fury

[marsh kiln]

So that i could be a gigachad when questing

[lofty scroll]

i wish but that means buff the boses and adds. which brings you back to square one

[ashen socket]

Not even

its a fated season

Let people smash the bosses

who cares if they die in a minute

[lofty scroll]

lol

hahha

[marsh kiln]

Yeah +2 30sec kills in dungeons lmao

With s3 gear

I dont remember killing bosses that fast in a +12 in s3

[ashen socket]

In my opinion

the only thing that needs a nerf

is tyran boss health

Absolutely absurd that a boss adds 2 minutes just because of tyran

[marsh kiln]

I mean youll probably waste the same amount of time on aoe

On fort

[ashen socket]

Not even

[marsh kiln]

Theres more packs

Than bosses

[ashen socket]

Yeah? And you can still double pull the same packs on a fort week the same way you double on a tyran week

it will live longer sure

But it still feels way better

If they nerfed boss health and upped the damage that would be fine for tyran

[modest condor]

not sure i agree

the limit on tyran is already how high you can go before you get 1shot

lowering the point doesnt help

[ashen socket]

Ok then we can just lower the health tyran gives

30% is way too much

[unreal onyx]

remove tyran

ez

[ashen socket]

I remember them changing the values on tyran in slands

does anyone remember what they were?

[glad coyote]

ulda 8, timed 2 chest - ret pallly is 515 ilvl im 507

i did die twice on big pulls checking work email

[modest condor]

but did you reflect on the last boss?

[glad coyote]

no

[modest condor]

deflect i guess

[marsh kiln]

Lol

[glad coyote]

he had decent trinkets compared to me

[marsh kiln]

I beat most ppl who are 505-510 and im 497

Theres some competition when i get a huntard or a dh in group

But i hate this tier set, sometimes my ST is just 190-200k in bosses

Other kills i do 330k

[modest condor]

the difference between pug and premade is pretty crazy, in premade i definitely feel undertuned and then i do a pug and i win overall by 100k

[meager void]

yeah, keys fury feels good. I was doing like 400k while benny hilling my rotation (first day back into s2 tier)

[ashen socket]

Really? I do worse in pugs cause most tanks dont know how to pull

[marsh kiln]

I went from 250k overalls to 400k just by swapping tier

And i hate this tier

[ashen socket]

Or atleast

I struggle when playing with a shit tank

[manic gulch]

fury is fine in m+

its st that sucks big time

[glad coyote]

i feel better in premade cause i know the route and know each pull how much is getting pulled

[meager void]

Fury ST on the other hand, feelsbadman.gif

[modest condor]

s2 fury doesnt really care about how the tank pulls tho you just send cooldowns on every pack

[ashen socket]

Right I know that

[marsh kiln]

Yeah i just send it on 2-3targets

[ashen socket]

But it still sucks ass if your tank isnt pulling big

[marsh kiln]

I just save avatar for bigger packs

[modest condor]

also i didnt say i do better in pugs

i just ment that pug dps are like 200x worse than premade dps

[marsh kiln]

Depends

[wild mica]

tyrannical weeks exist?

[ashen socket]

Obv

Pugs are shit

[modest condor]

like ending halls of infusion with 200k dps

[meager void]

was the dps in a comma?

[modest condor]

paladins who never use their freedom on the dragons is funny

[marsh kiln]

Yeah that shit pisses me off lol

[ashen socket]

I hate it when people do s2 dps

[marsh kiln]

50% of keys u get that 1 dude whos sleeping

[ashen socket]

Yeah

[marsh kiln]

And then u compete with the other

[modest condor]

had a run with like 15 deaths

10 of them were 1 player and the rest were because we had a wipe

[marsh kiln]

It pisses me off because time = crests

And i dont have much time

So pls do more dps

[soft orbit]

a bit offtopic but i imported the WA for the crit stacks that in on the pins but its not playing any sound

do i have to enable something on the addon?

[marsh kiln]

I just use a random one without sounds

[ashen socket]

Looking at this is sad

[marsh kiln]

I just placed it near naowhs weakaura pack + leggo cd + bt %

[ashen socket]

Such a good fury fight

[marsh kiln]

I look at the wa most of the time

[ashen socket]

and its still at the bottom

[marsh kiln]

So its in my peripheral always

[late ivy]

is avatar used on cd on m+?

[glad coyote]

thats just raid not even including m+

[late ivy]

or do i wait for ravager and reck

[marsh kiln]

On big packs

[ashen socket]

I know

[marsh kiln]

Best to align with those yeah

[modest condor]

generally just send avatar on cd yes

[ashen socket]

thats specifically sark

[marsh kiln]

If ravager+reck is like 30sec+ cd

U can just send avatar

[late ivy]

ayt

[marsh kiln]

<30sec

I mean

Youll probably rampage enough to get them off cd and still have like 8sec of avatar left

[late ivy]

thx

[marsh kiln]

To align

[olive wraith]

Iirc ravager is closer to 35-40s

[marsh kiln]

Im doing my openers the lazy way lol

Reck+trink+racial -> Charge+flask -> Avatar+Ravager

I just have them macro'ed

[devout totem]

do you guys think fury is undertuned compared to arms

[marsh kiln]

Except for charge and flask

[manic gulch]

yes

[olive wraith]

Why is ravager macro with avatar

[manic gulch]

arms is overtuned

fury is undertuned

[marsh kiln]

My ST is 50k higher in sims

As arms

With fury gear

[devout totem]

😭

[manic gulch]

delete arms, aug and paladin from the game and triple fury damage

[ashen socket]

We wouldnt do any damage

Cause we would die at the start of every pull

[marsh kiln]

Arms is fun, though i only played it in SL and s3 of DF

Ill try s2

Tier

[olive wraith]

arms chose s1

[marsh kiln]

Hmm

[ashen socket]

Yeah sadly arms warriors and prot warriors were the only smart ones when it came to picking their tierset

[marsh kiln]

Oh Thats a sick tier lol

[ashen socket]

"blizz will tune the numbers trust"

[olive wraith]

[marsh kiln]

Did prot choose s1 aswell?

Due to being s tier

[glad coyote]

they knew that the lego couldnt be upgraded on ptr for 3 months and you trust them with tuning?

[modest condor]

why are you shifting the blame away from blizzard?

[olive wraith]

Prot was good in s1 cause tuning

[ashen socket]

No they picked s3

[olive wraith]

Then bears and dh got buffed

[ashen socket]

Dont think their tier in s1 had anything to do with them being s tier

think it was just other tanks not being as good as prot at the time

[olive wraith]

Now dh just does everything

[marsh kiln]

Im gonna run some sims and craft an embellishement for arms

Recraft some more shit for arms stats

And see how it compares to fury

[olive wraith]

I mean it’s better what’s there to compare

[dry talon]

do we go with x2 wafting now ?

[olive wraith]

Probably? Sim to check

[marsh kiln]

2x wafting simmed highest for me 475+

[olive wraith]

I think I remember being double wafting in s2

[marsh kiln]

Sophic/wafting s2

[idle robin]

Question guys, are you casting bloodthirst at 10 stacks or when you reach 100% crit chance on it?

[quiet geyser]

I thought the mastery one was bis for a short period

[modest condor]

100% crit

[olive wraith]

There’s a wa in pins that helps you track

[marsh kiln]

I bought augment rune for 100k

Best 100k i wasted

[idle robin]

Yeah, I got it, was wondering if the 30% bonus damage per stack was worth to ramp all the way to 10 stacks

[olive wraith]

Ya I wouldn’t have bought it s4 lol

[marsh kiln]

Meh

Tww will probably have one too

Thats 250k lol

[dry talon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ncErWttUgG5wwmgQPxXCGF

i add sophic but it doesnt show after sim

or im doing it wrong

[marsh kiln]

They should just lock it behind reputation thats fairly grindy in s1

Of tww

[quiet geyser]

Occasionally its worth getting more than ~4 stacks to maximize a big hit (in spear, or full hurricane). But otherwise you just want the faster CSHB procs

[marsh kiln]

S3 didnt make sense lol

[idle robin]

Cool, thank you!

[olive wraith]

I didn’t mind I was able to make decent gold getting runes from lfg

[marsh kiln]

I still made the gols back by selling the stones

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/K68rd/eca7038b0b.png

[marsh kiln]

Lol

+400k

For 2 stones

Ppl buying up shit from raid drops for lots of gold

[idle robin]

On M+ should we be ever waiting to align avatar CD with reck and ravager? If yes, what's the longest we should wait?

[marsh kiln]

30sec reck/rav cd

U can use avatar then

Youll ramp enough to still have plenty of avatar

[dry talon]

ty

[idle robin]

I meant, should we ever hold on reck/rav waiting for avatar?

When they are up and avatar is still on cd

[marsh kiln]

I just pop it

If its 3+ targets

Or boss

[quiet geyser]

No. Reck gives you avatar anyways

[idle robin]

True

[quiet geyser]

You treat reck/rav similar to OF from last tier; the longer you have it off cd and not using it, the more time you're just eating your dps

Losing out on cdr

[humble plover]

doxxing a famous person hes in valdrakken

[idle robin]

Makes sense

And we can just cast avatar and reck at the same time on openings?

[marsh kiln]

Drop the coords

[quiet geyser]

Correct

[south kayak]

Is that actualy him?

I didn't know he had mythic mount

I think that's him

[humble plover]

its the real man

in the flesh

[idle robin]

Should we track Slaughtering Strikes at all or just use Rampage whenever available?

[humble plover]

no and yes

[quiet geyser]

Rampage whenever available

[idle robin]

I didn't play season 2 so I'm trying to keep up lol

[quiet geyser]

Rampage is the BB/BT of last season 🙂

[idle robin]

It's amazing how this spelling error is STILL there

[marsh kiln]

Slag

[rotund ginkgo]

@devout totem

[marsh kiln]

Indie company

Still early access

[rotund ginkgo]

full ST fight

btw

[devout totem]

LMAO

[rotund ginkgo]

🙂

[marsh kiln]

80k dps above fury

And still both 99

[idle robin]

Does anyone know how much of a DPS gain is picking CS instead of ET and shockwave?

[rotund ginkgo]

we out-dpsed the heal on zaqali

[quiet geyser]

Which tier you using lol

[rotund ginkgo]

4p

new tier

wym

theyre all an ilvl upgrade

[marsh kiln]

What boss is that?

[rotund ginkgo]

kazzara

hc

[marsh kiln]

Lol

[rotund ginkgo]

just did zaqali in 1min so we'll see

[quiet geyser]

A lot of furys still Using s3 tier even with the lower ilvl on st

[marsh kiln]

I died on kazzara because i kicked the ethernet cable off

So my parse got fucked

😦

[rotund ginkgo]

AHHA

[marsh kiln]

Honestly 80k difference and same parse is massive lol

[rotund ginkgo]

that one was zaqal

[marsh kiln]

Yeah guess its arms time

[rotund ginkgo]

now rashok

that fight was like 40sec long btw

[glad coyote]

heroic echo

came in 2nd while arms was 3rd

[meager void]

these heroic or mythic?

[glad coyote]

heroic

[meager void]

@rotund ginkgo

[silk nest]

what are the odds they nerf Season 3 tier set by tues but leave Season 4 untouched?

[glad coyote]

why would they nerf last seasons tier?

[meager void]

the current Furry dps spread for top 25 parses (99) on mythic is about 50k

some furries are gaming more than others, need more time to get more parses in

[rotund ginkgo]

also

my wep is 525

BUT

thats still not an 80k diff

LUL

[marsh kiln]

Im sitting at 63 avg parses on my 485ilvl clear

Not bad

Wondering how ill do next aberrus reset

Should be 520+ by that time

[dapper goblet]

[marsh kiln]

Id solo clear all raids if fury was buffed

[rotund ginkgo]

rashok

[silk nest]

id be in liquid right now too, if i had talent, time, and dedication

[glad coyote]

but yall trust in blizz

where be our tunning?

[marsh kiln]

I actually dont even have my hopes up for tws

Tww

Theyll add something thatll outweigh all the good stuff

And make it somehow the worst expansion lol

[glad coyote]

honestly buff raging blow and BT by like 25%

[quiet geyser]

Tuesday for sure

[glad coyote]

doubt tuesday

[marsh kiln]

Theyll add bullshit like azerite again

And make it super "fun"

[quiet geyser]

This would just make S3 giga busted vs s4 set

[rotund ginkgo]

@devout totem

amalg

you get the point

im 7k dps less than what i shoudl technically have

but i mean

its a 60-80k disparity

LUL

[mental rune]

Least disruptive way to balance is to just increase the bonus bt damage from S4 tier

[rotund ginkgo]

im trial and not getting any of the pog loot D:

[quiet geyser]

Fury could use a base tuning as well. The spec itself is tuned poorly. If they didnt wanna do a full aura buff, giving rampage a decent buff would be nice

[marsh kiln]

Warrior is shit overall anyways

Idk why i main it

But i do

[dapper goblet]

[rotund ginkgo]

is OCE big for us?

2 dropped

[dapper goblet]

its good

[mental rune]

True, but clearly blizz is extremely lazy/reluctant when it comes to making any changes to warrior, so I would settle for tier just being buffed at this point.

[marsh kiln]

Close to bis

[quiet geyser]

Its hard to believe they would actually leave a spec performing worse than aug on logs... but ya, knowing their history with warrior tuning and its a joke tier

[rotund ginkgo]

lul

[rotund ginkgo]

the issue with that is fundamentally on s2 rampage was literally all our dmg

they actually did buff fury in s2

they made rampage do 10% more dmg it hink or smtn like that

or 20%

[quiet geyser]

No they didnt?

Pretty sure the only buff we got in s2 was the weird whirlwind buff and ravager

We asked for more ST damage, they buffed our AoE 😅

[meager void]

can confirm. This was the "buff" we got.

[marsh kiln]

Why cant they just give us more dam than everyone else

Fuck it

Just remove all of our utilities

Give more util to someone else

Its not like we even have utility

[warm crag]

yeah fuck shockwave!!!

[lofty scroll]

haha

[vivid moth]

Poop rally

[clever belfry]

u cant fuck a spell my guy

[warm crag]

bitch

[idle robin]

Do we forget about slam again with this new tier set?

[lofty scroll]

im with you on the frustrations with fury, but guys...it's only been a week. lets pray that they will get buffed.

[fallen field]

Is this legit or is my sim bugging? This is s4 4-set replacing s3 and s4 2-sets

[lofty scroll]

thats a 2 piece right?

[fallen field]

no that'll be 4-piece with 3 hero and 1 champion

[lofty scroll]

try and go back to s3 tier

oh

[rotund ginkgo]

wait

it sims 2p2p higher?

[fallen field]

it's saying that the new 4-piece is worse than the two 2-pieces I had

[rotund ginkgo]

than 4p?

LMAO

[lofty scroll]

theres something off though

[rotund ginkgo]

has to be

[icy vine]

that's comparing with OF?

[fallen field]

I mean raidbots has 3 different onyx crucible items

[hardy cargo]

also old talents

[icy vine]

s4 tier requires AM/rav

[fallen field]

ah true as well

[lofty scroll]

im 498 and im doing around 620k

[fallen field]

I'll fix that see if it does anything

[lofty scroll]

well around there

hold on

[modest condor]

man fury s4 self healing is so bad

[lofty scroll]

im messing with my monitor haha

[livid lake]

Man what the hell

[warm crag]

nerf fury

[livid lake]

It’s impossible to rot on fury I stg

Meanwhile arms is spending 1000 fury a fight on IP to live

[fallen field]

all the talent guides I can find are for s3 🤔 Didn't we use raging blow for s2 tier or was I playing wrong lol

[lofty scroll]

maybe its your talents

[livid lake]

Yeah S4 tier is S2 tier

[lofty scroll]

you want to sim with my talent build?

[fallen field]

yeah please

[lofty scroll]

BgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAQggSCQEEiIJRBSICEOQIJplEJJBJEJJRKBIJSEAAAEQQA

[fallen field]

I don't have lego so I'll be lower

[livid lake]

The wowhead guide is updated for S4

[rotund ginkgo]

@devout totem top of the line

echo of neltharion

LUL

[chrome plover]

fury moment

[lofty scroll]

nice man

[rotund ginkgo]

@chrome plover AHAHAHAHAHHHHAAHAHAH

THATS ACTUALLY HILARIOUs

[mighty hull]

fury moment is strong this season

[frank dawn]

we'll get tuned for sure

[quiet geyser]

My god. This might actually be worse than start of season 1 shadowlands

[dapper goblet]

this is just karma for you guys crying about not getting buffed in amirdrassil..

[lofty scroll]

LOL

[ashen socket]

Nah we are not losing to tanks in dps

[fallen field]

ya it was defo talents lol, still not sure why my dps so low but oh well

[chrome plover]

dw i pad lord topped neltharion

we still got it

[lofty scroll]

i think we were fine. judging the fact that it was aoe

hhmmm

what sockets are you choosing

[chilly fractal]

the duality of Fury

[fallen field]

wdym? I've only got neck sockets atm and they're 2 mastery and crafted gem with mastery

[lofty scroll]

ahh ok

[silk eagle]

Hey guys! Can someone help me with prio stats? 🤔

[lofty scroll]

its the same as s2

[silk eagle]

Haste > Mastery?

[lofty scroll]

for the most part yeah. make sure to sim

[silk eagle]

K ty :D/

[lofty scroll]

yw

[quiet python]

#showtooltip recklessness
/cast recklessness
/use <trinket>
/cast avatar
/cast thunderous roar

i this macro still viable

this season

[young swan]

take out TR

also we dont really have any good on uses that would fit into that macro

[lofty scroll]

yes

[quiet python]

was thinking pot

[young swan]

usually you want to press reck + ava before you charge and for obvious reasons you wouldnt want to roar there

if ur inside a pack, its fine, but still not advised

[quiet python]

okk

does it matter if i macro avatar before reckless in macro?

or doesnt matter

cause i want avatar cd

[upbeat plume]

They fixed that bug I believe

[quiet python]

to show up on bar

[young swan]

reck before ava, they fixed the s2 bug

[upbeat plume]

You can do #showtooltip avatar

[quiet python]

oh okay

what bug btw

[young swan]

duration from avatar wouldnt increase

if you did reck -> ava

[slow flower]

hi. so my friend played his hole life as fury the prev season was like YE LOOSERS I DO DAMAGE and now he cry a lot and he say MY DAMAGE IS LOW or WTF IS THIS NEW SET ITEMS ITS STUPID and ye... he cousing brain damage to us i never played FURY so im here to ask he have skill issue or he right about fury being bad?

[young swan]

fury sucks but hes probably also bad

[upbeat plume]

That paragraph gave me brain damage

[pulsar helm]

hole

[lofty scroll]

he probably doesnt speak english as his 1st language

[slow flower]

ye..im sorry about that

[lofty scroll]

its cool 🙂

[upbeat plume]

No worries meant to be a light jab lol meant no offense

But to answer the question fury is hot garbage in raid atm but there could be skill issues as well as was stated above

[lofty scroll]

its cool man

[upbeat plume]

It's fine in m+ I guess

[lofty scroll]

overall...yeah fury isnt doing too good right now

[upbeat plume]

People blindly trusted blizzards ability to tune which is never good right off the bat lol

People cried cause if you didn't do a simple rotation right you might miss a gcd every 2min lol and here we are

[lofty scroll]

you think its cause their fury president that left? haha

was he the president?

i forgot

[upbeat plume]

You mean yahbara?

[lofty scroll]

i think so

[upbeat plume]

Nah he wouldn't have had much direct input on class design from his positon

[lofty scroll]

ahh ok

[fiery storm]

whoa rele i thought we suppto ava b4 reck

i been ava before reck the entire time

PEPEGA

[young swan]

[fiery storm]

thts so fucking rip lmao

[upbeat plume]

I wonder how many weeks it will take to break the will of the crowd holding out for tuning lol

[fiery storm]

theyll do something

[upbeat plume]

They wont

[young swan]

[upbeat plume]

Not during fated lol

[fiery storm]

ive never seen them do nothing to a bottom dps lol like even if its minor theyll do some shit

[upbeat plume]

I have

During the last fated season in SL

[fiery storm]

ah ya i didnt play that i quit before then lol

[upbeat plume]

There was 0 tuning after the Initial pass before season launch for sl fated I see no reason that will change here they have all relevant resources and personnel on tww

[fiery storm]

wouldnt we want ava popped b4 reck anyway? like doing more dps then adding the crit from reck? or is that the very bug u talkin about

[upbeat plume]

Avatar does no damage inherently and they are both off the gcd so macroed together they happen in the same instant

[manic gulch]

its because they have the warrior dev chained in the basement

can't stand his masculinity

[lofty scroll]

hahah

[fiery storm]

can i do /cast avatar then immediately under /cast recklessness and itll pop same time or is that still a 2 button mash macro

i personally like having my own reck button because it pops more often but a macro would be nice for bosses

[tranquil grail]

is the ruby whelp trinket still good for s4?

[fiery storm]

its toward the bottom of the wowhead list but if u got nothing better go for it/ sim

u can be like me and get the stupid dogard trinket thats not even on the list from your weekly

[tranquil grail]

xD wasnt it weird to sim?

[fiery storm]

im sure it is but the nerdlords have spoke and its at least on the list lol so if u have something not on the list GO FOR IT

[tranquil grail]

oooh ok

[ionic obsidian]

so do we go arms now or what this damage is so bad

[fiery storm]

have fun bro u arent getting paid

[warm crag]

best combo is probs pbox and the nokhud trinket from m+ no

[tranquil grail]

yes go arms less competition for ash

[upbeat plume]

If you care about performance in raid arms is the only real option but some people some don't so if you don't play wtv

[clever path]

Fury is dogshit atm

[tardy lark]

Imagine not getting asscandy to get discount on upgrading leggo

[buoyant salmon]

gg

damnit man i got ratiod on reddit again

[warm crag]

im downvoting you on reddit

[lofty scroll]

carpal tunnel is mainly the wrist not fingers

[fiery storm]

caused by using fingers too tho

[tranquil parcel]

Been playing nothing but fury for 8 years straight. Times er tough 😢

[fiery storm]

esp when blood cir cut from wrist on the keyboard

[lofty scroll]

it can be, yes

[clever path]

Imagine going onto whiney and bitchy 4chan

[fickle bluff]

annihilator is less apm than AM because... it just is okay MuH CArPal TunNEl

[warm crag]

get rolled noob

[solemn plover]

:(

[compact flint]

I dont know if fury is dogshit when top fury in mythic+ does 970k dps and lowest of 565k....

[compact siren]

what does this mean

[worn mauve]

random numbers with no context pog

[warm crag]

i dont know if fury is dogshit when top fury in mythic+ does <random number> dps and lowest of <different random number>

[compact siren]

what is the lore on the numbers

[compact flint]

I can link the video of him doing +16s

[lofty scroll]

haha

[compact flint]

Their warrior name is "Noxiv"

[modest condor]

L + Ratio

[worn mauve]

The +16 I just watched no noxic channel has him below his friends in dps

[compact siren]

real

[warm crag]

nerf fury

get out cherry picked

[worn mauve]

the rogue is 8 ilvls below him btw

[compact siren]

nerf fury

buff arms

real

[worn mauve]

from my own personal experience in M+, fury is doing just fine until god forbid the pack has more than 5 mobs in it

then everyone else is doing 1 mil+dps

while you sit at 600-800k

[iron portal]

Weaklings

[manic gulch]

uncapped aoe goes brr

warrior is the only class that has a 5 targets cap on their aoe btw

every other class has a higher cap

or no cap at all

[dire badge]

just fury actually bozo

[lofty scroll]

wasnt the cap in SL removed for fated?

[manic gulch]

no way that happened

[worn mauve]

no

[manic gulch]

without the cap warrior would do the highest possible dmg in aoe

[drifting barn]

For bladestorm and ww, I think. They used to be 8 target

[lofty scroll]

im too lazy to look hahah oh well

[compact flint]

I am probably the worst fury to ever exist in WoW because i am too stupid to understand the rotations for every season. This is my confession.

[lofty scroll]

its old news

[manic gulch]

i gotchu

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/1155731369952034896/bongofury.gif

here you go

[lofty scroll]

hahah nice

[worn mauve]

the good ol days

I miss season 3 tier

already

[lofty scroll]

s3 right there

[spring fox]

The only cap removal I recall is them changing hard cap to soft cap. So you barely do damage above the cap, but soloing 50 mobs in Molten Core doesn't feel like doo doo

[worn mauve]

damn warriors, they ruined warriors this season with their voting

[manic gulch]

fixed them

[worn mauve]

yeah I love spending 8 rampages to get my bloodthirst to hit as hard as just 1 of the season 3 procs

[spring fox]

This is what happens when you don't vote for Pedro

[manic gulch]

that's a numbers issue

nothing to do with design

[frosty scroll]

is there a way to get flightstones quick besides m+

[manic gulch]

if blizz buffs the numbers we will do damage

[worn mauve]

I have no faith that blizzard will fix it

[glad coyote]

blizzard couldnt even fix lego upgrade with 3 months of knowing

they wont buff us

[spring fox]

Fury will be amazing if Blizzard just buffs our numbers enough. Just look at all of Dragonflight to see ...oh yeah

[olive wraith]

Well you got the “better” gameplay at least

[warm crag]

it is literally fixed

[empty mirage]

is tha valarjar champions greatsword from the trading post glitched rn? cant put illusions on it

[long smelt]

relax they will buff us for sure

12% to 13% rampage dmg and crit

solved

[empty mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-harder-cope-sir-cope-sir-american-psycho-gif-26276799

[spring fox]

Keep in mind that we have a legit patch coming out on Tuesday

The only class changes on it are hunter stable stuff

But patch on Tuesday!

[manic gulch]

just ui changes

[worn mauve]

just hope a blizzard employee got his 4 set this week and simmed himself to see he does less damage with it on, so we get changes

[manic gulch]

blizz having their priorities straight as always

[small scarab]

Overlooking the horrible finger breaking spam rotation, Reduce the max stacks to 5, increase the power gained from em so we can get more bloodthirsts off and more upptime on the bleed.

[minor swift]

Heyyy, very to new to the game, level 70 fury warrior, interested in raiding and mythic plus. Currently going to focus on plus, know new patch came out, how should I build my talent tree? Season 4 or Season 3? What are some things I should research to become a better player/ fury warrior?

[manic gulch]

check wowhead guide

it has all the information you need

[spring fox]

Considering how slow Blizzard has been all expansion to do anything for fury...yeah no lol

[manic gulch]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/warrior/fury/dragonflight-season-4

[long smelt]

s4 for m+ will probably be fine

[olive wraith]

Assuming you have no tier sets follow the talent page in wowhead

[long smelt]

esp with ilvl

but if u wanna raid

s3 or go arms

[manic gulch]

its fated season

[worn mauve]

I still prefer S3 rotation over S2, I never not had a button to push, and odyns fury is rad

[olive wraith]

Wdym by finger breaking spam

[manic gulch]

specs are irrelevant for raids

[olive wraith]

S2 is like 5 apm more if that I think

[olive wraith]

If you’re having dead space with s2 tier something is very wrong

[manic gulch]

s3 was very slow

[worn mauve]

no Im saying people complained S3 had dead space

[spring fox]

Pretty sure it's literally the same pace as any non-annihilator fury build

[manic gulch]

also, annihilator was a mistake

[empty mirage]

no shot youre having time where you cant push anything with s2 set, theres ALWAYS something to mash

[manic gulch]

good thing they finally realized that

[spring fox]

MMO mouse ftw. Everything on the thumb

[worn mauve]

I didnt get my point across im sorry guys!

[empty mirage]

s3 set literally removes an ability lmao

[worn mauve]

and its replaced by slam

[manic gulch]

slam

[worn mauve]

the same thing

[manic gulch]

we arms now

[empty mirage]

slam is useless

[manic gulch]

we became plebs

[empty mirage]

just a shit filler

[hasty path]

Arms doesn’t press slam

[worn mauve]

raging blow is useless

[manic gulch]

that's what s3 did to us

[worn mauve]

its just filler

[long smelt]

lets be real

[empty mirage]

[manic gulch]

get him

[empty mirage]

[manic gulch]

get the heretic

[long smelt]

i blame arms war mains

[olive wraith]

Rb is just a filler

[manic gulch]

its always their fault

they are paladin mains disguised

[long smelt]

i believe they werent happy with s3 fury being btr

[manic gulch]

true warrior mains play fury

[long smelt]

so they voted s2

lol

[empty mirage]

2 swords better than 1 its just math

[spring fox]

I wonder how many people used the "raging blow" macro Arch posted back in S3 lol

[manic gulch]

two big swords too

[compact flint]

I always seem to have raging blow match with rampage during combat or raging blow more used than rampage.

[empty mirage]

onslaught is a filler u use on cd if anything, raging blow is how you build rage for rampage lmao

calling it a filler is a wild play

[worn mauve]

slam is how you build rage for rampage

calling it filler is wild

[barren dagger]

slam is a filler wtf

[manic gulch]

slam is filler

[worn mauve]

im just repeating your words back at you

[barren dagger]

u press it once a minute

[empty mirage]

slam is a filler

slam is literally an oh shit i have absolutely nothing button

[polar needle]

Slam is filler

[spring fox]

Slam does less damage and isn't even thematically fury

[worn mauve]

raging blow is an oh shit I dont have rage for rampage button

[empty mirage]

s4 set i dont even have that shit keybinded

bro

raging blow is like one of the main attacks

[spring fox]

Raging blow is a high priority button

[empty mirage]

it is your second strongest button damn near

[spring fox]

No, that's whirlwind in ST

[worn mauve]

its your ONLY 2nd button

liek what?

[empty mirage]

is not lmao

[worn mauve]

s2 is raging blow-rampage-raging blow-rampage spam

[manic gulch]

its both slam and ww

[empty mirage]

onslaught

and ravager every like 20 sec

and ww

[spring fox]

I'm talking outside of S3 where slam is banished to the GD shadow zone

[worn mauve]

ah yeah, slam is filler but wirlwind is now pog

[spring fox]

Also known as arms

[empty mirage]

whirlwind is used either every 4 attacks or when u got nothin which is rare for s4 set

[olive wraith]

You’re not getting ravager every 20 seconds

[worn mauve]

my point is, stop downplaying season 3 abilities, when the point of season 2 is also just build rage to push rampage

[empty mirage]

am lmao

[worn mauve]

Im being extra to just prove a point

but still

[olive wraith]

You’re not reducing it by 100 seconds

[empty mirage]

spam rampage and it comes up FAST

[olive wraith]

Every 20 seconds

[long smelt]

20 sec is overexaggerating

[empty mirage]

20 may be a bit much but its still fast nonetheless

[atomic yarrow]

are we mad or satisfied with new tierset? feels like a huge damage decrease

[olive wraith]

It’s more like 30-45 seconds

[empty mirage]

its low dam but its fun

[wispy thistle]

@atomic yarrow Just play arms

[long smelt]

ignoring playstyle, dmg is horrible

[atomic yarrow]

already on it but asking

[long smelt]

if u like this playstyle great

[spring fox]

Split on gameplay. No one likes doing the damage of a naked lvl 1 mage

[long smelt]

but if u wanna do dmg

[wispy thistle]

gameplay is a downgrade from s3 imo

[long smelt]

thats another story

[atomic yarrow]

i couldn't care less if damage is shit. it s part of the gameplay

[icy topaz]

season 4 tier set feels like fury spamgod and dmg is fine

[spring fox]

I like hitting more than 2 buttons outside of the tragedy of slam

[long smelt]

i mean sure u dont care about dmg thats fine but how is bad dmg part of gameplay

we are supposed to suck?

[atomic yarrow]

it's okay. he's probably pushing m0 keys right now. needs hard progressing with 510ilvl

then the 480 warlock overdamages you

[olive wraith]

Raging blow is actually pretty low priority. But it’s usually the only thing available to press

Fury does okay in keys

[minor swift]

Ty!

[empty mirage]

if you dont hit raging blow youll barely get rampage up lol

high prio

[olive wraith]

Low prio. Only available button

Sd, os are higher

[empty mirage]

run a key but hit slam instead of raging blow only

[olive wraith]

S2 doesn’t run slam what are you talking about

[empty mirage]

its still somethin you can bind lol

[rotund ginkgo]

does any1 know how to add the gcd to the bt crit tracker?

[olive wraith]

Just because it Beats 1 buttons doesn’t mean it’s high prio

[rotund ginkgo]

so that if i use bt i have the gcd animation

so for example it starts the gcd animation

[shell jackal]

still in S3 4pc

but at least I got the sword

[rotund ginkgo]

poggies

[hardy cargo]

gratz

[empty mirage]

bro i ran that shit last night and 4 ashkandurs dropped

[rotund ginkgo]

we did hc right now 30 man guild

or 25 man idk

0 asscandy

[olive wraith]

Just get good and loot it week 1

[spring fox]

It beats whirlwind and usually bloodthirst. That's nearly half of our buttons 😂

[subtle lagoon]

same

[olive wraith]

Okay so mid prio then

If you really wanna count ww in st

[covert coyote]

It’s filler. Probably the most pressed button of our smooth brain rotation now.

[unreal onyx]

[barren dagger]

gz

[empty mirage]

i still dont have the legendary

[barren dagger]

2 asscandies dropped for us so was an auto loot for me

literally no one needs it

[unreal onyx]

we did hc and nm skip today

and 1 on hc dropped and one on nm

also a hc cloak but I didn't get that

(I also got a hc anvil)

[olive wraith]

Skip when there’s tier gear to loot?

[unreal onyx]

trinkets are giga-ass but the rest is slowly coming together

need crests

[unreal onyx]

everyone has 4p already basically

[subtle lagoon]

I'm getting it next week 🥲

[chilly fractal]

I would’ve gotten given a mythic asscandy last night… if one dropped!

[barren dagger]

how easy is mythic?

hc was a joke

[covert coyote]

I might get my first tier tonight and go straight to 4p

[barren dagger]

we're all like 490 ilvl

[unreal onyx]

propably the same diff as before

[barren dagger]

and facerolled

[covert coyote]

Super undertuned on H

[chilly fractal]

Nelth is a complete faceroll compared to S2 on mythic

No WAs

Easy fight

[unreal onyx]

we are no 20 ppl in S4 bc a lot are sitting out

so no myth for me

bullion gear it is

[barren dagger]

same

[unreal onyx]

I got 535 leggo + 522 ashk now, I think the play is to buy aug for next bullion

[barren dagger]

we just did hc with 16

roster boss

[olive wraith]

I mean what if you get lucky and loot it next week

[marsh kiln]

lol

arms warr outsims fury in ST even with m+ talents

[unreal onyx]

I can't buy it next week anyway, no?

bc I need 2

[covert coyote]

Because fury ST is trash atm

[marsh kiln]

not even that

less spam too

[covert coyote]

Yeah need 2 more resets

[rotund ginkgo]

what is this ass

echo sark loot

echo mythic loot*

i won the roll for shoulders

UWU

mythic shoulders lesgo

[olive wraith]

Ya but next week is amird

[marsh kiln]

now i need to re-remember arms rotation

[olive wraith]

So you might get lucky and not have to buy

[marsh kiln]

ugh

[atomic yarrow]

you were mentionning me but i missed it. i meant the bad damage is part of the gameplay. if my damage suck im not enjoying it. even if the playstyle is good

[unreal onyx]

you think so?

[dapper goblet]

we got 2 daggers 2 mail pants on our sark kill

[marsh kiln]

ahh i can just use sim

to see opener

[unreal onyx]

that can't be, fury fuck good ST

[covert coyote]

Bruh below Aug

Blizzard is asleep at the wheel

[lofty scroll]

yup, you like that hahah

[subtle lagoon]

Lower is better in rank

[covert coyote]

We’re #1

[unreal onyx]

by far

[lofty scroll]

hell yeah hahahah

[unreal onyx]

voti when fury still mostly used the S3 4p

not great, still keeping up at least

[covert coyote]

Probably gonna go arms this season for the first time in a decade

[olive wraith]

Well people were getting tier and higher ilvl

[sour tundra]

just wait till MOP remix then fury blasts

[olive wraith]

While we had to use s3 ilvl for raid

[covert coyote]

Not gonna spam buttons for no dmg like im going downhill in 1st gear

[unreal onyx]

I went to the dark side today too

first time playing arms ever

(I got killed on nelth with debuff and also died on sark bc I am dumb)

(also had like 15s freeze on magmorax)

[wispy dock]

augury kinda fucks good

[ashen socket]

Feels like everyone that voted season 2 went arms

or atleast alot

[long smelt]

pretty much

[wispy dock]

arms is just substantially better atm

[ashen socket]

well yeah

[unreal onyx]

I was a strong S3 believer, don't put me on the same pedestol as those people

[ashen socket]

s2 is ass

[covert coyote]

Just waiting to get my 4p and ima be the target dummies worst enemy

[unreal onyx]

I just don't wanna be that down bad in raid

S2 fuck bad in raid

[covert coyote]

Yeah no shot I voted S2

[long smelt]

like or hate it fury s4 is baddddd

[unreal onyx]

ST Arms is also pretty braindead

[covert coyote]

My brain has at least 1 wrinkle to know that was a dumb choice

[ashen socket]

Its sad because if we went s3 we deffo would have been good

[long smelt]

prolly not great but at least a much btr spot

[unreal onyx]

I don't wanna be #1, just don't wanna be last by a big margin

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-vanish-gif-20470261

Fury rn

[unreal onyx]

if there is no fury tuning in the next 2 weeks i'ma lose it

[subtle lagoon]

Fury is never going to blast because no dev plays it and the actual dev for it has brain rot

[ashen socket]

Start losing it now

[subtle lagoon]

unfortunate

[ashen socket]

aint gonna happen

[wispy dock]

i shall never convert to arms

[ashen socket]

I'll beleive it when I see it

[flat river]

Honestly if i was dev i would've cooked better

[unreal onyx]

I started playing WoW in 2020 with SL and literally only played fury up until now

[ashen socket]

Or unless Archi says stay tuned

[long smelt]

honestly always thought s2 4pc shoulda been more rampage related

not some weird combo of rampage and bt

[woven atlas]

Same, did you Switch already?

[unreal onyx]

S2 set feels so bad

[unreal onyx]

played arms in raid for the first time today

[ashen socket]

Just buff rampage by like

20%

sounds good for me

[woven atlas]

How was ist?

[ashen socket]

if it makes fury broken oh well

[unreal onyx]

that ka-ching haunts my nightmares

[lofty scroll]

agreed

[unreal onyx]

we only raid hc this season, it was pretty chill. Arms ST rotation is like 4 button prio with some dmg amp fillers

[ashen socket]

We would have extreamly strong 5 target cleave but most pulls in m+ go above 5 targets so

classes that aren't capped would still do better

and we would have better st

[unreal onyx]

I got 70-85 parses with pretty much fury gear and no idea what I am actually doing

[ashen socket]

cause when it comes to util we certainly aint dominating

[flat river]

I asked some guy to invite me saraketh kill cause i got curve

He told me "with 33 parses?"

I told him all that matters is spirit

He ignored me

[unreal onyx]

bad player

report

[flat river]

[long smelt]

didnt the devs say somewhere they dont wanna buff st because that will inadvertently buff our aoe too

[flat river]

As arms?

[flat river]

Lmao

[unreal onyx]

yes

[long smelt]

and they worried that will break the game or something

idk i vaguely rmb something like that

[flat river]

We max out at 5 targets

Who gives a shit

[eternal sundial]

arm has this wonderful thing where its base damage is actually not shit anymore

[long smelt]

ya s3 gave us st and it aint like we suddenly the best m+ class

[olive wraith]

It’s the same thing as shadow priest

[flat river]

True

[olive wraith]

S3 tier set bonus didn’t cleave though

[clever escarp]

it didnt cleave

[flat river]

I miss season 3

Odyns pumped though

[clever escarp]

i hate s3

[olive wraith]

We woulda cranked if it cleaves

[flat river]

Real

[long smelt]

exactly they clearly can fix our st without messing the aoe

but they dont

[flat river]

Bro let me cook for fury honestly

Recruit me as dev

Would do a better job

[marsh kiln]

alright so i just tried arms

[hazy tree]

They will just buff us across the board, nerf s3 and leave s4 tier alone

[subtle lagoon]

A child would do a better job

[marsh kiln]

not going back to fury now

consistent aoe dam

big st

[clever escarp]

cool

[flat river]

Cool

[marsh kiln]

ty

im cool

[long smelt]

its cause mike ybarra left

[flat river]

Never said you're cool

[long smelt]

no one looking out for us

[marsh kiln]

arms is cool

means im cool

[flat river]

No

Fury is cool

Arms just deals more dmg rn

[long smelt]

wdym just play s3 till the end

[olive wraith]

Consistency is all fury has this season

[marsh kiln]

nah fury is for generating irl rage because u wont be topping dps meters

hence the name

is fury

[manic gulch]

sounds like a skill issue

[clever escarp]

you are warr you are never doing it

[manic gulch]

[olive wraith]

The real skill issue is not creating a million alts to vote s3

[clever escarp]

no thats a real win cuz fuck s3

[lofty scroll]

wow lol

[olive wraith]

I miss doing damage

[trail glen]

is it normal that S3 set sims higher than S4 set in ST?

[long smelt]

yes

until maybe hero or myth track s4 set

[chrome plover]

im topping meters in raid idk

seems fine

[manic gulch]

the s3 normies did that

and failed

[chrome plover]

[ashen socket]

what boss is that?

[manic gulch]

[chrome plover]

neltharion...

[olive wraith]

What

[ashen socket]

Oh wow what a shocker

[manic gulch]

s3 tier was botted at the end to pass s2

but still lost

[olive wraith]

Lmao no it wasn’t

[manic gulch]

yes it was

[clever escarp]

it was

[olive wraith]

S3 was winning until the last day

[clever escarp]

bullshit

[olive wraith]

It changed when crit made a vid

[long smelt]

there was a huge influx of s2 on the last day

[eternal sundial]

(overall is lower as boss was full immune on 1st add)

[long smelt]

im pretty sure of that

[chrome plover]

[manic gulch]

reinforcements to counter the botting

[ashen socket]

It wasn't botted you could just vote on the post with alts

[olive wraith]

No one botted

[long smelt]

so everyones a bot now?

[eternal sundial]

chawie is playing like one

[olive wraith]

If botting was a thing it would have been s2 bots

[eternal sundial]

not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play? @chrome plover

[olive wraith]

Because the sudden votes for s2

[chrome plover]

D:

i got perma lasers on kazzara mythic man

so cursed

[clever escarp]

s3 cope

[runic acorn]

Is fury even better than arms at M+ rn? Seems like we got shafted by the tier tuning

[olive wraith]

Arms is slightly ahead

[manic gulch]

they are similar currently

[lofty scroll]

arms

[empty mirage]

arms better

[long smelt]

arms is btr

[runic acorn]

wtf blizzard

[olive wraith]

Say what you want but s3 was winning bt a large amount in Na and I think it was only slightly behind in eu

Until last day

[runic acorn]

Because S3 is an easier rotation

[clever escarp]

s2 was winning by mile in EU

[olive wraith]

200 votes?

[clever escarp]

and it wasnt until last day

[olive wraith]

You are remembering an alternate universe friend

[clever escarp]

no thats you

[olive wraith]

The classic no u

[runic acorn]

The total votes cast are laughably small, it's not representative of the playerbase so any discussion about the polls is moot

[manic gulch]

that's a good thing

[ashen socket]

If you thought people were voting on s3 on their alts then you are a bit out of touch. The votes went out and about 500 votes went out per day until the day season 2 got 5000 votes in a short period of time. The reason s3 didn't alt vote is because it didn't need to. It was already winning by a longshot. If people had alt voted on season 3 like people did with season 2 you would 1000% be playing with the s3 tierset right now.

[manic gulch]

when you take into consideration the majority of the playerbase

[stable cove]

phil playing arms say it aint so

[runic acorn]

plenty of good players that didnt vote either

[stable cove]

i said eu was trolling for wanting s2 set day 1 of season and got boo'd out of fury chat

yall some lames switching up on me

[olive wraith]

Nah there were a lot of us that wanted s3

You must’ve been on when majority s2 enjoyers were active

[dense elbow]

should've voted with your alts then

[stable cove]

s2 enjoyers too busy eating glue in middle school to talk with the s3 enjoyers

[runic acorn]

I'm very pro Odyn's fury and anti ravager. That's the only thing I don't like about S2

[ashen socket]

I just still think its funny that people thought they were gonna tune the tierset to be what it needed to be. Especially how often they miss with fury tuning.

[lofty scroll]

hahah

[olive wraith]

So much this

[ashen socket]

Sure fury is playable

you can do all content with fury right now

[manic gulch]

fun gameplay > numbers

[ashen socket]

and its bot preforming

[olive wraith]

“Don’t pick the one that performs better, they’ll tune it”

[ashen socket]

But like I said earlier

everyone that voted s2 has pretty much moved to arms

so you aren't even playing what you voted for

[clever escarp]

i didnt give a damn about tunning s3 gameplay wasnt fun at all and who gives crap about numbers in meme season

[long smelt]

fun gameplay but ppl swapped to arms lmao

[runic acorn]

I truthfully think the S2 votes came mostly from people that didn't want the exact same tier set they were already using in Amirdrassil when the polls dropped.

[lofty scroll]

s2's tier set as of now is still bad. no matter what you say\

[manic gulch]

surely blizz will pull a switcheroo and buff fury and nerf arms

[dense elbow]

Arms doesnt seem to be in need of any nerfs tho?

[olive wraith]

It’s fine if you didn’t like the play style. Fun is subjective. But I enjoyed both so I went with better numbers

[dense elbow]

It is what, high mid?

[long smelt]

like i get being die hard hating s3 u dont like the playstyle sure but dont kid and say numbers dont matter

[manic gulch]

they don't

because warrior sucks

no matter what

[ashen socket]

Being bottom of the damage meter when I am player pretty well isn't what I call fun granted I'm generally not bottom. But when I am its generally because everyone elses class is better

[manic gulch]

so fun is the only true choice

[runic acorn]

Arms is top 5 in most all warcraftlogs stats

[ashen socket]

Could have a flawless run as fury right now

you can have a warlock and spriest

they can both die twice

and they will still gap you

if they are good

[olive wraith]

I mean that’s why people apparently voted s2

Don’t be mad it does low damage, it’s fun to you

[manic gulch]

also , its a meme season because blizz couldn't bother to make more content

[dense elbow]

To be fair, prio fun over DPS makes sense to me

[manic gulch]

and most people are okay with that so that's what we get

[eternal sundial]

Ive been arming since sl sir

[runic acorn]

I personally had fun spamming Bloodthirst rampage until Odyn's fury came up

[lofty scroll]

right lol

[long smelt]

it is a meme season true so cant be too mad but war dont suck lmao arms has historically done well in quite a few patches

[olive wraith]

Ya but then complaining about low damage kinda contradicts that

[manic gulch]

warrior does suck

no utility and no significantly higher dps than every other spec to compensate for the lack of utility

[rigid stirrup]

guys we made it to frontpage of wow sub so surely we get tuned tuesday

[runic acorn]

Putting in a ton of work to be low-mid in damage isn't satisfying when we're used to being able to be at the top, simple stuff

[manic gulch]

but the class is fun so it stays popular anyway

[fluid grove]

But you have two big sticks

[ashen socket]

Link

Make sure it stays there

[manic gulch]

unleash the bots

[ashen socket]

Really though they should have just released all tiersets and let the players pick

just make it where you can't mix

ez

[runic acorn]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1cihs7m/was_the_s4_tier_set_for_warriors_a_troll/

[flat river]

kek

xd

[olive wraith]

Even being mid or slightly above is fun cause when you outperform someone it feels that much better

[lofty scroll]

oh shit here it goes!!!!!!!!!