I played venthyr fury in shadowlands lol, I get it
#fury
runic acorn
long smelt
its just the set bonus that sucks
manic gulch
classic reddit doing a bad faith argument to preach bs
olive wraith
its just the set bonus that sucks
That’s entirely the point
long smelt
even s1 was btr set bonus wise
olive wraith
People voted for a bad set
manic gulch
no
olive wraith
No s1 had way less dmg
manic gulch
people voted for a fun set
blizz said they would buff the sets for s4
so performance was not part of the vote
olive wraith
people voted for a fun set
What do you like about s2
eternal sundial
people voted for a fun set
Didnt vote for s1 btw.....
clever escarp
CD on every pack
olive wraith
Ravager isn’t from tier
modest condor
s1 has pretty much the same playstyle as s2 but that set would have been a lot harder to buff
olive wraith
You’re describing am
oblique trail
So two things that has nothing to do with the tier
dense elbow
I do complain about our ST and I do complain about the Tierset BT being weak AF.
Doesn't stop me from empathising with those who ignore those things, and just have fun. Especially M+'rs should have a blast atm
I got the simply human ability to see it from both sides. Doesn't mean I agree totally. Yet, I can understand why they are having fun and dont care 
long smelt
ravager spam is just am
eternal sundial
s1 has pretty much the same playstyle as s2 but that set would have been a lot h...
And doesnt need a cringe wa
runic acorn
AM is the talents we use because of the tier lol
olive wraith
You could vote s1 then
long smelt
which tbf is because the set lets u use am
manic gulch
reality is that s3 allowed people that normally can't keep up with fury to play fury
long smelt
but s1 lets u do that too
olive wraith
reality is that s3 allowed people that normally can't keep up with fury to play ...
What
long smelt
thats s2 cope lmao
dense elbow
Can we stop with the "apm is lower" meme already ._.
olive wraith
Oh no 5 apm less
ashen socket
so performance was not part of the vote
It absolutely was. They said they were going to tune it to be good and like the dummies that alot of people are, Believed them. If they said they were leaving the sets the way they are nobody would have voted season 2 and it would have been equal with season 1
olive wraith
It’s the end of the world
runic acorn
Season 3 was never going to win. Because people didn't want to use the same set they already had.
barren dagger
blizzard forcing me to respec because they can't keep promises smh
modest condor
plenty of people wanted the same set
olive wraith
Season 3 was never going to win. Because people didn't want to use the same set ...
So many classes voted s3
runic acorn
I know, and it lost because of that fact. If the tier bonus for S3 was instead S1, it would have won.
clever escarp
2200 more people voted on s2 in EU
clever escarp
cuz it sucks ass
dense elbow
2200 more people voted on s2 in EU
2200 more characters, player avatars, not people.
You could vote with your alts.
olive wraith
That’s a fine opinion to have
tepid vine
ya NA voters wanted to be sheep
clever escarp
2200 more characters, player avatars, not people.
You could vote with your alts...
i know i voted with 15 of them
runic acorn
The votes aren't representative of the playerbase
olive wraith
But I enjoy anni
tepid vine
I wanted 1min cds back
dense elbow
i know i voted with 15 of them
20 odd something here, mah man you slackin' 
olive wraith
ya NA voters wanted to be sheep
What
runic acorn
Anni is going away anyway, so it doesn't really matter
ashen socket
I only wish the whole community that voted really trolled fury and voted for season 1
lofty scroll
if i remember on the day, some people who voted on s2 said they also voted with alts
dense elbow
Agreed. It would've been a blast
ashen socket
I'd say I would be super excited for how they would tune it but we all know it wouldn't have gotten much of anything
dense elbow
Would be fun kind of drama tho
unreal onyx
tune S4 fury set NYEOW
quiet geyser
to be fair they would probally also fuck up with s1
They did. They did actually "buff" the s1 tier after an overwhelming outcry... but the buff they did was nothing what we asked for and actually made 0 sense
olive wraith
to be fair they would probally also fuck up with s1
There’s not really a good way to tune s1
manic gulch
at the beginning many said that fury was okay and arms was overtuned actually
long smelt
did the ptr ppl only do m+ or something?
barren dagger
yes
dense elbow
It is the #1 conflict maker here, as ppl come "fury good, fury good! trolls, fury good!" from the m+ gang. Then raiders go "fury bad, fury bad! trolls, fury bad!" from their circle.
long smelt
well that explains that
unreal onyx
the downgrade from S3 to S2 in raid is significantly bigger than the upgrade from S3 to S2 in m+
forest owl
blizzard should've known from season 2 that warrior with this set also wasnt good then either
unreal onyx
hence I think S3 shoul've won anyway
quiet geyser
It is the #1 conflict maker here, as ppl come "fury good, fury good! trolls, fur...
That's not entirely true. No1 really said fury was good. The vote specifically said to vote for the set that you thought was more fun. A lot of people find the s2 set more fun. Cant help that blizzard cant keep their word and tune for fuck all
frank dawn
part of the issue is several of the top performing specs also got buffs to tier bonuses that seem random AF in how strong they were and/or buffs/changes to the baseline class that interacts differently with the tier bonus then it did before
olive wraith
Entirely expected
frank dawn
Fury was weak boss dps in Season 2, but it was nowhere near as bad in the grand scheme as it is now
unreal onyx
the buffs to almost every other class killed fury
ashen socket
Fury was weak boss dps in Season 2, but it was nowhere near as bad in the grand ...
It could atleast top on the last 2 bosses which was really nice
Now its not topping at all in mythic raid
on those last 2
vivid moth
Buff rampage damage by 50% from the tier set 
frank dawn
yeah I mean it's a massive failure of tuning regardless for Fury
olive wraith
The thing that kills me the most is s3 is so good for every raid lol
ashen socket
Buff rampage damage by 50% from the tier set <:Pepexecute:595606525272391710>
too much
frank dawn
it's just compounded even further by what they did to several of the better specs also
dense elbow
That's not entirely true. No1 really said fury was good. The vote specifically s...
Conflict is, they crash. Over and over. Then you got the S2 and S3 die hards, who always were at it.
Fun factor doesn't matter, if your fun comes from feeling you aren't a detriment to your raid. Raiders have that problem. M+'ers feel they are doing ok, or good - so they get annoyed that the raiders aren't having the same fun experience.
You see how this loops' en infinitum - untill, hopefully, numbers get tuned.
ashen socket
20% would be plenty
long smelt
just buff the 4pc
frank dawn
the tier bonus is 100% fixable, like the design is fine. They just need to buff the numbers
long smelt
the stacks is too high
dense elbow
Buff will sort 90% of the complaints.
long smelt
and too weak
vivid moth
I’m willing to negotiate down to 25%
olive wraith
Conflict is, they crash. Over and over. Then you got the S2 and S3 die hards, wh...
Idk if people realize but pugs will see the raid rankings and be like I’m never taking fury
manic gulch
Conflict is, they crash. Over and over. Then you got the S2 and S3 die hards, wh...
you're absolutely not a detriment to the raid wtf
lofty scroll
I’m willing to negotiate down to 25%
hahaha
olive wraith
you're absolutely not a detriment to the raid wtf
Did you see the logs breakdown
rotund ginkgo
change fury name to angy
ashen socket
I’m willing to negotiate down to 25%
Even thats too much rampage is our highest damage dealer
rotund ginkgo
imo
vivid moth
Even thats too much rampage is our highest damage dealer
Yea but it’ll be doing 13% more than rn
chrome plover
guys it's a fun season go have fun
rotund ginkgo
every1 knows we are last in dps logs cuz warrior starts with W
change our name to Battler
Angry Battler
vivid moth
Fine 10% aura buff
long smelt
i mean if ur doing less st than aug id say detriment is warranted lol
ashen socket
Woyer
dense elbow
Idk if people realize but pugs will see the raid rankings and be like I’m never ...
I dont care- pugs always feel that way about something or the other. CR, heroism, cleanse... blah blah.
Problem is when your DPS spec is the worst, by a wide margin, and you can chose to play arms. Chosing not to do so, is hurting your team - and that is not fun. So you are forced away from playing what you want - even less fun.
Even if this is not enforced by your guild or raid, if you are a normal functioning human being that want to partake as part of a team - you will enforce this upon yourself.
S4 got a fun tierset and playstyle, problem is in raid it is not fun to bring as it is really sub-optimal.
All is fixed by buffing S4, soon - soon it will be fine.
vivid moth
Just give us an AoE battle rez shout
Brez the closest target
dense elbow
Then we only got the S3 vs S2 gang going on - but they dont care anyhow about the game, they are about the principle of their own little cult gatherings
vivid moth
We shoulda just taken the season 1 tier bonus
dense elbow
The best timeline, that
vivid moth
Just like the arms big brains did
olive wraith
People are upset because they’re more or less forced off their main spec because performance is so much worse
pallid wing
guys probably dumb question, do we sim dungeon slice for m+/aoe? or is it better to set to 5 patchwerk bosses
dense elbow
guys probably dumb question, do we sim dungeon slice for m+/aoe? or is it better...
Depends on what numbers you are looking for. In general, ST is the best to optimise for the boss situations as we cleave - and prio damage carry a lot of value.
5-8t sims are great ways to check your AoE minmax situation.
Dung sims, as far as I know and have been told, are up to date(ish) and you can use it as an ok tool in your belt 
compact flint
I think 185k-200k dps Single target is fine for 502 fury warrior but not 100% certain. (Tested on target dummy)
dense elbow
S3 or S4 set?
compact flint
S4 set
dense elbow
Sounds a bit low, but that could be gear
compact flint
No im on mythic+ S4 talents
dense elbow
230-270k sounds more reasonable, just from feelcraft
compact flint
rotund ginkgo
230-270k sounds more reasonable, just from feelcraft
nah
we're dogshit
and hes with m+ talents
buffless 5min st no way
u do 270k
i was gonna say 220 ish would feel reasonable
tho tbf idk what stats u have or w/e
but y
like, i simmed 219k at season 2 with m+ talents
so i have no clue
compact flint
I have the worse stats
rotund ginkgo
s3*
compact flint
barren dagger
link sim
forest owl
after doing a full heroic clear and some mythic bosses with s4 set holy shit what is that pile of poop
barren dagger
yeah just respec boys
dense elbow
Let me ask you this, numbers aside, did you enjoy the playstyle?
The Ka-ching had any fun to it?
silent burrow
God damn fury is down bad lol
forest owl
the ka-ching would be more fun if it felt like i actually did some dmg when pressing ka-ching button lol
dense elbow
You agree, it would be fun if it did big dam?
compact flint
I prefer the season 3 talents the most above all. Very easy to learn
mossy nimbus
Lmao i sim 15k more in singletarget with old s3 set and 8 ilvl less than with S4 tier. Well done with this shit set lol
forest owl
i always preferred s2 set, not to say s3 was bad, i got used to it, just preferred s2 build than s3, it needs more damage thats for sure
silent burrow
You agree, it would be fun if it did big dam?
Bro if fury did arms numbers, I would be amped
dense elbow
Same
compact flint
but did you sim with 0 buffs or is it me?
I simmed 0 lust because how can you get lust against target dummy?
mossy nimbus
wraith wharf
Buffs prob coming wensday
forest owl
im thinking of committing fury suicide and just switch arms lol
silent burrow
Arms cranks lol
lofty scroll
haha
silent burrow
But it does require more braincells activated to play lol
clever escarp
not really
silent burrow
You lying if you say not really
forest owl
i only played arms in a normal raid yesterday it is stupid damage for what is essentially 2 buttons making up your dmg
dense elbow
I am going Arms for the coming raid, - as I have reached the point where I feel it would be trolling my team if I dont 
silent burrow
If you only press 3 buttons in st you gonna grey parse
red berry
lmao
olive wraith
You lying if you say not really
Nono he’s got a point. Ramp rb is way harder than ms-op,tc,ww,
clever escarp
those 2 specs are both braindead
red berry
real.
olive wraith
Then let’s include cs
dense elbow
only if you include Bloodthirst
olive wraith
To say arms isn’t harder is delusional
silent burrow
Absolutely delusional
dense elbow
Wonder if all the devs are too busy fixing cata, to fix Retail :v
clever escarp
okey spam aka fury is easier but lets not lie to our self that arms is 300 iq spec
olive wraith
I don’t think anyone stated arms is 300 iq
left perch
arguers
silent burrow
Literally the people that write the book for arms fumble it because it gets convoluted lol
If you think it's easy, you're probably bad at it.
ember apex
To say arms isn’t harder is delusional
when u make a wow account, the default class u land on is warrior, if u make a warrior the default spec u are is arms. its like this for a reason
ember apex
arms is prob one of the most basic specs in the game
red berry
lmao
olive wraith
More basic than fury? Bm?
ember apex
yes more basic but not by much
olive wraith
Cap
ember apex
fury and BM are also easy specs
silent burrow
Carlo moment atm
barren dagger
ret is press anything and blast whole screen
olive wraith
For skill floors arms is definitely harder than those mentioned
barren dagger
but also skill cap on ret is high because of utility
olive wraith
Ya I can agree with that ret take
olive wraith
but the spam is not making it an easy class
Spam doesn’t mean more difficult
barren dagger
i dont think spam is hard
olive wraith
You’re pressing the same 2 buttons faster
silent burrow
apm on fury and arms are pretty close I reckon
olive wraith
That’s not complicated
main merlin
arms just feels boring
silent burrow
Arms did lose a little with the IP change but it's still gcd locked
main merlin
like there is nothing to press at times
wraith wharf
the hardest part about most of the classes is finding the correct gear to wear, not the rotations
silent burrow
momentum is stupid
manic gulch
they need to rework that shit
main merlin
as well as backflip
olive wraith
Let them keep killing themselves
red berry
i miss ignore pain
silent burrow
ip good button
silent burrow
Yeah I don't think it should be part of the rotation, but it is a great button
red berry
it is a very good button
olive wraith
Use it offensively then you die
manic gulch
Let them keep killing themselves
silent burrow
I wish it still worked for am and such right now... but if we continued having to do that it would be so bad
fallen ginkgo
i need this with 
ember apex
More basic than fury? Bm?
the DPS variance for arms vs fury has typically (and this holds true for most of this expansion) is that the bottom tier arms player is closer to the upper tier of arms player than fury is
meaning the skill gap between bottom and best is less for arms than it is for fury
it is this way because it is slightly easier
modest condor
really?
ember apex
yeah i just looked at 10.7 aberrus mythic all percentile
just as an example b/c its a full data set vs this patch
olive wraith
Using mythic as a skill floor doesn’t seem right
dense elbow
That could just be because the avg arms player is more skilled tho
ember apex
we all do mythic here, no one is talking about heroic raiders
olive wraith
Don’t think that’s true
modest condor
yeah idk you cant really take much information from heroic
dense elbow
LFR data only
modest condor
most of the high end parses are gonna be burst heavy
olive wraith
For skill floor I’d say you’d have to take data from all difficulties
modest condor
then you end up with people who use hamstring rotationally in your data
ember apex
i mean he asked me to check, but to his point it is less true in heroic vs mythic (skill gap is closer to equal)
i think for mythic the top logs vs the bottom tier player is a large enough skill gap
dense elbow
problem tho, is that the greyparsing fury warriors are the arms warrior coming to fury thinking it is more braindead than it is
data is scuffed
olive wraith
i think for mythic the top logs vs the bottom tier player is a large enough skil...
These players are more skilled than majority of player base
ember apex
yes but it's not really neccesarily to scrape the bottom of the barrel for data here
broken cairn
So I started using new 4-set and it sims 20K less, is it that bad?
olive wraith
I’d bet they perform better on fury
ember apex
the numbers point to them performing slightly better on arms vs fury
olive wraith
You just said you’re using mythic/heroic data
ember apex
i used mythic data, for heroic what im saying becomes LESS true
so the more u lower the bar
silent burrow
If the margin from best to worst is closer, that means it’s more difficult to excel at it.
ember apex
the more right u are
that's just the opposite interpretation of what im saying
from the same data set
idk how u got there
silent burrow
It’s also true
ember apex
but there it is
ember apex
arms is slightly, marginally easier
olive wraith
According to Carlo, not the best source
ember apex
at least in the logs i looked at
manic gulch
but don carlo has phd in dps
ember apex
from devry
sullen dove
devoker easiest
ember apex
devoker has the lowest APM of like any spec
silent burrow
If doing base damage to r1 is a smaller disparity, that means you have to min-max more to stand out. It’s pretty simple logic.
olive wraith
Apm doesn’t mean difficult
ember apex
no def not
i just personally prefer high APM
thats the only reason i mention it
like i have the most fun when ive got PI or lust
because ur jsut doing more shit
ember apex
compared to other melee only or?
olive wraith
Last I checked it was like 65
modest condor
remember when arms apm was like 40 lol
rustic obsidian
how much of a loss vs a gain is doin Rav before/during charge vs ravager after getting enrage on pull?
spring fox
middle of the pack
That is incomplete though
modest condor
how much of a loss vs a gain is doin Rav before/during charge vs ravager after g...
i mean you're losing a tick of ravager damage
how big that is depends on the pull size i guess, could be as high as 2mil damage
rustic obsidian
ST
spring fox
Last I looked, rogues have more than a single spec
modest condor
could be as low as 30k
rustic obsidian
raid i mean
silent burrow
That graph shows what I was saying earlier about apm going down cause of the IP change though
olive wraith
So 12 apm less but you have to worry about resets
silent burrow
That’s why prot apm so high
olive wraith
Meanwhile fury is pressing 2 buttons
empty mirage
tell me these aint the hardest things to ever drop
spring fox
Meanwhile fury is pressing 2 buttons
Only if you want to think. Ww spam ftw
rustic obsidian
so ST diff between rav no enrage during charge..and waiting with rav to first enrage...is propably meh?
olive wraith
Oh you mean fob arms?
spring fox
tell me these aint the hardest things to ever drop
I'm still mogging Ashkandi 9/10 times
ember apex
the sanctum jaithys models swords are sick
ember apex
lots of non gcd abilities
olive wraith
Ignore pain is off gcd
manic gulch
because they are broken
ember apex
ignore pain no CD
olive wraith
As is shield block
manic gulch
prot tanks through that
silent burrow
Like I said, IP LOL
olive wraith
I think a lot of people also macro ip to stuff
manic gulch
fury should be first
silent burrow
whoa caps lock andy
olive wraith
So you’re getting 2 “action” per click
silent burrow
Does ramp still inflate apm?
spring fox
blizz rework when
Gotta 43% BT buff on alpha. There's your rework lol
silent burrow
Silm prolly knows
sullen basin
Is it joever? do I have to switch spec? 505 arms/503 fury using best simming gear on top gear from what i got
is this a season 2 issue or is this some other mystery spec issue blizzard doesnt understand because no warrior designer?
spring fox
Somehow when you pick of a second giant sword, they turn into melting pool noodles
sullen basin
almost 15% more damage thats
spring fox
It's just science
manic gulch
Gotta 43% BT buff on alpha. There's your rework lol
but didn't they make fury slower in tww
reducing rage generation
olive wraith
That just means more bt/rb
spring fox
Less rage for all specs, but that doesn't mean slower
unreal onyx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1U8SeHq2fTNeneDR6rvjne 300k fury sim, real?
manic gulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1U8SeHq2fTNeneDR6rvjne 300k fury sim, rea...
doesn't even have stacking sf wtf
spring fox
Fury is still most likely gcd locked
Especially now that annihilator has been annihilated 🙏
sullen basin
Are we weaker because we have like 100x the arms healing
manic gulch
spring fox
Not always
olive wraith
99% of the time you were
spring fox
Definitely had times where everything was on CD
olive wraith
Someone did a 5min sim and had like 2 dead gcd
spring fox
1% is still more than the 0% without it
olive wraith
Doesn’t change the fact that anni is still gcd locked
sullen basin
Inb4 DPS loss because costs rage
unreal onyx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/1U8SeHq2fTNeneDR6rvjne 300k fury sim, rea...
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i5Gj9yhbBLxSHXZeQRZc1f almost 303k, fury not dead 
olive wraith
Outside of incredibly rare occurrences
spring fox
If I wanted any available GCDs in a 10 minute period, I wouldn't play fury lol
sullen basin
Arms Sims higher than that at barely over 500 ilvl maybe even higher lower with better statted gear
Why can't the fun spec be the strong spec
manic gulch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i5Gj9yhbBLxSHXZeQRZc1f almost 303k, fury ...
why does it have both weapon enchants
olive wraith
Spamming ww when you run out of rb charges isn’t exactly a great feeling
manic gulch
is this a new strat ?
unreal onyx
idk
manic gulch
i thought stacking x2 wafting was the best
spring fox
Spamming ww when you run out of rb charges isn’t exactly a great feeling
Spinning is fun
unreal onyx
I just had those laying around tbh
unreal onyx
Spamming ww when you run out of rb charges isn’t exactly a great feeling
bring back mbg
spring fox
Slayer letting us spin in our spinning? Winning
sullen basin
Isn't sophic the idiots choice because more main stat can't be bad?
olive wraith
haste is king for fury
Mastery
sullen basin
Im gonna slay too sounds cool unlike lightning stomp guy
sullen basin
I got two wafting
unreal onyx
wafting procs with the S4 4p feels actually impactful imo
sullen basin
Level 2 BC I'm a cheapo
When I notice wafting I sometimes mistake it for being given PI
Feels good
spring fox
Im gonna slay too sounds cool unlike lightning stomp guy
Thunderclapping cheeks made me consider swapping from warrior if slayer hadn't turned out to be cool
unreal onyx
When I notice wafting I sometimes mistake it for being given PI
actually, same
modest condor
so anybody else swimming in leech?
spring fox
You don't have to look into what I say to find things I don't mean to "win" in Discord
modest condor
im at 9.69% (nice) and still have a piece in my bag for catalyst next week
olive wraith
You’re just contradicting yourself though
modest condor
swimming in reddit downvotes
nah bro i know the reddit meta i got those juicy orange arrows pointing upwards
unreal onyx
so anybody else swimming in leech?
I love leech, it's so fun
unreal onyx
but I lost a lot of my leech gear with upgrades
buoyant salmon
modest condor
IM FARMING
i replied to one of the sub-comments to yours as well
unreal onyx
only 7% leech and 7% speed rn
modest condor
and getting downvoted for saying people are capping about cpm
spring fox
so anybody else swimming in leech?
Nah, I always go for avoidance when I can. As I tell my raid leads, I'm allowed to be X% more bad now
modest condor
dude wanna bet half the people in there think the cpm on wcl is real?
unreal onyx
I stack leech bc of hps logs only
modest condor
Nah, I always go for avoidance when I can. As I tell my raid leads, I'm allowed ...
well i dont exactly have a choice what my loot rolls 
onyx sky
Lmao was just handing out downvotes on that reddit thread too (hope you s2 voters feel bad though)
silent burrow
dude wanna bet half the people in there think the cpm on wcl is real?
does ramp still inflate cpm?
buoyant salmon
i even played some prot warrior WHICH IS HIGHER APM and prios haste more
modest condor
does ramp still inflate cpm?
yes, and rb
barren dagger
you didnt play. if you did you would have no hands mate
silent burrow
Thought so
olive wraith
Oh cause the oh hit
modest condor
every rb refund also counts as a cast
silent burrow
lol
olive wraith
Omg hahaha
silent burrow
chatting
olive wraith
Fury broken
modest condor
no rampage just counts 3 times for every actual cast
olive wraith
So arms actually closer apm
modest condor
rampage is technically 3 attacks, a mainhand an offhand and one with both hands
and wcl counts each of them seperately
barren dagger
ppl always go mad looking at cpm but its inflated as fuck
modest condor
yeah
barren dagger
fUrY iS sOOOooooo FaStttt
modest condor
like fury is further behind the top specs than arms is behind fury
buoyant salmon
you didnt play. if you did you would have no hands mate
i guess
that’s why in warlock
im
need low apm for carpal tunnrl
grr
olive wraith
Bring back anni in tww. Clearly it tanks our apm
unreal onyx
bring back mbg in tww
still swift
no rampage no raging blows anni build full 2 minute cd rest afk
royal oxide
olive wraith
The community voted
modest condor
blizzard lied
icy vine
Blizzardo promised we were voting for play style effectively and numbers would be tuned appropriately
olive wraith
Trusting blizz is a risky move
icy vine
Yea.. 
modern shoal
Having a good time on my uncucked ret though
modern shoal
The game seems to just bless my ret more than my warr too
2 fyrrak hc kills for leggo, 15 on warr
fringe flame
karma for rigging the vote
long stone
its the end i got a play Arms or get kickt call from my guild 
modern shoal
*rms
long stone
and ofc i have buy agury trinket already and maxt it 😭
unreal onyx
The community voted
"community"
long stone
you think its still a posiblility blizz will buff fury or its a never happen this season
sullen basin
2 fyrrak hc kills for leggo, 15 on warr
15? It's guaranteed after 14 isn't it
Did you do that many before the buff
modern shoal
15 to guarantee
long stone
its buggt for some, i have 17kills on HC still no leggo
modern shoal
14 embers used makes 15 kill 100%
sullen basin
Id have 10 rn if healers existed
rustic garden
I have s3 Mythic Whitefin Axe and Heroic Gorehowl. Should I buy Ashkandur with my Bullion before Augury?
modern shoal
At least its zerg with s4 gear, been helping out a friend on a healer
thorny cove
is it just me or does it feel really hard to get upgrades to drop from mythic+ rn
ran 15 keys this week so far and have got 1 upgrade 🤣
long stone
ARMS https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dNVm9GutSJNmjA78xKFFHB vs Fury https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rmvVtLcGNZ9xs7QoxMeWmH its not even close i gues idk how much leggo do for fury but idk thats mindblowing
olive wraith
It’s generally better stats for arms
hybrid summit
Anyone ever experienced an issue where Fyra'lath goes on cooldown, but doesn't seem to cast?
unreal onyx
I think I had that happen when my target died during the cast
olive wraith
Plus fury is kinda stacked on sub optimal stats with all the cantrip items
hybrid summit
Anyone ever experienced an issue where Fyra'lath goes on cooldown, but doesn't s...
It happens if I charge and use Fyra'lath immediately during the charge
ashen socket
(Said by guildy) "I'm convinced warriors will never be happy, They could get a wow token for every time they hit whirlwind and they would still complain"
manic gulch
(Said by guildy) "I'm convinced warriors will never be happy, They could get a w...
what class do they play
if its paladin
./spit
manic gulch
also ./spit
forest owl
ah yes, spriest, doing nice up there on damage last time i checked
outer cedar
My fury fail to get tier hahaha I can get next week maybe... or 1 week more
ashen socket
ah yes, spriest, doing nice up there on damage last time i checked <:clueless:10...
They play more than spriest
Just spriest this season
olive wraith
Idk I was pretty happy last season
wraith wharf
i look forward to getting the pity 1% buffs every couple of weeks
olive wraith
“Every couple weeks” lol
wraith wharf
i mean.. hunters last season
forest owl
wait for it 'Rampage damage and critical strike chance increased by 14%'
long stone
i look forward to getting the pity 1% buffs every couple of weeks
hmm blue post has said no mayer buffs in this season after the s4 launch so i dont think fury will see one
olive wraith
Take you’re 2% ramp buff and be happy
fallen ginkgo
waiting for meat cleaver now makes your abilites spread on to 8 targets 
long stone
waiting for meat cleaver now makes your abilites spread on to 8 targets <:xan:10...
and this fixes the noodle single target dmg ?
fallen ginkgo
go big or go home
fallen ginkgo
and this fixes the noodle single target dmg ?
no
im just fcking around dont tkae anything i say seriously 😄
dense elbow
Sigh, here we go again. No our AoE is more than fine, it is our St that is lacking. Now add in that our (4) hits like a wet noodle made out of water - and it feels bad.
All solved by buffing that part of the set
dense elbow
Sort by max logs, makes it more doomer
olive wraith
Make bt hit for %150 damage 3x in a row after casting a relatively short cd
Like let’s say OF
wraith wharf
modest condor
fury warrior nudle
covert blaze
furor krieger
fallen ginkgo
Hosen
dense elbow
OF noodle, tier(4) BT noodle, some ppl like noodles - but others like some flavour with their noodles
olive wraith
Get those noodle mogs on deck
long stone
i like ramen
dense elbow
go play arms
long stone
but ramen is hot so do more dmg
wraith wharf
ima be real, either way i feel like i win. option 1: we get buffs and i deal more damage
Option 2: we don't get buffs - and all the season 2 voters get to shove it
olive wraith
Ramen can also be spicy
long stone
ima be real, either way i feel like i win. option 1: we get buffs and i deal mor...
its not on the voters its on the prommis from bliz
olive wraith
I don’t hate s2 voters
long stone
we will tune meem
queen panther
I hate S2 voters
wraith wharf
your fault for trusting blizz
olive wraith
It’s just they coped thinking blizz would buff
queen panther
Feels terrible pressing enraged regen 💀
olive wraith
But I do s3
covert blaze
It’s just they coped thinking blizz would buff
same happened to boomie
long stone
feels terrible to have 2 big ass weapons and hit like vegetarian
olive wraith
Rip chimkens
zenith siren
guys is it normal other classes doing double aoe damage compared to fury
dense elbow
To be fair, battlechickjens thought blizz would revert a nerf or something along those lines. Not exactly the same as our copium
olive wraith
Depends on pull
dense elbow
^
dapper goblet
long live season 2
olive wraith
Aren’t you playing arms
hard widget
guys is it normal other classes doing double aoe damage compared to fury
There is only few that outdps fury that hard
zenith siren
There is only few that outdps fury that hard
isnt that kinda bad xD
olive wraith
But also depends on pull
long stone
check log you meen all classes xD
queen panther
^
olive wraith
Like is it a bunch of lashers that die in 2 seconds
hard widget
isnt that kinda bad xD
I mean, SP just shts on everyone not just fury
olive wraith
Burst and uncapped is gonna destroy fury
If it’s a semi sustained massive pull like Aa
Fury is target capped
So again uncapped goes hard
queen panther
Imagine if fury warriors weren’t bound by these shackles they have placed on us 💀
hard widget
But its not THAT bad as people make it out to be
chrome plover
But its not THAT bad as people make it out to be
it never is
dense elbow
What is bad in context?
dapper goblet
Aren’t you playing arms
i will be fury after tonight
long stone
the destro should do 700K like the one in my groups xD
zenith siren
halls of infusion or it was neltharus i dont remember. i think im bad xD
dense elbow
Ah, M+ is fine, moving along
long stone
i will be fury after tonight
think twice about this
hard widget
A lot of it comes down to cd useage
dapper goblet
think twice about this
i've had enough of awful arms
rather play fun spec and do no dam
dense elbow
A lot comes to how the tank pulls*
long stone
i can understand this
hard widget
In neltharus you want all ur burst on the chains for example
chrome plover
rather play fun spec and do no dam
emote named for a reason
sullen dove
rather play fun spec and do no dam
🫡
forest owl
the tierset is fine in m+ its the raid that it sucks ass
dense elbow
Wouldnt hurt if it did a bit more omfph in M+ either tho 
Giga BT crits, is all we kinda want - big number on screen, carry ST with help of AM/reck/rav ramp spam - much happy
compact knot
Giga BT crits, is all we kinda want - big number on screen, carry ST with help o...
big number on screen = play arms
dense elbow
Nah
compact knot
sadly fury cannot be more than a mosquito spec
very many tiny attack
arms = very not many, but big attack
olive wraith
S3 was big hits
chilly fractal
still holding strong with the S3 4p
compact knot
how r u at 335k
dense elbow
link sims plx
compact knot
that canot be right
gilded pawn
sadly fury cannot be more than a mosquito spec
Reckless abandon was the way to do this
But ppl didn’t like it
chilly fractal
forest owl
people didnt dislike reckless abandon, they disliked annihilator
outer cedar
I think S3 is good than S2 but vote.. win s2.. I want s3 with neltha trinket
compact knot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jJjri1mxpxGZHDE8LbE4LB
have u tried simming this with season 4 tier?
humble plover
9 ruby cause bolstering is for the birds, didnt feel to bad 1st key as fury
outer cedar
but anyway we get s2...
chilly fractal
yea its a downgrade until I get higher ilvl offpieces
quartz rampart
same gear, my Fury sims 310k, my Arms 343k..........................
gilded pawn
people didnt dislike reckless abandon, they disliked annihilator
ppl didn’t like crushing blow either in the beginning
They want no cd dopamine
If RA+powerful enrage could work then fury would have bigger hits than arms
chilly fractal
also I have limited crests until next week... so... prolly by the end of next week I'll have made the switch to S4 but I'm going out of town so that may not happen until we're back in VoI
warm crow
So tonight I did the unthinkable and gave arms a try for raid. I went up about 60 to 100k dps depending on fights. And then I did a Key. And inwas doing hundreds thousands more dps as arms
It's so sad
dense elbow
You sir, should play arms
chilly fractal
its your calling
wild mica
remove cleave and ill play arms 
chilly fractal
god speed buddy
forest owl
another soldier down 🫡
grizzled shard
realistically do you honestly think fury will get some form of tuning in the near future?
olive wraith
No
zenith siren
Giga BT crits, is all we kinda want - big number on screen, carry ST with help o...
i feel like in s2 this bt with tier set was doing more damage then it was right now. i might be tweaking too
olive wraith
Ye it got more stacks of the dmg buff
modest condor
6-7 stacks vs 3-4 stacks
olive wraith
We’re running with more crit currently
dense elbow
Silm on the case o7
zenith siren
no you're right it did
yeah it was higher on details
dense elbow
Oh shiet, lads, I reached the point where S4 beat S3! I did it!
Beat it with 300 dam!
I am one of the big boys now
forest owl
gamora is the s3 set right?
chilly fractal
and all the crests etc to just win out by 300 dps
broken river
just got my 4 piece
and I fuckin hate the new rotation
going from Anni to this
is anal
frosty scroll
u clearly are a bozo L
clever belfry
broken river
its just so different going from a nice calm rotation in Anni to smashing my face against a keyboard again lol
frosty scroll
Thats what fury is mate
zenith siren
tbh i hated pressing slam but i miss it now
olive wraith
Yessssss let’s push bt more
unreal onyx
the S2 set is so dumb
that we get punished for using a button that interacts with our main defensive
olive wraith
It should have buffed ravager or something
unreal onyx
choose: not die OR do very mediocre dmg
forest owl
how about choose to die and still do mediocre dmg
olive wraith
I mean not dying is a dps increas
dusk dawn
Im really hoping they tune us before we have to make a decision with bullions that doesn't work for both specs
narrow delta
For those complaning about fury doing no dmg
https://www.twitch.tv/critcakeeu/clip/OutstandingDirtyLocustJebaited-TyJEhFzQEAsqEG84?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time
olive wraith
Don’t expect further tuning
unreal onyx
Im really hoping they tune us before we have to make a decision with bullions th...
just loot the gear for both arms and fury
unreal onyx
For those complaning about fury doing no dmg
https://www.twitch.tv/critcakeeu/cl...
that's facts tho
S2 still sucks ass in raid
frosty scroll
For those complaning about fury doing no dmg
https://www.twitch.tv/critcakeeu/cl...
r e a l
broken river
im in raid right now and im losing to a guy on annihilator
maybe it is my rotation n stats though are fucked but idk lol
narrow delta
dusk dawn
Yeah I know is a M+ season but I still enjoy raiding and its turbo trash in there
brittle monolith
dense elbow
For those complaning about fury doing no dmg
https://www.twitch.tv/critcakeeu/cl...
Did you just link M+?
You are lost in the sauce and drowning my friend
obtuse palm
Looking at warcraft logs Fury are dead bottom in Aberrus so no wonder S3 does better
unreal onyx
S3 downgrade in M+ is a lesser downgrade than S2 downgrade in raid
narrow delta
Did you just link M+?
You are lost in the sauce and drowning my friend
Don’t take it too seriously sir
dense elbow
Sir, I am so done with M+ gang vs raid gang at this point. Ya all sound the same, even the meme'sters
broken river
Its a skill issue to the point that im going from one rotation to such a new drastic one
but could also be because my stats are so fucked
unreal onyx
Sir, I am so done with M+ gang vs raid gang at this point. Ya all sound the same...
what else is there to talk about in here then
olive wraith
We lost more st than we gained aoe
dense elbow
OF should get 51% dam baseline buff
Is that really true in M+? I know the profile changed, but we should still be quite strong there
unreal onyx
definetly not stronger than the avg I feel like
dense elbow
Not S3 profile strong, but still far from weak as an autocleaver
brittle monolith
We lost more st than we gained aoe
but thats not a set issue, thats a numbers issue xD
unreal onyx
also the outliers in m+ outshine warrior anyway as usual
dense elbow
Fair enough, but we all aim for high-mid, and we happy here
It is the best we cand o
olive wraith
but thats not a set issue, thats a numbers issue xD
We changed sets and this happened
Wdym
forest owl
its ok, the massive ret playerbase will be there to take our spots in m+
brittle monolith
buoyant salmon
its not a set issue in the sense that the tier set is fundamentally fine
just weak
olive wraith
The tier set does basically nothing
zenith siren
its ok, the massive ret playerbase will be there to take our spots in m+ <:cluel...
me when i do more damage with my no set ret -20 ilvl diff to my warrior
olive wraith
The 2p is the best part
brittle monolith
me when i do more damage with my no set ret -20 ilvl diff to my warrior
skill issue
unreal onyx
me when i do more damage with my no set ret -20 ilvl diff to my warrior
warrior skill issue
olive wraith
Make Of cdr by am
unreal onyx
in my m+ experience with pugs so far I was somewhat able to keep up with rets
(they still beat me 90% of the time)
dense elbow
and assume warrior fuck bad in m+
Come on, we cant really use that argument.
They watch youtuber tier list #93283823 saying warrior is C tier, and we fucked.
Reason in the list: No Heroism or CR >:(
Silly shit, will never change.
That is why we get the stigma
unreal onyx
Come on, we cant really use that argument.
They watch youtuber tier list #9328...
no BL or CR is a old meme by now, but now with shit raid performance even the last casual sees the class as good for literally nothing
dense elbow
ye, but it will always be the "reason" in the casuals mind
unreal onyx
main reason yes
dense elbow
Raid performance doesnt affect it, we rocked that in s3, still we had the stigma
unreal onyx
but for people that actually somewhat understand comps and pros/cons will use the performance as the most significant reason
brittle monolith
casuals yapping
glad coyote
the issue is blizzard listens to these streamers more than themselfs
compact flint
the issue is blizzard listens to these streamers more than themselfs
Facts
unreal onyx
if blizzard listens to streamers they would still buff fury based on their performance rn
glad coyote
doubtful
blizzard also knew that the lego couldn't get upgraded for 2-3 months on ptr
yet still went live with it
compact flint
Asking them to buff warrior is like talking to a dead oak tree.
glad coyote
blizzard is a joke at the moment
dense elbow
I have faith they will fix it
glad coyote
your more faithful than i am
obtuse palm
Asking them to buff warrior is like talking to a dead oak tree.
They've buffed us several times, this xpac too
There's def one coming
dense elbow
There is no way they will allow my S3 and S4 sim basically equal on ST - that is just plain bad tuning from their side
forest owl
it's always the same dooming though, fury bad, people say it wont be tuned, blizzard tune it, the question is how much.
obtuse palm
I mean, we're so low compared to all other classes, even lower than aug
glad coyote
why didnt they tune it on ptr?
unreal onyx
it's always the same dooming though, fury bad, people say it wont be tuned, bliz...
too little, as usual
obtuse palm
we were like top tier last patch lol
olive wraith
I’m pretty sure streamers were asking for aoe buffs last season
glad coyote
fury did really good damage last season in m+
obtuse palm
we were top tier in mythic raid yeah, above/high in M+ high keys
did we play the same game?
glad coyote
garrus what was your IO last season
obtuse palm
we're right to bitch atm
outer cedar
Screaming Black Dragonscale is not good for fury?
compact flint
Nerf...hunters...is all I'm gonna say.
obtuse palm
Screaming Black Dragonscale is not good for fury?
it's average
chilly fractal
Screaming Black Dragonscale is not good for fury?
there's just a million and one things that are better
unreal onyx
fury really was top tier in myth raid, I forgor
obtuse palm
fury did really good damage last season in m+
2900ish
outer cedar
In M+ anvil is good than Screaming Black Dragonscale?
unreal onyx
scale > anvil, both are mid tho
obtuse palm
fury really was top tier in myth raid, I forgor
that had to be early raid. not how it was for the past few months lol
crisp coral
Do blizzard devs just not play the game? Why are they talking about extending our enrage duration by a second as if that's what'll make bloodthirst more useful to us?
unreal onyx
that had to be early raid. not how it was for the past few months lol
did you check the filters
that is Amirdrassil
forest owl
that was damage to bosses and tbf most specs were all fairly close with some outliers
olive wraith
Do blizzard devs just not play the game? Why are they talking about extending ou...
Probably better suited in #1230008383856316437 but bt also got other buffs
obtuse palm
did you check the filters
yeah and yours are wrong Fury is top 5 xD
unreal onyx
so I am getting the wrong numbers displayed?
obtuse palm
just the way it was every week but the first few when I looked at all the logs lol
S4 is bound to get buffed, sub Aug isnt normal, lol
glad coyote
and what are the numbers now?
unreal onyx
and what are the numbers now?
obtuse palm
unreal onyx
obtuse palm
Heroic yesterday 90% percentile
unreal onyx
Heroic yesterday 90% percentile
you posted the 90th
forest owl
are we really spamming pics of how shit or not just as shit fury currently is?
compact flint
Yeah Arms did good in heroic raid I know by experience as we full cleared it Tuesday reset day. Noticed they are very good right now. I could play arms til they do something to fix Fury again.
obtuse palm
are we really spamming pics of how shit or not just as shit fury currently is?
Someone asked what our rankings were this patch. I posted a pic. It bothers you?
olive wraith
I don’t think fury is getting buffs
unreal onyx
same
also posting standings from 2 days into the "new" awakened raid is not a 100% accurate view at the standings
fiery storm
the great thing about not being a mythic raider is that no matter what those rankings say, i can still be top dog. lol
unreal onyx
I think we can accurately gauge the statistics after 1 full rotation
obtuse palm
also posting standings from 2 days into the "new" awakened raid is not a 100% ac...
no, but no other option, and everyone sees our sims being lower in S4 than S3. so yeahj
forest owl
tbh i dont think the stats will be much different for furys standing by reset
unreal onyx
you sim less than s3 with +30 ilvl?
fiery storm
ya tht wasnt the case for me at all
but i also came into this patch with s3 heroic gear
obtuse palm
tbh i dont think the stats will be much different for furys standing by reset
will be a bit higher cuz this tier requires way more haste than previous but still, it's broken
being ~+10 ilvl with new tier and simming the same in ST isn't normal nor desirable for the game
unreal onyx
I sim at 304/305k as Fury in ST and 340k as arms rn
fiery storm
every season theyve buffed the sets that ended up being lower dmg than the previous season
for dragonflight
so well see
obtuse palm
they've only had one fated season, lol
fiery storm
i said dragonflight
upbeat plume
and theres little evidence to think things will be different this time, its the exact same situation with a new expansion being worked on
dense elbow
I sim at 304/305k as Fury in ST and 340k as arms rn
301/302 and 341 here
fiery storm
and theres little evidence to think things will be different this time, its the ...
objection propensity evidence. just because it happened before doesnt mean it will happen now.
wild mica
i just got 4 piece, my fingers arent listening to my brain to not press BT all the time
unreal onyx
I played too little WoW over years to have a opinion, but based on the warrior change history I saw so far I do not have my hopes high
crisp coral
You press BT ever? My issue is that I never want to hit the spell.
upbeat plume
objection propensity evidence. just because it happened before doesnt mean it wi...
if it smells like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then its a ???
unreal onyx
if it smells like a duck, looks like a duck, quacks like a duck then its a ???
🤓 we'll need a DNA analysis for an accurate answer
fiery storm
a duck with different feathers making it an entirely different duck and you cannot use propensity evidence to prove same.
sry lawyer in me isnt allowing it. lol
upbeat plume
its not a different duck dude, its literally IDENTICAL circumstances to sl fated
fiery storm
but its shadowlands not dragonflight so no
ill never agree with u lol convo will go nowhere haha
upbeat plume
sure bud, think wtv you want and use wtv legalize bs you can
olive wraith
We already got a buff for the tier set
unreal onyx
its not a different duck dude, its literally IDENTICAL circumstances to sl fated
wrong, SL fated at least had some twist to it in raids
upbeat plume
and that was the only thing they fixed was the bugged new raid mechaniccs lol
since those arent present
fiery storm
sure bud, think wtv you want and use wtv legalize bs you can
ight and u keep using propensity and if we get buffs i think you should be muted .... all in favor? jk
fiery storm
i know im a pig rolling in shit lol this is what i do all day im just yanking your chain
crisp coral
You won't agree with him because he's wrong. His argument is no different than saying that there was an eclipse this year, so there's 100% going to be another one next year because propensity lol
upbeat plume
lol that is entirely inaccurate but wtv yall do you
crisp coral
Why though? There was one here this year, why wouldn't there be one next year? Every year starting from 2024 has had one so far
fiery storm
i mean his analogy is more on point than your propensity haha
olive wraith
Comparing a scientific observation with how a corporation is run is a take
unreal onyx
blizz can only surprise us in a good way if we all keep our hopes low 
muted star
olive wraith
They haven’t buffed fury since s2
compact flint
Just wait til end of the season we will be top of the charts like season 3 just watch.
dense elbow
I rather be top when we actually play the game
fiery storm
Just wait til end of the season we will be top of the charts like season 3 just ...
its funny cause i quit early saying "fury fucking sucks" looked back like 5 weeks later and was like WHOA wtf lol
crisp coral
it really only matters if you're pushing for the title anyways. And even then you can still get it as fury.
fiery storm
its so beyond hard to get into a raid and m+ right now
soooo hard
mind u im only 490 but still
i shouldnt be having as hard a time
crisp coral
It's nothing to do with our DPS rankings. Rallying cry needs to be a llust.
compact flint
its funny cause i quit early saying "fury fucking sucks" looked back like 5 week...
I was lucky enough to quit season 2 entirely til season 3 launched. Season 1 was meh its whatever. But season 3 I had to say I love it the most than now. Only thing good I see now is the vendors for the gear which should been there since season 1 to help people. Even if they had to remove and update the pages with gear.
keen kindle
It's nothing to do with our DPS rankings. Rallying cry needs to be a llust.
It won't save us lol
mossy fox
mind u im only 490 but still
i think being 490 ilvl right now would make it very difficult to get pug invites
upbeat plume
i mean his analogy is more on point than your propensity haha
we can predict the weather based on trends and patterns in air currents, humidity, temperature, etc so saying when those factors casue rain, and predicting that rain will happen when those circumstances match is more accurate then comparing what Im saying to wild comparison to eclispes
fiery storm
i think being 490 ilvl right now would make it very difficult to get pug invites
yeah? even norms? what do you think is the concerning point?
keen kindle
You could take lust away from evreyone but like shamans and warriors and warriors still wouldn't be taken lol
dense elbow
What is the avg about now, 510-520?
mossy fox
yeah? even norms? what do you think is the concerning point?
just the fact that other applicants will be higher than that
fiery storm
just the fact that other applicants will be higher than that
no no i get it but im saying at what is it what im suggesting: im a decent ilvl but not getting invited
obv 490 is low is what u r saying
so like 500?
510?
crisp coral
when you do someone else's key 9/10 times if you aren't over 2.5k right now you're competing with people that are to get invites.
Do your own key.
dense elbow
510 ish sounds about right - for 10s nowdays, day 1, 490 was more than enough
keen kindle
Other applicants will be higher and have more attrative utility
mossy fox
490 is enough yes, but as long as people with higher ilvl and experience apply, you likely wont be the pick
fiery storm
510 ish sounds about right - for 10s nowdays, day 1, 490 was more than enough
im saying for like normal raids
forest owl
most people i see queuing for keys are in the 500-510 region, usually 8-10s
keen kindle
Lust, CC, exc
dense elbow
im saying for like normal raids
Story is the same, it is more than enough, but you competing with 510 peeps
fiery storm
Story is the same, it is more than enough, but you competing with 510 peeps
ight so get to 500+ min got it
still getting denied, quit till war within
compact flint
most people i see queuing for keys are in the 500-510 region, usually 8-10s
Compared to me who is 502 stuck on 4s and 5s lmao.
dense elbow
When you get to that point, it is prob 520, but ye - ya got it
fiery storm
When you get to that point, it is prob 520, but ye - ya got it
haha
unreal onyx
also from my pug experience so far, did like 80% of the tank players quit?
fiery storm
got a +10 AA rn
when u get that high ppl will actually look at the person submitting the key, lol they wana know if its a carry haha
crisp coral
bolstering is an anti fun week as a tank
unreal onyx
even if I listed it as +8 barely anyone applies
and if people apply it's like 495 1100 io people
dense elbow
I wouldn't call a +10 a high key
See it from a casuals point of view. A lot ppl in here struggle with 4-5 range. So 10 is "high", just not for some of us
crisp coral
You really should ignore item levels. And current season rating is pretty useless right now too
keen kindle
Just require literal perfection from evrey pug
fair star
Just get guildies
keen kindle
if they aren't already max ilvl they are useless
fiery storm
I wouldn't call a +10 a high key
im your avg AOTC player who quits after same + KSM (and a lil more) ...... we consider 20+ (now 10) high. Anything over 15.
keen kindle
im your avg AOTC player who quits after same + KSM (and a lil more) ...... we co...
I'm in the same boat and I consider at least 12s to be high.
But it's literally just opinion at that point.
unreal onyx
if the key can be done within the first week of a season, it is not a high key
fiery storm
with last seasons changes.....17+ not 15 i was using that based on shadowlands/beginning of dragonflight
forest owl
numbers can mean absolutely nothing tbh, i had a ret pally 513 ilvl come into a 10 rlp today and was 110k dps behind myself at 508 ilvl, he couldnt perform but he was invited because of the ilvl
keen kindle
I mean under 300k dps is also p low atm right?
and by low I of course mean total garbage
fiery storm
I mean under 300k dps is also p low atm right?
for overall? if so im in the absolute trash bin atm haha
unreal onyx
I also had a 2200 409 spriest in a +8 AA and they did literally like 200k DPS overall
unreal onyx
but I got their PI
keen kindle
Fucking how
compact flint
I also had a 2200 409 spriest in a +8 AA and they did literally like 200k DPS ov...
Which matches my dps right now with fury warrior 4 set lmao s4
keen kindle
I was like how did they even get invited
fiery storm
I was like how did they even get invited
bingo. i hit 300+ on aoe baby
keen kindle
and this is why overalls aren't actually that important usually
crisp coral
75% of your damage is dependant on your tank.
unreal onyx
I did a +8 BRH today and that was the first time I got over 400k overall (it was 401k)
fair star
75% of your damage is dependant on your tank.
Also that ye
fair star
I did a +8 BRH today and that was the first time I got over 400k overall (it was...
400k as fury thats good
But yeah depends largely on tank
keen kindle
Instructions unclear
if bad damage is done it's the tank fault for not lining up my CDs
fiery storm
nice. ill never see that but nice. lol
unreal onyx
if bad damage is done it's the tank fault for not lining up my CDs
if bad damage it is literally everyone elses fault but yours
remember that
fiery storm
facts
keen kindle
If bad damage, blame the healer
Thou tbh it does feel bad when like
Roar comes off CD and the next pull is like 2 mobs
fair star
if bad damage it is literally everyone elses fault but yours
Well bit of both
I had a guildy great tank
I felt my dmg was good cause he was constantly pulling packs
But not too much to make the group wide
fiery storm
i do really good dps in raid finder KEKW
fair star
And i felt like i could use cds without wasting them for just him to pull really big next pack
keen kindle
Tbh anyone with 2 braincells and okay gear could do really good dps in raid finder
fair star
what I noticed in S4 is that I rip aggro more often than in S3
Be night elf and use meld
unreal onyx
I am nelf
unreal onyx
im no tryhard by any means
fair star
Its pretty good aswell cuz u can take point out of shockwave put it into crit
forest owl
tauren bis, i love making sure the only thing people can see in keys is me swinging 2 massive swords during avatar and enrage
unreal onyx
new tp sword + tauren
fair star
tauren bis, i love making sure the only thing people can see in keys is me swing...
And avatar aswell
Ye im thinking of making tauren
Its simming highest dps aswell
Stomp is good cuz as i said u can take points off shockwave