fury

[fair star]

Huh

Well its always changing

[unreal onyx]

1st to last is 6500 DPS diff

[fair star]

Yeah but whos playing draenei

[unreal onyx]

but race is just a cosmetic

[fair star]

Well for casuals ye

[unreal onyx]

just use what you like the most

[fair star]

Not just for casuals

[unreal onyx]

if you think playing a specific race makes you a better player bc of the dps "gain"

you're wrong

[fair star]

If u dont push highest of highest content race doesnt matter that much

[hard widget]

It makes you better because of racials

Night elf shadowmeld, dwarf removing bleeds

[fair star]

But whos playing lf draenei as warrior

[half cargo]

Feel like “race doesn’t matter” is outdated

[unreal onyx]

that's why I said "bc of the dps gain" specifically

[fair star]

It doesnt matter to most players

[unreal onyx]

ofc some racials are more useful than others

but that also only really matters for the highest tier players imo

[half cargo]

You can gain over 1.5k switching from a mid to highest last tier

There comes a point when that’s as much as any upgrade you get can do

Not to mention the m+ stuff mentioned before

[unreal onyx]

would you rather have a bussin racial or the best dps from any race?

bc I think that's a compromise you have to take

[hard widget]

Im a human warrior, hehe

But that has more to do with my broke ass refusing to pay to be a nelf / dwarf xd

[fair star]

Well human does more dps

[hard widget]

Dps doesnt matter

[fair star]

[hard widget]

If you deplete on 3k dps u got some bigger issues

[unreal onyx]

real

missed 1 PI

[fair star]

Sadgers

Imagine not PIing a warrior

Such a troll

[hard widget]

Bro i swear i dont even want PI on fury atm

[unreal onyx]

I got surprisingly many PIs in my pugs

[hard widget]

I feel like my hands are falling off without it even

[fair star]

Ye

Too much rage generation

[unreal onyx]

but I think with S4 set we gain a decent bit from PI

bc more ramp = more AM = more reck+rav

[fair star]

Nah

[hard widget]

= more carpal tunnel syndrome

[brittle crow]

when do i use lego in the opener w/ s4

[fair star]

The real dps gain is in the auto attacks

More haste more auto attacks

[unreal onyx]

rip anni

[fair star]

And with enrage ur auto attacks dont miss

[fair star]

Dunno,i use it in downtime but rn switched to arms

[unreal onyx]

you don't use it in opener at all iirc

[brittle crow]

i wanna switch to arms but we're going to m kazarra and i dont have time

[unreal onyx]

you use it if you don't have anything else to press

[brittle crow]

thats like never in s4

[unreal onyx]

ST Arms is like 4 buttons and 3 dmg amps to juggle

[fair star]

Every spec is 4 buttons tbf

[brittle crow]

cant just leave it off cd

[unreal onyx]

I "learned" ST arms within 1 raid I think

[fair star]

Wait

[unreal onyx]

or at least I got logs I am somewhat happy with for a 1st time arms player

[fair star]

How many classes have like 6+ buttons

And are hard to play

[brittle crow]

monks

[unreal onyx]

arms aoe has more buttons than I have keybinds

so I keep playing fury

[fair star]

Arms aoe is 2 buttions

Overpower and cleave

[unreal onyx]

idk which are important or not

so I dragged them all in my bars

[fair star]

Tru

[pallid otter]

🥱

[fair star]

Ban this guy

[abstract dirge]

now u can do 100k dps less than other dps instead of 110 in m+

[pallid otter]

yep to bad i play arms now

[unreal onyx]

you don't have them yet?

[fair star]

Bro i dont even have 535 ilvl fyralath yday i used all my flightstones cuz i didnt think theyd have it fixed so early

[fair star]

Can u trade me one

<

[pallid otter]

vendor about to get the 522 opne

[fair star]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[unreal onyx]

we got a hc and nm one today

and the nm one went to a lock as pet tmog

[fiery storm]

wait u guys have fyral? lol

[dense elbow]

Ya know what we got in a 30man raid, no freaking asscandy that is for sure!

[fair star]

I killed hc echo twice cuz i was pugging it and i had to join ajother group doing echo so i could do sark

And ofc the weapon dropped when i couldnt loot it

[unreal onyx]

I got hc anvil + ashk today

[fair star]

😠

[brittle crow]

my ashkandur got taken by someone who doesnt have lego

[unreal onyx]

• hc sark cloak dropped and hc oce but I didn't get those

[brittle crow]

🥲

[fiery storm]

is it worth even doing raid finder for the legendary?

[dense elbow]

And you only sim 302k?

[manic gulch]

askh dropped in my guild run too in hc

and i was the only one who needed it

truly ashkcandy

[unreal onyx]

304/305

[dense elbow]

wth

[manic gulch]

[unreal onyx]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/s7JpPKoHY85zfduUJmnWBh

[fair star]

Whats ur ilvl

[dense elbow]

I got neither D: Anvil alone is a +8k

[unreal onyx]

my trinkets are hyper-ass

(that sim is before anvil)

no , with

mb

[fair star]

I got the trinket that turns me into a tornado

[unreal onyx]

that's a good one to die

[fair star]

Yea i hate it

[dense elbow]

Well, gz on the big upgrades mate

[fair star]

One moment

Big d dps

1mil+

The other moment

Game is like fuck u hered a swrilie

And then im gone

[unreal onyx]

I used that trinket on dathea myth

and it was sick

but I also played RAOF on dathea

the only boss where that made sense in S1 iirc

[pallid otter]

515

[unreal onyx]

I just want some rings and trinkets

but mostly trinkets

but if I play arms, I kinda don't wanna "waste" my bullion on augury since that is kinda bad on arms iirc

this is what I have to cook m+ with

[fair star]

What is that mog bro

[unreal onyx]

wdym

[fair star]

Fix it

When i zoom closer its not that bad but from far away its not looking good

[boreal nova]

Getting crazy guys - is there somewhere like a trinket tier list or something? Don’t know what to choose

[unreal onyx]

ok

[fair star]

I like your idea for the mog but the red clashes with the yellow too much

Thats a good mog

[candid falcon]

during execute phase is execute higher prio than raging blow? i feel like im doing worse in execute than last season

[unreal onyx]

wowhead has the best ones listed

[fair star]

Wdym dunno what to choose,if ur reffering to bullion buy fyralath

[forest owl]

S3 we did have better execute damage via bloodbath, now we dont

[fair star]

Bloodbath insane execute

I feel like execute dmg is bad

Needs buff

Doesnt feel like execute

[forest owl]

Im still longing for the days of legion execute, climbing the metre as execute began

[dense elbow]

While I agree, careful mentioning that in hree

The majority in here hate jugg

with a passion

[frank dawn]

you can climb the meter in execute without the shit water mechanic that was legion jugg

it literally only worked on like 4 fights the entire expansion, and one (albeit dope) video of Argus got everyone in here with delusions of grandeur

[quiet geyser]

hotfix, no fury buffs 😦

[forest owl]

I wasnt strictly talking about jugg, execute in legion actually did damage regardless

[fair star]

I remember there was a video from arms warrior in nyalotha

U can see him climbing the meters

Just by pressing execute and nothing else

[dense elbow]

It aint even close to the real execute vid tho

[fair star]

Why do we have keks as emote but not kekw

[young swan]

[dense elbow]

[mossy fox]

[fair star]

https://youtu.be/Isi5HpEh5t0?si=5ncnSZl_UvxaUPp4

[outer cedar]

My trinket goal Augury of the Primal Flame and Screaming Black Dragonscale haha..

[fair star]

R u talking bout fury execute

[dense elbow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk

[modest condor]

wtf power abuse

[fair star]

Lol what

Man i didnt play legion

Feels sadge

[dense elbow]

Legion had real execute

[fair star]

That warrior is going from place 0.5

Not 1

For*

[dire lance]

so why does the S3 build with S4 tier SIM higher for me than the S4 build with S4 tier? is it actually comperable or am i missing something important with sim lol

[fair star]

How does odyns fury sim higher for u without the odyns fury tier set

😕

[dire lance]

i have no clue lol

[fair star]

Raidbots is tripping

[dense elbow]

Two parter, s3 is better ST DPS off the bat - but S4 will do better with ilvl.

2nd is your items and stats, prob pushing s3 harder than s4

Once ya got enough ilvl, s4 will be better, and as you push stats and gear, it will come even faster

[dire lance]

hmm, fair enough. ilvl is still working its way up so ill check again in a week or so

[solar willow]

anyone open to coach me rq

[dire lance]

only up to 507 so far

[modest condor]

s3 build with s4 tier?

something must be off there

[dense elbow]

also, just in case - do remember to sim with the correct build for s4, it is in the pins

[modest condor]

s3 build is bad without s3 tier

[brittle crow]

surely we dont just not use lego?

does lego take prio over rb or smth

[dense elbow]

Lego takes prio over anything that isnt inside your CDs

[compact flint]

i reverted back to my season 3 4 tier set and i gotta say it feels good dps wise especially with the new weapons upgrade etc. i do around 250k dps single target no buffs

[dire lance]

Raid ST 2 is the S4 build at the bottom

oh you know what, i forgot to swap the build from Titan's Torment to BT

[modest condor]

that would explain something

[idle robin]

After I swapped to the new tier set it feels i'm doing less damage on raids tbh

[dire lance]

damn, thats crazy difference, that was it! whoops 😅 1 talent swap was 20k dps diff

[compact flint]

im staying 493 item level it feels good again to do the same ST dps as a 520 item level

[long smelt]

s4 build bad with or without s4 tier lol

[dire lance]

even with the talent fix Arms still outsimming Fury for me by 40k

[mossy fox]

arms outsims many specs by that number

[heady saffron]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/714624750705442876/1235758893326401627/91e941f2b4432c563cce348324830a93.png?ex=663589a7&is=66343827&hm=2e37bb288d660acee02a289a8f38e01a4c4078202e7f6d26b5320de911a4bc01&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1031&height=670

kinda hurt my feels

[keen kindle]

Arms is truly the warhammer 40,000

[long smelt]

everything outsims fury cri

[compact flint]

Single target dps with season 3 full set.

[long smelt]

and boomies got trolled with tier

[keen kindle]

Seeing havoc down there makes me smile

[dense adder]

ok my dudes whats the stat prio for furry warriors now??? lol

[fallen pecan]

So I gotta ask is there anything better than BIS? Ik it sounds dumb but I mean like is there any way to further optimise my character? If that makes sense

[keen kindle]

BiS what? trinkets, weapons, gear in general?

[dense adder]

weapon is lego + asscandy

[keen kindle]

There isn't really a full BiS anymore, mostly just weapons and trinkets that are strong and even then they usually aren't universally applicable (unless it's OCE/WII)

[dense adder]

stat priority for fury anyone? is it haste/vers?? haste/mast??

[broken river]

Mast then haste

But always just sim the pieces basically

[fallen pecan]

Like weapons / trinkets / rings etc

[broken river]

Focus on ur ilvl first since str is biggest dps gain

[fallen pecan]

Basically everything

[keen kindle]

There is no hard bis anymore, hasn't been for a very long time

The only thing that is hard bis is the lego

And the eranog ring

Beyond that it's in part up to gear and party comp

party comp becasue of how OCE and Incarnate icon work

[fallen pecan]

I see things really changed that much since shadowlands? or am I out of the loop entirely

[keen kindle]

There wasn't even hard bis in shadowlands aside from a few items like gavel

BiS in wow is a very loose term

Usually the "best" trinkets have downsides or requirements that need to met for them to go above and beyond, espically in df

[fallen pecan]

I see

[keen kindle]

OCE and Incarante icon need party buffs to reach their full potentional, Anvil/Signet (mainly signet) need longer fight times/chainpulling to outpace other options.

[fallen pecan]

I usually just look at icy veins / wow head and go

[keen kindle]

They're a good place to start

[fallen pecan]

“Okay time to take note and get out a checklist”

[keen kindle]

But sims can help narrow it down to what would be the biggest upgrade possible for you

espically with the ability of fated to buy basically anything you want with a special effect from a raid

[fallen pecan]

Ye I use raidbot a lot when there’s an item I’m not too sure will help

[keen kindle]

Really just use raid bots for just about anything related to gearing

It's the closest way aside from just throwing said item (trinket, weap, exc) into content and seeing if it's good or not

[fallen pecan]

Fair enough

I honestly did that with the old talents I’d always keep checking to see if I could be doing better or na

[keen kindle]

talents are a bit more cut and dry in terms of dps too

[fallen pecan]

Funnily enough I was surprised a few times

[fallen pecan]

Yeah it’s not as easy to sim them individually anymore lol

shame :(

[keen kindle]

I mean if you want to get scammed it can be

AKA raidbots premium LOL

[fallen pecan]

Yeah fuck that

I ain’t paying that

Xd

[keen kindle]

I mean I don't, like I said it's a total scam to me lol

When you could just like

Open a couple tabs

[fallen pecan]

What I do

Even back in sl lololol

[keen kindle]

Just do it well you watch smth or at work

[compact flint]

From my calculations into math...I did some raidbot sims just now on all my gear both season 3 and season 4 and what i read on paper is that season 3 for 493 item level with raiding talents does 268,199 dps and for mythic+ season 3 does 246,631 dps.

Only difference i see is for season 4 at 502 is the raid dps is 2k under season 3. and for mythic+ its 20k above at 502 (This is with my current gear)

[sour tundra]

after the legendary upgrade what should be the next item we get with bullions?

[compact flint]

I would go for Augury from the list or Signet brand which ever is better for your sims.

[dapper goblet]

why does my droptimizer sim 7k higher than when i quick sim...

any lore knowers..

[olive wraith]

What’s the quick sim

D slice m?

[compact knot]

the damage sucks but my god its so much fun to play

[dapper goblet]

no just patchwerk

[olive wraith]

Maybe droptimizer doesn d slice

[compact knot]

send them both to me rq

i think it might be really obvious let me check it

[compact knot]

we got one guy paying it then the entire guild using that account

owns

[keen kindle]

Valid

[hoary quarry]

hi guys if i don't have any set piece what build should i use ??

[dense elbow]

The S4 one

[olive wraith]

But take out the bt talents

And put them in exe

[sullen dove]

u have the "upgrade everything" checked

[dapper goblet]

figured it out already tardis

[sullen dove]

die

bazed jr

jtp jr

[dapper goblet]

lost 40k to go fury

feelsgoodman

[sullen dove]

w

huge buffs next week tho right

dont worry

youll get like

10k

[dapper goblet]

[manic veldt]

I miss Odens fury build i had

[sullen dove]

real

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fcCzjFCwk4tFUraxRLJD9Z
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dwpL5WUSM1QxC7Dfp7Qmo5

can someone enlighten me as to how last seasons tier at 508 avg ilvl is 190 less dps

than current 4set

at 516 ilvl

[icy flume]

so is the agury the trinket to purchase with the bullions?

[keen kindle]

no

[olive wraith]

2% rampage buff

[keen kindle]

Augury isp mid

[sullen dove]

for fury??

[icy flume]

yesir for fury

[olive wraith]

Aug is pretty good for fury

[sullen dove]

isnt augury bis

for fury

[keen kindle]

No?

[olive wraith]

I think it is

[sullen dove]

?

literally is

[icy flume]

yea from what i understood augury is bis

[olive wraith]

Ya probably better to get Aug>oh

[sullen dove]

its just if you also play arms aug isnt as good for arms

[icy flume]

augury and cataclysmic is for single target

[sullen dove]

but at that high ilvl anything is good

[olive wraith]

Or loot it next week

[sullen dove]

assuming u dont have leggo

to be asking that question

[icy flume]

no i dont have the leggo 😦

[sullen dove]

🫡

[olive wraith]

Oh is this first purchase

Or the next one

[sullen dove]

yea either a trink like that or eranog ring also pretty good

[icy flume]

yes first purcahse and dont want to spend the bulloions on something i wont need

[sullen dove]

but less good without leggo tbh unless u have a bunch of other fire dam sources

[olive wraith]

Mmmm

I wonder if ashcandi is worth

Big mh wep might be worth

[sullen dove]

yea do yuo have a good weapon currently

good meaning high ilvl

[icy flume]

i have the augury i got last season and its up there on my dps details\

[sullen dove]

if you have like a 502 weapon prolly just send the ashkandur

[olive wraith]

Is it heroic ilvl if you buy from vendor?

[sullen dove]

they all start at 493

but you upgrade to 528

[olive wraith]

That might be worth

Do a top gear sim and compare the 2

[sullen dove]

think u can droptimizer vendor

[olive wraith]

Oh? TIL

[olive wraith]

Oh that’s neat

[compact flint]

Just ran a mythic+ dungeon with the talents at 502 and i only was doing 185-200k max ST and 220k AoE

[sullen dove]

[sullen dove]

@young swan thoughts

[young swan]

s2 bad

s3 good

[compact flint]

Got this as fury...

[sullen dove]

sounds like a swap to arms moment

regardless even if its not ideal its not like its unusable as fury

if u can just somehow juice up a bunch of mast/verse on other places

like enchants/gems

socket pretty good value either way tho

idk sim find out

😄

[compact flint]

Its bis for Arms

[modest condor]

im pretty sure that ring would sim as a downgrade for me on fury lol

[sullen dove]

ya proly

[chilly fractal]

Normal mode memes (who cares about assault)

[sullen dove]

so powerful

[modest condor]

you know assault is the only boss that matters

also how the hell did it take 51 seconds to kill assault

that should be a 20 second boss

[chilly fractal]

alts man

[sullen dove]

L

[chilly fractal]

I missed rank 1 normal Kazzara... but I got mythic rank 1 so w/e

[sullen dove]

mobbo owns bazed??

[dapper goblet]

do you still have to ava before reck

or did they fix that..

[sullen dove]

fixed

doesnt matter

[dapper goblet]

thank god

these are the changes we need

[sullen dove]

immense quality of life

(doesnt affect anything but lets you move two lines in a macro) (if you want)

(doesnt change dps even slightly)

[modest condor]

hey man it means you dont lose avatar uptime if you just send reck/rav and then avatar comes off cooldown 2 seconds later

[sullen dove]

tru

real

[ember apex]

poggers

[chilly fractal]

Didn't see one on normal heroic or mythic

big sad

[compact knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1219002303407849515/1235709544068419695/IMG_5574.jpg?ex=66355bb1&is=66340a31&hm=af1b68985b0f665e3cf399bbee1ace7cd48ff14d84a3ee60d45d080275dd4c7d&

[compact flint]

That's next on my list from bullions.

[compact knot]

augury is pretty good too, for me right now its 400 dps less than a ashkandur, but much better on aoe fights and probably a little harder to get too

either are probably the best choices right now

i got a max lego and 522 offhand

[thorny sparrow]

im trying to macro Fyralath to charge, as in once charge is done you press it again to do the onuse effect, but i dont know what the /use is for main hand

[compact flint]

Does the one from bullion be better than the 489 mythic augury from s3?

[thorny sparrow]

im still mad there was euro streamer spam to make tier 2 overtaker tier 3, and the entire reason they did that was because they missed AM/Ravager

which wouldve been even better with tier 1

so we got the worst tier out of three

[normal yoke]

true true

[wild mica]

arms streamers sabotaging fury players

[sinful spoke]

disgusting padder

[olive wraith]

Well idk about that. S1 was kinda ass tuning

[thorny sparrow]

yes but they were giving the sets a tune up before s4

[olive wraith]

Ya look how that went for s2

[thorny sparrow]

cant fix a broken system

s2 was bad when it was s2

[olive wraith]

What were they gonna do triple the sd procs?

[gilded pawn]

S1 was unfixable

S2 was one of the highest gains out of any tier set purely because how bad S1 is that was funny

not saying that S2 is actually good

[olive wraith]

S2 power is like all in the 2p

[gilded pawn]

eh 4p isnt too bad

its very little gcds for like 5-6% extra damage

its just underwhelming

better than crushing advance thats for sure

[long smelt]

too many stacks

too little dmg

[thorny sparrow]

too much weakaura

meanwhile s3 was best at everything

[long smelt]

also its very forced

[olive wraith]

I don’t think wa is an issue tbh

[thorny sparrow]

except people crying about ravager and annihilator

[long smelt]

like rampage buff in 2pc but then bt for 4pc

why

just keep it rampage focused

[olive wraith]

But the stacked bt just doesn’t hit nearly as hard as it should

Should boost os instead or something

That would slap

[long smelt]

correct me if im wrong but even at max stacks it cant hit harder than s3

[gilded pawn]

they were scared of making a set tied to the talent

[olive wraith]

Meh they always do that

Like literally s1 and s3 were tied to talents

[gilded pawn]

not true

you need 5 stacks to have the same increase as S3

5 stacks also give you 60% crit chance which is about what you need to have 100% also

60% from stack+20% reck+20% stats

[olive wraith]

But also RA increases bt damage so overall you’re not reaching the same level

[gilded pawn]

yeah RA is where the gap comes from

its not the set

[thorny sparrow]

s2 4p doesnt even do anything without cold steel hot blood

[gilded pawn]

thats just false

[olive wraith]

It still does dmg. Just an underwhelming amount

Cshb was only like 4% of the overalls iirc

In s2

[gilded pawn]

looking at logs rn

[olive wraith]

It might be higher now since we get to 100% crit faster

[gilded pawn]

nah looking at s2 logs wait up

[olive wraith]

Lmao actually?

[gilded pawn]

CSHB is about 1/4th of the damage

[olive wraith]

Is this a key or boss dmg

[gilded pawn]

mag from S2 logs

[olive wraith]

Cshb goes harder in keys im pretty sure

[gilded pawn]

yea

[olive wraith]

But ironically I think it’s still less than s3

[gilded pawn]

but saying its carried by cshb is just not true

[olive wraith]

Ye true

[gilded pawn]

cshb is more % of our damage yeah

in 10.2

but thats because you are pressing raw BTs very often too

[gilded pawn]

honestly considering you are pressing BT 4x for only 2x cshb damage

s2 sort of uses cshb better

[olive wraith]

Wouldn’t more uptime be better use

[gilded pawn]

well thats not because of the set

its just because of the build

consider that your 100% bt/bbs are all grouped

[olive wraith]

Oh ya I wasn’t saying cause of the set you right

[gilded pawn]

while S2 is spaced out

so you arent overwriting cshb with S2

[olive wraith]

Specifically tied to set s2 is probably the winner in terms of Cshb

[gilded pawn]

every cshb ticks out for full duration most of the time

ye

[olive wraith]

What is it 6 seconds?

Ugh I’m gonna miss the self heals

[gilded pawn]

6

i like how wclogs tooltip is referring to the azerite power or whatever

it should be a % of AP

[wild mica]

enraged regen is a dps loss now

[olive wraith]

Staying alive isn’t

[quartz rampart]

true

[long smelt]

its ok tww will save us

[wild mica]

so far its looking like the opposite

[olive wraith]

Did you see the changes

[ember apex]

im much more conservative w/ my enraged regen now

[olive wraith]

They’re trending for the better

[long smelt]

big bt buffs

[ember apex]

6/6 Heroic ashkandur does the same damage as helm enchant in a key

[buoyant salmon]

sounds right

[olive wraith]

Wooo free dmg

Heroic helm too?

[late ivy]

what consumables to use at 4pc?

[olive wraith]

Just the normal ones I don’t think we’ve changed all xpac

[late ivy]

hissing>howling and corrupting>tepid verse?

[eternal sundial]

Might have to sim ur stat food or runes

But realistically theyll all be the same

[late ivy]

thanks

[rancid heron]

is fury warrior in a good spot right now?

or do i switch to arms and pray for fury buffs

[alpine steppe]

In M+ there always is this point where I have avatar + roar but still time left on reck/rav am I just sending them w/out?

[alpine steppe]

No but there is certainly fights in raid it will be good in I'm sure and it has some advantages in keys like being able to take Shockwave, tankier etc

[olive wraith]

rms can take shockwave

[broken kindle]

Any1 else struggling with s4 4set?
Kinda many cds to track and to use tbh

[rose vessel]

I am fucking positive 4p is bugged

Someone parsed a 91 in my heroic in S3 gear

Also the fact that people are able to play at like 35% haste

[rustic haven]

Its not bugged. Its just trash.

[rose vessel]

Do you do meth or what

[olive wraith]

It’s not bugged like

We knew the st drop was big

[sullen dove]

what makes you think thats not possible

[clever belfry]

it is impossible to blast this much burst

[olive wraith]

Burst

[ember apex]

are we even that bad?

8brackenhide

[sullen dove]

no but they are

regardless fury's fine in keys for the most part

[ember apex]

different palyers

[sullen dove]

just doesnt really keep up in super high pull counts

which u do less of on a fort bolster week prolly

[ember apex]

my brackenhide wasnt too bad

i think i was top on boss damage too even on RLP whelp pad boss

[strong swan]

Is it possible to catalise s3 set?

[rose vessel]

It's 50 ilvl below the item level of the raid and is bad because, wait for it ||nobody can farm s3 tier anymore||

I don't give a shit about m+

[sullen dove]

i mean the tokens should still drop from amirdrassil

psure u can still get it

like nonfated amirdrassil i mean

or at the very least should still be able to catalyze nonfated amir items for tmog?

[strong swan]

Anyway, even with s4 4p set i will still play s3 build.

Not pushing high keys or raiding, so it doesnt matter

[sullen dove]

very very bad

actively working against s4 set

might as well not wear it

s4 set builds a bt to hit every once in a while and s3 build you spam bt every other global so you build nothing

should maybe try and run amirdrassil nonfated and just get that tier/cata into it if you still can

[strong swan]

That would be so hard now, but can try

[sullen dove]

i mean people still kinda run the raid

maybe not a full clear

but def skip to fyrakk for legendary chance and fyrakk drops omnitokens

so decent shot

[strong swan]

Well i can use at least 2 set bonus

Not 4

[sullen dove]

yea 2 is fine ig

but im just saying s3 build does not do damage, without s3 4set

or at least 2set

the whole buffing odyns fury and buffing bb's to do a ton of damage

specifically comes from s3 set

so u can still play it for the feel if u want

just wont really perform at all

until u get old tier

[strong swan]

Did BH yesterday, 4, without any set bonus, with s3 build, wasnt that bad i think

[sullen dove]

[strong swan]

And i probably wont do higher keys then 6 🤣

Barely made it in to 4 even

[covert blaze]

swordfish any more grom clips

[sullen dove]

eh probably

[covert blaze]

[sullen dove]

lot of keys

with odd individuals

and especially on odd characters

(derosa dying 10 times a key moment)

[strong swan]

Will bb benefit from 4 p bonus, or it is just meant for bt?

[sullen dove]

bb would too

[strong swan]

Season 4 i mean

[sullen dove]

so u can technically run RA instead of AM

i think that is a "viable" build that only does a little worse than just AM

[strong swan]

Thank you

[fading knot]

I sweae the s3 set ilvl 476-483 is better then my s4 set ilvl 502-506

[sullen dove]

maybe

[fair star]

Its not

[fading knot]

Maybe i need more haste for s4 but still feels worse

[mossy fox]

i was at 245k sim at end of s3 with 489 ilvl im pretty sure in st talents

then at 506(?) this season i was already at 265 with m+ talents

it's not as big of an increase as it should be but idk how people are losing dps

[sullen dove]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fcCzjFCwk4tFUraxRLJD9Z
508 ilvl with s3 talents and set

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dwpL5WUSM1QxC7Dfp7Qmo5
516 ilvl with s4 set and talents

p crazy

[mossy fox]

oh yeah suppose swapping just the set pieces can do that

[red berry]

that is so wack

[sullen dove]

200 dps diff btw

for 8 less ilvl

realistically like only 6 ilvl tbh cause s3 set also using 489 giga mastery neck

cuz my fury has 0 mastery

so if anything with a current season mastery neck s3 might even pull ahead

[red berry]

what should they even do to fix it

[sullen dove]

buff the set more

[red berry]

just make it so bloodthirst does 75% per stack or something

[sullen dove]

ya

would be a place to start

prolly not much

[red berry]

i just wish rampage didn't feel so

weak

[sullen dove]

eh i mean its the only button that shouldnt feel weak tbh

[red berry]

yeah

[sullen dove]

but its also like broken apart into several hits

so you dont get the arms dopamine of like 800k ms crit

for example

even if meters says its doing a lot

barely feel that shit

s3 bb kinda gave that same dopamine

and like s4 bt's could, if they werent less damage than an ashkandur proc on a humanoid

but some set buff would be nice

[olive wraith]

“We’ve heard your feedback and we’ve decided to give arms 4% damage increase for all abilities”

[sullen dove]

[mossy fox]

checks out

[olive wraith]

I do miss them fat bb crits

[sullen dove]

in my guilds (failed) attempt to rekill fyrakk for mounts

[olive wraith]

Arms ms has really been fulfilling that this season

[sullen dove]

(wiped on fyrakk at 12% have dps in the raid doing a third of my dps)

i played s3 fury on tindral

was pretty nice

got like a 2mil leggo crit from final hit

but idk theres probably gonna be a learned "scienced out" way to play arms on that fight

but trying ravager just did not feel good chief

[olive wraith]

On tswift? Ya ain’t no way

[sullen dove]

not even just the fact that odyns is better on roots just if you want to root break with the same timings u have to hold ravager

[olive wraith]

Not enough burst

[sullen dove]

for like

half a minute to a minute

completely counterintuitive to the playstyle

it didnt feel as big of a loss to hold onto an odyns

[olive wraith]

Odyns is also like half the cd

[sullen dove]

i mean u still can build a ravager to come back in like 40ish seconds

timing shouldnt be "too" much of an issue

[olive wraith]

Odyns is like 20 isn’t it

[sullen dove]

but reck/rav is just simply not a good odyns replacement on that fight

eh bit of a stretch, think like 25-30 more reasonable

[mossy fox]

only quick damage works on tindral

[sullen dove]

ya i wasnt even referring to damage like that will be worse too its just the avatar root breaks

feel so much more awkward

[olive wraith]

Meanwhile ret

Just obliterates it in 2seconds

[sullen dove]

if you want to get off the big leggo root funnel on boss you have to either send reck/rav or avatar on that first root

and then not have one of those for the 2nd burn root

idk

just gonna be weird

[olive wraith]

Just use the 2 ravager talent

[sullen dove]

holy true

double ravager cooking

f hurricane

[mossy fox]

think you can pick up a spare feather also

[olive wraith]

Idek what it’s called

[mossy fox]

some arms people did that in s3

[sullen dove]

ya could also try that maybe

i used to do that early prog but stopped bothering after a while

still have the random one off "you took my feather" sling out in vc 500 pulls in

[mossy fox]

ya

never needed to bother cause s3 build made tindral super free

[sullen dove]

but yea i think realistic choices are make arms work or honestly just equip s3 hosen

arms a little sillier since ava/bs your only root break options

and weird to use either on the first set

but maybe just feather yoink moment

[white tulip]

it is likely asked a thousand times here and sorry to ask it again then but havent been on discord much, is it worth to break 4pc s3 for 2pc 2pc ?

[sullen dove]

na

you can try to sim 2/2 with s3 talents and it will "function", but trying to squeeze odyns into s4 talent build is not really worth the effort

and is definitely worse than the former

even still 12% ramp damage just might not beat more frequent odyns

[white tulip]

alright tyvm👍

[mossy fox]

think arms just takes the L and doesnt root break

dead weight if you spec BS

[fair star]

Play gnome

[clever belfry]

now thats an L

[fair star]

Bis race for pvp

[clever belfry]

its 2024

[mossy fox]

survive the 2nd root set and you're fine without rootbreak right

[clever belfry]

ye

which u can still just on avatar for

[fair star]

If i become wowhead writer im gonna put gnome as S tier

[clever belfry]

not great but it is what it is

[mossy fox]

ya

[fair star]

You get 5% morr rage

[sullen dove]

[indigo arch]

Which piece for offset of tier, leg?

has to be leg considering s2 devalueing crit some, yea?

[clever belfry]

your best offset is whatever slot u got the best offset piece in

[sullen dove]

(It is leg but really doesn’t matter until very very late in gearing when you’re trying to minmax stats more)

(just equip whatever hosen raidbot say)

[clever belfry]

real kings use 5set

(me) (it is what it is)

[mossy fox]

about to be a 5 set gamer too i think

[clever belfry]

Wasnt really the plan but i ended up with mythic leg chest and shoulders

[mossy fox]

actually no i have hero track haste vers avoidance legs, gonna fit that in somehow

[clever belfry]

And already had gloves and head week 1 for set so

[viral plaza]

just get the haste/vers legs from zaquali assault 4head

[clever belfry]

surely we will be doing zaqali a lot come week 7

[mossy fox]

hi kaban

[dapper jacinth]

Re u a king?

Hi critge

[mossy fox]

plunder is gone

[dapper jacinth]

GG

We didn't play it

[red berry]

i mentioned this but i just

want ravager to hit harder

ive also spoken enough about rampage. pretty much everything just needs to hit harder

[eternal sundial]

Huh

Rava already fucks

[clever belfry]

I am THE king, in fact

[eternal sundial]

Hose@clever belfry?

[fair star]

Buff fury dmg by 10%

[clever belfry]

In bus rn, so yes

[left locust]

Which Trinket Comb do you plan to get as BIS for Fury?

[unreal cosmos]

Little question : why is ravager before reck + avatar and even before enrage in many guides ? It's not benefiting from it ?

[clever belfry]

It takes a bit to tick and it is dynamic

so you essentially gain a global within ur reck/ava window

[unreal cosmos]

Oh ok thanks mate

[calm mantle]

is there a way to farm Shikaari Huntress' Arrowhead? or is it rng?

WoWhead shows it as a drop from hunt box so wasn't sure if its purely rng.

[clever belfry]

rng

[calm mantle]

So feast + hunt main?

[flat river]

grr

[fair star]

https://tenor.com/view/clash-royale-clashroyale-angry-gif-5302587

[analog marlin]

Hello my warrior fury's friends. I just got two ingots and I have the equipment more or less on par with ilvl, I have 488 on average. What should I buy first, the Fyralath upgrade?

[clever belfry]

Yes

[analog marlin]

Thank so much, my dear

[unreal cosmos]

So it would be place rava, reck+ava, charge with ww, onslaught, roar and then ramp, rb and BT when 100% ?

[covert blaze]

don't call my girlfriend ''dear''

[hardy cargo]

[clever belfry]

??

[clever belfry]

On pull with 0 rage i usually just charge -> ons -> rav
technically not optimal, but range tossing rav is fucking ass so i cba

(and its really an irrelevant difference)

[covert blaze]

[unreal cosmos]

Thanks for the answer

[sterile shore]

Hello guys, I am at the moment when I must craft an bis item, I saw many options like feet + bracers shadowflame or bracers versa and legs haste

Or cloak shadowflame and bracers versa

May someone tell me which si bis craft item for fury warrior ?

m+ also raid

[hardy cargo]

vers wrist go hard

[fair star]

Guys

Theorycrafting

Once fury gets bis gear it will go hard

[eternal sundial]

Clueless

[fair star]

Just wait fury will slap

[mossy fox]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/29xuzkWjLofAEq2NXUXR4f

my gear is kinda cracked, fury pure st wont be saved unless there's tuning

[narrow delta]

@maiden copper

[mossy fox]

arms is at 385k for me

[fair star]

Thats more than 10% dmg increse going from fury to arms then

[narrow delta]

seems about right

[sullen basin]

15% for me
Same for critcake

[narrow delta]

its fury's fault I cant do more than 200k on ST though

[sterile shore]

So versa bracers

And the 2nd craft item ? 'cuz bracers are kinda high ilvl and maybe i replace other item 😄

[rustic obsidian]

you guys holding Ava + roar in m+ if its unaligned with reck rav?

[viral plaza]

never hold

[ebon junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/w6YgvdjdYnKT9YfQ8yqNAw

get anvil diffed

[broken kindle]

Is arms "Harder" to perform properly?
Mained fury since beginning but I guess I gotta slap more as arms?

[rustic obsidian]

that would unalign the cds tho 😄

[sullen basin]

For me yes, because I am unskilled

It's gonna be harder if you haven't done it before

It's basically another class

[narrow delta]

is it or Diurna ring?

[mossy fox]

anvil and ring diffed

[eternal sundial]

Piss easy spec

[ebon junco]

just cus of this i went into academy with full ST

[narrow delta]

[mossy fox]

/simc cursed gg

i did the same yesterday

not the first time

[narrow delta]

I'm sure the rest of the group were happy

[mossy fox]

lashers gather up, try to press cleave, nothing happens

realise you've got colossus smash

despair

o wrong channel for that, apologies

[oblique trail]

repent crit

speaking of the opposite spec

[rustic obsidian]

so we rly go for ava roar alone not waiting for 2nd reck to align?

[mossy fox]

cds on cd

more cds more good

less cds less good

[hushed walrus]

I feel like fury atm is like biking with 0 resistance

[mossy fox]

huh

that makes more sense

[narrow delta]

There are instances on ST where you could hold spear a couple seconds for ravager

but thats extremely minor

[mossy fox]

hes talking ava roar so in 99% cases just send

[rustic obsidian]

so we just send cds on cd

holding max 5-10s?

[mossy fox]

even thats too long

just send unless you're holding for something very specific like a boss dmg amp phase in a few secs or tank is about to add more trash or something

[narrow delta]

its a better habit to send cds too much than hold too much

cds - good

real question is where can I get a :Pedro

[mossy fox]

become yellow

[narrow delta]

I'm too much of a yapper, too little warrior

[covert blaze]

too relatable

[mossy fox]

tbf if you annoy blue rank enough you might be able to convince them to add pedro

popular little thing innit

[eternal sundial]

@surreal mirage

Trick is to ask the cool ones

Not xan

[tranquil hedge]

hi crit can you share what talent is good for s4 with 4 new tier ? fury

[eternal sundial]

[covert blaze]

[surreal mirage]

[mossy fox]

sorry late...

[mossy fox]

wowhead talents are good

[eternal sundial]

Plebcorn>

[narrow delta]

-not sorry, Pedro is cool

[surreal mirage]

What is pedro

[mossy fox]

this emote

[narrow delta]

this boi

only the chosen ones can use the emote atm

[surreal mirage]

Can you send the gif

[mossy fox]

uhh im on mobile maybe i can sec

[surreal mirage]

or does carl have the yoink feature

[narrow delta]

yoink

[indigo arch]

anyone know when fury's tuning pass goes live?

surely this extended april fools joke is coming to a close

[eternal sundial]

Tww

[rose vessel]

Day 14 of Season 4: fury warrior voted for a fundamentally worse tier set, if only some of us had intelligence on our gear

[eternal sundial]

So 11.2

[rose vessel]

I mean I can't be mad because arms is s tier but I am mad

[surreal mirage]

[mossy fox]

late did it

[narrow delta]

[indigo arch]

fk arms, wod ruined it

[covert blaze]

[rose vessel]

I mean fury for keys is fine so that's nice

[subtle lagoon]

Keep fury S tier for keys, no one gives a shit about raids

[fervent turtle]

true

[barren dagger]

Fury S tier for keys in what world?

Asking for a friend

[surreal mirage]

Just uninstall wow and go outside and touch grass tbh

[royal swan]

Fury is f tier is keys

[indigo arch]

Yea idk what world we talkin

last time fury felt close to that was bfa

[subtle lagoon]

Not saying that they are, but that they should be.

[mossy fox]

based late

i barely play wow

[subtle lagoon]

warrior is never s tier in anything

[barren dagger]

Liar crit

[subtle lagoon]

Except for battle shout

[indigo arch]

ironically, in s2 fury absolutely dicked everything (or felt like it did) in m+ dam

[mossy fox]

cause it was tuned pretty good

[indigo arch]

somehow with the same tier fury is now relgated to "ok I guess if you aren't in a group with dh etc"

[barren dagger]

even s3 it was pretty good

[surreal mirage]

🧢

[indigo arch]

s3 was pretty nice too

[glad coyote]

blizz cant tune

[subtle lagoon]

Remember when blizzard promised tuning? Kek double you

[fervent turtle]

my fire mage guildmate yesterday was super pissed mumbling something about "... Warrior... Paladin... does so stupid much damage..."

in a key

[barren dagger]

How bad would an aura buff be for fury?

tuning wise

[indigo arch]

paladin would be a valid gripe seeing how they have an answer for everything in a key

[surreal mirage]

@mossy fox wanna hear something ironic

[indigo arch]

warr SHOULD melt other ppl, seeing how there's literally no reason to inv it atm

[mossy fox]

let's hear it

[past depot]

just got 4 set, feels worse than last season lmao

[surreal mirage]

I got alpha access but i havent played in 6 months and have no gametime

[past depot]

is the future gonna be this bleak forever haha

[indigo arch]

clunkier to play, too

[mossy fox]

[indigo arch]

unga bunga s3 odyn aoe burst opener was great

[barren dagger]

As soon as i got 4 set i ran a sim and clicked the arms spec

[narrow delta]

just observe

[fervent turtle]

aggro magnet

[past depot]

arms feels clunky as hell

[indigo arch]

s3 fury spike damage gave me bfa ptsd from bote into cds

insta aoe taunt

[icy topaz]

Again the tier set doomers

[indigo arch]

doomer implies there is grass on the other side

(unless the side is next xpac lmao)

[narrow delta]

Illegal 💀

[indigo arch]

didn't they buff s2 in prep for s4 too? like wat

[short beacon]

S3 Tset > S2 Tset

[subtle lagoon]

Didn't buff it enough, tuning is garbo. Look at heroic raids

[indigo arch]

Oh I seen the chart

[surreal mirage]

Blizzard just desperately wants my return of smth

[indigo arch]

having a commanding lead on aug evokers and......aug evokers

[narrow delta]

stop touching grass, come back inside @surreal mirage

[surreal mirage]

Never

Im out there having a blast

[narrow delta]

[mossy fox]

yes it was buffed, they just didn't know how little that buff did

[icy topaz]

Stop mouthbreathing crit

Its your fault

[narrow delta]

I'm curious to hear this one

[tardy lark]

If thery just already had sims to show how good it was

[mossy fox]

it's quite mean really

[surreal mirage]

How dare you bonk me

[mossy fox]

i've got a cold and blocked nose

not my fault i need to breathe

[icy topaz]

Excuses

[fervent turtle]

tyralion moment. BETRAYER! YOU DOOMED US ALL!

[mossy fox]

again i'm quite happy to play s2, the playstyle is more fun to me

shame the tuning isnt there

[icy topaz]

Im jk man

[indigo arch]

1 like 1 prayer that later s4 fury rises up via the magic of scaling with gear somehow

[narrow delta]

dw fury scales great with gear

[mossy fox]

and in a way it's made worse cause arms is owning

thats also a good thing tho

[fervent turtle]

i am having a good time in keys, thats what matters to me. Can buy trinkets and Ashkandur with bouillion so who cares raiding

[indigo arch]

at least my arms gear setup sims for 10k less in 5 target sim, clearly a GIANT w

https://tenor.com/view/champoy-el-risitas-kek-issou-etu-gif-17837830

10k entire damage

(no i'm not going to add what it'd normally gem, must keep the illusion that staying fury is ok)

[clever belfry]

its to bait u back into the game

trust

[mossy fox]

ngl fury does feel really nice on lower target counts

2nd boss ulda yesterday

[indigo arch]

yea that's the one thing fury does feel like it's p neat at

[clever belfry]

fury is nice on bolster for sure

[indigo arch]

is the one thing it's always kinda been good at

I just wish for uncapped aoe etc

[icy topaz]

After i got 4set this week and played 1 keys felt again in love with fury

[indigo arch]

no utility should = top tier melee dam, smoking rets etc you name it

[surreal mirage]

Ye doesnt really work when i dont plan on playing it at all

[quiet python]

Is it OK to press reck+avatar macro when charging

[indigo arch]

yea should be

[quiet python]

So i start with rav, then pop reck avatar when charging>rampage>thuderours roar

Its ok? Hope i Will work

Cause my prio is all over the place after being used to s3 tier

[leaden spoke]

feelsgood nokhud last boss

[fair star]

Why are thrre dots on this gif

I deleted it

[fair star]

Havent done this

Do i need smallwigs for it

To time it

[oak garden]

What exactly did you reflect?

[subtle lagoon]

Conductive strike

taunt + reflect

[oak garden]

Thanks

[leaden spoke]

i use Raid ability time line bigwigs and littlewigs

[covert blaze]

https://wago.io/Pq8Xhp2_9

[distant heath]

should I train the ruby welp on haste buff or aoe dmg for m+?

[sullen basin]

damn so the 15% increase to arms doesnt just show on sims but also in practice? I don't even know how to play arms

both went for as close to 4 minutes as i could get them
should i just deep dick the raids on arms now and wait for fury changes?

[tender cairn]

up to u

[polar needle]

What are you SR the charge ?

[dense elbow]

Tank Buster

[tender cairn]

[polar needle]

Hmm hmm I’ll have to get the WA I’m new to warr seems like a lot more then expected that you can spell reflect

[warm crag]

you can also check the pinned spreadsheet for reflectable stuff

[eternal sundial]

Biz has guides for s1 and s2

So you can see the reflect in a video

Just skip the non df keys

[polar needle]

I’m also a trash player so I guess it don’t really matter but thanks fir the advice I’ll look into it

[obtuse steeple]

yeah most likely you would end up doing +15s and get your regular free mount . no need to stress on reflectin

[polar needle]

I mean I’ve always got all my portals and around 21/23 but not more

[tender cairn]

can I always just test it urself

send it on cd see what reflects

[polar needle]

lol that’s honestly what I do lol😂

[dense elbow]

At least you use SR

[polar needle]

This is true

[tender cairn]

[unreal onyx]

I use SR almost on CD

just a habit

(I don't need it 95% of the time)

[clever belfry]

that's a bad habit

[unreal onyx]

using it especially when charging into a fresh pack and I potentially could rip aggro from some mob

[clever belfry]

what if its on cd when u nees it

[unreal onyx]

idk

facetank the dmg

im fury

[clever belfry]

bad practice.

[glad coyote]

nok timed 10+

fury pumps

[unreal onyx]

what was the lock doing?

[glad coyote]

idk 509 ilvl the lock was

[tender cairn]

it was me

nah im joking my lock would be at 150k

[marsh kiln]

arms was super ez to learn

only thing that was difficult was just the abilities and the keybinds that i made for them

lol

but it took like 30min of target dummies and a couple dungeons

[obtuse steeple]

arms is goat when mega pulls are happening

[marsh kiln]

not even that

i do consistently big dam every pack

[glad coyote]

im still beating arms on ST in raid in normal/heroic pugs

[marsh kiln]

dont need to wait 1.5min

depends

i sim 260k Fury

311k arms

[glad coyote]

im simming fury at 290k atm in aoe spec

casue i do m+

[marsh kiln]

im 498ilvl

atm

[glad coyote]

im not debating that fury needs a little buff but

we arent as bad as people say we are for m+

raid we suck

[clever belfry]

you absolutely shouldn't.

[marsh kiln]

m+ u just have more survivability

but i dont need to think 10 times whether or not tank will pull away from my ravager

i charge in and spin to win

[glad coyote]

the fact that i play with a premade group makes fury even easier

[polar needle]

I must be doing something way wrong I’m like 502 Ivl with H s4 tier and I only do like 190k