Sometimes it's rampage>rampage>rampage too
#fury
wild mica
austere drift
why you gotta be a dick man with the emotes lol, literally was just asking a question
olive wraith
Remember when s2 was complaining about s3 being a 2 button roration
robust basin
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sullen dove
whenever thatโs up that takes prio over raging blow
silent burrow
Sometimes it's rampage>rampage>rampage too
ravager moment 
austere drift
which i thought was the point of a class discord
clever belfry
and i gave u an answer
feral ivy
Sometimes it's rampage>rampage>rampage too
is that when i dont have anymore stacks of raging blow?
hollow elk
why you gotta be a dick man with the emotes lol, literally was just asking a que...
Stop interacting/ignore. Already or keep complaining
sullen dove
is that when i dont have anymore stacks of raging blow?
no sometimes u just get rage so fast u can hit ramp twice in a row and itโs still better to do so
olive wraith
is that when i dont have anymore stacks of raging blow?
Nah sometimes youโll have enough rage incoming to rampage multiple times in a row
silent burrow
is that when i dont have anymore stacks of raging blow?
no, if rampage light up, you press rampage. Period
feral ivy
ahhhhhh didnt know that
silent burrow
in s2
austere drift
and u were being donkey about me making shit up
all i said was provide some info lol, whatever done with you man have a good day
silent burrow
tier
clever belfry
all i said was provide some info lol, whatever done with you man have a good day
u2 :3
sullen dove
only exception might be if u ramp once, reck/rav come off cd prolly hit those again b4 ramping again
clever belfry
only exception might be if u ramp once, reck/rav come off cd prolly hit those ag...
even then, unless this happens like 10 times in a fight
u dont lose a use
so xd
feral ivy
yall explain this so well ty
sullen dove
:3
brazen island
you don't wanna ramp again to spend rage before hitting reck and rav?
sullen dove
i mean it doesnโt really matter but might as well put them on cd
to get more AM value out of it
clever belfry
u wanna use the ramp after to cdr the next one
(and for the ramp to be buffed from reck/ava)
silent burrow
Honestly I think for someone starting out, I personally don't point out the small % exceptions to things like that. New players just need to understand the most basic part of doing dam
brazen island
right, i guess i was just thinking if you're literally at rage cap, might be better to ramp first since you'll get another ramp right after pressing reck/rav anyway
silent burrow
Like, use cd's
brazen island
like if you reck/rav, your next gcd is for sure a rampage anyway no?
silent burrow
press button
modest condor
you use ramp whenever available to make use of the cdr from AM
clever belfry
Honestly I think for someone starting out, I personally don't point out the smal...
yeah but in this case u can really just push the optimal thing
cause the optimal thing here is "press cds, press ramp"
modest condor
if reck and rav arent on cooldown then there's no point in using rampage for cdr
silent burrow
I mean it's basically, button not have number counting down on it, press button
button light up
press button
sullen dove
silent burrow
bingo
clever belfry
but the masked man below must be greyed out
fading sky
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oblique trail
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clever belfry
my rampage is bound to r
silent burrow
rilly big dammy
manic gulch
clever belfry
@oblique trail do i press bearded man or masked man first
hushed barn
does anyone have an all class S4 sims link? I see people linking screenshots but no link to the results themselves
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> do i press bearded man or masked man first
You press both at same time
Bug is fix!
clever belfry
thank for informationes!!
clever belfry
yes in s2
manic gulch
clever belfry
u had to use the correct order
clever belfry
otherwise you would lose 6s of avatar
sinful spoke
is icon not good anymore after the nerfs?
silent burrow
bug bad
manic gulch
s2 i started so i didn't get to play important content
clever belfry
this ordering has a reason
fading sky
They fixed it going into S3
but in s3 u wanted to push Reck- charge - of - avatar after 5 seconds ๐
oblique trail
but in s3 u wanted to push Reck- charge - of - avatar after 5 seconds ๐
You just straight up didn't use the talent which is why the change didn't matter going forward
clever path
probably a dumb question but is it worth playing fury without fyr'alath this tier? would just be my alt
empty mirage
if u aint got the set youll be less useful but you can still do it
oh u said fyrlath im buggin
nah u dont need it
i dont even have it and i do just fine
sacred lantern
Reading the new guides @edgy widget is it a better idea to swap arms for ST heavy Awakened raid fights since we don't have the S3 Tier Set anymore? I've never played Arms so I'm trying to figure out if I should consider learning that spec.
radiant plank
U should only play arms 
edgy widget
- Arms pretty heavily outperforms Fury once it gets the S4 tier bonus, so yeah, you'll probably be better off overall
- most people probably won't get full tier till next week, and S3 is close enough you can kinda play whichever (there are a few fights which obviously favor Arms, like M Sennarth & Kurog, though)
sullen dove
otherwise you would lose 6s of avatar
8 sec โ๏ธ ๐ค
clever belfry
faaark
sullen dove
its gonna be cringe tho on like most amirdrassil fights choosing between either playing arms or a severely inferior version of fury on fights made for s3 fury
rest in peace days of doing anything on tindral
indigo quarry
maybe smolderon can see some big pewpew
indigo quarry
ask your flyer to come down slowly
sullen dove
odyn was nice cuz get in get out real quick do 90% aoe dmg to em b4 they die
indigo quarry
and delte warlock
sullen dove
o tru didnt think of that
low folio
i just need my bullions and then off to M+ once iget all i need
fervent turtle
just to confirm, BT is only pressed about 95% crit?
its not party of the "rotation"
sullen dove
ya pretty much
fervent turtle
part*
sullen dove
if u gotta press it earlier with enraged regen to stay alive you gotta do what you gotta do
but damagewise ye u wait until its just about a guaranteed crit
austere drift
theres a WA for it in the pins as well that'll help you know when
fervent turtle
yep, i just saw the talents now and wondered if its maybe used more because its so talented out
lilac ingot
anyone have the info on what spec is anticipated to be better this tier?
if its a big disparity?
lilac ingot
just to confirm, BT is only pressed about 95% crit?
get the weakaura
restive peak
Arms is massively ahead assuming no tuning
steep fable
anyone have the info on what spec is anticipated to be better this tier?
Both close'ish in keys, but arms leaves fury in the dumpster for prio damage
steep fable
Not according to:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0
sullen dove
i mean... ya
he said "not according to" in your response to "they're closer on prio st"
i assume
plush juniper
That spreadsheet also shows 5T cleave which is optimal for fury
sullen dove
i think the comparison there is m+ st builds where arms is around 370k and fury at like 305k
yeah
plush juniper
sullen dove
so he's disagreeing with your statement that arms and fury prio damage is close
which i mean 20k is maybe a little bit closer than pure st
steep fable
Right. Arms is wildly superior in ST. And they are close in AoE
lilac ingot
Both close'ish in keys, but arms leaves fury in the dumpster for prio damage
wild how ashkandur+fyralath doesnt beat arms
olive wraith
Also idk if Iโm blind but I donโt see an m+ build st dmg
sullen dove
but like arms is a decent bit ahead in every front i think
frank dawn
don't worry guys everyone told me blizzard would tune our spec even if we voted for a bad tier set
restive peak
Arms is better in every capacity without changes, ST/prio dmg in M+ build/overall M+ dmg etc
olive wraith
Iโm talking in m+ builild
restive peak
Arms still does better ST dmg in M+ build
Or it's extremely similar
But way better AOE
So you'd still pref arms
olive wraith
Oh see so Iโm right
sullen dove
idk you called them "close" which u can make an argument for
but he was just arguing against
oblique trail
Would also have to see which wall you hit first, survivability or damage
restive peak
They're not close
indigo quarry
don't worry guys everyone told me blizzard would tune our spec even if we voted ...
thats why i assembled my gang to get the tuning built in
olive wraith
1-6k rang is pretty close
low folio
still gonna play fury, i just dont like arms
indigo quarry
we did some RA sim to have funsies
sullen dove
nvm yea m+ st prio is close enough, but arms in that m+ build i think is jsut better aoe
olive wraith
For sure
sullen dove
its fine if its there but the first one bruh?
olive wraith
lol
sullen dove
i looked at top result and thought "this was the highest dps one just like arms is"
olive wraith
Gotta play anni before it leaves
restive peak
Can stay fury til you have 4pce though
ornate bobcat
Can we start to play arms M+ spec without S4 bonus? to start to learn it?
gray osprey
You should have S4 set by next week, so not much of a wait time before the swap
low folio
i hate cleave
restive peak
It's pretty diff tbh, you'll need to tclap etc, cleave instead and such
sullen dove
idk i still tclap on cd to spend rage
hasty path
It's pretty diff tbh, you'll need to tclap etc, cleave instead and such
Iโll clap ur cheeks
sullen dove
cuz nothing else spends rage
restive peak
Like if it helps you, sure, but it's not the same as now
ornate bobcat
I am new fury warrior in S3 so play style will be different for both fury and arms so I figure I might as well learn arms first
sullen dove
fortunately fury is rly easy next season
hasty path
idk i still tclap on cd to spend rage
TC is like bottom prio but ye
sullen dove
but ya arms not bad either
restive peak
Fury this season is even dumber than now, it's pretty faceroll
brittle crow
I am new fury warrior in S3 so play style will be different for both fury and ar...
if it makes u feel any better we're getting furys permanent playstyle back
restive peak
Arms is a bit clunkier in AOE, ST arms is 2 buttons anyway
hasty path
Yeah s2 fury is braindead
brittle crow
s3 was the exception
restive peak
S3 was better
deep sapphire
Hey surprise guys, Arms is going to be the better raid spec again. Who could have guessed that.
amber arch
We getting talent builds and rotation for S4 on wowhead soon?
oblique trail
Hey surprise guys, Arms is going to be the better raid spec again. Who could hav...
Fury has been the best all season basically?
deep sapphire
Exactly, it was best season 3, and we voted in season 2.
oblique trail
Ok so it's just bait
warm crag
time them out NOW!!!
amber arch
S3 was sick I liked the insta damage from OF and the ST funnel it provided
plush juniper
Odyns Fury is a fun af button to press imo
deep sapphire
Arms was the top dps on most of the fights in the raid so I don't know how you can't say it was better
in season 2
gray osprey
Arms was decidely the better spec in S2 for raid
warm crag
you played fury for prog for most fights
deep sapphire
Fated isn't going to be prog fights
restive peak
Arms has not been the pick for prog in ages. And none of this is prog, you can play fury if you want
oblique trail
Arms is in fact also fairly unkillable but not as much as Fury
warm crag
Fated isn't going to be prog fights
i mean yea it will be on the first wave of raids if sl fated was anything to go by
oblique trail
Just needs you to be aware of how to play the spec and use defensives
warm crag
what even is your point
paper ocean
Just play whatever u like to play. Ive never cared about the best spec. Ive been fury for 3 expansions
hasty path
Just needs you to be aware of how to play the spec and use defensives
Compared to fury arms is absolutely less tanky or has to sacrifice more to be remotely comparable
amber arch
what is the "reduced effectiveness" or avatar when it procs from Reck?
hasty path
Like sure you can sit in dstance for damage
oblique trail
I didn't say it wasn't less tanky
sullen dove
what is the "reduced effectiveness" or avatar when it procs from Reck?
they each last 8 seconds when procced from the other
oblique trail
But waht do you mean have to sacrifice? Rage for IP?
sullen dove
as opposed to i think 20 sec av and 12 sec reck base duration
oblique trail
Arms is still tanky if you know how to play the spec
gray osprey
Are people forgetting you rage dumped IP in Season 2?
sullen dove
miss that...
hasty path
Are people forgetting you rage dumped IP in Season 2?
For arms?
restive peak
Ofc it's still tanky, fury is passively tankier and has a higher hp pool
sullen dove
ip actually good button...
restive peak
But yes arms can be more than tanky enough played properly
oblique trail
The biggest thing as Arms is that you have to be more proactive than reactive
hasty path
I mean yeah itโs not gonna fall over like some specs but itโs not close to fury
Die by is a nice niche button at times tho
humble plover
why are people still arguing tier sets here instead of learning how to play shadow
amber arch
and what is the S4 playstyle like? Are we mashing rampage no matter what now to not overcap?
hasty path
Rampage is now giga prio again
80 rage, send rampage
And only bt when above like 95% crit ideally
amber arch
so 6 stacks Im reading?
oblique trail
Whenever you're =>95% crit chance
amber arch
when do I hit onslaught?
low folio
when you need rage for rampage
hasty path
when do I hit onslaught?
When itโs up and you canโt rampage
Onslaught is just big on demand rage gen
sullen dove
onslaught basically just "stronger raging blow" in that if you want to hit raging blow but onslaught is off cooldown, u hit onslaught
deep sapphire
The only thing I'm potentially happy for with Season 2 is there was one time I was fighting Terros and I had Recklessness up for 100% of the fight so that could potentially be fun.
sullen dove
we get bladestorm next xpac huh
amber arch
now our AOE is just roar and standard rampage cleave?
sullen dove
The only thing I'm potentially happy for with Season 2 is there was one time I w...
that should always be the case, like this season reck uptime is like 95 or higher or you feel like shit
hasty path
Ravager
sullen dove
now our AOE is just roar and standard rampage cleave?
and ravager
amber arch
does it do good damage or just buffs us and generates rage?
hasty path
does it do good damage or just buffs us and generates rage?
Both iirc
oblique trail
Ravager does good damage, but a lot of it comes from Hurricane
hasty path
But hurricane goes crazy
amber arch
I find the fun part of Fury is hitting CDs often, so I guess im happy AM is back
sullen dove
also avatar/reck every time you press it
amber arch
ya but those arent as exciting as OF or bladestorm
hasty path
Fury is back to perma CDs basically ye
hasty path
Brother
deep sapphire
I assume we still have the bug with avatar and recklessness where we have to avatar first?
gray osprey
If it's up 100% of the time, it isn't a CD at that point
hasty path
Bladestorm is not a button fury has
amber arch
Bladestorm is not a button fury has
before this season, last time I played was Shadowlands with double bladestorm builds. that shit was fun
sullen dove
If it's up 100% of the time, it isn't a CD at that point
correct, part of why it feels shit
hasty path
I donโt think fury has had it since DF start
oblique trail
I assume we still have the bug with avatar and recklessness where we have to ava...
It's fixed
sullen dove
it no longer being a cd means its just integral to your identity playing the spec and when you lose it you feel so bad having to hit like 4 generators in a row before you can rampage again
amber arch
so on pull we can hit both reck and avatar at the same time ? the buffs will stack?
sullen dove
yes
amber arch
cant wait for tanks to drag packs out of my ravager
warm crag
thats not a real issue imma be real with you
fervent turtle
can anyone send me S3 M+ build import string pls
hasty path
Hurricane matter smore anyway
deep sapphire
My favorite thing is casting ravager and it decides to go up on the ceiling or a chandelier because the game hates me.
hasty path
can anyone send me S3 M+ build import string pls
Sir s3 is over
hasty path
My favorite thing is casting ravager and it decides to go up on the ceiling or a...
The wild spirits special
sullen dove
My favorite thing is casting ravager and it decides to go up on the ceiling or a...
game makes you aim
fervent turtle
its over when i got new tierset ๐
amber arch
actually that raises a good question
when we log in today, Im assuming we wont have the new tierset
sullen dove
...yes
amber arch
and our old one wont work
sullen dove
they still work
amber arch
Oh ok haha
gray osprey
Old one works fine
amber arch
I was like what the hell we supposed to do
sullen dove
gray osprey
That would be cursed though if Blizz disabled the previous tier sets each season
deep sapphire
So do we know if we have to spend the bullion crap to upgrade our Leggo or can the upgrade drop from the raid?
sullen dove
historically theyve nerfed super good tier sets to basically force you into the new tier, but i think they prolly dont need to do that anymore cause literal 40 ilvl jump
sullen dove
So do we know if we have to spend the bullion crap to upgrade our Leggo or can t...
idk if anyone knows this yet
dapper goblet
happy season 2 day everyone
olive wraith
If it drops at s4 ilvl thatโs dumb
clever belfry
happy season 2 day everyone
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sullen dove
moderators this appears to be a bit of spam
dapper goblet
deep sapphire
At least we can effectively use Eggnog ring this time around.
sullen dove
tru
25% of our dmg mickey mouse fire damage effects from all 3 raids
18 different sources of fire dam
indigo quarry
fire warrior spec
sullen dove
very dragon
deep sapphire
Guys we need to make a pact to all severly underperform on damage as Fury to get Blizz to buff us more.
sullen dove
dw you wont have to do much
clever path
^
amber arch
so our only uncapped ability is Ravager every 1m30? everything else is hardcapped 5 right? Even ravager is soft capped 8
amber arch
OH
clever belfry
so our only uncapped ability is Ravager every 1m30? everything else is hardcappe...
roar is more relevant
sullen dove
and roar too yea every minute or 90s
amber arch
i didnt realize it reduced ravager too, thats good
sullen dove
ya
only way it'd be good
90s ravager blows
tho had to use it in s1 cuz nothing else was good
radiant bronze
Push buttons fast for max rampages get cds back
amber arch
I do 90s because I cant stomach running without shockwave
sullen dove
amber arch
for roar I mean
olive wraith
good take
deep sapphire
Download the weakaura that make yours bloodthirst go chaching when you're supposed to hit it.
olive wraith
swave good
sullen dove
yazuka... 
amber arch
I can get buillons from M+ right?
I guess I should watch a video on this or something
at least I'll be able to buy an augery
lapis lion
hilarious we're really back to this dogshit build because EU votes got gamed
deep sapphire
I gotta say, I love teasing the other dual-wielders in the game that we only have to spend crests once to upgrade our weapons.
olive wraith
i think buillions are raid only
gray osprey
Once again, I hope everyone who voted for S2 enjoys playing Arms this season
marble pilot
I didnt vote. But I like S2. Also wont play arms
pliant obsidian
were back to haste mastery builds i can't wait lol
sullen dove
I gotta say, I love teasing the other dual-wielders in the game that we only hav...
our flightstones tho...
sullen dove
were back to haste mastery builds i can't wait lol
never really left
other stuff just started getting better once we had enough
haste maybe a little more valuable going into next season but we have a lot of everytiong
crit too
marble pilot
And with even more ilvl stats should be easy
lapis lion
I'm probably just taking a break for s4 to be honest. s2 is absolutely horrendous gameplay and we're gonna be gutter ST because these morons really thought something would be different this time if they voted for the exact same shit
pliant obsidian
oh sure i agree
dapper goblet
this is the fury channel so if you plan on playing arms i'm going to have to ask you to leave
radiant bronze
Youโre just going to use every special effect gear slot that exists and do minimal optimization tbh
pliant obsidian
lol
sullen dove
blue man speaking
marble pilot
Procs on every slot except 4 piece.
deep sapphire
So does anyone know how the bullions will work exactly? Will the gear we buy using it be able to be mythic level items?
amber arch
marble pilot
So does anyone know how the bullions will work exactly? Will the gear we buy usi...
You can upgrade it to max. But you still need to get the crests from that difficulty
amber arch
this looks like a really good way to unalive yourself
olive wraith
always was for us lol
i think monk and rogue could cancel it
so its not as bad for them
sullen dove
it sure is 
radiant bronze
I actually didnโt realize this channel hated the tier set so much tbh
pliant obsidian
same i like it too but i like both tbh
dapper goblet
I actually didnโt realize this channel hated the tier set so much tbh
just ignore them..
they hated season 3 on ptr
now they praise it
olive wraith
in general youre gonna see both sides in here
radiant bronze
I didnt vote tbh
pliant obsidian
yea after peeps got used to this tier they were off to the races
radiant bronze
Everybody mustโve got comfy smashing two buttons
olive wraith
wdym
sudden tusk
season 4 (pog)
forest grove
i think there is something about each tier set this expac someone doesnt like
olive wraith
we press more buttons in s3 than we do in s2
wraith sedge
id rather season1 over s2/s3 /shrug
dapper goblet
real
wispy thistle
CAP
dapper goblet
but peole cared too much about the sim increase
vs having fun
in a micky mouse playhouse season
forest grove
yeah the the thing people didn't like about s3 was dealing with multiple cooldowns for filler versus just raging blow
dapper goblet
fortnite map
pliant obsidian
will the reck avatar glitch come back also?
marble pilot
I like spamming RB with a big BT every so often.
olive wraith
will the reck avatar glitch come back also?
its fixed
wraith sedge
s1 is more of traditional fury rotation than s2 or s3. s2 feels bad to play imo
pliant obsidian
nice
olive wraith
the bt hit isnt even big though
lapis lion
s1 is more of traditional fury rotation than s2 or s3. s2 feels bad to play imo
s2 feels atrocious to play lol
olive wraith
am is fun and all. but the s2 tier is super lame
wraith sedge
never pressing execute for s2 feels miserable imo
olive wraith
execute>rbisnt it?
forest grove
the only buttons that are new in s2 thats besides rb as our filler is ravager and onslaught
lapis lion
also needing a WA to hit bloodthirst of all buttons lmao
wraith sedge
@forest grove ur never prioritizing execute, and you are just waitintg around to randomly hit bt and hope its not at the end of a pack or something
olive wraith
m+ will be okay
pliant obsidian
yea the weak aura is nice especially the sound effect lol
marble pilot
also needing a WA to hit bloodthirst of all buttons lmao
I agree with this part being bad. But thats the ability being bad imo. Fix BT
olive wraith
respoding to seifur
wispy thistle
@olive wraith I just preferred season 3 with people able to be a bit bursty
wraith sedge
@forest grove never said u did. im saying whats different which u mentioned. you no longer really prio execute along with the rest of what i said
lapis lion
s3 buffed BTs were so fun to hit
marble pilot
Also I like AM
fervent turtle
i have removed the sound from the weakaura if anyone is interested ๐
forest grove
Ohhh
dapper goblet
people really that pressed over seeing bt icon wa light up and pressing it once every what
marble pilot
The more times I can click recklessness the happier I am.
dapper goblet
15-20 sec
pliant obsidian
no dont remove the sound plz lol
steep fable
s3 buffed BTs were so fun to hit
and made fury unkillable
forest grove
I wasn't picking up what you were putting down, my bad
wispy thistle
@dapper goblet Its not even that, it boring AF
forest grove
I did like those meaty buffed BT crits
dapper goblet
well yeah bt is a shit button
lapis lion
The more times I can click recklessness the happier I am.
But why? If you're activating a CD that often it doesn't even feel like a CD anymore.
olive wraith
never pressing execute for s2 feels miserable imo
execute>rb im pretty sure
forest grove
and I do like OF
dapper goblet
always has been
wraith sedge
@olive wraith bt and rampage > execute pretty sure
forest grove
in my ideal world we just get s3 again but annihlator is removed
lapis lion
my ideal world is just s3 permanently tbh
im tired of rb spam, its not fun or interactive
olive wraith
why would you bt outside of set stacking
low folio
recklessness is for the rage gen it provides more than it is a cooldown that feels good to press, the buff being active for rage gen makes things feel better
lapis lion
AM blows too
marble pilot
But why? If you're activating a CD that often it doesn't even feel like a CD any...
Perception I guess. I feel like I get to use my CDs more than everyone else. But I see the other side that when its always up it loses some meaning.
young swan
im tired of rb spam, its not fun or interactive
you can blame hack n slash for that
forest grove
or we get something like s2 but with the bladestorm change we're getting in war within
imagine s2 with bladestorm instead of ravager
covert haven
disagree personally it would be super boring (reference to permanent season 3) would not let me reply
olive wraith
i think the prio was ramp> stacked bt>os>ex>rb
forest grove
or am i on crack
olive wraith
i wouldnt want to bs every 30 seconds
forest grove
hm true
wraith sedge
@olive wraith yeah so in m+ you arent really pressing execute much. which i very much dislike
marble pilot
I like when I don't have to think though. Click CDs then ramapage as much as I can. No need to worry about burst windows or lining things up. Just send it all the time every time.
pliant obsidian
would luv bladestorm again a moving aoe ability
hardy cargo
you would if it fuck good did damage 
young swan
AM blows too
I think AM is only kinda icky right now cause we get 30s cds with it, just UF + torment giving us an insane feedback loop that feels dogshit to fall out of
olive wraith
<@296160466877677569> yeah so in m+ you arent really pressing execute much. whi...
the only time we pressed execute a lot was s1
radiant bronze
I miss cancel aura blade storm off of rng proc based gameplay
wraith sedge
@olive wraith yeah and like every previous expansion.
olive wraith
oh i was just talking df my b
pliant obsidian
like shadowlands
young swan
I miss cancel aura blade storm off of rng proc based gameplay
๐ฃ
olive wraith
s1 was pretty fun. just piss poor dmg
forest grove
i didnt play in shadowlands
pliant obsidian
oh
wraith sedge
@olive wraith i pretty much dont like the tiersets buffing a single ability and completely changing the fluidity of rotation. s1 was more "traditional" to me which i preferred
fervent turtle
my ideal world is just s3 permanently tbh
i dont know, after the initial 1 min burst everything starts feeling extremely clunky and i still press a button that doesnt do anything every now and then
olive wraith
so you dont want to change rotations ever?
marble pilot
Season 1 TWW gives us a SMF 4 piece. Makes us do it.
forest grove
Season 1 TWW gives us a SMF 4 piece. Makes us do it.
you're insane but im down for it
hardy cargo
forest grove
there are 1h transmogs i wanna use
olive wraith
ill be playing colossus if things stay the same. so go for it
fervent turtle
Season 1 TWW gives us a SMF 4 piece. Makes us do it.
but muh transmog!
olive wraith
lol
covert haven
so you dont want to change rotations ever?
i feel like what they are saying is they do not want one particular playstyle to be only viable
want options
wraith sedge
@olive wraith i dont think it should be heavily swung into ignoring how a spec has worked. i dont mind them having other abilities like of or ravager or bs. just my preference. i pretty much think when execute is up it should be our strongest ability always
marble pilot
Blizz puts a note saying oh you dont like it when we force you into RB or BT. Fine we will force you into 1h instead. Next time you wont complain.
olive wraith
1 build will most likely always be the "viable" or competitive build
sullen dove
w shit
forest grove
my only problem with s3 is i dont like annihlator builds. I think the existence of annihlator/SoS is what pigeonholed the build for s3 so much
covert haven
viable sure, but right now for Fury it is one or none
olive wraith
overall expansions or just df
sullen dove
i mean raids are easier
covert haven
plus slam as a filler feels bad haha
sullen dove
so probably good
oblique trail
Assuming the nerf goes live, it's good
sinful spoke
i guess
olive wraith
cause DF def only ever had 1 build
oblique trail
Because it's just a 4fun season
hardy cargo
4fun season but all of my gear timegeated 
forest grove
hmm yeah
pliant obsidian
yea fun fun fun this is gonna be stressfree cranking out massive dps lol
forest grove
if the raids were old difficulty imagine going through prog again every other week for people who missed seasons
that makes sense
radiant bronze
Iโm doing normal for my good boy tokens and thatโs it tbh
proud vessel
Wonder how the tuning will be, i really loved s2 just face mashing and doing dmg but the dmg didnt feel that great imo. S3 i liked the dmg but the rotation and talents i liked less then s2
olive wraith
plus slam as a filler feels bad haha
how is slam any diff from rb
proud vessel
hopefully they can fix that with big boi tuning
olive wraith
Wonder how the tuning will be, i really loved s2 just face mashing and doing dmg...
what tuning?
forest grove
how is slam any diff from rb
less damage and with annihlator its a longer CD instead of charges that refresh
covert haven
how is slam any diff from rb
Honestly no idea haha, just feels weird and worse haha
lapis lion
Wonder how the tuning will be, i really loved s2 just face mashing and doing dmg...
ah the tuning cope that all the s2 voters huffed lmao
proud vessel
No tuning changes at all for s2?
mighty hull
still signet and augury in s4 right?
olive wraith
rb is a filler just like slam
you dont really press it to top your dmg
you press it for rage
proud vessel
If we are in the same place as s3 m+ wise with s2 tier sets im happy
pliant obsidian
yea rage generator
sullen dove
rb just hits twice and has a slightly better sound than slamming once
covert haven
ya but maybe the procs make it feel better? Again no idea why but just how I feel
sullen dove
but they both do the exact same thing
hardy cargo
rb is a filler just like slam
but the animation is a tiny bit different and we have unlimited charges of it so it better
pliant obsidian
basically wanting to hit reck ravager every 30 secs or so
mighty hull
no ww cd is actually the real win
hardy cargo
just make a macro thats casting slam with rb icon you wont notice the difference 
forest grove
I think rb was better rage gen than storm of swords slam
warm crag
no ww cd is actually the real win
elaborate
olive wraith
he means not taking sos
forest grove
no ww cd is actually the real win
this is true
hardy cargo
no ww cd is actually the real win
warm crag
yes that is obvious i want the win part elaborated
it functionally makes no difference if you can only ww every 3 gcds if meat cleaver stacks to 4 no
forest grove
yeah i think it really just all comes down to "stop making us take storm of swords/annihlator"
silent burrow
For me no ww cd is a W cause I spam it while I jump around waiting for pull, I also spam it while waiting for a target to appear or to change targets when mine dies
mighty hull
it was a filler and needed to get refreshed so it's more awkward
olive wraith
idk it felt fine s3
mighty hull
but I was mostly meming
hardy cargo
if u slam on the last charge of ww then press ww to refresh you have downtime in aoe and it sucks provided no reck
silent burrow
Also ww having a cd meant sometimes I had to ww in my avatar proc from of
and it made me sadge
mighty hull
if u slam on the last charge of ww then press ww to refresh you have downtime in...
ya shit was so annoying
hardy cargo
it didnt happen insanely often but it was really noticible when it did and it was cancer
pliant obsidian
will we be able to jump right into s4 keys today or is there a week lag?
silent burrow
straight in
sullen dove
keys/raid open right away
olive wraith
s4 starts on reset. everything is up
forest grove
annihlator also makes aa uptime feel slightly stressful or important more to maximize but that might just be me scrub quoting myself
pliant obsidian
your answers today are just making me so happy today lol
olive wraith
i mean you never want to be out of melee range
pliant obsidian
I think we used ravager more for the strength buff than its actual dmg can't be sure though
olive wraith
its for both
pliant obsidian
ok
gilded pawn
but yeah ravager damgae is not very impressive for a button you press every 30 seconds
pliant obsidian
true
mighty hull
annihlator also makes aa uptime feel slightly stressful or important more to max...
double parry into no rage kinda yikes
pliant obsidian
lol mk but ya gotta hit those mobs from behind but yea most raid bosses etc that's not an option
mighty hull
had to charge fyrakk from the back
or else you could parry and not get rage for rampage lmao
pliant obsidian
true
hardy cargo
but yeah ravager damgae is not very impressive for a button you press every 30 s...
#deletehurricane
pliant obsidian
uh oh here come the maintenance delays lol
sullen dove
you know 1 crazy thing thats going away
unless they applied it to s4 set
if you got parried on an empowered bt in s3 it wouldnt actually consume a stack of it
honestly crazy they even add that qol
olive wraith
it was 11 pdt before
lapis lion
delay maintenance finishing until tww for all i care, then no one has to play this awful iteration of fury
sullen dove
but at least in s2 if u got parried on your stacked bt fuck you idiot that shits gone
warm crag
i hope they didnt apply it to the s4 set i hope it gets parried and deleted
sullen dove
ya it probably will
another s2 voters L
"just stand behind the boss 4head"
rashok moment
lapis lion
another s2 voters L
too many to count atp
hardy cargo
at least with season 2 my filler doesnt do more dam than my spender
which feels supremely dogshit imo
bitter palm
i disagree with that take since the spec is too simple
imo rb/bt/ramp are all buttons
olive wraith
at least in s3 your cooldowns actually felt good
bitter palm
but ww is filler
bitter palm
at least in s3 your cooldowns actually felt good
ye especially in aoe
losing to vdh
losing to every spec on 5t cleave
restive peak
Who fuckin cares what does the dmg as long as it gets done; S3 was better, I got so trollllleeeeeddddd when I said S3 MAN
restive peak
I literally sat here for days saying "they always say theyll tune, they wont" and sure enough
Here we are
Wanted 2 button braindead spec with lower dmg back facepalm
olive wraith
As if s3 wouldnโt have been tuned also
restive peak
S3 wouldnt have needed to be tuned
sullen dove
spenders are also do not inherently have to be the highest damage on any class
restive peak
Our S3 set is our best set dmg wise and play wise in ages
olive wraith
It wouldโve been buffed in some capacity probs
Look at arms lmao
Their best tier got buffed
acoustic furnace
Wait. I know arms is gonna be a giga pumper in ST. Is fury really far enough behind to warrant swapping?
gray osprey
S3 could have gotten pushed with no changes and our DPS would be a fair bit higher than the buffed S2 set
restive peak
I'll be in full tier and stuck on arms by 1am, sadness is actually real
Yes
Fury is massively behind
The S2 "buff" was hardly a buff anyway
restive peak
You rampage less frequently so less CD loops, it's likely a net even at best
sullen dove
ye about the only thing u can give it
restive peak
It wasn't better AOE, it was better burst windows for AOE, S3 was pog as fuck for having prio dmg and still doing good AOE
gray osprey
It's also some of the only class tuning we received this expac only buffed the S3 tier build
restive peak
...as is normal for warrior, we never see big tuning
acoustic furnace
Well at least I won't have to grind out a second weapon this season. Lego carrying hard lol
restive peak
They seem to use us as a balancing midline honestly usually
bitter palm
but they wont do it
sullen dove
too simple for them to do
bitter palm
look at spriest
they wont do it
if ur spec can be good at both at the same time
like ret
losing 20%
st
by going m+ talents
if not more than 20
restive peak
I swapped back to my warr as soon as I got leggo cuz my dogshit ret got it week 2, but yeah ret was notably easier/stronger than warr this tier
But it was also boring
wraith sedge
@restive peak i also was super bored on ret
restive peak
It was like playing the game on ez mode man
Although I did get 1 cool save on like 28 EB where I bubble taunted the 3 bosses and double brez'd the tank/our dh
But warr infinitely more enjoyable
low folio
one thing im not looking forward to is coming back to these dragonflight dungeons with the crappy melee hitboxes. specially nokhud requiring me to be in the enemies ass to hit them
restive peak
Get in that ass son
olive wraith
let fly
low folio
also its bs that most other melees have longer melee range than the class wielding 2 big swords
wraith sedge
also its bs that most other melees have longer melee range than the class wieldi...
fax
oblique trail
They're hopefully killing this in TWW
Either that, or giving it to everyone to some extent
gray osprey
Didn't they say they were gonna reduce everyone's melee range closer to Warrior range or did I get baited by someone
restive peak
I would prefer they reduced, I like that we have to have the best movement and watching other melees try to play warr and die is funny as fuck
deep sapphire
Just let every dps attack from 50 yards and let the chaos begin
olive wraith
every1 is a bm now
meager void
heyo
anyone got the numbers for Voice of the Silent Star vs crafted/drop ?
its most likely still fake parse bait right?
olive wraith
i think theres a spreadsheet
oblique trail
It's fairly minor
olive wraith
but if youre pushing keys the stam loss is kind big
dapper goblet
i'll be buying sark cloak first
sullen dove
bro doesnt have leggo ๐ญ
quiet geyser
i'll be buying sark cloak first
Terrorist
dapper goblet
yes
deep sapphire
I'm going to buy the Gnarlroot weapon first for maximum stupidty
olive wraith
whatever sims tell you
sullen dove
I'm going to buy the Gnarlroot weapon first for maximum stupidty
never say this again
pliant obsidian
lol
amber arch
how does the legendary work for players that dont have it? They have to basially get a shot at it every 3 weeks?
sullen dove
u can still run the raid nonfated
fast mural
I'm going to buy the Gnarlroot weapon first for maximum stupidty
only weapons with effects on them are able to be bought
so nice try
sullen dove
so just keep doing h fyrakk every week
amber arch
wont the drop rate be shit though?
sullen dove
i mean.. same as it always was
olive wraith
itll be the same as s3
sullen dove
guaranteed after 15 heroic kills
amber arch
oh ok
olive wraith
and you still get the blp
sullen dove
however much prog u made last season should still carry over
amber arch
i mean I have it, im just curious
pliant obsidian
how many lfr kills?lol i don't raid
amber arch
heroic fyraak going to be easy as fk at 520 ilvl lol
sullen dove
how many lfr kills?lol i don't raid
olive wraith
unsure
pliant obsidian
oh well
deep sapphire
Can you buy the axe with the bullions or can you only upgrade it with them if you have it?
amber arch
what about raid trinkets?
olive wraith
what
deep sapphire
"That's right baby this axe is all natural."
amber arch
augury obviously but im not running signet brand
pliant obsidian
you can buy
sullen dove
deep sapphire
Signet brand sims better than Augury but obvi that's only for long fights that you can stack up. Augury better for M+ for sure
sullen dove
hopefully never i have to go to schoo for like 2 hours now
sudden tusk
@sullen dove what have you done to da server
pliant obsidian
there will be 3 vendors in vladrakken where you can see what is available and there costs etc
sullen dove
intense voodoo
wraith sedge
what we think best trinkets for m+ are augury and what?
amber arch
what we think best trinkets for m+ are augury and what?
thats what I was asking haha
olive wraith
puzzy box probably up there
sudden tusk
i voted arms S1 Fury S3
sullen dove
you are one of the good ones
rigid stirrup
^
sick viper
intense voodoo
sudden tusk
pliant obsidian
i have been using ocean's aug but i just do keys
sullen dove
what we think best trinkets for m+ are augury and what?
but yea box/ashes of embersoul maybe/any other random passive like icon/oce probably still "ok"
rigid stirrup
how long are yall gonna hold onto your brands/oceans/augurys
sudden tusk
me when people say s2 better
sullen dove
how long are yall gonna hold onto your brands/oceans/augurys
until i get a new brand or augury from fated
sudden tusk
me arms man
sullen dove
or somehow some other random raid trinket is better
sudden tusk
shits goin in the can from the start
rigid stirrup
until i get a new brand or augury from fated <:okayge:917646812519739433>
this is the only correct answer
olive wraith
when sim says something is b etter
acoustic furnace
^
Don't follow your heart it's flaccid and malleable. Follow sims they're ROCK HARD and SEXY.
olive wraith
drogbar rocks
pliant obsidian
lol
deep sapphire
I just wish I could hop into the mind of the people that voted season 2 fury cause they thought it would get them higher key invites when they try and still don't get invited.
olive wraith
muh aoe
low folio
it is kinda more of an M+ season but i did like s3 more for its prio damage
olive wraith
fury was performing fine in keys imo
deep sapphire
Oh for sure
olive wraith
if you compares the seasons
deep sapphire
I just remember when the voting was happening there were a ton of people who said they voted for season 2 because in season 2 Fury got invited into the higher keys
Ignoring the fact that was before the god comp was discovered.
low folio
ya i liked having odyns and the tier in keys but i wont mind changing up the playstyle again
fast mural
season 2 got voted cause gameplay
no one voted for dmg cause blizz said they will be balanced
young swan
Ignoring the fact that was before the god comp was discovered.
wasnt a discovery, all of the specs used in god comp received reworks in 10.1.5 and obviously aug didnt exist
olive wraith
ya i liked having odyns and the tier in keys but i wont mind changing up the pla...
you mean using the same playstyle 3 of 4 seasons
low folio
i still kinda think s2 only won because of some type of botting in the last day or so
young swan
i still kinda think s2 only won because of some type of botting in the last day ...
was just people abusing multiple votes per account
no bots
low folio
sorry i shoulda said cheating
olive wraith
multi votes wasnt technically cheating
fast mural
i still kinda think s2 only won because of some type of botting in the last day ...
just means S3 voters cant make bots
young swan
was just vote manipulation
sturdy wagon
I blame Blizzard listening to the Community Manager that put the suggestion to let the community vote on anything
warm crag
was just people abusing multiple votes per account
it was only me that did this
summer verge
Hey I have not been following all day, this has probably already been asked. Are the fury sims correct?
fast mural
I blame Blizzard listening to the Community Manager that put the suggestion to l...
you didnt like grimrail ?
young swan
Hey I have not been following all day, this has probably already been asked. Ar...
yeah
olive wraith
exactly
acoustic furnace
Hey I have not been following all day, this has probably already been asked. Ar...
Yeah it's an arms season lmfao
olive wraith
lmao
bitter palm
was about time ngl
low folio
although i personally still like the s2 gameplay even though s3 was better for me personally gameplay wise
summer verge
I been playing ret pally all last season becoz I did not like the playstyle of fury
fast mural
sturdy wagon
@fast mural I can't physically bite people through my computer monitor, but let me tell you I thought of how to manifest it into reality just now reading that. :^)
bitter palm
arms was shit at the start of every single patch
young swan
fury dead cause no bosses have adds
yeah thats not making up 40k st dps disparity
sorry brother
but also play what u want s4 doesnt matter
no one cares
silent burrow
arms was shit at the start of every single patch
uhhhh arms fucking cranked at the start of s3 bud
olive wraith
arent there still more st bosses
silent burrow
and then we got t31 lol
acoustic furnace
uhhhh arms fucking cranked at the start of s3 bud
No it didn't lol
silent burrow
Yes it did
olive wraith
plus all the council bosses belong to arms
young swan
uhhhh arms fucking cranked at the start of s3 bud
arms was good until you got tier and then it was bad
silent burrow
exactly lol
bitter palm
uhhhh arms fucking cranked at the start of s3 bud
so basically
young swan
yeah it did dam
summer verge
Fury is gonna slap in M+ still right?
olive wraith
fury is decent in m+
bitter palm
its irrelevant
olive wraith
arms is still better
acoustic furnace
What he means is it was good at the end of S2. It was shit in S3 and didn't come online until it got buffed.
summer verge
Fury is more engaging than arms
olive wraith
i mean thats subjective
silent burrow
Fury is more engaging than arms
Disagree
pulsar quest
The only thing that can save fury is single minded fury
bitter palm
fury is the opposite of engaging for me
pulsar quest
Enough of this TG nonsense
acoustic furnace
The only thing that can save fury is single minded fury
Yeah maybe deleting it and giving something good in it's place
olive wraith
s2 voters complained that s3 was a 2 button spec
bitter palm
repeat
olive wraith
meanwhile you press ramp and rb in s2
young swan
Enough of this TG nonsense
TG has been furys thing for a longer amount of time than smf ever was btw
summer verge
Well there is always Ret pally LOL
silent burrow
Ret blastin
pulsar quest
Go back to classic wow fury warrior AQ raiding days
bitter palm
we were smf in vanilla and tbc
pulsar quest
Those were furyโs peak
young swan
๐ค
hasty path
s2 voters complained that s3 was a 2 button spec
Fury players when the 2 buttons are different than their normal 2 buttons ๐ก
fickle bluff
Go back to classic wow fury warrior AQ raiding days
you see this exists and its called wow classic
acoustic furnace
repeat
Hey now. Every 90 seconds we get to press three other buttons. VeRy EnGaGiNg.
sturdy wagon
Yeah...you were smf for Vanilla and 1 expo, we've had Titan's grip for 8? ๐
fast mural
Those were furyโs peak
good thing SoD exists for you people
bitter palm
smf is a cataclysm thing i think
pulsar quest
If you like 2handers just go arms..
sturdy wagon
Well we know what you mean, 1-handers.
pulsar quest
Very easy decision
young swan
If you like 2handers just go arms..
if you like 1h play frost or outlaw
very easy decision
restive peak
S3 required more button usage and a tighter rotation than S2, unless you forgot to press reck/rav in S2
fast mural
or tanks
pulsar quest
Dk is meant to be a beefy 2h user too
dapper goblet
was just people abusing multiple votes per account
allegedly
all real votes in my eyes
fast mural
even monk uses 1h
hasty path
if you like 1h play frost or outlaw
Ya you donโt play frost rn if you like dw
hasty path
even monk uses 1h
Windwalker uses 2h
young swan
Ya you donโt play frost rn if you like dw
oh well
silent burrow
Ya you donโt play frost rn if you like dw
not sure logs agree
hasty path
And all monks will use Djaruun this tier most likely
hasty path
i dont really care
Based
acoustic furnace
DW Frost pumps tf are y'all on about. It just feels crappy to play.
young swan
if u like smf, 3 versions of classic exists where u can play it
sturdy wagon
Whenever I get in Alpha, I'll be Bernie-Sanders once again asking for them to let Warriors transmog 1-handers on 2-handers and delete SMF lol
restive peak
Accept we can't mog 1hers and go get that 1 2h axe that looks like a 1her
and delete SMF forever
fast mural
frost dks can transmog 1h legendary from legion ontop of the leggo axe
silent burrow
Ya you donโt play frost rn if you like dw
bitter palm
xd
silent burrow
Literally number 3 on fyrakk is a dw frost dk lol
bitter palm
parse run
silent burrow
numbers are numbers lol
bitter palm
who wouldve thought that breath fdk can parse high
when its literally outsimming 2h leggo frost
but
fast mural
bitter palm
is giga unreliable
fast mural
just get lucky
hasty path
^^
bitter palm
breath in its current state
hasty path
Just literally turbo play around it and parse like a monkey
bitter palm
is just cancerous to play
fast mural
how people like breath is beyond me
pliant obsidian
Canhas how far down on that list is Fury lol
hasty path
how people like breath is beyond me
Current breath is awful. 30-45sec breath was great
pliant obsidian
oh ok cool
fast mural
fury on igira tho
silent burrow
25th
hasty path
@silent burrow the other frost DK in the top 100 is playing leggo so
silent burrow
hasty path
Damn thatโs crazy
noble seal
I am confused on one item from the WoWhead description of the season two single target rotation. It lists bloodthirst as the priority 11 filler below raging blow, but then in notes for tier with Cold Steel, Hot Blood, it says don't bloodthirst without 95% change to crit. Does that mean don't use bloodthirst with a sub-95% chance as a filler ever, and only use WW, because it will munch the tier boosts?
silent burrow
<@772994602599710740> the other frost DK in the top 100 is playing leggo so
yeah but you said you don't play dw frost lol and clearly it does pump
bitter palm
ye and a single mechanic
hasty path
Yes it does amazing damage in ideal conditions if absolutely everything goes right
bitter palm
reduces ur damage to 0
hasty path
Like do you know how breath works
pliant obsidian
10 percent lower dps than dh still not bad i guess
restive peak
I'm just a bit lower on this pic D:
bitter palm
ik in 10.0 people did that to keep breath
hasty path
do u still have to ams
Yes
bitter palm
:Xdd:
hasty path
Youโve done that since at least SL
bitter palm
funny spec
silent burrow
I'm just a bit lower on this pic D:
sorry my monitor is only 1080 lol
olive wraith
I am confused on one item from the WoWhead description of the season two single ...
press bt as last priority if it isnt stacked fully
silent burrow
do u still have to ams
you literally did this from the beginning of dk existing
it used to work even better
sturdy wagon
All this evil Death Knight talk, only good thing that class ever did for us was help strengthen the argument stance dancing should go away/die horribly. :^)
bitter palm
my question was
restive peak
You should barely, if ever, hit BT before 95% after the buff
hasty path
Only 21% of the top parses are breath on fyrakk
silent burrow
probably depends on chill streak gamba
silent burrow
Look I am 100% onboard with oblit, I hate breath
but to say you don't play breath is just incorrect, people absolutely crank with it
I am straight up out, on playing breath
but the numbers don't lie
it cranks
silent burrow
okay
pliant obsidian
these are trinkets i assume?
olive wraith
?
silent burrow
If somebody said, you don't play smf, you could pull up literally any boss and there would be zero smf on the front page for them
because it's bad
sullen dove
frost dk abilities
pliant obsidian
oh lol ok
kinda don't like dk's they pulled too much aggro etc in cata when i was prot bleh lol
olive wraith
thats a long time to hold a grudge
pliant obsidian
not a grudge just was very hard for an avoidance tank to have them in dungeons etc
silent burrow
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/35#partition=2&class=DeathKnight&spec=Frost tell me how nobody plays dw lol
pliant obsidian
kinda hard to argue with that post lol
bitter palm
If somebody said, you don't play smf, you could pull up literally any boss and t...
its entirely different
the issue with breath is that its annoying to play and is giga unreliable
a singe mechanic and u might as well jump off the platform
silent burrow
I'm fully, fully aware of what it's like to play breath, I mained dk for a long time lol
bitter palm
:xanning:
silent burrow
I listened to like an hour of it so far
hasty path
Me rn
covert blaze
https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yap-domain-expansion-gif-3020182389590808453
so true bestie
winter shoal
5 PIs HOLY
silent burrow
Long fight, many buff
winter shoal
I wouldn't know, my guild died on Tindral
silent burrow
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dusk jackal
its up
sudden tusk
@young swan
young swan
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pliant obsidian
gl guys and gals and?in s4 gonna hit them keys
dusk jackal
server is up
sullen basin
Wrong chat lol
pliant obsidian
lol
sullen basin
Is season 4 out for the rich people who own islands
young swan
yeah
brazen island
lmao am i trippin or are people out of their minds with these raid groups
they're forming up N Vaults and not taking a 482 with aotc all 3 tiers
young swan
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
south kayak
they're forming up N Vaults and not taking a 482 with aotc all 3 tiers
There's a lot of people queueing at this point and there's higher than 482 for sure
487+
arctic raft
when do we swap builds to s4? 2pc or 4pc?
lapis lion
they're forming up N Vaults and not taking a 482 with aotc all 3 tiers
tbh i wouldnt take a 482 for anything raid related atp. 487 was free last season so there will be a million people with 487 queueing
dense elbow
they're forming up N Vaults and not taking a 482 with aotc all 3 tiers
why take AotC when you can take CE
brazen island
you're right brotherrrr, need CE and 488 minimum to do N vault lmfaooo
lapis lion
its not about need, its just about why voluntarily take a worse option?
brazen island
nah i mean i get you there
lapis lion
you are objectively a worse option than a huge number of people also queueing. also youre a dps so no one NEEDS you. so not only are you a dime a dozen, you objectively dont stand out
no reason to intentionally make your group sub optimal when optimal is just clicking someone elses name ya know
brazen island
i think you're exaggerating the difference here, but i still agree with that point that it's no skin off the raid leaders back to just take a higher ilvl
dense elbow
Ilvl doesn't really matter at all.I rather bring the mythic raiders, over the heroic raiders - especially when there are options a plenty. Makes it a lot smoother.