you do damage every pull
#fury
mossy fox
summer quail
we have no context on this picture
manic venture
s4 T30 crit rate 10->12, sound meow->bam
eternal sundial
Like swapping in rlp alr feels bad
On 2nd boss
But totem infinitely less fun
Idk rlp feels ass on bosses as fury for all but first boss
Neltharus feels fury favoured kinda
empty mirage
ive never hit over 700k before
summer quail
holy moly fury broken
eternal canopy
nerf fury
summer quail
ive never hit over 700k before
honestly mate, sounds like you're either undergeared or not playing correctly. maybe both
summer quail
ye, so the not playing correctly part then
empty mirage
dont know what i could be doing wrong lmao
eternal sundial
i dont win at dps at all, always 3rd sometimes second
I generally win bar bm hunter in AA
mossy fox
ye fury often wins with steady dps every pull
empty mirage
im playing perfectly im telling you
mossy fox
you're capping
empty mirage
stats n shit re good
eternal sundial
If you think ur doing it right ur generally not
mossy fox
i dont play perfectly
thats the difference
i look for ways to improve, you think you're already done improving
mossy fox
i am
empty mirage
also to be fair i bet ever one of you has the leggo
tardy lark
mossy fox
yeah man insane 496 leggo
final birch
Youre 500ilv no lego??
empty mirage
cant find raids man
mossy fox
bro
summer quail
bruh
eternal sundial
LOL
tardy lark
world quest gear is higher ilvl than that now isnt it
eternal sundial
Bro is in s2
compact siren
eternal sundial
And im complaining about no 2nd 522
final birch
I think I have like
tender cairn
s2 doesnt get that high tho
final birch
2 weapons at 510 in my bags
eternal sundial
s2 doesnt get that high tho
You get where im going at
empty mirage
ill see if i cant find a world quest or something to get me over 476 lmao
young swan
somehow less geared than me and I have an emote dedicated to how hard I sandbag
tender cairn
You get where im going at
but but đ¤ âď¸
empty mirage
weapons holding me back HARD so are my trinkets
eternal sundial
I gave away 2nd 522 to our prot pal
mossy fox
maybe just try and do some keys and get a weapon instead of complaining here all day
empty mirage
tardy lark
eternal sundial
Lego in 2 days ig
empty mirage
damn crit coming at me swinging
final birch
Cant wait to spend 3 days farming flightstones
young swan
time to spawn into keys with actual good gear instead of getting mickey mouse number socre ego inflater
merry jetty
maybe just try and do some keys and get a weapon instead of complaining here all...
Check ur attitude. Do you not know he plays fury perfectly?
unreal onyx
Imagine getting into pugs that are higher than a 6 or 7
merry jetty
Have some respect
final birch
@eternal sundial or anyone
empty mirage
would weapons deadass hold me back that hard
tender cairn
dw dw
tardy lark
yes
unreal onyx
Yes
final birch
Shit
young swan
would weapons deadass hold me back that hard
going from 476 -> 522 would be like 50k sim dps on pure st or some shit
so yes
weapons pretty big
unreal onyx
If I upgrade a weapon now, does that also count towards awakened weapons I buy? I assume so
chrome plover
yes
chrome plover
because 2h
unreal onyx
Good
chrome plover
rare fury W
empty mirage
therenlies my issue then lmao
young swan
eternal sundial
<@653287531038900236> or anyone
Huh
eternal canopy
i want to do doti hardmode for mirror but friends keep blowing it off like theyre scared or sumn
pussies
random raptor
what level does it drop at
eternal canopy
myth if nobody dies
hard relic
didnt they remove the undying requirement?
eternal canopy
for myth track loot?
hard relic
wait you can get myth track still?
eternal canopy
im under the impression that hero drops throughout and myth track from last boss if nobody dies
hollow elk
Can't get hit while holding runes or w.e right ?
eternal canopy
its being said on reddit/forums/in game that its last boss myth loot if nobody dies
eternal canopy
seen it being compared to what an old 27 was in 489 gear
merry jetty
Is the myth track gear only loot from last boss or?
chrome plover
im under the impression that hero drops throughout and myth track from last boss...
can you provide a source on this? because I thought hard mode was just 506 hero gear
chrome plover
you might be reading stuff from season 2
merry jetty
That yeah, but loot table is from only last?
eternal canopy
and been told by friends in game
but dont remember if ive seen anything or if any have actually done it
like i said anecdotal
but thats what im seeing a few people say
hollow elk
Not dying on a +10 seems doable next week
There are a lot of random ground projectiles on that dungeon
eternal canopy
i mean i had done 27 fall without dying last szn
i never did 27 rise tho
rise section feels harder
hollow elk
Rise last boss just chunks
eternal canopy
its more battlefield tbh
certain trash too
that last before boss in rise is brutal
hollow elk
Well Ive only run as high As a 24 so I can't really comment how hard a 27 is
eternal canopy
well we're going to find out lol
today is monday
my friends are doing it whether they like it or not
i think its actually really cool, its almost like a 5 man raid if its as hard as they say
no timer no affix, 8 bosses
but scaled really hard
that sounds fun tbh
chrome plover
Iâd be surprised if thereâs any/many whoâve done it deathless this week but maybe
it'd be interesting for sure, luckily none of those items are bis for fury cos fuck farming that
eternal sundial
i think its actually really cool, its almost like a 5 man raid if its as hard as...
Itd apparently tuned like a 10
Ish
So if you have raid gear it's decently doable
eternal canopy
if its a 10 thats almost too easy considering i know the dung like the back of my hand
eternal canopy
and thats having to learn these dung from scratch, didnt play s1/s2
from all the reps i got in doti tbh i actually hope its a little harder than a +10
chrome plover
would make sense for it to be tuned around a 10
and that's what I've heard too
do deathless and give me proof that it's myth track please đ
eternal canopy
i will try
chrome plover
because I will not be doing it
eternal canopy
but all my premade homie tanks have already tried and im thinking failed because they tried tuesday
so its just me and spriest friend i force to do everything with me
good tank/heal and its def doable, just dont know how many arent locked on a monday ya know
eternal sundial
Our first deathless failed at me walking over orbs and knocking the druid off
eternal canopy
Our first deathless failed at me walking over orbs and knocking the druid off
this is absolutely the way
chrome plover
eternal canopy
might just do that instead
so i disbanded a group earlier and somebody made a toon and told me to uninstall
gotta love this game
ill never know which one it was either
pallid otter
Hardmode was chill almost had a deathless run lastnight
eternal canopy
the hunter fucked it up?
pallid otter
Lost it on trash we were supposed to skip but out tank just ran it and pulled shit
eternal canopy
sadge
pallid otter
Oh well we do it on deathless next week
The healing needed for it is kind of crazy though
Is it looking like an arms angle in keys this tier so far i havenât looked much at rio or streams
chrome plover
if you enjoy both then yeah probably
arms is looking real good
and fury...not so much
clever hound
RIP I donât like arms
pallid otter
Might be the tier i become good at arms 
chrome plover
then play fury, I dont like arms either so I probably wont play it
clever hound
I was so excited/ lucky to drop 4 set in week 1 and itâs bad
chrome plover
it's the fun one so same
clever hound
Letâs see - interested to see general response when they get 4set next week or so
mossy fox
i've been enjoying it a lot
runic violet
is arms > fury this season?
mossy fox
yes
runic violet
I've been thinking switching back to fury this season. I loved spamming rampage.
chrome plover
just play what you want :) it's true every season but especially true this season
mossy fox
based chawie
hasty path
Play what I want
south kayak
hey warriors
south kayak
I can do out of context screenshots too
Warrior need nerfs??111!!
Blizzard showing their brown class bias
smh my head
hasty path
Just working
south kayak
rip bozo
hasty path
Fr man my gear is suffering
south kayak
im not playing that much
just chilling
would be cool if i had a grp to spam m+ with
chrome plover
dense elbow
Heard rumors that Fury warrior now does 1 million ST DPS
Guess we all were just playing it wrong before
silent burrow
Maybe if roid was our dev
hasty path
F
wanton mirage
Is Arms with Fury gears still miles better than Fury in raid?
empty mirage
as far as i know arms is pretty gear/stats dependent so it might not be better if youre geared for fury
summer grove
I can do out of context screenshots too
My brother in Christ, I needed to see this today. Thank you. Big numbers keep my ADD mind in check
lofty delta
fury or arms for m+ ? overall
empty mirage
arms does more damage
lofty delta
bah, ok; back to learning their rotation.
dense elbow
Fury dies less tho that is also m+ value
dense elbow
Best part as fury is when ppl get mad you don't healthpot or stone... meanwhile you never dropped close to 60% of your hp, while ppl are running at sub 10% fumes
We are simply built different and don't need to chug pots all day long
pallid otter
Plate with a passive 10% dr and a bonus 20% armor with 2 2handers will do that
sage smelt
Just hit 1.1m HP as fury, 502 ilvlish
sullen basin
damn there are 0 healers looking to go any level of fyrakk why cant we have a healer spec
anyone know how much gold it costs to buy a heroic boost in season 4 since people only care about the shit that gives gear?
warm crag
hc boost for fyrakk?
might be hard to find
try pugging fyrakk on reset day or weekend itll probs be easier
pallid otter
Yea idk if any community would sell@heroic fyrakk nonfated
modest condor
not if I can help it
im a pro at standing in frontals to bring up those fury deaths a bit
sullen basin
i cant get invited to pugs and the one i got into somehow made it to 20% smolderon despite healers all dying/leaving at 80-90%
tender cairn
got my credentials right here
modest condor
Best part as fury is when ppl get mad you don't healthpot or stone... meanwhile ...
was actually looking at health numbers in the raid during fyrakk prog, i would often stay above 75% hp for 95% of the fight only dropping below 50% like once or twice, meanwhile other people spend below 75% for most of the fight lol
chrome plover
Best part as fury is when ppl get mad you don't healthpot or stone... meanwhile ...
we also have a healthstone on a 30 second cooldown
sullen basin
next week for sure im gonna be looking on wednesday but damn
monday is too late apparently
all the healers log in wednesday, do the raid then log out til the next raid
modest condor
Yea idk if any community would sell@heroic fyrakk nonfated
if there is demand people will do it
dense elbow
If you want it, ppl will sell it.
pallid otter
Itâs more of i donât think itâll be that profitable nonfated weeks
sullen basin
it wont be profitable til its awakened yeah
chrome plover
boosting communities are running legacy fyrakk hc
90k gold in one of the ones I'm in
sullen basin
thats a bit much lol
chrome plover
is it?
gloomy needle
others are charging 200k atm for it
sullen basin
it was like 60-70k last season no way it should be higher now when demand is lower
chrome plover
I dont think demand is lower
sullen basin
anyway there are 0 groups on a monday
gloomy needle
it spiked up when aotc spots were limited at the end, went from 50k to 150-200k. I should edit I'm also talking NA pricing
sullen basin
ive been waiting on those for like 20 minutes idk how they havent killed their bosses yet
the 2/4/14 is taking the piss they still havent killed tindral in that time
modest condor
anyway there are 0 groups on a monday
well it's middle of the day, try in the evening
sullen basin
in the evening im busy đŚ
modest condor
Sadge
chrome plover
I wonder why fyrakk is 90k and sark is 120k
chrome plover
fyrakk definitely less so seeing as it's only 1 tier past
and people arent geared yet
dense elbow
Blizz inflating numbers to make bellular say wow is growing
unreal onyx
I can't even think of a way that number would come up
chrome plover
me either
dense elbow
He bases population health on m done, so if 1 player is now worth 164 per 1 run, huge growth
Giga
gentle fox
hey maybe my reading comprehension is really bad but is there a spec for someone who doesnt have either s4 or s3 tier bonus?
ive currently just been playing the s4 build but swapping out the bloodthirst talents
sullen basin
hey maybe my reading comprehension is really bad but is there a spec for someone...
run s4 talents if you have no tier, s3 talents are trash without s3 tier
gentle fox
gotcha so either s4 or s2
sullen basin
s4 is s2
gentle fox
ill look around for the s2 build just to check it out
oh..
yeah sorry im totally new to dragonflight
đ
chrome plover
in s4 we got the s2 set bonus back
sullen basin
I have absolutely 0 experience playing it so I'm not looking forward to suddenly being the worst player in raid when I upgrade my gear from s3 tier to s2 tier
chrome plover
and use that talent set if you have no set, as people said
because s3 are heavily reliant on that set bonus, but also you will learn the correct rotation and not have to suddenly switch up your playstyle
runic violet
s2 fury is the most no brainer rotation class
desert cloud
is this poggers for fury or nah
runic violet
u spam a couple skills then rampage whenever ready. end
frank dawn
is this poggers for fury or nah
It is one of the best trinkets
brazen cloud
bc s3 was sooo much different
clever escarp
bloodbath spam very intresting and fun as we know
dense elbow
S3 had a prio system with ordering. S2 is more instant no plan or mistake spam. Very minor difference, but S3 was more likely to punish you for bad plays (with the dead global)
will be funny if the anti S3 and pro S2 now refuses that fact, as it is now no longer what they want to cry about
chrome plover
I didn't mind season 3 but it just didn't feel 'fury' in the same way season 2 did
the difference in 'difficulty' or whatever you wanna call it seems completely negligible for me and doesnt affect my enjoyment
charred panther
Iâm smacking just w an upgrades to weapon and trinket w s3 tier still. St was crushing on tyran bosses. OF feel so much better than ravager
Ravager should be just an aoe around the warrior w a blade spam graphic around us or something
So lame having it on an area
Main reason Iâll be trying arms once I get tier tbh - I can deal w being a worse spec but dang I dislike ravager in keys
mental rune
Just gotta go slayer in TWW, the we just spin to win
unreal onyx
it's propably not smart to craft a thingy at max ilvl already, no?
i wanna save some aspects for upgrades
dense elbow
I made an embelishment, and saving the rest to upgrade my legendary
that and whatever mythic piece I get from the vault
unreal onyx
what embell is the best to craft with what stats (if that#s possible) if I wanna play both specs
dense elbow
The wrists, goes for arms and aint bad for fury
pallid otter
Yea i just sent max ilvl ally wrist
unreal onyx
bet, i'll craft those then
pallid otter
In m+ fury prob plays wrists anyways
unreal onyx
I will propably not even max out my 120 aspects bc I can't get into groups
dense elbow
Do your own key, it is da way
chrome plover
I also went max level vers wrists
unreal onyx
495 fury, 497 bm, 490 destro, 493 prot, 496 resto
chrome plover
aspects drop fro 6+ right?
unreal onyx
I feel like they were just bad
dense elbow
Could be the tank keeping pulls small
empty mirage
that hunter was fumbling hard
unreal onyx
Do your own key, it is da way
im on only a +2, I can't stand going up to 6/7/8 now
unreal onyx
Could be the tank keeping pulls small
+7 AA
dense elbow
Doesnt tell me how the tank pulled tho
unreal onyx
(im still using S3 4p)
unreal onyx
I mean, is there really a big difference between routes?
except maybe not pull all lashers at once
we did 2 pulls before 1st tree boss
dense elbow
Some pull everything, all the worms, all the staffs/books in one go
others do 1 and 1 pack
empty mirage
im fuckin with season 4 2p rn
dense elbow
it differs a lot
unreal onyx
2 pulls before 1st boss
dense elbow
Ye, hunter prob just bad
dense elbow
Ye, hunter is a normal raider, with only minor experience.
unreal onyx
Ye, hunter is a normal raider, with only minor experience.
actually true, I just checked his io
he got aotc in s3 in week 14
dense elbow
Explains it - I just hope is having fun with the game
unreal onyx
ye definetly
im surprised how "easy" 7s are tbh
last few days I was struggling hard with pugs to do any keys 6+
not DPS-wise I think the tanks or heals were not the best
granite tiger
with 4p on single target BT have more prio than RB at 35% hp cause of Vicious Contempt ?
ember apex
if u have >95% crit chance on BT you def cast it over RB
dense elbow
Ye - I am starting to understand why my experience is "10s are so easy", as I played with the more experienced and focused playerbase. While especially as the season goes on, and the 2-8 range gets filled with less experienced players, it can feel difficult and be hard to finish on time. As more and more players are simply not knowledgable about their class or the dungeon, nor how to play m+.
frank dawn
with 4p on single target BT have more prio than RB at 35% hp cause of Vicious Co...
The prio won't change, you keep casting BT when the weak aura tells you to
it just does a little more damage in execute range
unreal onyx
Ye - I am starting to understand why my experience is "10s are so easy", as I pl...
try to get into 8s pugs as fury challenge (impossible)
ember apex
i finally got 4p yesterday and it raised my ilvl from like 499 to 507 and i got insta invited to keys after
ngl. i been playing w/ S3 tier for so long i forgot how good s2 tier was
unreal onyx
how are you so high already
ember apex
ok
unreal onyx
im struggling hard to get gear that I can actually use
ember apex
so i did normal, heroic and 3/8M
unreal onyx
I did normal and heroic and got 2 pieces of loot
ember apex
the big thing i got out of heroic (read, only thing) was heroic 2h mace from council
unreal onyx
eranog ring dropped, brood ring dropped, icon dropped
silent burrow
same
ember apex
lmao we aint gettin that pog shit
unreal onyx
all went to reroller chars bc "it's the biggest upgrade for them"
ember apex
so funny thing
im raiding w/ this guid that isnt my normal guild
and i knew we were doing heroic
so normal council dropped 2 normal 2hand maces
the crusher
and i didnt roll on purpose
the other 2 warriors got them
and then we do heroic and i get that one
it was a little gamba move
silent burrow
This is why I always get spooked if normal is done before heroic
unreal onyx
this is the entirety of loot I got this season
ember apex
i did the 5 time walking on my hunter and it got manic grieftorch from quest box lmao
unreal onyx
same but on fury
ember apex
its still like 400 ilvl lmfao
silent burrow
I got fucking bracers
ember apex
thats rough b/c we not even vers stacking this season right
dense elbow
try to get into 8s pugs as fury challenge (impossible)
done
ember apex
i did so much M+ already
dense elbow
ez clap indeed
unreal onyx
I would invite any gamer that is ksm already not matter the class
empty mirage
ive been signing up for mythics for the last hour and a half
unreal onyx
chrome plover
tbh im 250~ score under you and I got into an 8 brackenhide immediately yesterday
pallid otter
I should get ksm just to have it ig
unreal onyx
the ones from me for getting declined from +6s taste the best
pallid otter
Sitting at 1950
unreal onyx
at 1600
unreal onyx
I hate early season pugging
chrome plover
I'm similar 500/512
unreal onyx
that has to be the worst experience there is
chrome plover
worst part is I could equip it all if I didnt use my mark of mastery on the wrong item
ember apex
i just counted, i did 25 M+ dungeons already on my warrior
chrome plover
ember apex
randomly did 8 Nokhud keys
dense elbow
I just showed how ez it is to pug, and still ppl complain, tsk tsk tsk
unreal onyx
easy at 2000+ rating maybe
silent burrow
Charlie tell me you didn't do the helm/shoulders thing
dense elbow
<:deadge:900279927138578432> easy at 2000+ rating maybe
If I did it, so can you! Believe! Just do it!
silent burrow
1811 I think, but I haven't done a key since thursday
ember apex
i started keying on thursday
unreal onyx
1602
ember apex
busy week last week
silent burrow
and I'm 491ilvl lol
chrome plover
Charlie tell me you didn't do the helm/shoulders thing
I got chest from lfr and had my catalyst charge ready, I killed heroic raz and got given the helmet token "for my 4p", went to catalyst the hero gloves in my bags, went to vendor in valdrakken............ and bought a chest
chrome plover
opened a ticket to tell blizzard that I have brain damage, but avg wait time is 8 days so I'll have 4p by then anyway
ember apex
damn
ember apex
i did 24 keys until i got legs to catalyze for 4p. i did one more just to feel the power and then logged off
silent burrow
I won lfr raz token on my pally and took the queue for the next one before somebody not even on the token rolled
silent burrow
never got the token
frank dawn
arent legs the slot we dont want as tier
I mean technically, but it also hardly matters
frank dawn
lol
silent burrow
I got 2 heroic tokens and a mythic helm to cata on my warrior
chrome plover
yeah, i have myth shoulders for wednesday anyway
ember apex
yeah but farming for legs to catalyse
i was just farming anything. i had tier helm drop and 2 tokens one from clearing heroic and one tempostone from normal mode rasz
so anything besides helm would have worked
and once u do 20+ keys in a week
u take anything
chrome plover
yeah fair
dense elbow
Isn't S4 only worth it, if it is HC level or above?
chrome plover
it just sounded like you did 24 specifically for legs
unreal onyx
If I did it, so can you! Believe! Just do it!
so easy to get into 8s
chrome plover
Isn't S4 only worth it, if it is HC level or above?
it's worth it for gameplay change
frank dawn
DIE GRUPPE
tender cairn
pallid otter
I got chest from lfr and had my catalyst charge ready, I killed heroic raz and g...
My guild was being smart and only giving 1 pc of tier to people so we all get 4pc this week
silent burrow
same
mossy fox
yeah i often use that filter too
esp healer has been slow to find this week in my experience
frank dawn
crazy how you nerf all the healers and not so many of them want to play
shocked pikachu
frank dawn
week 1 Tyran is rough
dense elbow
Healers wouldn't qq as much, if all groups brought more fury warriors. Just sayin', that is a fact.
mossy fox
i love it when my pug healers cant keep up with the 3rd boss in hoi
tender cairn
final birch
Feels like that boss slaps more than ever
frank dawn
yo that third boss in HOI pumps tho
silent burrow
I couldn't imagine playing healer this week
chrome plover
yeah in a +9 hoi the healer was doing 300k and everyone was perma low
silent burrow
Everyone is undergeared, half of them don'e have a clue what the dungeon does
oblique trail
I had a holy pala heal 3rd boss HoI with like 10% mana from the start
chrome plover
(i was full hp because fury warrior)
tender cairn
just get 3 fury warrs
oblique trail
2bad that was the 1/1000th healer you meet
tender cairn
ez
silent burrow
Dude actually that 3rd boss is wild
frank dawn
(i was full hp because fury warrior)
final birch
I mean I play with premade healer most of the runs
But its still insane
450k hps casually
In a +10
On day 1
final birch
Hoi is all about 3rd boss atm
silent burrow
last boss big aoe was 1 shotting
tender cairn
reminds me of a vortex run in s2
chrome plover
boss is going to be a breeze at 515 with 1.3m hp
dense elbow
You guys use defencives? I just bloodthirst
silent burrow
idk it did over a million damage to me with IP up lol I didn't expect it to do that much
tender cairn
where we had 2 hunters, pretty much same gear
I was one of them, the other hunter kept dying every 2nd pack to uhh bursting or w/e
final birch
Privilege of being a warrior is you dont have to check stuff early season
You just facetank shit
And dont die
dense elbow
I love Fury Warrior because of that
tender cairn
You guys use defencives? I just bloodthirst
real men slam instead /s
frank dawn
wrong
oblique trail
Stop please
dense elbow
Watch it, it will make your day a lill' better, stop doomin
frank dawn
the like single boss fight to ever exist where that talent would actually work
dense elbow
I will fight doomerism all the way till I no longer play s3 tierset
oblique trail
This is different to dooming
frank dawn
dense elbow
approved
left perch
:Danâs
dense elbow
left perch
phone failed
frank dawn
they make smf meta in tww
wrong
left perch
Iâll game over myself
tender cairn
dense elbow
I will join Vhys game over'ing, in minecraft
tender cairn
it'd be so awful but so funny
silent burrow
I mean we played anni already so fuck it
tender cairn
2h fury? benched
silent burrow
How much worse could it be lol
modest condor
smf just plays the same build as tg but drops 1 talent for smf
dense elbow
Depends on the build you go for, you can just do the meta build - now, if SMF took over TG, it would in TWW be a move of one talent point. Annoying, but as long as I dont have to farm 2handers and 1handers, mix and match for content. I really dont care.
dense elbow
It is
silent burrow
Yeah the 2h/1h farm is all I care about
dense elbow
Now - just going to jump to the end of the this repeating looping convo: SMF should simply be a transmog option.
silent burrow
whichever one is better has to be better everywhere
cause if I have to farm 4 weapons I'll riot
silent burrow
Now - just going to jump to the end of the this repeating looping convo: SMF sho...
100%
left perch
I will join Vhys game over'ing, in minecraft
I saw this guy pre buffed BSL he did like 12th hc kill and got ember and just ran over and leaped of the edge
dense elbow
frank dawn
sleep is the way
warm crag
pre buffed blue silken lining
dense elbow
I got what ya meant, sweet dreams
mystic hill
hella smart bonkers, ive read up on builds n stuff, but it recommends builds based on having either having s3 or s4 set, what build do i use when i have no set (and no bitches)
chrome plover
hella smart bonkers, ive read up on builds n stuff, but it recommends builds bas...
use s4 talents
mystic hill
use s4 talents
ty :3
chrome plover
np
dense elbow
They are s2 talents! 
chrome plover
but they are labelled as s4 on all the guides so I will call them s4 so as not to confuse new/returning players coming here for quick answers :)
dense elbow
hmpfh
eternal sundial
Full optimal no tier prolly skips cshb
viscid jay
Did people only like S3 tier because it did more dmg?
Cause S2 feels way better to me
eternal sundial
S3 playstyle wasnt horrid
ashen socket
S3 playstyle wasnt horrid
Unless you were dogshit
steep fable
Did people only like S3 tier because it did more dmg?
I preferred S3 because prio damage was better and using BT/BB in the rotation made us unkillable demigods
modest condor
i liked it in raid but in m+ it made me want to stop playing
viscid jay
i liked it in raid but in m+ it made me want to stop playing
same
fallen ginkgo
I think s3 was awful first weeks but i got used to it, and i kinda like it now
eternal sundial
Smolderon without S3 will be funny
fallen ginkgo
But i still prefer s2 just becuz we have RB (coolest animation) and rampage prio
ember apex
Does AOTC Sarkareth give another token to us?
half cargo
pallid otter
i liked it in raid but in m+ it made me want to stop playing
Same
fallen ginkgo
Does AOTC Sarkareth give another token to us?
Probably not cuz next week is not a new season. So you would get one only if you didnt do curve this week in VOTI
chrome plover
Does AOTC Sarkareth give another token to us?
no
you dont get the token from aotc specifically, you get it from the "mastery" achievement
awakened dragonflight master or whatever the fuk
ember apex
Thank you
proud basin
I prefer the talent setup of s4 vs s3, but I hate that our 4pc is tied to bloodthirst. Gonna miss all that trickle self healing when my healers stand in swirlies and die around me
modest condor
you're still one of the tankiest specs in the game
proud basin
you're not wrong, but I got spoiled
hollow elk
Impending victory already enough healing to keep you alive without a healer babysitting you
ember apex
i wish impending victory had some form of CDR that u could do if u were getting ur a$$ beat
did a ton of keys and idk whats up w/ the scaling or what but healers would always randomly die first
like electrical storm during 2nd boss of nokhud for example
gilded pawn
thats a hard boss
healers work overtime there
need to pick up every orb
not to mention there has been a lot of healer nerfs since then
upbeat sentinel
Won H Grieftorch in a pug and a DH immediately offered 1.1m gold for it
We rolling in gold
gilded pawn
Won H Grieftorch in a pug and a DH immediately offered 1.1m gold for it
you eating good tonight
clever path
Won H Grieftorch in a pug and a DH immediately offered 1.1m gold for it
You just paid for xpac lmao
upbeat sentinel
Iâm a little confused at him offering so much for the H version when heâll get M for free from Bullions
But I wasnât gonna be the one to tell him
W1 pugs go crazy
south kayak
if he can get that hc version
he won't have to buy the bullion one
keep it for something else
for now at least
left perch
has to be a rwf guy clearly needs min max early in season for (important reasons)
south kayak
dapper goblet
@ember apex welcome back
ember apex
ty
proud basin
I tried it for a bit too. My friends were all "he's figuring out arms!" and all I could say was "I have no idea what I am doing"
silver mantle
No way you gonna see me playing a class/spec with more that 2 buttons
summer quail
i feel i'm just pressing buttons
that's every spec in the game
torpid sand
I tried it for a bit too. My friends were all "he's figuring out arms!" and all ...
I felt the same brother
I tried to play it with cleave and bladestorm
My AOE was insane
But my single target was top tier garbo
silver mantle
Skill issue imo
unreal pollen
that's every spec in the game
proud basin
My AOE was insane
yeah man, I just pushed buttons on our first giga pull of a dungeon and all I did was stare at my abilities. no clue how I dodged the bad stuff on the ground
torpid sand
yeah man, I just pushed buttons on our first giga pull of a dungeon and all I di...
LMAO SAME
HAHA
For Fury, i have everything in my head already
proud basin
it's ok I balanced it out by not looking at boss timers and immediately locked myself into a death swirlie on the first boss of ruby life pools. classic
proud vessel
What will our main stats be for m+ this season?
proud basin
they asked if I macro'd die by the sword to my leggo yet lol
torpid sand
they asked if I macro'd die by the sword to my leggo yet lol
that's an awesome idea ngl
proud basin
it's a joke because our dk dies all the time with icebound up and lately he only dies when using the leggo
dapper goblet
no need to play arms after these buffs coming next week..
hard marten
what buffs?
hard marten
bladestorm one ?
frank dawn
he's actually worked out a giga buff to WF totem so he can be blue man
and we are forever shackled to him
gilded pawn
Compensation buffs for shadowlands
quiet geyser
Our s4 tier set is gonna get buffed. 30-50% extra dmg per stack, just believe!
proud vessel
What is our stat prio for m+?
sullen dove
no need to play arms after these buffs coming next week..
powerful voodoo cope
quiet geyser
What is our stat prio for m+?
There is no "prio". Just use same as last tier, slightly more haste though
proud vessel
Ahh so just upgrading previous crafted gear is fine
quiet geyser
Pretty much, at this point you just want Ilvl higher.
edgy widget
Ahh so just upgrading previous crafted gear is fine
don't forget that upgrading wrists will remove its socket though (since the socket came from S3 vault)
hard marten
Our s4 tier set is gonna get buffed. 30-50% extra dmg per stack, just believe!
can you link the buffs?
dapper goblet
powerful voodoo cope
isnt..
torpid sand
can you link the buffs?
it's a joke mate, a joke
proud vessel
don't forget that upgrading wrists will remove its socket though (since the sock...
ahh rip, was gonna upgrade that first but ill do something else then. Thanks!
quiet geyser
can you link the buffs?
That post was pure
edgy widget
ahh rip, was gonna upgrade that first but ill do something else then. Thanks!
still might be worth, just be aware so you can factor it in your upgrade decisions!
proud vessel
Thanks, appreciated
Is there something similar to last season where we want cloak and wrist or cloak and something else for crafted gear?
Or is w/e and u need embelishment
sullen dove
isnt..
only buff they could possibly save this decrepit spec is changing set to s3 set
modest condor
that would kill the spec you mean
quiet geyser
Is there something similar to last season where we want cloak and wrist or cloak...
Most likely wrist and boots/belt. In a perfect scenario, you use sark cloak
wind furnace
Man really hoping this damn tier is getting buffed, losing 30-40% damage with 4 pc is Badddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
edgy widget
Yeah, it's just prioritizing the weakest stat slot - so wrist/cloak (if you don't want sark)/boots/belt in more or less that order
sullen dove
that would kill the spec you mean
lol yeah
proud vessel
Gotcha, thanks!
sullen dove
thatâs why it was one of the best raid dps last season
proud vessel
Ill go for sark cloak so ill do boots + allied
quiet geyser
Man really hoping this damn tier is getting buffed, losing 30-40% damage with 4 ...
Tuning can still happen đ just have hope(ium).
edgy widget
that would kill the spec you mean
Interesting philosophical question - would people rather play a good dead spec or a popular bad one đ¤
modest condor
thatâs why it was one of the best raid dps last season
yeah but i dont care about raid dps in an m+ season
proud vessel
Good dead, as i can just push my own keys
dapper goblet
only buff they could possibly save this decrepit spec is changing set to s3 set
you will see little bronze newb
silver mantle
yeah but i dont care about raid dps in an m+ season
What about the heroic parses?
modest condor
Interesting philosophical question - would people rather play a good dead spec o...
people would rather play an unfun/bad but high dps spec (and im not specifically taking a jab at s3 fury here)
modest condor
i doubt many people thought s3 sl destro was high level fun gameplay with the rain of fire spam
quiet geyser
only buff they could possibly save this decrepit spec is changing set to s3 set
if they realize realistically you'll never get to 10 stacks, and they modified the set to cap off at 4-5 stacks and adjust the damage accordingly, the s4 set could truck
And be way more fun
silver mantle
Honestly, it's not that bad. There are a lot of other external sources of damage that could gap the difference.
We also raged at the start of s3 when we had to go annihilator
And people were crying about OF
viscid jay
i still hate anni
quiet geyser
Honestly, it's not that bad. There are a lot of other external sources of damage...
Its pretty bad when the "tuning buff" they did arguably made it actually weaker in ST
edgy widget
people would rather play an unfun/bad but high dps spec (and im not specifically...
I guess S3 it is then! đ
modest condor
no đ
silver mantle
Its pretty bad when the "tuning buff" they did arguably made it actually weaker ...
Well, it might be weaker in ST but it's gonna be better in m+
This is basically fury in a nutshell
modest condor
you get to spread your cshb more often at least
quiet geyser
Well, it might be weaker in ST but it's gonna be better in m+
Ya lets take a spec and tier set that is notorious for being weak in ST and make it weaker!
modest condor
i love seeing 509+ rings get beaten by a 483 ring because they're high crit
s2 tierset wasnt weak in st
fury itself was undertuned
we had one of the stronger tiersets on st
s3 was just even stronger than that
oh wait you said spec and tier
i completely skipped over the spec
gilded pawn
buff dual wield spec
modest condor
real
quiet geyser
we had one of the stronger tiersets on st
Didnt that change after the tuning? Fury started great in s2 even for ST, then every other spec got buffed and it fell hard
gilded pawn
ye i remember that
you can have a strong tier and a weak spec
arms suffered from that a bit
sullen dove
you will see little bronze newb
ackshually diamond 
modest condor
xd
proud basin
please cease that train of thought
silver mantle
Execute haters
viscid jay
i wonder how many other class discords are malding over which tier set they got
sullen dove
no one else cuz they picked the correct ones for their spec
modest condor
i think boomkins are unhappy
silver mantle
Wonder if anyone has 2 leggos
sullen dove
Wonder if anyone has 2 leggos
spongus
edgy widget
Well, it might be weaker in ST but it's gonna be better in m+
funny part is that its not even "much" better tbh
sullen dove
i think
steep fable
Wonder if anyone has 2 leggos
does warr and ret pally count?
edgy widget
i think boomkins are unhappy
yeah boomkins hate their new 4p
silver mantle
I'm 14th week leggo enjoyer so I can't relate to you guys
modest condor
yeah they voted for a tierset that got changed and they wanted the pre-change version but got the post-change one
silver mantle
Any later and they should have just mailed it to me with a consolation card
proud basin
Any later and they should have just mailed it to me with a consolation card
2 ppl in my guild got the 15th kill pity
tardy lark
yeah they voted for a tierset that got changed and they wanted the pre-change ve...
And we should all cherish bad things happening to boomies honestly
silver mantle
2 ppl in my guild got the 15th kill pity
One guy got the leggo after he missed 2 weeks of raiding
I malded
silver mantle
funny part is that its not even "much" better tbh
You're probably right but my feelycraft led me to believe that more frequent rav with more recklessness uptime would be better than the s3 rotation
Also fuck slam
quiet geyser
You're probably right but my feelycraft led me to believe that more frequent rav...
The convo wasnt comparing s3 to s2 tier, it was the impact of the "tuning" that the S2 tier got.
sullen dove
Also fuck slam
onslaught when itâs the exact same thing as slam just has a few quirky buffs behind it 
quiet geyser
Onslaught kicks the shit out of slam lol
silver mantle
onslaught when itâs the exact same thing as slam just has a few quirky buffs beh...
Onslaught has a chance to proc recklessness
sullen dove
wow!!!
silver mantle
Infinitely better than slam
silver mantle
Hell yeah
quiet geyser
Onslaught does way bigger damage, acts as your fresh meat, gives you longer enrages, can proc reck, and gives stacks of slaughtering. Not even comparable
sullen dove
we love when cooldowns arenât cooldowns anymore
and are just rng maintenance buffs
sullen dove
5head
silver mantle
Btw, I wish they would break Onslaught again but this time it cleaves for 150% of the damage
That's the real change fury needs
sullen dove
62.2 owns skyhold
dapper goblet
đ§ââď¸
sullen dove
đ§ââď¸
sullen basin
is the legendary supposed to only be like 6% of someones dps i just did a key with a paladin and if its only gonna be 6% idk why im so worried about getting it
grand condor
Higher ilvl/weapon damage/stats too
sullen dove
Me when itâs about to be 15% on Tuesday
algethar pad funnel gonna go kwazy
die to green circle mid channel will be good tho
silk nest
Iâm planning on maining a war for TWW. So I pulled this war out of cold storage. He had LFR grade Season 1 tier gear on, which Iâve since replaced with non tier LFR/heroic/M0 quality gear right now. Just because I canât imagine a scenario in which, S1 LFR tier is better than S4 non tier gear.
So without any tier, for the time being which would be the better spec to DPS in right now? Iâm in arms atm, but I have a heroic gorehowl in my bags if needed. https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/us/proudmoore/conanobrien
sullen basin
Iâm planning on maining a war for TWW. So I pulled this war out of cold storage....
arms
oblique trail
As always
sullen basin
i mean i did normal rasz earlier on my 480 alt with 0 tier items and a 450 weapon and just barely did less dps than a season 3 tiered warrior in 472 ilvl gear
oblique trail
Meanwhile last tier you progged all bosses except 1 as Fury
dapper goblet
sullen basin
every tier except season 2 i progged all bosses as fury because i dont play mythic đ because im not good enough
jovial coral
Meanwhile last tier you progged all bosses except 1 as Fury
Yep always playing arms đ
summer quail
Iâm planning on maining a war for TWW. So I pulled this war out of cold storage....
mans saw the horrible rework then decided to main warrior
flint badger
currently in s4 what is better, arms or fury?
gilded pawn
arm
silver mantle
Furry
left perch
for raids it gaps, for m+ they both do ok
flint badger
for raids it gaps, for m+ they both do ok
what do you recommend for raid?
left perch
between arms and fury its arms afaik
but itâs meme raids too, so play whatever you like tbh
round cedar
is the season 2 set just not cutting it?
covert blaze
oblique trail
In M+ sure, in Raid compared to previous set and Arms now, no
There'll likely still be fights where Fury does really well on, but for general purpose Raid fights, Arms is just better off if you care about playing the best spec per fight
silk nest
mans saw the horrible rework then decided to main warrior <:deadge:9002799271385...
No, I saw the idea of becoming the god of thunder in TWW and decided LETS ROCK!
sullen dove
which is THE fury fight
says who
that assumes fury actually excelled at 5 target cleave
which never happens
arms sweeping overpowers and cleave spam goes brr
frank dawn
target caps totally work guys and make you feel special when it applies to you
jaunty solar
is something suspiciously doing too little % from these or am I fine?
dapper goblet
sullen basin
we do 0 damage to anything below 5 and above 5, right?
proud vessel
Who tf did the tuning on uldaman
pastel agate
is something suspiciously doing too little % from these or am I fine?
Not sure maybe Gushing Wounds should be higher
Did you take the increased crit for bloodbath
talent
hardy cargo
is something suspiciously doing too little % from these or am I fine?
are you prio execute and rampage> Bloodbath?
hard to tell exactly from a details breakdown, but thats what it looks like to me
gilded pawn
that assumes fury actually excelled at 5 target cleave
Thatâs the hypothetical
Fury and outlaw should be gods at 5t sustained
But balance says no
sullen dove
doesnât outlaw hit 8 with flurry
silver mantle
The longer this conversation goes on, the sadder I get
young swan
outlaw just better fury
always has been
versed drum
Is season 2 set that bad? I didn't touch fury much in season 2. Should swap to arms if better?
olive wraith
Arms is better
frank dawn
classes have changed since season 2, arms tier set got giga buffed, fury left behind
surely tuning announced today
versed drum
You think there will be a a tuning?
sullen dove
proly eventually? Idk itâs this weird thing where even tho fury is near a lot of other classes if youâre playing a class where one spec is clearly superior youâd think they would try to bring them closer together
but like whatâs that say for classes who all 3 dps specs are the same dps and are on the lower end then they donât even have anything to play thatâs âbustedâ
jaunty solar
are you prio execute and rampage> Bloodbath?
yeah whenever i see Execute I do it, and before every bloodbath I do rampage (well... so it becomes bloodbath after that)
and for my 4 major cds I usually Odyn and Recklesness immediately
wait until avatar gon
then I do proper avatar
fringe vale
surely tuning announced today
upbeat sentinel
its funny cuz rn arms is better in m+ also <:keks:936231610850897992>
Idk how anyone looks at them stomping us by like 60k in st and thinks âbut weâll close that gap in M+!!!!!â
frank dawn
AM/Ravager bro
so meta
Fury will be one of the best M+ specs fr fr since we voted that bonus
modest condor
love the s3 cryers still bringing up dps
all the people i know that voted s2 did so because of the playstyle and the damage pattern, not because of the dps
olive wraith
I love doing bottom of the barrel damage
modest condor
yeah the tuning was big cap
hard relic
all the people i know that voted s2 did so because of the playstyle and the dama...
based true and real and verified by the AM enjoyers council
hard relic
We were promised tuning and we got âtuningâ
++++++
I cant wait to see the dps distributions this coming weeks when pretty much everyone attains their 4sets
olive wraith
Expecting a reasonable buff when we havenât gotten any all xpac
lone quail
Hello, guy is this have any meaning (weakaura)
left perch
love the s3 cryers still bringing up dps
Iâm crying abt play style and dam fwiw
frank dawn
I like how far fury has fallen on the raid stats already lmao
lone quail
i mean the number
meager void
modest condor
Iâm crying abt play style and dam fwiw
if you dont like the playstyle that's fair
modest condor
i like doing damage on every pack
olive wraith
torpid sand
đ¤
warm crag
if you dont like the playstyle that's fair
unfair!! ban them!! Now!!!
torpid sand
well, that is weird
raid bots telling me to use 2p + 2p
gonna try it once and absolute hate it
desert cloud
How does icon work in a raid situation
sullen dove
love the s3 cryers still bringing up dps
thats all anybody's crying about in s4 now
wild how the turn tables
desert cloud
Do i need to be with a person in the same party or is it raid wide ?
errant steppe
how much better is arms currently?
tardy lark
Do i need to be with a person in the same party or is it raid wide ?
Raid wide
modest condor
how much better is arms currently?
around 10%
errant steppe
thats a lot
robust shore
new 4set barely dps upgrade over old 4set with pieces 20 ilvls higher
Lmao at least we got arms I guess
tardy lark
sullen dove
desert cloud
How much % upgrade is the new 4 set with ilvl and all ?
left perch
unfair!! ban them!! Now!!!
spongus why ????
tardy lark
How much % upgrade is the new 4 set with ilvl and all ?
Somewhere in the 15-20% range depending on what youâre upgrading from
Oh, fury
desert cloud
Somewhere in the 15-20% range depending on what youâre upgrading from
From full bis season 3 or almost
tardy lark
Fury is down bad
desert cloud
Fury
warm crag
spongus why ????
im sorry
desert cloud
How down bad are we talking
tardy lark
I thought I answered you in arms before. Uh, fury needs god
Promised tuning, but got tuning at home
You need big ilvl to make up for loss of a better set bonus
olive wraith
2% rampage buff what more did you want
tardy lark
I mean you could just rng perma reck like a baller
left perch
Promised tuning, but got tuning at home
- âFury is fine in keysâ
- âCritcake does itâ
- âFury doesnât really need tuningâ
- âBeing meta only matters at like top top endâ
- ârUn Ur oWn KEyâ
desert cloud
That was me on rashock with perma reck uptime
sullen dove
wearing old s3 set and talents is literally 13k dps lower than max profile for fury
đ
max is 390 with am rav that 385 is using RA rav
olive wraith
That is hilarious
robust shore
At least we get to save 2 coins since we donât need to buy the Ashkander now
spiral sonnet
hello, i havnt played retail since jan last year, im guessing arms is best for m+, is this the case for raid or is fury better?
torpid sand
One question fellas
When you sim for M+, you choose patchwerk or dungeon slice
Or other option
sullen dove
4 528 slots going to 4 489 slots is a 39 ilvl diff in each slot, times 4 is 156 less "total item level" divide by i think 16 slots (mainhand counting double) for around 10 average ilvl
something like that
olive wraith
hello, i havnt played retail since jan last year, im guessing arms is best for m...
M+ is the only place fury can come close to arms
warm crag
p good on dathea
olive wraith
I want the tuning to be âwe are switching the tier set bonus to season 3 fury and making empowered bt cleaveâ
With a 51% buff to OF
desert cloud
4 528 slots going to 4 489 slots is a 39 ilvl diff in each slot, times 4 is 156 ...
đ¤
sullen dove
spiral sonnet
M+ is the only place fury can come close to arms
damn, arms that far ahead in ST aswell aye? ooft