fury

[slim coral]

aka me

[dense elbow]

It is still fun, just s bit too weak. A buff will see all the problems and whining go away

[slim coral]

fuck s2 in terms of tuning

set is dog

[raw shuttle]

it was voted for

so its gotta be good

right

[slim coral]

I mean the boomies voted for their tier set

[raw shuttle]

have fun playign arms in raid and m+

[slim coral]

and now they have to run 2 piece 2 piece

[dense elbow]

Dang, thought that was a meme

[slim coral]

its not

[dense elbow]

Poor boomkings, hope they get fixed in the same patch as we do

[slim coral]

boomkins run the most dps by running 2 piece 2 piece

we're almost as bad as them

[dense elbow]

Luckily our old (2) was kinda weak, so saved

Or rather,of is just weak baseline

[brittle crow]

its been so long since my evoker pulled me into rionthus' deep breath on forgotten experiments

just like old times

🥹

[wraith sedge]

whoever voted for season2 tierset should reconsider ur life

[brittle crow]

europeans

[modest condor]

yeah this is the kind of comment i was refering to earlier

[brittle crow]

which comment

[quiet geyser]

or just go to forums and ask blizz to tune our tier set like they said they would

[upbeat plume]

they did

just not enough

[brittle crow]

2%

[upbeat plume]

but to them its a job well done

[quiet geyser]

tune properly*

[upbeat plume]

now your adding to many concepts for them to handle

XD

[wraith sedge]

@light ibex its not about performance its not fun to play idk how anyone enjoys it for fury. they already buffed it. its just disgusting to play

[upbeat plume]

what s2?

or s3?

[wraith sedge]

s2 tierset is probably the worst iteration of fury ive every played

[sick viper]

been that playstyle since SL season 3

[wraith sedge]

what?

[manic gulch]

you should try paladin

[wraith sedge]

you have no sat around waititng to randomly hit blood thirst to barely do anymore damage since sl

[manic gulch]

because that's what s3 tier was

paladin gameplay

[sick viper]

im talkin rb spam lol

[brazen island]

S2 fury just ain’t it

[sick viper]

its only shit cuz rb spam does shit damage unless you're giga uptime

[wraith sedge]

the tierset isnt designed around raging blow spam lol its to use bt eventually for a shitty bleed. you do something randomly breaking up the fluidity of furys rotation to do shit damage from a shit tierset

[brazen island]

Tbh i’m not sure what the motivation even was to pick s2 tier

[brittle crow]

money

[brazen island]

Like why did we deliberately pick the tier where we weren’t meta at all

[brittle crow]

we didnt

[sick viper]

fat eu nerds with social safety nets picked s2 set

[brittle crow]

we picked s3, s2 was botted

[dense elbow]

I get where you are coming from, but no. Fury s3 isn't Ret gameplay.

Now, the suggestion to try Ret is fair though

[manic gulch]

because blizz said they would compensate the older tiers for s4

[modest condor]

s3 was botted, luckily the botters were so bad they couldnt even beat the real people

[manic gulch]

so the "why pick s2 since we were bad in s2" is not a valid argument

[sick viper]

shouldve botted harder then

[modest condor]

btw s2 is the closest fury has ever been to meta in m+ so that's a funny thing to say

[upbeat plume]

thats great if you care about m+ over raid

[glad coyote]

i care only about m+

[sick viper]

m+ trash

[upbeat plume]

good for you

I only care about raid

[brazen island]

M+ sure, but there’s more than tier that plays into that

[modest condor]

when talking about meta i would say m+ is implied

[brazen island]

Dungeon pool, item pool, and relative power level of other specs matters big time

[dense elbow]

S4 isn't S2, and Aug is in S4 as well. Would S3 also be close to meta if was slapped in instead of S2 in that context? I say that is very likely

[brazen island]

Well sure it is when what i’m asking is literally “what was the point of picking s2 over s3”? I literally don’t understand the motivation

[modest condor]

doesnt really have anything to do with what i said but coolio 👍

[brazen island]

Do people consider it more fun? Did it bring extra utility or new gameplay to the table?

[half cargo]

It’s more satisfying to play for me at least

[manic gulch]

more fun

best feeling of fury out of the options

[modest condor]

i consider s2 playstyle more fun yeah

[upbeat plume]

some people consider it more fun

[manic gulch]

s3 was terrible

[half cargo]

Kaching, big hit

[wraith sedge]

end of the day s2 tierset is fucking miserable to play it coudl be tops dps still not fun or enjoyable

[half cargo]

Neuron activated

[brazen island]

Alright i mean then that’s fair, why complain at that point

[upbeat plume]

people got mad that fury had to use more then half a braincell in season 3 to do the rotation right

[brazen island]

No point for us to say s3 was better if people actually think s2 was more fun for them. Fun is subjective and more people thought s2 was fun over s3

Now it’s just a matter of tuning

[modest condor]

exactly

[upbeat plume]

they wont tune it

[dense elbow]

S3 was good, S2 was good. The only issue is the ST dam loss we are seeing, and that (4) feels shit with current numbers.

[upbeat plume]

like I get the hopium but they literally just keep the lights on in fated seaons

[manic gulch]

it was the opposite

[brazen island]

Lmao are you trolling? S3 rotation was literally rampage bt

[manic gulch]

s3 fury was simpler

and slower

[modest condor]

if you didnt like the s2 playstyle then sure complain that's fair

[upbeat plume]

s2 is literally 2 button spec for 90% of its rotation

[modest condor]

if all you're gonna do is yell and complain about dps being lower then you completely missed the point of the poll

[brazen island]

Nah it’s not like i didn’t like s2, i just personally thought s3 was more fun because it was new gameplay

[upbeat plume]

except anyone could have told you that blizzard was unlikely to get the tuning right

the

they never do

[modest condor]

(also you can be civil with your complaints)

[olive wraith]

Was s2 not ramp rb?

[half cargo]

Honestly even if I found S3 more fun, I’d pick s2 just for a change of pace

[manic gulch]

[brazen island]

Everything was ramp rb lol, that’s not new to s2

[olive wraith]

Then what’s the difference in your claim

[brazen island]

Yeah that’s fair, too. I came back late into s3, so it was still relatively new to me

[brazen island]

Odyn’s fury is a button we pressed in s3, and odyn’s fury is infinitely more fun to use than ravager

[upbeat plume]

s3 you had to hit things in the right order and not just mindlessly mash rampage when it lit up, it wasnt a super complex order but more so then s2

[olive wraith]

S3 was more complicated even if just the tiniest margin

[manic gulch]

yellow fire < ashcandy spinning brrrrrr

[dense elbow]

Agreed, but also a very unpopular opinion. Now, remember you can take OF with rav as well.

[upbeat plume]

ravager would be perfect if it wasnt a groundtargeted aoe and just spun around us

[manic gulch]

so bladestorm

[upbeat plume]

so we could control where it goes

nah

[manic gulch]

but without a channel

[upbeat plume]

you can still act while ravagers up

pretty much yeah, ravagers mechanics suck is its only downside lol

[brazen island]

Lol honestly 6 hours ago i would have said fuuuuuu but i got heroic ashkandy today so i’m with it

[half cargo]

Imagine a universe where s1 won the vote

[dense elbow]

Best timeline

[half cargo]

Now that would be content

[manic gulch]

we skip to tww

[upbeat plume]

honestly if they ACTUALLY tuned it right

[manic gulch]

in that timeline

[upbeat plume]

I would have loved that

[brazen island]

S2 and S3 brothers unite

[wraith sedge]

@half cargo s1>s2 tierset for sure

[manic gulch]

[half cargo]

I dunno man, any item with crit being useless…

Miss me with that

Loved the frequent executes tho ngl

[dense elbow]

If execute hit like a truck, S1 would be a banger

[modest condor]

im pretty sure that if we got s1 we would just not play AJ anymore

not sure what we would take instead tho

[dense elbow]

I don't like AJ anyhow, poor mans jugg. Doesn't even stack 10 times. 0/10

[sullen dove]

its not looking good guys...

i dont think we're gonna get our legendaries b4 raid...

[modest condor]

F

[sullen dove]

why even play the game...

[dense elbow]

[modest condor]

guess i dont have to do lfr directly after reset either

[sullen dove]

youre an eu frog?

tf?

[upbeat sentinel]

With leges broken, am I still safe to buy the upgrade token and take whatever minor upgrades it allows?

[sullen dove]

no way

[dense elbow]

Delay the raid

[upbeat sentinel]

Or will I be wasting currency in some way

[modest condor]

you didnt know?

[sullen dove]

what in the hell

[static kayak]

Fury vs Arms w/ 4piece?

[sullen dove]

arms better but if youre not doing serious content or dont care play whatever

[upbeat sentinel]

Arms ass beats us on the meters

but ya every spec is playable if you just hate arms

[upbeat plume]

yeah arms is better at everything in raid atm pretty sure

[upbeat sentinel]

they beat us in keys too

[modest condor]

arms is overtuned fury is undertuned

only play fury if you like the playstyle more

[dense elbow]

The day arms get Odyn's, I will swap. So I am stuck

[ashen socket]

I can't remember but did they make changes to classes in slands during the fated season?

[dense elbow]

I know BDK got quite a few changes

Warr prob stayed the same, as always

We are literally on the bottom of their list.

Dont have any hope.

We are lucky if they fix us on accident, tining weapons to buff Ret

[void blade]

whyd people vote for this set its bootycheeks

[flint narwhal]

pretty wild they havent fixed leggo yet

[static kayak]

yeah, dont like this bloodthirst thing

[ashen socket]

Its called mental illness

[static kayak]

I didnt vote though, gg

[upbeat plume]

misplaced faith in blizzards tuning ability pm

[forest hawk]

do we still buy the legendary upgrade ? yes right

[ashen socket]

They expected the tuning to be correct but blizz normally falls flat on fury tuning at the start

[upbeat plume]

there wont be any more tuning

its fated

[ashen socket]

If it wasn't common people wouldn't doom as much

[dense elbow]

As boomie is using 2+2, there is hope that will cause enough meme's to accidentally put some work into us as well during that tuning pass

[ashen socket]

Wait now that I think about it

did fury get any changes at all last season?

Was that the first time fury was not touched after ptr?

[tight ruin]

Trying to sim ST/AOE but getting mixed results, any suggestions on which for general upgrade?

[sullen dove]

probably OCE

[sinful spoke]

who got the wa

for the tier set

[dense elbow]

Yep, we got some exe dam, slam CDR and that jazz

[sullen dove]

tho idk how good OCE is for fury

generally more desirable than pips i would think

[upbeat plume]

its not

at least for bis

[sullen dove]

hmm

i dont see an option for an OCE with no buffs

[upbeat plume]

oce is bist for arms

[sullen dove]

but pips is at the absolute bottom of the list

for fury

[upbeat plume]

once the buffs are present

[sullen dove]

1 target patchwerk i think

[half cargo]

Was like that last season as well

[sullen dove]

yea i think pips is just not a fury trink

at all

[half cargo]

Had 489 one from arms that I just couldn’t get to sim well at all for fury

[sullen dove]

oce just should be better

can also select what stat you need

more control over the stat stick

[sullen dove]

.

[sick viper]

yo I sold a heroic anvil for 450k

[sullen dove]

pog

[tight ruin]

ah true, true, ty for the input

[sick viper]

p much robbery

[modest condor]

pips is a strong aoe trinket if you cant get the group buffs for oce/icon but i think augury still beats it for overall performance because pips is just kinda bad on st

[potent sinew]

Someone tried to get me to buy the Nelth sword for 250k after they won literally every plate piece of loot in the raid, like 8 of them. Damn Ret.

[wispy dock]

rat pally just looted the nelth sword even tho he has a 502 leggo .....

[keen kindle]

now that's just being a dick

[wispy dock]

i even called him out

douche

[keen kindle]

Imagine just stealing a weapon people might need well you have a lego that you can prepare to upgrade the instant it's fixed

[celest osprey]

i dont have the 2h leggo should i just buy ashkundar from bullion shop ?

[potent sinew]

It would be the most impactful due to weapon. And it could also slide into offhand if you did get the Axe. But that’s also gambling that you don’t get it in the raid because nobody (should) need it aside from fury.

[celest osprey]

yeah its a fresh toon so i highly doubt i'm gonna get leggo anytime soon right ?

[potent sinew]

Things like Fyrakk’s trinket would be significantly harder to get to drop in raid, and a lot of people are going to shoot for it if it does.

[celest osprey]

whats the go-to trinket for m+ ?

[potent sinew]

Fury is Fyrakk’s in everything straight up.

[celest osprey]

brilliant thanks for that

[sour tundra]

what are you guys upgrading since we cant upgrade the legendary axe for who knows how long

[potent sinew]

Waiting for the axe.

If it’s longer than two weeks that’s impressively incompetent.

[celest osprey]

is there such a thing as too much haste

or do i just focus on ilvl for now

[potent sinew]

Well, the actual answer is Mr Robot because us mortals can’t calculate how many factors is needed where something is bad. But iirc it’s around 30% the softcap kicks in or so?
In general just Ilvl is always a safe choice.

[brittle crow]

my offhand ashkandur went to someone who doesnt have the lego yet

i guess its a sign to play arms lmfao

[ashen socket]

Its ok you werent gonna do much damage anyway as fury

[brittle crow]

xdddddddd

its a sign

[ashen socket]

I really should just play prot this season in keys

Does fine in every scenario and I pull big for the dps

Meanwhile when others are tanking for me they pull like absolute bozos

[modest condor]

i think you'll have an even harder time playing prot lol

[ashen socket]

Not really

Been way easier to get into keys

[gilded pawn]

minor

[modest condor]

damn people invite non-vdh?

[ashen socket]

In my experience yeah

[gilded pawn]

yeah its called nepotism

[ashen socket]

Prot go brr in nok

[modest condor]

brr

[ashen socket]

sicknasty spell reflects

[modest condor]

and hoi

[ashen socket]

Yeah

That or its a panda angle

just go all in on it

[bitter palm]

ngl

its troll

vdh just brings down the key level by 3

if not more

[ashen socket]

Yeah

its gonna stay that way too

Just all of its util changes the game too much

Unless they make it mega squish

You will use that class

or unless they take away the double sig

[bitter palm]

nah its blizz

they will gut vdh sooner or later

[ashen socket]

Maybe

[bitter palm]

and make it unusuable for ane ntire expac

[ashen socket]

only 2 ways I can see them fixing the issue

unless they buff everyone to be better

[bitter palm]

remember unholy in castle nathria

or ww monk

[ashen socket]

Nope

[bitter palm]

what was it for unholy

80% mastery nerf

[ashen socket]

I was too busy dooming at the start of nathria

[bitter palm]

or something

sub rogue in bfa

it was good on one boss

so blizz made it shit for the entire expac

[hearty bay]

Whats everyone buying with their Bullion?

[gilded pawn]

dont think vdh will be touched until prepatch

[bitter palm]

legendary

[unkempt grotto]

fyralath, anything else and youll regret it for 1.5 weeks once its fixed.

[bitter palm]

same

i dont expect changes in s4

[south kayak]

[haughty token]

is fyralath bugged? i cant upgrade it

[snow flower]

Yes

[south kayak]

Yes

[haughty token]

thanks

[snow flower]

Blizzard responded with:

Thank you for your patience.```

[haughty token]

so 8 weeks from now

[south kayak]

I am patient

[proper peak]

surely it will be fixed before the patch goes live

[slate mica]

August 2024

[upbeat plume]

its almost like they knew about this on the ptr

and did nothing lol

[proper peak]

impossible

[upbeat plume]

guess it really did take them awhile, were on like month 2 of the solution then adding the ptr time in there XD

[proper peak]

trying to decide if I should use 60 aspects and craft a belt with shadowflame at max ilvl

[thorny cove]

feels good to do keys all day and not a singular sim dps upgrade

like why is there just 10 trinkets that scale horribly

[wanton mirage]

still no ash curse

[prime charm]

The level of incompetence on show with the Lego upgrade situation takes some beating

[olive wraith]

Damn it’s still bugged? I was hoping it would be fixed when I got off work

[vocal igloo]

so going to the new 4pc from the old 4pc and going up 5ilvls is still a 4k dps loss in the sims...

[proper peak]

ouch

[queen panther]

Better they said in the blue posts. Dps loss it was.

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/K62gj/bdf5fb65ad.png

damn too bad it's heroic

[compact knot]

atleast u got one

[queen panther]

^

[compact knot]

im stuck with a 509 weapon and a lego i cant even fucking upgrade

lmao

prob should wait till mythic first boss to upgrade anything tbh

i could save hella crests

[devout apex]

if i do raid before i pick my vault item

would the progress be recorded for new vault?

[queen panther]

yes

It will

[devout apex]

thanks!

[fringe flame]

What point should I drop for Wrecking Throw?

[jaunty yew]

guys, catalyst should have recharged this week too, right?

[queen panther]

Yes

U should have a second charge this week

[modest condor]

pain and gain

[jaunty yew]

prolly gonna be later this day cause its not recharged yet

[fringe flame]

ty

[modest condor]

it's not actually the biggest upgrade in my vault

and since im gonna replace it with mythic anyway i'm just gonna pick something else

[olive wraith]

Helm is kinda big

Especially if it grants 4p

[clever path]

alright, to anyone who has actually done HM DOTI, does all of HM drop myth track?

[modest condor]

nothing drops myth track in there

[olive wraith]

Isn’t it only last boss

Heroic

[modest condor]

it's all hero track

[olive wraith]

An gotcha

[clever path]

is it possible with s4 tier set to still play annihalator?

[lost pasture]

is there any macros for rotation stuff for the current tier?

[clever path]

i feel like the raging blow build i do 0 damage.

[young swan]

its possible but it wont be very good

[olive wraith]

They conflict because anni forces you to press bt too frequent

You wouldn’t get any stacks from set

[young swan]

nothing outside of the usual @ player/@ cursor macros

u can macro some cd's together as well

reck + avatar is okay and reck + ravager is okay as well although not something I would use

[lost pasture]

ah gotcha, thanks for the info ♥

[devout apex]

ru guys still using lariat?

[young swan]

we stopped using lariat after s1

so no

[lavish lily]

is tier set actually applying damage to bloodthirst correctly? This seems way too weak when maxxed out.

Also why did Augury sims fall the hell off. Its up in single target, but dog in multi? Its a multi target trinket. Are there bugs in sims or something going on?

[young swan]

augury is a ST trinket with some aoe scaling

but its not an aoe trinket

it just does both pretty well which is why is so sought after

[lavish lily]

yeah and it was simming amazing in multi until patch/sims got updated, including for old tier set

and then the sim dropped

[devout apex]

i thot we did vers wrists and lariat?

[young swan]

also yeah the tier set is working correctly its just bad

[young swan]

nope

#fury message

breakdown of current embellishments

[lavish lily]

im almost certain there is some sort of bug going on with fury, but i dont have the time to prove this shit out

crit values are mega sus

[lime bison]

i was about to ask haha

[young swan]

wdym

[lime bison]

the numbers I am getting for ST and MT are just terrible

[young swan]

i mean its not that deep

[lavish lily]

augury literally changed how it was simming with old tier after the update

[young swan]

fury is not that good this season

[lavish lily]

that doesnt just happen

when you sim identical gear

whatever updates happened broke something, dont know if its sim or game

[devout apex]

its shadowflame even in keys?

[young swan]

unless if you send some sims this is kinda just talk

[lavish lily]

yea i literally just dont have time unfortunately, i was hoping someone had similar thoughts or something was known

i heard whisperings of a crit bug with augury

[young swan]

you can go vers wrists + BSL if you want just be aware you have to manage ur hp as a result

[lavish lily]

but something about crit not resetting properly

[olive wraith]

Keep in mind we are sending the stacked bt with less stacks

[lavish lily]

but thats all i got, rumors and feels, praying for someone smarter than me to look lmao

[olive wraith]

The set is just really underwhelming friend

[lavish lily]

thats not what i mean, i know this set is dog

its not trying to cope, but sims with augury acted weird after patch

[tame yarrow]

Yet I thought leggy will be fixed when eu comes up

[modest condor]

in what way?

[lavish lily]

if you sim old gear with aug, it doesnt match older sims in multi target anymore

it drops off

[olive wraith]

Idk if I’m wrong but I don’t think sims would change post patch if none of the numbers changed

[lavish lily]

which was not the case in S3

[chilly fractal]

Upgrade Anvil... 5k dps increase... Upgrade anvil and swap to full 522 tier 3.6k dps increase... /facepalm

[young swan]

shit breaks sometimes, but I think a lot more people would've said something by noiw

[lavish lily]

thats why im mega sus

have a few guild warriors who feel the same

but we havent heard anything

which is why im posting here

[lime bison]

wait... is anvil causing sim issues? I'm gettin some weird sim results between s3 4-set and s4 4-set.

[chilly fractal]

I wouldn't say sim issues

[olive wraith]

I wonder if anni just procced it more

[modest condor]

no the procrate uses rppm

[olive wraith]

Passive proc vs actively pressing rb then?

[modest condor]

as long as you use rb a reasonable amount of time it should have the same procrate

[lavish lily]

also, the rumor i heard was augury was rolling crit x2 instead of once, one for proc, one for hit, and there might be a weird interaction there

but literally just a rumor, nothing to substantiate it

shrug, back to ignorance

[modest condor]

im not sure what you mean but maybe that's just me being tired because it's 6:30am and i havent slept

[lavish lily]

tbh the dude who explained it was probably just as tired

so i did not glean much

[modest condor]

unfortunately i dont have any sims leftover from before the patch to check

[fringe flame]

Any huge downside to macroing Reck+Ravager and Avatar+(Spear/Roar)?

[lavish lily]

wish i had something more to offer, just wanted to see if anyone was aware of anything

yeah i think the best thing that could be something to look at is S3 sims vs S4 sims with same gear

that might prove something

and it looked very strange

[nocturne carbon]

because sim prio's SD with old tier and MS with new tier and anvil procs off ms

[granite arrow]

ive seen a lot of people say if you do 0 death hard mode then deios drops myth, is this incorrect?

[lavish lily]

but all my old sims are now gone

[queen panther]

does that avatar bug still happen? when you had to reck before avatar

[modest condor]

idk about 0 death

no that bug got fixed ages ago

[queen panther]

ight cool

[granite arrow]

i see 😂 i haven't confirmed it anywhere that really matters i just keep seeing it mentioned

[nocturne carbon]

im hearing zero death run gives myth track last boss loot

[modest condor]

well i know back in s2 doing 0 death hm gave myth track from deios, but they completely changed how hm works now

back then you had to pick up items scattered throughout the dungeon and you had to hold them and werent allowed to die

now you just talk to the guy at the entrance and make the bosses more difficult

[nocturne carbon]

oh really? still need to gab items for achieve?

[chilly fractal]

that is correct

[nocturne carbon]

wtf im in fury chat lol, my bad on the arms answer to anvil sims!

[edgy widget]

Anvil is bigger for S3 than S4, but like most direct damage trinkets its value is also highest when its higher than your overall ilevel

[granite arrow]

🦾🦾 <- where u thought u were

😡 <- where u were

[hard relic]

Socketed mythic igira ring poggies

Lego also bugged on EU

[chilly fractal]

o7

[quiet geyser]

well 1 good thing about s2 tier set, we can spam whirlwind and beyblade between pulls again :<

[pseudo galleon]

once we get leg upgrade item, how do we get it to max from there?

[chilly fractal]

Wait for the bug to get fixed

Then upgrade it like anything else

[willow cradle]

BIG TRUE

[charred panther]

should you upgrade something fully before catalyzing it? thought i remember that being a thing

[prime charm]

4k dps loss on new tier 🙂

[fringe flame]

How do I make the Bloodthirst Ka-Ching WA only show when I'm targeting something?

[olive wraith]

Nah it doesn’t matter

[broken kindle]

is the current 2set better than the s3 4 set guys?

[fringe flame]

That was for getting tmog tier from some vendor armor or something

[olive wraith]

No

[dusk jackal]

can someone help me with a weak aura?

i want the bloodthirst WA to only show when it needs to be pressed

i dont need to see it before then

but the existing WA shows it all all times

[median wadi]

And here I find things are as I suspected. Fury S2 tier was ass. It is still ass despite the "buffs". All ilvl 512 S4 4-tier is a DPS loss when compared to ilvl 489 S3 4-tier.

15k DPS loss when simming AoE talents for S3 vs S4

[midnight cairn]

Why is gear compare legacy now, on raidbots?

[young swan]

because most of its functionality is in top gear now

[median wadi]

raidbot keeps telling me to use S3 4set over S4, no matter what I do

[young swan]

something like that

[dusk jackal]

i also feel weaker in S4 gear compared to S3

today i got 9 upgrades, including the s4 4 set bonues

[muted star]

yeah you can do it in top gear now

[median wadi]

I guess the only appreciable difference would be if you equip Max mythic S4 4set

[edgy widget]

make sure you're changing talents appropriately as well, but S4 is not better than S3 without a sizeable ilevel increase

[dusk jackal]

and where before i was killing my guildmates on the meters, now its closer than it was before

[median wadi]

I did select S4 talents. Still a DPS loss

[edgy widget]

like I said, it's not better without a sizeable ilevel increase

[midnight cairn]

Oh neat!

[dusk jackal]

@edgy widget im 10 ilevels higher than i was yesterday. how much of a difference are we looking for?

[median wadi]

Odyn's Fury is a way better AoE talents than Ravager

[edgy widget]

idk your gear

[muted star]

just need a wowhead article telling everyone to keep wearing s3 set. Then maybe theyll do something.. they did say they dont like people wearing previous season gear.

[dusk jackal]

im 504.75 now

[median wadi]

Yeah, and that would mean waiting to get mythic S4 4set.

[edgy widget]

not necessarily mythic, for me it was about full heroic

it's also possible you're dropping helm socket, which is a small factor

[median wadi]

This is a 23 ilvl difference lmao and still a DPS loss for S4

[edgy widget]

hard to really know what you're seeing if you don't link it

I'm just giving you the general reasons why S3 would beat S4

do with it what you will

[dusk jackal]

disappointing, man

[wispy thistle]

Mine didnt improve till almost full heroic upgrade when simming

[edgy widget]

yeah that's around where it should break even or be worth slightly more

[wispy thistle]

converted to the dark side hoping they will fix it...... maybe

[red berry]

i think they should break onslaught again

for the bit

[dusk jackal]

is the "dark side" arms?

[wispy thistle]

yes

[dusk jackal]

ugh

[red berry]

i think id like aravager more if it was faster. covered more area. did more damage

[verbal frigate]

hey guys, anyone who did the legion hidden artifact appearance that i can ask a question?

[small estuary]

Ravaged in m+ with DH pull is so much fun though xD

[fringe flame]

@edgy widget how would I make it so your BT Crit WA only shows when I'm targeting an attackable target? I think I do something with Triggers?

[quartz onyx]

how do u upgrade leggo ? buy upgrade token go to vendor an upgrade rest there ?

[small estuary]

Can’t upgrade it right now

[edgy widget]

I have no idea

[small estuary]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/blizzard-aware-of-dragonflight-legendary-upgrade-bug-priority-issue-but-will-339106?webhook

[edgy widget]

you can just set it to only load in combat

[ashen aurora]

Grats on the real legendary of the expansion

[cloud onyx]

Grats on the real legendary of the expansion

[subtle lagoon]

What a god awful vault

No loot in raids for the whole week, then get cucked by vault. pog

[sullen dove]

eh i mean myth track loot

catalyze gloves

not unusable

just not some crazy item

[fervent turtle]

when you pray all night for that one missing set piece

[subtle lagoon]

Already used catalyst last week, with this I'll have 3 set. With my luck I'll get 4 set next week.

[dense drum]

Anyone having trouble putting leggo into upgrade vendor?

[young swan]

its bugged

cant upgrade it

[dense drum]

not surprised

[hardy cargo]

can some1 link me that fob build deswind was talkin about

[graceful bay]

Prob be fixed next week or some stupid timeframe

[hardy cargo]

fuck

wrong channel

[torpid sand]

ilvl 522 is for +10s?

[dusk jackal]

S3, 314k dps - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nMfwYrLBsy33kxdZbzo5Zo
S4, 303k dps - https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3cyrRq3m9hp7M86KdvPGud

i did account for the different talents in each

[young swan]

pretty sure dslice favors s3's damage profile by quite a bit

so thats not too surprising

[subtle lagoon]

Of course blizzard lied when they said they'd tune the tier set accordingly.

[buoyant salmon]

wdym god awful

this is literally a standard vault

[subtle lagoon]

aka god awful

[buoyant salmon]

so not getting a bis trinket is god awful

WORST case scenario you gain 2 sockets

thats sick lol

[fervent turtle]

apart from fury being lower end compared to other specs, you sim a bit worse with a bit higher ilvl. sure it should be the other way round, but doesnt look too terrible though

[subtle lagoon]

Using 2 sockets on heroic/lower gear is kind of weirdge

[buoyant salmon]

ok so worst case scenario you use it like 2 weeks from now

boo hoo.

[subtle lagoon]

Okay

[buoyant salmon]

your vault si fine you have multiple viable options

its just not turbo bis get over it

[subtle lagoon]

Ok

[fervent turtle]

please, just let him grief

[subtle lagoon]

No I'm wrong, my feelings are invalid because he said so

[buoyant salmon]

your feelings are invalid bc youre upset over something that isnt 'god awful'

[young swan]

can catalyze gloves

[buoyant salmon]

6 unique item slots is already not god awful in my books

[young swan]

feel like any vault with myth track tier on w2 is pretty good

[buoyant salmon]

i had 3 cloaks

[clever belfry]

do i even get out of bed

lego still bugged

[subtle lagoon]

Yeah that's what I'm doing, still don't have full tier tho

[buoyant salmon]

no ur vault is shit anda

[young swan]

no

[young swan]

yeah idk, id take that

[clever belfry]

Itll pop

[young swan]

and be happy about it

[clever belfry]

let me show u.

[young swan]

like sure its not ashkandur, rings, giga bis trinkets but like

ur gonna buy those anyways

[fringe flame]

I figured it out with a Global Condition with if Attackable Target false then Alpha set to 0%

[fringe flame]

Boomkin is worse than this

[clever belfry]

https://i.imgur.com/lMc0Oha.png

its oka<y

[buoyant salmon]

dogshitass vault

[clever belfry]

probs just legs angle

[elfin hatch]

what embellishments for m+ fellow warriors?

[subtle lagoon]

Dragon games equipment pooggggg

[elfin hatch]

vers wrist and shadowflame boots?

[clever belfry]

+300 over my random 509 trinekts 😎

[subtle lagoon]

at 522? sheeeeeesh

Wonder what blizzard was thinking when designing that particular trinket

[buoyant salmon]

"people really loved xanesh"

[clever belfry]

won on monk tho

[buoyant salmon]

u smell bad

[clever belfry]

time to buy vakash on my monk

yep

[buoyant salmon]

what vakash

no djaruun?

[young swan]

think vakash is the amirdrassil special one

[wispy laurel]

upgrading legendary is still worth

by now ?

[prime charm]

So lets think about this one.......Fury has been dicked so hard. Lego acquistion in S3 was a time consuming slog and now the implementation of the upgrade system to it is broken despite PTR test warnings. The S2 tier set implementation in S4 is a shit show due to certain 'infulencers' on the community. The lack of utilty in S4 due to the loss of Shockwave unless you want an even bigger DPS loss. TWW shaping up to be yet another shit show based on the lack of a proper re-work, weak ass hero talents and i suspect the lack of any sort of subject matter expert in the fury warrior class design team.

[buoyant salmon]

not reading that

[open wigeon]

If you have a legendary, you do average damage. If you don't have a legendary, you are fucked

[young swan]

TWW shaping up to be yet another shit show based on the lack of a proper re-work, weak ass hero talents and i suspect the lack of any sort of subject matter expert in the fury warrior class design team. not even 3rd week alpha btw

[buoyant salmon]

i saw the word shockwave so i just knew it was gonna be some annoying shit to read

[sudden tusk]

they cant even fix our lego on retail

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[median wadi]

S3 gave some hope to Fury. S4 shot it all down.

[buoyant salmon]

the season JUST started'

the evoker legendary is fucked too lol

[subtle lagoon]

Ptr is just a marketing stunt to get player engagement

[young swan]

[sinful mantle]

Anyone else having issues with trying to macro in TR? It just won't cast :\

[open wigeon]

I do half of my effort to play arms and still do more damage than when I play full focused fury lol

[buoyant salmon]

how are you macroing it

[willow patrol]

question re: irideus fragment

sims say its better than might of the ocean (506, unupgraded hero track vs fully upgraded might of ocean 483)

but its 3 min cd and i know its fucky, but do i still go with the fragment?

since its only available for one burst window

every other*

[narrow steppe]

is it still mast/vers for m+ generally?

[young swan]

ravager and TR are both on gcd

cant have them both

[sinful mantle]

Even if I spam the button after, nothing will happen

[young swan]

its not a cast sequence macro

[cyan creek]

we know how to get past 502 on the lego yet?

[young swan]

you cant

bugged

[subtle lagoon]

Still bugged because indie company

[cyan creek]

lameee

[subtle lagoon]

cut em some slack

[young swan]

multi dollar company

[subtle lagoon]

Can't blame bobby anymore

[clever belfry]

@young swan vakussy ringus

[young swan]

wtf

give

[clever belfry]

no :)

[fickle bone]

what do

[vague moon]

is leggo 2x bullion for rank up or what?

[summer quail]

leggo upgrade bugged atm

[vague moon]

oh ofc

[fringe flame]

It's probably not optimal, but for my personal convenience, I macro'd Reck+Ravager and then did a second macro for Avatar+Roar.

[edgy widget]

make that second macro Avatar + Reck for the pull

So you Ava + Reck on pull & every 90s
then use your Reck & Rav macro every ~30s or whenever they come up

[calm mantle]

Lego still bugged 14 hours after patch hmm

[edgy widget]

weekly reset angle!

[mild flicker]

If you don’t have legendary, would Askhandur be the best buy for bullion this week?

[calm mantle]

As compensation Lego shoo ups be free to upgrade to like 523 minimum

[sudden thicket]

Do I take weapon here (gnarlroot one has speed)? or do I lock in never-replace mythic gloves, since I need it to make 4p, and neltharion weapon exists?

[elfin hatch]

Hey what embellishments we use for m+? What trinkets would u suggest for m+? Augury and puzzle?

[proud vessel]

Check the pins

[tall steppe]

When do i switch s3 tier? at 2+2 or 4set s4?

[rocky geyser]

guys i have a stupid question

why does my raging blow cost rage all of a sudden

[young swan]

??

[rocky geyser]

yh

i recently got new 4-set

[young swan]

yeah so raging blow literally never costs rage

[rocky geyser]

en for some reason, casting raging blow for some reason costs rage instead of generating

[red berry]

that doesn't sound right at all

i don't even think there's talents that make it cost rage

[rocky geyser]

i know, thats why im lost

[young swan]

can u send a clip?

hit a dummy and record it or something

[vocal igloo]

make sure you're not pressing like slam for example thinking you're pressing raging blow

[young swan]

^

[vocal igloo]

cause it's macroed or something

[static spire]

has the legendary bug been fixed? Where you can't upgrade it past 502?

[rocky geyser]

aah i got it haha

i forgot a made a macro last tier hahahahaha

[young swan]

no

[static spire]

rip

[wispy dock]

Can I macro reck/avatar?

[rocky geyser]

it was slam, with a tooltip of raging blow since it looked nice

[fickle bone]

xD

[young swan]

yeah

[wispy dock]

Mmmk thanks papa xan

[vocal igloo]

you sim it and find out; for me i'm not even switching to new 4pc because it's simming 4k dps lower despite being 5ilvls higher

[tall turret]

hmm brand sims much the highest but i can get that with bullions at some point

[young swan]

ur either taking brand or filial

both are getting bullioned eventually

[elfin hatch]

?

[tall turret]

true

[young swan]

no idea i dont do m+ in s4

prob vers wrists + 1

trinkets prob like puzzle box + icon or oce or something

you could do something funky with ashes as well

[sand idol]

Doubting if i should pick the trinket for M+ content…
You knever know if my tank and healet will get this trinket anytime soon tho.. what you recommend.. tier piece, or gamble on trinket?

[olive wraith]

Trink isn’t a bad pick. Getting 4p is pretty good though (especially if you gonna arms)

[nocturne carbon]

buy trinket off vendor cause it comes myth track, unless you know 100% tank/healer combo at all times

[scarlet pewter]

cant decide...

[young swan]

cant buy mythic tier with a coin

just a matter of whether you want the short term big uppie or long term bis

[eternal sundial]

@young swanis it fixed

[young swan]

no

[scarlet pewter]

I am more on the side of mythic tier too and it has avoidance as well.

[young swan]

mythic tier

not even close

[abstract dirge]

after applying scale of awakening shouldnt we be able to upgrade leggo furtherlik we do any other item with flighstones?

[young swan]

its bugged

[gusty compass]

Where is the fated raid vendor located in Valdrakken?

[abstract dirge]

so did ui fuck myself by using it

[young swan]

no

its just not fixed yet

[young swan]

https://discord.com/channels/148872210742771712/1234949058121171069

[eternal sundial]

xan tell me to ignore my sim (guzzler) and pick sockies for ilvl on tier

[young swan]

think id take mythical gloves

for cata

[long smelt]

is fury gonna get buffed or is arms just btr now?

[young swan]

who knows

even if fury gets buffed arms is prob still gonna be better

[long smelt]

ok ty the new set just makes me lose dps its so weird

[buoyant cape]

in raid or keys or both?

[long smelt]

raid mostly

havent done much keys yet

[royal swan]

Is the legendary bug seriously still not fixed ?

[radiant spruce]

hmmm

i think

[long smelt]

yes its still broke

[celest osprey]

is there only just the 1 build for fury as it states on wowhead with s4 gear?

[radiant spruce]

i have to buy leggy upgrade with my 2 burillon right ?

[long smelt]

yup

[radiant spruce]

nothing else ?

[long smelt]

ya nth else just that scales of awkening

[radiant spruce]

i mean

[young swan]

wouldnt get my hopes up for it being fixed before next reset

[radiant spruce]

i got fking lucky with the timewalk weekly 😄

[graceful drift]

Hey guys, i got a question: Isnt Recklessness adding 20% Crit towards our New Set-Bonus? If yes, shouldnt it add these 20% to the WA for our Ka-Ching BT?

[radiant spruce]

btw which leggy bug ?

[graceful drift]

Or am I missing something here

[unreal crane]

and so it begins again. New season bad vaults..guess ill take the shoulder and catalyst it

[sullen dove]

it does

[abstract dirge]

we run shockwave still with s4 tierset according to wowhead? not intimidating shout?

[young swan]

you cant upgrade it after using the scales on it

[vague moon]

you can run both tho

[graceful drift]

could it be a language issue then? Cuz i just activated Reck to test it and im sitting on my 36% from last season

[vague moon]

just dont take crushing force

[abstract dirge]

ik, but s2 we jsut ran shout

[vague moon]

with s4 yea

[young swan]

we dont talent that

[vague moon]

i missread

s4

[mossy fox]

iirc the wowhead build has honed reflexes - drop that and take fear if you want

[unreal crane]

I assume they didn't fix leggo upgrade yet right

[mossy fox]

not yet

wouldnt get my hopes up baaed on blizzard's wording

panic if not fixed for next weekly reset

[unreal crane]

guess we're on a waiting list with grabing the scale

[sullen dove]

fuck the upgrades just force leggos to be 535

simple as

[spare cargo]

guys how many bullions will we get total?

[eternal sundial]

12

[barren ore]

there was a 12 in brackets behind it's name in the PTR.

lines up with the expansion release in late August / September

[chrome plover]

how much does fyralath cost to go from level 1 to max

I saw they reduced flightstone cost

[mossy fox]

was it 1900? since bullion items cost half

[chrome plover]

perfect I have cap

how many aspects

[mossy fox]

still bugged tho so cant send upgrades

[chrome plover]

oh? what bug

[radiant coyote]

holding flighstones for "some time"

[mossy fox]

if you have no crest discounts it's 90 aspects

[chrome plover]

I have a 515 weapon so that just cuts out wyrms right

[plucky ice]

beta test btw

[mossy fox]

just isnt possible to put in item upgrade npc window

[eternal sundial]

☹️

[mossy fox]

they forgot to add the tag or something to make it upgradeable

[chrome plover]

thought na were meant to beta test for us

sigh

[mossy fox]

and now apparently the fix will take some time

[unreal crane]

i assume if you have a 515 weapon already ugpraded fyra will have discount or smth wheneever that gets fixed

[chrome plover]

Classic

[grizzled shard]

enough time to get another bullion you reckon or still full send for leggo upgrade?

[chrome plover]

yeah up to 515

[chrome plover]

No way it takes 2 weeks

[sullen dove]

L

[timber warren]

is augury a safe choice for bullion spending if we dont have leggo yet and want to do both m+ and raiding?

[fathom valley]

Quick doubt, in m+ is it better to go a modified version of raid mt arms or is fury more or less equal?

[lean wasp]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOBS

[wheat cradle]

double 2 piece is simming higher than 4 piece rt?

[long smelt]

i think ur gonna need champion to hero track before the 4pc is btr lol

[wheat cradle]

anger management with 2 pc 2 pc?

[gusty compass]

Should you go for upgrading legendary weapon first or buy some items?

[long smelt]

for me 2pc 2pc is worse than the 4pc

[long smelt]

u should be upgrading legend first but the upgrade is bugged rn so after u use the item u cant upgrade it further

[gusty compass]

FUCK! I JUST USED IT

Fuck me...

[long smelt]

its fine i dont think its a big mistake

if blizz somehow fixes it next reset

[calm mantle]

I'm sure they'll hotfix it for EU update

[iron pagoda]

they did not

[latent radish]

Guys - What item are you picking for your first buillions? Are you going for make the leggo upgradable or going for trinket/ring ?

[chrome plover]

it surely doesnt take them until reset to fix right

[long smelt]

most ppl picked the lego upgrade

[chrome plover]

so do lego

[copper lily]

Nope, still broken for EU as well

[radiant spruce]

is it normal that nobody wants warris in m+ grps 😄

pugging is so hard to get into a grp

[frozen latch]

What does indestructible mean?

[oblique trail]

it wont lose durability

[dark elbow]

less repair cost

[frozen latch]

wow cool

[long smelt]

its always been not the easiest but now with a crap tier set

[frozen latch]

thank you

[long smelt]

other classes got nice buffs to their tier

and got more utility

[radiant spruce]

yeah :/

unlucky

[long smelt]

and this tier set hurts survivability

[fresh creek]

guys question with the buugg to leggo upgrading is it better to upgrade the opther weap we have so we can earn more flighstones?

[chrome plover]

being dps is a bigger issue than being warrior

there's 100+ dps signups for every tank/healer

and some of those will have much higher score and ilvl than you

just the way it is

[long smelt]

i did since i dont wanna waste any flightstones ill get this week

[proud vessel]

Do i take tier piece or trinket?

[eternal sundial]

hc leg tier aware

[chrome plover]

I'm probably just gonna send 1 upgrade when I am about to hit flightstone cap

until it's fixed

[fresh creek]

wow what a shit vault

[proud vessel]

Thanks

[chrome plover]

oce is pretty good

how is ur tier looking rn

[fresh creek]

talking boiut my vauult srr

[proud vessel]

got 1 piece

So legs would be my second

[chrome plover]

catalyst/token?

available

[proud vessel]

have 1 piece ready to be catalysted

xD

[rotund ginkgo]

the choice is clear, no? (ring)

its mythic

[chrome plover]

yes

very clear

[eternal sundial]

always easy

[rotund ginkgo]

:3

:3

[chrome plover]

gz

[rotund ginkgo]

week 1 uwu

[chrome plover]

and the mark of mastery?

and also do you only play fury

[proud vessel]

only play fury

[chrome plover]

cos if you only play fury probs just wait for tier

[proud vessel]

Dont have mark of mastery

[rotund ginkgo]

get it then

ez

[chrome plover]

yeah your 2k score this week gets token

i would take trinky

even if you wont get 2k score i'd still be happy to wait for fury tier, it's really nothing special

[proud vessel]

So then i could get mark for 1 tier, another tier is in my back and i need to run hc and pray for 2 more pieces or some m+ gear luck to get tier set next week

And get trinket now

[chrome plover]

you said you had 1 piece already

and you have 2 catalyst pieces

and mark

that's 4

[proud vessel]

Yh i ment i have 1 in my back ready to be changed into tier my bad

[red berry]

having to spend upgrade tokens on a legendary that cost us hundreds of thousands of gold is p dog tho

[chrome plover]

no it isnt

[chrome plover]

oh okay mb

i still think trinket is worth

then you buy augury with next bullion and you're chilling for a while

[radiant spruce]

i have only 2 pc :/

with token 3

[lean wasp]

dude why is npc not letting me upgrade leggo ?

[chrome plover]

bugged

[long smelt]

u should sim to see if new tier actually makes a big diff lol

[chrome plover]

aware

[proud vessel]

gotcha

Ill run hc real quick to see if i get trinket otherwise ill get trinket

[chrome plover]

smart

hc sark will also give you token instead of 2k score

if that's doable

[long smelt]

if u using s3 set u can prolly clear heroic just fine lol

[obtuse karma]

wtf completing heroic aberus will give another mastery token?

[chrome plover]

not another one

only if you didn’t do raz last week

I was responding to a guy who didn’t have it yet

[long smelt]

yup my dmg is worse than s3

because ppl just really hated bloodthirst

and like angermanagement

so there goes our st out the window

for marginally btr aoe

[vapid mulch]

Hahahaha

[jovial coral]

Skill issue innit

[vapid mulch]

Hive mind is stupid af who knew

[chrome plover]

It should be roughly the same I think you just need to play with it more

[obtuse karma]

for sure i dont really have a choice xd

[long smelt]

nah just use s3 till the end lol

[copper lily]

I can't figure this out, does anyone know how I get this to show at 6/6 Hero?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=217218/thraexhelm-of-the-onyx-crucible?bonus=9639

[oblique trail]

What are you trying to do

[jovial coral]

You

[copper lily]

Just trying to get the string to put in raidbots

But as 6/6 hero

[oblique trail]

Just input it at the top of top gear

There's no reason to try and get strings anymore

[obtuse karma]

nah this tier set aint it. lost alot of kick. 0 burst

willing to fight anyone who voted for this

without gloves

[oblique trail]

In case you're curious

[chrome plover]

I voted s3 but I'm glad s2 won

[copper lily]

Ah nice one

[chrome plover]

so we can fight if you want

[long smelt]

i mean if they balanced the tier properly

reduce the stacks needed

buff the dmg per stack

it coulda felt btr

but all they did was minor number tweaks

[chrome plover]

oh that's kinda op

that's why they put gear compare in the "outdated" section or w/e?

[oblique trail]

Yes

[chrome plover]

[hardy cargo]

yeah this goes so hard I did ti when trying to sim my mark of mastery choice

[fresh creek]

why does everyone hate on the tier set w<e have now we voted for it no?

[olive wraith]

Cause it’s worse damage wise than s3

[chrome plover]

because it's weak, that's literally the only reason

[long smelt]

if it did btr dmg u may hate the playstyle

[hardy cargo]

bc blizzard fucked up tuning it

[long smelt]

but ud play cause u do good dmg

[olive wraith]

I liked s3

And it did good dmg

[chrome plover]

s3 was fine but I much prefer this

[long smelt]

playstyle is honestly not a big issue

if its dmg is good

but its bad

[hardy cargo]

though tbf idk how they would tune s4 tier for raid and not make it busted for keys

[oblique trail]

Primary target moment

Although then it'd just devolve into S3 set with different steps

[hardy cargo]

yea thats what I was thinkin lol

[olive wraith]

Woulda been easier to just crank up s3 aoe

[hardy cargo]

which I guess thatd be fine as long as the crit part still cleaves

[long smelt]

wars alrdy arent top choice for keys so why not make it a bit busted

[obtuse karma]

normal upgrade npc doesnt work

[long smelt]

thats broken

wait for a fix

we cant catch a break

[obtuse karma]

cant upgrade it cause its still treated like a lego by the npc

[proud vessel]

@chrome plover https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sE6MpEN6z2ckHyamGQ6xqx

[grizzled wadi]

Do this WA https://wago.io/KjJjM1Ttd have the "kaching !" sound when >95% ?

[chrome plover]

yeah i guess without allied buffs it's gonna be worse than 33 illvl on legs

but you can get hero legs from a key with actual good stats and upgrade them

and the trinket probably wins compared to them

[lean wasp]

any chance fury will have a comeback or are we doomed ?

[chrome plover]

ofc there's a chance blizzard will buff

just hopium

[forest owl]

hold up, 502 S3 sim 287k dps...508 S4 sim 290k

[chrome plover]

"doomed" is a pretty ridiculous term I'll clear all three raids on mythic and do decent level keys on fury, nothing is "doomed" 🤷‍♂️

[chrome plover]

welcome to season 4

[opal monolith]

atleast ur not simming less

like me

with the same ilvl bump

[forest owl]

that sucks ass they better tune it

[opal monolith]

I cant wait

for someone to catch someone shilling this tier few months ago

and then being caught complaining now

[long smelt]

the mistake was trusting blizz to balance it correctly

[iron shell]

I was just testing this and came here to see… s3 2 set is better than s4 2 set. I’m not crazy lol

[long smelt]

yup it do be like that

[iron shell]

Can’t dps and prot getting passed over like a dps.. gona be a long season lol

[chrome plover]

so can i get mythic ashkandur in my raid vault

or augury

[oblique trail]

You can

[chrome plover]

is that only if i killed the bosses before or is it full unlock full random

[oblique trail]

Full random

[calm mantle]

Resorting to normal raid for tier D:

[chrome plover]

holy

[oblique trail]

I got Aberrus items on my Warrior I hadn't cleared Mythic Aberrus on before

[chrome plover]

eranog ring and icon just got a bit less likely

[subtle lagoon]

Bro fuck it just make it busted for keys, look at paladins and their rework. "st buff for raid" but then they end up decimating in keys

[hollow elk]

did blizz fix lego upgrading yet

[small scarab]

Who ever voted for the season 2 tier to come back, i hope your pillow stay warm when you flip it over

[chrome plover]

no

[iron shell]

💯

[opal monolith]

so for ST s2 tier sims lower than s3, and for aoe 2p 2p sims higher even with lower ilvl pieces

am i fucking up something

or is this just what it is

[subtle lagoon]

People voted with the assumption that blizzard would do their job, didn't matter which tier won

[small scarab]

Nope, its just better, a fully 10 stack blood thirst with s2 dose arround 200k 230 maybe? and takes arround 20 seconds to stack up maybe less with herso and good crits, now for 3 free odyns fury blood bath outside of execute phase crits for 300-350k and we get 6 of them in a row on burst

[long smelt]

nah theyll just play arms lol

[chrome plover]

what logic is that, if they tuned 10 stack bloodthirst to do 10x the damage it would be better

it's always tuning

[long smelt]

solution is dont give players the option to vote

if they cant tune shit properly

[opal monolith]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kcw8RQDtCkXMToXGesiEXs

did i mess up

or its rly this depressing?

[hollow elk]

im literally doing less dps with t4 set than with t3 heh

[long smelt]

nope it is just depression

[hollow elk]

meanwhile im doing over 308k as arms cleave

[chrome plover]

but now players are blaming each other for blizzard's inability to tune

actually smart

[grizzled wadi]

Yep that's all they deserve.

[chrome plover]

takes the heat off blizzard

[hollow elk]

blizzard deserves all the blame for letting players pick stuff when 90% of their playerbase dont know what the fuck theya re doing lol

[fresh creek]

well then we are better off playing arms?? 😄

[long smelt]

u right they were tired of ppl blaming them so they pit us against each other lol

[grizzled wadi]

Sorry but I never unlocked the Arm spec so I'm stuck playing Fury.

And I never unlocked other classes too.

[chrome plover]

some of the best warriors in the world were advocating for season 2 btw

[small scarab]

ofc they where, they are al arms

[hollow elk]

arms is better for everything but one single nitche build that uses the mastery embelishments and its literally by less than 1% and ASUMING that hte embelishment is active for more than 60% of the time

[fresh creek]

i am def not going arms hate the playstyle of arms

[hollow elk]

achie wasnt

all that matters

[grizzled wadi]

Yep Arms gameplay is made for elder persons.

[chrome plover]

they didnt vote for a shit tier set so they could play arms, they like playing fury too

[small scarab]

and thats why we sit back with the finger crippling spam spec that dose less then the old one? 😄

[hollow elk]

people that voted tier 2 literally coping by saying they played for gameplay.

but like s2 fury was rb spamming with rampage until you filled a crit bar for blood thirst... i dont know how anyone liked that

[opal monolith]

Is arms hard to play

It might be time

[forest owl]

mate get over it, others like different playstyles to you jesus

[calm mantle]

Amazing, I have mythic legs and the only tier piece i can get to drop is legs on normal raid..

[chrome plover]

im hyped to play season 2 set all season i like it a lot

[subtle lagoon]

I saw the bt loop icing on the cake, the main thing that made s2 good was how good it worked with AM and rav/reck. Plus onslaught shits on slam.

[hollow elk]

arms easier than fury actually

just learn the skill prio and youre set

[chrome plover]

i didnt even vote for it

but i didnt know how much i missed it

[small scarab]

if blizzard was so adamant of giving us access to every raid item with the Bullions why not just make every tier set avaiable so everyone could be happy and have what they wanted?

[opal monolith]

Never thought id see the day but i think i might go arms for the rest of the season

[hollow elk]

they should have made tier picking into the shadowlands covenant style . let you pick and then lock you into it for the 4 months. watch people fuck up pick s2 then remake chars or switch mains for the season

[long smelt]

i do get ppl being tired of s3 and wanting to change it up

and some ppl like s2

[opal monolith]

I mean i agree aswell i was excited for a change in play style but not when it sims 40K less than my ret pala without fyralath

[hard widget]

It was announced that tier sets would be equally tuned, people preferred the season 2 gamestyle. Majority of votes into season 2. Complaining about it wont change it back to season 3 set