fury

[upbeat sentinel]

it would be which is why they wont do it

our tier set had controversy and cheating in the vote. They now avoid acknowledging it if we just suck so bad noone plays us 🙂

[rigid stirrup]

I just think people thought blizz would actually have the tier sets balanced on release which again I think they're not so smart for thinknig they would do that while they're in prime cooking for next xpac

should've just voted based on damage and everyone would say its boring but at least we would be pumpin

[upbeat sentinel]

Ya imagine if we instead just got the s3 bonus again but buffed

[rigid stirrup]

I don't get why people like the hitting things with a paper straw gameplay

[upbeat sentinel]

you dont understand i get one big hitter every 7 rampages!!!!!!

[rigid stirrup]

thats not even the same damage as a decent mortal strike lmao

[rotund ginkgo]

It isn't it's literally s2 numbers

I hit bigger bts last season

Meanwhile I ms for 800k lmao

[upbeat sentinel]

Pick S2 bonus

Get S2 dam

makes sense

[rotund ginkgo]

Real

Honestly I chose s2 I think

I'm sorry guys

[upbeat sentinel]

Blizzard asleep at the wheel on the tuning

[rotund ginkgo]

It'd do bad cuz it genuinely feels good TO ME to play

It just sucks I literally do 480ilvl damage lmao

[willow cradle]

My favorite part about all this is the amount of told ya so I can do

[rigid stirrup]

we have historically have higher cpm compared to most and nothing feels worse than developing carpel tunnel for shit dam

[upbeat sentinel]

Frost DK 12 CPM for more dam than us

gonna be lit

https://gyazo.com/decf4f59a00a37a6a1de0e8ee667e615 This tier list is on drugs

https://gyazo.com/7f80132ba231b9020b9e2aabd6528fac

Full one

Lists Sub Rogue and Arcane Mage as B tier even though theyre top dam by far zzz

[hardy cargo]

It’s a couple compounding things that cause this issue, but yeah it’s cringe

[modest condor]

it's a popularity list

[dapper goblet]

🧎‍♂️

[restive peak]

NGL fury still fucks pretty hard in M+

Decided to play it for 3 keys and giga stomped

[rigid stirrup]

yeah I thought the lego would help fix the gap a little when I tried

didn't do shit tbh

[dapper goblet]

having damage every pack

[gusty cloak]

is reck before avatar in the macro or vice versa?

[modest condor]

doesnt matter

[gusty cloak]

but were running berserker's torment in s4

[dense elbow]

They fixed it

[gusty cloak]

ahhh

[dense elbow]

I know, it takes us all by suprise

[gusty cloak]

who woulda thought lol

[fair star]

Was it a nerf or buff

I mean was the avatar duration the longer drustion or shirter

Depending if u use reck or avatar first

[oblique trail]

It was neither

It just was a fix

[fair star]

Wdym

[oblique trail]

If you did it the wrong way around, it was a buff

[fair star]

Ah ok

[dense elbow]

Lets just call it a buff, for simplicity

[fair star]

I wouldnt be suprised if they nerfed it and we had shorter avatar uptime

[dense elbow]

this be a fair concern

[fair star]

Instead of buffs in the patch notes we will see fixed and issue that made furys avatar duration longer than intended

[dense elbow]

I hate TT, so good

ruin it

Love OF, hate TT

[fair star]

Tt?

[willow cradle]

Titans Torment

[fair star]

Talent?

Whats it do

[oblique trail]

Casts Odyn's Fury when you use Avatar

Or Avatar when you use OF

[fair star]

Oh that one

[warm crag]

cast dn

[gusty cloak]

can we use the same WA for the t30set for tracking crit bloodthirst?

[oblique trail]

Cast mortal strike upon yourself and take -50% healing

[dense elbow]

Nah, use the one in pins - old one broken

[gusty cloak]

even the new WA feels broken, its cha chinging at like 3-4 stacks

[oblique trail]

That does not sound wrong

[dense elbow]

It cachings once you reach 95% crit, 4 stacks, sounds about right with reck running

[oblique trail]

Compared to S2, in S4 you have so much more stats that, on top of them buffing 4p to give more crit per stack, that you reach 95% or above faster

[gusty cloak]

ahhhh makes sense

[dense elbow]

enjoy your 200k BTs

[regal grotto]

🤣

[gusty cloak]

i remember 300-400 bt's lol hense the confusion

[sullen basin]

if only they also buffed the set to do about 20% more damage

[dense elbow]

It would need to do a lot more than 20% more
20% would be 240k, what we need it 500k crits

[marsh kiln]

I love how ppl in fury channel talk about arms a lot more

Than about fury

Because blue axe is better

[fair star]

Blue axe?

[dense elbow]

damned arms warriors keep chiming in, arms warriors like you, Pagan!

[marsh kiln]

[dense elbow]

That aint a blue axe, btw

[marsh kiln]

It is in fact

Blue

[regal grotto]

Isn’t that the background 👀

[dense elbow]

Look at it, clearly metalic, with some more goldenish fastening rings, and brown wood

[supple laurel]

😆

[regal grotto]

Bro is typing a paragraph

[dense elbow]

More like a novella

[marsh kiln]

MS is just fast as lightning so even the blue finnish peels off because of big dam

Sorry im on my phone, hard to type

[dense elbow]

Nah, he just copin'

making things up

the axe aint blue

[lofty scroll]

well, maybe her monitors set up that way

[dense elbow]

Maybe ya'll just colourblind

[lofty scroll]

other than that idk

[regal grotto]

He’s trying to lift our spirits since we sad bout tier

[lofty scroll]

hahah

[marsh kiln]

Roll arms and just do more dam than fury with 25% less effort

Simple as that

[fair star]

Arms is not easyer than fury

Easier

[lofty scroll]

no its not

[marsh kiln]

It is easier lol

[lofty scroll]

gotta think more

[fair star]

How is it easier

[marsh kiln]

U just press shit on CD and watch buffs

Thats about it

[fair star]

Isnt that fury

Bro fury is 2 buttons

Rb into rampage

[regal grotto]

Lmao

[fair star]

Arms u got all these buttons

[marsh kiln]

Onslaught

So 3 buttons actually

[fair star]

Ive never seen

Someone ask abiut fury rotation

But i always see ppl asking about arms rotation

When to use cleave when ms ,execute phase stuff etc

[marsh kiln]

Yeah its just about priority abilities

On when to use them on what amount of targets

[fair star]

And what health %

[marsh kiln]

But i feel like john wick with my orange axe

When i play arms

[lofty scroll]

haha

[regal grotto]

Who’s that

[fair star]

[fair star]

Who axed

[regal grotto]

🤣🤣🤣

[fair star]

[marsh kiln]

[lofty scroll]

i think the blue is the animation of swinging it

[marsh kiln]

Its just the blue finnish peeling off due to having 45% haste

Because its so powerful

[lofty scroll]

hahahahah

[regal grotto]

This is who you should aspire to be if you play arms

[lofty scroll]

hahah

[whole wasp]

Hey gang, see a lot of comments about the S4 set bonus. Simming to see when it makes sense to change. Have all M 4/4 489 gear from S3 and even at all H 6/6 522 S4 gear (plus 33 item levels) the sim is showing a loss of dps for S4 set bonus gear in both ST and AOE - does this make sense? Is the S4 (S2) set bonus just THAT bad? Am I missing something? Is SIM 'not there yet'? I'm using Archi's S4 talents.

[lofty scroll]

man i got to clean the house before the wife gets me

peace

[fair star]

S4 set is heavily undertuned

Needs buff

[regal grotto]

That’s odd I sim for like 276 vs the 240 I was simming before

But I’m 507 now va 486-487

[summer grove]

Sims for me were putting s3 build w/ s4 tier ahead of s4 build w/ s4 tier

[regal grotto]

Wut

[summer grove]

Just saying what happened to me. Idk

[regal grotto]

That’s kinda wild

[fair star]

Well

It does increse bloodthirst dmg

Maybe hes onto something

[wanton mirage]

link us the sim

[regal grotto]

I wonder what it looks like, I’ll mess with it when I’m off werk 🤣

[fiery storm]

hey all the avatar WAs dont pop up when i hit recklessness....anyone have a avatar WA for when u pop reck?

[marsh kiln]

Use luxthos

If u want free

Or sub to naowh

And join discord for his UI

[whole wasp]

Doing Gear compare - as I don't have all the heroic pieces yethttps://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/48JcHbbCvrKBg72XC4a18x

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4afB2kEB3YUaWRKKtP7xhX

[fiery storm]

? this one

[marsh kiln]

Ye

[summer grove]

Yeah

[modest condor]

RA has always simmed higher in dslice even during season 2

[marsh kiln]

Its a pack

Once u get the feel of it its great

I dont have any action bars

Just the WA

I subbed to naowh for his UI pack tho

[fiery storm]

oh this is nice ty

[sullen dove]

u got an anvil in this sim and not in the other one, and assuming dungeonslice is 6 minutes of constant combat anvil probably will be on the higher end of damage

vs lower ilvl augury

not to say s3 still wouldnt win

but not everything is kept constant

oh i guess u can scroll down and also see the anvil-less dps

so 389k

[whole wasp]

Nice catch on the anvil - gear compare with anvil and S4 set is less dps <?> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fdUWuKgmYXbgaJ1QfC5M37

[fiery storm]

anvil is so nice i found one yesterday and can feel the powa

[whole wasp]

Just seems like 33 item levels x 4 pieces alone should offset the set bonus difference

[regal grotto]

It slaps more than I thought it would, I was unable to get one on s2

[wanton mirage]

S3 has a lot more ST power, your Dslice ST portions prolly offset the diference

idk more reasons for blizz to buff S4 set nerf S3 set

[dense elbow]

dont joke like that

[wanton mirage]

it's already been a joke season

[vocal gazelle]

anyone catch any wiffs of changes coming tuesday?

that long maintenance has me believing in fury gods again

[rigid stirrup]

well its the .7 patch

just gotta prayge that it has some tuning to go with it

[vocal gazelle]

yeah, I was just hopeful for some love added in I suppose

[rigid stirrup]

it would be a godo time to do it for sure

[summer quail]

highly doubt it, don't think there will be any tuning at all in fated since it's a meme season

[fleet sorrel]

[fair star]

[fair star]

Hopefully some tuning

Like ok fury underperforming heres 15% buff bb guys

[midnight kite]

Expected tuning:
Nerfing Survival/Balance/Fury/BDK S3 into the ground so that S4 tier is always better

[hollow cradle]

With the S4 set, do I only use BT on 95+%?

Apart from that raging blow and rampage?

[chrome plover]

fun way to deplete a key 💀

[vocal gazelle]

wait, did inferno catch you or the boulder?

the boulder was going to the evoker wasn't it?

[chrome plover]

the boulder hit the kerb

yes

it hit the tiny ledge and exploded

like it does when it hits a wall

[vocal gazelle]

lmao

small indy company

[regal grotto]

LMAO

Took me a few watches to see what happened

[warm crag]

noob lol

ok but that baiting was garbage

[regal raptor]

guys if i already did fyraak hc, and axe didnt drop this week, can i try on normal or the drope chance only works in 1 difficulty?

[warm crag]

oh no its fine nvm

[vocal gazelle]

higher diff gives all the lower chances

[outer umbra]

muscle memory is so off between this set and the last with BT usage

[olive wraith]

fury dedge

[hardy cargo]

[olive pine]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sbLZfqR7HTHjwtSPP53NFw equipping 4set going to result in me losing 20k dps?

[oblique trail]

You have not changed talents to accomodate the new set

[olive pine]

oh yeh, dumbass me xD

[dense elbow]

You got wrong talents on, lovedove

[upbeat sentinel]

Once you equip the new talents you’ll just do same damage as before

🙂

[slim coral]

My life was going good until the season 4 tier set came in

[marsh kiln]

If ur life is wow somethings wrong

[amber scarab]

for me too /cry

[dense elbow]

S4 made my cookie crumble into the milk!

[errant phoenix]

this makes me sad

is there any class tuning planned?

[dense elbow]

Go arms, dont be sad looking at dps numbers

[errant phoenix]

i willl but i like fury more. ^^

[dense elbow]

Fury is the most fun to play ^^ for sure

[whole wasp]

That's solid point on Dungeon Slice ST component Crexx- when I do Hectic add S4 pulls ahead.....

[eternal sundial]

criminal swapping to add

trust send boss

[chrome plover]

true that woulda saved us

[eternal sundial]

it wouldnt

but i feel like its so cringe with frenzy

idk

[chrome plover]

it is but i invited evoker dh and they proceeded to do 0 damage

[eternal sundial]

was fine on tyra 10 when i didnt swap with an sp or smth

[eternal sundial]

OH i just saw bottom left

monkaW

[chrome plover]

:)

i swear dh was in ST talents idek

he did 0 on packs

gigabursted boss then fell off

[eternal sundial]

weird

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/K6gNC/338bff8eb7.png

lmao

need full meta in my +9 guys

[edgy widget]

🤔

[sullen dove]

that's that guys name for it

must be a big fan

s3 talents = your talents

[dusky grotto]

the amount of +2 keys i get declined from because of meta cucks is actually insane

dude will be in queue alone and still decline my request

[wanton mirage]

thats true parayeet

[dusky grotto]

[wanton mirage]

brown =bad

[tepid elk]

hey, a question from a new fury player about cd usage: do you cast Avatar on cd or do you wait until you have Reck too?

[eternal sundial]

ideally sync but never sit on it for ages

[tepid elk]

gotcha, ty

[edgy widget]

no, we play #fury in here

[olive wraith]

Send it

Assuming s4

[willow patrol]

oh fuck me i went wrong channel, sorry guys

[covert blaze]

Sir, this is a Wendy's

[dusky grotto]

[fair star]

[regal grotto]

🤣

[barren dagger]

guys dont go arms, you still get declined the same

[whole wasp]

Right there with you brother....scroll up 😦

[regal grotto]

Don’t give in

Suffer as a group

[eternal sundial]

[dense elbow]

Ya lads suffering? I am blasting keys with 400k+ overalls as S3 Fury

[regal grotto]

Don’t betray the faith

[light tapir]

Amen

[regal grotto]

🤣 I’m not actually suffering too bad in keys myself

[barren dagger]

are you playing the old tier set lmao?

[regal grotto]

Getting groups is hard but when hasn’t it been

[dense elbow]

Ofc, it goes burrrrrrr and I like the big numbers on my screen

[barren dagger]

so you have 4 pieces at 489 and just upgrade the rest?

idk if trolling

[dense elbow]

Yep, 489 aug too tho

[regal grotto]

I honestly considered it myself lmao

[whole wasp]

No Funky's legit....I'm same...until I get Mythic S4 tier I guess

[chrome plover]

im blasting with s4 set

[dense elbow]

I am doing it because it keeps OF relevant, I would pump more in S4

Dont missunderstand that :v

[barren dagger]

this guy really hates the s2 voters

[chrome plover]

funkykitty is saying play what you like and if you play well you're still relevant

[dense elbow]

Nah, I love s2 voters, s2 was a great tier

I hate OF balance

[olive wraith]

Swap to arms brothers

[dense elbow]

51% buff baseline, and perhaps fire dam on it, uncapped DoT. I am a very happy boii

[regal grotto]

Boo that man

[dense elbow]

Boo that man

[olive wraith]

Do it

[dense elbow]

lel

470k with aug?

you are so trash man

[olive wraith]

Ya I’m awful

[chrome plover]

💀

[regal grotto]

Aug lool

[olive wraith]

I’m still fury brained

[dense elbow]

Fury brain never leaves

[regal grotto]

You betrayed the faith

[olive wraith]

It’ll get better

[chrome plover]

I tried arms in a key today

[barren dagger]

475k with aug lmao. i hope you're 485 ilvl?

[olive wraith]

I’m getting used to aoe prio

[chrome plover]

but I'm awful at it idk

so hard to get used to

[olive wraith]

[dense elbow]

Arms takes a bit to get used to, for sure - I really feel sorry for anyone that feel they "need" to play Arms over Fury T4, as T4 or rather... AM/reck/Rav is a ton of fun

Lets be honest, T4 sucks playwise

[barren dagger]

[dense elbow]

200k BTs aint tickling my fancy

[olive wraith]

Am is fine

[humble plover]

Ravanger goes brrrr

[olive wraith]

I miss big bb

Ravager is lame

[dense elbow]

RA is possible to build, it is what 5% behind?

[olive wraith]

Why ravager when you can press op

[dense elbow]

Kala, booo! Booo!

[regal grotto]

Change my T4 weak aura sound to a shotgun sound and It makes me so happy

[humble plover]

One less weapon. Cringe

[olive wraith]

Op is like 16% of your overall lmao

[forest owl]

we should be allowed ravager/am aswell as s3 tierset with odyns fury, imagine

[dense elbow]

Kala cant even lift two twohanders

[humble plover]

He's lost the way

[olive wraith]

I got ashcandi week 1

Then I got 4p

[humble plover]

LOST. THE. WAY.

[olive wraith]

So had to switch

[dense elbow]

S3 was very BB dam heavy, so ya cant as easilly swap to AM

[sweet vessel]

Sorry for newb question, but is Ravager a "must have" talent, or can I pick something else without gimping myself too much?

[regal grotto]

Are you surprised his avatar only has one big ass arm not 2

[olive wraith]

You need ravager

[dense elbow]

A lot of power was concentrated in BB (bt) value in a few hits you wanted to minmax for s3 :3

[olive wraith]

[long stone]

Dont forget fury scales with ms and fps

[dense elbow]

It is a must have - if you run AM, and you prob should, it a ton of fun :D

[regal grotto]

Return to the faith and regain the other arm 🤣

[olive wraith]

900k ms hits just feel good

[sweet vessel]

A'ight thanks guys

[eternal sundial]

what about 5 mil fatality

[dense elbow]

BB crits for 600k laughs at arms TM build up MS crits

[olive wraith]

Haven’t raided as arms yet

[olive wraith]

I hit 900k on an m+ boss

[dense elbow]

900k just doesnt impress me

600k, 900k, same shit

1mill tho

big neuron activation

[olive wraith]

300k diff is more than our stacked bt

[modest condor]

9 is just a 6 upside down

[dense elbow]

._. poor T4, BT stack will be buffed soon, trust

[humble plover]

I raided as arms. Unfortunately I can't ignore the diff in st dam. However I'm swinging 2 sticks on cleave fights and keys

[forest owl]

yeah same, i'm not even a very good arms player and still doing better than fury especially on st fights which this raid pretty much is.

[worn panther]

@modest condor gm

[urban drum]

rampage top prio on new t set?

[worn panther]

yes

press rampage

then press it again

if you're not pressing rampage you're pressing raging blow

[regal grotto]

Then again

[worn panther]

and every once in a while you press bloodthirst

but then you press rampage again

[modest condor]

gm qrva

[regal grotto]

When you press rampage enough, fist hit bloodthirst

[urban drum]

when we rippin ava

[worn panther]

that is me

[olive wraith]

On cd

[wanton mirage]

someone go upgrade your Shadowmourne to 535

[regal grotto]

🤣

Can’t, I don’t have enough friends to do vampire part to finish it 🥲

[celest sierra]

ran my sim from yesturday https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sX3hQKbUuKQKQ12bJ1bwK4

this is what im simming as

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pcsUXVcJKv85XtU41ahJY1 lol patchwork

[unreal onyx]

heroic S4 tierset with AM is only 4.5k DPS ahead of 489 S3 tierset with RAOF in ST

at least with my current gear

smh

[midnight kite]

Sounds about right, did you sim re-gem/enchant also? S2 set tends to like a bit more haste then S3

[upbeat sentinel]

Be happy it’s that much

[unreal onyx]

no, that is with my current S4 gems/enchants

[ivory rune]

Am I the only one that thinks we messed up by selecting s2 and not s3?

[unreal onyx]

speak for yourself

I voted S3

[celest sierra]

we def messed up haha

[midnight kite]

The mess up was trusting blizz to balance it moreso

[celest sierra]

been swapping specs today in keys and fury warrior i can barely break 300k overall as for arms im close to 500k overal

[ivory rune]

I voted s3. But ya know we are all fury warriors

[celest sierra]

fury needs a buff asap

[upbeat sentinel]

It got cheated so we didn’t rly mess up

[unreal onyx]

that sounds like a skill issue on fury tbh

[upbeat sentinel]

Ppl just realized how to spam votes on 1 account

[unreal onyx]

i've been pretty consistently over 400k

[midnight kite]

I am getting in the 425-450k range but its ofc dungeon dependant

[ivory rune]

I have to WORK to break 400k. I switch to my ret who is 11 ilvls lower.......10k under my fury....HELLO?!?!?

[gusty cloak]

we running tempered armor patch or bsl this season?

[midnight kite]

like if someone posts dps from AA its irrelevant because you get 5% stat and the first pull is meme

Bird also has a vulnerability window

[unreal onyx]

bsl if you are confident you can maintain it

i use patch for "consistency"

[gusty cloak]

for sure, thanks

[unreal onyx]

nelth +9

idk if chains give dmg buff or if it's calculated into details tbh

[midnight kite]

that priests name is suprisingly close to my guildys

[ivory rune]

if tank/healers use chains theres a damage buff

[fair star]

Says neltharus weapons right there on ur details

[midnight kite]

IIRC thats just for last boss

[unreal onyx]

ye but if there is an amp it's not calculated to the nelth weapons afaik

but idk

[fair star]

Idk used to be for chains aswell in s2

[midnight kite]

Like this is BH+9 so its probably a bit inflated by the pull sizes and multiple bosses having adds

[celest sierra]

It is what it is can’t go back now . To everyone I argued with about S2>S3 I apologize

[ivory rune]

Yea i swapped to ret lol.......supposed to be a season of fun not carpal tunnel

[midnight kite]

I dont mind it in keys its just in raid kinda sad days

thankfully the 10% blanket nerf to the raids means their kinda undertuned

so by week 4 when people have their 2ed vendor piece/double embelish/like 420 ilvl average it will be to the point I dont care about min maxing my damage hard

[unreal onyx]

im playing arms in raid it's been this bad for me

[fair star]

Ret is the most played spec

Also pretty ez i hear

[midnight kite]

Idk I heard arms AoE is a mess but I dident imagine it to be so awkward

[unreal onyx]

I have no idea what I am doing and I got 70-80 logs in my first heroic raid

[covert blaze]

bro is CENSORING

[midnight kite]

ye

[ivory rune]

extremely easy lol. why its fun

[midnight kite]

Details wont show the funny google translated Chinese character that also say "buff" and "fury"

[unreal onyx]

on heroic zskarn this week I did 296k DPS as arms on my 2nd time playing the spec overall

with a 85 log at world 865

296k DPS as fury would be rank 24 world

[humble plover]

Yeah but did you eat the first frontal on amalg and 2 parse? Check mate nerd

Keep old till full 4 I think

[ivory rune]

No but I died on Assault and parsed a 1 in mythic

[upbeat sentinel]

https://tenor.com/view/peach-peachcry-cry-tissue-emote-gif-27496755

[humble plover]

Respect

[hollow elk]

the add with the shield spawned on mine and i froze there staring at it for 10 seconds then realized i was supposed to dps it. graaaaaay

[celest sierra]

I’m thinking if you max out all your gear bis weps / trinkets / rings , neck etc embellishments and then use t3 set yeh thr ili gap but wonder if that will work

[olive wraith]

The tier sets have awful synergy

[unreal onyx]

"yeh thr ili gap" what

[celest sierra]

Meaning max out all ur other gear etc but keep t3 set on instead of s2

[unreal onyx]

I mean

you can sim that

with my current gear it's only a 4.5k dps diff between my 489 tierset from S3 and my heroic tier pieces from S4 in ST

[celest sierra]

That might be the play honestly

[unreal onyx]

• you're not as proc dependant with S3 set as with S4

[celest sierra]

Aside from ili we would lose we would also lose the stamina from the up to par gear etc and yeh the stats but im thinking do chest hands legs and shoulders so u can have a good helm with the enchant

[unreal onyx]

fury doesn't nessesarily need the stamina to survive tbf

[glad coyote]

fury is pretty fine in m+

[celest sierra]

Yeh fury has great sustain survivablity . So im not to worried about the stamina . I dunno I think s4 set just needs a boost to even us out. Feeling very underwhelming especially if we compare to t3

[ivory rune]

I bet we would be REALLY good if we had s3

[glad coyote]

it would be fine if blizz knew how to tune

[wraith wharf]

[brave cairn]

Imagine augury, brand, s3 and vault rings

Man why the fuck did we have to vote s2 I don't get it

Odyns fury doing fire damage

[wraith wharf]

streamer said they didnt like season3, said streamer is now playing arms

[upbeat plume]

people trusted blizzards word on tuning which was a rigged game from the start lol

ontop of that alot of people didnt play SL fated so didnt remeber they do ZERO significant tuning after season launch, just major bug fixes

[tight ruin]

So what is the ideal sim for AOE now, still just base it off ST or is it better to 5 boss or DS

[unreal onyx]

(leggo does too)

[brave cairn]

Listening to streamers is the first mistake

[wraith wharf]

trusting blizzard was the second

[brave cairn]

Losing s3 set is a huge L and whoever advocated for it should be forced to play it until the season ends

Fucking criminal that instead we got this garbage now that performs worse than Aug evoker

[dense elbow]

Why do ppl hate on T4 for something that got nothing to do with T4...

that is a balance issue

not tier function issue

Wait, S3 had more buttons in the rotation, no? At best they are equal?

[brave cairn]

If you count BT and improved BT 2

[dense elbow]

Slam, ww, bt, ramp
vs
rb, ww, bt, ramp

[brave cairn]

I barely had to use slam

It's the frequency of how you use them too. S2 promotes a higher apm rotation

[unreal onyx]

"new"

[dense elbow]

Both got the same APM?

Guess you could call s2 more APM, as it gains 1 APM from the reck you got linked to your ravager, due to AM instead of OF 1

[unreal onyx]

replace OF with rav

[dense elbow]

Both builds do spend all their GCDs

[unreal onyx]

and it's basically the same

[dense elbow]

ye, what I meant is: Reck+Rav = 2, OF = 1

So that press every 20 odd secconds is one more APM unit

Dont think I would even count it, to be fair

basically Hack'n'slash CPM

But... you spend your GCDs on builders anyhow

... what

[unreal onyx]

most ppl voted S2 bc it's arguably better in m+ than S3

bc reck+rav is up every pack

[dense elbow]

Fair, and it do have a different flavour

[fickle bluff]

i cannot wait for tww so everyone can shut up about annihilator

[unreal onyx]

I forgor OS

1 button more

[dense elbow]

True, and real

[fickle bluff]

yes, good riddance

[abstract dirge]

making us shit is the best thing blizzard couldve done. so many warriors will now be able to play both specs. truly a briliant move

[dense elbow]

Didnt complete its goal of decreasing APM, as GCD was filled anyhow. Talent failed its purpose, so goes away

[unreal onyx]

they'll just have a lot more mediocre arms players that do the same dmg they would've done if they were good at fury

[paper ivy]

is it worth crafting double BS lining for mythic raid content?

its sims better in Aoe and ST

[dense elbow]

If yer raid aint shit, then yes

[unreal onyx]

if you are constantly over 90% HP

[dense elbow]

I like versa wrists tho, just cause

[unreal onyx]

idk if that is the case in mythic

[dense elbow]

Fury can get a good 40-60% uptime reliably

[paper ivy]

describe shit

we achieved 8/9M season 3

[dense elbow]

Actions Per Minute

[unreal onyx]

can they keep you over 90% HP 100% of the time

if not, just go versa + patch or 2x patch for ST imo

[dense elbow]

Doesnt have to be more that 50% to be worth it in sims tho

[unreal onyx]

50% of the time over 90% HP?

[dense elbow]

yarp

[paper ivy]

how do i check my up time in prevois raids

[unreal onyx]

I think that is still somewhat of an ask on certain bosses

[dense elbow]

Go into raid, recourses, your HP

check if you keep dipping low

[paper ivy]

ok

[sullen dove]

you dont hit ww in s2

[dense elbow]

What you on about?

[sullen dove]

youd rather send a bt early

than hit ww

[dense elbow]

It is litteraly the tierset

200k BTs

[sullen dove]

edited in .3 seconds

after realizing typo

but you dont hit ww st

[dense elbow]

You hit WW on AoE tho

._.

it is a button you press

[sullen dove]

i mean... sure was guy talking about aoe

[dense elbow]

M+

[sick viper]

I forgot how much I fucking hate whirlwind now we're back to s2 set

[dense elbow]

Why you hate WW?

it goes swoosh swoosh swosh!

[sick viper]

the only time I liked hitting ww was when we had bonegrinder in SL

[paper ivy]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zC26QVw47mfNZytG#fight=56&type=resources

can u help me from here on

how much uptime did the BS have in this fight

[sullen dove]

u can just hit buffs

assuming thats u

only warrior

but regardless

just rite there

[dense elbow]

Rougly 60-70% eyeballing it

[sullen dove]

its right there

[dense elbow]

That aint him tho

[unreal onyx]

[paper ivy]

thats me

[unreal onyx]

what

[dense elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[sullen dove]

why is non warrior asking things in warrior discord only brown man allowed to speak

[unreal onyx]

56.95% uptime

[sullen dove]

grrr

[unreal onyx]

on the warrior

[dense elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[paper ivy]

so its not worth it

[unreal onyx]

the only class I would check logs for

[sullen dove]

50% uptime is still like... good

[dense elbow]

Just sim it with 50% uptime, and ya will see

it is down in advanced options, set to 50% uptime

[unreal onyx]

personally I would think it's not worth it, purely for inconsistency compared to versa + patch

but "simmed DPS-wise" it might be an upgrade

[dense elbow]

I prefer versa wrists, but after I think I will take BSL for the mastery

big opener burst go boom boom

1k mastery is a lot

[unreal onyx]

or have some boss that does an aoe on pull that puts you under 90%

[dense elbow]

Not me, I am built different

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1198213371154153484.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[unreal onyx]

just spell reflect it

[dense elbow]

Mah man

[unreal onyx]

not even

[dense elbow]

Happy

[paper ivy]

the option gear compare doesnt exist any more :/

how do i compare patch + BS to 2x BS and 2x Patch

found it

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/eraserhead-thumbs-up-eraserhead-anime-thumbs-up-thumbs-up-anime-okey-gif-21682716

[paper ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oxJ434u4humkoQQRwufgHJ

that ST only, i think the difference in aoe with be more

[cursive hazel]

i get it that majority of people like this tier set more than s3 one ( since it won the vote )but i just dont see how

s3 felt so smooth to play at least for me

[paper ivy]

as fury we dont bring so much st, so isnt it better to focus on what we are better at currently? ( aoe effective add damage?)

[dense elbow]

Ye, mastery scales more on AoE generally speaking, but I would just do versa+1BSL, as I really like the value of versa as a defencive stat

Remember, legendary scales with versa, big dam - much dopamine

[paper ivy]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v3voHPDDreDZkbR7tFNDda this is aoe

[dense elbow]

It is because of...

dramatic pause

Personal preferences! shock horror

[paper ivy]

u are right, ill go allied wrist + 1x BS

[dense elbow]

[paper ivy]

problem is that i have already crafted that BS wrist so:) im fucked

i have to wait 4 weeks

till i correct my embs

[dense elbow]

Just go double BSL till then I guess

[paper ivy]

rip

[dense elbow]

No harm done

[paper ivy]

yeah. wish i had asked abt embs sooner

ty u both @dense elbow @unreal onyx

[dense elbow]

You will get different answers based on different time of day. Have a good one mate o/

[unreal onyx]

np, always happy to help

(where I can)

[cursive hazel]

i can understand that at least but im trying to see whats more fun abot this set

or is it just people liking ramp to be top dmg

[storm rune]

People like AM, lots of people didn't know how to play S3 well, people assumed blizz would balance spec

It's some combination of those

[manic gulch]

lots of people didn't know how to play S3 well
s3 is simpler than s2

people simply didn't like the gameplay

because it was awful

[dapper goblet]

🧎‍♂️

[manic gulch]

fury is fine in m+

undertuned in raids because of st

[covert blaze]

untrue

[manic gulch]

but its also a meme season

so it doesn't matter much

[covert blaze]

s3 is not simpler than s2

no way

[manic gulch]

hopefully blizz buffs the tier

[willow cradle]

Pressing RB nonstop is indeed the most profound gameplay

[manic gulch]

yes

[willow cradle]

There's zero thinking ahead with S2, at least with S 3 you actively got punished for messing up.

[manic gulch]

no

[covert blaze]

i saw a lot of people not like s3 build cause they rage starve themselves cause they don't know any better

[upbeat plume]

yeah the main complaint was the "slower gameplay" which didnt come into play if you did the rotation right, which required more then half a brain cell so people screamed about it

non stop

[covert blaze]

real

[manic gulch]

it was slower

and way easier

[ivory rune]

id rather stand around autoing than spamming RB/Rampage literally every second

[manic gulch]

[covert blaze]

you gotta be trolling

[upbeat plume]

he is

[covert blaze]

no other explanation

i cba

[manic gulch]

cope and seethe

[willow cradle]

Basically this lmao

[manic gulch]

s2 is the superior tier

s3 is the worst iteration of fury ever made by blizz

[upbeat plume]

keep praying for buffs to your trash tier set that will never come in fated lol

[manic gulch]

idc about buffs lol

meme season

if they happen nice

if they don't it is what it is

[upbeat plume]

ah so your one of those

[covert blaze]

i think you might have a case of skill issue

[dapper goblet]

spamming RB feels better than pressing stinky ass slam at any point in the rotation.

[covert blaze]

don't know why you post this image, that's not a hot take

[zealous condor]

based

its the based one

[dapper goblet]

better not find you in valdrakken

[covert blaze]

😰

[red peak]

I have a question, i actually prefered the playstyle of S3 In many ways. why is annhilator a capstone rather than a choice node?

[zealous condor]

omg why isnt my tierset op in the filler season 😠

[covert blaze]

@dapper goblet I am inside your closet atm

[upbeat plume]

the node only works if you fully invest into the build anyway otherwise its a detriment

[red peak]

Yeah, I know.

[upbeat plume]

I mean being hot garbage dps isnt super fun for alot of people at anytime regardless of meme season or not

[zealous condor]

its not that bad

[upbeat plume]

it really is

[dapper goblet]

coping propaganda by the season 3ers

[zealous condor]

just not that good in ST raid fights

[upbeat plume]

for raiding especialy

[zealous condor]

its pretty good in keys

[red peak]

I think my point is it seems liek a odd design philosphy. wouldnt it have made more sense to give RB talents a "Dual" annihilator bonus?

[zealous condor]

and theyll buff it im sure

[upbeat plume]

lool

[zealous condor]

if u care about doing good in raids

play arms

[red peak]

No

[manic gulch]

yes

[zealous condor]

then ur bad

[red peak]

You can prise my offhand from my cool left hand

[upbeat plume]

I am, that dosent mean furys bad design/peoples bad judgement in voting for s2 is excused from criticism

[zealous condor]

it was good decision

if u voted for s3 ur a sussy

[manic gulch]

there was no such thing as a bad judgement

[upbeat plume]

the main arguemtn for s2 was trusting blizzard to tune it

[manic gulch]

blizz said vote for what we like from a gameplay perspective

[covert blaze]

the set itself is not even the problem, the problem is they didn't buff it like they promised

[manic gulch]

and that they would tune

performance was never part of the equation

you're just mad that the tier you liked didn't win

[upbeat plume]

Im not mad Im playing arms lol

[manic gulch]

and salty because even if fury is underperforming in st people still won't change their minds that s3 was better

because it wasn't

from a gameplay point

[upbeat plume]

project more bud

[lost bison]

s3 fury gameplay > ass > s2 fury gameplay

[willow cradle]

Propaganda?

[covert blaze]

based

[manic gulch]

then why are you here seething about it lmao

[red peak]

Isnt S2 gampely the same as like the "Stadnard" build

[lost bison]

im actually mad about it

[upbeat plume]

Im not mad, Im criticizing a flawed perspective, your free to ignore me at youre leisure

[covert blaze]

don't think anyone is seething, you are just baiting people with bad takes like ''s3 is easier than s2''

[manic gulch]

good

anger will make you stronger

funnel it

[shrewd ore]

im mad s2 people eat quarters

[willow cradle]

Because some of us prefer Fury maybe?

[lost bison]

arms gameplay has sucked all expansion long, s3 fury was amazing but EU apes wanted to play the inferior version

and here we are

[dapper goblet]

what if we voted season 1..

[red peak]

S3 Was a really fun spec

[still ibex]

For me S3 was peak gameplay for fury. More fun and engaging for sure

[covert blaze]

xeos try not to be a contrarian challenge

[upbeat plume]

if the yhad delievered on actual tuning I 100% would have been fine with season one making execute a giga button again

[keen kindle]

If you vote for season 1 fury it's just trolling

[red peak]

The criticem people seemed to have of it here was "I dont want to use Slam" which was.... kinda ridiculous

[willow cradle]

Some lvl 10 alts really wanted it

[keen kindle]

Might as well just vote for no tier at all

[lost bison]

yeah i dont see how someone who played both versions would prefer s2

in m+ or raid

[dapper goblet]

having execute proc as much as it did in season 1 almost makes up for it being a shit button

[celest sierra]

Guilty as charged but I’ve admitted I was wrong in my judgment

[upbeat plume]

the tuning I assume would need to be like 200% damage on SD execute procs or some shit I dont know what they would have needed lol

[celest sierra]

I think rn we just need an overall buff to the spec

[lost bison]

its just

[upbeat plume]

oh I was refering to season 1 teir tuning

[lost bison]

odyns is so much better than ravager

[celest sierra]

Ah gotcha

[lost bison]

in all ways imaginable

[zealous condor]

nah

odyns is barely a button in M+

[dapper goblet]

think its more of an AM thing than ravager thing

[lost bison]

bad take

warrior is not a class in m+

[pearl magnet]

Just signing in to agree with everybody... who the heck thought s2 was somehow better than s3 fury?000000000000000

[zealous condor]

u are coping sorry bud

[upbeat plume]

enough people who wanted to play arms XD

the true conspiracy

[pearl magnet]

lol

[covert blaze]

[celest sierra]

If that’s the discussion I mean reason I voted S2 over S3 was yeh AM. I loved having the uptime and personality in S2 I was slapping . So playing AM was a big factor to S3 where we had no way to reset roar and or Avatar etc . Felt bad having to wait for the Cd where as S2 we always had soemthing . That was my reasoning at least

[keen kindle]

I'm an arms main and don't find either version of df fury fun

[lost bison]

problem with this reasoning is

u have odyns 24/7

[upbeat plume]

also while reck and ravager are up all the time, they DO NOT feel very powerful

[lost bison]

and that

[celest sierra]

This

[keen kindle]

Recklessness isn't even a cooldown with s2

[zealous condor]

the only issue with odyns was that it didnt fuck all in real keys

[keen kindle]

It's just a buff to upkeep luke enrage

[manic gulch]

uncapped ravager when

[lost bison]

man ravager doesnt do shit in m+ either

[zealous condor]

u matched tank damage lmao

[lost bison]

no you didnt

[pearl magnet]

anybody know any numbers around OF vs AM builds with s2/4 bonus? because i'd be inclined to play OF regardless, if the dps isn't too terribly different

[celest sierra]

This is also , rn Fury just isn’t slapping . Hence why we need an overall buff

[upbeat plume]

ilevel will fuck the equation eventually, but this week when alot of people got the new 4 set performance actually went down in raid lol

[celest sierra]

With S2 set odyns don’t do much

[zealous condor]

in anything above a 25 last season without cds u were doing tank damage

[pearl magnet]

le sad face

[red peak]

And S3 gave you bloodbath didnt it

[upbeat plume]

it did

[red peak]

which was fucking awesome

I want fury to revolve and Bloodthirst

[pearl magnet]

i thought bloodbath comes from reckless abandon

[celest sierra]

Live and learn . We’re all adults (I think) we made our bed now we sleep in it

[red peak]

that was it, was sure it wwas a talent

[zealous condor]

fun> performance

[celest sierra]

S3 impowered bt to bb

[lost bison]

amazing in weekly keys though, which is the only m+ content u should be doing on warrior this expansion

[celest sierra]

RB let BT also become BB and BB could proc

[pearl magnet]

my s3 tooltip just says it reduces OF cooldown

[red peak]

S3 felt more fun, and had better performance though

[quaint stag]

the playstyle of s3 was more like arms but s2 set is what i voted for because spamming is fun and not being gcd locked every now and then

[zealous condor]

expansion?

[zealous condor]

that shit felt so bad outside of it performing good lmao

[red peak]

It felt great to me

[lost bison]

warrior has been laughable in m+ this entire expansion, regardless of build, is what i mean

[upbeat plume]

the myth that you missed gcds for s3 was only ever present if you didnt play it correctly

[quaint stag]

fun is subjective tbf, i personally hated s3 playstle and s2 feels so much more fun

[red peak]

I felt more mobile and less awkward

[lost bison]

for pushing

if u care about m+ push, just play different class

[celest sierra]

I would have to disagree even tho I voted against S3 we were monsters in S3 in M+

[red peak]

I think what I enjoyed was the "Cadence" of the fight style. RB feels like its just mashing to get rampage

[lost bison]

i mean, s3 was for sure better than s2

[zealous condor]

[red peak]

felt liek we were weaving from one ability to another

[lost bison]

doesnt make it good

[pearl magnet]

s3 felt amazing for the few weeks i played it, then come to find that the new build is just wet noodles for days

[zealous condor]

u get rage so much easier

with onslaught

[celest sierra]

Honestly I’m starting to think the major reason people voted against S3 was because of Annihlator

[pearl glacier]

Why i have 99 Logs and dh tank is allmost outdps me in uldaman +14?

[red peak]

That was the number one reason I saw

[manic gulch]

yes

[zealous condor]

its becuase it felt bad in M+

[quaint stag]

annihlator was the main reason

[zealous condor]

thats why

[lost bison]

because m+ logs is not a thing

[manic gulch]

and blizz heard

[lost bison]

man this is just straight up wrong

in what world was s2 fury better than s3 in m+

[manic gulch]

annihilator has been annihilated

[pearl glacier]

But nerver in my entire life ,i never was so Close to tank dos

[lost bison]

or felt better

[celest sierra]

Honestly wish blizzard would have replaced annihlator with bladestorm

[zealous condor]

in the current one

[celest sierra]

For S3 and S4

[quaint stag]

annihilator so bad they removed it in war within

[young swan]

the world where u only look at the first half of each season

[lost bison]

perhaps the world you are living in

the one the rest of us are in, not so much

[fluid cedar]

fury rework when?

[manic gulch]

half the hero talents in tww should have been spec reworks in df

[pearl glacier]

S2 was op in s2

[celest sierra]

Won’t lie the hero talents seem lackluster tbh

[young swan]

s2 was really good until 10.1.5

[zealous condor]

what was the highest key u did last season

[pearl glacier]

Fury outdps meta classes back then

[celest sierra]

Mountain thane does not look appealing at all

[manic gulch]

i'm still suspicious about bladestorm on fury

[quaint stag]

in s2 we were consistently high output compared to most melee

[celest sierra]

Bladestorm was great on fury

[pearl glacier]

Bro let’s be honest in s2 ,fury outdps metaclasses

[young swan]

it didnt

fury was straight up worse than everything in the god comp

by a lot

[pearl glacier]

Then learn to play fury

[lost bison]

dont remember, and doesnt matter

[zealous condor]

then pipe down lmao

[celest sierra]

Yeh @young swan gunna have to disagree with u ok this one

[lost bison]

pipe down about what?

[dapper goblet]

wasnt fury like really good but then aug happened

[young swan]

yeah

[zealous condor]

how fury performs in M+

[lost bison]

you are arguing in favour of voting for a playstyle that is just undeniably worse in m+ and in raid than the one we had in s3

[red peak]

AFAIK the current S4 M+ second place has a fury warrior one it

[zealous condor]

I do hate actually having cooldowns in M+

ur so right

[lost bison]

ah yes, i need to push m+ to know how my class performs in high m+

[young swan]

start of season pushing pepelaff

[lost bison]

very intelligent take

[zealous condor]

clearly u do

[sullen dove]

holy

[quaint stag]

playstyle is subjective

[zealous condor]

cus the high M+ warrior doers dont agree with u

[quaint stag]

dps output is a fair argument

[dapper goblet]

what makes s3 better than s2 in keys

[manic gulch]

its not

[red peak]

Their in 20s though. thats a pretty reasonable bar

[manic gulch]

because blizz said they would tune the sets

[celest sierra]

Maybe we’re all wrong , maybe we’re lacking rn cause we don’t have the gear yet . Yeh we have the tier set but what if once we optimize trinkets , weps etc rings . We will climb up

[lost bison]

no

[red peak]

they did, we got 2% to Rampage crit and damage

[lost bison]

both warrior specs are ass

[young swan]

there isnt a single 20 cleared and 0 fury warriors on the first page

[quaint stag]

being target capped doesn't help

arms is nowhere near ass

[young swan]

or the second page

[quaint stag]

arms is giga atm

[young swan]

or the third page

[manic gulch]

arms was overtuned for s4

[lost bison]

fury is ass in all ways and arms is ass to play

great

[manic gulch]

he wasn't like that in s3

[quaint stag]

what don't you like about arms?

[manic gulch]

fury could have been overtuned too

[lost bison]

what is there to like about arms

[zealous condor]

seeth

[manic gulch]

and then these discussions would be happening at the arms channel

[young swan]

i know ur not asking me but almost everything pepelaff

[zealous condor]

arms feels great rn and fury is fun to play

[celest sierra]

Fury ??? Overturned ??? What ? Never

[manic gulch]

arms is literally

npc gameplay

you swing a sword like the npcs do

[lost bison]

correct

[olive wraith]

wdym lol

[red peak]

I just went back to Wow Analyzer where I thought I saw this. I must be imagining things

[young swan]

dont use wow analyzer

[red peak]

Probably too much copium

[lost bison]

enjoy playing your non-rank 1 viable m+ push as fury

[dapper goblet]

fury fun to play but does ass damage. arms shit to play but does big damage.

[celest sierra]

If anything Fury feels like it’s the last spec to ever get noticed and given love from Blizz . You always see arms and prot in the patch notes

[dapper goblet]

unlucky

[lost saffron]

Wow analyser

[olive wraith]

what does "npc" gameplay mean

[keen kindle]

It's the oddest critism I've ever heard

[zealous condor]

thats all warrior dps is buddy lmao

if i cared id play a caster but im a for fun gamer

[lost saffron]

Warrior players are stupid

[sullen dove]

bro hates warbreaker every 20 seconds and bladestorm every 45 seconds

[young swan]

real

[lost bison]

yes, thats why said enjoy

while the rest of us suffer

[sullen dove]

(same cdr cooldowns for every pack that fury has but better in every way)

[zealous condor]

I will

[quaint stag]

why are the dungeon trinkets so bad this season besides puzzlebox

[lost bison]

because you wanted to play suboptimal spec in "m+ push"

[zealous condor]

good im glad ur not having fun

[manic gulch]

[lost bison]

i can tell

[keen kindle]

Maybe some of don't care about rank 1s

[ashen socket]

No I can atleast count to 3

[lost saffron]

4

[manic gulch]

6

[lost saffron]

I can only count in 4s

[ashen socket]

Ok well thats a flat out lie

[dapper goblet]

nothing good about the spec apart from the dam it does

dont fool yourself

[lost saffron]

That's when I press ww

4

[olive wraith]

When do we ever count over 4

[sullen dove]

[lost saffron]

4

[zealous condor]

no warrior spec has any util

an issue for sure

[celest sierra]

Yeh can’t argue against arms rn . Shitty play style but slaps hard af

[zealous condor]

hopefully addressed in TWW

[lost saffron]

No

[olive wraith]

Only aoe is clunky for arms

[lost saffron]

Is it

[lost bison]

what util is it u want for warrior lol

[lost saffron]

?

[olive wraith]

St is pretty similar to fury

[young swan]

unique* util

[lost bison]

its just not going to be an m+ spec

never has been, never will

[zealous condor]

being able to do incorq

would be nice xd

[young swan]

we have utility it just doesnt matter cause other classes have it too

[lost saffron]

Wdym

[celest sierra]

Ez. Give us something to deal with afflicted or the other one where we are utterly useless that week

[zealous condor]

SHATTERING THROW LMAO

[lost saffron]

Arms was meta in legion

[lost bison]

reroll and have more fun

[manic gulch]

they don't even need to give utility to make warrior a m+ spec

[young swan]

but also that doesnt matter if the specs dont do damage

[lost bison]

if u want to push m+

[olive wraith]

We have 2 aoe stops

[manic gulch]

just make warrior do more dmg than every other spec in the game

[ashen socket]

We wont need util if they make it where warrior can be dracthyr 🙂

[zealous condor]

what are they

[manic gulch]

and people will bring it with an aug in m+

[young swan]

fear + shockwave

[olive wraith]

Fear and shockwave

[modest condor]

yeah i love my 6 target capped aoe stop when we pull 15 mobs

[zealous condor]

u dont take shockwave rn

in M+

[ashen socket]

Fear doesn't count

[lost bison]

but hey he has ravager

[young swan]

yeah fear being capped is cringe

[zealous condor]

just fear

[ashen socket]

minute 30 cd that is capped

[modest condor]

maybe you dont

[zealous condor]

u shouldnt

[quaint stag]

our fear being capped is so stupid

[celest sierra]

PAUSE- if we not taking shockwave what we taking ?

[sullen dove]

yes u should lmao

[zealous condor]

nah its not worth

[lost saffron]

I dont

[zealous condor]

warrior gets carried in M+ by its grou[

group

ur there for good dam

[lost bison]

lmao

[olive wraith]

Shockwave is pretty huge in m+

[lost bison]

"good dam"

[zealous condor]

not ur mediocre stops

[celest sierra]

Being aoe capped should also be changed

[ashen socket]

LETS NOT FORGET IT DOESN'T WORK ON UNDEAD AND WE ARE GETTING NECROTIC WAKE NEXT M+ SEASON TOO

[lost bison]

what the fuck are you damming lil bro