no... please...
#fury
desert cloud
I was gearing up for fury but not much diff
spiral sonnet
im guessing wowhead is all up to date with the builds etc
hard widget
Can confirm
desert cloud
How does fking arms manage to be better than fury every season ?
sullen dove
i mean it wasnt last season
desert cloud
Only because of aoe
sullen dove
but raid was practically designed for fury
desert cloud
But ST they did more dmmg
left perch
it’s kind of fun that some classes got to vote for both playstyle AND damage in a single vote
sullen dove
and arms didnt even pull ahead on st till like halfway thru the patch
and by that point it was only by like 5k
nothing like the current gap
tomorrow is the day guys 
buoyant mica
ok so is it about accurate to say that arms is about 8-10% better than fury in ST, and in AOE arms is better than fury on huge pulls but fury is equal or abit better than arms in medium size pulls?
sullen dove
ya probably realistic enough
torpid sand
did a small sim using 2p + 2p since raidbots said it was my biggest DPS profile.
first sim with new talents: 296k DPS
second sim with s3 talents: 335k DPS
god there must be something wrong
this is a 40k difference
sullen dove
i mean, s3 talents actually functions with 2pc/2pc
frank dawn
2p + 2p only works with OF
sullen dove
where if youre full s4 talents
frank dawn
so, yeah
frank dawn
^
frank dawn
silent aurora
little question for ravager if i use avatar after i throw ravager does it get the +20% damage ?
silent aurora
k ty
left perch
snaps out of the game except like ES ret and feral frenzy I think
main merlin
think there is any chance we get buffed enough tomorrow? arms is fun but also not if that makes sense
red berry
they would've announced some stuff already i think
like its been said we're probably not getting tuning until after TGP but
when blizzard promises 'tuning' they really never, ever, deliver
main merlin
so for someone who prob wont be raiding mythics is it even worth it to sweat
supple tangle
Tuning is coming with 10.2.7
frank dawn
what makes you say that
supple tangle
Just a guess, since there are no news for tomorrow.
spiral idol
fury's barely been tuned all expac. i wouldn't bank on it happening now
frank dawn
I mean maybe, but still...the change in a single week is pretty drastic
and in theory is going to get a lot worse as most people get thier new bonuses next week
but uh, at least we're not druids I guess lmao
south kayak
Or assassination rogue
marble pilot
As someone without legendary, Ashkandur or Augury with the bullion tomorrow?
split coyote
Depends how close you are to the guarantee leggo of 15 weeks of heroic kills
marble pilot
Oh no where near close. I dont play much. Normal raids and some m+
frank dawn
If you’re gonna kill Nelth might at least wait and see if you get the sword naturally
Since it’s on rotation next week
marble pilot
I should kill him on Tuesday. But it would be normal version where bullion version can get higher ilvl right?
split coyote
Yes if you have access to the aspect crests to bump it all the way up
frank dawn
Yeah bullion has higher upgrade cap
marble pilot
I think ill be able to get some. Im still using 476 weapons so I feel like ash is a big upgrade. But I could get weapons anytime where as Augury is probably a rarer find for me
frank dawn
Can always be your next buy
modest condor
if you're only gonna do normal then i would buy ashkandur first
marble pilot
Thanks I was leaning that way. I might wait till after raid just in case I get one there. Overall isnt a huge deal though. Just time.
olive wraith
As someone without legendary, Ashkandur or Augury with the bullion tomorrow?
Run raid first before getting ashcandi
rocky wharf
whats a goodt rare to camp and alt tab for taut quest? not feeling this flying around like a helicopter thing i got going
frail cave
not sure if this goes in the arms chat or this one
but is it worth to try out arms?
like in my raid the 2 arms warrior always has me on like 10-15k dps
is fury just not as well as arms is doing ?
oblique trail
Not this season no
In raid, Arms will be the general go to, with maybe a few exceptions where Fury would be slightly better
frail cave
what about in keys?
oblique trail
In keys both are good, but Arms will pull ahead
Especially the bigger the pulls get
frail cave
last time i tried arms was SL s1... ive been fury ever since
big reason i was thinking dipping my toes into trying arms since i have leggo
olive wraith
It’s kinda nice only worrying about 1 wep
But also if you care about performance arms atm is just better
frail cave
i guess my next question is: what is the biggest problem fury has right now?
oblique trail
Arms
But for real, you're tanky and do good damage with frequent CDs, but you're target capped so big pulls (which will be more and more often) you're just gonna fall behind
olive wraith
Fury is just weaker in general than most classes.
Still has its niche of not losing too much st damage when going into m+ talents though
But also the st it has isn’t exactly good
frail cave
i suppose all im looking for is consistent damage both in raid and keys
oblique trail
well both specs have an incredibly flat damage profile right now
so it's the definition of consistent
frail cave
okay
oblique trail
Memes aside though, both specs will give you consistent damage
But it's just a case of do you value fun vs performance
olive wraith
whats the min ilv to start doing raiding
There is no real minimum it’s a question of if you can get invited
fallen pecan
There is no real minimum it’s a question of if you can get invited
oh ye just that in shadowlands i kinda just did the casual shit / mythic dungeons / lfr
so i dont really know whats like baseline
frail cave
But it's just a case of do you value fun vs performance
okay i think i understand now
i like the fantasy-idea of having 2 big weapons
so for now im gonna stay with fury and see how my season plays out
olive wraith
oh ye just that in shadowlands i kinda just did the casual shit / mythic dungeon...
Lfr drops 480 gear normal drops 496? I think
fallen pecan
Lfr drops 480 gear normal drops 496? I think
got it
quiet geyser
i suppose all im looking for is consistent damage both in raid and keys
Its consistent, just consistently bad 
south kayak
half cargo
Only thing fury has going for it is survivability with less effort
And I hope they gut that at some point
So the choice between specs becomes one of playstyle/damage profile
upbeat sentinel
Lfr drops 480 gear normal drops 496? I think
Depends on the boss as always but ya
upbeat sentinel
And I hope they gut that at some point
Gutting a spec of everything but it’s damage profile seems pretty boring
half cargo
I did mention playstyle as well
upbeat sentinel
Ya but specs having variable survivability, mobility, and utility seems good for them bringing smth different to the table
half cargo
Like, you choose the one that pumps more dam, great. You choose the one that is more fun to play, great. But setting both those aside and just going for the easier one to live with kinda feels bad
I know a couple of trials that were expected to play fury on fyrakk when they were arms mains. I myself went fury on fyrakk solely to take a load off healers
half cargo
Ya but specs having variable survivability, mobility, and utility seems good for...
I do agree with this to an extent
high basin
for me its usually the other way around xd
half cargo
for me its usually the other way around xd
Fury asked to play arms? Feel like that’s been pretty rare this expac
Only ones I can think of are raszageth and council in amirdrassil
And one of those is a meme
young swan
arms for zaqali was pretty common
half cargo
Ah, I missed that
digital crest
i'm seeing builds that seem to focus on having either the s3 set complete or the s4 set complete, where's the "I'm a fresh dumbass Fury warrior" spec?
left perch
Fury asked to play arms? Feel like that’s been pretty rare this expac
Jailer need mortal strike 
half cargo
modest condor
just bring a hunter
sullen dove
i'm seeing builds that seem to focus on having either the s3 set complete or the...
S4 talents if you have no set
high basin
Fury asked to play arms? Feel like that’s been pretty rare this expac
yeah, i was asked to play arms on zaqali, neltharion and sark
half cargo
Sark is an odd choice tbh
Fury lives p1 much easier and shredded p2
Maybe I’m missing something
half cargo
We did it post nerf so the check was minor
(I say this while on our kill we all died except the blood dk)
high basin
a win is a win
modest condor
escape > exit game
robust basin
Fury worgen warrior is Bis
modest condor
he said furry not fury
robust basin
What’s the difference?
modest condor
an r
clever belfry
and fur
left perch
@young swan could you mute a certain warrior here for posting cat stab smug
clever belfry
i can, as u can clearly see
oblique trail
optimal furry warrior opener ? (i play worgen)
Spam sieben
hallow sphinx
clever belfry
Spam sieben
Sieben is bound to wirbelwind, thank u!!
modest condor
you have sieben bound?
clever belfry
fuck no
on classes with regular ress that is ress for me
idk what, even if, it's bound on my warr
covert blaze
I have 6 for extra action button
clever belfry
Fünf is Focus mark macro
covert blaze
7 is too much
clever belfry
6 is drink on mana classes
worn oriole
why does @player does not work?
#showtooltip [known:384318] Thunderous Roar; [known: 376079] Spear of Bastion
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Avatar
/cast Recklessness
/cast [known:384318] Thunderous Roar; [known: 376079,@player] Champion's Spear
clever belfry
unbound on melee
modest condor
because we dont have an ability called spear of bastion
clever belfry
Champion's Spear
olive wraith
Spear of bastion? Never heard of that one before 
covert blaze
nerf bastion
clever belfry
spear of bastion = okay cause it had impact
champs spear = ewww stinky
worn oriole
champions spear
clever belfry
nerf bastion
silence
worn oriole
any advise habibis? 🙂
modest condor
we also dont have an ability called dragon roar
dense elbow
we will not recover
worn oriole
we also dont have an ability called dragon roar
better? 😄
modest condor
that should work
oh you still have spear of bastion in the showtooltip
but i tried the line myself and it was using spear just fine
soft bone
what's our stat prio now? Haste > Mastery > Versatility > Critical Strike?
modest condor
not crit > crit
soft bone
thx
feral ivy
anyone know how much crest for tomorrow to make fyrak max ilvl?
modest condor
worn oriole
that should work
thx mate
feral ivy
https://www.wowhead.com/news/flightstone-costs-for-upgrading-legendaries-and-wea...
tyty oh god this is usefull
willow patrol
any of you debated on going for arms after seeing s2 set? i didnt play S2, but i played s1/s3 as fury and i feel like S2 looks pretty boring compared to s3
deep hare
no
olive wraith
any of you debated on going for arms after seeing s2 set? i didnt play S2, but i...
Not a debate I’m going arms
wraith wharf
covert blaze
full portal
anyone know why accelerating sandglass is not on bloodmallet?
feral ivy
remeber u can do this as well tomorrow to help out with flight stones go to the plunderstorm guy. cost 1 "keg-something" u should have some. 50 flightstone per
random raptor
what's that currency?
feral ivy
1 keg thingy
random raptor
nevermind, I never played plunderstorm ty for informing ujs
feral ivy
i just bought 15
stone stirrup
how many renown levels to get that?
feral ivy
im max 40 but idk how i got so many currency
young swan
u just get them for turning in a quest
i was renown like 5 or something and i got 15 as well
feral ivy
btw that currency guy goes away tonight
olive wraith
What is that currency
frank dawn
where is that dumb vendor
olive wraith
lol I should read first
feral ivy
next to innkeeper
olive wraith
Gross plunder
feral ivy
1st floor allthe way in the back next to bird
earnest sorrel
hey yall ive been looking for an alt and everyone is saying Arms is super fun this patch my question is how complicated is it? im currently playing dev evoker and its braindead ez but ive been a windwalker/BRM monk main since MoP
if you had to scale it between Devoker and monk in terms of complicatedness
earnest sorrel
arms is pretty braindead
2 more questions. 1)how big of a disadvantage is it not having the leggo? and 2) any decent youtube guides you can recommend i cant read
young swan
2 more questions. 1)how big of a disadvantage is it not having the leggo? and 2)...
lego is roughly 8% dps I think? its pretty sizable but you can definitely be fine without it (assuming you have at least a hero track weapon)
I think ninommo has a short and sweet arms warrior guide
just search like arms warrior guide 10.2.6
feral ivy
do no transmog s3 and s4 use s4 rotations? lol i just thought of this
earnest sorrel
cool ty ty
keen kindle
do no transmog s3 and s4 use s4 rotations? lol i just thought of this
....explain?
feral ivy
like i have s3 tier piece and still running that rotations. s4 with s4 tier has a different rotation. what rotation do new warriors with no tier piece do
prob a stupid question just wondering tho
keen kindle
use RB
A. You'll end up using it anyways B. RB does a lot more damage then Anni pre S3 tier
brittle crow
gusty sundial
I forgot how much I hate season 2 tier set rotation
left perch
who is Christie
gusty sundial
who is Christie
one of their better writers
torpid sand
Did 80M less damage in a Halls of Infusion and got called shitcan and told to not create groups anymore to not be carried
glass coyote
so whos the fury master around here? lol. i'm having a tough go uping my numbers.
torpid sand
recovered my pride in a +8 brackenhide
feral ivy
lets goooo. i did a 9 and overall dmg was 258 😦
left perch
one of their better writers
TIL blizzard had writers
runic vessel
i recently swapped to warrior for the season and next xpac , is fury just bad right now for keys or am i just little bit acoustic cant seem to hang against some people granted i dont have the leggo but 2 512 weapons
modest condor
im pretty sure a 512 weapon is better than a 496 legendary, or at least comparable, so that's not it
fury is giga undertuned right now, but it can also just be unfamiliarty with a new spec
crystal raptor
modest condor
hell, i've been playing fury for years and i still need a couple of dungeons to get used to the s2 playstyle again
because it has negative synergy with the tierset
also near 100% uptime on recklessness which gives you 20% crit already
runic vessel
yea this tier set choice seems like a meme
modest condor
blizzard told us not to choose for tuning but for playstyle so we did
and then they put a bandaid on the tierset and called it a day
runic vessel
hopefully they tune some damage i love the class just dont want to get "carried" in damage
modest condor
with the current m+ meta i think no matter how they tune us we'll always be carried in some way because we're target capped
best we can hope for is good prio damage
gusty sundial
hell, i've been playing fury for years and i still need a couple of dungeons to ...
I genuinely hate it, I don't understand how this is the one we got lol. S3 felt so nice to me
modest condor
i hated s3 in m+
left perch
fury is giga undertuned right now, but it can also just be unfamiliarty with a n...
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gusty sundial
What made you hate it in M+? I thought it felt pretty good
modest condor
first and foremost, having a cooldown on whirlwind
second, our damage outside of cooldowns was actually beyond garbage
like sure you had the frequent OFs, but i mean inbetween those
you would do 150k dps or something
at least with the s2 build you have reck up and onslaught/rampage/buffed bts actually do decent cleave damage
rose bay
s3 is pull around every 30 second cd for giga damage and outside of it u feel like a firemage without combust
modest condor
well at least you press bt, in s1 you just completely ignored the button altogether
gusty sundial
onslaught is based, I can't deny that
gusty sundial
gonna be honest I don't even remember s1 lol
rose bay
;c
modest condor
increased execute crit chance and higher sd procrate
rose bay
pre s1 fury was funky 2
gusty sundial
oh yeah
that was so trash
it was like the tinest dps increase compared to everyone else's 4 set
modest condor
yeah lol
especially before we swapped to AM it was like 2% dps increase or something
with AM i think it was around 4%
rose bay
hopefully get 4 set next week so i can play rampage spam, damage may not be as good but atleast its fun!
and fast
gusty sundial
I swapped mine out tonight and it legit felt like my dps went down
but may just need to get used to it again
modest condor
your dps probably did go down unless you swapped to heroic tier pieces
gusty sundial
2 heroic, 1 normal, 1 lfr
from full mythic s3
which was still a 5 ilvl upgrade sheet wise
pretty cringe
frank dawn
the set is bad, this is known
modest condor
it would be faster if we had more freedom in our itemization 😠
when both weapons, 2 rings and 4 tier pieces are already locked in you're left with not much choice
i had more haste in s2 than i'll be able to get this season im pretty sure
gusty sundial
I'm probably just gonna go arms unless they change something. I'm hitting the target dummy with 4 set and bareely know what I'm even doing and am still higher ST lol
olive wraith
Archi did advocate for s3
rose bay
based archi
olive wraith
The opinions of this server are pretty split though
rose bay
dont blame em, s2 did feel really good 2 play
calm mantle
I don't want to give up my well fed ring but running a 486 ring feels bad.
rose bay
gunna be giving up both rings anyway
calm mantle
True, how much damage is food buff anyways? like if i die in an m+ am I missing out on much damage from not reapplying?
modest condor
someone calculated it back in shadowlands and i think it came out to be something like if you have less than 20 minutes left on the timer it's not worth it to eat if you died
calm mantle
Flavour pocket, which si what I ment by my well fed ring I just derped
rose bay
i refuse to use flavour poket due 2 lore reasons
for a while now, when u rezz u rezz hungry, in my mind that means whatever u ate also got rezzed
i will not keep that poor cow trapped
wraith wharf
heres how they really get the meat
rose bay
id imagine it may be one of those things where it takes more energy to heal then it is to grow it naturally or i feel like cattle would be dead
although we havent really seen a cow farm anywhere have we
chilly fractal
I don't want to give up my well fed ring but running a 486 ring feels bad.
yea I lost my Flavor pocket for Eggnog and Broodkeeper rings... I miss it
calm mantle
yea I lost my Flavor pocket for Eggnog and Broodkeeper rings... I miss it
You got both? screw you D:
left stream
olive wraith
Lel
outer cedar
In warcraft logs ranker use s3 set.. they are good than LFR season 4 set??
olive wraith
Rn s3 beats out lower ilvl s4 afaik
But higher ilvl s4 will pull ahead just cause extra stats
chilly fractal
imagine you upgrade your belt 489->528... thats the power increase from S3->S4 if your set pieces are going from 489->522
and thats losing a socket on that belt
left stream
and thats losing a socket on that belt
outer cedar
Um.. thank you ! I understand
quiet geyser
finally got new 4p. yay for a 5k dps loss with 8 higher ilvl
slim coral
tardy lark
Fury always did good at boss damage 
deep sapphire
Poggers! Fury Warrior near the bottom of DPS in vault. Thanks Season 2 enjoyers, you did it!
At least we beat out Aug Evoker, right guys?
torpid sand
deep sapphire
It’s almost like we had evidence how terrible the Season 2 Fury set was but idiots with their “but muh Anguh Manguhmunt”
modest condor
wow im so glad you realised that!
hardy cargo
good thing this season is very important and not just the last 3 raids copy pasted!!!
deep sapphire
Yeah, I love using pool noodles for weapons even in the “4fun” season.
tardy lark
I wish I could get this angry over a video game
deep sapphire
Complaining = angry. Got it.
modest condor
warrior nudle
tardy lark
The arc
modest condor
spritti warned us about this a year ago
prime charm
I am now convinced that the warrior/fury class designer is either a cat or does not exist. It's an absolute piss take that for the whole expac we have been dog shit.
deep sapphire
I’m just glad that people find it fun to be absolute garbage for a season.
prime charm
I’m just glad that people find it fun to be absolute garbage for a season.
You mean expansion
deep sapphire
Season 3 we were solid. Not the best but actually competitive. At least Arms didn’t blow us out of the water then.
I feel like even doubling the numbers on our tier we would still be meh.
summer quail
you do know the fury tier set isn't that bad right?
deep sapphire
I mean S3 tier is still competitive with lower level S4 tier so yes it is?
summer quail
if the numbers were doubled on fury tierset it would be better than s3 by quite a bit
deep sapphire
I’m not arguing that. I’m saying currently where it’s at it’s bad.
indigo arch
Don't worry all our utility in raid and m+ make up for it!
deep sapphire
The rallying cry nerf still blows my mind.
indigo arch
It was clearly too much utility
summer quail
The rallying cry nerf still blows my mind.
5% isn't that bad
tho they should have increased rallying cry effect by 100% in m+
deep sapphire
Yeah that would definitely be reasonable.
It would be nice to have something useful for M+
summer quail
the rally nerf was supposed to be 10% but blizzard is blizzard and fukd up
deep sapphire
Like there’s not really a potential reason to invite Fury over any of the other Melee dps yeah?
summer quail
fury st in keys is still pretty good
summer quail
arms obliterates everything
haughty token
how important is 4 set for raid/m+ i have 489 s3 tier
deep sapphire
Not
torpid sand
how important is 4 set for raid/m+ i have 489 s3 tier
scroll up a little bit and you will see how much we love the s4 set
deep sapphire
Does Blizz just give Fury a 20-30% buff to all damage and call it a day?
eternal sundial
how important is 4 set for raid/m+ i have 489 s3 tier
4P is an upgrade but that's bacause it's 20 ilvl on tier for me
Xd
deep sapphire
Yes?
summer quail
scroll up a little bit and you will see how much we love the s4 set
I do love the s4 tierset, fury is just weak atm
frank dawn
Yeh idk…might make me actually try to play arms. Fury is garbanzo in raid
I have no issues with the gameplay
deep sapphire
I don’t hate Arms as much as I used to since Ignore Pain got removed from rotation.
outer cedar
I like warrior and I love fury I love two handed sword both hand haha...
indigo arch
Wish they'd just make arms play like it did in mop if they really expect ppl to swap
indigo arch
Arms needs dot snapshots again
brave cairn
We already have to keep track of stacking damage. What more resource do you want?
brave cairn
Have you seen ret paladin design in comparison? xd
brave cairn
You're in the fury channel tho
bitter palm
i said arms needs a second resource
indigo arch
Waiting for the 8800 primary shadopan trinket to drop juicy tclap bleed refreshes on garrosh, I miss it
Bring THAT back
indigo arch
Fury could use snapshots on odyn ticks also
bitter palm
or instead
give specs some depth
so they aren't raging blow on cd rampage if above 80
repeat
indigo arch
I wonder if they'll move fury tree so we can somehow yoink blood and thunder when mountain thane comes out
bitter palm
or mortal strike on cd op if no rage. double ww in cs window. 2x exe -> exe/op depending on rage -> ms
indigo arch
Hell bring back bloodbath just in time for bladestorm with slayer
They could give one or both specs of warrior the old bleed debuff that arms had too, for some raid utility for druids rogues etc
So many things
bitter palm
they dont want trauma back
sour tundra
How's everyone doing in keys as fury?
bitter palm
as expected
from what ive seen
people with new 4p
top damage in mid size pulls
top in cleave
good in st
mid in mass aoe
bitter palm
i love that pull as arms
despite all the button pressing
thunderous roar
a single global
is 30% of my damage
idk the exact number but its most of my damage
ik on fury its all of ur damage
along with ravager
covert blaze
roar fuck good
eternal sundial
ik on fury its all of ur damage
Yeee
Rava roar rest is just spamming for cdr for 2nd rava
proud vessel
Does anyone have a screenshot of our m+ build with fear + strombolt + shockwave?
Im not sure what to drop from the m+ build on wowhead to take fear
wispy dock
Are u guys taking shockwave or going uproar for 60 second roars
mossy fox
Does anyone have a screenshot of our m+ build with fear + strombolt + shockwave?
drop honed reflexes
if you want fear
proud vessel
Thank you
Is it good this tier? I know in uldaman its less useful as a lot of mobs cant be feared
sullen dove
more cc almost always good to have
unless the rest of your group is just infinite cc
ashen socket
What a shock
I stop trying to que as prot into keys and what do you get?
No invites
proud vessel
Thanks, ill just play around with it a bit and see in what dungs its more useful to have
eternal sundial
I stop trying to que as prot into keys and what do you get?
Wrong color
Be purple
dense drum
At what time can u open great vault tomorrow eu time?
merry jetty
sullen dove
huh
dense drum
@merry jetty thanks. Also want to open before work
sullen dove
no i think just bugged cuz i hit the "dragonflight" option in menu as soon as i found a game
median marsh
i am having 4 tier item of s4 and i am using the WA from the pin which let me know when i am having crit >95
is this rotation "changes" correct ?
ST -
i should do BT when over 95%, but if i can do rampage on that time- i do rampage
AOE -
if i dont have stack of WW - i do WW
and then this - i should do BT when over 95%, but if i can do rampage on that time- i do rampage
sullen dove
uh.. yea basically
if rampage available to hit pretty much always hit it
want to keep ww stacks up for aoe
median marsh
tyty
rustic haven
IS the trinket with Teros any good for M+ until I get Trampling?
hardy cargo
Ruby fuck good
granite tiger
anyone can help me i really cant understand, im checking some pple logs i have more crit than them and more reck uptime but they are every 3 rampage used BT but about my self im using it every 4 rampage! whats wrong ?
rustic haven
Ruby fuck good
nice
granite tiger
Maybe they arent playing well
that log hes Rank 5 on terros !
he did like 20k damage more than me
eternal sundial
Kill time, crit rng, gear
Many factors
Also idk if crit flask shows up on stat page by default
median marsh
anyone can help me i really cant understand, im checking some pple logs i have m...
check rage overcapped, its on resources tab, if you overcappignm rage you lose tons of dps
tender cairn
ok I didnt wanna answer anyway
empty mirage
idek why that got deleted lmao
empty mirage
aight thats what i thought just makin sure
empty mirage
if i dont get 4p this week someones getting g checked
slender perch
New 4p hits like a wet noodle anyway legit pref playing whit old 4p than new one 😂
chrome plover
surely blizz will buff us <:copium:839076283467431956>
pls talk to devs famous streamer
🙏
empty mirage
please make us op again 🙏
chrome plover
better asked in #pvp this is a pve channel and we're all probably clueless about pvp fury sorry
in pve it's better to ignore slaughtering strikes and just send rampage, I imagine it's the same in pvp
chrome plover
yeah it's the button for when you have nothing else to press
oh wait i guess u take diff talents in pvp
if it costs rage you never use it
in pve it's a rage generator
not spender
yes
if you arent using storm of swords you can take it off your bars
and use raging blow instead
mossy fox
pls talk to devs famous streamer
i know no devs
empty mirage
get on that
mossy fox
i can only yap and hope someone listens
tardy lark
Just persuade Archi to lobby
radiant spruce
one question .. if we dont have 2p oder 4p we still play the old rotation with 4pc s3 right
empty mirage
what do you sim at for aoe
chrome plover
i only simmed st
empty mirage
s3 is better for st im pretty sure
chrome plover
all dungeon trash was instantly vaporised in my +8 keys this week anyway
and terros was the boss we were stopping at
empty mirage
at 4 target aoe i sim at 488k rn
chrome plover
so i didnt really bother thinking about aoe
eternal sundial
4 xd
empty mirage
if yiu have better settings lmk i just click the sim button lmao
chrome plover
idk if that's a very useful sim but i sim 557k
empty mirage
send ur settings ill use those
empty mirage
idk what to change them, ive always just used those
chrome plover
idk what the standpoint on dungeonslice is nowadays but tbh I've always felt that 5min patchwerk does the best
and then change trinkets for keys
oblique trail
You can use those settings for basically everything
chrome plover
keys have just too many variables, (pull size, downtime, pull duration)
single target is the only constant
edgy widget
Spend your first bullion on the Scale of Awakening Legendary upgrade
NOTE: Though it is likely to get fixed soon, the upgrade appears bugged at the moment, so you may want to hold off on purchasing ASAP.
- If you don't have Fyr'alath or Myth track weapons yet, Ashkandur may be the best immediate option, but not the most efficient one since it's relatively easy to loot.
- Buying the Eranog ring (proc it with helm enchant/shadowflame embellishment/signet brand) or a trinket, and looting a weapon elsewhere is more efficient, since most players using the legendary will pass on them while the ring is highly contested.
- The choice is yours. Fury can use Ashkandur in the offhand and its effect is only minorly weaker than the ring but much stronger against humanoids, so it's still a useful purchase, but really depends on how likely you think you are to loot another weapon - in the offhand, even a heroic Ashkandur is on par with most Myth track weapons, so you have multiple chances to get one.
- You can also sim before buying using Gear Compare.
Bullion vendor is in The Parting Glass in east Valdrakken.
chrome plover
unless I'm simming for a specific boss (maybe if there was a really hard pure 4 target boss I'd sim for it) it's 1 target all the way
I know that isnt part of the post above but lego procs eranog ring right?
eternal sundial
Ye
chrome plover
thought so
bitter palm
head enchant as well
icy topaz
Do we buy the lego upgrade once? And then just upgrade with flightstones and crests?
edgy widget
lego, helm enchant, shadowflame, brand, and augury all proc the ring - triggering it should be a non-issue for just about anyone at this point
eternal sundial
Do we buy the lego upgrade once? And then just upgrade with flightstones and cre...
Ye
icy topaz
Oof
eternal sundial
patchwerk 5min 1 boss im simming 206k
I sim 270 something on fury
Shit spec 50k behind arm 😔
empty mirage
I have a 476 weapon with no lgendary
chrome plover
Do we buy the lego upgrade once? And then just upgrade with flightstones and cre...
yeah it's 2 bullions for an item that basically converts your legendary to awakened track afaik
mossy fox
I sim 270 something on fury
sameish gear as me then
chrome plover
and then it's upgradeable like a normal item
empty mirage
mossy fox
im at 267 in m+ build fury, 317 as full st arms
subtle lagoon
272 st fury
mossy fox
+35k inc when fyralath gets upgraded tho 
subtle lagoon
damn arms is wiping the floor with fury
mossy fox
didn't check the inc as fury yet, i guess it's a bit smaller
empty mirage
i feel like the legendary would add a lot lmao
chrome plover
+35k inc when fyralath gets upgraded tho <:xan:1094127979703062558>
flighstones 
mossy fox
someone like me will get all those stones in one key sesh
chrome plover
im a casual these days
eternal sundial
im at 267 in m+ build fury, 317 as full st arms
Im 270 as raid build cuz i dont have s4 rings ye xdd
mossy fox
lmao
empty mirage
my trinkets are also TUFF
mossy fox
i actually dont use my s4 rings as fury
mossy fox
my stats are so garbo it can't use the haste vers rings that i have at 509 as arms
top gear goes for the old socketed 489 DHT ring and crafted 486 vers mast instead
eternal sundial
top gear goes for the old socketed 489 DHT ring and crafted 486 vers mast instea...
What about BSL and new rings
Get the mast from there
eternal sundial
I made haste mast BSL neck
chrome plover
I have 2 crit heavy rings
mossy fox
my crit is kinda lacking in arms atm so had to go crit haste
empty mirage
oh mf u have the 4 set thats why ur single target is so much higher lmao
chrome plover
like 2.6k crit on those two
eternal sundial
So im at downbad arms crit but like 45 haste
eternal sundial
Yea this season fucking killed my crit and it wants more haste
So im farming brh belt heavy haste
empty mirage
i need the leggo so bad but no one runs fyrakk and i came back to wow too late to actually run it weekly
unreal onyx
Haste/mast 4 lyfe on fury
chrome plover
oh mf u have the 4 set thats why ur single target is so much higher lmao
I sim the same with both 4p bonuses
mossy fox
im at sub 20 on both specs atm
eternal sundial
oh mf u have the 4 set thats why ur single target is so much higher lmao
Ofc?
eternal sundial
im at sub 20 on both specs atm
Mastery on arms goes hard though
900k natty ms crit with box
mossy fox
ye i had a 985k yesterday actually
unreal onyx
Now sim S3 4p with S4 ilvl and check that ST
chrome plover
506 ilvl with new 4p i sim 262k, 499 ilvl old 4p i sim 262k
eternal sundial
Fury Moment
unreal onyx
Fury ST hasn’t been this down bad in a while I think
mossy fox
Mastery on arms goes hard though
my mast aint bad as arms tho, think it's like 38%
eternal sundial
Fury ST hasn’t been this down bad in a while I think
S1 df was kinda stank
IMO
Played like shit for sure
chrome plover
I will enjoy being in a more casual guild than previous tiers and playing fun s2 fury 
eternal sundial
I will enjoy being in a more casual guild than previous tiers and playing fun s2...
Chawie rashok 100 repeat?
chrome plover
fosho
unreal onyx
But (ofc week 1 meme) fury competing with aug on ST is a yoke
chrome plover
grey prog into 100 rashok speedrun any%
bitter palm
Mastery on arms goes hard though
imagine if the dot scaled
eternal sundial
imagine if the dot scaled
Theyd never make u do damage as arm....
unreal onyx
Is arms ST build the same as 2t cleave?
proud vessel
what is Fyr'aleth max ilvl now?
low portal
hey I dont have the legendary but I have killed him like 13 or 14 times on HC, if I dont get axe tmrw from him should I just get Augury or get Ashkander ?
mossy fox
535 will be max
proud vessel
thanks
mossy fox
hey I dont have the legendary but I have killed him like 13 or 14 times on HC, i...
15th kill should be the guaranteed one iirc
low portal
15th kill should be the guaranteed one iirc
🙏
mossy fox
assuming you've counted right i would not get ashk
chrome plover
i thought 14 was guarantee
eternal sundial
Is arms ST build the same as 2t cleave?
U change sweep and always go eb
bitter palm
15th kill should be the guaranteed one iirc
when did u get it
chrome plover
but ur defo very close
eternal sundial
Cuz in St no eb is neutral
eternal sundial
So i dont play eb
unreal onyx
Next raid it is potentially arms time 
eternal sundial
Cringefuck ass talent
mossy fox
when did u get it
something like that
eternal sundial
7th mythic is enrage iirc
unreal onyx
U change sweep and always go eb
Is that a big dps diff?
bitter palm
endless ms spam
unreal onyx
I don’t like arms mt
chrome plover
I got it on 12th heroic
unreal onyx
St is fine
eternal sundial
<:Whuh:1072540013033697292>
It procs or it doesnt and i dont enjoy it cuz so unresponsive
eternal sundial
Is that a big dps diff?
2t without long sweep isnt great but do sim
bitter palm
It procs or it doesnt and i dont enjoy it cuz so unresponsive
based
eternal sundial
It procs or it doesnt and i dont enjoy it cuz so unresponsive
Like for blord i know it can proc
But it i ms and alr queue my op
My dogshit proc breaks my flow
bitter palm
Like for blord i know it can proc
blord is goated
op cleave resets
is just
soo good
it feels so good
bitter palm
blord resets cleave
eternal sundial
blord resets cleave
Yes and im not at 2 op buff in sweep so i wont cleave anyways
bitter palm
pressing ms 6 times in a row
eternal sundial
I liked the SD procs of S1 fury tbh
Cuz sd isnt wasted if you queue op and proc a blord
Xdd
Which is what i despise about eb
mossy fox
S1 fury was also pretty cool yep, but even more unlikely than S2 to be tuned good since the set is omega ass unless you add something to it
tuning the numbers on S1 would do next to nothing
eternal sundial
S1 fury was also pretty cool yep, but even more unlikely than S2 to be tuned goo...
Make 2 set be 30% ramp dam surely
unreal onyx
Increase SD dmg by 35%
unreal onyx
Fury execute feels pathetic in S4
Warrior is the lore execute class
But the actual execute phase is mid af
mossy fox
execute tooltip is just "attempt to finish off enemy" innit
we just have to attempt many times
unreal onyx
Did someone do the sims if I get all bis S4 gear for fury but keep my S3 489 set
eternal sundial
Fury exec makes u do less rb which is good
unreal onyx
And see what the ST DPS is
chrome plover
we just have to attempt many times
we're not very good at it
unreal onyx
Hit or miss
unreal onyx
I guess we always miss huh
I also still stand by that the early S1 RA build was pretty fun
mossy fox
unreal onyx
The only downside was the insta-aggro
hardy cargo
mossy fox
i rank that iteration of fury the lowest of everything i ever played
eternal sundial
CB is always fun
No
unreal onyx
Yes
unreal onyx
i rank that iteration of fury the lowest of everything i ever played
Which is the best?
mossy fox
actually played fury a bunch in soo in mop, that was fun at the time
idk how itd compare to today
chrome plover
I'm a fury baby I only started playing warrior in bfa
and then I quit in uldir until shadowlands
mossy fox
i enjoyed fury in eternal palace
unreal onyx
(I started wow in SL and only played fury really, with a DH alt for 1 season)
mossy fox
padding on orgozoa was good dopamine
chrome plover
yeah I think I would've enjoyed eternal palace and nya a lot
mossy fox
blood of the enemy too
oblique trail
@mossy fox give me a spreadsheet with timers for Aberrus since I've never raided it before thank you
hoary swan
actually played fury a bunch in soo in mop, that was fun at the time
imo fury in SOO was at its best spec state ever
subtle lagoon
I hope arms dies in a fire and gets deleted
manic gulch
idk why arms is a spec to begin with
you have a big sword and you swing it
paladin and dk do that too
quiet python
puzzle box better then 489 ocean?
chrome plover
yeah probs
oblique trail
Puzzle > Ocean
south kayak
can't have fun with a trinket
quiet python
ye it should just be like ocean imo, insta use
south kayak
then they'd have to nerf it
oblique trail
After having played with it a bit more, I personally don't mind it having a 30 sec duration and lower mastery
It means you have it active during the entirety of your CDs when you pop them in tandem, for both Fury and Arms
chrome plover
yeah I like it
south kayak
cds don't last that long
chrome plover
I just need to remember to use it
oblique trail
Avatar lasts 28 seconds with S4 talents
south kayak
for arms?
oblique trail
For Fury
oblique trail
For Arms, if you wanted Puzzle to last all of your CD duration you had to do it while channeling BS, and even then it would be active for all of the Avatar
It's just awkward to use sometimes when you desync your CDs from it
mossy fox
<@235809563490779136> give me a spreadsheet with timers for Aberrus since I've n...
what spreadsheet
oblique trail
One that you make
mossy fox
i just vibe and send stuff on cd or when it feels right
oblique trail
right so I'll just send cds on cd and if they don't align I'll just blame it on you if it's a 1 pull kill
mossy fox
ya sounds good
hardy cargo
just make sure to hold your 2nd roar on zaqali assault if you are cheesing it 
to pad on all the adds on solo tank side
mossy fox
right so I'll just send cds on cd and if they don't align I'll just blame it on ...
make sure to hold cds for adds on rashok
hardy cargo
^^^
mossy fox
very important
hardy cargo
forgot about that one too
oblique trail
sage ridge
Do you cast avatar or reck first? Hasn't it been bugged for a while
mossy fox
no longer bugged
fallen ginkgo
Should nerf fury
tender cairn
empty mirage
chrome plover
agreed
south kayak
What he said
mossy fox
buff fury 3% every week until we're top
fallen ginkgo
Real
silent burrow
mossy fox
thats real scaling
silent burrow
gentle walrus
We might be top by TWW at that rate.
fallen ginkgo
Who tf plays taurens
tender cairn
:(
fallen ginkgo
I mean, the animations of bt and rb are still bugged on them
Since like shadowlands
fallen ginkgo
muuuh that mafacka
empty mirage
the way taurens run pisses me off
empty mirage
happy ass frolicking
fallen ginkgo
Silly cows
empty mirage
i wanna make my warrior one of them zandalari troll mfers but i aint buying a race change
tender cairn
I thought bout it tbf
proud vessel
@edgy widget sorry for the ping but is there a reason the stats on wowhead are still referencing season 2 and 3 gear with season 2/3 ilvl numbers? Because its still the same or...?
fallen ginkgo
Time to 
fallen ginkgo
But 
night void
buff fury 3% every week until we're top
For sure bro 😄 I see it coming
fallen ginkgo
you just swing a sword like an npc
Well you hit big numbers, big ms=big fun
molten scroll
is it normal that the old set sims 30k over the new 4set?
tender cairn
tried arms, not my cup o tea
south kayak
is it normal that the old set sims 30k over the new 4set?
did u change talents
molten scroll
did u change talents
simed the old with old talents and the new with new 😄
night void
is it normal that the old set sims 30k over the new 4set?
No it's not normal but ye it's sad reality right now
empty mirage
tried arms, not my cup o tea
its too slow, the pause while ur bladestorming makes me lose my mind
mossy fox
from what ive seen your ST dps with new set should be about the same as old 4p (assuming correct talents and varies with ilvl of the new set pieces)
tender cairn
its too slow, the pause while ur bladestorming makes me lose my mind
ikr
also not a fan of colossus smash
night void
U overILVL it in some time but still fury is one of the bottom ones RN
fallen ginkgo
from what ive seen your ST dps with new set should be about the same as old 4p (...
Wasnt it a st loss but mt gain? Like 3-4%
empty mirage
i like mashing buttons every haf second lmao
mossy fox
can see it on tindral
oblique trail
Unless your guild has no root damage at all and they live for eons
mossy fox
will get dumpstered by the good classes either way tho
night void
from what ive seen your ST dps with new set should be about the same as old 4p (...
I have 4p 507ilvl and I dropped by 3k on ST where I was 496ilvl with s3
mossy fox
so about the same like i said
oblique trail
will get dumpstered by the good classes either way tho
Average warrior experience
night void
Yy
fallen ginkgo
Average warrior experience
Trueeeeee
manic gulch
warriors are not allowed to have fun
tender cairn
manic gulch
meanwhile paladins
fallen ginkgo
manic gulch
empty mirage
will get dumpstered by the good classes either way tho
hunter and warlock been putting my ass in the dirt
manic gulch
yes
and triple the dmg to compensate for the lack of utility
to paladins of course
silent burrow
Tindral maybe
Probably just play double bs arms instead if that was your goal lol
hasty path
I think they should just remove warriors from the game
mossy fox
BL wouldnt fix warriors
hasty path
BL wouldnt fix warriors
I can fix her
oblique trail
Probably just play double bs arms instead if that was your goal lol
Nah no way roots last that long
mossy fox
yeah roots need quick damage
oblique trail
And your boss damage would be genuinely abysmal
night void
I think new dev warrior tram fix warriors
mossy fox
slow damage is useless
night void
Team*
tender cairn
silent burrow
And your boss damage would be genuinely abysmal
So, fury lol
oblique trail
That's why I mentioned S3
But I haven't actually bothered to check what the diff would look like at max ilvl between S3 and S4
S3 also has the small upside of being able to break roots
silent burrow
Oh I missed the s3 part actually
manic gulch
they have dropped the ball on everything and focus on tww
mossy fox
honestly would not be surprised if standard ST arms build with wb+iftk does more roots dmg than double BS arms
manic gulch
if tww has major issues
hasty path
I think new dev warrior tram fix warriors
I heard a rumor of who the new devs are. One of their names starts with an R. The other one starts with an S and ends with X
silent burrow
honestly would not be surprised if standard ST arms build with wb+iftk does more...
It honestly shocks me how much aoe that can do
hasty path
honestly would not be surprised if standard ST arms build with wb+iftk does more...
Dreadnaught go brrrr
night void
😄
oblique trail
Too much in fact
south kayak
I’ll fuck DN
mossy fox
ig you dont need to break all
oblique trail
Nah some just get insta bursted down anyway
night void
U actualy wipe roots pretty fast all the time now
mossy fox
just break the 50s one and you're payphoning
oohh but the annoying thing is gonna be when you wanna leggo and you're rooted
maybe pick a cheeky feather
silent burrow
Not being able to lego while rooted 😠
mossy fox
1st root used to be of into leggo shortly after
peak lagoon
ig you dont need to break all
just slam rampages with warmachine
fck using BT
get that cdr
mossy fox
lol
silent burrow
1st root used to be of into leggo shortly after
That's how I played it
peak lagoon
during roots dying you can probably
get a lot of rampages of
b2b2b2b
not like you lose a lot of vallue since you still get BT dmg increase even if you overcap the crit% chance
roots are going to get fcking demolished anyways
probably
tight grove
How much atm is to craft legendary wep?
peak lagoon
I beat a 513 ilvl arms as a 504 fury on Rasz
doesnt say much tbh
since intermission + how shield cds are alligned makes a pretty big diffy
subtle lagoon
doesnt matter
subtle lagoon
fury>arms
subtle lagoon
Based and real
Imagine not being able to wield a legendary AND another weapon like they're nothing
hasty path
arms use 1 wep, fury use 2? therefore fury 2x better than arms
Fury doesn’t have arms therefore it’s disabled, does the ADA (Azeroth Disability Association) accommodate?
subtle lagoon
Imagine having both and doing tank damage
blizzard propoganda
tender cairn
Fury doesn’t have arms therefore it’s disabled, does the ADA (Azeroth Disability...
everyone has arms
eternal sundial
I beat a 513 ilvl arms as a 504 fury on Rasz
Fury just wins i1
hasty path
everyone has arms
Well that’s not true
tender cairn
so dum
eternal sundial
Rest arm is tied or better
hasty path
Based
empty mirage
thats needlessly funny
silent burrow
tender cairn
upbeat sentinel
Are earthen for both factions?
south kayak
Are earthen for both factions?
Yes
tender cairn
everyone gets a dwarf
south kayak
Horde Dwarf
empty mirage
tender cairn
who let this leaf lover in here
empty mirage
yeah ok hows the weather down there short stuff
tender cairn
not very rock and stone
empty mirage
ooh rah
chrome plover
empty mirage
