fury

[sullen dove]

well youre definitely not there for "good dam"

cuz u dont do that either

[manic gulch]

why would you take fear over shockwave ?

[sullen dove]

so youre taking shockwave bud

[young swan]

ur there to buff a rogue

[lost bison]

brain damage perhaps

[young swan]

poggers

[zealous condor]

this

[lost saffron]

Rogue bad

[manic gulch]

its because you don't want to spend the talent points to go for shockwave ?

[zealous condor]

not with the current tier

[urban drum]

what spec is closest to fury

[zealous condor]

maybe u can if ur group needs but

[manic gulch]

outlaw

[zealous condor]

thats a big feels bad for u

[manic gulch]

outlaw is more fury than fury

[lost saffron]

Dh

[celest sierra]

What else would u take then ?

[zealous condor]

what point u dropping to take shockwave boys?

[young swan]

think ive heard people say enh?

idk cause i dont play enh

[manic gulch]

they said they take fear and not shockwave

[lost saffron]

Nah

[celest sierra]

Na Shamens are slappin rn

[manic gulch]

i'm asking why

[young swan]

but its usually like enhance and outlaw

[lost bison]

bm hunter probably

[manic gulch]

because shockwave seems better than fear

[zealous condor]

u cant tho xd

[lost saffron]

Enh is closer to arms than it is to fury

[manic gulch]

but you do lose dmg because you have to go deep into the tree

[celest sierra]

Shockwave is better , fear is capped

[lost saffron]

Ngl

[manic gulch]

to get it

[celest sierra]

And higher cd I believe

[lost saffron]

Shock wave sucks ass

[lost bison]

warrior in m+

[olive wraith]

Would you prefer a 2% dmg loss or a wipe saving stop

[ashen socket]

No? its good just where it is in the tree is ass

which thats getting changed

[celest sierra]

This

[olive wraith]

It’s not even that bad lol

[lost saffron]

2% dmg

Anytime

[sullen dove]

lol

ok

[keen kindle]

Not even lol

[olive wraith]

Then swap specs

[keen kindle]

How much of uproar do you loose

[olive wraith]

Cause we have some utility you just don’t choose to get it

[keen kindle]

With pug tanks

[sullen dove]

"will i pad overall by 5k more dps or will i possibly help prevent multiple group members deaths"

"i wonder what is more valuable for the team"

[lost bison]

can you read?

[lost saffron]

What team

[lost bison]

he said ur there for the BIG DAM

hop on fury warrior

[sullen dove]

that wasnt him

and fury does NOT do big dam

😭

[olive wraith]

Do I pad in keys >10 with uproar?

[lost bison]

hop

on

[celest sierra]

Anyone else feel like onslaught isn’t doing much fun

[keen kindle]

People think about the team in keys?

[lost bison]

fury

warrior

[olive wraith]

You bet your ass I do

[celest sierra]

Much rn *

[zealous condor]

what util lmao

cus its all ass

and u should never be taking it

[lost saffron]

You always pad

[zealous condor]

in any situation

[olive wraith]

Shockwave and fear

Didn’t we just say this

[lost saffron]

You don't need the cc

[zealous condor]

u take fear rn

[celest sierra]

I’m running shockwave and storm bolt

[zealous condor]

cant take shockwave]

cus tree is bad

[sullen dove]

you are out of your mind

[manic gulch]

shockwave is great

[olive wraith]

You can

[keen kindle]

Ah yes using our only stop is bad cuz oh nooooo I loose 5k

[sullen dove]

"cant take"

[lost saffron]

Just bring classes that can cc

[manic gulch]

its not much

but its honest work

[lost saffron]

So you can do big damage

[manic gulch]

[olive wraith]

You’re choosing not to

[lost bison]

least delusional m+ player

[urban drum]

[zealous condor]

go look if the number 1 fury warr takes shockwave

please

[lost saffron]

No thanks

[sullen dove]

wow 1 fury warrior doesnt take shockwave!! therefore you should never take it!!!

[olive wraith]

What other classes does he take

[lost bison]

if=#1 warrior, = correct

[mossy fox]

you definitely can and should take shockwave fear and bolt to every key

[sullen dove]

clown

[olive wraith]

Oh look

[zealous condor]

when can u ever do that crit

[lost saffron]

The number 1 fury is prolly at like 2k rio

[zealous condor]

cus u never really can

[sullen dove]

every key

you can

[olive wraith]

Crit, a fury that pushes high keys

[mossy fox]

yes you can

[olive wraith]

Says shockwave

[celest sierra]

What point would we give up to take all 3 tho ?

[tidal kindle]

You can in every key

[lost saffron]

What

Where

[manic gulch]

in higher keys you want all the utility you can get

even at the loss of dmg

[lost bison]

but.. you lose cruel strikes!!!!

NOOOOOOOO

[manic gulch]

cc is more important

[olive wraith]

Ok you’re trolling toph

[manic gulch]

because if a cast goes through you can get wiped

[young swan]

he also plays with double evoker, rogue, druid

bad comparison

[urban drum]

top warrior in the world doesnt take shockwave?

[manic gulch]

what the top players do

is not an accurate way to find out what is the best

[lost saffron]

@mossy fox cute cleaves today

[zealous condor]

u dont need to take em with a vdh in ur group really

fear sure

[mossy fox]

thanks toph

[zealous condor]

but not shockwave usually

[manic gulch]

because the top players play with their teams

and with specific comps

[tidal kindle]

Top warrior plays with a comp that enables him to not take shockwave
Doesn't mean every other warrior will do the same

[lost saffron]

Yes it does

[zealous condor]

most will play with a comp like that

👍

[celest sierra]

That’s the difference right there

[olive wraith]

Average Joe warrior can and should swave

[olive wraith]

Most pugs? You high

[lost saffron]

Average Joe warrior

[sullen dove]

unless youre in that type of top end push group you are not important enough to take minute roar

over shockwave

[zealous condor]

not most pugs

[sullen dove]

100% guarantee

[lost saffron]

Will not do keys higher than 10

[radiant plank]

Fury moment

[zealous condor]

take whatever u want who cares

[lost bison]

week 2 rank 1 warrior doesnt play shockwave

based take

[lost saffron]

If even

[celest sierra]

I wonder what title range will be this season

[lost saffron]

Like 12

[zealous condor]

fury in s2 didnt take shockwave unless u had too

which u very rarely ever did

[lost saffron]

Definitely higher than 12

[olive wraith]

Uh

[keen kindle]

Probally 20s

[olive wraith]

People were indeed taking shockwave s2

[zealous condor]

it was rare for sure

[lost saffron]

No they werent

[mossy fox]

it wasn't and isn't a big loss to take it

[olive wraith]

That was NL season right?

[lost bison]

s2 = s4

[lost saffron]

I didn't take shockwave in season 2

[regal grotto]

depends on the group honestly

[radiant plank]

Inspiring presence had a low pickrate ahh take

[lost bison]

i literally cannot play the game if i have to drop cruel strikes

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure it was still fairly common in s2

[lost bison]

shockwave is for losers

[lost saffron]

True

[keen kindle]

...as FURY

[lost saffron]

Playing fury is already being a loser

Tbh

[lost bison]

in m+ yes

correct take

[mossy fox]

i also didn't take shockwave but i play with the same premade ive played with for years

and tbh even then i could benefit from shockwave sometimes

[lost saffron]

Yes I didn't take shockwave in pugs

[zealous condor]

yeah im saying in big keys u probably arent supposed to take shockwave

[mossy fox]

you sure are

[zealous condor]

if u wanna in ur weekly keys go for it

[lost bison]

in big keys ur not supposed to play fury lil broski

[olive wraith]

You want the stops lmao

For big keys

[lost saffron]

What

[manic gulch]

i always take shockwave and hammer but only slot fear in 23+ and up

[olive wraith]

For easy keys you take pad

[tidal kindle]

End of the day the question shouldn't be "Does so and so take shockwave and does that mean I take shockwave"

It should be "How can I make this key easier for me and my team"

[radiant plank]

thats why you have VDH

[manic gulch]

[radiant plank]

not your shockwave

kekw

[lost saffron]

Brother doesn't know what he is saying himself

[zealous condor]

^^^bingo^^^

[lost saffron]

Just using random words

[tidal kindle]

1-3% overall dam vs uncapped aoe stops

[mossy fox]

more stops allows for bigger pulls

means you also gain time

[lost bison]

but what did the rank 1 warrior do?

[zealous condor]

like i said

[lost saffron]

Depends on whether they are needed

[zealous condor]

its super group dependant

[radiant plank]

More stops when Vdh already solo cc's packs for 30s on their own

[regal grotto]

thats a problem that lots of people have,

[zealous condor]

even key dependant

[ashen socket]

And big pulls=more dammy

[mossy fox]

yes vdh is bonkers atm but they dont literally solo cc every pack

[lost saffron]

Big pulls as fury

[radiant plank]

Trying to spread propaganda for nerfs

[lost saffron]

XD

[lost bison]

i think you should always play shockwave, your party will most likely need it because you are playing warrior in m+ push instead of a good class for m+

thx for coming to my ted talk

[tidal kindle]

Even more reason to take shockwave

[radiant plank]

5 target hard cap

owned

[tidal kindle]

Hardcapped 5T anyway

[lost saffron]

Just play arms

Arms is superior in every way

Not capped

Doesn't take shockwave

[radiant plank]

arms dies :(

[lost saffron]

Just better

[zealous condor]

fr

[ashen socket]

Well aware? Your big cds however are not capped which is alot of your damage

[lost bison]

not capped, doesnt take shockwave, is literally the worst designed spec in the game, big weapon

[olive wraith]

Can I tell you a secret

[sullen dove]

except it does

literally

[lost bison]

hop on arms

[olive wraith]

Arms can still take shockwave

[sullen dove]

lol

[mossy fox]

arms can easily take shockwave too

[sullen dove]

even moreso than fury

[olive wraith]

Lmao

[lost saffron]

The big cds are actually capped too

[sullen dove]

lining roar with avatar

is like way better

[lost saffron]

To 20 targets

[sullen dove]

than a roar without avatar

fury has that option

arms doesnt

[twilit harbor]

Pressing shock wave is fun!

Nice noise

[mossy fox]

same people who complain about utility often also dont pick fear bolt and shockwave

[zealous condor]

i like shockwave

[ashen socket]

How often are you pulling more than 20 outside of alg and bracken?

[twilit harbor]

Baddies stop moving

[ashen socket]

Not often at all

[twilit harbor]

I'm helping

[lost saffron]

Always

[zealous condor]

hey i mean

[ashen socket]

the 20 target cap argument is dumb so stop using it

[zealous condor]

thats very mediocre util compared to the majority of other classes crit

[lost saffron]

In my +2s I always pull the whole dungeon

[ashen socket]

Warriors will never be happy unless they are in mdi

[olive wraith]

We were in mdi

Last season

[lost bison]

very mediocre m+ dmg too

reroll

[zealous condor]

i just wanna be able to do incorp reliably

[lost saffron]

Nah we werent

[regal grotto]

what talent do yall swap for INt shout? thats the only one i usually dont take

[olive wraith]

There was 1 team that used fury

[mossy fox]

i guess you can just bring nothing then

[zealous condor]

EZ

[ebon junco]

im there for dam

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[zealous condor]

thats the warrior baby

[lost saffron]

Yes that's what I like to do

[olive wraith]

(They were in losers bracket and basically conceded the match)

[lost bison]

i play warrior because this m+ push group needed 1 more player doing tank dps

log in

(meme)

[mossy fox]

depends what youve got talented but honed reflexes is the first thing i tell ppl to drop to get utility

[regal grotto]

Dope

thanks mane

[zealous condor]

its just not enough in the current economy to only have good stops

is all im saying

[lost bison]

ur also target capped

[zealous condor]

thats whatever

[lost bison]

aaaha

so bad dmg = not a problem

bad util = problem

[olive wraith]

You can’t say warriors have no utility when we have some (no one is saying we’re vdh)

[lost bison]

im sure ur party members enjoy playing with u

[zealous condor]

im not saying no util

its just very mediocre in the grand scheme

shockwave is a worse leg sweep, fear is target capped bolt is a worse HOJ

[tidal kindle]

By that logic you can say warrior is mediocre in the grand scheme

[zealous condor]

thats cus it is

[tidal kindle]

Worse ST than X class, worse AoE than Y class, worse cleave than Z class

[tidal kindle]

So back to this

[mossy fox]

damn must be the worst class then huh

[keen kindle]

if you're just gonna compare warrior to evrey other class and say they're better

[radiant plank]

Whats yall thoughts on drake vs kendrik btw

kendrik dropped nwe track 8min ago

[keen kindle]

Why are you here?

Like why are you even playing warrior or disscussing it?

[tidal kindle]

Or if we go by this logic, why bring warrior to a key

[dapper goblet]

great content

[lost bison]

because he would rather vote for s2 fury set than reroll to a better class for m+

[zealous condor]

cus warrior is fun and itd be nice if it got some good changes 😄

[radiant plank]

Go listen "not like us"

8min ago new drake diss

[dapper goblet]

🫡

[tidal kindle]

Then no need to back against correct advice for how warrior currently is because of good changes you would like to see in the future

[lost bison]

don't you understand.. he literally cannot take shockwave?

[tidal kindle]

Another one?

[radiant plank]

yep

[lost bison]

how will he deal enough damage if he takes it

[tidal kindle]

Can't believe cole robbed us....

[dapper goblet]

snake..

[chrome plover]

[zealous condor]

I mean it doesnt really help

u just go from meh to kinda meh

imo

[open prairie]

utility is a cope argument

damage is the most important

[mossy fox]

warrior definitely has some strengths

[zealous condor]

I agree

[mossy fox]

being pretty much the tankiest dps especially when played properly is one of them

[compact knot]

taking util = doing more damage, applys in higher keys and lower keys, less likely to die

[zealous condor]

the raid buff is very good and its tankiness is super good

[lost bison]

aaaand.. thats about it

[compact knot]

we dont even lose much taking our util

is free

[radiant plank]

Big expectations for #fury

[final birch]

we lose more than other classes

iirc

but that shouldnt stop you

[compact knot]

i wont be able to play without my 2% crit

FUCK MAN

its so over

[final birch]

you're missing the point.

[lost bison]

ur m+ group for sure didnt bring u for ur dmg anyway

[final birch]

🙂

[lost bison]

so why not spec shockwave

[mossy fox]

some of the reflect techs are big especially for the tank

[zealous condor]

thats a good point too

[olive wraith]

NO

[mossy fox]

and just skipping major damage altogether with reflect lets the healrr chill

[zealous condor]

u can melt bosses with reflect

[olive wraith]

Fat reflects

[open prairie]

average person talks about utility

while being capped at weekly vault keys

[compact knot]

real

[final birch]

people are overthinking stuff

most of the "prio" "util"

its irrelevant till x key level

you just brute force shit by big overalls

[manic gulch]

what you mean capped at vault

[chrome plover]

i fuck up the +8-10s

[open prairie]

like if all you did was 20s last season

[chrome plover]

for real

[open prairie]

you could play 5 tanks

[woven atlas]

damn just saw at first mythic boss in Aberrus the best log was using S3 set haha, and we still get no buff. Insane

[compact knot]

i did a couple of these

easiest shit i ever ran

[final birch]

you could play 5 warriors

[manic gulch]

you could play 4 rets and vdh

[open prairie]

unironically 5 warriors is harder

[manic gulch]

oh wait

they did that at mdi

[open prairie]

you need to know what your buttons do

[modest condor]

yeah i took every tank hit on the first boss in AV in week 1 because the tank kept getting clapped by it xd

[final birch]

I mean 5 warriors 100% is harder

than 5 tanks

you get dot on you

you're fucked

[compact knot]

s3 tier set is just real good on st

[chrome plover]

that ability fucked tanks so hard last week lmaoo

[compact knot]

until you get like heroic s4 tier set

[woven atlas]

the other Parses below him has full heroic set.

[radiant plank]

Surely it cant be a skill issue gap

[open prairie]

pov: when 3 of your tier is already mythic

[modest condor]

yeah but i wonder if there will be a point where you cant do it anymore because you need SR for the aoe

[compact knot]

well its mobbo and his gear is insanely cracked right now

so

[lost bison]

any warrior with some crumble of sanity has specced arms anyway

[compact knot]

makes sense that he is first

[final birch]

I dont think

[zealous condor]

yeppers

[final birch]

you will realistically NEED that

[open prairie]

grug discover fire

[modest condor]

i feel the same in NO, last boss reflect is big but i'm already almost getting 1shot if i get targeted by the spear

[chrome plover]

yeah honestly

same with nokhud yeah

that spear just...

[lost bison]

507?

[final birch]

dstance + some group defensive

better gear

[modest condor]

better gear doesnt counter infinitely scaling content

[zealous condor]

id say d stance will be enough

[final birch]

ye but its not infinite

[modest condor]

just moves the limit up a keylevel

[final birch]

you're gonna be capped at some point

[compact knot]

ilvl isnt really a real thing for warrior, this was his vs mine with a pretty decent ilvl gap

[final birch]

they should delete tetriaries

[lost bison]

thats a cooked statement

[final birch]

that's dumb shit

[modest condor]

overall ilvl doesnt mean anything for any spec, that's why ilvl parses are useless

person with a 528 weapon vs person with a 528 wrist will have the same ilvl but do significantly more dps

[open prairie]

did anyone not upgrade fyralath first

[storm rune]

ilvl means nothing until you beat me on the meters, then I have something to blame it on

[compact knot]

right, he has max lego and max mythic offhand, with anvil and eranog ring with 2 BSL on the first boss

[chrome plover]

yeah people who dont have it

[open prairie]

skill issue tbh

[compact knot]

and first boss i swear i was like always full hp so 2 BSL cranks on it

[modest condor]

i reckon not many hunters or mages upgraded fyralath

[open prairie]

i wonder what ilvl fyralath comes if you make it this tier

[ebon junco]

kinda is tho

isnt it

[open prairie]

whats a hunter btw

[final birch]

@ebon junco

what ilv are u

max

[open prairie]

is it this thing on my raidframes that says dead

[ebon junco]

519

[final birch]

raw ilv

whats your stamina

as arms

[zealous condor]

[ebon junco]

no clue

bro i dont just

[dapper goblet]

mobbo must have insane gear at 508 if we sim the same and im 10 ilvls higher..

[ebon junco]

keep track of my stamina

values

offline

[zealous condor]

kinda weird

[final birch]

neither do I

I just wanted to check something now

and I have no idea how much stamina can I expect at 520/525

[modest condor]

i just know i have about 300k hp more than people in my pugs Kappa

[final birch]

like 65? as arms

[lost bison]

he can sim all he wants

his anvil isnt doing shit on a 3min fight

[compact knot]

he had 70% 2x BSL uptime anyways lmao

[lost bison]

although

[compact knot]

free 1600 mastery

[lost bison]

if him being rank 1 on kazzara in week 2 of the patch, playing with s3 set, while literally everyone else and their mom has respecced to arms, tells us that s3 set is better than s2 set

im all for it

[compact knot]

oh if s3 set was voted we would be alot better on ST for raid

and probably just raid in general

s2 just more fun imo as well

[ebon junco]

holy smokes

big gamer

[sullen dove]

real

[ebon junco]

moves

[lost bison]

hop on s3 fury

[radiant plank]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1230539998898684057.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[ebon junco]

hop on the rope to freedom

[lost bison]

pretty sure current arms and fury represents each end of the rope

[ebon junco]

Pretty sure it's fated season and ppl can play w/e

[zealous condor]

^^^

PLAY FOR FUN

ITS FILLER

said that to begin with

[lost bison]

of course, you are entitled to having a bad opinion of what is fun

[dapper goblet]

love am

[lost bison]

enjoy

[mossy fox]

same

my fault it's tuned bad tho

[dapper goblet]

[radiant plank]

did u do the clickbait stram title today

[storm rune]

Endorses bad set, gets bad set, I cry every time

[dapper goblet]

cant believe people voted for season2/season1 hoping they would tune it and not because they enjoy that playstyle more

[mossy fox]

nah

[tacit schooner]

does the leggo obey dif lockouts based on difficulty? idr how this thing works i never got it in s3

[radiant plank]

[lost bison]

thats because the latter group doesnt exist, or if they do they are just wrong

[ebon junco]

weak numberrs

[dapper goblet]

uh huh

[desert cloud]

Just do heroic 14 times

And it’ll drop

[tacit schooner]

jesus lmfao

i just did it on lfr

did i bone myself for the week?

[desert cloud]

Doing full runs is better cuz u have more chance

[ashen socket]

No

[radiant plank]

or 7 mythics

[compact knot]

yeah idk what i did wrong tbh, my gear is decent too, close to best gems and enchants, ect ect

[desert cloud]

If u do on lfr u can do on normal and hero

[open prairie]

everyone votes s2

[tacit schooner]

okay sick

[open prairie]

then plays arms

le mao

[desert cloud]

If u do on hero u can only do on mythic

[smoky prawn]

real

[ebon junco]

Walhe... I'm sad to inform you somethin in DMs

[ashen socket]

French cat

[tacit schooner]

ohhhh thats right okay

[smoky prawn]

literally what i said yesterday already and now we have poopoo set

[desert cloud]

It’s like higher diff stacks chance of the lower diff

[lost bison]

but... slam = bad

so s2 = good

checkmate

[open prairie]

i mean

change your slam icon

to rb icon

[lost bison]

u think s2 voters know how to do that?

have some respect

[mossy fox]

arms is literally 2nd highest ST sim rn cause it won the tuning lottery

of course ppl play it

[dapper goblet]

bandaid fix for dogshit talents/tier

[modest condor]

no it's because arms players voted for the strongest set duh

[dapper goblet]

hide the real button with a picture of a better button

[open prairie]

i saw a guy with his wa icons set to peepos

[dapper goblet]

its like the meme of the crying guy with a happy mask on

[open prairie]

absolutely based

[hard relic]

wait

[desert cloud]

Well now they won’t buff fury cuz arms is good

[hard relic]

mobbo you stole my fuckin rank 1 kazzara parse

[desert cloud]

They need to both suck for fury to get buffs

[hard relic]

smadge

[mossy fox]

ppl have asked which spec i find more fun this season and i say fury every time

numbers are numbers tho

[dapper goblet]

[lost bison]

somehow arms design is worse than s2 fury

[desert cloud]

It’s like what they did to assa last season they just killed it and now that sub is good no one cares abt assa anymore

[modest condor]

cant believe you sabotaged the fury vote just so you could play arms this season because your uncle works at blizzard and you got him to buff arms

[mossy fox]

arms has been a mess the entire expansion, but thats a different subject

[desert cloud]

Are we gonna have to charge weave next expansion with arms ?

[modest condor]

probably

well you dont have to

[tacit schooner]

Really arms is considered a mess rn? i thought it's played pretty well all xpac

[modest condor]

but with rage gen being lower it's probably back

[desert cloud]

That’s some great 2025 game design

[tacit schooner]

except maybe that fervor of battle m+ build from s3, wasnt a fan of that

[hard relic]

have the rage generation changes been applied in alpha already?

oops didnt mean to ping that msg

[dapper goblet]

a mess the last 3 expansions*

[mossy fox]

true

legion was the last time it was good

[desert cloud]

I hope they apply some new patch notes to buff warrior designers brain power next expansion

[mossy fox]

tuning aside the design was prolly best overall in tomb imo

[lost bison]

i liked playing arms in sanctum and sepulcher, maybe wasnt great but im also not a wow boomer so dunno what it was like before that

this expansion however...

[open prairie]

because most players confuse high numbers with fun

[desert cloud]

It wss great in cata

[zealous condor]

what is considered a wow boomer

[ebon junco]

du e typ 12 år gammal You just need to play more wow

[zealous condor]

playing cata when it was current?

[lost bison]

not wrong

[dapper goblet]

cata arms owns

[open prairie]

not like s3 assa was fun it was just sub with poison spells

[dapper goblet]

having a blast

[desert cloud]

Some people have fun when they see big numberrs

[ebon junco]

go play classic quit retail to come back and say "cata was so good b4"

[lost bison]

over my dead body

[open prairie]

the peak of a wow boomer

is male human ret paladin

in t2

[lost bison]

dragonflight has actually been really good

fated obviously sucks but

[desert cloud]

Wow boomer isn’t a thing

[open prairie]

or

[desert cloud]

There isn’t a single new player coming to this game

[open prairie]

people who play undead rogue

[chrome plover]

define new player

[desert cloud]

Most people in wow have a min 5 years experience

[lost bison]

ur a wow boomer if u have been playing challenging content since before bfa

[chrome plover]

my gf started in shadowlands

and she has a ce

[desert cloud]

U made her

She would’ve never played

[mossy fox]

my guild has actually seen several apps from ppl who started in sl/df

[desert cloud]

Otherwise

[lost bison]

im a shadowlands baby

best expansion (meme)

[zealous condor]

I started in SL season 4

I am wow zoomer

[desert cloud]

Well i bought a wow to sub in the beginning of df

[radiant plank]

SL s4 baby : 3

[desert cloud]

But i had a lot of knowledge

I watched people play the game since i was 12

[mossy fox]

never thought ppl do that with wow

i know they do for games like starcraft etc cause ive been watching for years but i dont play

[zealous condor]

watching people play high M+ is very entertaining

[desert cloud]

For my case i always wanted to play but as a kid i can’t buy wow sub

[smoky prawn]

real

[hard relic]

seconded

[smoky prawn]

started s3/s4 SL aswell

[hard relic]

the barrier of entry for this game is so high in comparison to so many other games

[smoky prawn]

i wish i played back then tho, all my friends were playing it during legion peak

wouldve been great

[brave lichen]

fr

[dapper goblet]

the bad thing about playing in legion though is you had to then play the worst wow expansion of all time

BFA

[desert cloud]

Man i was watching swifty beta testing legion lol

Those are the days

And pilav destroying people back in cata

And mop

[hard relic]

I remember watching swifty go to the skatepark with my best fren on youtube

[open prairie]

what was worse bfa or sl

[dapper goblet]

bfa

easily

[zealous condor]

the way M+ worked seems awful in bfa

[young swan]

SL for me

[desert cloud]

I played bfa on a private server for 1 week then quit cuz i found it boring

[hard relic]

I didnt touch BFA what made it so bad?

[dapper goblet]

everything

[modest condor]

sl hands down

[open prairie]

castle nathria was a decent intro raid

[chrome plover]

bfa for me

[open prairie]

uldir was

what the fuck is this

[hard relic]

not a single redeeming quality coming to mind seems pretty fuckin bad indeed jesus

[modest condor]

cn had 2 good bosses and 5 bad bosses idk why it gets praised so much all the time

[smoky prawn]

most of my fellas that have been playing for a while say sl was most shit, but s4 patched it up a bit

[dapper goblet]

bfa was when they added all the dogshit gcd stuff too

azerite armor

[desert cloud]

Cuz of the vibe

[young swan]

SL was target cap

never forget

[hard relic]

wasnt CN current when covid lockdowns hit?

[desert cloud]

Same reason why people love mediv’s place forgot the raid name

[open prairie]

no that was nyalotha

[smoky prawn]

karazhan

[desert cloud]

Yea they give off great vibes

[ashen socket]

BFA was flat dogshit. Got rid of tier and added alot of things that were just bad, Nothing good came out of that expac, Slands had alot of good things but had too many bad things tainting it, it was also the expac that brought back tier. You get rid of the content drought and don't have blizzard employees stealing breast milk and the expac probably turns out to be pretty decent

[desert cloud]

Outside of boss design

[ashen socket]

And if they listen to fedback

[open prairie]

azerite armor was you took artifacts

[desert cloud]

That’s too much words

[open prairie]

and made something more cheeks

[modest condor]

shadowlands is also the expansion of conduit energy

[open prairie]

also gamba for a piece

[brave cairn]

Saying BFA is better when you had 7 layers of RNG on your loot

[modest condor]

like anything positive you can say about shadowlands just instantly gets hard countered by soft locking you into a covenant and having conduit energy

[open prairie]

oh yeah bfa you could rng socket on any piece of gear

absolutely legendary

[ashen socket]

Slands introduced the great vault too

[desert cloud]

The fact that made me wanna kms in SL was having to redo the weekly stuff on an alt to craft lego the fking tower of hell

[lost bison]

dragonflight has been an amazing expansion, as long as ur ok playing fury instead of arms

until now ofc

[open prairie]

i remember getting a socket on like all but 2 slots in s2 bfa

taking a 10 day vacation and not even that behind on gear

[brave cairn]

That's okay I still play s3 set and do more damage than in my s4

[open prairie]

since base mythic was worse than hc socketed

[desert cloud]

Arms has been good almost every season

[hard relic]

maybe its because I started on S3 of SL but I remember doing torghast for fun as it was not really mandatory

[lost bison]

wrong

[desert cloud]

No

It was blasting last season in aoe

And pure st

[compact knot]

season 2 was a little bad

for arms

but it wasnt HORRIBLE

[lost bison]

arms was bad in s1 until .5 patch or whenever it was they buffed it, it was bad in s2 and was only playable on the last 2 fights because they were PERFECT for arms, and it was terrible in s3

[desert cloud]

Not much diff from fury season 2 as well

[open prairie]

people will play a class with multiple dps specs

[modest condor]

arms wasnt bad in s1 lol

[open prairie]

and then complain when one of them is performing better

in a season

[lost bison]

compared to fury it was

[open prairie]

truly a curiosity

[brave cairn]

There is marginal differences and then there's 1 dps spec doing less than a support spec

[desert cloud]

They need to add a nerdge emoji to this discord

[brave cairn]

If fury wasn't below Aug then it would be whatever

[desert cloud]

I would like to use it

[open prairie]

ok we forget aug exists

that spec is a mistake

april fools joke gone wrong

[desert cloud]

Aug is fine

[lost bison]

lmao

[ashen socket]

L

[desert cloud]

Also why does it feel like it’s season 2 all over again

[olive wraith]

Fury was ass s1

[open prairie]

it kind of is

[olive wraith]

Our tier was a joke

[lost bison]

and arms was worse

is what im saying

[ashen socket]

We were great before everyone got their tier

[lost bison]

actually

[desert cloud]

I time a key on a +10 i apply for a +8 keystone i don’t get invited rinse and repeat for 2 hours until i make my own key

[lost bison]

no

fury was decent in s1

[modest condor]

arms was better for aoe fury was better for prio target, just like s3

[open prairie]

now the real enemy

is mages

tbh

[lost bison]

tier was bad but the spec itself was good

[lost bison]

from a m+ perspective sure

[open prairie]

casters also benefit from having a giga overtuned trinket from m+

[lost bison]

was talking about raid since warrior in m+ was and is a joke anyway

[ebon junco]

eeeee

not fully

In raid it was beating fury on ST.
The only reason why it seemed weak was due to Raszageth where Fury would just solo platform adds.

It was just situational diffed.
But people still played arms for the boss damage

[lost bison]

tbh u were just about the only person that thought this

afaik

[ebon junco]

Riku

Did

and 4 other warriors

in Top 20

that tier

[mossy fox]

arms was pretty sick on raz ye

[ebon junco]

I also out dps'd all fury warriors on Dathea based

[mossy fox]

fury dumpstered on overall cause of i1 yep

[lost bison]

pretty sure what ur trying to say is

fury was overall way better on rasz

arms was decent at 1 thing that didnt matter, and other better classes did better

[mossy fox]

was dathea with the juggernaut wb/iftk build tmy

wdym

arms brought insane p3 damage, which definitelt mattered prenerfs

[ebon junco]

Yeah, I had 4-5mil more boss damage than fury warriors and kept up with prio upstairs due to I had him guy trinket

i turn into a white elemental guy

deal good damage

[lost bison]

p3 damage matter a little bit, but arms was never the answer

[mossy fox]

arms could even carry over damage from p1/p2 that nobody else could via fatality

[ebon junco]

That was in 10.0.5

[mossy fox]

yee true

[ebon junco]

when I killed the boss we couldn't do that

the dragon said fuck u

and left

[mossy fox]

1 min fatality was funny

[ebon junco]

with my stacks

[lost bison]

are u talking about prog dathea

@ebon junco

[ebon junco]

y

Don't have LEVELS logs

[lost bison]

do u have logs from ur kill

id like to see

[ebon junco]

:OMEG

[lost bison]

aha yes

of course

[ebon junco]

I was insta removed

when I went BDG

[lost bison]

yeah i dont have mine from sanctum either

started logging myself in sepulcher

[ebon junco]

Brooo

they remove terrors kill on youtube

cause a raider

FUCK SAKE

auto mod

[lost bison]

anyways

i have a very hard time believing what ur saying

unless justified by just having way better gear than everyone else

but who knows

dont remember, did levels kill dathea or kurog first, or both same week?

[radiant plank]

tmy and gearfunnel goes hand in hand

[lost bison]

yeah i remember seeing the spoonfeeding

[ebon junco]

only thing I have is from BDG officer

was this

that's all I have left

from BDG officer chat

[warm crag]

not 100 eranog..

[ebon junco]

eranog killing outer wall

voices

[radiant plank]

median 66

[warm crag]

highly king median

[ebon junco]

broodkeeper 31%

based

get a 100% parse first kill

[radiant plank]

ethical boss hitter

[lost bison]

yeaa that doesnt tell me much

unlucko

[radiant plank]

wcyd

[ebon junco]

then green log cus u hit boss

[lost bison]

100% parse cause ur 1 out of 1 arms warriors on the boss

[ebon junco]

Yeah, I mean.
If LEVELS wasn't cringe maybe the logs would still be accesable

[lost bison]

i know what they are hiding

[radiant plank]

u think i hvae a chance at levels with my broken finnswede

[ebon junco]

@lost bison

Dec 29

Should be pretty early no i'm not sure

[warm crag]

this is highly king

[ebon junco]

I dig the old images

[lost bison]

ah yeah i think u killed week after

we did dathea, u did kurog

[ebon junco]

I think

[lost bison]

😎

[warm crag]

@ebon junco are these good logs

[lost bison]

man look at ur ITEM LEVEL

U WERE SPOONFED

[storm rune]

I saw a war doing that dps last week

[ebon junco]

I'm never spooned

just good RNG

[lost bison]

mhm

good rng in loot council

[ebon junco]

got weap week 1

what can u say

thank u council

Primal Council good boss

[lost bison]

did they give u 4set first of all zenith

or did u drop one trillion zenith

i guess u did more splits

[ebon junco]

Pretty sure we just did more splits

[lost bison]

but still 😡

i couldnt justify it

[ebon junco]

yap

[lost bison]

when other classes were better

[ebon junco]

Idk I had to go Arms eitherway, I don't remember his name but we were playing 2 warriors

[lost bison]

thats why i take care of splits planning now (meme)

[ebon junco]

cus 1 guy said

"I will go rogue if it's good"

it's good

nvm i stay warrior

[lost bison]

mehhhhhh

2x fury was good

not the best but fine

ur just an arms coper

[ebon junco]

Better to play the whole prog as Arms.
Was keeping up with the rogues on ST, On Rasz caught up to everyone in p3

Clearly worked so 🤷‍♂️ You don't need 2 fury profiles.
When you drop a rogue profile cause someone is cringe, Rather just pivot into more boss damage

as 1 fury warrior could handle most of the shit

[lost bison]

i thought u were wrong and still do

but to each their own

not a discussion that will lead anywhere

there were bigger problems in that guild anyway

[ebon junco]

mostly officer

problems

[lost bison]

dont need to tell me twice

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

and actually

we 19manned p3 first kill so didnt need boss dmg anyway

[wanton mirage]

10 Neltharus first key with S2 set.. feel bad or not with that dps?. those wlog seems broken again

[olive wraith]

Not bad

What’s wrong with the log

[gilded pawn]

You need to look at active time dps

[gilded pawn]

Did we ever get our RA sims

[olive wraith]

No

I was gonna cook up a build but forgot

With no am idk if ravager is worth

[modest condor]

i think RA is like 5% behind AM or something

[rigid stirrup]

holy fuck what a highroll

[gilded pawn]

Inside joke someone here claimed RA with current build is only 1%

[modest condor]

oh

[worn panther]

how is venthyr fury RA simming atm

can i play venthyr meat cleaver on rygelon again

[modest condor]

yes

[worn panther]

god fucking bless

man i had some cooked builds at the end of sepulcher

and into fated

the RA venthyr fury meat cleaver reckless defence build in Upper Karazhan

[covert blaze]

what is your WA for the ilvl range
I have one but I don't like it, it changes the tooltips too much
edit: found it

[modest condor]

ah yes i remember the reckless defense copium

[worn panther]

dude

in that one dungeon

it was good

[modest condor]

[worn panther]

Cause it was also CDR on enraged regen

[modest condor]

you're just coping so hard right now

[worn panther]

in upper kara man

it was giga

im telling you

My damage on curator was insane

granted there were a few times I zoned out and swapped deathmaker after

[wanton mirage]

what buff to get in AA

[glad coyote]

vers or mastery depending on gear

[cedar edge]

didn't realize how much of a crutch titanic rage was for me

[olive wraith]

Vers

[queen panther]

sooooo, what do u think we'll put Flavor Packet on?

[modest condor]

whatever is your smallest dps loss

[zenith canopy]

If I don't have the legendary, should I spend my first bullions on an Augury or Ashkandur?

[robust basin]

[rugged void]

What is the current tier SMF build?

[meager void]

probably neck

nvm ring, it will most def be neck

[modest condor]

how can it be ring when both of them are already set in stone?

[meager void]

yah thats why I deleted

[covert blaze]

neck

[olive wraith]

Probably take out a point in vc or massacre for smf

[rugged void]

Would the talent under smf be worth taking or nah

[olive wraith]

I think it was a loss of damage

You could try pulling from somewhere else and sim the 2 setups

[unreal pollen]

they buff S4-4P yet

[ashen socket]

The current build is to go into your account settings and unsub

[olive wraith]

There would be a blue post if they did

[olive wraith]

Let the guy be. 80% of 0 is still 0

[unreal pollen]

A man can dream

[rugged void]

thanks for the super serious response

did you come up with that on your own

[ashen socket]

Your welcome qt

[rugged void]

you're*

[ashen socket]

Seems I touched a nerv

[rugged void]

for correcting your phone grammar?

[ashen socket]

No not that lol

[twilit harbor]

You'r

[ashen socket]

Its just that you're clearly upset over a harmless joke

If you've been here long enough then you should know talking about smf in any way shape or form is probably going to have someone meme on you

[blissful kestrel]

If you wanna play SMF go play a rogue or dh

[upbeat sentinel]

How long has it been since SMF was relevant at max gear

[ashen socket]

Or frost dk without the axe

[ashen socket]

No idea but I think it came close last season if you ignore the axe

Unless you are talking about the talent itself

[upbeat sentinel]

well i mean talent and playstyle

there weren't any SMF builds anywhere relevent AFAIK

Unless Archi snuck one in the WoWHead guides and i 4got

[ashen socket]

ah yeah not sure I just know that in my time playing (wod) I dont think smf has come up once

[tardy lark]

Last time SMF was remotely relevant was during WoD

[ashen socket]

Oh really?

Cause I started in hfc

So idk the starting portion

[tardy lark]

I remember it as being better single target during the backhand tier

And titans grip better aoe cause meatier hits

[upbeat sentinel]

needing 2 2h's and 2 1h's seems like it would be megaaids

[ashen socket]

Yeahhh

They should make a toggle

for fury spec

1 hander or 2 hander

or both

[upbeat sentinel]

would unironically make SMF better because having to spend 2 talent points to get it is so fucking pointless

[ashen socket]

and just make smf and titans grip baseline like it was in slands

cause lets be real

they will never let us just tmog

if they would it would have been done by now

[ashen socket]

Also I meant for drops

[upbeat sentinel]

o

[ashen socket]

Like add another spec node for like

[upbeat sentinel]

well you can half do that by swapping to arms

[ashen socket]

smf or titans grip

Yeah

[upbeat sentinel]

and only get 2hs

but only 1hs requires you to go prot

and not get trinkets

[ashen socket]

But like I mean

lets say smf is actually good

now its aids to farm because you can get 2 handers and 1 handers

[upbeat sentinel]

imagine they make SMF meta for the entire next expansion

fury players rage

[ashen socket]

Thats an actual re roll for me I think

[blissful kestrel]

I just want gavel / jalthys / OWS back

[upbeat sentinel]

turn us into FrostDK lite with 2 1hs

[ashen socket]

Ur banned

https://tenor.com/view/bongocat-banhammer-ban-hammer-bongo-gif-18219363

I just think smf should just be a visual thing

take a talent for less dps and sure it doesn't affect people that play endgame

[blissful kestrel]

Boon of end into bonegrinder spam was bis fury change my mind

[ashen socket]

But its still cringe to look at something that can be so much better

And sure maybe you have to make it where other classes can tmog 1 handers into 2 handers

But really

Who the fuck cares

If I see a dk dual wielding 2 handers cause they decided to tmog it oh well

Im not gonna be bothered

cause I can tmog 1 handers

[blissful kestrel]

Blizz doesn't want us to have fun playing their video game mate

[ashen socket]

Yeah

[blissful kestrel]

They just want to give us multiple FOMO grinds to waste our time

[ashen socket]

seems weird to just not let players creativity flow

Now to talk about why plate should be able to tmog every armor type

[blissful kestrel]

I want to charge into battle in a bright blue dress

[olive wraith]

Smf will be more viable in tww

Still probably not as good though

[open prairie]

you can

cosmetic gear in df do be funny

[random raptor]

What's everyones second craft going to be?

boots for 2nd embellishment?

[queen panther]

I'm doing boots and bracers

[olive wraith]

I’m probably doing cloak

[rustic haven]

I would do anything for the SMF meta. I tried to play SMF in every expansion since WoD (apart Legion) transmogs are better and it gives the "Berserker" fantasy

[open prairie]

transmogs better is subjective

[gilded pawn]

It fitting the berserker fantasy is subjective

[edgy widget]

it's down to one in TWW, however even on live the point in Frenzied Flurry isn't really worth it - just talent SMF

[edgy widget]

you can also play SMF without it being "meta" - nobody stopping you; if it weren't for the legendary nobody would notice or care, though frankly I still think a lot of people wouldn't notice if you didn't draw attention to it

[edgy widget]

Bracers, Cloak if you don't want Sarkareth, Neck or Boot are all fine

[rustic haven]

I had a hard time to get into keys once they noticed Thats why I stopped playing it apart m0 or heroics

[edgy widget]

not calling your anecdotal experience invalid, but I find it extremely unlikely people are inspecting your gear and talents before inviting/declining you for keys; I know that I have literally never looked at them, the people I run regularly with never do, and to my knowledge nobody has ever looked at mine either

sounds more likely that you're just experiencing the same thing everyone else is - Warriors in general aren't meta, but are a very popular class, which results in not a lot of individaul prioritization for keys (aka: you're gonna get declined a lot just because you're brown)

[open prairie]

we have devolved back into a caster meta

doesnt help they have incredibly op trinkets from keys

[random raptor]

Thanks

Do we get 2 bullions next week?

[rustic haven]

1 per week I think

[random raptor]

ah ok

[mental rune]

If they make the M+ dungeon weekly a bullion instead of a cache then we'd get 2, otherwise 1

[random raptor]

What's that the M+ dungeon weekly?? does it affect your IO?

I'm so close to 3k that'd be chill

[mental rune]

the complete 4 Mythics for dungeon week, doesn't affect IO at all, just free gear

[random raptor]

ah gotcha, it would be pretty cool to get 2 considering it is s4! 🙂

[mental rune]

Yeah, would definitely prefer the bullion

[rustic haven]

wasnt there bullion on ptr from quest tho?

[mental rune]

Yeah, that's why I think there's a chance they'll do it, but I'm not holding my breath they don't change it back to being a cache

[edgy widget]

yeah but I'm pretty sure that was completely changed - I would expect any extra dinar

[abstract bluff]

It will prob just be a heroic cache. Would be nice to throw in a bullion for that specific weekly, but not getting my hopes up over it.

[fair star]

I had a dream

That fury got buffed by 20%

[marsh kiln]

Lol

[sullen cloak]

20% buff would be the dream as I could keep season 3 tier 🤣

Was raiding a smashing it the other night and I thought how top tier and strong we would have been if season 3 had been picked as the season 4 set 😥

[twilit harbor]

Has there been any theory crafting for pandamonium gems?

I recall an attack speed one looking kind of nutty

Quick Strike Quick Strike - Equip: Your melee abilities have a 100% chance to trigger 4 to 7 additional autoattacks. (10 Sec Cooldown)

Seems cool with annihilator

[marsh kiln]

Fury got sabotaged

By druids and mages