Even with S3 tier arms would out ST us
#fury
fair star
I think we would end up mid more then top tier tbh
No
We cleave
For the win
And be top of the meters
rustic haven
In a dream we are all happy.
summer quail
vers
atomic lotus
pref buff when plaayingg algethar?
IMO depends on your stats already, cause mastery increases the dmg you gain from Enrage, whilst haste might give you more rage.
But hows your stats looking?
atomic lotus
Then prolly go with vers
quiet python
sweet ty!
sullen basin
Charge should make you move like the hm Tauren racial we got zero mobility if someone isn't killing something ahead of us
fading knot
Leap?
fallen ginkgo
is 424k overall in a 9 AA okay? first pull was a mess
paper ivy
How do u maximize fury st? I ve checked some logs on rashok and i noticed that ppl tend to stack crit at 3-4 stacks and then pop avatar+ spear or just spear. Like they use reck + ravager + avatar + go to 3 stacks of crit then spear and blood thirst
paper ivy
How do u maximize fury st? I ve checked some logs on rashok and i noticed that p...
Is it beacause they aim to get 2x blood thirst into spears window?
silver mantle
Probably
Although, getting 2xBT is not rly viable, only the first BT will be big
And on the off-chance the first doesn't crit, parse is scuffed
marsh kiln
is 424k overall in a 9 AA okay? first pull was a mess
Its alright
I did 390k at 500ilvl, another warr did 510k at 519ilvl
But we both played arms
In a +8aa
fallen ginkgo
y arms hits diff in AA
with BT 
i had one with like 480k on 504-ish gear in a low key
but i am still unsure about what dmg fury should deal in keys
sullen basin
is warrior the yap class every time i open this theres like 100+ new messages but that only happens in other class discords if its been a few days or so
summer quail
fury is the yap class, this is the general chat of the warrior discord
crystal radish
Is it worth it to change 4 pieces of old tier for 2 old and 2 new ? Not even a single token dropped on 3 dificulty raid, only have 2 catalists and 1 token of m+2k
crystal radish
Ok thanks
lusty jungle
is warrior the yap class every time i open this theres like 100+ new messages bu...
Without a doubt
sullen basin
thank god
anyone else press each button like 5+ times during the gcd instead of trying to time it perfectly and somehow not get RSI from it
fair star
anyone else press each button like 5+ times during the gcd instead of trying to ...
HUH
YOU DONT SMASH YOUR KEYS WHILE PLAYING FURY
sullen basin
I have had noise complaints 🙂
pale zephyr
YOU DONT SMASH YOUR KEYS WHILE PLAYING FURY
I'm still a clicker, boy do i love my hand getting numb this tier near the end of a dungeon
sullen basin
shadowlands season 3 was really bad for it
sullen basin
fury is hard because im bad at it not because it requires mashing
sullen basin
because i played arms and do more damage
clearly i must be bad at fury if i do more damage as arms despite almost never playing it and playing fury constantly since SL s1
fair star
Ive been playin warrior since sl s1
I played fury
Then in df s1 i played arms
But back to fury s2
fair star
https://tenor.com/view/faceroll-keyboard-cant-even-tech-support-gif-20234453
This reminds me of the pvp video swifty made in legion where he face rolled his keyboard on his prot pala and won every duel
sullen basin
imagine if this said pummel, and we had to lose dps to have an interrupt
south kayak
skill issue
compact gulch
why do i sim lower with s4 4p than s3 4p?
silent aurora
Cause S4 4p is really bad on ST
jade cipher
guys
just voicing my opinion dont hate me
i hate this season fury tier set and i'm mad that i last season didnt go through
i am breaking my wrist to be outshined by my own arms in every content
sullen basin
why do i sim lower with s4 4p than s3 4p?
because its trash
blizzard didnt rebalance it because they're lazy
hollow elk
roll arms/ stay fury/ play another game for a few months
we all know its terrible
watching streamers that voted for s2 reroll arms is funny at least
jade cipher
honestly when bosses are bad for arms execute i just play s3 fury
sullen basin
bosses can be bad for arms execute?
jade cipher
yeah heroic experiments
sullen basin
oh yeah that boss dies in 3 seconds
dense elbow
The only streamer that matters on this topic is Crit
Change my mind 
sullen basin
critcake is a streamer? i thought critcake was just some guy that people know
hollow elk
i mean heroic is not really a good measure for anything on this season. shit just dies
jade cipher
i mean heroic is not really a good measure for anything on this season. shit jus...
but still i really enjoyed fury last season
sullen basin
except dathea which is badly designed
jade cipher
from being tanky to doing ton of prio damage
hollow elk
pretty sure next time razageth comes back around. we are gona stare at the shield degrade from 50% to 0 cuz we pushed the phase inmediately
jade cipher
it was diffrent from arms and u could play it when u needed, the spec was so fun
hollow elk
arms just feels extremely superior in raids atm cuz most cleave fights are like 1-2 targets and fury just does not do good on that
fury winning in like m+ for like 1% if you use the mastery embelishment and somehow keep it up for 60% of the key 
not worth keeping two sets for that
dense elbow
Well, we are going to do a lot better on Amirdrasil on unimportant damage, so we got that coming for warcraftlogs stat page
sullen basin
fury wins in aoe if you're cracked and never played arms before
i cant think of anything in amirdrassil that makes fury any better than it is right now
why are people huffing so much 
jade cipher
i wish they would let us revote
hollow elk
i very much doubt its gona matter. boss target is what matters in the end. and the only fight with multiple bosses is counsil and thats a 2 target fight if your group does it right lol
sullen basin
same
jade cipher
i begged people not to vote 3
for both specs but arms is fine fury isnt
arms was personal for me
sullen basin
redo the vote like they should redo the scottish independence vote
dense elbow
Problem is not S3 vs S4, it is that blizz didnt do what they promised:
Balance things out so we didnt lose damage chosing one over the other
All fixed by numbers tuning, so just hope they care to do so
sullen basin
s2 feels worse than s3 too though
jade cipher
its just 1 shitty spell
dense elbow
I dont care what they buff
jade cipher
that we have to keep using
sullen basin
they need to buff our single target by at least 15% to make up for losing to arms 🙂
dense elbow
We always keep having to use ramapge, wdum?
dense elbow
Ramp is our spender o_o
sullen basin
ah i see you enjoyted shadowlands season 3 warrior CB Ramp spam
jade cipher
also now that when i use my defensive i have to use bloodthirst which is meh
sullen basin
s3 was the exact same as shadowlands s3
jade cipher
without it getting stacks
dense elbow
Man, I love that the S3 fanboys call me a s4 fanboy, and the s4 fanboys call me a s3 fanboy ._.
ya'll crazy
sullen basin
no idea what you're talking about i guess this is an ingame thing?
crisp coral
Odyn's fury having more uptime was a great set. Not running AM and ravager felt like shit though.
sullen basin
playing exactly like CB/Ramp from shadowlands felt great
dense elbow
Nah, it is just when I point out S3 was great - ppl go full "you s3 lover"
When I say t4 issue is balance, they go "you s4 fanboy!"
sullen basin
season 2 dragonflight plays exactly like season 1 dragonflight the bonuses are just better 🙂 it sucks ass
tired widget
guys im a bit unsure, what item should i first buy with the boullions, I have the ashkandur but when I sim Primal flame seems not too good?
sullen basin
get the legendary and buy that
tired widget
I dom ostly m+ so I think primal flame is best?
I dont ahve it unfortauntely
not yet atleast
dense elbow
guys im a bit unsure, what item should i first buy with the boullions, I have th...
Legendary Upgrade, if you close to getting it - if not, look on wowhead, but a popular option is aug
Ring ofc
tired widget
I think I will buy flame then and hope to get leggie
o relaly
ring, not primal flame?
crisp coral
Season 2 dragonflight plays like season 1 dragonflight because it doesn't change our "default" ability priority and it doesn't give us anything new. It just forces us to cast bloodthirst occasionally when normally we might only have to use it once or twice a fight.
dense elbow
If you get the lego, you will need to upgrade it, ya could just hold on your bulions to be safe
sullen basin
meanwhile season 3 dragonflight lets us play like we did against the jailer 🙂 very fun
too bad some arms players voted season 2 to troll us and then continued to play arms
hey guys season 2 is so good i swear swaps to arms when it gets in
crisp coral
Honestly I'm not convinced it wasn't bots that voted 2. 3 was thousands of votes ahead for weeks.
dense elbow
AM/reck/rav Vs RA/Annhi - you guys will never agree.
Now good thing is, you can play either in S4, heck you can even do S3 in S4.
Enjoy that freedom
sullen basin
my s3 gear is 483 item level
and arms is still better
i have the freedom to do less dps or more dps
and im choosing to do more dps
dense elbow
Arms is better, sure - but arms vs fury is not the quesiton
dense elbow
#arms here is for yer arms, enjoy
We all know - and I even told you, S4 needs tuning.
summer quail
too bad some arms players voted season 2 to troll us and then continued to play ...
voted for the tier that's more fun, rahter play something i enjoy and hope blizz balances it than something stronger that i don't enjoy
pretty simple
crisp coral
How is it more fun though? it's the same playstyle we've had for a decade with nothing new.
sullen basin
because some people like pressing 3 buttons isntead of 2 buttons
dense elbow
People enjoy the taste of vanilla icecream, because they enjoy it
summer quail
fun is subjective, i like pressing cds more often
sullen basin
so do i thats why i had crit to get more onlyfans procs
crisp coral
OF isn't a CD?
sullen basin
i had like 22% haste 30% crit 56~% mastery and like 25% vers or something
always used what simmed best, unless crit was only slightly worse
dense elbow
So you chose crit, even if it sim'd worse?
Totally fair - a bit stronger on AoE than haste, if I remember sims correctly
sullen basin
yeah probably
anyway, fury is so bad that i who played fury since SL launch have started playing arms
how is that not a fury comment
blizzard wont do anything because its like 3 months til new xpac prepatch
dense elbow
I am sure you will come around if we get buffed
radiant plank
Rerolled to arms 
dense elbow
traitors, all of you
light tapir
The fury has not left me so I will never leave the fury
summer quail
fury not that bad in m+
dense elbow
sigh We know
summer grove
Dead ass last.
glad coyote
havnt played arms sinec dragon soul
when fury came on top cause that sword with the tent's that spawn
sullen basin
We fell down, what are the pro players doing?! <:Rampage:592471610536099840>
is that dungeons or raid
dense elbow
Raid, the only metric to complain about
sullen basin
okay
makes more sense
good warriors wont play fury because fury is factually weaker than arms in all raid content
thats why its low down
summer grove
We know.
sullen basin
I wish we didnt
summer grove
Arms feels more fluid and less clunky to me at the moment.
summer quail
good warriors wont play fury because fury is factually weaker than arms in all r...
will always be like that to a certain extent
summer quail
ofc there are good onetrick players of each spec
sullen basin
SMF unironically gonna be made baseline during Midnight with the stat squish
sullen basin
will always be like that to a certain extent
IMO arms should only ever be better than fury specifically in 2-3 target cleave, equal or worse in single target and equal or better in mass aoe (you know, because bladestorm and stuff we currently dont have)
2 sticks should never be weaker than 1 stick when you fight 1 guy
hollow elk
yet a well held weapon is often better than two
sullen basin
titans grip allows you to hold two weapons very well
its a skill issue that arms cant do it
summer quail
IMO arms should only ever be better than fury specifically in 2-3 target cleave,...
I think they should be equal in st if possible. fury should be the best spec in the game at 5 target for sure
sullen basin
if blizzard insists on arms being better i guess they should remove TG since whats the point
if we're gonna be weaker at least make us look weaker
summer quail
huh??
hollow elk
its a skill issue that arms cant do it
its pretty obv that arms chooses to focus on one thematically anyways
summer quail
But better at 5 target
forreal, sad that specs beat fury in 5 target
sullen basin
there is
summer quail
we have windwalker warrior, they sorta kick. close enough
sullen basin
mountain thane is literally thunderclap leg day god
you slam your foot down when you use it
lost saffron
My thunderthighs are allmighty
sullen basin
i guess since fury is currently a cosmetic choice i can get away with SMF
hollow elk
i guess since fury is currently a cosmetic choice i can get away with SMF
doubling down on less dps for cosmetic life feels like a terrible thing. unless youre literally just sitting in valdraken modeling
hollow elk
what does that even mean
glad coyote
you currenty have pve vs pvp tuning
hollow elk
we already know what fury is terrible at. there is no breakdown lol
hollow elk
blizzard can barely balance what we have. you want to give em another zoning tuning ?
lost saffron
Balancing is good
glad coyote
i mean yeah they need to figure it out, why not make it easier for them
lost saffron
Idk balancing in general has been fine the past few patches
glad coyote
they knew that the lego couldn't be upgraded for 2-3 months on PTR yet went live with it
lost saffron
There have been a few outliers but
hollow elk
how would adding a whole new thread of workload and manpower help them when they already struggle to do what we currently have
hollow elk
every class thats a type should be competitive in their role
but we dont live in the ideal world. we live in the bobby timeline afterall
glad coyote
just pray we get tunning with tuesday's patch
lost saffron
every class thats a type should be competitive in their role
I disagree
hollow elk
they already tuned the tiers. doubt they doing more
summer quail
just pray we get tunning with tuesday's patch
3% aura buff
glad coyote
3% aura buff
doubt
lost saffron
If every class is competitive every class has a similar kit
summer quail
i was memeing
lost saffron
Don't think that's good
summer quail
makes the game super boring
hollow elk
guys youre just generalizing. have you played anything outside of the warrior class lol
summer quail
homogenizing classes is the worst decision in mmos imo
lost saffron
?
hollow elk
there are plenty classes that are doing about the same damage. they are vastly different already
lost saffron
I cleared mythic on 4 different roles with 6 classes
sullen basin
you need to have raid vs m+ vs pvp
blizzard wont let us have the leap legendary effect from shadowlands because its too strong in pvp you think they can balance more than that when its as easy as "this doesnt work in pvp btw"
hollow elk
thats cool mate. but youre still saying that balancing means homogenicing
and thats just a terrible generalization
lost saffron
Because that is the case
sullen basin
damage equalisation is not homogenisation
hollow elk
^
sullen basin
giving warrior a healer spec (give for real though, augmentation/shout healer would be so easy to justify) would be homogenisation, and a bloodlust/bres
hollow elk
youre saying that to balance all classes to be about the same they all gotta have the same rotation essentially
glad coyote
youre saying that to balance all classes to be about the same they all gotta hav...
you can get most of the rotations within a decent margin i beat
lost saffron
Because otherwise they won't be balanced
glad coyote
it would require alot of looking at but
sullen basin
every tank should have something the others dont have if you dont want homogenisation
right now DH has everything and prot has uhhhh
sullen basin
create content that doesnt require every single tool 🙂
hollow elk
some classes are just going to be better when it comes to utility. thats as real as it gets. but damage classes can all be about the same without dumbing down the kits.
sullen basin
make dungeons that dont require infinite cc
lost saffron
Yes but then you don't have balance
sullen basin
neltharus is a pretty good example of a dungeon with adds that dont really matter
hollow elk
we are talking specifically for dps.
lost saffron
Exactly
glad coyote
You will still have some classes excelling
thats fine but at long as its with in a reasonable range
sullen basin
if you lack utility oyu need more dps to balance it
summer quail
some classes are just going to be better when it comes to utility. thats as real...
they can't all be the same without dumbing down the kits tho, it will remove niches from specs. like if a fury warrior is as good as destro on a 2 target fight there's something wrong
lost saffron
thats fine but at long as its with in a reasonable range
It is within a reasonable range right now
sullen basin
if you have more healing than arms you should also have more damage because they got ignore pain we dont
lost saffron
Then
That's not balancing
That's doubling down on the strenghts
Which creates imbalance
sullen basin
imbalance is when one thing is better for everything
glad coyote
It is within a reasonable range right now
i did a 99 parse in a AV 12, i did same amount of damage as the ret and he was clearly 50-60k above me on overall dps, yet he parsed like 85
lost saffron
That favors the strengths of certain classes
glad coyote
thats a big gap
lost saffron
99 parse
hollow elk
m+ parses are shit
glad coyote
forgot everybody in here just raids
summer quail
we're not just raids, it's just m+ parses are a meme
lost saffron
Then the issue is not balancing but the type of content that is being released
@sullen basin
And we were talking specifically about balancing
sullen basin
i dont really understand m+ parses
marsh kiln
i did a 99 parse in a AV 12, i did same amount of damage as the ret and he was c...
Play arms
sullen basin
but theres no way im in the top 12% of halls fury warriors i did literally one dungeon
sullen basin
i did a 10 rlp and it was like a few minutes over time lol
marsh kiln
Its key lvl completed
lost saffron
Yeh
lost saffron
The m+ parsed are scuffed
Well not scuffed
But difficult to evaluate
Properly
Making them effectively useless
Also another thing is
sullen basin
But if u click on it itll show dps
false
marsh kiln
marsh kiln
Sadge parses
sullen basin
That means nobody logged the run
i ran rio
lost saffron
That's what's being shown
sullen basin
i think
sullen basin
i guess i should download the log uploader
marsh kiln
U need to log it
lost saffron
Yeh
glad coyote
chrome plover
points parse pog
sullen basin
still swift
@oblique trail
glad coyote
you can do it
what portals?
lost saffron
But almost nobody does that
sullen basin
what portals?
timing +10 gives dungeon portal
glad coyote
timing +10 gives dungeon portal
not me
sullen basin
what do you mean not you? got them already?
oblique trail
@still swift
glad coyote
what do you mean not you? got them already?
yeah who doesnt have DF dungeon portals from s1 and s2?
lost saffron
If you did the dungeons in previous seasons you have the portals
sullen basin
me i didnt do shit til s3
lost saffron
You keep them
marsh kiln
Sid more dps on normal rash c ock kinda sad
lost saffron
Yeh then you need to do 10s
glad coyote
i dont have to do anything this season i alreayd have the portals
portals don't lock per season,
than gotta unlock them again
pearl glacier
I have 99 parses and 100 and dh tank allmost outdps me on fury in high keys
marsh kiln
2 portals and ill have 23 portals gained in DF
sullen basin
portals don't lock per season,
my bad big man didnt know you were built like that aha
yeah i basically didnt play season 1
marsh kiln
I have 99 parses and 100 and dh tank allmost outdps me on fury in high keys
Yeah DH does like 250k meanwhile i do 400k as arms
glad coyote
my bad big man didnt know you were built like that aha
rough
marsh kiln
Dh big dik damage
pearl glacier
Yeah DH does like 250k meanwhile i do 400k as arms
I said fury not arms
sullen basin
shaman reroll s2 because s1 was so dog
marsh kiln
Fury should be higher overall
sullen basin
we do not have portals in my home
lost saffron
Idk I do more than 250k as fury
sullen basin
last dungeon i did i got 299k
pearl glacier
Fury drop in overall in high keys
marsh kiln
I was doing 350k as fury
sullen basin
acutally i got like 600k
marsh kiln
495ilvl
marsh kiln
Arms 350-450k at 503
marsh kiln
Uldaman was 400k on a +7
lost saffron
Algethar is like 700k?
glad coyote
@sullen basin you can see my scores there
sullen basin
i got portals in season 3 i just didnt really play much in season 1/2
pearl glacier
I’m ironic
lost saffron
Also my logs are always garbage
glad coyote
bro at higher keys if you join a group ans ask for a summons you get booted so quick cause you didnt port
sullen basin
bc my gf was taking a break from the game til s3 started never had a dps/tank to join me
glad coyote
its sad
marsh kiln
90ish logs usually means BIS + max ilvl + good group
chrome plover
not this early
marsh kiln
100 means ur a gigachad god
lost saffron
What
lost saffron
100 means
lost saffron
You got gear early
marsh kiln
I did 99s late season
chrome plover
100 later means you won the rng roll
summer quail
90ish logs usually means BIS + max ilvl + good group
the good group is just not true, my guild isn't that good and i have plenty of 99s
sullen basin
i was pretty meh in s3
lost saffron
the good group is just not true, my guild isn't that good and i have plenty of 9...
Context is important
Sometimes a worse group can equal better parses
chrome plover
the good group is just not true, my guild isn't that good and i have plenty of 9...
on pad fights you get better logs in a bad group
summer quail
on pad fights you get better logs in a bad group
ye that is true
marsh kiln
the good group is just not true, my guild isn't that good and i have plenty of 9...
I did a 99 meanwhile the whole raid parsed 40 or less
Depends
On ST
marsh kiln
For 100s late into the season
How about ST?
lost saffron
You need good group that plays tailored towards you
For St you need good rng and fitting killtimes
And bis gear
marsh kiln
Best way to get a 99 or higher on aoe fights is just go boost
Inflated hp + less ppl
More pad
chrome plover
in heroic sure
lost saffron
In mythic you can't really boost with randoms
chrome plover
heroic logs pretty meaningless
lost saffron
Yeh
marsh kiln
In mythic you can't really boost with randoms
Its usually 2/4/12 and 2 buyers
On mythics
marsh kiln
1-2 buyers
summer quail
You did double boosts on fyrakk last season?
that sounds super annoying
sullen basin
more money
summer quail
then again we don't do mythic boosts, we barely CE each season so what do i know
chrome plover
fyrakk is so much money
lost saffron
Especially with rare trinkets
dense elbow
Ya mean gold, ofc, not money*
sullen basin
if i had a job id buy tokens to get my mythic fyrakk for sure
chrome plover
Ya mean gold, ofc, not money*
I mean same thing
dense elbow
Not when it comes to TOS
sullen basin
i am not mythic material
chrome plover
Not when it comes to TOS
Gold is in game money wdym
sullen basin
mythic is not designed to be cleared by everyone, it's okay that i am not good enough for it
lost saffron
It's okay
summer quail
i am not mythic material
eh you say that, plenty of meh people clear mythic. there's almost always some person in the raid team that gets "boosted". atleast in lower ranked guilds
lost saffron
But it doesn't mean you can't become good enough if you want to
Just depends on what you want
Out of the game
Really
chrome plover
anyone can become mythic material
lost saffron
If you don't have the desire of that's fine
Yeh
It's just a question about what you enjoy doing
Inside the game
The game is not so difficult that you can't reach mythic
No game is tbh
summer quail
definetely can, this is the first expansion where i've gotten CE. All 3 CE's
lost saffron
Yeh
Like you only really get skill gapped
When you want to join echo
Or liquid
That's where is becomes relevant
dense elbow
There is often a skill ceiling to pass going HC to Mythic, Mythic to CE, CE to HoF and HoF to world 1st
summer quail
ye just don't compare yourself to certain players. revvez,wallife,riku etc
lost saffron
I think I could compete with walli and riku
Not sure about revvez
With that I mean no way
Swag as well
summer quail
ye but you're in a really good guild right? like a top 50 guild?
lost saffron
World 20 with 12h raiding per week
summer quail
yeye exactly, i meant it more in a way that people like me that's in a top 1000 guild shouldn't compare themselves to players like that
lost saffron
But anyone can become good in wow if they want to
Yeh the difference is just that big
Like there is a huge gap
dense elbow
Well... anyone... is a bit, farfetched
lost saffron
Between my guild and echo already
Like huge
And then there is another huge gap
Between that and world 100
With good I mean
summer quail
like i have mostly oranges and some pinks in mythic but i'm not even near the same level as those guys
lost saffron
Good enough to get CE
I don't mean compete in mdi good
That's like in league of legends
If you reach diamond I would say you're pretty good
summer quail
That's like in league of legends
was just about to make this analogy
dense elbow
Makes sense, when you starting to go from top 1% to 0,1% to top 0,001% we are talking really condensed player skill, talent and knowledge
lost saffron
But someone who reached diamond
Is by far not on the same level as an lcs player
Even though you're already like top 2% in diamond
chrome plover
I’d always been rank 400-500 then in s2 my guild decided to try a bit harder and we got hof
summer quail
chrome plover
if you wanna put in the effort you get results
lost saffron
Yeh
chrome plover
you just gotta play and plan more
marsh kiln
But anyone can become good in wow if they want to
Time
lost saffron
You only notice like really really high up
lost saffron
Like in league when it's faker vs idk someone like perkz
That's when you notice talent
Not earlier
summer quail
The skill difference
ye like revvez proccing shards of domination shit by swapping stances. blew my mind
summer quail
oh ye super cringe, but i never would have thought of doing that in a million years
lost saffron
It's accumulation
And they just spend hours on ptr
Trying shit
Remember back in bfa
On the boss before jaina
You could jump between ships as dh
sullen dove
yeye exactly, i meant it more in a way that people like me that's in a top 1000 ...
I will
manic gulch
I’d always been rank 400-500 then in s2 my guild decided to try a bit harder and...
how many more hours you had to put for the hof ?
lean lava
which should i buy first using bulion's? Weapon or triniket? im without lego
chrome plover
how many more hours you had to put for the hof ?
we didnt raid more
we just tightened up the roster and started doing heroic splits
manic gulch
oh
nova gorge
I have the allied wrists, what's the second best choice for M+? <3
stable cove
second best craft? boots i believe right?
nova gorge
Okay! And shadowflame or? Bc I'm unsure :(
stable cove
shadowflame ya
nova gorge
bsl?
chrome plover
blue silken lining
chrome plover
you can see in the pins it's a very minimal difference
not sure what i'll craft next week
dense elbow
I have the allied wrists, what's the second best choice for M+? <3
BSL is often the choice, due to more AoE value
Chawie on the case :>
nova gorge
What about what darkall said, only worth 2x?
manic gulch
but shadowflame is more reliable
light tapir
I have the allied wrists, what's the second best choice for M+? <3
Enemy wrists
oblique trail
The most reliable choice is always going to be Vers wrists if you want a general choice
covert blaze
What about what darkall said, only worth 2x?
no
oblique trail
And the difference between embellishments is honestly so small, that it doesn't matter which combo you pick really, unless you care about the very min/max
I personally just craft BSL neck + Vers wrists, mostly because I play both specs, but also because Vers wrists will always be good no matter the context
manic gulch
bsl neck ?
oblique trail
Yes
vernal night
we still doing double Shadowflame?
long stone
we still doing double Shadowflame?
ST if you only play fury sim is batter 2x Shadowflame, but if you play Arms some times and want the batter aoe than i think the wrists with the versa buff a more the fit
balmy shore
i’ve been mia for like a week fury damage seems stinky
mild thunder
Pretty okay if you can run 489 of the Amirdrassil set.
summer quail
i’ve been mia for like a week fury damage seems stinky
Definetely stinky in raid
hasty path
i’ve been mia for like a week fury damage seems stinky
changing ur name for only a week is odd but you do you
south kayak
AV applicants be like
sullen dove
fair star
clever path
pretty gewd
sullen dove
bro is avoiding everything
clever path
oh hey i just saw you in que
sullen dove
and u didnt inv???
sullen dove
meta
hardy cargo
and u didnt inv???
I wouldve invited u 
dense elbow
Wouldnt be beat if Fury was buffed
Buffs when?
sour tundra
next xpac
amber arch
That’s pretty good dam for fury though
amber arch
I thought it was like miles behind arms in keys
dense elbow
Fury is fine in keys, even better if you dont go S3 build
amber arch
I have S4 tier
dense elbow
Then ya will do better
amber arch
But I did 1 key as fury and swapped to arms after doing tank damage
sour tundra
i mean locks doing 700-800k overall right now how does blizzard not see that other classes need buffs?
dense elbow
There is no way you did tank dam?
amber arch
i mean locks doing 700-800k overall right now how does blizzard not see that oth...
Ive never seen anyone finish a key that high. Most I’ve seen is like a bit over 500k
sour tundra
then your not playing high enough keys or bad locks
dense elbow
Highest I seen so far was 750k~ a hunterino
amber arch
Idk maybe I need to practice fury rotation more in keys
Ive been fury for ever. Always hated arms
inner harbor
yes in keys fury is decent
dense elbow
Do it, it is worth, ya will pump in m+
modest condor
i've seen spriest end with 1mil+
dense elbow
Just ignore your boss ST dam
modest condor
but that's with aug
amber arch
But I took a break since shadowlands and returned S3 DF
inner harbor
a mil is crazy
modest condor
yeah and we're still around 10 ilvls off cap
modest condor
i think arms can reach 1mil with aug too
amber arch
I miss OF
sour tundra
i see fury getting around 500k+ in keys
dense elbow
Play with OF with the meta spec? Does alright as burst AoE, will be 4-5% of your overall
Would be nice with a 51% buff, to actually not have it be a dps loss
modest condor
i think noxiv hit ~550k in AA as fury
sour tundra
yes
amber arch
I mean I miss OF with the s3 tier set
modest condor
which is more than half of waht spriest can do woohoo!
amber arch
Y’a I’m not doing that
dense elbow
Why not?
inner harbor
fun >> dps
amber arch
If you need to drop like 15 ilvls and wear s3 gear to outperform people in s4 gear there’s a tuning problem
dense elbow
S4 will outperform S3 on big AoE and more sustained AoE pulls
if you do 10s, the packs melt, so OF is a ton of value
amber arch
It should outperform on everything. I went to s4 gear and LOST DPS
dense elbow
It is what it is, but - point was, you can play S3 now if you want
amber arch
I like shiny new gear
dense elbow
Get new shiny axe and trinkies
amber arch
Got em
I run arms with 535 leggo, hero puzzle box and idol or anvil or ember of nullification lol
wanton mirage
Next Tuesday Fury buff confirm yet?
modest condor
wanton mirage
I have a little hope because there are like other specs who are in the same situation as us. So blizz might do everything altogether.
light tapir
Next Tuesday Fury buff confirm yet?
Yeah for 60 aspect crests you'll be able to swap out the bonus on your set 😉
No news really tho
chilly fractal
Fury Owns
red peak
I miss season 3
hardy cargo
just depleto the most cursed fucking 12 nokhud pug ever 22 deaths before storm boss bc people dont press their fucking interrupt holy
red peak
Sounds about right lol
hardy cargo
I had 26 tank had 20 ret pal and hunter tied at 5 pres evoker had 3 like damn
olive wraith
Tbf evoker kick is like 40 seconds
hardy cargo
fair, its moreso the ret pal and hunter just not pressing
can only judge him on 2nd zone as well since not many kicks near dragon
teal sable
Do I have to always dumb Rampage ASAP or should I always have at least one stack of Slaughtering Strikes
hardy cargo
if u can press rampage then slam it
teal sable
if u can press rampage then slam it
Even if it's not buffed?
hardy cargo
yes
teal sable
So Raging Blow is basically just a filler?
hardy cargo
yep
teal sable
Since Execute and Onslaught have prio?
hardy cargo
quiet bramble
Heh, fun watching reddit turn on the tier bonus that won for s4
teal sable
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
Does Execute have prio if I'm running WW?
hardy cargo
Does Execute have prio if I'm running WW?
ya, as long as still cleaving it in aoe
teal sable
ya, as long as still cleaving it in aoe
What if It's ST?
Then Onslaught and Rampage have prio over it?
hardy cargo
I think its very slightly above OS with both execute talents iirc from s2
teal sable
Ty
modest condor
ramp > bt if 100% crit > exe if talented into aj > ons > exe if not talented into aj > rb > bt if not 100% crit > ww
hardy cargo
^^
teal sable
ramp > bt if 100% crit > exe if talented into aj > ons > exe if not talented int...
Appreciate it
glad coyote
they said tuning coming tuesday with patching
past pivot
they said tuning coming tuesday with patching
who's "they"?
warm crag
they
devout totem
the voices in my head
upbeat sentinel
Yeah OK they also said they'd tune the set bonuses to actually be good
glad coyote
i mean
they also knew that the lego couldnt be upgraded on ptr for 2-3 months yet it went live broken
so we can only hope we get some tuning come tuesday
"plenty of tuning"
upbeat sentinel
"rampage damage buffed by 5%" is all we gettin
glad coyote
never know man
upbeat sentinel
also am i the only one that likes the look of our H set significantly more than the M one
H Set + double Ashkandur mog
modest condor
i used that for most of aberus
hardy cargo
my favorite variant was the elite pvp version
that I didnt obtain bc I dont like to play pvp kekw
upbeat sentinel
I haven't enjoyed PvP in a really long time
modest condor
i havent done pvp since bfa and then i only did it because i needed bote and cnf
humble plover
Mythic color is pretty meh. 2nd weakest after regular PVP color imo
hasty path
i've seen spriest end with 1mil+
ive seen them end with 319k in bracken 
sullen basin
im guessing overall at end of dungeon should be something close to your single target sim?
modest condor
no not really it should be a decent bit higher
edgy widget
im guessing overall at end of dungeon should be something close to your single t...
not really any relation between them, but sims aren't really designed to tell you how much damage you should be doing in any piece of content anyway
sullen basin
got a long way to go then
only recently seen numbers close to 300k in dungeons and my single target sim is like 260k
skill issue?
edgy widget
ST sims are (by default) 5m encounters with full raid buffs, consumables, etc, etc
how much you'll do in dungeons really depends on a lot of factors, not the least of which being pull size and downtime
it's hard to say without really seeing both, but the fact that you are usually are hitting several targets at a time in dungeons means the dps should naturally be higher, yes
especially on fortified weeks
silver mantle
"rampage damage buffed by 5%" is all we gettin
Make it 50%, then I am willing to believe
wanton mirage
I just want to be doing more dmg then pinkmen.
They can suck up with their utilities
upbeat sentinel
Make it 50%, then I am willing to believe
If there’s a 0 in it, it’ll be 0% total
restive falcon
if u dont have leggo yet, would it be better to bullion for either ashkandur or Augury?
hardy cargo
if still farming it go trinket, pins also have some helpful advice on bullion usage
upbeat sentinel
if u dont have leggo yet, would it be better to bullion for either ashkandur or ...
Augury if you’re going to farm lege
Ashkandur if you don’t see yourself doing it
You only get 6 total pieces with bullions so they kinda need to be pieces you’ll have longterm
And even if you don’t farm lege, fury wars are pretty much the only ones rolling on Ashkandur so it shouldn’t be hard to get in a dedicated raid group
restive falcon
alrighty sick, wanting to get back into fury since its going back to AM playstyle do didnt know what to bullion
big preesh o7
hollow elk
wonder how bad it is to just get full max ilvl gear and keeping tier 3 lol
hollow elk
doubt it . at one point the tier will fall off. but if you do lower content i dont think it matters
celest sierra
tbh idt it will unless blizz buffs the new tier
inner harbor
just requiped my s3 tier set.... pumping so much harder
skill issue
meager void
everyday someone comes in cooking about using s3 set
chrome plover
it isnt as much as it should be of course, but my s4 set definitely pumps harder than my 489 season 3 set
celest sierra
everyday someone comes in cooking about using s3 set
i voted s2 buddy
meager void
s4 set does more dmg. We are undertuned or everyone else is overtuned, yes. But theres really no realistic scenario where you equip 489 s3 set to do more AoE or ST dps.
inner harbor
you just can't pump then
meager void
every. day.
celest sierra
bet u i will out dps u in any scenario with my 489 s3 set
inner harbor
you sure ?
celest sierra
put gold on it
meager void
and then their personal experience becomes "the numbers"
sturdy slate
Is arms like signficantly better than fury rn? Fury feels like ass
hollow elk
that mythic?
inner harbor
i know my class you won't outdps me with 489 gear
celest sierra
is that mythic?
inner harbor
show me urs
silver mantle
mythic raid?
celest sierra
well for one is that mythic? and 2 why cut the name off?
meager void
you know you can sim it right?
and that its been simmed
and settled
beyond any doubt
hollow elk
look like normal numbers
inner harbor
hollow elk
only know cuz my shitty heroic parses are doing higher dmg
inner harbor
yes xDD
chrome plover
hollow elk
dont even wanna show my mythic parses ~_~ took a break and didnt even get till they got stuck on fucking smoldering
inner harbor
ye just started the game on s3, i don't parse insane on older raids, i run about 80-85
meager void
ok don't believe me, believe Crit
sorry for screencap but didnt wanna tag for this bs again
inner harbor
ofc it does that's just pure logic
celest sierra
Wait im confused whats he saying @meager void whats the correct talents
meager void
s4 > s3, thats what he's saying
inner harbor
even on sims, u run about 700k on 5 bosses rather than 500k with s3
hollow elk
people are simming s3 tier with s4 skills and going " LOOK GUYS IM DOING SO MUCH LESS DPS HUEHUEHUHE"
inner harbor
Wait im confused whats he saying <@657372973883326517> whats the correct talent...
don"t tell me u play s3 build with s4 set
hollow elk
or s4 tier with s3 skills w.e point is they are either being dumb on purpose or worse not on purpose
s4 tier is garbage but its not that much garbage that s3 beats it when properly used
clever path
is there a way to macro so that if one button can't be used/cast it goes to the next in the chain?
like if it can't Rampage, it goes to the next button?
silver mantle
Why is this even a discussion tho?
The stat loss alone would be enough to put s4 ahead
young swan
you would think so!
dapper goblet
mald
clever path
The stat loss alone would be enough to put s4 ahead
except its not
that's the fucked part
past pivot
is there a way to macro so that if one button can't be used/cast it goes to the ...
No. Against the TOS.
clever path
:rope:
celest sierra
The stat loss alone would be enough to put s4 ahead
it doesnt tho
silver mantle
So you guys are telling me that a 150+ ilevel difference in gear still has s3 pull ahead of s4?
I find that a bit sus
past pivot
150 ilvl????
clever belfry
the numbers mason
sullen basin
So you guys are telling me that a 150+ ilevel difference in gear still has s3 pu...
do you mean total ilvl because thats stupid to use as a metric
silver mantle
Ah, no, not average ilevel
sullen basin
just say 30-40 each
young swan
unsure where the 150 number came from
gilded pawn
thats not how ilevel works
past pivot
I meant combined
What are you smoking?
sullen basin
ilevel 522 s4 vs ilevel 483 s3 who wins
gilded pawn
ive NEVER seen anyone compute ilevel like this
alpine adder
cataclysmic signet brand ilvl 476 vs ruby whelp shell 502 and upgradeable?
past pivot
Post someone at 522.
silver mantle
The difference between 4 max lvl items from s4 and the 4 max lvl items from s3 was what I was referring to
I didn't mean the total average ilevel of a player, since that involved other items as well
Should have phrased it more clearly, sorry
harsh imp
arm is better to fury ?? on this patch ?
young swan
yeah
harsh imp
but furry is viable ?
modest condor
why are you asking about furries in a wow discord?
inner harbor
...
empty mirage
play what you enjoy but playing fury will get you declined from a lot of pve shit just for being a fury
harsh imp
why are you asking about furries in a wow discord?
?
past pivot
Arms is much better than Fury right now. In all content. Not sure tuning can help bridge the big gap, tbh
harsh imp
Arms is much better than Fury right now. In all content. Not sure tuning can hel...
yehah
past pivot
?
It’s Fury. Furry is like a dog or cat. Or person who dresses like one for personal gratification.
harsh imp
ah xd
young swan
Arms is much better than Fury right now. In all content. Not sure tuning can hel...
if they buffed fury by a flat 10% the gap would be bridged (or very, very close)
past pivot
if they buffed fury by a flat 10% the gap would be bridged (or very, very close)
Last I simmed, it would need to be about 15% to be about even.
empty mirage
yeah just a 10% rampage buff and it would be fine
young swan
in bis its like a 10% diff
empty mirage
thats outta pocket
modest condor
that took 2 minutes longer than it should have
inner harbor
you have too much free time
modest condor
we're waiting for groups to be set up in raid
empty mirage
who has the chart for the leggo drop rate each week
young swan
in bis its like a 10% diff
for reference
its not quite that simple, a 10% buff would be a bit less because of how many cantrip effects we have
but you get the idea
young swan
real
modest condor
real
empty mirage
technically
i should do double the damage compared to arms
because double the pointy stick
blizzard needs to hire me
upbeat sentinel
Raidbots is suggesting I go double wafting for M+. Does that sound right?
candid falcon
i use double wafting in ST but im insane
empty mirage
whenever wafting procs its just a personal bloodlust lmao
upbeat sentinel
whenever wafting procs its just a personal bloodlust lmao
With fucktons of speed
Do both proc together, or just higher uptime?
empty mirage
pretty sure if god is with you they can both proc at the same time
its a random when they proc
young swan
they proc together
empty mirage
thereyago
young swan
just one big proc
empty mirage
i honestly might swap one for sophic
upbeat sentinel
just one big proc
5000apm
I tried to sim for what main gem to use and my sim says I'm better off with empty gem sockets than using a str one
modest condor
that's unfortunate
upbeat sentinel
that's unfortunate
Just gonna run it again lmao
it did it again
Am I stupid or smth
upbeat sentinel
sullen dove
do you not have other gems selected
so your bracer and rings are empty and have no gems in them
upbeat sentinel
I typically run the sim for main gem and the others separately since you can't select everything
maybe if i turn off replace existing
sullen dove
also you should click on the necklace in the drop down to say “add max sockets” cause you aren’t doing that either
yes
if u replace existing with no gems picked it just removes the gems
upbeat sentinel
the neck has max sockets
sullen dove
I guess I couldn’t tell from mobile but w/e
same reasoning then
didn’t pick any gems to put in there
i don’t think it should add to the combinations if u only select 1 gem
or maybe check the “always use” for the mainstat one to bring it down more
sullen dove
idk if its just premium buff or whatever but i only picked 2 extra gems and it added like no combinations
dusty brook
is the icy veins fury rota correct for season 4 and t4 set boni?
sullen dove
well thats just what i picked cuz its what s3 used but maybe yea u can get haste in there or something too
upbeat sentinel
well thats just what i picked cuz its what s3 used but maybe yea u can get haste...
na its probably right, i simmed all 12 and it gave me mast/vers
about to be running crazy high vers + avoidance lmao
TAKE NO DAM
inner harbor
i get haste/crit
upbeat sentinel
For Dungeon Slice in M+ talents?
inner harbor
for everything, i simmed every talent builds
inner harbor
27
meager void
For MT sim patchwerk 5t 5min and adjust for the buffs you think you might have
dusty brook
what are prio stats for mythic raid?
dusty brook
any values that i should reah? tempovise
inner harbor
what are prio stats for mythic raid?
yes depends on your actual gear, check murlok.io if you want a general idea
past pivot
Leggy likes lots of vers.
unreal onyx
using leggo in 1st pull AA if you pull all mobs
insano mode dmg
just had one use with 14mil DMG
dusty brook
yes depends on your actual gear, check murlok.io if you want a general idea
thx 🙂
unreal onyx
that's sim variance, right?
noway armor kits have influence on dmg if the mainstat gain is the same
upbeat sentinel
noway armor kits have influence on dmg if the mainstat gain is the same
Dont they have different secondaries
Oh nvm
unreal onyx
covert blaze
noway armor kits have influence on dmg if the mainstat gain is the same
There is a talent that gives you mainstat from armor
I forget the name
upbeat sentinel
Best tertiary is still generally considered Avoidance, ya?
sullen tendon
i remember 4 months ago when the vote was going on and I kept telling people who were voting for season 2 they are going to complain about it when it comes and then EU botted 4000 votes for season 2 overnight.
shell jackal
would these have been 99s if i was in the s4 4pc?
i'm running fury s3
or am i just playing badly
unreal onyx
I doubt that would've made a difference
unreal onyx
that or your gear is not the best
shell jackal
502
or well 499/500 at the time of the raid
this was heroic, by the way, i'm not in a good enough guild to have cleared awakened M yet
unreal onyx
you're competing with up to 419 ilvl players
shell jackal
i hope you mean 519 or i'm actually hot runny dogshit
unreal onyx
tbf tho, the top15 kazzara hc logs are all S3 set