fury

[sullen dove]

[lofty scroll]

Don’t they buff recklessness too?

[long smelt]

btr than nth

[oblique trail]

It doesn't

[white quest]

From what i gathered "So little they might as well not have done anything at all"

[marsh kiln]

BL and aura buff would solve the issue

[oblique trail]

It just makes it give 50 rage when you use it

[sullen dove]

It could still function if it was worth a damn

[mild thunder]

Reck is a pretty weak cooldown for Fury on its own.

[marsh kiln]

Were F tier in dps but atleast we would have more utility

[lofty scroll]

I thought they said all

[sullen dove]

but the abilities don’t do enough damage to beat 3x more recks/with berserkers torment avatars and ravagers with hurricane

[lofty scroll]

Oh well

[sullen dove]

just keep stacking Mickey Mouse damage modifier buffs

soon fury will have its own identity of damage

[clever path]

so is fury worth still playing over arms with this buff

[candid falcon]

I guess that's alright. Still wish we were season 3 gaming

[mild thunder]

Fury hasn't been worth playing this season.

[zealous condor]

if you find fury fun yes

[sullen dove]

in m+ yeah good case to be made for either, not so much in raid but it rly doesn’t matter

[long smelt]

if u only m+ sure fury is fine

[olive wraith]

Fury might be slightly higher in m+

[mild thunder]

This will make it better in M+. Still gimped in raid.

[dapper goblet]

you guys cannot cry about buffs when you cried all of season 3 asking for them (fury was good)

this is karma

pay for your sins

[long smelt]

if u wanna raid just dont

go arms

[sullen dove]

xeos flip flopping more than a fish

[white quest]

I have sayed that for so long. Why the fuck would you ever take a fury warrior with you that has a hardcap on AoE DPS (outside of thunderous) when you can just take a paladin that drags its ball across the keyboard and spams their AoE+has battlerez+immunitys+offheal capabilitys

[past pivot]

Fury was 10-15% behind Arms before this "buff".

[white quest]

Another S3 coper go get him!

[zealous condor]

dont say that

[sullen dove]

it’s single ball 😭

[candid falcon]

next expansion we're getting 20 second Shockwave so that's pretty good

[zealous condor]

everyone will tell u about shockwave fear and stormbolt

[mild thunder]

I simmed 310k with S3, 305k with S2, and 338k with Arms. lol

[tulip bear]

everyone who voted for S2 is to blame for this mess

[sullen dove]

GET THEM

[lofty scroll]

What if they fixed the caps. Not removing it but increase it hahah

[marsh kiln]

Just go play arms

[subtle lagoon]

Blizzard is to blame

[zealous condor]

[olive wraith]

I’ll probably come back to fury

[long smelt]

blame blizzard

[candid falcon]

ngl I got used to the s3 playstyle so going back has been really hard (I am getting used to the rotation again)

[random raptor]

It has nothing to do with which set won but blizzard tuning poorly though?

[olive wraith]

This closes the gap enough in m+

[subtle lagoon]

They clearly don't know how to tune properly

[olive wraith]

And raid has been giga easy

[long smelt]

they wanted to pass responsibility for fkcing up s4 to the players

[subtle lagoon]

Or they're too scared to hurt their favorite classes

[weak grail]

i'd like to play the game not go into sleeping mode, but thanks sir

[long smelt]

cause they arent putting so much effort into it

[white quest]

Ouh yeah same because the S3 was so completly different from what fury was before it feelt wrong. Just another point as to why i disliked S3

[long smelt]

so why take the heat themselves choosing a tier set

[fair star]

Arms is harder

[tulip bear]

S2 playstyle sucked and SHOCKER they tuned it poorly

[long smelt]

when they can throw it to ppl

and if its bad

[fair star]

Lets hope we get more buffs

[long smelt]

its the players fault

[stable cove]

arms is harder but less fun imo

[mild thunder]

S2 playstyle was fine, but it was tuned badly in S2.

[random raptor]

s2 playstyle BANGS

[lofty scroll]

Please 🙏

[frosty scroll]

s2 set

[white quest]

Ayo no S2 slaner. S2 playstyle was banger.

[long smelt]

again it aint about playstyle

[mild thunder]

I played Arms on, like, every fight that mattered.

[wanton mirage]

We do doom a lot for a meme season. I will admit.

[long smelt]

i enjoyed s2 but the dmg sucked

[fair star]

It is when they said theyll tune the sets

[edgy widget]

you all doom a lot period

[marsh kiln]

Cant wait for twe

[lofty scroll]

Haha

[marsh kiln]

Tww

[long smelt]

ppl keep bringing up playstyle

[dapper goblet]

real

[oblique trail]

The amount of dooming doesn't change between seasons regardless of the state of the class

[random raptor]

Signet or augury for second bullion purchase sir?

[sullen dove]

xeos #1 doomer

[weak grail]

it's that a late april's fool joke? both specs are easy

[mild thunder]

I still hate the target cap, and kind of want double Bladestorm + MBG back for M+.

[fickle bluff]

eranog ring

[sullen dove]

can we get bazed’s opinion on the buff

i will follow his opinion

[dapper goblet]

the only doomers in here recently are the season 3 voters..

[sullen dove]

[olive wraith]

And have zero st?

[fair star]

Arms you gotta learn when to press cleave when executes keep track of rage and OP

Fury u raging blow into rampage

[slender perch]

all fine lets just have fun whit our S2 set as fury and play the rest of the season arms

[sullen dove]

s1 voter…

[dapper goblet]

[weak grail]

still easy

[dapper goblet]

s1 set owned

[sullen dove]

[random raptor]

really?

[fair star]

Fury is like 10 times easier tho

[edgy widget]

depends if you get Augury this week or not - probably Eranog Ring first, since there are other usable trinkets, but you can sim yourself

[sullen dove]

surely they could’ve buffed and made it relevant

[mild thunder]

We were pretty strong in ST in Shadowlands from S2 onward.

[sullen dove]

500% execute damage

[fair star]

You dont have to do anything just raging blow into rampage

[abstract hill]

any new sim numbers with fury buff?

[long smelt]

i mean u make it sound like s2 voters would be doomers so ofc doomers are mainly s3

[sullen dove]

400k

[wild mica]

are we getting 2x bullions this week?

[long smelt]

like what are u on about

[chrome plover]

no

[weak grail]

if fury is a 2 out of 10 on difficulty, arms is a 3 so still easy

[dapper goblet]

raidbots has a droptimizer for the bullion gear

[mild thunder]

Killing Fyrakk. Get new augury.

[lofty scroll]

Just 1

[fair star]

Fury is 1 out of 10 on difficulty

[weak grail]

then arms is a 2

mb

[fair star]

Arms is not 2

[edgy widget]

I mean Arms rotation isn't "hard" but it is definitely bloated beyond all reason and meaning and gets jumbled in MT because of it

it's easy to handwave "still easy" (what exactly in WoW is hard?) because it's not the hardest thing in the world, but it's still just downright annoying

[chrome plover]

both 0/10

[long smelt]

besides s2 voters who have regrets arent gonna say anything lol

[steep fable]

ehhh, the m+ rotation is clunky af

[random raptor]

What do you use to sim for m+? @edgy widget

[covert blaze]

@hasty path smoking on that brm pack

[fair star]

What archi said ^^

[long smelt]

they just go play arms

[sullen dove]

@dapper goblet pov

[hasty path]

Don’t come to peak of serenity tomorrow… you’re alright

[olive wraith]

Anecdotally a lot of s2 voters swapped to arms

[wanton mirage]

Masterplan

[dapper goblet]

s1 was good..

[frosty scroll]

Im a fury otp so fk what yall talking about

[sullen dove]

3% dmg buff tier…

[dapper goblet]

so fun..

[mild thunder]

At least S3 Fury gets a 3% Aura buff. ;)

[junior tiger]

what was s1 tier doing again?

[white quest]

It was like 2% away from beeing a DPS loss?!!?

[edgy widget]

these "easy" arguments are kinda bs imo, because none of the rotations in WoW are hard - they're not meant to be hard, this isn't a fuckin fighting game with complex combo inputs

[dapper goblet]

and

fun is fun

[fickle bluff]

me when execute crit chance buffed to 45% on the 7th week of fury being bottom dps (this time itll do something for sure)

[sullen dove]

Just more sudden deaths

that’s it

and exe did a little more dmg

[covert blaze]

@dapper goblet you're safe for now..

they delivered...

[dapper goblet]

you're not though

[ashen socket]

Wait really? Game isn't hard if I hit my buttons in the right order?

[mild thunder]

Execute was just a rage generator. It did about the same damage as Crushing Blow pre-buff.

[edgy widget]

the real secret is realizing that you can hit your buttons in the completely wrong order and still usually perform at ~90-95% depending on the spec lol

[lofty delta]

lol @people witchhunting which tier bonus got voted and not blizzards dogshit balancing.

[tulip bear]

why would you expect themk to balance them properly

[weak grail]

that´s my point, class gameplay is not hard when u play enough time so what is the point on saying go play another spec because the other one can be more "challenging", it's all about if u like the playstyle or not, the pace

[edgy widget]

tbf anyone who trusted things would be "perfectly balanced" were already fooling themselves, not to mention that all the aura buffs in the world weren't gonna save S1 or S2 sets just because of the way tehy work

[median token]

S3 voter, playing arms, sue me!!

[dapper goblet]

so true..

go off king

[white quest]

WoWs difficulty in class gameplay imo is that the game itself does VERY little to explain the different abilitys to you and in what order your supposed to press them.

FF has a very neat system with the combos making it clear what you are supposed to press together. But if a new player gets thrown into wow they first have to look up online guides on what buttons to press and which buttons are even relevant at all.

[ashen socket]

Yeah I don't think I played s3 correctly and I managed to get some good logs hard for me to understand how people can be so far behind

[covert blaze]

all these languages and you chose to speak facts

[junior tiger]

it shouldnt have matter which set was voted, they said the "winner" set will be as strong as all the other specs' tiers

[subtle lagoon]

Moral of the story don't trust a fucking thing they say

[lofty scroll]

That’s what I said yesterday too lol

[fair star]

You may have to look up guides but it isnt complex

[mild thunder]

Tbf, Blizzard had no idea what they were doing with S2 Fury, so it's not surprising S4 came out weak as shit again.

[weak grail]

i´ve never trusted blizzard but still keeps disapointing

[edgy widget]

that's what you call a "tribal knowledge" issue; but sure - I agree the burden to entry is high on new players, even if that's not exactly a matter of being "hard"

Though lets not pretend that Final Fantasy is any different, it's really not. In some ways its actually worse, given its obscene priority lists

[restive peak]

^^^^^^^^ can we just pin this

[balmy shore]

hardest part about ff14 is not falling asleep between ur gcds

[restive peak]

Been saying that shit to people for ages and the tears continue maaaan

[long smelt]

ppl who still think bliz can balance properly are funny

[restive peak]

FF14 too slow man

D:

[long smelt]

classes that are balanced well is pure luck

[wild mica]

if you fall asleep between your gcd you miss all the ogcd shit you need to press

[covert blaze]

main problem with ffxiv is that the rotations are very static cause 95% of the specs don't have rng proc stuff

[oblique trail]

FF14 has Machinist which is basically weaving off GCDs between your GCDs

[median token]

I trust blizzard, sony and EA

[oblique trail]

Very fast paced and prob the most fun spec in that game

[kindred swallow]

i tried playing black mage there and im simply unable

[olive wraith]

I wonder what they would’ve done to s3

[oblique trail]

But yeah the long GCD in that game takes a while to get used to

[wild mica]

honestly you get used to it pretty fast

[long smelt]

tbf they could have fkced up s3

[edgy widget]

I mean, I'm not gonna pick a fight over it, but I've played FF14 and fundamentally disagree with the idea that "FF makes it very clear what's supposed to be pressed together" - maybe a couple of buttons/classes do, but some of the priorities are far more complicated than anything WoW has

[celest sierra]

We just have to start an up cry loud enough for blizzard to have to hear us. 3% buff isn’t enough my brudas

[quiet geyser]

Well, they CAN. Whether they chose to is a different topic 😛

[balmy shore]

(i was making a joke i didn’t mean to tilt anyone LOL)

[white quest]

THat is a statement that can only be made when you have not played at max lvl on any of the faster classes. Anybody telling me Ninja/Monk play to slow for them must be on so mutch caffein that their heart is about to explode.

[restive peak]

3 monsters a day bro

[median token]

even if fury set was amazing, DHs being so op and always pulling huge would fuck fury

[restive peak]

ADHD charts broken by me

DH got nerfed pretty good honestly

[covert blaze]

this is your fault jackie

[olive wraith]

Prot warrior looks like it got giga buffed

[mild thunder]

Fury target cap is still pain.

[oblique trail]

The DH nerf was good, but fundamentally the elephant in the room is the amount of CC you need in dungeons

Which made DH so broken

[restive peak]

Agreed

[marsh kiln]

3 monsters a day is barely more than daily caffeine recommention

[balmy shore]

[wild mica]

i just wish fury was king at 5 targets... if we're going to be capped we should dominate that bracket

[marble schooner]

i dont understand why everybody thought we would get "S2 but good" while voting

[mild thunder]

Me neither. lol

[summer quail]

how dare you make jokes!!!!

[marble schooner]

S3 was clearly the option then, and its even clearer now

[long smelt]

i think its just whoever is working on which class. they def dont have a dedicated dev to a spec so i think its russian roulette if u get the dev that actually gets ur spec

[mild thunder]

We were o.k. in M+ in S2 as Fury, but it was really bad in raid.

[restive peak]

I got flamed to the dirt for what you're all realizing now during the vote lol

[long smelt]

whoever did s2 didnt

[lofty scroll]

Yup that’s the next thing we got to worry about cause there’s like 3 dungeons where higher up keys pull big haha

[restive peak]

It was clear we'd be S2 again, decent cleave, awful ST

[mild thunder]

I played it on Mythic Echo because we had add damage issues.

[restive peak]

S3 was good cleave, awesome ST

[olive wraith]

I was in the same boat friend

[long smelt]

they didnt fix the problem with s2 at all

[chrome plover]

if people are used to playing wow, esp fury, they are gonna think ff is slow regardless, as far as i can tell monk in ff is like 40cpm which is akin to evoker (the slowest spec in wow)

[restive peak]

We were the chosen ones

[rose bay]

ay fury warrior buffs

[olive wraith]

Bring it back pls blizz

[steep fable]

daily affirmation: at least we aren't survival who didn't even get a sniff

[white quest]

I just meant for beginners. Its CDs are also a bit more self explenatory imo.

Maybe not compared to fury as lets be all real for a moment fury is probably one of the easiest speccs in wow, but some classes in wow just have like so mutch button bloat that even long time wow players struggle to pick them up if they have not mained them for a long time.

[austere drift]

i didnt even care about the tuning when i voted since i knew they wouldnt do it properly i just hate how boring the set bonus is to play, press button when weakaura light up wooo

[celest sierra]

It’s more like an uff then buff

[olive wraith]

I’ll buy a token if you give me s3 tier

[edgy widget]

S3 was almost as strong as S2 in MT, with infinitely better priority and self sustain

• everything said against it was just smear from people who didn't like Annihilator... which I get, but pretending S2 was ever gonna "save Fury" was such a crock lol

[drifting copper]

Same brosef

[chrome plover]

so real, survival has been my main alt for a long time

[rose bay]

me no think archi says vote s3 me vote s3

[edgy widget]

again, this concept of "easy vs hard" doesn't really exist when no specs rotation in WoW is "hard" - they're not meant to be

And FF rotations have infinitely more button bloat than any class in WoW

[restive peak]

Yeeeep lol, we tried so hard man.

[oblique trail]

Haven't tried Surv yet, but MM fucks hard

[balmy shore]

i just hated annihilator but i feel unsafe saying that here

[rose bay]

who am i gunna trust my own dumbass or the person who writes all the guides

[mild thunder]

S2 never felt like it had boss damage compared to S3. The S3 bonuses were so much stronger and more frequent out of the box after RA got buffed.

[oblique trail]

Genuine dopamine with big packs and CDs rolling

[olive wraith]

Man the amount of silly shit I lived through in s3

Was so fun

[mild thunder]

Plus the huge Execute damage spike on S3 feels good.

[chrome plover]

i stand with you

[long smelt]

lmao u can hate annihilator its fine

[restive peak]

All specs in WoW are incredibly easy to learn, literally go pick any class and play it for 3-4 hrs on a dummy and you'll be like "oh, this makes sense"

[fickle bluff]

speak ur shit queen, straight facts

[restive peak]

Which is good, the rotations shouldn't be difficult, the fights should be

[balmy shore]

🫶

[edgy widget]

fine to hate it, but most people who hate it do so disingenuously - saying shit like "lol 2 button rotation" when S2 is the exact same thing

[summer quail]

same

[restive peak]

Just someone explain to me

[clever escarp]

screw that talent main reason why i voted s2 and i would proudly do it again

[long smelt]

but s2 is bad

[restive peak]

Why hitting RB feels better than slam

[long smelt]

forcing bt in there

[balmy shore]

still like how s2 plays over s3 way more it’s just dog in raid

[restive peak]

Because that was the only diff to annhil

[balmy shore]

idk

[marsh kiln]

I would switch mains from warrior but then again i have so much progress on my char

[olive wraith]

“The animation”

[restive peak]

I just truly don't understand it

[mild thunder]

Give Slam a big animation and sound effect. Right now it feels like hitting Wild Strike.

[marsh kiln]

So ill play whats best currently

[supple tangle]

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/dragonflight-class-tuning-incoming-may-7/1846788

Is this gonna be enough to bring fury back up from the buttom?

[marble schooner]

Oh for sure, I prefer S3 gameplay A LOT, the only downside is that it made us cd-window dependant

[marsh kiln]

For warrior

[stable cove]

eu playerbase killed fury this tier by voting s2 now they’re huffing copium and pretending like s2 is fun

[oblique trail]

Typically it's just the fact you can spam RB and not weave (at least typically the only thing being brought up that makes any bit of sense)

[long smelt]

u will beat aug

[wild mica]

people dont hate annhi they hate storm of swords

[stable cove]

no

[restive peak]

I do not give a fuck what my attack looks or sounds like, I care about my performance and being able to play my class

[tranquil nimbus]

those buffs feel more like an insult

[left perch]

hey guys any doomers

[stable cove]

yessir hi

[restive peak]

S2 is the less skill required, face rolly version...if you prefer that, that's fine, but just say that

[balmy shore]

ya that’s a dumb reason

[olive wraith]

It’s a decent buff to m+

[restive peak]

Because again skill isn't a big gap here anyway but that's def the reason

[steep fable]

yup. Throughput is all that matters, change my mind

[spice sage]

most stuff is account wide now though? I quit my dk of 15 years in abberrus to play warrior because of the state that was in. don't regret it, felt miserable playing something I disliked

[median token]

Fury will get better, it scales really well with more gear!!1!111

[dapper goblet]

🥴

[slender perch]

S2 set is 5 min of boss fight into wrist pain into bottom of dps sounds fun af

[marsh kiln]

Im talking about rio/logs

[balmy shore]

s3 is the same difficulty as s2 is it not…

[marble schooner]

fr, if anything S2 is worse as it is so same button spamy, at least on S3 it had a flow with it

[fickle bluff]

this is the most disingenuous thing you can say about annihilator

[restive peak]

S3 was more punishing for mistakes

[left perch]

Not enough of what I need is account wide, TWW gonna help it tho for sure

[olive wraith]

S3 is slightly harder

[restive peak]

S2 is just Ramp EOGCD and spam RB>press BT every 10s or so

[marble schooner]

anyways Im rerolling for now, hope TWW gameplay is great

[restive peak]

S3 had bigger "gaps" in performance

[olive wraith]

But again back on archi comment. Both are relatively easy

[balmy shore]

that’s like comparing a red apple to a slightly redder apple like i don’t see the big difference in skill gap

[restive peak]

^

[glad coyote]

Fury
All ability damage increased by 3%.
Season 4 Set Bonus (2): Rampage damage and critical strike chance increased by 15% (was 12%).
Season 4 Set Bonus (4): Bloodthirst bonus damage increased to 35% per stack (was 30%).

[restive peak]

But the point remains you did better damage

[marsh kiln]

I can play 6classes but i have most progress on warr so i play warr and i dont want to reroll mainly for that reason

[dapper goblet]

dont believe their lies

[white quest]

Sounds fun to me. I like sending my CDs often.

[marsh kiln]

Every other class is my alt

[balmy shore]

xd

[restive peak]

And had a tankier class

[glad coyote]

not bad

maybe we needed more

[median token]

maybe?

[glad coyote]

but good changes for m+ at least

[long smelt]

bt -> rampage vs rb -> rampage but bt one bad

[austere drift]

i enjoyed the flow feeling a lot, was jarring to go back

[tranquil nimbus]

you could macro BB and Rampage into one button. I don t know chief

[long smelt]

lol

[restive peak]

Noone doing that was top performing, that's like saying I can get CE with Hekili and pretending you'll be Revvez

[median token]

cake said 2.2%, correct?

[celest sierra]

You know what the biggest insult is ? Blizz saying “ we have continued to CLOSELY monitor” before announcing the buffs . They ain’t monitoring shit

[median token]

we back!!

[restive peak]

Also S3 was only a 2 button spec in cooldowns

S2 is a 2 button spec 24/7

[clever escarp]

i am hardest s3 hater on this planet but thats bullcrap and lie

[restive peak]

It's just faceroll as fuck

[hushed walrus]

Funny to hear players s2 is easy
Take 3 wars => 3 differents dps
🤡

[marble schooner]

maybe now we beat Aug on ST

[marsh kiln]

Another arms enjoyer!

[long smelt]

they prolly just checked the forum ytd and were like ok fine just buff them a bit

[chrome plover]

i feel like difficulty absolutely shouldnt even be a discussion lmfao

[long smelt]

hopefully they stop complaining

[chrome plover]

fury is not a hard spec

[edgy widget]

of course I'm also gonna go ahead and remind yall that these vehement opinions - shit like "I hate pressing Slam" or those who literally cannot stand the idea of stopping pressing keys for 2s during Bladestorm instead of Ravager is exactly what keeps Blizz so gun shy about making real changes that affect gameplay

The more people scream and cry while refusing to even try anything that isn't their ideal, the more Blizz is just going to stick to the status quo and never try more than one thing

I am literally fighting tooth and nail right now to try to get them to actually give hero specs different playstyles... and I'm really afraid they simply won't do it because someone is going to lose their mind over the idea of having to press BT over RB or vice versa, because it isn't their perfect preference

[tranquil nimbus]

how so ?

[chrome plover]

and neither set makes it hard

[wraith hazel]

[wild mica]

until you get 0 resets then there's a third button. It's quite complex

[median token]

let fury equip two legendaries and make them stack

[slender perch]

all the people yapping now that S2 is so nice and S3 felt bad to play etc. playing arms anyway

[white quest]

Warrior without Anger Management feels ass and i will die on that hill if necessary. For that alone S3 was garbage

[clever escarp]

nah

[olive wraith]

Getting super unlucky and spamming ww feels awful too

[wild mica]

just wait until RA sims higher and we go back to early season 1 playstyle

[median token]

22 academies no box, some1 save me

[olive wraith]

I would love this

[celest sierra]

My post from yesturday worked 😂😂

[wraith hazel]

I was a s3 hater and s2 enjoyer until I got s2 back again. Man I miss odyns fury, it felt right

[tranquil nimbus]

you don t know that, i've met plenty of peopl eusing hekili who are CE

[cursive hazel]

warrior with anger management feels like ass since your cds dont feel like your cds if you constantly have them

[restive peak]

Only positive to S2 for me is I can spam WW between pulls again

[restive peak]

That was my point, you can do it and you won't be a top performer

[wild mica]

spamming ww is just comfy, never not pressing a button

[olive wraith]

Lmao this is the realest win

[wild mica]

even out of combat

[restive peak]

So you can use the 2 button macro and get CE, but you're definitely not doing the best you could

My ADHD missed the WW spam fr

[white quest]

If i'd want to play a 2 minute burst bitch i'd play Ret paladin and bring actuall utility and more DPS to the table.

[wild mica]

all those times you're stuck out of melee range but ww still hits

[restive peak]

WW ALWAYS hits

[celest sierra]

I feel like having a cd on ww helped folks with their rotations cause now they not spamming it missing out on crucial gcds

[olive wraith]

Good thing we’re a 1.5min class

[slender perch]

wdym nah 3k pars to 10k on arms

[edgy widget]

it's like using heroic throw, you're often better saving the GCD and not proccing all your stuff while out of range 😆

[spiral idol]

whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh, whoosh

[cursive hazel]

its almost like 90 sec isnt equal to 120 sec

[tranquil nimbus]

how does that macro prevent you from being top performer?

[celest sierra]

There IS THE REAL PROBLEM. They need to buff our attack range lmao

[wild mica]

best you get is they nerf everyone elses

[cloud shale]

is it actually better to not use heroic throw than to use? what are you losing? ive always been pressing it on Larodar

[edgy widget]

uh.. it doesn't matter how large your attack range is, there's always a point where you get out of range

[olive wraith]

You wouldn’t min max the rage threshold using the max or afaik

[restive peak]

Go look into it and you'll figure it out my friend, this is not a debate I'm going to go down again, we did this to nauseating degrees when it first game out

[wraith hazel]

mmm long arms fury

[spiral idol]

I heard a rumor they were going to be normalizing attack ranges for melee classes in TWW? Not sure if true

[buoyant salmon]

thats bc getting ce really isnt that hard on an individual level

[wild mica]

its not a rumor they removed all added range talents

[spiral idol]

sick

[restive peak]

Hope they do, most of the melee specs are gonna faceplant over and over having to play at our range

[buoyant salmon]

(i didnt get ce for amirdrassil lol)

[spiral idol]

get fucked, ret

[spice sage]

did they make ret a melee spec yet

[restive peak]

CHOCO GOT CHEATED DON'T DOWNPLAY YOURSELF WE LOVE YOU @buoyant salmon

[celest sierra]

I’m just jealous that rets can still spam abilities from range meanwhile I gotta wait for whatever swirly happening to finish lmao

[tranquil nimbus]

and where do i find that

[ashen socket]

How tho

[restive peak]

youtube, google, search the discord to 6 months ago

[wraith hazel]

ret kinda been down the drain for several expansions, let em have some fun

[buoyant salmon]

guild no play

[wild mica]

i played with a 100% melee comp last season and the ret was our ranged player for ranged mechs because of this lol

[celest sierra]

😂😂😂😂

[cloud shale]

is it actually better to not use heroic throw than to use? what are you losing? ive always been pressing it on Larodar

[restive peak]

It can proc your on hits etc Reeb

[spiral idol]

yall have heroic throw on your hotbar?

[restive peak]

While you're out of range

[marsh kiln]

They should just buff heroic throw by 10% should fix the issue of low dps

[olive wraith]

Can we talk about the bs of 8 hour server downtime tomorrow

[lofty scroll]

Yeah I was right. I think 🤔 so do it mean they buffed recklessness aswell?

[olive wraith]

I wanna check my vault before work

[restive peak]

Ye tm sucks

[balmy shore]

heroic throw for when we have to stand out of mechanics

get that lil drop of damage baby

[celest sierra]

Only thing I ever heard Heroic throw for was the Jailor Weapon on Eye of the Jailor cause it always spawned the soul over the edge -_-

[frosty scroll]

do u c the word recklessness anywhere in there lol

[celest sierra]

Ever used *

[spiral idol]

i just whirlwind spam til the mechanics are over

[median token]

heroic throwers before charge rise

[lofty scroll]

I see all abilities….

[frosty scroll]

reck doesnt deal dmg itself mate

[marsh kiln]

I use heroic throw to pull more packs than necessary because tank pulls too lottle

[austere drift]

wait i didnt realize this until reading this i hope it randomly comes up early and doesnt take all that time

[long smelt]

obv we should talent wrecking throw so we can hit harder from range

[marsh kiln]

And i want big dam

[lofty scroll]

Ahhh ok 👌

[wispy dock]

I heroic throw to pull extra mobs when the tank is a bitch and pulls little

[buoyant salmon]

it buffs the damage of the aura

[celest sierra]

Also here’s a question why does charge cancel out our axe on use . If sometimes I accidentally hit charge with axe and it isn’t a cancelled axe and out sit on cd

[buoyant salmon]

the spells that are on the aura are somewhere on wowhead

[edgy widget]

yes

should pretty much always use a GCD between charge and axe to ensure it doesn't cancel; you don't have to be that deliberate, but it's a good habit to protect yourself

[median token]

did any1 here already died at last HoI using the leg during intermission knockup?

fun

[random raptor]

If I only play fury, should my bullion focus be:
Augury -> Ashkandur -> Signet brand -> diuna?

[wild mica]

they fixed that, i did it yesterday and it still picked me up

[clever path]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-explorer-gif-24879124

[austere drift]

no but ive died to the adds not channeling and just running it down my pathway before anyone has even gotten back

[restive peak]

Do you only raid? Siggy brand honestly probably lower prio unless you ONLY raid, cuz bosses are dying in 2-3m already

[edgy widget]

Ring >= Augury > Cloak > Signet/Anvil/Puzzlebox > Ashkandur
trinket buys really depend on what other trinkets you're using; can prio Ashkandur higher if you already have good trinkets and no decent OH weapon

Also cloak is a good buy if you're not pushing the absolute highest 1-shot keys

[random raptor]

I'm pushing high keys and I raid

[restive peak]

Like how far apart os Aug/Puzzle vs Aug/Sig?

[random raptor]

Thanks guys

[restive peak]

Aug/Puzzle likely the play if you do all IMO, I'll be grabbing an augury once we get through a few more bullion items

[celest sierra]

My bullion route was gunna be augrey- and then Dur and eranog ri bff

[wild mica]

isnt nokhud trinket also decent ST?

[restive peak]

Cant wait for ring

[wild mica]

worst case scenario just get that

[restive peak]

Surely the 2 bullion quest tm

RIGHT

[edgy widget]

Yeah even Anvil might get outmoded pretty quick 💀

[olive wraith]

I can’t wait for gnarlroot this week

[cursive hazel]

is hero ashkandur always worse than a myth offhander with decent stats or is it a sim angle

[edgy widget]

I doubt it

[olive wraith]

S2 is actually great for that fight

[lofty scroll]

Awesome 😎

[modest condor]

sim angle

[restive peak]

Yep lol, we are crushing and it's fun haha

[marsh kiln]

For arms lego -> eranog ring -> trinks?

[restive peak]

Same but man would that be nice

[modest condor]

hc ash was simming like 1.5% ahead of myth track oh for me

[wild mica]

It's 100% happening

[marsh kiln]

For the bullion

[edgy widget]

Yeah HC Ash offhand is fine

[cursive hazel]

ok so i inted taking myth weapon first vault

but other options were even worse

[restive peak]

If it helps bro

I took 2 sockets

Feelsgoodman

[olive wraith]

I shoulda grabbed socket

[drifting copper]

These buffs don’t seem like they’re gonna make up the dps loss I get by swapping to new tier/build..

[wild mica]

speaking of sockets.. how far behind is lariat?

[olive wraith]

Small boost to st. Decent boost for m+

[edgy widget]

small boost to both tbh

[south kayak]

Arms ST in M+ is so bad that fury's AoE build does more ST

[olive wraith]

Not really. Arms does decent st still

[restive peak]

Arms execute is absolutely cracked though

Like I giga fuck bosses 35-0

[cloud shale]

what would be the next ST trinket after signet and anvil

[olive wraith]

It’s just fury st before buff is abysmal

[cloud shale]

if they die so quickly

[dusk jackal]

The thing I like about whirlwind is that if mechanics force me to run away from something, I can still hit the target with my back to it with whirlwind.

[unreal onyx]

fury changelog, can I get a tldr if we're still down abysmally?

[south kayak]

I don't know why they keep buffing the 4p little by little, this barely helps anything

35% on 4p is useless idk

[restive peak]

Trinkets are weird this tier, like OCE/Whispering sim very high but also depend on your group having them

Signet+anvil rely on long fights, so barely actually needed

[drifting copper]

I take 15% loss in dungeon slice swapping to new talents. What they buffed will not make the build viable. New 4p running annihilator is a small increase. Won’t everyone just keep running that.

[unreal onyx]

also why did desto get buffed? aren't they very good in m+?

[robust widget]

warlock

[restive peak]

Destro ST honestly wasn't great, but also yes they're warlocks

[south kayak]

Yes. Suspicious choice to buff Destro

[restive peak]

If you want buffs, reroll lock/mage

[wild mica]

their aoe is insane, their ST needed it

[restive peak]

Mage if you like M+

[south kayak]

Their ST is great wtf

[marsh kiln]

No one likes mages if u pug

[clever path]

is beacon good for fury or is like a good trinket overall

[marsh kiln]

Mage is only good if u want to be a reject

[restive peak]

But if you want a team for M+ mages are BIS

[marsh kiln]

Like fury warr

[dapper goblet]

the worst part of them buffing the crit chance on tier is now we have to do more math..

hate it here..

[restive peak]

Ye destro down bad man

[marsh kiln]

Aug bottom

Lol

[unreal onyx]

what math? I go by ka-ching

[restive peak]

The fact that fury was barely above aug LEWL

[dapper goblet]

i dont use that wa

[wild mica]

evoker sandwich

[restive peak]

So fuckin bad dude

[robust widget]

set ka-ching to 40% and hear it every time 😎

[dapper goblet]

i am a TMW gamer

[graceful bay]

I mean this buff does kind of help the annihilator build a bit, so there's that

[dapper goblet]

and only use WA's for raid fights

[restive peak]

Xeos plays off emotions

And he's BIS

[dapper goblet]

i really do

i play in the moment

no clue of what happens at what times

[fast mural]

It would have been so funny if fury got outdpsed by Aug

[restive peak]

He feels the buff hit 100 and just knows man

You wouldn't get it

[dapper goblet]

just where i am in the fight

i take form

like water

[restive peak]

That's our voodoo warrior

[lyric cobalt]

where can I find the tuning changes?

[lofty scroll]

Scroll up

[lean wasp]

we need more buff 3% not enough

[restive peak]

Gonna do a 15 ulda as fury

[lean wasp]

15% good

[restive peak]

Just to prove this shit is fine for M+

[buoyant salmon]

linc

u dont have md utility

key is impossible

gg

[wild mica]

all the juicy reflects in ulda though

[restive peak]

GGWP go next

[forest owl]

we making moves, we on the up everyone holy shhhiiii

[lofty scroll]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-dragonflight-class-tuning-on-weekly-reset-vengeance-dh-nerf-balance-339230

[graceful bay]

Wait.....but fury has always been fine for m+.

[marsh kiln]

It was fine

Not great

Not greatest

Not good either

[olive wraith]

I low key miss how tanky fury is

[marsh kiln]

S3

[graceful bay]

Ya but that literally means it's going to be competitive for all but the .01%.

[marsh kiln]

Damn druids sabotaged us

With their bots

[olive wraith]

Not this again

[civic radish]

When do we use legendary now with s4 set? Hard to find no CD windows now

[wild mica]

i've gotten M+ title on specs that were in a MUCH worse position than fury is now. We'll be fine

[graceful bay]

I'm aware, it's certainly much better than my poor enhancememt

Damage cap ftw yeeeee

[nimble valve]

how much % dps is the tier set with weekly buff ?

[olive wraith]

#updates-midnight

[nimble valve]

ty

[edgy widget]

they didn't buff the crit chance on tier, just on rampage - so no change in the WA

[dapper goblet]

no extra math then

so great for me

[edgy widget]

correct

assuming their notes are correct anyway

[wild mica]

kinda wish they'd just go back to S2 PTR set. Now that was a good set

[dapper goblet]

[sullen basin]

Okay so the gap between us and arms is still uncrossable

That sucks

[drifting copper]

If ur outplaying the sims. Yes

[sullen basin]

Used to be 15% gap now 7%

[dapper goblet]

gap in dps. yes. gap in fun. no.

and fun is what matters most..

[sullen basin]

Gap in fun? Currently they feel the same
Mortal strike is rampage and execute is also rampage

[midnight kite]

That puts our ST gain a bit under pre buff boomkins for Abberus WCL

[sullen basin]

Overpower is raging blow

[bitter palm]

that goes for all but 1 spec

[dapper goblet]

uh huh..

[unreal onyx]

did someone do the sims with the new changes yet?

[edgy widget]

more like used to be 10 now 7

[graceful bay]

That's pure cope. Just be good at Fury and outplay most of Arms

[unreal onyx]

THAT is pure cope

[edgy widget]

to a degree perhaps

but only if both ends are rather stark

[unreal onyx]

ofc a fury god will outplay a arms noob

[graceful bay]

Orange Fury will prob be low purple for Arms

[unreal onyx]

but if they are equal in skill for the respective spec there's no way a fury will beat an arms

[chrome plover]

i did more damage than fury rank 1 on mythic rashok last night and it was a 66

[unreal onyx]

my 80 arms hc log in raid would've been world 25 for fury

[lyric cobalt]

i think i hate this buff because it's kind of definitive when you get a buff that says: you still gonna be suck tier.

[graceful bay]

Exactly, so after this buff Orange will be close to low purple like I said.

[unreal onyx]

closer, yes

[serene moat]

Upcoming class Tuning is a joke, nothing more...

[dapper goblet]

roger

[graceful bay]

Lucky they even did anything tbh

[lean wasp]

wdym they promised balance

[serene moat]

Assassination getting buffed twice as much as fury. haha

meanwhile

[graceful bay]

They've been over promising and under delivering consistently since 06....….....This shouldn't be surprising.

[serene moat]

lets go arms ^^

[edgy widget]

also getting a ~2% bug fix 🙃
but assa isn't nearly as good as Fury in MT either

[sullen basin]

I was doing that
Then I swapped to arms and did it even better

[celest sierra]

Like I wonder who and how they decide these buffs ? Do just be like give them x amount without even actually looking or testing ?

[sullen basin]

Probably yes

[glad coyote]

these changes are greast for m+

[edgy widget]

eh

[sullen basin]

Sounds like blizzard doesn't want fury to be as good as arms in single target just close enough to not have fury players give up

[edgy widget]

Fury was already doing fine in the heavy AoE part of M+, the problem is any time you come to a priority target/boss, and that part still is a problem

[graceful bay]

It's a meme season with the only remotely challenging content being high keys, where fury is generally ok. Idk feels like a play what is fun angle.

[distant geyser]

Feels like you do 600k to a pack every minute and then 2 damage to the boss lol

[edgy widget]

but yes, these changes are probably mostly from a M+ perspective, since the raids are already kind of a joke

[celest sierra]

Welp if they make us better and stronger in m+ then worth

[dapper goblet]

raid is slowly becoming the mini game..

[paper ivy]

@edgy widget did this buff save fury st? Can u guess where we will land?

[sullen basin]

Good don't most raiders one and done the content

[dapper goblet]

dont think i have that information

[rigid stirrup]

Arms in the streets, fury in the sheets you say?

[distant geyser]

Bro just scroll up like 20 messages...

[sullen basin]

Neither do I it's more of a feels true kinda thing for me

[rigid stirrup]

or check the updates-dragonflight channel

[oblique trail]

#updates-midnight

Very useful channel btw

[fair star]

From what ive heard fury ST was never good,its good in dungeons because they dont lose much ST speccing into aoe

[rigid stirrup]

I'll be fine with arms being the stronger option in raid and fury being the better option in M+ this season

[celest sierra]

Meh ima my s3 tier set on until stamina becomes an issue for me

[south kayak]

Sometimes I think of playing Ret but then I remember the axe

[celest sierra]

And Axeless ret still slaps harder then us

Rets been blizzards favorite this expac

[graceful bay]

S3 build with S4 gear make it a real meme

[south kayak]

It's also coupled with the fact that I'm not sure I really like Ret

[fervent turtle]

Ret is still pink = for gays

[south kayak]

What's wrong with gays

[celest sierra]

I didn’t like Ret either but tbh the changes etc to it made it really fun to play . I just got mad cause my ret never got the axe so I benched him

[main rapids]

What makes you say that? The fact that they pump and have an entire deck full of utility?

[oblique trail]

?

[main rapids]

They can't even use two 2h's

[celest sierra]

Absolutely not

[south kayak]

moment

[dapper goblet]

idk if you know this but..ret has been a meme for a minute

[random raptor]

What makes the eranog ring so good? is it because of our legendary?

[celest sierra]

Sarcasm btw

[dapper goblet]

so having ~2 tiers of it being good is fine..

[willow hazel]

Casual homophobic commentary. Real cool of you my guy

[oblique trail]

It loses no stats and has a damage proc

[south kayak]

you're a meme

[oblique trail]

It's just free damage

[south kayak]

(a good one)

[random raptor]

What do you mean by loses no stats

[fervent turtle]

when you cannot squeeze out at least a little giggle over that then poor you my guy

[oblique trail]

Some items lose stats because they have procs on them, i.e Thorncallers or Forgestorm

[graceful bay]

You're a moron, stop typing

[oblique trail]

But Eranog's ring has no downside, and is just strictly better than any other ring

[south kayak]

Banezi I'm wondering what's your % increase for Eranog ring

if you simmed it

[oblique trail]

I have no idea

[celest sierra]

Combine it with Duirna ring

[dapper goblet]

a lot of %

[oblique trail]

I can look

[willow patrol]

its not about squeezing out a giggle and not. it's just plain homophobic and not even a clever joke. it's just ... a sign of immaturity lmao

[oblique trail]

But it's prob like 2%

complete guess

[graceful bay]

You're typing again

[austere drift]

literally nothing worthy of giggling over in that comment, just dull and boring like some shit id see in high school

[fervent turtle]

its not homophobic relating the color pink to gay, no matter if there is "truth in that

[edgy widget]

idk it's kinda immature, but arguing about what you find funny vs someone else does isn't going to go anywhere either, so how about we all drop it?

[feral ivy]

Anyone know what 3% dmg will actually do? Like 20k more dmg or 100k?

[random raptor]

Can I get an opinion on what my bullion purchase should be? I strictly play fury, want to continue pushing high keys and I raid
After what Arch said I was thinking to do Augury but now I'm not sure
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h6sDCmwc9U5hpxT5shisJY

[edgy widget]

100k more damage, absolutely

[fervent turtle]

he gets it, the "fun" part was the immature nature of it

[distant geyser]

Gi read updates channel

[edgy widget]

again, arguing about it is not a good look - please just drop it so we can all move on

[fervent turtle]

poor peope, always under attack..

[distant geyser]

Hot take
Get whatever toy you think sounds the coolest

[random raptor]

I'm still a wow noob I've only been playing like 8 months so all this optimizing is new to me

Ok based mars

[distant geyser]

It won't matter just do the mechanics right

[oblique trail]

Hold off on buying anything till you see what you get from Amirdrassil and Vault of the Incarnates clear, since you get the next Bullion purchase when we're back to Vault

But either Aug or Eranog ring is a safe purchase regardless

[graceful bay]

Unless PTR quest still gives one!

[south kayak]

[random raptor]

Cool thanks @oblique trail 🙂

[graceful bay]

As I live and breathe!!

[oblique trail]

hmm

Eranog ring with sockie is 3.6% for me

Bit more than expected

[south kayak]

that is huge

[distant geyser]

More than fury buffs lol

[willow patrol]

i think the most important aspect of it is - are you gfoing to be able to kill mythic fyrakk and get the aug, or are you going to be able to kill eranog in mythic for a chance to roll that?

[fresh creek]

so fury buffs always yey but is it enough?? 😄

[south kayak]

[fading chasm]

Almost twice the fury buffs

[willow patrol]

you can always vault that shit but still

[south kayak]

just get the ring in vault

[willow patrol]

yeah

[south kayak]

I never got it in vault

ever

[willow patrol]

but you can still roll the eranog one from mythic 2/8

[fresh creek]

im getting aug next bulion

[distant geyser]

Skill issue if u can't tbh

[willow patrol]

or whatever

[south kayak]

I do have skill issues

[south kayak]

Augmentation Evoker?

[willow patrol]

augery

[fresh creek]

augury 😄

[willow patrol]

=(

[south kayak]

I know

[willow patrol]

pocket augmentation invoker ngl

[south kayak]

[willow patrol]

like the whelp from rlp

[fresh creek]

cclown 😄

[meager void]

omg fury actually buffed

[fresh creek]

but fury buffs are kinda good right im an idiot so i dont know bout numbers buut seems good

[oblique trail]

no way

[distant geyser]

Unfort
Have you tried running mythic and rolling it first time?

[distant geyser]

Wow!!!

[south kayak]

Did not drop

[distant geyser]

Hmmm

[oblique trail]

Nvm it's 2.3%, had wrong ring on

oopsie

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[fading chasm]

So .1% better than fury buffs

[chilly fractal]

At least a whole 3%

[south kayak]

surely it's not more than Augury

[fresh creek]

but does it solve furys problems?? 😄

[chilly fractal]

Could’ve at least buffed our Auto Attack damage

[oblique trail]

I got Brand and Puzzie B so it's unlikely to get beat by Aug

[fading chasm]

It’s a bandaid on a broken leg

[oblique trail]

I have not checked for Fury

I just simmed Arms

[celest sierra]

Spec into annihaltor for that

[edgy widget]

• Brand probably isn't as good as it seems due to short fights - really only stacks up quickly on the end bosses
• Anvil is better in that regard, but also suffers on the very short (3m) fights
• Augury is always good for Fury, if you don't loot one (on any difficulty) next week and plan to do a lot of M+ in addition to raid, it might be your best purchase
• If you do loot an augury or other good trinkets, then go for ring
• If you loot any difficulty augury and any difficulty ring from Vault the following week, buy Ashkandur or Signet/Anvil I guess

[south kayak]

i got puzzle and normal icon

champ tier

[fervent hollow]

hi guys

I ran a sim on training dummy to try and see how close I am to my optimal dps (im new to warr)

[random raptor]

Thanks legend, appreciate it

[topaz wolf]

Does anyone know how exactly the Great Vault raid rewards work in S4? Like, I know rewards can come from any and all raids, but say you unlocked one mythic slot and two heroic slots... Does that mean the mythic loot can come from any of the first "two" (I use that loosely since there are multiple second bosses depending on which path you take) bosses in each raid? Or any boss across all three?

[fervent hollow]

and I see im still 7k under what I should be

[oblique trail]

You're just looking at one pull basically

The sim does thousands of iterations, attempts basically, and gives you an average

[fervent hollow]

how do I go about finding out what I'm fcking up?

[edgy widget]

all raids, doesn't matter what you've killed

[oblique trail]

Just because you did 7k under your sim doesn't mean you played wrong

[fervent hollow]

oh so it's even worse? seeing that that's just the average

[oblique trail]

It can very well just add up to worse RNG than the average

[fervent hollow]

oh I see

[south kayak]

That kinda sucks, way too many options

[topaz wolf]

So it's possible to get Mythic Ashkandur despite only being 2/8M Aberrus?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[celest sierra]

So my mythic slots in vault can have the chance for mythic augrey without killing mythic Fyrakk ?

[topaz wolf]

Based

[sullen dove]

Yeah

[oblique trail]

Just like how people got mythic OCE from their first vault

[sullen dove]

Well

[oblique trail]

Despite never having cleared Aberrus

[sullen dove]

idk is it they’ve never ever cleared it and it’s still in loot pool

Or you’ve ever killed on mythic

even in s2 and it counts

[oblique trail]

My warrior never cleared mythic Aberrus, yet it had a mythic Aberrus item in the vault

[fervent hollow]

but why is it then when I did heroic aberrus I had low parses when I legit only missed like one or two rampages and basically did my rotation as always

[oblique trail]

So it doesn't care about your chars history

[topaz wolf]

I got Mythic Kazzarra boots in my vault despite not having killed her previously.

[sullen dove]

[fervent hollow]

and I did about the same dps my character sims, but my parse is grey 😄

[sullen dove]

low item level/kill times/anything else

your sim dps is not just going to be an orange parse just cause

parses are based against other players of your same spec

[fervent hollow]

yea I know that

but why are people with the same item level doing a lot more dmg

also i see they're mostly using tier 3 set

[sullen dove]

better trinkets/stats/better play

[fervent hollow]

which I don't have cause I didnt play back then

[white quest]

So will these buffs take us out of F tier?

[proud vessel]

How do we feel about the buff coming next reset?

[sullen dove]

and better kill times too/some crit rng, bunch of random shit can be the reason

[mild thunder]

I feel like I'm playing Arms next reset.

[meager void]

do these buffs mean a change to the BT Crit weakaura?

[celest sierra]

F tier buff

[oblique trail]

No because it didn't change, 2p is just rampage damage and crit chance, the 4p buff was to the damage per stack, not crit chance per stack

[sullen dove]

Now? Instead of the last two weeks?

[mild thunder]

I've been playing it. I'll keep playing it. As I gear up, I don't play S3 as much.

[fervent hollow]

ah I see @sullen dove thank you I'm used to having only orange parses on my feral and was feeling down, lowkey thought about dropping warrior

[sullen dove]

[mild thunder]

But, hey, 3% buff to S3 players still rocking 489 4-set, and have a Myth Ashkhandur like me.

[fervent hollow]

but what you said makes me understand it better thanks

[celest sierra]

We massive baby lmao

[meager void]

oh true, 2p is all about rampage dmg and crit chance. Was reading it like global crit chance and thats wrong.

[sullen dove]

Yea I mean idk a lot of times high parses on bosses are gonna be way higher than sim dps cause kill times are typically a lot shorter on higher parses

[mild thunder]

Running Protection Warrior 2/2 makes 4-set, which was kinda funny to find out earlier.

[fervent hollow]

i also had a random 86 parse on second boss when all the other parses were grey

[sullen dove]

but realistically there’s like 10+ different factors that can contribute to a difference in logs so just trying to look at what the good people do to compare is a good place to start

[celest sierra]

Honestly they should just make tier a 6 set

And then keep neck and rings and trinkets and cloak options

[mild thunder]

We used to have 8 and 9 sets. I think it's better as a 4-5 set.

[fervent hollow]

yea I'm trying to do that, still struggling with understanding the correct way to analyze better players but yea

[celest sierra]

Helm , shoulder , chest , arms , belt , legs , wrist . Should be tier slots and everything else optimal . Shit imagine tier weapons 😂😂

[oblique trail]

A good place to start is comparing your casts to theirs, and their rotation throughout the fight, as well as when they use CDs (for add fights mostly)

[clever path]

T2.5 moment

[fervent hollow]

how do you check their rotation throughout the fight?

[oblique trail]

You select the person in a log you wanna check, press casts, then either events or timeline

I prefer timeline

And it'll show their casts in which order they do them, and when

[celest sierra]

I feel like if they did do 6 tier set slots etc . It would even out the playing field via ili and then everything else would solely be based off skill which it should be . Because now u can’t argue ur not doing numbers cause can’t get bis (for the most part)

[oblique trail]

For example. You can then scroll through the fight to check different parts of it

[clever path]

Welcome to pvp, where everything is obtainable in a few weeks and you just being a shitter is what holds you back

[fervent hollow]

oh that's mega useful @oblique trail thanks

[celest sierra]

I mean yeh Skill= progression . It will help / force people to get better to do bigger content

[untold moth]

With buffs is s4 still and st loss coming from max ilvl s3?

[oblique trail]

S4 is already a slight increase to S3 although depends on ilvl

[clever path]

1 difficulty raids again please lmao, make the shitters mald

[celest sierra]

To far 😂😂. But with the 6 tier set slot . You would def be able to identify shitters more properly

[rustic haven]

We getting buffed I heard

Anything big?

[celest sierra]

No

[rustic haven]

😦

[sullen basin]

Minor buff that makes us slightly less worse than arms

[manic gulch]

[rustic haven]

Well slightly is still better than mostly

[barren dagger]

purged

[noble elm]

Imagine arms is still gonna be ahead mostly just because of the disparity in weapon ilvl and the availability of all these crazy trinkets

[dapper goblet]

well its ahead because its op

[barren dagger]

its ahead by 7% apparently

fury needs god

find god

[oblique thistle]

Hi

[barren dagger]

hello

[oblique thistle]

I heard Fury needs me

In all seriousness the only thing I care about is not losing DPS equipping S4 tier

From the looks of it that should be the case now?

[barren dagger]

pretty sure that's fixed

[olive wraith]

I mean with enough ilvl you would aim higher

Now less ilvl required

[proud vessel]

What does archi mesn with this? "a very slightly higher percentage for players who haven't collected all the toys yet."

[fair cave]

does the raging blow dmg buff also apply to crushing blow?

[honest sundial]

wtf are these fury buffs blizzard hello

[pearl glacier]

stop cry and learn class

[fringe vale]

sees fury buff, arms still ahead, leaves.

[pearl glacier]

fury scale with ilvl

[honest sundial]

xdd

[fringe vale]

xd

[pearl glacier]

go watch tutorials how to pass 3500 io

and learn fury

[summer quail]

would need to be a crazy buff for fury to reach arms. arms is crazy strong rn

[olive wraith]

Like the bis stuff

[olive wraith]

What’s this even mean

[fringe vale]

do u understand that the sims are done with bis gear, or are u mentally cahllenged?

[honest sundial]

nice bait

[dapper goblet]

love when people use io

[barren dagger]

based take

[pearl glacier]

u are mentally bad if you think sims are better than pure skill

[void echo]

he slammed his head on the wall too much, now hes damaged

[pearl glacier]

go learn fury

tomorrow you have school

[young swan]

a large amount of fury damage is made up by external sources (axe, augury, signet brand, etc)

[pearl glacier]

go do your homework

[fringe vale]

[class learned, still not performs] BRAVO TEAM REQUEST BACKUP

[barren dagger]

nvm i misread what you meant. actually not a based take

[white tulip]

are we still having to wait popping avatar for a few seconds after recklessness is popped or did they fix that bug ?

[sullen dove]

This guy is tweakin

[young swan]

mickey mouse score

[olive wraith]

Sims represent the highest possible outcome

[sullen dove]

fixed

[fair star]

Youre talking about skill in the warrior discord

[white tulip]

sweet thanks

[fair star]

Get this troll out of here

[fervent walrus]

Fury buffs

[fair star]

I mean u can prob get 3.5k as fury but arms better

[barren dagger]

fury is now S tier btw

and prot is mdi default

[fair star]

Source?

[sullen dove]

[oblique thistle]

My fury guide:
Step 1. Press raging blow
Step 2. Press rampage
Ladies and gentlemen, we did it, we learned fury

[fair star]

Trust me bro

[honest sundial]

alexv0978 guy

[sullen dove]

holy shit

[fair star]

Pog

[sullen dove]

The prophet

[wild mica]

help i didnt get raging blow resets what do i do

[fringe vale]

fury whent from d tier to c tier with buffs BATCHEST

[sullen dove]

cry

[oblique thistle]

Cope

[fair star]

U mean from f to d

[dapper goblet]

d is a passing grade

[sullen dove]

what about e

[barren dagger]

top warrior dps player in m+ only plays fury. objectively the strongest spec

[fair star]

[sullen dove]

[barren dagger]

if ur not 3.4k already you're trolling innit

[pearl glacier]

learn fury ty

and go to school

tomorrow

leave discord

[wild mural]

Is fury back?

[wild mica]

fury was never gone, at least in m+

[honest sundial]

hi

[wild mural]

Idk, same gear

[fringe vale]

[modest condor]

damn i didnt know boomkin was that undertuned

[dapper goblet]

the receipts

[honest sundial]

trinket BiS list so everyone can see

[wild mural]

Nerf boomkin

[barren dagger]

looks like a strong boomkin for sure

175k overall for sure not the players fault

[wild mural]

Class diff

[barren dagger]

mistweaver pumping

[glad coyote]

what is this like a nelt 2?

[barren dagger]

its a heroic dungeon

[fringe vale]

tbf same gear same skill, arms comes ahead by a bit not that much of fury in overall dmg, where it feels tho is dmg on st in bosses, arms does so much better. and in high keys it makes a huge diff

[modest condor]

nelth +16

[wild mural]

Nah Nelth +16

[barren dagger]

timed +3?

[modest condor]

it's funny because it's the exact opposite

on overall arms is significantly ahead but bosses fury can at least compete

[wild mural]

Oh yeah I fucking crushed that fury on AoE and he was within a couple K of dps with me on bosses

Like 2-3k off

[main merlin]

BUFFS

we got some fucking buffs

[hardy shuttle]

With a tank pulling big arms seems to go way ahead. In short choppy pulls fury can hang in there

[fringe vale]

psure jugg arms build does more st and still does hella aoe cuz dn is broken

[wild mural]

Had to check Rio but it’s a 2chested 7

Low key gamer

[modest condor]

nobody plays jugg arms in m+ and it's still only slightly ahead of fury compared to how far ahead it is on aoe

[honest sundial]

yeah numbers arms can do on bigger pulls is just different world compared to what fury is capable of

[wild mural]

Yeah I’m regularly pushing 1.5-2m on big aoe, I doubt I could get near as fury

Maybe if the stars aligned with getting class trink proc while doing my burst but idk

[main merlin]

anything is better than being bored with arms

ill take -5k dps for fun

but not -30k

[wild mural]

On a big aoe pack like +7 mobs I think you’re looking at a dps loss of like 300k per pack by going fury over arms

[main merlin]

aoe doesnt matter

[wild mural]

Arms aoe is just so strong

[main merlin]

raid clout is where its at

[gaunt quest]

Why are you crying that arms doing bigger damage than fury. The consequence will be that blizz will nerf arms and then both warri dps are bottom tier...

[wild mural]

Yeah cause the packs in m+ will just kill themselves

[wild mural]

I’m not crying I’m loving arms

[wild mural]

XD

[chrome relic]

we still dooming boys

?

[rustic haven]

We still pumpin

[hollow mirage]

Hi all, is it still possible to use the Annihilation build with s4 tier? i really like the rotation

[hardy cargo]

anecdotally, I only notice way more aoe on uncapped packs past like 8 or 9

fury owns in keys

[wild mural]

I’m just speaking from my own experience

[clever path]

No, you castrate yourself trying to get stacks for BT

[wild mural]

Everyone obviously has different view points and I’ve not done many keys

[hardy cargo]

we both are 😛

but also perhaps im dookie at arms

[hollow mirage]

sadge, really liked it, prob one the few that really enjoyed S3 tier & build, took some getting used to, but once there it really did pump 😛

[graceful bay]

I vaguely recall there being an annihilator build in S2, wasn't there?

[wild mural]

I only got beaten on overall as arms in 1 key and I was playing pure st

[wild mural]

Yeah was me trolling with smf

It didn’t work

[graceful bay]

Nah, I swear it was an option with Odyn's on wowhead for m+

[wild mural]

Nope

There was never an “official” Annihilator build

For s2

[hardy cargo]

if u wanted odyns in keys u dropped tenderize, and even then it wasnt a smart move

only pulled slightly ahead on mega aoe

[wild mural]

Tenderize was clear tbh

[sullen dove]

anni just specifically goes against 4p it never worked

forces u to spam bt when you have to hold bt to save up stacks

[graceful bay]

There was definitely an Odyn's variation then. I don't remember

[wild mural]

Some people ran odyns but it was a big L

[fleet sorrel]

You just dropped like a talent or two for Odyns

Was a meme

[sullen dove]

end user license agreement

[fleet sorrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-funnt-cat-black-cat-sleepy-cat-gif-16409614852005252877

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/furina-pedro-gif-10919982240670377699

make emote

[livid lake]

Please

I beg

[wild mural]

[tardy lark]

@fleet sorrel @young swan

[dapper goblet]

weebs

[rotund ginkgo]

has any1 made the calculations

for the buff?

@edgy widget

[wild mural]

2.2% bis

[rotund ginkgo]

2.2% increase to ST?

[wild mural]

Ye

[rotund ginkgo]

ah i see

[edgy widget]

read #updates-midnight!

[rotund ginkgo]

i just did

thanks dad ❤️

did u make aoe calcs as well?

[edgy widget]

it's about the same - a small increase that doesn't change anything of substance

it makes people who want to play the spec feel a little better about their choice, without actually changing the status quo at all

[hollow mirage]

still upset and confused why the hell they made smf something we have to talent into, just a way to waste our points, kill a option and break a part of core function/feature of Warriors imo >.>

[rotund ginkgo]

so basically for actual content, m+/ce etc

[hybrid flicker]

basically table scraps to get the rabble to quiet down

[rotund ginkgo]

arms is still the choice

[clever path]

Fury buff?

[wild mural]

Real

I wanna use daggers with no downside

[edgy widget]

I don't think it really breaks anything

[clever path]

No one uses SMF

[edgy widget]

and fwiw, SMF only increases 1h capability, the ability to use 1hrs is baseline

[clever path]

Only for tmog

[hollow mirage]

it breaks a core of what Fury was, honestly they should just remove it all together and give us the ability to tmog 2h into 1h, attacks are no longer bound to weapons since Legion, animations are now on skills, so they really could do it >.<

[half cargo]

I guess you can argue it takes the place of a hypothetical more impactful/meaningful option

[clever path]

replace it with BL

[quiet geyser]

Look at the brightside lads. We could be like survival hunters and get no buff at all

[hollow mirage]

yee

[meager void]

yeah, the big fury problem right now is the smf talent

[fair star]

@edgy widget how is it a 2.2% increse overall if we get 3% aura buff

Or u meant 2.2% from the tier buffs

[meager void]

he literally says it in the post

[devout plaza]

Surv is a mistake that must be corrected, they must be eradicated!

[clever path]

Honestly I feel like they should replace SMF with a similar thing to FDK, Give us horn of winter to spec into on 1.5 min CD boost haste by 500 for 20 secs ez

[meager void]

Not as big as it sounds, since there are so many forms of external damage in Season 4.