im so used to of breaking me out every seet of roots
warm mountain
It'll be a while. Got 7 LFR kills, 6 normal, 4 heroic
upbeat sentinel
Those lfr kills just do not matter at all unfortunately
warm mountain
every tenth of a percent matters to me
sinful spoke
Yeah lfr fyrakk kills sre in like the .1 %
No like
U could do 60 lfr kills
U still wont guarantee it
upbeat sentinel
And it’s not gaurunteed
warm mountain
I know. I've checked the numbers and run probabilities
upbeat sentinel
If you just have the time to do LFR then w/e but you need to be focusing on H kills
sinful spoke
Heroic and mythic kills are the ones that actually matter
modest condor
Reminder the S1 tier also got buffed pretty early
yeah buffed from 95% crit chance on execute to 100% crit chance
the bigger buff was us swapping from RA to AM mid season
midnight kite
I tried to sim the S1 tier (Scaled up) for fun and it dident seem to function right
modest condor
how so?
sinful spoke
If u just saw low numbers then u got the correct sim
That set was just straight ass
midnight kite
S1 tier execute casts: 30.4 / average crit chance of execute 98.7%
No tier execute casts: 41 / average crit chance of execute 87.7%
idk why it casts so many less executes
modest condor
are you talented into sudden death?
midnight kite
Yeah, I noticed that after the first try then resimmed
modest condor
do you have the sim?
midnight kite
In simc not Raidbots
felt it would be easier to keep all stats the same then swap around actual gear pieces
modest condor
imagine not using raidbots smh my head
midnight kite
even if it was the APL favoring other things over execute I dont get why the one without tier at all would have more casts
midnight kite
Its simply because SD (in the sim) just dosent proc with the S1 tier lmao
midnight kite
Yeah not a prio issue at all
Like Tenderize+Annihilator giving RB Slaughtering strike stacks (+20%) instead of Annihilator ones (+2%)
The combo is never good so not exactly an issue to fix
modest condor
lol that's a funny one
midnight kite
Im gonna rough estimate the S1 tier as +3% for the entire tier or -9.4% dps from S4 tier (same ilvl/stats)
deep sapphire
So how big are the buffs for Fury, I assume we're still gonna be pretty low and not that competitive with Arms?
young swan
fiery storm
So how big are the buffs for Fury, I assume we're still gonna be pretty low and ...
30k dps difference which rele means jackall if u rnt amazing anyway so play what u want
keen kindle
Or just reroll ret
fiery storm
man i wana do that so badly but dont feel like lvling, doing quest / rep grind etc
warm mountain
Or level one during pandaria remix
fiery storm
im ean tww i hope to god fury is good and i dont have to play ret lmao
keen kindle
Rn it's not lookin good
fiery storm
Or level one during pandaria remix
y during that time?
warm mountain
Because it'll be faster than right now
fiery storm
Rn it's not lookin good
rele i thought our abilities etc look good sucks to hear
fiery storm
Because it'll be faster than right now
xp gain or gearingwise
warm mountain
xp
fiery storm
anything stand out to you guys?
warm mountain
the green circle
young swan
rele i thought our abilities etc look good sucks to hear
they're moving in the right direction, just have a lot more moving to do
fiery storm
the green circle
kekw not the 476 explorer ring ? lmfao
low aurora
is s4 ok for m+ now?
fiery storm
if youre casual like me bro its amazing dude nothing like 200k dps soaking wet
warm mountain
+3s
fiery storm
so then like what
low aurora
8ish
fiery storm
youre fine man
young swan
dude what. i thought s4 was dookie for M+
the concern was always pure ST, never m+
low aurora
ohhh
fiery storm
yeah bro we r so down bad in raid
upbeat sentinel
Pure ST we've pretty much been hit with doomsday, our tier set is barely worth equipping
low aurora
oof
fiery storm
i was mashing my buttons hard , didnt matter
that dogshit arms was always ahead of me
KEKW
low aurora
damn. hard ftw tho :\
upbeat sentinel
The current buffs will not change that either
low aurora
yeah.. fury > always. more pew pew 😛
fiery storm
The current buffs will not change that either
def brings us closer but well se
low aurora
excited to get bladestorm back next xpac tho
warm mountain
I'm not
upbeat sentinel
def brings us closer but well se
Arms was simming like 60k ahead of us, does virtually nothing to close that gap
fiery storm
only 30k ahead of us now
low aurora
good god. 60k!?
low aurora
oh just 30k! lol
young swan
Arms was simming like 60k ahead of us, does virtually nothing to close that gap
yeahhh thats made up
fiery storm
well starting tomorrow
low aurora
hahah
upbeat sentinel
it was like 40k
p sure it was 60k at some point, if it's down to 25k now then good but still not great lmao
young swan
it was never 60k
fiery storm
is arms just ... overpower/ms/keep rend up?
low aurora
yeah idgaf about st. just m+. but i don't like arms so meh
young swan
is arms just ... overpower/ms/keep rend up?
aoe gets messy but thats the gist on ST
you wanna press ww on cd as well
low aurora
do we get a tier piece for KSH ? or just KSM?
modest condor
i think before they nerfed icon it may have been close to 60k, but that was never gonna go live like that anyway so kinda irrelevant
fiery storm
do we get a tier piece for KSH ? or just KSM?
its always first come first serve...u got one from both
young swan
even then im pretty sure it was 45-50k max
fiery storm
excuse me i said that wrong - u get one piece from either
modest condor
wasnt arms 450k before the nerf?
young swan
440
low aurora
excuse me i said that wrong - u get one piece from either
TY!
young swan
i think they got it to maybe 445?
modest condor
50k then
upbeat sentinel
bro these fury buffs suck
there are classes that do not equip new tier that are untouched in the tuning
just be happy we got shit ig
rancid heron
just be happy we got shit ig
true i guess 
warm mountain
For being the "victory lap" season, I expected them to be more wild and make everyone overpowered
upbeat sentinel
Rest in peace blood DK homies
upbeat sentinel
For being the "victory lap" season, I expected them to be more wild and make eve...
I mean the wild and overpowered part is you only have to really farm like 4 pieces to be BiS with all the free bits
between 6 bullion items, 2 embellishes, and 4 tier pieces where you can catalyze whatever the fuck you want
fringe flame
Best Victory Lap season was end of BFA for me. Maxing Corruptions was awesome
upbeat sentinel
And the 4 bits you have to farm specific pieces for are the least impactful pieces
so even if u dont ur gonna be nuts
but ya it would be nice if certain specs didn't just suck horrendously in a season that barely matters
just lemme make big #
upbeat sentinel
born to listen to cute anime music, forced to listen to metal
sir this is a wendys
compact knot
yeah u right
empty mirage
anything stand out to you guys?
ye the nasty race
polar trail
there are classes that do not equip new tier that are untouched in the tuning
Seriously? Which specs?
warm mountain
survival
thorny sparrow
there are classes that do not equip new tier that are untouched in the tuning
who screwed up their votes
olive wraith
We did it gang we’re above Aug
sacred lantern
To be fair, Survival only doesn’t equip their new tier in AoE builds. In ST, the current Survival set is really strong. But yes, feels bad.
fiery storm
nothing feels worse from an avg players perspective when u see ppl similarly geared popping off in the 650k+ range and i cant touch that to save my life ...... would ahve to be such a big pull to pull that off for me
in M+
got to 700k once but the pull was so big my computer almost broke
frank dawn
ret paladins make me just want to afk tbh
obtuse steeple
ret paladins make me just want to afk tbh
yeah we should be tanks tbh .
wintry smelt
Hi, is fury good? I was thinking of playing it
olive wraith
It’s not good but it’s pretty fun imo
Although I’m in the arms bandwagon this season
wintry smelt
I been playing for a year now and only played ret, maybe I give arms a go
frank dawn
what uptime are yall simming your BSL
oblique trail
what uptime are yall simming your BSL
Like 50%
I personally have very good raid healers (when they dont try to kill me), so I could prob increase it, but don't play around with it too much to keep it consistent
frank dawn
yeh I was thinking 50-60 was reasonable/realistic
vivid moth
Brother I’ve been doing 30%
polar trail
Is double bsl the recommended setup for embels?
willow patrol
vers wrists?
frank dawn
interestingly to me BSL and Flame Patch are simming within .3% for me at 60% uptime
sullen dove
you could have a lot of mastery and so the extra mast isnt as beneficial cause it dr's
might be interesting to swap some of your stats from mast to like verse or something else and see if it says the same
willow patrol
To be fair, Survival only doesn’t equip their new tier in AoE builds. In ST, the...
sorry for pinging t20 min later, but do you know how they compare to other specs in ST?
I could check the class rankings on wowlogs, but that feels quite inaccuratre so far
2 survival hunters top 100
1 marksman lmao
celest sierra
critcake doing 6m as arms in algathar... okay blizzard thanks for fury buff
compact flint
Miss bladestorm with fury warriors in 2021. Just to be able to spin to win in pve or pvp makes it fun.
mental rune
I'm glad it's coming back in TWW
thorny sparrow
i miss odyn's fury
compact flint
Ravager is the worst talent skill in my opinion.
noble frost
Does the new class tuning do anything significant for us?
compact flint
Well nobody knows til they apply it to test it out.
young swan
Does the new class tuning do anything significant for us?
makes us better for m+, likely very little change in raid
noble frost
Ah i see
But would fury be better than arms in m+?
Say on an tyrannical week
Either way thanks for the heads up
young swan
probably just dungeon dependant atp
sudden tusk
Now I need a second weppy for testing...
noble frost
Ah aye
Will try them out meself then
Big thanks for the answers
still swift
@young swan having a copy pasta about u in ur own status is weird af!!
young swan
still swift
fix it this second or else
young swan
still swift
thorny sparrow
how is the Arms rotation compared to fury
oak garden
obtuse steeple
how is the Arms rotation compared to fury
little bit hard , you have to watch your rage and swing timers . if you slam while you have to MS you are ruined boy .
sick viper
arms is shit gameplay
shy knot
i miss odyn's fury
Ngl same
I missed AM but not ravager
Btw fury dead last on ranking above aug lol
tender cairn
sweet vessel
Buffs are too weaksauce, is that the general concensus I'm picking up ?
young swan
I feel like they're fine
anyone who expected them to buff fury up to arms level, or anywhere close for that matter, is smoking some shit
south kayak
tender cairn
south kayak
They don’t care about that
young swan
the fact of the matter is that it literally does not matter even a little bit
south kayak
It doesn’t matter
shy knot
<:keks:936231610850897992>
tender cairn
why enjoy big sword bonkig
young swan
but also
tender cairn
when u can enjoy 2 big sword bonking
tender cairn
🧠
south kayak
and probably mm
Hope no one gets nerfed tbh, it’s fated season
young swan
Hope no one gets nerfed tbh, it’s fated season
i hope so too but also i would not give a single fuck if they did
tender cairn
tender cairn
I need to give prot a try
south kayak
i hope so too but also i would not give a single fuck if they did
Didn’t realize devastation was owning
Barely seen any.
Where are they
tender cairn
being aug slaves
south kayak
The reason devs owns could because of how their spec plays
If bosses die faster
They’ll deal obscene damage
So idk if that’s nerf worthy
It’s just the raids being shit easy rn
Why is mm so strong
Unrelated but it’s so easy to just go on an alt and go in raid to get 2 bullions and buy an item
Alts stonks
tender cairn
not sure what to buy on boomie tho
south kayak
Reroll