fury

[young swan]

click the link

[untold heart]

ty

[feral ivy]

i see ppl running it on keys tho 😦

anyone know how to fix this ?

[radiant spruce]

this is ..... nc

[marble schooner]

im always forgetting to press the leggo in ST, anyone got a WA? Im kinda bad at making them myself

[median wadi]

11% DPS loss on raidbot when I only compare S3 489 set and S4 512 set

[modest condor]

sounds like you're using the wrong talents

[sour tundra]

why fury getting beat by every class in keys 😦

[clever path]

bruh, our overall raid ranking went down 13 ranks. If that doesn't tell you this is gonna be a bad season, then I don't know what will

[sour tundra]

what site lists the rankings?

[tame gorge]

nefgver seen a dps LOSS after getting the new tier set

[clever path]

i'm looking at wowhead

[tame gorge]

looks like i'm learnint Arms.

[clever path]

And people say we "voted" for this

[tame gorge]

we were promised that this WOULDN'T happen.

[clever path]

Blizzard is too much of a god damn coward and b*tch to give us any decent buff. Keep in mind, this is AFTER a fricking buff

[median wadi]

Sounds like you haven't simmed anything

S3 was the best we had by far. How did S2 even win the voting?

[willow cradle]

An army of lvl 10 alts was possibly involved

[hazy tree]

Whats going to happen is this. They will buff Fury across the board. 5%-10% or buff several different abilities. THEN they are going to nerf S3 tier bonus without even touching S4 tier bonus

[humble plover]

M asskandy

[lost pasture]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/33#dataset=95

[gilded pawn]

Bros beefed

[chilly fractal]

Asscandy didn’t drop off Heroic or Mythic… try again in 3 week!

[wispy dock]

omg such a fun breakdown

it was

[torpid sand]

[wispy dock]

i saw that haha

isn't he doin like 15's?

[torpid sand]

16 algethar rn

[wispy dock]

unit

i did a few arms keys it was good just not my jam

always been a zug zug

[torpid sand]

i swapped to arms and things feel better now

i got used to it

i just think that the single target is weird

[wispy dock]

i played both jugg and single BS build

[torpid sand]

but maybe it's because my current build is AOE focused

[wispy dock]

nothing wrong with it just never felt like my favorite

[torpid sand]

and not the priority target one

[wispy dock]

double BS?

[torpid sand]

single

[wispy dock]

yea that build is fun

[wispy dock]

and the jugg one

maybe i do another arms key after this uldaman

[torpid sand]

i need WA for arms

and honestly, a better UI would be good too lmao

[marble schooner]

I remember vividly coming here during voting season saying that S2 was ass gameplay wise and nobody seemed to agree

[olive wraith]

S3 is 2 button rotation amiright

[wispy dock]

its just meh

its spammy which is fun at lest

[clever path]

I like variance of S4, sometimes you can even get 2 rampages in a row, which is always fun

[clever path]

just give us a 5-10% damage buff on everything, then at least it'll be in the same bracket chunk

[slate mica]

Any notes around the maintenance with a sneaky fury re work ?!!!!

[sinful spoke]

nice now u can do less dmg than augmentation

💀

[humble plover]

damn right

[edgy widget]

I mean with 518 ilvl he can do w/e he wants tbh

[olive wraith]

Ya. All you have to do is open up talent tree and then press arms

[edgy widget]

literally jump from the bottom of the meter to the top

feels balanced man

[olive wraith]

[edgy widget]

rotation is absolute balls though, especially in MT

[humble plover]

arms or fury?

[edgy widget]

Arms

[olive wraith]

Arms

[gilded pawn]

Arms

[humble plover]

LOL

[gilded pawn]

I feel like arms aoe has been a mess since sl

What was it in bfa

[olive wraith]

Fury doesn’t change anything aoe or st

Just ramp rb

[edgy widget]

Fury is smooth af, the only thing people will ever complain about is it's "too easy" which is usually just a cop out because they don't have any actual complaints

[half cargo]

Cleave, build a ToM, pop blood of the enemy and bladestorm

[humble plover]

just embrace it boys, give in to our new expac dommy mommy

[gilded pawn]

Ok same thing as is now

[edgy widget]

I mean there are a few hiccups, but even S3, the absolute worst thing that could happen is you might skip a single GCD once every minute or so... which doesn't matter cause its fillers were so bad they might as well not be there in the first place

[half cargo]

You’re in charge of like 25% of your dam

Deep wounds was the rest

[gilded pawn]

Ok so bfa was worse

So arms just has been a mess for a long time

[wispy thistle]

For the spell reflect for the last boss in Halls, when should you taunt? boss wont stay targeting me

[spring oar]

Random Q, Is there a macro or cast sequence that would cast Rampage > raging blow similar to S3 macro?

[gilded pawn]

No

[tame yarrow]

Playing the 100% correct rotation in MT

Why does WW have so much morw prio during cs btw? Even with In for the Kill

[wispy dock]

just a standard key with a mage

im gonna start not doing keys w/ mages

[frank dawn]

Mages are like 1 in 10 are good

[wispy dock]

my rule was always no mages and no aug

[frank dawn]

And the other are all completely terrible. There are no mid mages

[wispy dock]

and of course no rag/azralon/QT

[ripe stratus]

Is fury not doing well this tier?

[wraith wharf]

back in wod we had a mage join us.. they proceeded to be at the top of the charts, and brought the other mages up a bit themselves

the tier bonus is a huge downgrade currently, we are on copium hoping for buffs

[ripe stratus]

My poor warrior alt...

Time for me to go arms then.

I hate playing arms.

[hardy cargo]

then just play fury, yeah the numbers arent the best but who cares

just have fun with the game

[edgy widget]

I mean if there's a season to play w/e you want, this is it for sure

[wispy dock]

that trading post sword is comically large

and i equipped 2 of them 🙂

[runic pine]

anyone got the BT WA?

[icy topaz]

Got 4 set yesterday jeez feels good

[runic pine]

nvm

[woven heath]

Getting back into the RB rotation again and was reading the priority. Am I seeing that right that we should be holding Avatar for Recklessness now that we're back to AM?

[clever path]

ideally you should get reck and rav every 40-45 secs, so avatar is up right with it anyway

[woven heath]

Good to know. Thanks.

[hardy cargo]

ye, youll have reck rav like every 30s with full uptime through the cd. easiest way I found is have recklessness and rav on their own buttons then back reck into avatar

[clever path]

if you do have to hold avatar, then yes you should hold for reck/rav

[hardy cargo]

u wanna press them separate for min max purposes

[hardy cargo]

to tack onto this you can also press it a few seconds early to give urself reck to get back reck/rav quicker

[clever path]

you;re saying to hold reck and not send with rav?

[hardy cargo]

no

have a keybind for both reck and rav

then back reck into avatar

bake*

[clever path]

then why not have them both in a macro?

they both get CDR from rampage

[hardy cargo]

sometimes youll want to send only reckrav but maybe not avatar

OH

I see your question

[strong swan]

Reck and rav, after 4 sec press avatar

[clever path]

then reckrav in a macro would work

[hardy cargo]

@clever path I can elaborate if u want

[clever path]

why? the avatar buff is no longer an issue

guys we don't get avatar duration capped anymore you know?

[hardy cargo]

that doesnt matter at all

its about

having more globals in avatar duration when you arent pressing avatar alongside reck and rav

[strong swan]

Dont know, was playing like that because of reck casting avatar for 4 sec

[void ridge]

just have x2 macros, one for Reck/Rav that you will use often due to AM, then another that uses everything including trinket/avatar

[hardy cargo]

they fixed the bug

[strong swan]

Oh, didnt know that

Thank you

[hardy cargo]

for min/max purposes you dont want to macro reck and ravager together. you can if u want but you lose a global of avatar when sending just those two cds

[clever path]

so why wouln't you just press them all together since avatar is off the GCD? you can still get the max avatar buff and maximize GCDs for ravager buff

[void ridge]

I thought as long as you had the cast of avatar first, the proc from reck would extend it

I'll have to test

just tested, and yes that is correct

[hardy cargo]

"when you arent pressing avatar"

[void ridge]

Avatar then Reck in a macro extends the total avatar time

#showtooltip Ravager
/cast Blood Fury
/cast [@player] Ravager
/Cast Avatar
/Cast Recklessness
/USE 14

to plant it all at your feet

get the 6 stacks of hurricane then blow TR

[hardy cargo]

im talking specifically about the avatar duration provided by recklessness. If you macro those two together WHEN AVATAR IS ON COOLDOWN AND YOU ARE NOT PRESSING IT you lose a global in the window provided by reck

[clever path]

so you're saying press rav, then press reck to get an extra avatar buffed GCD?

[hardy cargo]

yes

but, if you dont care about that you can just slam them in a macro. but like I said for minmax purposes you dont want to

[clever path]

Maybe so, but that is in extremely tight window to benefit from, since, reck is off the GCD

[hardy cargo]

yes they fixed the bug

[clever path]

you have to time that perfectly

[void ridge]

oh so using Rav then Reck grants you the 1 GCD due to Rav being on GCD and Reck not, gotcha

[hardy cargo]

not rlly u just press them almost in tandem

[hardy cargo]

^^^^^

[tender cairn]

what in the zug

[hardy cargo]

its very min max and if u want to ignore it you can, but ive been saying its minmax the whole time haha

[void ridge]

one must always look to increase the size of one's zug zug

[clever path]

you'd want to press reck right as your GCD is coming back for perfect minmaxing

[hardy cargo]

yeah its p easy to do with how low the gcd is

[tender cairn]

the game wants me to switch to warlock

begs me even

[void ridge]

as a side note, my main this expac - warrior - so lucky with loot, that my less than 24 hour old priest is more geared than it

[hardy cargo]

[tender cairn]

bis trink from vault, second great trink from literally first m+, sark back and 3 tier pieces from 1 normal

[hardy cargo]

ive been gearing my priest to no avail, though I did just loot a fragment from hoi

[void ridge]

nothing my warrior drops or I win rolls on, everything my priest wants, just lands in his bags, its great

[clever path]

i do wonder how that much that would change, 20% on one ability per reck. maybe at most 5k dps?

[void ridge]

game is telling me something for sure

would depend what you are hitting with that 1 gcd

[tender cairn]

ikr?

[void ridge]

max stack BT? pretty big to have that buffed

and extra WW? bugger all

[tender cairn]

my warlock is loaded now compared to warr

[clever path]

you'd want a beefy rav buffed more though, wouldn't you?

or maybe get one at the start and at the end

[void ridge]

warrior at 502, priest is 510 already lel

[hardy cargo]

it is buffed

ravager has a delay

[tender cairn]

I should main warlock, then the game should shower my alt warrior with loot

[void ridge]

lmao, this is the way

[clever path]

it's like 3 secs for max rav buff isn't it?

[hardy cargo]

I think so yeah

[void ridge]

0.8 secs per stack, 6 stacks

[hardy cargo]

unless its hasted or smth

[clever path]

i think it is

[hardy cargo]

ill check

[clever path]

same

[void ridge]

just grab a WA to notify you if you want to min/max hurricane dmg window

[clever path]

i've got some insane haste rn, like 46%, sims are telling for aoe

[void ridge]

yea, feels so nice to be going more haste again

[clever path]

0.7 secs at 44%

[hardy cargo]

it do be hasted

[void ridge]

oh yep, 0.8 @ 38%

[hardy cargo]

so 4.2s

[void ridge]

just track it with a WA ezpz

or bust out your stop watch and remember to hit go whenever you press Rav kek

[clever path]

also rav itself is hasted too

[hardy cargo]

but hasted backwards

lowers duration instead of giving more ticks

[clever path]

yeah, kinda whack

haste is still good cause more GCDs in rav buff/avatar/reck

[edgy widget]

compressed - making it burstier

better for dealing more damage during short buff windows like Spear, somewhat worse for overcapping rage though

[hardy cargo]

delete spear give bote

[nocturne dragon]

Technically speaking compressev rav might be good aside from the overcap rage, at least it finish faster, who knows if the adds move or boss moves.

[solar willow]

anyone have time to help me with rotation and my build?

raidbots is telling me im suppose to be pulling 170k and im doing 150 140 so im in need of some help thaks!

thanks!

[hardy cargo]

where are u testing this

[edgy widget]

compressing it also allows it to fit entirely inside the Avatar buff window you get from Reck

whereas at 12s it would not fit

[tender cairn]

at least ur only 20k~ behind ur sims

im about 60k behind

time to wrap it up

[hardy cargo]

I assume testing hes doing doesnt include full raid buffs while the sim does

[tender cairn]

nah man

trying to get raid sim dps on a dummy is the play

[queen panther]

why does new set just feel like..... no damage

[lone locust]

Is something ain't working with the tier set, I still pull more dps with the old tier set at 489 then the new with 512... Overall dmg in dung are very simular I would imagine doing hell lot more dmg cause of higher ilvl

[queen panther]

^

[hardy cargo]

its just very poorly tuned

[queen panther]

Or is it still basing numbers from season 2?

cuz I swear, It's hitting just as hard as it was during season 2

[rotund ginkgo]

Yeah my bloodthirsts are deadge lol

I literally bt for like 200k lmao

[queen panther]

^

And I was hitting 200k bts in season 2

with lower item lvl....

[rotund ginkgo]

Same even more

People had 300k bts as well

[queen panther]

exactly

[rotund ginkgo]

Maybe it's actually bugged who knows

[queen panther]

well hopefully do something soon cuz it's a sad time out here

[young swan]

its not bugged, they just buffed the stacking crit chance so as a result u press BT at lower tier stacks

resulting in lower damage bt

[nocturne dragon]

wait isn't the stack only for crit chance? I thought the bonus damage is flat or stacking too?

[hardy cargo]

its crit chance and damage

[queen panther]

So we have to get even more stack now for it to do damage

Is what I’m hearing

[hardy cargo]

but since u want to send it as soon as it is guaranteed to crit you lose "damage"

[queen panther]

💀

[hardy cargo]

stacking tier beyond 100% bt crit % loses a lot of value on the stack

[queen panther]

No matter how u look at it just seems like a lose

[flat river]

what is drop-off point for haste on fury

and mastery

[clever path]

you're gonna have to sim it, cause so many things factor into stats rn

[tender cairn]

the way I understand u get same dmg bt

but more often than in s2

🤔

[clever path]

like I'm 44% haste and >60% mastery with aoe sims, which seems mind bongling

[young swan]

bros mind got bongled

[lone locust]

44%haste seems way to much 😮

[clever path]

it's what sims were saying, at least with the gear i have rn

[nocturne dragon]

So basically we are in a lot of dillema right?

[hardy cargo]

[tender cairn]

haste jumpscare

[clever path]

that is fresh boosted character unless you can prove otherwise

[tender cairn]

close enough

s2 well geared character

so basically greens in s4

[queen panther]

We’re actually doing less bt damage just using it more often

[clever path]

only b/c it's bt and not BB

cause you'd get around 6 stacks, which is 180% boosted BT

[queen panther]

I was hitting harder BTs in season 2 just took longer to stack it 😅

200-300k bts season 2 to 180-200k bts this season

[clever path]

plus we were using 3 boosted BBs every 20-25 secs in S3, so i think the boosted BTs/BBs are around the same

[queen panther]

I’m talking about season 2 and this season

[clever path]

ain't no way in hell you hit harder S2 BTs than rn

[queen panther]

I’m 100% sure I am.

[clever path]

this is literally not possible, we have the same damn tier set as back, not to mention it's buffed from back them and around 60-80 ilvl difference

unless you were maxing out at 10 BT stacks, no way in hell

[tender cairn]

I'd add to the convo

if I had the damn set

[clever path]

This is a troll 100%

[tender cairn]

not a single tpiece week 2

[queen panther]

Back in season 2 the crit chance was lower. So the stacks were higher for BT. This season the crit chance is higher so the stacks are lower

[tender cairn]

(minus using both catalysts)

[queen panther]

Lower stacks, less damage to BT

[tender cairn]

tbf maybe u have too much crit

[clever path]

maybe as a percentage wise, but you also have a higher damage boost

[tender cairn]

🤔

[clever path]

you would never go above 7 stacks in S2, which is 175%

meanwhile we get 6 stacks in S4 and 180%

[flat river]

im 5899 (40%) haste and 5394 (53%) mastery

[clever path]

what are the runes on that?

[flat river]

wafting devotion

hissing rune

[outer cedar]

In this season I have 489 s3 set but change s4 raidfinder set is good than keep s3 when I have heroic 4 set? I want know about that

[nocturne dragon]

Well less stack during reck window. Maybe 4 stack during reck window.

[clever path]

5 stacks without lust

i can just get 6 stacks with a lust

[nocturne dragon]

What lust have to do again with the stack?

[chrome plover]

nothing

[tender cairn]

more lust makes u pay less attention

oh u mean bloodlust nvm

[clever path]

lust mean more haste, more haste means lower GCD

[flat river]

lower GCD means more dmg

more dmg means more pump

more pump means dopamine

dopamine means

[noble frost]

hi em sorry to ask another questions i suppose you peeps keep getting
do i send a bloodrage ONLY at 10 stacks
or whenever im assured a crit? s4 set bonus thing

[flat river]

assured crit

get the WA in the pins

[noble frost]

ah yeap i got its

big thanks

[flat river]

it will give u KA-CHING sound when u need to press it

np

[noble frost]

and on rotations, the priority is just rampage to get set charges right? everything else dont matter just cast as many rampage as possible?

[wraith wharf]

i think the correct number was 95%+ chance.. just use the weak aura

[flat river]

yeah

[noble frost]

im left with ALOOOOOOT of buttons to press from onslaught to roar to raging blows etc etc but all of them dont matter compared to rampage for set aye?

yea thats gonna need alot of getting used to but aye big thanks

[flat river]

BS set piece proc > Onslaught > Rampage > RB

i think

and WW in MT

ofc

[noble frost]

ofc ofc

but onslaught even if rage is like 80-90?

in engage ofc

enrage*

[chrome plover]

enrage (with rampage/onslaught) > rampage > 95% crit BT > onslaught > execute > raging blow > bt > whirlwind

[flat river]

onslaught gives 3 stacks of slaughtering strikes

which is big

[chrome plover]

do not worry about slaughtering strikes stacks

no it's not

[flat river]

i've been mis-informed then

[chrome plover]

you should be sending rampage asap every time

[fading knot]

Played s3 on week 1 felt like a god.
Changed weapon got +7ilvl and changed to 4p of s4.
Feels like shit.

[flat river]

skill issue

go play arms

[noble frost]

yea

[fallen ginkgo]

[wraith wharf]

well that and the season 4 set bonuss currently sucks

[chrome plover]

who told you to care about slaughtering strike stacks

becuase they were surely trolling

[flat river]

idk

but he wasn't cooking

[wraith wharf]

he might of been cooking. . . meth

[chrome plover]

my ST feels exactly the same and my aoe feels better

it should obviously feel much better with the ilvl increase but it's tuned really poorly

but because of the ilvl increase it shouldnt feel straight up worse

[fallen ginkgo]

Anyone else extrem haste rn?

[visual breach]

just did first dungeon in the new (old) tier/spec... feels lackluster, like i press twice as many buttons for minimal increase in damage

[flat river]

?

im pumping mythic+

[visual breach]

not saying that im not, just that the old spec/tier was much more satisfying

[chrome plover]

ehh the s3 set felt cringe in keys to me

aside from damage clearly being undertuned, it feels way better

(imo)

[flat river]

womp womp

[calm mantle]

I'm so inconsistent, go frm doing 263k in a ruby 9 to 333k in a ruby 7

Tho the ruby 7 we had a priest so would that pi make up 70k dps?

[covert blaze]

were the other 2 dps worse in the 7?

compared to the other 2 dps in the 9

[calm mantle]

Better

[oblique trail]

You could've also played better, your group could've killed things faster, the route was better

[calm mantle]

Tho I totally got beaten in dps on first boss by the tank, shame on me.

[fleet parrot]

Probably bigger pulls on the lower key too

[calm mantle]

Nevermind it was add pad, It's okay.

[calm mantle]

Probably this or just less deaths maybe.

[chrome plover]

keys vary so much based on how clean it is and how fast shit dies and what pulls the tank does

[calm mantle]

I jsut feel like most of the time I ape on new tier set.

I'm usually < 300k dps at 510

[final birch]

And what comp u have too

Thats why I say that raw overalls are whatever xd its nice if theyre big but if theyre lower it doesnt really say that you played worse

[flat river]

what are ur stats

[tender cairn]

imagine doing more than 100k

[chrome plover]

just practice

[chrome plover]

stats wont matter that much

[sullen basin]

Zamn that's a lotta mastery, with weapon buffs?

[random magnet]

why does new tier set opener want us to pop ravager > champions spear? not the other way around? running in game tests looks to have the other way round give more dmg?

[chrome plover]

initial pop of spear does a decent chunk of damage, you want all your buffs up before you slam it

[calm mantle]

2 hissing runes yeah.

[sullen basin]

Probably to make initial spear damage hit harder and give you time to get the bonus strength for other buffs between the gcds before you pop off

[chrome plover]

there is no reason to pop spear before ravager, crit damage on the first 1-2 ticks of ravager is negligible in comparison

[calm mantle]

Irideus fragment or blazebinder hoof? Don't have either yet just wondering which one to target farm. I don't like how hoof doesn't line up with avatar.

[chrome plover]

I dropped a hoof yesterday and it sims like hot garbage

irideus fragment is also pretty bad though

[calm mantle]

I just don't know what to replace my 483 might with. I'm still using might.

[chrome plover]

I dont think you should target farm either

[random magnet]

is it even worth bothering with enrage before ravager then? or is it ravager before enrage so spear has the bonus str?

[mossy fox]

pbox and trampling hooves are usually the trinkets you want from keys

[chrome plover]

puzzle box and hooves if ur gunning for an m+ trinket

ok

[tender cairn]

get vial

[junior tiger]

did they silently buff us over the night or was the grp worse than I usually am? 🤔

[mossy fox]

chawie so smart

[tender cairn]

[chrome plover]

[calm mantle]

I outright refuse to use puzzle box because I hate the cast

Just rubs me the wrong way

[tender cairn]

casting on warr

[mossy fox]

another solid option is sandglass from m0 hardmode doti

[tender cairn]

🤢

[calm mantle]

Thank you, I'll aim for this.

[chrome plover]

I use some centaur world quest trinket rn

[mossy fox]

you get hero track in hardmode

[chrome plover]

and pbox

[sullen basin]

Does caffeine make S2 easier to play because it's like 2-3 more buttons than last season

[summer quail]

it's not more buttons tho

[tender cairn]

as someone who skipped s3, nothing frickin changed

[mossy fox]

you guys play without caffeine?

[sullen basin]

As someone who skipped season 2, everything changed

[mossy fox]

caffeine sims pretty good

[chrome plover]

I react horribly to caffeine outside of a morning coffee

[sullen basin]

I gotta cut caffeine been giving me headaches tolerance got too high

[calm mantle]

I just wish they made puzzle box instant D: warriors aren't even smart enough to solve a puzzle box. Maybe thats why we need the 1.4 second cast.

[tender cairn]

even ashkandur still not dropping didnt change

[sullen basin]

Buy it

[tender cairn]

cant

[sullen basin]

Literally just wait 2 weeks

[tender cairn]

no soup left

[sullen basin]

Maybe 3 to try again

[summer quail]

better things to buy, assuming they have leggo

[sullen basin]

My gf got eranog ring hero with socket meanwhile I get tier hands with speed at least I got 4set
I bought btw, no legendary

[tender cairn]

do not

[sullen basin]

Too late
I bought

[tender cairn]

leggo smells

[sullen basin]

515 already

[tender cairn]

I meant to answer mutou

[sullen basin]

If I had legendary I'd probably buy the token too yeah

[chrome plover]

can you still not socket the bought awakened items?

[sullen basin]

Maybe in next two weeks I get it I've got like 40-50% chance drop with token bonuses or something

Idk

[chrome plover]

I'm thinking of taking 2 sockets from my vault

not sure what to socket

[tender cairn]

got augury

simmed like 2x more than ash

[chrome plover]

what is your current weapon?

augury is a huge buy anyways

[tender cairn]

some dragon hammer

[chrome plover]

will defo be buying that with my next two (because i likely dont get it next week)

[chrome plover]

ok i meant ilvl..

[tender cairn]

qalashi crusher

oh lol

502

im just a wee lad

[chrome plover]

did you sim ash/augury at max ilvl?

[silver mantle]

You guys have weapons,?

[sullen basin]

One week no caffeine is enough to make it sim higher than aug right?

[silver mantle]

Geezus

[tender cairn]

I simmed relative to my current gear tbf

think it was like 480 augury vs 502 ash

[chrome plover]

well ofc the ash didnt sim much higher if you simmed it at 502...

weapon ilvl is massive

[tender cairn]

it dont matter

[sullen basin]

Do we get discount if we switch to arms and upgrade our other weapons

[chrome plover]

fury already gets the discount

[sullen basin]

Giga

[chrome plover]

2nd weapon doesnt cost crests and costs less flightstones

(up to the ilvl of the highest one you have at least)

[sullen basin]

If SMF was viable that bug would be fixed

[chrome plover]

it's not a bug

[sullen basin]

It is

Highest two hander determines ilvl on its own

[chrome plover]

well no because then everybody would just swap to arms and upgrade it for free

it's clearly intended to work like that

[sullen basin]

No I mean it's a bug that it works this way

Use two 1handers and the ilvl is the average

Use a 500+ main 2h and a shit stick offhand and the ilvl won't go down

[chrome plover]

oh right I thought you were still talking about upgrades

[sullen basin]

Pretty sure discount doesn't apply to offhand onehanders

[oblique trail]

Sure but its still not a bug

[proud vessel]

What is our stat priority for m+?

[sullen basin]

More stats

[chrome plover]

the ilvl displaying wrong might be a bug but that isnt why you get discounted upgrades

those things arent related

[mossy fox]

i'm channeling my inner rat and selfcontrol to not upgrade my legendary until after we kill echo today

i want that 528 ashkandur discount for my leggo

[chrome plover]

my inner rat got squished when I upgraded legendary before hotfix and wasted a bunch of crests

[mossy fox]

gg

[chrome plover]

(With a 515 2h)

[sullen basin]

coulda sword thats how it worked

[chrome plover]

we’re 535 fyralath and 6/6 hero offhand now

and not looking back

[sullen basin]

huge

[chrome plover]

s3 set vendored

[flat river]

[flat river]

critcake which spec are u playing

[chrome plover]

im not even capped on crests tbf so it's fine

I dont do that many keys

casual gamer this tier

[flat river]

my stats as an arms warrior

[mossy fox]

arms is superior damage wise atm so will end as arms

but playing both for now while i can for fun

[flat river]

ok but like

that doesn't answer my question

which do u main

[mossy fox]

i main dps warrior

[oblique trail]

Crit has no loyalties

[flat river]

[oblique trail]

He tries to hide it, but he was a mager player once

And a warlock player

[mossy fox]

that wasnt me

it was some upset dude

[tardy lark]

I never played yellow either

[flat river]

idk man, i WANT to play fury but my dps in raid is dookie

[tardy lark]

yellowgaard did not exist

play whatever man its a meme season anyway

[chrome plover]

play fury then

who tf cares

[flat river]

[chrome plover]

are you 100 world rank

in raid

i dont think so

[flat river]

yes

[chrome plover]

so chill

[chrome plover]

i dont believe you sorry

[flat river]

100 world rank in raid cooking

[chrome plover]

yea ok

[tender cairn]

im top 1

in floor hugging

[flat river]

im patient 0

[tender cairn]

aberrus floor kinda nice and warm

[oblique trail]

AagaardNikes 🔥

begs to differ

[flat river]

u know whats also nice and warm?

my love for you

[tender cairn]

😳

wait no get away from me

[flat river]

i don't play solo though

or ranked

[tender cairn]

im jkjk

[flat river]

i play for shit's and gigs with friends

:D

[chrome plover]

thank god i have that turned off

[flat river]

lol

[chrome plover]

(i dont play dota 2 to be fair)

[flat river]

sus

he plays league

confirmed

[tender cairn]

how do u even turn it on

[flat river]

idk

it was always on for me

[tender cairn]

or does it come with actvity

[chrome plover]

actually i havent played in 8 days

so i'd be safe

[flat river]

you know what is on?

[flat river]

my love for you

[chrome plover]

no wonder I havent actually

[flat river]

forever

[chrome plover]

[tender cairn]

[tender cairn]

poor choice im afraid

[flat river]

wait no fucking way

u were in my raid

[tender cairn]

lmao

[teal sable]

Is Zaralak Cavern event bugged?

[flat river]

yesterday

[tender cairn]

wait wut

[flat river]

we were doing amalgamation

[chrome plover]

dont think so, i did it yesterday

[tender cairn]

normal?

[flat river]

heroic

[tender cairn]

then prolly not me

[flat river]

f

[tender cairn]

hc we did as g

only pugged normal

[flat river]

then who was it

i tilted him so hard he left

xD

[tender cairn]

lol

defo not me

its pretty hard to tilt me

seeing me compete with tank in dps makes me immune to everything

cannot faze me

for I am already gone

fr tho did smth massively change in our prio comapred to s2

[chrome plover]

no

I think it's the exact same as s2

[flat river]

me, we won i carry diff'd

[chrome plover]

my game was uncarriable but it's just normals with friends who cares

just been playing wow and valheim

[flat river]

mine was normal too

[flat river]

real gamer

been playing WoW and apex

lost a heroic tier token to a 100 roll

i rolled a 99

ffs

[lapis dirge]

does anyone know why my last season rio score doesnt show on my ingame profile?

[tender cairn]

guess I just got worse

[mossy fox]

p sure you need the raider io addon and also use the raiderio client to load rio data into your addon

[south kayak]

is axe scaling higher this tier

[chrome plover]

what does that mean

[south kayak]

i don't know

Gonna have to do a few 6+ keys for aspect crests to upgrade

[chrome plover]

spamming 8 feels pretty comfy

i get into groups super easily and they're pretty easy

[south kayak]

dont have enoguh rating for that

[chrome plover]

im only 1900

[flat river]

is there any reason to use leggo on-use

[chrome plover]

yeah?

[south kayak]

1400

[flat river]

when?

[chrome plover]

whenever it's safe to do so and you arent in cds

[flat river]

kk

but im always in cds

o-o

[chrome plover]

ok

[lapis dirge]

Thanks alot , had to relogg in with the radierio client and update it to fix it 🙂

[south kayak]

how much is 535 leggo simming for you

crit

[mossy fox]

i havent actually simmed 535 leggo as fury yet

[fresh creek]

did augury get nerfed or somethingf?

[south kayak]

NOW

[radiant spruce]

fuck off this s4 .. which idiot voted for the tset stuff ...

[south kayak]

No

[mossy fox]

me

[fresh creek]

on sims for dungouns its rly low

[south kayak]

a lot of idiots

crit is an idiot now

[radiant spruce]

makes fun without 4pc and 0 ini invites

[mossy fox]

damn my overall damage number was almost perfect funny number

[south kayak]

how's fury in M+ rn?

[radiant spruce]

bad

[mossy fox]

i dont think thats a fury 4p issue

[south kayak]

i wonder if arms that much better than it

[south kayak]

that's a skill issue

[radiant spruce]

na its not

u cant get the same numbers with 2pc and 4pc

[south kayak]

what do you mean

[radiant spruce]

damage numbers

and even 0 dungeon invites after 45 mins .. i que as arms and would switch but no one invites -.-

[mossy fox]

the gap in m+ for arms vs fury definitely isnt anywhere near as it is in raid

[flat river]

yeah

fury BiS

[mossy fox]

well is that a fury problem then

nobody gets invites unless your io and ilvl looks good

[radiant spruce]

half / half

[ivory crow]

I voted for s3 in the polling options and now I really wish it had won. I loved s2 ... but man s4 feels bad xD

[radiant spruce]

how do u get io when u dont get invites ?

[chrome plover]

it's a dps player problem

not a fury problem

[mossy fox]

there are dozens of people looking better than you in the lfg tool, hate to break it to you

[fresh creek]

make your oown keys

[chrome plover]

u list an 8-10 and you get 100 dps sign ups per tank

why would they pick you

[radiant spruce]

ofc they dont

its normal

[chrome plover]

yeah but it's not because fury is bad

[mossy fox]

you get ahead of the curve early, make your own keys or play with a premade group

[chrome plover]

I sim like 20k more than I did with a 496 lego I think

[mossy fox]

i love how people make s2/s4 the root of every problem

[chrome plover]

but I made some other upgrades too

didnt sim it directly

[chrome plover]

and it's all CRITCAKE'S FAULT

[mossy fox]

like shit i spilled my coffee, fucking s4 fury sucks dude

[final birch]

Fyi nobody cares about warrior specs

Arms or fury

Its not like mage whether its either fire or get out

[lost saffron]

You always look handsome

[mossy fox]

Uh

😳

[south kayak]

[lost saffron]

Legendary upgraded

[mossy fox]

perma flightstone cap life here

[flat river]

how many crests do u get per key

[south kayak]

not quite

[flat river]

12 timed?

[mossy fox]

ye

[flat river]

untimed?

[south kayak]

I need 45 aspect crests

[mossy fox]

5?

[south kayak]

so about 5 keys

[oblique trail]

5 from untimed

[flat river]

i need 90

[south kayak]

F

[flat river]

i calculated it

i need 8 dungeons timed

6+

[mossy fox]

i was unsure cause i never deplete

[flat river]

or higher

[oblique trail]

I will go buy coffee and spill it just to blame Fury

[south kayak]

[oblique trail]

Clueless

[flat river]

do u get aspect crests from 5+?

[south kayak]

do

[oblique trail]

No

[south kayak]

6

[flat river]

or wyrm?

[oblique trail]

+6 and above

[flat river]

kk

[south kayak]

^

[flat river]

i would but like

people i do dungeons with are doodoo

[south kayak]

pug it or something

[flat river]

i do

thats what i mean

the pugs i do with are doodoo

[teal sable]

Are we able to craft anything this week?

[south kayak]

I have a lot of haste lol

and low mastery

arms moment

gonna go BSL, which item tho idk

cloak?

[lost saffron]

Hot

Wait

What's bsl

[oblique trail]

blue silken lining

silly toph

[lost saffron]

Oh

Neck for arms

Feet for fury

Fury is sandbag tho

[chrome plover]

only if you didnt last week

[ripe stratus]

Is it worth holding dragon roar till my hurricane buff is maxed?

[chrome plover]

no

our dots dont snapshot

[ripe stratus]

damn

ok

[calm mantle]

Can't even compete. Makes me cry

[clever belfry]

big shit loot

[clever belfry]

what is this MW doing

???????

[oblique trail]

Nya :3

[chrome plover]

healing bro

(with soothing mist i guess?)

[calm mantle]

It was only a 7, so we murdered most things, they did 61m healing, 66k. It was a stomp

[chrome plover]

in that case mw should be doing even more damage

[glad coyote]

What's your ilvl and what key was it?

[chrome plover]

if they dont need to do anything crazy they just drop faeline and spin

[calm mantle]

510, 7 academy, Shaman 513, DH 511.

[clever belfry]

in most trash pulls its less healing to not spin

realistically

[tender cairn]

im in spain without the a

[fading knot]

So im guessing the vers-mast gear of s3 isnt viable anymore? Stacking haste agian?

[mossy fox]

nah stats are pretty similar to last season, you do want a bit more haste than before tho

but as always sim yourself

[glad coyote]

interesting how fury is just beating out arms

for m+

[chrome plover]

in popularity

isnt that always the case?

[oblique trail]

Basically

Don't recall ever seeing a season where Fury isn't popular in recent times

[plush ice]

Fury is fine in keys though

[prime root]

Lately for keys oh yeah last few years I wanna say

[plush ice]

Better st and comparable aoe

[oblique trail]

Better ST?

Compared to what?

[plush ice]

Compared to aoe arms

[icy topaz]

Kekw

[oblique trail]

If you run double BS maybe

[plush ice]

Last I checked my fury was still like 3k over arms

Thst was before yesterday and upgrades, so it could be changed, but it was def better forvme

[prime root]

We really that bad for keys dmg right now? Ever since I got 4p and lego upgrade I've been dumpstering most people

[oblique trail]

Fury isn't bad in M+

[chrome plover]

just keep dumpstering and ignore the doomers

[oblique trail]

It's still good

Just that Arms is overall the stronger spec

[chrome plover]

this channel is just gonna be cursed this patch

[icy topaz]

Yup

[oblique trail]

And has the advantage of not being target capped so it will do very well even during massive pulls

[prime root]

It's all I know how to do brotha! I'm just happy to have my favorite iteration of the spec back! Free ww casts and raging blow back feels godlike

[chrome plover]

same

🤝

[prime root]

I recall a few weeks ago someone was being toxic af in here when I was saying s2 set played better, I hope that person is having a better day wherever they are 😜

[chrome plover]

weak = unfun to a sad number of people

[prime root]

It just plays better. It feels like I'm going berserk on stuff. That's fury class fantasy 101

[oblique trail]

I don't mind either S2 or S3 playstyles, but the numbers are just not it

[chrome plover]

I didn't mind S3 but S2 just feels way more "fury" to me, cant disagree that the numbers need help

[dense elbow]

Can't really blame ppl for feeling bad about Fury's current ST situation. If you raid, it is pretty grim.

[prime root]

Eh it's early tho they can patch and hot fix, I also am enjoying constantly having reck, the flow of it just slaps my face I'm so addicted to this game again

I'm more of a key guy so I definitely understand where the raiders are coming from, did heroic clear Tuesday and I was in New set and the other guy was in old set edging me out

[dense elbow]

We are happy for you, Benix. We truly are.

[chrome plover]

I'm a raid guy and I am still enjoying the set

but each to their own

I just missed how it played

and it plays good

[prime root]

Yessir!

[dense elbow]

Would enjoy it more, if S3 wasn't better for the bosses.

When I get mythic tier, it will be equal to 489, fgm

[chrome plover]

im in mainly hero tier and I sim the same as full 489/socketed helm S3 tier

[prime root]

Ya I'm waiting to see how next tyrannical feels with it

[chrome plover]

obviously that's bad, but you dont need mythic to be equal

[prime root]

I'm 513 equipped now I think? Feeling great for fort week, bosses are still dying fast enough in like 12-13s can't feel that lacking ST yet, waiting to see how tyrannical feels next week

[dense elbow]

In practise S3 gets less punished by mechanics and movement. S3 is just better, untill S4 do DPS to cower the play style disadvantages

[chrome plover]

yeah you absolutely wont notice it in fort keys, especially as most classes lose more ST switching to aoe talents than fury does

[prime root]

Ya for sure

[chrome plover]

going into tyrannical it's maybe a bit more noticeable but it's quite clearly a lot weaker in raid

[dense elbow]

In keys, tier is more than fine, just bring someone to delete bosses for you

[chrome plover]

I think you're okay if you dont care about raid tbh

[chrome plover]

I vendored that shit as soon as I used my catalyst charge ngl

[oblique trail]

I'm keeping my full 489 S3 set

In case S3 Fury somehow bangs on a boss

Like Tindral

[dense elbow]

Fair, but I would keep it for bosses in raid

[chrome plover]

im doing more in s2 set than s3 set

[dense elbow]

I don't want to go arms,so I must try to cheese 🧀 until we get fixed

[chrome plover]

it sims a very small upgrade and maybe im just better at s2

🤷

[dense elbow]

Then you played S3 wrong

[chrome plover]

i quit pretty early in the tier tbh

on mythic tindral

[dense elbow]

But it doesn't matter,we are literally discussing minmaxing bottom scrap tier dps

It is pointless

[mossy fox]

I'm definitely doing far more with current gear s4 than i did in s3

set might be worse but it cant overcome that much ilvl lol

[dense elbow]

Happy for you crit, ya got some mythic tier I presume

[mossy fox]

no

[chrome plover]

if ur minmaxing and doing less dps becuase of downtime

then ur not minmaxing

my tier is avg like 510 ilvl and is better than my s3 set

[dense elbow]

Fair I guess, will presume Sims and logs are wrong then

[chrome plover]

sure as banezi said there might be cases like tindral

and sure it needs help because with this much ilvl increase we shouldnt even need to have this discussion

but it is better at hero ilvl

[dense elbow]

My Sims said it was under, but hey, I just need to get lucky on other gear stats to push it up I guess

Woop woop

Again, it does ok in keys, and we are shit tier in raid anyhow. So all is good in the world of tier Vs tier

As neither really matters in context

[torpid sand]

are we really losing to aug

[flat river]

[tender cairn]

[oblique trail]

Fury is not too hot in raid, no

Also most people who care, are playing Arms in raid

[tender cairn]

traitors

[oblique trail]

(And the sample size is pretty limited for some fights, since it's the 2nd/3rd day of the week)

[obtuse steeple]

@mossy fox what is the shizzle these days i have seen in multiple discord channels many people put a profile picture with rainbow frame ? why it became a main stream ?

[dense elbow]

We will beat aug by that end of it

[oblique trail]

oh no

[slim coral]

because they are clowns

[tender cairn]

whats with the clown shame

[dense elbow]

You are clowns, your shame is here to amuse us

[mossy fox]

it's a border that became available in april fools this year, it means we are clowns

[chrome plover]

[tender cairn]

we fell for the bait

its that shrimple

we saw lootboxes

[obtuse steeple]

lol i see , i thought something else

[slim coral]

what the heck does stiefbro mean

just saw it in a gingi vid

[chrome plover]

step brother I think

[slim coral]

[chrome plover]

I can only guess it came from a degen porn meme

[calm mantle]

I got beat by a tank in ST on the second boss of Nokhud. It's just a collecting buff deff probably but still just sad

[dense elbow]

The one you can SR? No way you get beat

Oh, Forti week

Maybe?

[mossy fox]

getting outdpsd on st by tank in m+ is not a set issue

[dense elbow]

Prot warr on that boss pumps to be fair

[calm mantle]

No its a skill issue as well but i mean s3 it felt less of a skill issue so i idnt' feel sad

[mossy fox]

i'll refer back to this

[dense elbow]

I refer to:
Fury is in a bad spot overall, tier is fine, they shouldn't even compete in theory at this point.

[clever path]

Fury in its current iteration is worse than the shitstorm I have after binging Taco Bell

[obtuse steeple]

btw we are at the end of the expansion , fury was decent at s1,s2,s3

just play arms

[calm mantle]

I refuse!

Take that shit back to arms channel

[dense elbow]

If we just played arms, we wouldn't be in here complaining now would we

Shoo

[calm mantle]

I just need a reason to complain sometimes, even when I'm the problem.

[obtuse steeple]

becaues most of you are spoiled by mashing buttons since childhood , real warriors tend to be arms if you check deep into every top guild you will find a real arms warrior soul within their warriors

[tender cairn]

I dunno its so easy to fix

[flat river]

real warriors are fury

[tender cairn]

just buff the 2p set bonus from 12% to 200%

[oak peak]

Is fury bad in keys too? Like if i do only keys, still play arms?

[tender cairn]

simple

[oblique trail]

Raven, can you tell me what it's like to have a real arms warrior soul within?

[flat river]

world first fyrakk was with fury warrior

[dense elbow]

That be the problem's annoying part

[ruby tundra]

Yes

[flat river]

it's that simple

if you care about dps

[ruby tundra]

Ues

[flat river]

go arms

if u care about fun

play fury

easy

• fury is fast paced and arms is slow paced

[calm mantle]

I've never touched arms in the like 9 months I've played WoW and I don't think I ever will.

[oblique trail]

Arms is for sure slow paced

[flat river]

imagine not having permanent 80% haste in ST

[covert blaze]

In comparison yeah, it is

[fallen ginkgo]

just hope for wafting procs

and arms is fast 😄

[oblique trail]

I will spec IFTK in raid and make it faster paced then

[slim coral]

I'd be in liquid right now if it wasn't for the season 4 tier set for fury

fucking blows

[oblique trail]

Spiteful Serenity + IFTK next expac

[chrome plover]

my wife and kids would still be here if it wasnt for season 4 tier set for fury

[flat river]

[leaden spoke]

Are you the punisher now

[flat river]

https://tenor.com/view/the-punisher-gif-22731535

[dense elbow]

I want to have fun as fury and not feel like a hindrance though

If fury is 30% behind, it is being a negative impact on your team.

Nobody wants to be that guy. So play style doesn't matter. We feel like the shit we are, due to being so far behind.

[covert blaze]

I don't care what they do as long as they delete tom

[long smelt]

welp just go arms im sure everyone else is lmao

[calm mantle]

My wrists wouldn't hurt when I play WoW if it wasn't for fury warrior as a whole.

[flat river]

then go play arms

[mossy fox]

bernthal did such a good job as the punisher

[flat river]

real warriors

[dense elbow]

That is the forced option, and it is not fun.

[flat river]

dont care about others

[silent burrow]

you sure it's slow paced?

[flat river]

only themselves

[chrome plover]

agree

[flat river]

real and true

[chrome plover]

but what does that have to do with hating fury season 4 tier set

[flat river]

slower than fury

[slim coral]

Critcake would of been the lead role for punisher but the fury season 4 tier set stopped that

[tender cairn]

if u dont like arms its actually a perfect time for fury

[mossy fox]

dunno

[tender cairn]

to go out there and check out other classes

[oblique trail]

spilt coffee moment

[tender cairn]

[flat river]

world hunger would've ended but fury season 4 set stopped that

[oblique trail]

Don't worry it's already dead

[slim coral]

IS that ST

[oblique trail]

yes

[flat river]

:O

[slim coral]

pogging

[plush ice]

@oblique trail so i just back home to resim my fury versus arms st setups in AoE, and actually arms has pulled back ahead after a week of upgrades (even after resimming gems and whatnot since everything has switched over to arms) - in worse gear the result was flipped

[slim coral]

how long was the sim

[oblique trail]

I simmed myself and my M+ Hybrid Arms talents was 1k ahead of my full ST Fury setup

[plush ice]

but i actually think it could just be having a bad offhand

[oblique trail]

Standard 5 min 1 target

I don't play around with settings

[slim coral]

I'm curious how small the dps loss is in raid now that fights are only 2-3 mins

[plush ice]

all i have is a LFR ashcan offhand

i bet if i had am ythic offhand it would even back out

[dense elbow]

I will explain to you:

Two groups.

1. The I hate s2 no matter what. A vocal few and memesters.
2. The ones who who feel S3 and S4 ST go be so overlapping to be a problem, combined with Fury's performance in raid.

Quite a few fanatical S2 supporters see the two groups as the same. When their complaints are very different.

[torpid sand]

i am already

[covert blaze]

idk wym

[plush ice]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oqikQnHLnGcv1W6kroLSxj

versus https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tsE6DtPc6eHQEkyAi5DBg8

[chrome plover]

thanks for ur message but i was replying to crit talking about the punisher 👍

[flat river]

paying 50k irl gold for season 3 set return

[oblique trail]

Just a joke that IFTK isn't even that far behind ToM

Which is funny considering how many people, myself included to an extent, just despise ToM

[dense elbow]

Danged off topics

[slim coral]

tbf tho tom should be deleted

it does not need to exist

[chrome plover]

that's what im sayin' and now we've turned into arms chat

[flat river]

test of might? more like test of mid

[oblique trail]

You could technically just completely ignore ToM and go play Arms with IFTK if that's what you hate about it

[white quest]

What is there to hate about S2 tierset? Wasnt it by far the best tier we got this xpac? 😮

[oblique trail]

And take a small average loss

[covert blaze]

Idk 1.6 seems like a lot to me

[clever path]

Not mathematically

[chrome plover]

I dont think there's many people hating on the actual gameplay of S2, it's more fuelled by how weak fury is rn

[oblique trail]

1.6% is about the same as you'd lose going from Spear to Roar in S3

Maybe even a bit less

[dense elbow]

Some ppl like vanilla, other chocolate, some banana.

Not everyone will be happy about the feel or play of the tier. But some will.

[plush ice]

so, i never played arms until a week ago, why do people hate ToM

outside pressing WW over OP it dosnt' seem like it changes what buttons you press or anything

[dense elbow]

Ask in arms

[white quest]

Ouh yeah like it is super weak right now i realised that after people started memeing the shit out of me in pug raids. "Why play fury when you can just drag your balls across the keyboard as DH and do better?" and all that stuff ._.

But i was excited to get S2 tier again and anger management+Ravager. Its just yeah....numbers be low.

[long smelt]

playstyle aside which is just opinion its just the set does such bad dmg rn s3 does btr and s2 has horrible st

[oblique trail]

Because ToM makes you have a completely flat damage profile is one of the big reasons

Combined with AM just makes it worse

[plush ice]

ah, i guess i dont really care about my dmg profile except how it relates to specific encounters

[white quest]

Then again i probably would have accepted any Tierset that allows me to ditch annihilator+odyns fury garbage for anger management,onslaught and ravager.

[oblique trail]

But comb through #arms and search ToM and you'll find plenty discussions about it

[chrome plover]

for me the playstyle owns and I'm in a comfy guild that I enjoy playing with (and arent pushing hof anymore) so it's not an issue and I'm having a great time

but for others the numbers being low is a big deal

which is fair ig

[calm mantle]

"Why play fury when you can just drag your balls across the keyboard as DH and do better?" I tried dragging my balls across the keyboard last season on DH and some how still managed to perform bad. Skill issue probably.

But I can play fury okay.

[dense elbow]

70% of the complaints will go away with fury tierset buffs.

Then we are left with only thr vocal S2 haters.

Hopefully buffs roll out soon

[manic gulch]

maybe skill issue but definitely misinformation

[white quest]

Assuming we get buffed and not ignored until TWW

[plush ice]

Eh, DH is much harder to play, see last season where despite it being more meta i can't remember the last key i did where a DH did more then me

that wasn't a guild dh

[white quest]

[manic gulch]

ret pala is the smash your head on keyboard to do better spec

[covert blaze]

dh is way harder than fury

[manic gulch]

not dh

[dense elbow]