fury

[granite nimbus]

ill start at around 180-200k and it drops onces all the cds are out

and then its just rampage raging blow rampage raging blow etc

[sullen dove]

no reason to whirlwind if its single target

i think technically a bit better to wait till after charge to ravager

[forest ginkgo]

Do you have 4 set though?

[granite nimbus]

no ... not yet ive only got 2

working on that

[forest ginkgo]

Yeah not worth playing the S4 talent build then imo

play S3

[sullen dove]

also contributing probably

[fickle stirrup]

Idk if it's me not simming something right but when I throw up my 4pc (20ilvls+ than my current pieces) with the S4 build it says I do less dmg overall. Is this accurate?

[sullen dove]

i mean if he doesnt have s3 4set shouldnt play s3 either

[forest ginkgo]

True

[sullen dove]

sometimes possible, r u also making sure you are changing to s4 talents when u swap off

[granite nimbus]

yeah i replaced all the s3 stuff so i went into s4 talents as i get them

[sullen dove]

if u still have a s3 4set it would be better to remain that way

[granite nimbus]

but without either set bonus i feel like i should be focusing on the s4 rotation>

[sullen dove]

until u get new 4set

[granite nimbus]

to get it down

[forest ginkgo]

I think the s4 tier set will sim a bit lower for now since the stat weight is different

[sullen dove]

o u dont have

[fickle stirrup]

Yup!
With my current 4pc with S3 Set I average 264k
With my new 4pc S4 set with the new build it shoots down to like 248k

[sullen dove]

nvm

[forest ginkgo]

And we currently go mastery versa

For s3*

Whereas s4 tier set goes haste mastery i believe

[granite nimbus]

my crit is 38, haste 33, mastery 31 and vers 22

[forest ginkgo]

get ur mastery and versa up a lot more

[sullen dove]

ya... ideally want way more mastery way less crit

verse is fine

22 is pretty big

[granite nimbus]

focus mastery?

[sullen dove]

ya

[granite nimbus]

and haste for s4

[sullen dove]

a little more haste but its not like full focus there either

but prolly should have close to 60ish% mastery at least im guessing

idk what it actually will be

at max ilvl

[granite nimbus]

other than no whirlwind for single target for obvious reasons - am i missing naything from that rotation?? assuming i get s4 tier set

[sullen dove]

i mean idk rotation is generally fine

always prio rampage the moment you can hit it

[forest ginkgo]

I think with hissing runes im sitting at like 25% crit, 30% haste, 29% versatility and 58% mastery

Thats been working pretty good for me with the S3 tier set

[granite nimbus]

ill need to check with runes

[dark elbow]

Okay hear me out i cooked something

[sullen dove]

ya thats gud

[forest ginkgo]

Wait no, kekw i didnt have my fyr'alath equipped

i have 33% haste and 27% crit

[sullen dove]

but ya should def run hissing if u arent already

[dark elbow]

This season we need 32% crit.

For the optimal 100% crit with tierpiece

[sullen dove]

this is definitely a number of all time

[forest ginkgo]

Where was it said we need 32% crit?

[dark elbow]

Think about it

[forest ginkgo]

I feel like, leave it up to the sim

[dark elbow]

My cooking said it

[forest ginkgo]

and it will come naturally

[dark elbow]

S2 we needed 20% so we hit 100% crit with recklessness and 6 procs

This season we het 12% crit per proc

[sullen dove]

except like it dont rly matter if its exactly 100%

ppl used crit phial a lot too then

[dark elbow]

Consistentcy is the key

[sullen dove]

adds a random extra 7% crit

[forest ginkgo]

We have a high uptime on recklessness too

[sullen dove]

yea but like theres a reason 95 and higher generally considered ok to hit

[forest ginkgo]

with AM

[sullen dove]

imagine if instead of 100% its 99%

its basically 100% still but 1 in 100 might miss

so u save 1% crit to use on some other stat

to increase dmg

[fickle stirrup]

sitting at 33% Crit 32% Haste 21% Vers and 40% Mastery rn

[forest ginkgo]

More masteri

But again

Sim

[granite nimbus]

what addon do you use to see stat change after hissing runes?

[forest ginkgo]

Sim sim sim and sim and you'll find the absolute best setup for your character with the gear you have

[granite nimbus]

classic ui doesnt change it

[forest ginkgo]

Wut

[dark elbow]

Sims cant see if it ✨ feels ✨ right

[sullen dove]

it should just increase the number

[granite nimbus]

for some reason mine didnt go up ha

[forest ginkgo]

I mean do you see your buffs

[granite nimbus]

yeah

[forest ginkgo]

On the top right corner or wherever u have the buffs show themselves

[granite nimbus]

but on character screen the stats dont change

[forest ginkgo]

Idk reload, pull it down and up again

Like the character screen

[forest ginkgo]

ow yeah i forgor i am playing with zone of focus too

so thats why my mastery is a bit higher

woopsie

[torpid sand]

I've been using Idol of Trampling Hooves instead of Cataclysmic because i simmed and it said it was better

But man

It feels like shit

lol

[dark elbow]

Exactly!!

[forest ginkgo]

It feels inconsistent whenever i do use it

When i played arms one key it did really good

[torpid sand]

Even in M+, Cataclysmic feels better

[forest ginkgo]

when i played fury one key it did shit

[dark elbow]

The robot doesnt care about feelings

[forest ginkgo]

Cataclysmic is good

If u can have good uptime on it

depends on how the tank chains pulls

But as a fury i prefer using augury and puzzlebox

[torpid sand]

yep, puzzlebox is nice

dropping one tho...

[oblique raft]

yeah the box is a weird trinket

[forest ginkgo]

im just happy i didnt have to farm it for 50 or 80 runs as i did for some other trinkets in season 1 and 2

[oblique raft]

but i use the macro for make it simple

[forest ginkgo]

The vial of animated blood that i farmed in S2 i think? Holy hell i spent so much time trying to get it

80+ dungeons

[oblique raft]

same

[torpid sand]

dude, my rings suuuuuuuuuuuck

[forest ginkgo]

Farm better ones then

[torpid sand]

my current stats are terrible

[forest ginkgo]

not horrible horrible

[feral ivy]

is it better to have loot spec arms instead of fury? including vault

[summer quail]

Yes

[granite nimbus]

is catalyst open yet?

[young swan]

yes

[normal yoke]

On Raz, what talents are you guys moving around for Wrecking throw and Storm bolt?

Pain and Gain seems like an easy one, but not sure what else.

[half cargo]

Probably 1 point out of overwhelming rage, but check logs to be sure

[normal yoke]

Still using S3 tier, so slam-related talents need to stay selected

[edgy widget]

Drop p&g or barbaric training

Both if you also want storm bolt or Int Shout

[normal yoke]

Would you drop barbaric training even if still using S3 tier?

I guess it depends on whether wrecking throw on shields does more damage than the buffs to slam/whirlwind on barbaric training

[edgy widget]

I’d drop it before crushing force, slam/ww arent a huge part of your damage

Wrecking throw is big on rasz cause of the damage buff during shields

[normal yoke]

Fair. Appreciate the tips.

[wanton mirage]

how good is blazebinder hoof

[dense elbow]

Decent enough, 4/6 HC track does as much dam as my old 489 aug

[silk wharf]

I, personally, found it to be abit lacking the first time it was around.

[wanton mirage]

idk i got the base heroic one 1/6 am not sure i should use my resources on it

[cold field]

what is the best training for the ruby shell?

the aoe fire dmg?

[modest condor]

vendor

[cold field]

it sims rly good in aoe and st

[edgy widget]

as I recall, it had RNG issues in addition to the training time, but I personally never bothered to use it

[hardy cargo]

Isn’t there two different ways to train fire breath one for AOE and one for ST breath

[cold field]

yeah and one haste and one crit buff

[hardy cargo]

I forget all the different ways but iirc from s1 it was haste

[cold field]

and if you train one to level 6 it will sometime use the other stats buff

[olive wraith]

Sounds like too much work for a mid trink

[cold field]

you just click a buttom all 24h 😄

[olive wraith]

6 days to make it mid lame

[cold field]

i am using it with the puzzle box cuz i dont have something better atm

it sims better than a 489 augry

[red berry]

wait did i miss them nerfing s3's tierset

[modest condor]

?

[red berry]

nvm i was in a PvP zone

im an idiot

i don't know shame

[open prairie]

i think my favorite part of s4 so far

is watching people realize you cant just ignore every mechanic when you dont severely outgear the content

[modest condor]

yeah seeing people cry about not being able to do +8s even tho they were having no trouble with +18s last season is kinda funny

not like they effectively play with over 30 ilvl less

[open prairie]

nah you needed 470 ilvl to do 18s last season

the people who did them week 1 didnt exist

@modest condor know what i also love? People who buttpull a pack when not in combat and instead of dying out there they just run it onto you

[ashen socket]

No? My highest key timed in last season week 1 was a 22 shit was a joke

[open prairie]

its a joke

[ashen socket]

Even keys right now are a joke

people are just bad

[open prairie]

lmao basically

i saw an sp do under 200k in AA

with an aug

[vagrant imp]

sorry dont have time to read everything, are we breaking old tier asap for ilvl tilll 44pc s4

[summer quail]

No

[meager void]

heyo whats the highest ilvl for Fyr'alath after all upgrades?

[calm mantle]

Season 3 m+ recap

[velvet remnant]

I'm sure this has been asked a bunch of times already... but 2pc S3 2pc S4 or just wait for 4pc S4?

[crystal raptor]

Is Fury a difficult spec to master at high end pve content? In terms of when to use defensive, interrupts, janky tech etc

[summer quail]

Nah is pretty easy

[crystal raptor]

Would you say hitting your highest potential dps (and parsing orange) is also easy as Fury relative to the average spec?

[olive wraith]

I’m dumb and I can get purple

[still swift]

hitting ur potential? probably
parsing? absolutely unrelated but not really

[olive wraith]

Anything is possible

[still swift]

parsing on simple to master specs becomes a lot more kill time, gear and some amount of rng

[sour tundra]

so puzzle box is BIS for mythic + but what are some other good trinkets?

[olive wraith]

From dungeons?

[sour tundra]

yes

i dont raid

[olive wraith]

Hooves are okay

[sinful spoke]

400 dungeons is crazy

[small estuary]

so

Im looking for an easy to follow rotation guide

for m+ build

https://prnt.sc/QkLTvk7MsFCX

[olive wraith]

Wowhead can help

But also you have s4 4 piece already?

[small estuary]

Was reading it

i have 2 piece

[olive wraith]

And 2p s3?

[small estuary]

yes

[olive wraith]

Stick with s3 until 4p

[small estuary]

hm

alrighty

[amber arch]

What is happening to fury rn I do like no damage in keys

Getting gapped by 100k + by pallies and BL hunter all the sudden

I was fine last week

[small estuary]

same but im closing the gap

then again

highest was a +5 so far

[amber arch]

Got hero weapon too. Still running same s3 trinkets tho

Like I’d get it if everyone had new tier sets but it’s basically the same as last week but with a few higher ilvl pieces

Raid is fine too. Might just be the mass AOE in keys

Hunters doing 2.5M on lasher pulls

Also every boss seems like a big f u to melee except pallies

Probably won’t be able to compare with others u til 2 weeks from now when we get augury

Might as well just relax and play ranged putting in all this work dodging and weaving for nothing

[young swan]

hardmode deios > mythic fyrakk

[compact knot]

i did 22 keys today

[summer quail]

I mean if relaxing is your objective in WoW you should play ranged for sure

[compact knot]

items of note are the tramplings hooves and algethar box, bloodied wedding ring and ring from halls all at hero track, not bad to be honest

i do it again tomorrow

[olive wraith]

Hunters have uncapped aoe we don’t

[exotic pelican]

raidb

[indigo arch]

We don't have uncapped because of the vast amount of m+ utility warrior brings

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[torpid sand]

time to start my damn journey as prot (i forgot to remove prot for my loot specialization lmfao)

[oblique trail]

You're already lost when you have prot loot spec picked to begin with

[bitter palm]

vers mastery for prot xddd

[torpid sand]

we use the best we have

!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On a side note, decided to get a ring as my first craft

Recovered the 10% mastery i lost

[covert blaze]

you're gonna replace that pretty fast

[hallow sphinx]

[upbeat plume]

Looking at the wowhead guide for raid is there logic go getting augur over signet brand other then augs rarity? If st is the focus for raiding anyway just curious if I'm missing something

[torpid sand]

eh who knows, i've been only doing M+ and i felt the need to have it for now

• i'm far from having the s4 set

[whole latch]

sims tell me that the old tier set is worth running over the new tier bonus (with the new bonus giving 8ish ilvl)

is this common or should i resim everything tomorrow?

[torpid sand]

it's common due to how weak the s4 set is

[whole latch]

fuck i wanted to be done with the old tier set xd, ty

[bitter palm]

4piece?

[whole latch]

new 4p vs old 4p yes @bitter palm

[covert blaze]

you're gonna buy the vault rings

[edgy widget]

not really that fast tbh, broodkeeper buy is several weeks away and by then you'll have plenty of sparks

[torpid sand]

Oh i have one of them already that i got from heroic

Seal of Diurna

[lament hamlet]

what if they replaced smf with glad stance

[edgy widget]

that's the good one, filial duty is nice but just defensive

so yeah, you could get away with using titanic insight for at least a few weeks

[covert blaze]

we still get 1 half a spark each week right?

[edgy widget]

I probably would have crafted an embellishment first though

[edgy widget]

2 halves this week, 1 half each following week yeah

[bitter palm]

if it's 8ilvl overall then it's definitely interesting but then again i havent done a single sim this season cause its so early everything is an upgrade + tbh idc. im using s4 3piece as arms rn and still outdpsing people in +10s

(dropped s3 arms tier cause i cba with it anymore)

boring ass gameplay

wohoo cant spend rage

[edgy widget]

seems like he's talking about Fury, in which case it's not at all surprising - S3 is demonstrably better than S4

[eternal sundial]

juggernaut build is dead

[bitter palm]

it was never alive to begin with

people fooled by sims

[torpid sand]

i'm watching a noxiv stream rn, man is pushing a +15

Boss got 200M HP

[bitter palm]

ye thats like

oh

+15

cant wait for the funny overlap

on last boss rlp

[eternal sundial]

i did 12k nok that shit was demonic

archer boss

[bitter palm]

on a 15

[eternal sundial]

💨

any stamina talent + stacked ip frogs?

[bitter palm]

why are people not running endurance training and stacking ip

muh 0.1 dps

[eternal sundial]

idk ppl dont like their healers

[edgy widget]

10 felt completely fine
11 was 👀

[eternal sundial]

10 feels kinda shite on arms if ur other dps have hands

[bitter palm]

ye

[eternal sundial]

you cant send ur 2nd wb and get it back for pack after

zzz

[bitter palm]

you get to send ur 2nd wb

(im playing with a ret pala who has hands and a spriest with hands)

[eternal sundial]

in execute with sweep

you only get 4 exes

[torpid sand]

My highest key till now was a +8 Neltharius and RLP and damn i sucked at that Nelth

[eternal sundial]

20 sec cd

[torpid sand]

well, not me

[eternal sundial]

xdd

[torpid sand]

The boss bugged three times

mf didn't spawn chains

We died

[bitter palm]

we have very even damage so stuff mostly dies at the same time

[eternal sundial]

havent had it break once

[bitter palm]

and at 10 targets id rather spam op

than cleave executes

idk this aoe bloat

[torpid sand]

Now i have a +9 Azure Vaults to do, curious to see how it will be

[bitter palm]

is crazy

[torpid sand]

But will do it tomorrow

[bitter palm]

last boss is so much better

than before

[eternal sundial]

YOU WILL PRESS SOS CLEAVE OP AND TC 349862394872 times per pack

[eternal sundial]

no 4p haver

@bitter palmthing is tho

[bitter palm]

bro

[eternal sundial]

even with s3 fury max st i got in keys is like 210

[bitter palm]

op spam feels so shit

im playing cleave

[eternal sundial]

new arms -> 270k

[bitter palm]

with 3piece

[eternal sundial]

in key st

[bitter palm]

idc i dropped s3 2p

cause the sd is so annoying

i cant get anger management

[eternal sundial]

i liked it in aoe ngl

[bitter palm]

i like cleave more

cleave has a good animation

feels powerful

(it isnt for me)

(i dont have 4p)

[eternal sundial]

(laugh at this user)

i need to send some fury keys - but after my AA farm

[bitter palm]

its actually funny

[eternal sundial]

cba play 5t spec in aa

[bitter palm]

maybe i shouldve

prio'd

[eternal sundial]

i think nelt ring is next biggest target after box

idk

[bitter palm]

my weapon upgrade

with aspects

[eternal sundial]

i just sent mine to 522

[bitter palm]

get a 522 one and just upgrade leggo ye

its my highest upgrade from m+

av one

and i have it at hero

[eternal sundial]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gJfFFkDQc8i8TZe3Q3LSe6

[bitter palm]

im so excited to see numbers with more gear

[eternal sundial]

what i have rn#

10k to be gained from trinket and belt

did up some shit now so im 505

508 in bags

[bitter palm]

im keeping irideus fragment to up my bag ilvl

[clever belfry]

if ure below 512 in bags

just quit imo

[bitter palm]

im gonna go now and craft bsl without a crest cause i used my aspects

its like

502 right

i need to drop lariat

have eranog ring

and lost some sockets

[eternal sundial]

I wish man

[bitter palm]

its lfr but

still

2%

[eternal sundial]

Some goober in my pug was locked so 3 item in 20 man

[bitter palm]

on st

[ebon junco]

big

[bitter palm]

tmy are u 431k

yet

[eternal sundial]

Do not loot trinkets

[ebon junco]

I don't loot trinket

[eternal sundial]

Me POV

[ebon junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7cHvEpM97CJ5v9XmsAr315

@bitter palm

on 2nd warrior

have mythic on third warrior today

[bitter palm]

525 bsl and 4p brings me to 310k

[eternal sundial]

Surely you need a guy for first 2

[ebon junco]

xdd

@bitter palm did u not see the logs?

xdd

[bitter palm]

what is this bsl padding

padding isms

sims

55%

[ebon junco]

Ofc

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/arxYd2N8mGX61TKV#fight=79&type=damage-done

@bitter palm

here u go

unlisted logs

[bitter palm]

its telling me to go

haste vers

on torc

[bitter palm]

holy is that a

[ebon junco]

third warrior is nearly juiced

as well

[ebon junco]

don't look @ terros / kurog

[bitter palm]

keep these unlisted

[eternal sundial]

Down bad ye

[bitter palm]

otherwise we will get banned

removed

from the game

ok but ure just smurfing on them in ilvl

arms is surely not this good

:cluegi:

[ebon junco]

😄

If I loot weap + shoulders or legs from first 2 today

I will do more damage on third warrior

cus better gear overall

[bitter palm]

im afk until wednesday

then with 4p i get to play the game

will prob spam algethar

for puzzlebox

idol of trampling hooves outsimming puzzlebox

i remember playing it

in s1

and its a frtonal

[covert blaze]

i have hero puzzlebox

i own you

[bitter palm]

bazed owns all of us

[torpid sand]

based

[tender seal]

[eternal sundial]

Not for me even tho i have bsl

[eternal sundial]

4p I hope

[tender seal]

y

[eternal sundial]

Gang Gang

[edgy widget]

I got idol as well and it's poop

[bitter palm]

dragon games equipment

[covert blaze]

HOOOOLY

My warrior got a bag ring and dh got sark cloak

[bitter palm]

how does siege work

timer

[eternal sundial]

Signoll flare simmed okay - played it in a key

2 procs overall

Xdd

[oblique trail]

2 hours total, every uneven hour is when it ends, every even hour is when it starts

[eternal sundial]

Starts on full hour

[bitter palm]

so it starts in an hour

[oblique trail]

Yes

As it's about to end

[bitter palm]

[oblique trail]

Can check here on Wowhead if curious

[bitter palm]

[eternal sundial]

It ends early when completed

[oblique trail]

Unfortunate

[eternal sundial]

Btw

[bitter palm]

ye it takes no time to complete

i will just afk

based trinket

12s 3.3k secondary proc

[neat coral]

What's the current stat prio for fury? I am finding conflicting information?

Sorry no question mark on last statement 😛

[eternal sundial]

haste mast sim

usually

you kinda just get a mix of everything with proper gear

[neat coral]

ty ty

[wraith wharf]

never in my life have i seen a region get banned for.. operational costs

[eternal sundial]

such an uncommon occurance on a warrior

never seen before

[violet condor]

whats stat prio for fury this season with new tier set?

[dark ice]

What folder do I need to backup for all user settings and addon settings when I want to uninstall the game ?
Is everything in WTF ?

[quaint stag]

shame its only champion, do enjoy some avoidance

[fleet sorrel]

[violet condor]

were all warriors here did you really expect me to be able to read that far up

thanks tho

[maiden shuttle]

honestly hate this tier and much prefer annihilator

[bitter palm]

how xd

what rio are u

im getting insta invited

to 8s

[naive swallow]

hey i just realised i have a question that hasnt long been asked

why , why are blood elves the only race that bladestorms Clockwise

i know , but anybody noticed

[indigo quarry]

they are weirdo thats why

some other model do it the same way too

[bitter palm]

what is this blood elf hate

[eternal sundial]

1940 ish

idk

[sudden tusk]

im like 2050 and still get declined from 9s becuase they "need lust"

M+ brainrot is real

spell you use 3 times in a dungy gotta have it

[eternal sundial]

fr

[bitter palm]

me when a no lust comp times a 32 ad

need lust!!!

[edgy widget]

you probably have, they just didn't cite it

[wraith wharf]

fair, i did see they banned 6 countries because legal reasons

[edgy widget]

not my department, but operational costs include things like getting sued because you don't have legal agreements to operate in the area

and when you get extremely little traffic from those regions anyway, it's just not worth the potential headache

[wraith wharf]

makes sense, just suscks for players in those areas considering wowhead is pretty much the site for wow things

[peak lagoon]

pretty big one was wowhead ceasing their activities in turkey

like a year ago or osmething

[wraith wharf]

granted there are other sites too

[edgy widget]

yeah that's what we're talking about

[edgy widget]

no disagreement at all, just a reality of the situation (though vpns exist)

also fwiw, wowhead had absolutely nothing to do with the decision

[clever belfry]

parent company, i suppose

[rotund ginkgo]

it seems people helped my score :^)

[lost saffron]

@clever belfry @warm crag Es werden Hosen überprüft

[clever belfry]

keine

[final birch]

Meme

[bitter palm]

holy

[lost saffron]

Lust is not important

to time keys

brez much more important

[bitter palm]

bbbbut

how

i need lust...

meta comp has 2 lusts which means more lust=better

right

[deep hare]

@half cargo when we play video game together agen

[cyan star]

Timing keys is easy. just complete the dungeon before the clock hits 0 🤷🏻‍♂️

[deep hare]

i havent been declined to a single key

secret hack called not playing warrior

dont leak it

[deep hare]

wtf u did atal dazar 1 day ago... hacking or

[cyan star]

Can’t get declined if it’s your own key

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-use-your-brain-use-the-brain-think-brain-gif-7914082

[final birch]

Old sc im not on my pc

[deep hare]

yeah nice try bro... i see through ur photoshop smh

[final birch]

Sowry

[deep hare]

trying to be humble i know it was really a 35

[final birch]

Being ranged

Is so overpowered

In that dungeon

We tried to do all saurid pull in 29 with me and 2 rets

I did 40k on that pull while they did 700k

Love war range

[cyan star]

The amount of ret paladins that swapped because “it’s like warrior but with more utility, range, and immunities” 🫠🫠

[final birch]

I mean its a different game

When youre on ret

You can actually deal with affixes and help your group with util/off heal

[cyan star]

Mhm

I dislike rets in azure vault who stand on boss with frostbomb preventing other melee dps

[oblique trail]

2p2p fury might be a play..

(It's miserable)

[fallen ginkgo]

[hardy cargo]

I find 2p2p really fun to play lmfao

[oblique trail]

I don't like no CDR on OF

Only played it because I forgot to swap

[hardy cargo]

playing s2 or s3 talents?

[oblique trail]

S3

[hardy cargo]

oh yea I rock it with s2 talents swap tenderize with of

[oblique trail]

Might be different with AM

[hardy cargo]

I think I will enjoy this week how ive been playing more than 4p

[cyan star]

I just checked fury and can't find onlyfans in my talent tree

[chrome plover]

[deep hare]

dev season

blizz unable to kill aug so instead make dev busted

im here for it

[dawn flame]

Hey guys! I skipped S2 and S3. I mostly played for M+ and semiprogressive raiding. Is it worth/possible to step back in on S4 and have some fun again with M+? Or no chance to get the legendary anymore and I'll need to wait to the next addon?

[cold field]

They should remove that useless 1h talent in the tree and give us a talent for more range.

[chrome plover]

you can still get the legendary from fyrakk, he'll be pretty easy on non-awakened weeks (weeks where amirdrassil isnt scaled up to this season) and there will definitely be groups doing him for the same reason

[wraith wharf]

they are removing most range increasing talents instead for melee

[chrome plover]

and then on awakened weeks ofc it's "current content"

so you can find groups there too, I'm not sure if it drops on lfr/normal (im sure someone is) but definitely on heroic

[forest owl]

is there any information available on what the incremental increase for health/dmg per level is in m+?

[dawn flame]

thanks mate!

[fading sky]

lets talk about emberon as well

[vernal night]

why are we so ass now

[cyan star]

https://tenor.com/view/butt-minion-despicable-me-gif-10193757

[half cargo]

I’m on a break this season, we can game again in TWW

[rustic haven]

They hate warriors

[supple tangle]

You get to buff the paladins and Demon hunters and help them do even more damage 😉

[opal monolith]

howmany of you went 2x shadowflame and dropped vers wrists?

[cunning moon]

i did^^

[opal monolith]

Im considering it , its not a huge deal to lose the versa i guess for survivability?

Unless ur doing very high keys

[indigo arch]

Swapping my lariat for bsl, and keeping my wrist for me

shoulda kept a neck for when lariat became dog again, feelsbad

[opal monolith]

what item level is maxed fyralath

[hardy cargo]

535

[summer quail]

prob very few as versa wrists have full value on both st and aoe, and you get some survivability as well

[opal monolith]

im bs myself and alrdy have em so ifeel like ill just stick with em

[warm crag]

hosencheck

[deep hare]

horsen

[eternal sundial]

you only need 2 pi funnels and you can pretend ur worth shit

[lost saffron]

Just removed

[warm crag]

good

[warm crag]

can you please press N and then arms ty

[eternal sundial]

i wanted to play ravager in a 10 target key

[wild mural]

arm time

[kind torrent]

Hi, I am starting to play furia. I have a question about which weapon to use. If I have a 2 hand weapon ilvl 435 and a 1 hand weapon 480. which one is more profitable to use?

[vapid spade]

as fury two 2hand weapons are prefered

[kind torrent]

Okey

Thanks!

[eternal sundial]

fury time

[wild mural]

no, you are the devil

double PI abuser

[left perch]

Sussypala 👁‍🗨

[eternal sundial]

yes

you dont notice the pi

[fallen ginkgo]

you on 4p?

[eternal sundial]

YES

oops caps

[fallen ginkgo]

[eternal sundial]

the st in keys is criminal though

also brh id do like zero damage to 80% of the mobs

in nokhud since u cant really double anymore its kinda okay

[raw shuttle]

sim says 515spiteful fury is 2.7k dps better than augury for ST. can i trust?

[north geyser]

is there a way on Fury to create a top of character alert for sudden execute being available? like Rime procs on a Frost DK

[raw shuttle]

u can make a WA that checks your buffs for the sudden death proc and display graphics

[eternal sundial]

spiteful is like brand

it sucks on short kills

[jaunty solar]

Should I ditch my S3 4set and have an S4 2-set and S3 2-set or just stay with S3 until i can have it all?

[deep hare]

eye_in_speech_bubble 🗣️ 🔥

[warm crag]

@oblique trail fuck you for not allowing me to purchase yuris revenge for 1.5 euros

[amber arch]

❤️‍🔥

[warm crag]

also is fury meta ?

[compact siren]

also please thank you

[warm crag]

king weapon

[summer quail]

yes, best melee spec in the game

[warm crag]

i specifically asked @oblique trail

[summer quail]

oh sorry, it wasn't in danish so i thought you asked in general

[warm crag]

its okay sorry

[strange gulch]

Until you have it all, S3 2-set and S4 2-set together doesnt make sense. Because with S3 2-set u still need Odyn's Fury.

[oblique trail]

What the fuck is wrong with you!

[summer quail]

yuri's revenge for 1.5 euro is a bargain

[jaunty solar]

Ah thats true its still reliant on the talents, thanks!

[quartz void]

is 2p/2p good for fury or hold till 4 piece

[warm crag]

and banezi denied me this privilege

[summer quail]

typical benzai

[sullen dove]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/148898695696482305/1228276715009347674/togif-1-1.gif

[smoky prawn]

is shadowflame patch gonna be the go to again?

[sullen dove]

its the generally the most "reliable" option for single target but blue silken lining is typically a lot better just that it has the caveat of having to stay above 90% hp

which while more than doable on some fights/dungeons, others it prolly will be a lot less strong but even still a like 40% uptime is pretty good on it i think compared to shadowflame

[smoky prawn]

what about vers wrists

cause thats what i currently have

[sullen dove]

but like if you run higher mythic bosses and super high keys bsl more likely to lose value, but if you just wanna like run all heroic raids and the usualy weekl +10's itll be pretty good

verse wrist also good

i think a little worse than a shadowflame on st but its applicable in aoe so i just made my verse wrist 525

[smoky prawn]

ight

[sullen dove]

but like most top end ppl prolly gonna run either verse wrist/1bsl or just 2 bsl

[smoky prawn]

ye i will prolly be pushing keys again this season

dont care too much about raid st

it sucks anyway

[sullen dove]

yea in that case bsl suuuper strong when you have it active

just gotta take into consideration what dungeon youre doing and if youre prone to be below 90% hp for a long time

[smoky prawn]

i guess vers wrist + bsl it is

[sullen dove]

like certain dungeons/bosses with constant rot damage probably not ideal situation but would be better in places where theres less aoe damage or its just like less frequent big hits u can heal off of

[void oxide]

it's normal that I only do 350k dps with my 4p s4 even though I'm 508 ilvl

[smoky prawn]

overall m+?

[void oxide]

y

I'm telling myself to put my 4p s3 back on

[sullen dove]

i mean 350k is pretty good, but it also VERY depends on the dungeon

[smoky prawn]

^

and on the route etc

lotta variables which is why i think overall in m+ isnt really giving any meaningful information

[sullen dove]

general rule of thumb if youre near/around other dps in your group and you timed the key youre not doing that bad

[smoky prawn]

most of the time

[sullen dove]

but its possible/likely arms wouldve done more dps

either way i mean until u feel like youre actively failing cause of your damage its prolly not that big of a deal, at 508 old 4set probably not gonna do you as good

cause while it is usually a lot stronger st i dont think its as good in aoe

[smoky prawn]

im still considering to roll to ret for this season and see how it goes man, im already being gatekept from groups on +8s to farm gear

and were not even a week in and its already pissing me off

[sullen dove]

yea i mean that shit just happens, feel like especially in early season

if ur not like 510 ilvl and 2k score trying to farm gear get owned

im like 504 1850 sum barely get into +9's

[compact knot]

you kinda gotta work up the ladder till you reach 2k then insta invites to like 8s

[sullen dove]

just gotta recognize theres at least 40 other ppl signing up to the key u are

so chances are pretty low

[smoky prawn]

also true

[sullen dove]

unless u big stand out

it does suck but playing with friends/guildies does help

[smoky prawn]

ye im waiting for them

but wanted to do some keys now

[sullen dove]

yeap

[smoky prawn]

but i guess its time to watch some tube

[sullen dove]

ayo

which one

[compact knot]

the average people applying to 8s and 9s seem to be people around 1.3k-1.5k so if your like 2k you stand out hella

[smoky prawn]

youtube

[sullen dove]

real

[smoky prawn]

real indeed

tho tbh

yt content really blows ass rn idk why

nothing exciting to watch and im not that big into netflix n shit

doesnt really catch me

[covert blaze]

watch something educational

[devout totem]

dont u like watching two-hours-long-video-essay-about-a-retro-game-you-never-heard-before

[oblique trail]

Stop this slander immediately

[smoky prawn]

or i might just go and doomscroll insta for 5 hours

[ashen socket]

True brainrot

[pallid otter]

I don’t have a bad time at 1950 but my in bag ilvl is 510 while i’m 501 equipped

[compact knot]

takes like 2 minutes for me to find a group at 2.1k

[novel perch]

which part of s4 set piece is bad for fury?

head cuz no vers or mastery right?

[summer quail]

legs are the worst out of the pieces, however if you get 4p from legs ofcourse you use them and it's not a huge deal having tier legs at all

[novel perch]

AH

so no legs

thx

[flint elbow]

What piece of gear are you guys gonna buy from the vendor next week?

[plucky ice]

lege

[frank dawn]

If you have the legendary. Nothing else comes close def buy it first

[hearty bay]

What crafted piece is everyone crafting first?

Blue Silken Lining really the best?

[flint elbow]

aight, thx

[sullen dove]

it is but just gotta recognize if u care as much for that optimization vs a more consistent sfp or verse wrist

not that theres any downside really to bsl it doesnt kill your like crit phial just if youre doing content that makes you more prone to taking a lot more damage maybe it isnt as valuable right away

but like when we're 530 ilvl and have like 2mil hp stuff that may trigger it dropping off now is less likely to then cause we'll just be thicker

[hearty bay]

The Verse wrist one is only good if others in your party has it, right?

[sullen dove]

no it just requires you are near other party members

which is basically guaranteed in raid but sometimes stacks fall off in m+

[hearty bay]

Ah ok

[sullen dove]

if u have like a group of all ranged or something

[gilded pawn]

rare but can happen yeah

[hearty bay]

Thank you

Not sure what I will craft yet, I might wait until the reset

[sullen dove]

ya could b good call, if u get some insane 522 bracer with a socket or sum

but i think eventually your main crafted slots gonna either be wrist/belt/boots

potentially cape too if u rly dont care about sark cape but most degenerates prolly me included gonna go for it eventually

[hearty bay]

What you craft?

[sullen dove]

i jus made verse wrists

but tbh if i could go back prolly would send the bsl

free 400 mastery on top of the actual item's stats

but eh

2 weeks

[radiant plank]

400 bit of a understatement

[sullen dove]

400 up from a 486

thats like 600 something

but yea 1k total

[amber arch]

FUN FACT last boss of HOI if you are using legendary close to when the boss sends you away to the water gauntlet, you will remain on the ground and the boss will then slam you into the swirlies and kill you

[sullen dove]

[lean wasp]

did we get buffed yet ?

[sullen dove]

[lean wasp]

lets make a forum post and flood it with comments

[still swift]

@oblique trail

[tardy lark]

Did he do a nono

[still swift]

banezi was like

uptime

[oblique trail]

=)

was worth a try

[tardy lark]

Banezi no anime waifu pfp

New patch new person I see

[fleet sorrel]

[tardy lark]

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-the-old-you-i-miss-you-you-changed-different-good-times-gif-15365987

[sullen dove]

give it 2 days

[ashen socket]

So who do yall think left the key first

[dense elbow]

None did?

Also, lock your window

[ashen socket]

I wish

Nope

[dense elbow]

[ashen socket]

I will stay unlocked

[dense elbow]

[ashen socket]

Nok?

[dense elbow]

Nok

[ashen socket]

The best reflects

Reflect should be that way for every dungo

[feral ivy]

hmm 489 augury or 506 irideus frag?

for m+

[rotund ginkgo]

how can warrior get haste on RWS?

it says "cast on yourself"

[golden hare]

do you still have to train that trinket lol

[paper ivy]

can u play leech enchant on back and wrist?

or must it be avoidence

idk if it helps maxizimizing BS uptime

[oblique trail]

=)

yes

awful trinket

[gilded pawn]

it scales though

just like warrior

by the time you fully trained it you founda better trinket

[golden hare]

[gilded pawn]

o erga is back

pog

[golden hare]

[fickle bluff]

[golden hare]

[deep hare]

[covert blaze]

[eternal sundial]

[wanton mirage]

does leggo stop Sennarth pull?

[sullen dove]

kind of...

but it also... does other things on that fight...

[radiant plank]

Got a jumpscare when i pressed leggo for first time in that fight

[sullen dove]

[eternal sundial]

It yoinks you into his ass

[modern shoal]

Just don't press W

Warr gets the short end of the stick using leggo on sennarth, when I use it on my ret I'm not 1mm from death

[wheat cradle]

done like everything on my main which is DH, thinking of having fury warrior as alt, is it just garbage without tier set

or can i still push lower keys and do decent damage

[subtle lagoon]

2p+2p is simming higher than 4p

[edgy widget]

it does, but if it ends mid pull, you will still get pulled

so you wanna be real careful with the timing - personally I wouldn't bother, since Warrior can leap/charge/intervene it, and you can get bigger Fyr'alath casts by timing add funnel

[midnight kite]

I have also been told if you use the axe far away it will put you in midair after jumping at the boss, as long as your in the bosses red circle it seemed fine though

[wanton mirage]

how do you use charge for your benefit during pulls?

[silver mantle]

Leggo on-use seems like an affix

[wanton mirage]

i understand for intervene and leap

do it on adds?

[olive wraith]

Ya

The smol spiders

[wanton mirage]

ok make sense

[edgy widget]

Yeah, easiest thing you can do is just leap right before the pull (whether to avoid the pull or just create enough distance it doesn't yoink you off), but you can also intervene an ally or charge a small spider

sometimes I need leap to help get up the stairs before a yoink, so having charge/intervene as well can still be very useful

[olive wraith]

Pay an evoker to rescue you

[edgy widget]

also top of the stairs isn't always the safest place to axe

[olive wraith]

Leap saving your ass lol

[bleak oak]

dum question if my offhand is higher ilvl than my leggo should i put it on my main hand and put the leggo on offhand?

[edgy widget]

yes, highest ilevel always in MH

the lego doesn't care if its in the OH

[bleak oak]

thanks sir

[willow cradle]

Lmao nice save tho

[wanton mirage]

Archimitros beating Kanye West in Rap battle

[wheat cradle]

ugh

to boost a fury warrior

god damn shit look fun

[elfin solar]

what is the bis stats for fury in season 4

[young swan]

haste = mastery > vers > crit

but also just sim ur dude

dont blindly stack certain stats

[elfin solar]

ty

[open prairie]

week 1 of the season it’s gonna be ilvl>

[smoky prawn]

ill have to buy the axe upgrade token thing right

[young swan]

ye

[smoky prawn]

sad

[flint elbow]

do i need to upgrade my legendary to 535 or does it become 535 as i use the upgrade item?

[young swan]

u need to upgrade it

[young swan]

u just collecting them or?

[warm crag]

yoink

[young swan]

yo thats kinda based actually i lowkey want a bonus lego

[flint elbow]

well that sucks

[young swan]

shove it in the bank

[warm crag]

i will dualwield this shit

[chrome plover]

fck bro i have so many crit

[fallen ginkgo]

how much st we lose with s4 set?

[warm crag]

you will probably gain st from raw ilvl alone

[young swan]

owned

bad

sit

[fallen ginkgo]

no, like how much we lose when s3 same i lvl

[warm crag]

is there anyone else that has two legendaries

[chrome plover]

2 crit heavy rings

maybe i put crit heavy neck on too fuck it

6k crit

[willow cradle]

Do you know what caused you to get 2? Cause that's honestly hilarious.

[olive wraith]

Yes

[oblique trail]

Killing boss on mythic and being given the one that drops for the group

[tardy lark]

our fucking evoker has one

[willow cradle]

I guess someone in the group had to be eligible to get one for it to drop cause we didn't see any drop on our mythic kill

[oblique trail]

It's not guaranteed

[tardy lark]

we had 13 and saw 1

[left perch]

@warm crag how do you have 2x 496 tho

isn’t the drop one 500

[tardy lark]

nah

[left perch]

the quest item was for me

the one you put on and kills you

[tardy lark]

496 in bags on my alt warrior

[left perch]

weird

wtf 500 was I having

[wheat cradle]

Will fury do okay in mythic without tier?

Bout to fresh boost and prioritize I’ll

IL

[fallen ginkgo]

fury is down bad

[olive wraith]

I mean you’ll be tanky

But probably get gapped

[torpid sand]

like

fury will be good in sustained AOE

[manic gulch]

guys for s4 shadowflame x2 or bsl x2 for embellishments ?

[torpid sand]

i think it will be even better than now

but for single target

[torpid sand]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/e/2PACX-1vThuWdF77rcZ3OF1a2xMgnMM5Udo8mpn9n3gx8IymKNabO-jg3LnE7LQV_t-EjQPcAzqiDdjztIOwZW/pubhtml?pli=1

tldr BSL

[manic gulch]

oh

ty

[supple tangle]

Is augury still worth buying with a token? Its moved down quite a bit on bloodmallet

on MT

[olive wraith]

I’m pretty sure it’s the best 2nd buy

Behind leggo

Double check that though

[upbeat plume]

For raid its the eranog ring I'm pretty sure

But for the best flex peice between m+ and raid yeah I'd think it's augury

[gilded pawn]

buy the very rare one

[humble bramble]

What changed from season 3 to now that made fury drop off ?

[sour abyss]

Is anyone else finding the S3 tier set is still better? I'm 500 ilevel and I have for sure lost about 20K pds

[red peak]

The Set bonus , I think the advice was if you can stick with T31 until you have 4 piece

[sour abyss]

Yes, I have the full 4set already

and aside from the single target loss we knew was coming, it actually feels like losing Odyns has nerfed aoe peaks as well

Popped off for 1.5 mil in the AA garden pull w/ S3 set, can barely get up to 1 mil w/ the current set at 10 more ilevel

[frank dawn]

Everyone told me AM/Ravager was way better aoe damage tho

What do you mean

[sour abyss]

The AM/Ravager reset is quicker than the Odyn's 4set, but the actual aoe output from Odyns felt higher

May just take more practice, but this actually feels weaker.

[eternal sundial]

if you get to key levels where you just send 2/3 ravagers per pack is just perma blasts

no downtime really

[wild mica]

look at arms damage, this could've been us if people voted s3

[charred panther]

Sadge

[eternal sundial]

fury is fine

[wild mica]

could've been finer

[eternal sundial]

you just need a decent st class

and u can slam small packs perma

[dapper goblet]

big news tuesday/wednesday

🕵️

[wild mica]

gladiator spec?

make us the second support class

[olive wraith]

Im pretty sure of comes up faster ravager was roughly 30-45 seconds whereas of is like 20ish I think

[warm flax]

For season 4 i’d like to play my warrior for nostalgia’s sake.
I hear however you kinda ‘need’ the legendary axe, will it be easier to obtain in season 4?

[dense drum]

Anyone with 4-set fury tier set tracker / crit buff

Wa*

[olive wraith]

In pins

[olive wraith]

It’s easier in the sense you can farm heroic amird on the off weeks with your higher ilvl

It’s the same in terms of drop rate (100% after 14 clears)

Heroic clears

[eternal sundial]

@tidal kindle do you have the frothing berserker proc weakaura on hand?

[warm flax]

thanks

[lofty delta]

I can't remember how to play anger management, oh boy.

this feels so weird

[eternal sundial]

feels okay ngl

[edgy widget]

it's honestly not that much different if you ignore the visuals and just focus on the button flow

[silver mantle]

Just drop tenderize and get OF

[edgy widget]

I mean you pretty much alternate RB and Rampage, much like BT and Rampage; press Reck & Rav (macroed) every ~30s like OF

[silver mantle]

That way you got them both

It's actually the play, especially in AA and Bracken

[dense elbow]

Well, that aint just right - ramp, ramp is not a thing we in s3 and so on

Flow is different, less static and more fluid based on ragestituation

[silver mantle]

Big AoE

[lofty delta]

big question i can't remember the answer to, do i hold avatar for reck+rav or hit that shit on cd too?

[edgy widget]

ramp -> ramp can happen in S3, but you shouldn't do it in S4 tier either
if you ramp -> ramp, your following RB won't generate enough rage to rampage again, so you're going to break the flow; so you end up going Ramp - > Ramp -> Rb -> fill -> Ramp
it's basically always better and smoother to just Ramp -> RB -> Ramp -> RB and ignore your rage

[eternal sundial]

for 10 secs max i think

so if ur rava is 30 sec away or so youd hold

[dense elbow]

Hold on, ya don't want to dump rage with ramp, ramp, ramp, when able?

[eternal sundial]

since its roughly 1/3rd of the actual cd if u have uptime

[fervent turtle]

hey guys, just quick question, could i also go for elemental lariat instead of Primal Molten Vambraces as crafted item?

[edgy widget]

see previous

[dense elbow]

updated? updated

[edgy widget]

S3 and S4 are 95% the same exact playstyle, just with different buttons

[sullen dove]

fury buffed by 5k dps

[dense elbow]

3% aurabuff

[edgy widget]

lariat falls flat without full sockets, even with it's only kinda mid

[sullen dove]

and while the same "playstyle" their "impact" is different in that s3 had strong sporadic cds every 90s

vs whatever the hell this is

no important cooldowns to speak of

[edgy widget]

S4 also has strong CDs every 90s

[fervent turtle]

ok it "looks" kinda strong but i wont craft it then

[edgy widget]

issue is that you're proably going to replace sockets as you go in S4

[dapper goblet]

🕵️

[sullen dove]

i mean, trinkets can come off cd around then but aside from like, roar, a few more seconds of avatar and reck is not close to impressive compared to what happened on 90s last season

when reck is 95% uptime and avatar is like 50% uptime they just arent strong

[eternal sundial]

30 paragraphs
20% slam buff

[sullen dove]

and are barely cooldowns

[lofty delta]

i know sims say otherwise but i feel like the new tier is less dps xD

[edgy widget]

they're not really weaker, they just don't spike so they feel really unexciting

I mean S4 itself is weak yeah, but that's not the 90s CDs, that's just cause the S3 tier was a juiced ST gain every ~20-30s

[dense elbow]

"We see and have heard Fury struggles with ST DPS, to counter this we decided to push the 200% slam damage buff"

S3 OF burst AoE with big cunky prio dam, felt good

[sullen dove]

s3 just too good for us

[edgy widget]

nobody wanted to believe 😭

[dense elbow]

I did wdum

[lofty delta]

i'm kinda glad we're going through cold turkey with S4 tho since annihilator is ded in TWW

[dense elbow]

[edgy widget]

and everyone who was going on and on about how great S2 set would be are playing Arms anyway

[dense elbow]

[indigo quarry]

free tuning set

[fervent turtle]

not me xD

[eternal sundial]

remember they said itd be tuned accordingly

[dense elbow]

They did do that

we all knew that was bollocks tho

[eternal sundial]

(12% buff per stack)

[edgy widget]

it was

[eternal sundial]

my fury sims 270 my arms 312

[frank dawn]

Tuning announced tomorrow for sure

[eternal sundial]

love gaming

[meager void]

If you voted s2 and are currently playing Arms: you are part of the problem.

[dense elbow]

Shiet, I sim 262k, you pumpin' brotah!

[eternal sundial]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7C3aHLzn3Qwwvt3jKTbGWQ
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pAxkg9Zjw9ZXvQfrrPTgjg

pretend this is relevant pls

[eternal sundial]

(4p abuse)

[edgy widget]

it still blows my mind how the same people saying S2 was "so much better for AoE and would save Fury in M+" were the ones simultaneously arguing that "AoE didn't matter and priority damage was so much more important in M+"

[frank dawn]

[dense elbow]

Ye... that was... an interesting month

[fervent turtle]

aoe doesnt matter in M+? ok.

[sullen dove]

both matter

[eternal sundial]

i mean back in s2 the st was comparatively high

now it stinks

rip

[meager void]

ST was shit in s2 wdym

[edgy widget]

there are grains of truth in both directions, but the two statements are still a contradiction

[sullen dove]

ya was just answering that guy

[eternal sundial]

s2 fury did strong st for an m+ talent loadout

[edgy widget]

yeah the reply was aimed at him not you, was agreeing with you saying both matter

[sullen dove]

[willow cradle]

We just don't lose as much ST as other specs when taking our AOE talents is all