but s2 and 3 they were good
#fury
young swan
hasty path
It’s been good for most of the last 2 xpacs
Just varying degrees of buggy and annoying
young swan
^
young swan
pretty sure they just pop off with knicknacks
indigo quarry
WW were trash garbo in S1
eternal sundial
ww did play like fucking rat ass shit
for most of df
cuz of jadefire stomp
and serenity
hasty path
Stomp is omega cringe
covert blaze
yeah jadefire is ass
hasty path
Serenity is fun
eternal sundial
Serenity is fun
no
eternal sundial
also not taking WDP is so cringe
WDP is aids
eternal sundial
wdp and xbg are polar opposites
hasty path
WDP is back on the menu in TWW
covert blaze
WDP is aids
it will kill you at some point but it's cool to press
young swan
same with sotw
covert blaze
epic spell
so true bestie
hasty path
The fuck is xbg
young swan
The fuck is xbg
xuen battle gear
hasty path
I don’t remember what that does
eternal sundial
its the cdr on FOF and buffs ur RSK
hasty path
Oh
eternal sundial
after fof
hasty path
Ya that’s pog
eternal sundial
and i think that + bok resetting rsk
pushes out wdp
like u want resets but also dont
hasty path
In ST ye
eternal sundial
and thats bad
hasty path
Idk I think maybe rework wdp a bit
eternal sundial
prolly will
hasty path
also wdp does no damage
Did you see what it does in alpha
eternal sundial
cuz the idea isnt bad
eternal sundial
Did you see what it does in alpha
i dont care about alpha tuning
eternal sundial
i do not
hasty path
Also uncapped unless that’s changing
young swan
think its sqrt
edgy widget
they changed it to 1 week rotation, but didn't say anything about when they all go awakened (so presumably that is still week 7, after 2 weeks of each raid)
eternal sundial
Also uncapped unless that’s changing
ye but in df its not worth using below 20t 
i miss playing ww tho
was fun
i started expac on it but realized i should reroll in hc week
fervent turtle
just saw a S4 tierlist video and Fury was C-Tier. Pls tellme thats not true 🙂
wanton mirage
I need a tier list for yellow guys in this discord. link me one if you found it
young swan
just saw a S4 tierlist video and Fury was C-Tier. Pls tellme thats not true 🙂
wouldnt take it to heart, tierlists are largely 4fun content. If you enjoy fury it will be playable, just likely worse than arms
unreal onyx
tier lists don't matter to me
sullen dove
sick viper
ya im prolly gonna boost my pally then
wanton mirage
tier lists don't matter to me
my brother
fervent turtle
hows damage looking overall on PTR?
unreal onyx
love my gear/io evolution stats
sullen dove
sick viper
I've never had an io score above 2800
young swan
hows damage looking overall on PTR?
afaik we're pretty average
edgy widget
Fury pretty average, Arms pretty overtuned
young swan
arms is wayyy ahead of the pack along with outlaw and dev
sullen dove
so excited to dev it up
unreal onyx
<:keks:936231610850897992>
sullen dove
mine was sooner 
unreal onyx
not an even number
unreal onyx
I would've increased it a lil bit but I wanted to keep it clean
I went a lil wild in S1
sullen dove
fervent turtle
god forbid Fury having good dps AND a fun build
sick viper
so excited to dev it up
sullen dove
me asf
sick viper
👉 🚪
fervent turtle
nice carpet
unreal onyx
<:greenbear:729127145963651092>
I don't think mine are accurate
fast mural
my guild had 100 more pulls on tindrall than fyrakk
fast mural
only cause we killed it before 10% hp nerf
eternal sundial
<:critcake:984549832511344640>
sick viper
ya some grps struggle more on one than the other
eternal sundial
tindral is good boss surely
sullen dove
<:clueless:1099922541923024997>
more time on smolder than fyrakk...
nah...
you guys had to have rent a raidered' like half the raid
what
fast mural
were you in on prog on fyrakk ?
eternal sundial
more time on smolder than fyrakk...
i joined 2nd week on fyrakk
unreal onyx
????
sullen dove
oh is it specifically your time
eternal sundial
and then missed first kill week cuz of work
eternal sundial
so i spent like 146
sullen dove
makes sense ig
wanton mirage
my guild disbanded in Tindral
eternal sundial
not the guilds time
ye but guild still had good pulls
sullen dove
yea but not easier than smolderon surely
unreal onyx
why is mine not logged
mellow bloom
eternal sundial
yea but not easier than smolderon surely
271 total
sullen dove
wanton mirage
173 pulls in Fyrakk across subbing/trialing in 3 guilds
hasty path
volcoross being our lowest wipe is hilarious
wanton mirage
it is the easiet boss indeed
eternal sundial
i really enjoyed him
sick viper
volcoross > nymue
sick viper
I probably have the most ptsd with larodar
wanton mirage
larodar is worst fight design wise for melee
fast mural
you havnt done council have you
eternal sundial
wanted to play ww ended up squid what do@hasty path
sick viper
If u think playing with a bad guild on smold feels bad play with one on Larodar
fast mural
from all the bosses i only rely enjoyed nymue and fyrakk
wanton mirage
you havnt done council have you
council is fine. only big movements which we excelled through charge and leap
fast mural
kinda meh raid
sick viper
council is fine. only big movements which we excelled through charge and leap
council is the worst fight in the raid
eternal sundial
from all the bosses i only rely enjoyed nymue and fyrakk
nym was boring
fast mural
council is the worst boss ever designed
eternal sundial
i liked frank and volc
wanton mirage
i hate larodar more. just personal
wanton mirage
nymue is good. damn our preference are opposite
sick viper
and the line sidestepping in melee was also kinda fun
not when u have to soak out of melee range
sick viper
no the red shit
fast mural
the red shit only spawns in melee
eternal sundial
i like ST add phases
mythic add stinks
wanton mirage
skill issue
fast mural
you can keep full uptime while soaking the red
but yeah if you get unlucky and have to run out cause of the green zone that sucks
sick viper
multiple soaks stacked on eachother is dogshit
fast mural
at least we can all agree fyrakk is the best boss this raid
unkempt locust
hey checked the pins and was lookin for update to whats better fury or arms and im not seeing it any news i can look at?
fast mural
for S4 ?
sullen dove
arms is about to be a lot better in s4
but right now they're about the same
and "a lot better" is mostly in the single target category
both relatively similar in m+
unkempt locust
yeah s4. i been a warrior main since 05 as long as i play war im happy. just would like to know what dps spec ima be in s4 since my guild doesnt need me to tank xD
eternal sundial
at least we can all agree fyrakk is the best boss this raid
yes
sullen dove
well if youre like semi-seriously trying to attempt for some mythic bosses and especially some of the later ones arms will probably do you better, but if its like up to heroic level and just random keys you could do either
fast mural
they have to stop making 2nd to last boss dogshit
the entire expac that has been the case
what is their goal
eternal sundial
no
fast mural
i hated tindrall
eternal sundial
not cool not fun not anything
fast mural
i still hate tindrall
sullen dove
if they removed like half the insta raid wipe mechanics
and made it so only the single person dies
eternal sundial
good rwf meme tho
sullen dove
itd prolly be way better
eternal sundial
yea
unkempt locust
all im sayin is on tswift that divebomb was fun as hell
sick viper
I liked Tindral
sullen dove
tindral def one of the coolest thematic bosses
theyve ever made
like he FELT like a druid of the flame that can just fuck you up
sick viper
the flying thru beams to get bombs in p3 was badass ngl
fast mural
you dont even get to do that after the nerfs
unkempt locust
i guess if you hate dragon riding i can see your dislike for the fight. however i loved it. no kill but still got to p3. ima pvper who got forced to m raid xD hella fun
wanton mirage
it would be one of the coolest boss fight if only there is not multiple insta-wipe mechanices which is tuned solely for RWF guys
fast mural
dragonriding from platform to platform was fine
but dragonriding while you rather be hittin the boss sucks
if there were more beams throughout the fight maybe it would have been more engaging
sullen dove
eh i mean that is cringe from like a parsing perspective cause obv if u fly youre not parsing as high, but it still was really satisfying to detonate on a pack of vines
eternal sundial
all im sayin is on tswift that divebomb was fun as hell
if u ever did fly 1
that one is waay better
wanton mirage
but dragonriding while you rather be hittin the boss sucks
you just want all bosses to be the same patchwark fight didnt you?
fast mural
i mean i also didnt like smoldy
unkempt locust
gotta admit when your up in the air to get the orbs and they miss a fkn shroom the way your fall when your dead would make me laugh
sick viper
Smold is clearance discount ragnaros
eternal sundial
bazed could never keybind lego
sullen dove
clicking all u need
eternal sundial
but 8 is a keybimd
sullen dove
bros got big hands
covert blaze
clicking on a 5 button spec should be illegal
hardy cargo
I played way more pirate cosplay than I thought I did
sour frigate
wanted to play ww ended up squid what do<@135532750890467329>
gz ure feral now
covert blaze
If u think playing with a bad guild on smold feels bad play with one on Larodar
pretty sure people that killed smolderon killed larodar at some point
balmy shore
woyer 💖 (my ret is 400 io higher than it too lmao)
sick viper
pretty sure people that killed smolderon killed larodar at some point
idk why I subjected myself to mythic pugging
covert blaze
@cold jolt post yours
balmy shore
gapped
lmaooo i could not play that many specs. i was unemployed and s3 is the most m+ i’ve done ever
usually play a max of like 3 classes
wild mural
covert blaze
holy chad disc priest
the things i do for gold 
modest condor
woyer 💖 (my ret is 400 io higher than it too lmao)
filthy
wild mural
Bro played like 5 weeks of the season and nearly did as many keys as me
covert blaze
covert haven
two questions, one where yall getting these M+ information, and second do we know if it is better to get rid of season 3 4-piece when we get at least 2-piece for season 4 or do the 2 from each season until a complete 4-set?
humble plover
Rio recap
covert haven
thank you!
humble plover
Zhai posted the link not too far up
covert haven
Zhai posted the link not too far up
oh I am blind, thank you!
dapper goblet
how do i see my recap..
dapper goblet
epic
wild mica
i wonder if all those people making "lf x key" in group finder ever get invited to anything. It's always like "lf every key everybody else wants but pick me im special"
storm rune
It took me over a month to complete amirdrassil because I refused to play Tindral lmao
wild mica
and I got a guy offering me it
i feel like you were not in a situation where you were hoping someone invited you to your first +30 like a ton of these posts im seeing
covert blaze
no recap for voodoo casters
final birch
i feel like you were not in a situation where you were hoping someone invited yo...
no I wasnt
that part is kekw
people trading keys they'll never time
for keys that are easy to time
sick viper
Bro played like 5 weeks of the season and nearly did as many keys as me
damn I did half that
hasty tree
anyone knows if mega dungeon is back as m0 in s4 and what ilvl will most likely drop there?
young swan
think blizz said it is back as an m0 and they giga juiced the difficulty so it feels more like a mini-raid than a mega dungeon
no idea what that means for ilvl
storm rune
Back to getting absolutely schnozzled eating a tank frontal on the sand boss, yeehaw
hasty tree
ah interesting thanks
warm crag
this is on alpha apparently
what the fuck !!!!
young swan
what the fuck !!!!
flip*
covert blaze
what the hellings
young swan
what the hellings
halibut*
wanton mirage
I felt obligated to run M+ last 2 weeks coz I got the Augury 496 Drop
outer cedar
this is on alpha apparently
Um.... very fast..
modest condor
i mean wasnt 10.2.6 like over a month ago already
that puts pandaria remix at 2 months later, which makes sense
tawny spindle
Will there be a guide for S4?
lament wing
Can I request some s4 speculation for fury? I find it hard to believe any of the you tube videos and their “meta rankings” need the people to elaborate from first hand ptr where it’s not centered around views and likes lol.
young swan
fury is gonna be fine but arms is gonna be better a lot of the time
this isnt because fury is bad, arms is just insane
summer quail
storm rune
slightly, it all kind of blends together in S4 with all the stats available
There's not really a vice versa, Arms is just better DPS until nerfs
gilded pawn
or buffs
sick viper
YO THE BRAZILIANS WON
modest condor
big pog
sick viper
1088 pulls
eternal abyss
slightly, it all kind of blends together in S4 with all the stats available
wouldn't fury be one of the worst ST-Speccs in s4?
wild mica
let's hope fury is good enough because i hate cleave
marble pilot
Unless you are doing high end mythic+ or progression mythic raids its fine.
even then its still probably fine just not as good as it can be
wild mica
i know it'll be fine, but if arms is just that much ahead it's going to feel bad
eternal abyss
the thing with the bad ST is: I'm hoping for a buff.
Iknow - Iknow. BUT: hopes dies last...
wild mica
i havent raided seriously in a long time, just doing keys atm
marble pilot
You should be fine for keys. I imagine fury is fine in 20-25s. I dont actually know that but the difference is what 40k? That doesnt make or break most keys
covert blaze
br guild killed it poggers
eternal abyss
I know I'm fine in keys an n stuff. but hope still dies last ^^
marble pilot
1088 F that
wild mica
You should be fine for keys. I imagine fury is fine in 20-25s. I dont actually k...
i know it'll be fine, ill still get title, but pugging anything will be a nightmare because tier list andys wont want to invite fury wars 
modest condor
they dont invite fury wars anyway
marble pilot
Also I expect it to be easier in general this season. Picking you trinkets and whatnot makes us hit max power much faster than normal.
wild mica
they dont invite fury wars anyway <:clueless:1099922541923024997>
time to pull out the shadow priest and get 4k io by just existing
modest condor
real
dapper goblet
insert choco x whoever it was battle of spriest in m+
dapper goblet
🌍 🧑🚀 🔫 🧑🚀 always has been
covert blaze
is spriest good
good is an understatement
wild mica
their s4 set is about to make them a war crime
olive wraith
They voted s2 right?
wild mica
mop remix lost a lot of its appeal to me once they said it wasnt going back to mop classes. I wanted to replay meta demo
summer quail
They voted s2 right?
yes
brittle crow
mop remix lost a lot of its appeal to me once they said it wasnt going back to m...
gained appeal for me
i wanna learn how to play a new hunter while dragonriding
marble pilot
I wanted MoP attonement. Only time I played heals cause it was just dps
eternal sundial
gained appeal for me
Ye im prolly healing this time around
Cuz we have 2 tank andies and would be 3 dps 1 healer, so if i fill we can almost rip a 10 man full guild mates n shit
Ngl maybe priest so i can offspec sp
manic iris
are we going to be using the same s3 pots for s4 or are new ones coming out again?
sullen dove
should be same ones
olive wraith
I think we only used potion of power
Flask was usually either vers or the toxic one
edgy widget
same pots, only thing you might wanna consider changing is taking the toxic healing potion for a bigger immediate heal once health pools inflate again
light ermine
In s4 we will have s2 tier set bonus as fury wariors?
edgy widget
yes, Fury's S4 is a moderately buffed repetition of the S2 bonus
olive wraith
We swapping to arms
keen dove
most likely
fading sky
i mean hmm, fury will have a few fights where it prob shines a lot even with current tuning
at least vs arms
in overall dmg ofc
fallen ginkgo
All fury does is pad
light stump
My fellow smf (outlaw) enjoyers
Are you guys coming back to fury next season or sticking to rogue?
tender cairn
hollow elk
Would you rather enhance
gilded stratus
Smf still dead build?
hasty path
Eternal slumber
wild mural
It’s ready for a comeback in tww
chrome plover
wild mural
I’m so ready for it
clever belfry
Proper smf
7
naive swallow
anybody knows about backing up weakaura files ?
i lost some of my wa when logging on 2 days ago
naive swallow
still couldnt find ways to recover it, do i just make a copy of certain files ? and which would they be?
clever belfry
https://tenor.com/view/7-fire-gif-7694122736699725811
vapid mulch
So, I killed Fyrakk last night, but something wild af happened, thought I’d check it with you guys see if anyone has encountered anything similar
You all remember the liquid RWF seed click debacle that cost them 1st place?
It happened to me, I was uncharacteristically nervous and couldn’t click on the seed to drop it when I had a blaze
But the seed didn’t pop
And I think it’s because for a split second the seed didn’t exist, I wasn’t holding it, but it hadn’t spawned on the ground yet
Right as the blaze went off
vapid mulch
No I don’t need do I’m a RuneScape player
My clicks are infallible
Except for here
clever belfry
you very clearly need to
vapid mulch
This was actually a tick perfect click
I’d dare say I went ultra instinct and do it intentionally
clever belfry
also make sure u flame that hunter standing back right of u
what the fuck they doing there
boss inside 3 puddles is also a thing for sure
you guys made it inf harder for urselves for no reason
vapid mulch
Yeah I mean we killed it last night
I don’t claim we’re good 🙂
But this did motivate me to bind my action button, we’ve done P3 a bunch of times and I always played the seed/blazes flawlessly until this one pull
latent turret
Fyi everyone was supposed to have had their extra action bound 👀
vapid mulch
I argued against it - RuneScape gamer and it never let me down
Get outta here Josh or I’ll doxx you
hasty path
But fr Josh is a pretty cool guy I don’t hate Josh and nor do my homies
Well I do and so do my homies
We’re gonna pull up on his ass
It’s on sight
vapid mulch
Ayo Josh send address so I can come back you up
Where yo ass at I’ll guard it with my life
latent turret
Ayo
naive swallow
what crit chance am i potentially missing if i just simply make a text tracker of my current crit %
for BT
sullen cloak
Does anyone know when a bis list for season 4 might be done and when raid bots sims will be updated ?
hasty path
what crit chance am i potentially missing if i just simply make a text tracker o...
I would recommend just downloading the already-made one and ripping it apart
That’s what I did
Removed everything but the % and glow
naive swallow
yeah maybe i ll do that
glad coyote
well boys its been a fun run as fury this xpac time to play arms
sour tundra
Fury going to be that bad next season?
chrome plover
naive swallow
anyone else using lib groupinspect having this stuff?
been here spamming my chatbox for a while now
fleet cargo
anyone else using lib groupinspect having this stuff?
As far as i remember that addon/library is bit old
naive swallow
yeah got rid of it @fleet cargo
actually it was details that i havent been updating
fixed
dense elbow
any have a link for a guide for fury S4 ?
S4 guide will come for season release, if you want to do some prep work - just read the old s2 guide. Same shit, same flavour 
merry jetty
Where can you find the s2 guide
amber arch
was just going to ask if anyone was made a s4 guide video or something
rigid stirrup
Guides will most likely be updated by tomorrow
Only for sure thing from what I've seen is both rare rings from voti being bis
covert haven
I am curious if they are going to nerf the weapon that drops from echo of neltharion since it was strong, but now that fury can weild both the leggo and that it might be too strong, unless they already nerfed it
sullen dove
yea… they probably aren’t gonna be doing that
no one but fury would ideally use that weapon and fury is not anywhere close to overpowered next season
covert haven
small victory if true
sullen dove
not exactly sure if ashk better than leggo on humanoid fights for other classes but still doubt it
sullen dove
real
feral ivy
is there anywhere we can see s4 bis?
humble plover
could delete fury and not have to deal with the issue
hasty path
is there anywhere we can see s4 bis?
Yeah google.com image search nish warrior
modest condor
not exactly sure if ashk better than leggo on humanoid fights for other classes ...
it's not rare loot so lower ilvl than lego
dire badge
<:sadgers:1022526082278248631>
whoops finger slipped how’d that get typed out
gilded pawn
what crit chance am i potentially missing if i just simply make a text tracker o...
you are missing reck
reck isnt tracked in crit chance
gilded pawn
Yeah google.com image search nish warrior
can i assume the same for mistweaver
hasty path
can i assume the same for mistweaver
No I don’t heal
thick elbow
Sorry if it was posted but will there be a guide for season 4 ie best gear or is archi’s priority tww
Curious what to spend dinar on if mythic plus is my primary focus
cursive quiver
it'll probably come tomorrow, just be pateint
hasty path
There will be presumably tomorrow
cursive quiver
*patient
thick elbow
We get one a week
dense elbow
Alphatesting is taking up the most of the writers time, and S4 (or s2 repackaged) has already been "solved". So, not a lot of hype around S4 builds and that jazz. A guide will be made and will come out by tomorrow, as WoWhead kinda got to.
So don't worreh abouwht eit
sullen dove
it's not rare loot so lower ilvl than lego
yea ik was just wondering if “somehow” the buffed proc is worth more than ilvl and leggo affect but psure it would’ve been impossible
thick elbow
Yea not worried just curious what trinkets are going to be best for aoe next patch. Pretty obvious leggo upgrade and ash will be bought
sullen dove
augury 
unless last second nerfs today or somethjng
cause it is still a s3 trinket ppl are using to kill bosses
thick elbow
Yea figured augury plus that ring from the first raid would be a sick combo
sullen dove
not jus cuz of augury but we do like 5 diff sources of fire dam now
kinda quirky
leggo/ashk/augury/brand etc
shadowflame patch if u run that
I think helm enchant also fire assuming that’ll stick through to next season
thick elbow
If u hate raiding could u theoretically just do a heroic get your dinar for the week and be done with it
sullen dove
I think any difficulty clearing is fine
could proly do lfr and normal tho imo normal is almost always easier than lfr
thick elbow
Dont u have to do heroic to get a heroic ilvl item
Or does it not matter with dinars
sullen dove
Uh I mean I think u get crests from heroic
But psure a dinar gives you a “normal ilvl” version of whatever u pick
and then u gotta bring it up with crests and flightstones
whether u get the dinar in normal/lfr/heroic/mythic
thick elbow
Ah thats awesome so can do normal or lfr and get it to mythic ilvl if im regularly doing mythic 10+
If so praise tom cruise
sullen dove
O yea 10 is new 20 so I assume 10s will drop aspect crests
but yea basically
everything should start at normal and u upgrade yourself on a 12 level track
thick elbow
Wonder if doing a 25 will get you a ten tomorrow with the change
supple laurel
+6 will drop aspects now no?
sullen dove
no they said everything resets to 2
supple laurel
everything will be reset to 2
sullen dove
- 6 might too idk the exact brackets
thick elbow
Bummer
supple laurel
I think it stated it since 6 will be previous 16
sullen dove
Cause thinking about it there wouldn’t seem to be a way to farm drakes
cause there aren’t any “+10s or lower” anymore
It’s just mythic0 and heroic
So maybe u can spam heroic or something but they prolly just shift around the levels a bit
elder maple
dudes i know it's only for 1 more day, but wowhead has already changed tiersets and trinkets (and stat prio). for mythic plus fury, and with current tierset, you want to stack haste vers correct ?
gilded pawn
when you say current do you mean S3
elder maple
y
gilded pawn
if S3 its mastery vers but please sim
elder maple
@gilded pawn ty that's all i needed. i'm stacking mastery vers then
modest condor
for those 1.5 days left of the season?
elder maple
btw, double wafting with legendary equipped or double sophic ? xdd
elder maple
for those 1.5 days left of the season?
pretty much yea. trying to farm some more aspects to upgrade all gear for next season
sullen dove
btw, double wafting with legendary equipped or double sophic ? xdd
also pretty variable but some of the old ones that didn’t use to be used are now kinda in use like I use wafting Devo/ frozen writ which is a verse proc, earthen writ might also be good as mastery, but pretty much try and sim as many combos of those 4 as you can but relatively safe to assume wafting will be used on one weapon
but like yea u don’t gotta like giga regem or recraft your gear if u don’t want to it’s only relevant for like another day but either way we chillin
gilded pawn
pretty much yea. trying to farm some more aspects to upgrade all gear for next s...
aspects dont carry i dont think
sullen dove
pretty much yea. trying to farm some more aspects to upgrade all gear for next s...
also are you saying u want to farm aspects now to use next season? Or you want better gear to farm aspects tomorrow
cause yeah you can’t use this seasons aspects on next seasons gear
elder maple
@sullen dove ty dude. i pretty much just feelcraft as i started playing fury like 3 weeks ago lol. But i am double wafting atm and it doesn't feel all that great in mythic plus tbh. I think i'm going to try 1 wafting 1 sophic (or maybe a writ of vers of mastery like u said idk). i'm sitting at 484 ilvl atm
sullen dove
Ye 484 ain’t bad at all
elder maple
yy just upgrading before reset tomorrow that's all
sullen dove
aye
sullen dove
there prolly will still be a TON of people running low m+ next week (low being anything under 10 now basically) and still will be really good gear
elder maple
i can swap some pieces but i just want to stack what is best for m+
sullen dove
i don’t think anyones gonna be super gatekeepeycabout ilvl for like up to +5s maybe that will give like 20 ilvl higher gear tmrw
sullen dove
https://gyazo.com/123e03725932d4ba0f7f7d2418ed6105
Just preliminarily looking at that u got way too much haste and nowhere near enough mast
mast usually should be around the 50%ish or higher
elder maple
ye i was thinking about that too. maybe change enchants/gems ?
sullen dove
and haste floating around the 30s is fine
ruby eagle
Have anybody done the sims of what will be the bis setup for s4
olive wraith
You could swap to arms temporarily
elder maple
i need to learn arms 1st mate 😄
sullen dove
ye i was thinking about that too. maybe change enchants/gems ?
Ya that’d be a good start, and with that gear u almost def want earthen writ but can sim to make sure again
elder maple
ty dude ❤️
olive wraith
Arms isn’t hard if you’re worried about difficulty
Idk if it’s been said but everyone should jump into lfr tmrw
elder maple
oh i know mate. it's just that of all the alts i have, i never dps as warrior, but ofc i looted the legendary on it so, one thing at a time xdd
fury is intuitive for me, and arms is prob easy to pick up aswell. i'm just trying to get good at fury 1st i guess
sullen dove
M0 s drop 493 tomorrow I think 
yea neither spec is really “hard” fury is probably just a bit simpler
only really like 1 thing to worry about just hit rampage and then hit next strongest abilities
olive wraith
S4 arms is basically spam cleave or spam ms though
sullen dove
arms got few more maintenance things going on with like knowing the priority of like 6 different buttons to hit at any one time
yea
wild mica
arms is a lot more fun when cleave isnt involved
ruby eagle
arms is the most fun when cleave is involved
olive wraith
wild mica
i know its good i just dont like it as a button
sullen dove
I think arch’s suggestion of making cleave basically transform MS into a big single hit on primary target and some aoe damage on other shit would be cool
remove some bloat, still accomplishes same thing basically
like cleave does mortal strikes damage to the primary target, and however much it does to aoe, and it replaces mortal strike
dire badge
^
dire badge
You missed the update bozo
marble pilot
Yeah get out of our channel with that arms talk. We just talk about Windwalkers in here. And BT bad RB good. SMF sucks but I love it.
brave cairn
How are we feeling about s2 tier coming back?
marble pilot
I prefer it to s3. But not everyone does
hasty path
S4 arms is basically spam cleave or spam ms though
I mean it’s already spam ms
dense elbow
It aint no s1 tierset, but it is something
wild mica
s3 is just a better set
olive wraith
How are we feeling about s2 tier coming back?
S4 is arms season
olive wraith
The s1 tier
wild mica
every season is arms season give us uncapped
olive wraith
Arms has better st for raid and better aoe for m+. I think it does slightly less st in the m+ build
dense elbow
Buff OF 51%, make it uncapped, and we would be able to keep up - and stay within our damage profile niche.
wild mica
isnt of already uncapped
modest condor
it's square root scaling after 8
sullen dove
modest condor
also our damage profile niche is supposed to be sustain 5 target aoe
wild mica
but we're not even the best at sustain 5 target aoe
modest condor
correct
gilded pawn
the real niche is a 1-5-1-5 fight
quiet geyser
also our damage profile niche is supposed to be sustain 5 target aoe
Remember when we were like a bottom 5 spec on council in season 1
hasty path
also our damage profile niche is supposed to be sustain 5 target aoe
Meanwhile MM hunters
gilded pawn
like if the boss split up every 1minute to 5
hasty path
wild mica
bring back onslaught full cleave
olive wraith
Remember when we were like a bottom 5 spec on council in season 1
Our tier was ass s1
quiet geyser
Our tier was ass s1
Tier or not, we were just bad haha. We were carried by a massive onslaught bug, and even with it were "meh" at best
modest condor
also that boss generally died in a perfect time for 2 minute classes
olive wraith
I mean the tier is a huge part of it
gilded pawn
messed up that arms was better at council though
gilded pawn
arms was just better most of the time but thats cuz tuning
im sure S2 fury should beat S1 arms on council
hasty path
Idk our warrior played fury all of vault
modest condor
but yes, ever since they introduced target caps for some reason the uncapped specs have still been better at lower target counts
grave cypress
Is fury really looking as bad as it seems for s4? I know S2 teir is working against it but from the Sims I saw arms is gaping fury
modest condor
it's more that arms is just overtuned
from what i've heard most specs are closer to fury
hasty path
Isn’t outlaw really high
Also I’m sure at least 1 or 2 caster specs are sandbagging
As is tradition
humble plover
Ride your ret pally friends to title
olive wraith
Sp and destro on top
carmine eagle
so we're playing arms in s4 right?
clever path
there prolly will still be a TON of people running low m+ next week (low being a...
isnt only M0s and below open
or do you mean a week from tomorrow
clever path
Sp and destro on top
spriest is pretty fun rn
silent burrow
Brood and dath?
Rasz moment
grave cypress
so we're playing arms in s4 right?
From the looks of it, yes.
fast mural
heroic week comes back in TWW
ember apex
ok ty
fast mural
imagine not opening mythic when you only have 1 week of the raid
ember apex
what do we do to upgrade leggo ilvl
fast mural
wait 2 weeks to get dinaars
ember apex
right right ty
fast mural
or get lucky on fyrakk kill
sullen dove
Would awakened fyrakk drop an awakened axe? I’d assume it was still s3 ilvl and u have to bullion it no matter what
but idk sylv I think could drop fated ilvl but that was just it drops and you get it, as opposed to having to do a whole quest line for it
indigo quarry
we need a hunter main to confirm from back then how it was
but i'm sure people will need to bullion
sullen dove
i mean had some in guild don’t remember exactly if they got it on fated but I believe it would’ve dropped at fated ilvl
but sylv bow is different from this xpacs leggos
ashen socket
Would awakened fyrakk drop an awakened axe? I’d assume it was still s3 ilvl and ...
Honestly they should just hand everyone the axe in s4
slim coral
Bruh the dark heart patch is may 7th with mop remix the 16th can blizzard chill holy
What a good time to be a wow player though
silent burrow
The axe isn't raid loot though. It's a quest item
Same way raid difficulty didn't matter
candid falcon
What a good time to be a wow player though
MoP remix is probably the best thing they could have paired s4 with, if you get bored of Dragonflight you can literally just not play Dragonflight and still play retail
junior gale
MoP remix is probably the best thing they could have paired s4 with, if you get ...
yeah im ok with basically 0 iteration on fated for DF because they were working on this Mop remix the whole time
ember apex
it's also good timing now that the poe season is winding down as well
first season i got a mageblood
fleet sorrel
candid falcon
yeah im ok with basically 0 iteration on fated for DF because they were working ...
0 iteration does kinda blow but!!! Devs were saying TWW season 4 would be different, something like a "best hits" raid (my memory is fuzzy) so we'll see in two-ish years
junior gale
yeah I did hear a really cool suggestion is they take some of the most popular bosses in wows history and you just modernize the numbers to fit with the expansion and you just take a portal to their boss room.
so it goes boss to boss to boss
gilded pawn
mordernizing numbers are quite a bit of work, but they managed to do it well with m+ so i dont see why not raids
junior gale
yeah
it would take a lil more work but like u said if they can do it for M+ they can do it for raid bosses
even if its just bosses from WOD and onwards that way they have mechanics for all dificulties including mythic thats fine with me
thats still a ton of bosses
indigo quarry
Blackhand
ember apex
Here's my BiS Raid that's boss to boss to boss
Gnarlroot
P2 only Fyrakk
Sanctum Kel'Thuzad
SL S4 Fated Sylvanas (with the motes)
Dathea
Sarkareth (also P2 only)
junior gale
I wanna Star Augar again from Nighthold
ember apex
i only started in shadowlands
so thats all i know basically
until now
OH fucken uhh
Neltharion P3 only
p3 nelt was the best
gilded pawn
sire (only p1)
ember apex
yeah
gilded pawn
huntsman altimor (for arms only)
junior gale
nah fuck nelth portal assignments were so annoying
ember apex
i didnt prog mythic sire
young swan
nah fuck nelth portal assignments were so annoying
they're a lot better now
junior gale
they're a lot better now
like S4 stuff?
young swan
ye
ember apex
but heroic sire p1 was poggers
junior gale
thats good. I havent seen any of the S4 changes
young swan
you have like 12s on the cast and the positions are preset
junior gale
thank god
young swan
also you dont have reduced damage in the portal
ember apex
sanctum KT upstairs only was prob one of the best bosses ever
junior gale
I hated how if the boss was shifted an inch you would get a new set of portals
or some would just not spawn
oblique trail
Bro Carlo stop right now
hasty path
sanctum KT upstairs only was prob one of the best bosses ever
??????????????
ember apex
Bro Carlo stop right now
?
oblique trail
KT was only good at the very extreme end of Sanctum
fleet sorrel
And muted
hasty path
If boss has Dps stop it’s bad
junior gale
If boss has Dps stop it’s bad
there hasnt been a truer true since parry should be removed
dapper goblet
Here's my BiS Raid that's boss to boss to boss
Gnarlroot
P2 only Fyrakk
Sanctum...
praying you recover
hasty path
Here's my BiS Raid that's boss to boss to boss
Gnarlroot
P2 only Fyrakk
Sanctum...
This is literally psychotic
oblique trail
He left
young swan
he still has valarjar for me
oblique trail
Ngl saying KT was one of the best bosses regardless of phase deserves a perma mute
But couldn't do it to him
left perch
wait he left??
hasty path
Ngl saying KT was one of the best bosses regardless of phase deserves a perma mu...
Real
clever belfry
wait he left??
hasty path
Also as a tank, fuck gnarlroot
oblique trail
Good
clever belfry
didnt miss
hasty path
Why does that mf literally just blow tanks up sometimes
clever belfry
anything
oblique trail
Horrendous boss
left perch
Best and only thing good about KT was unlocking Jaithy for vault
hasty path
KT was the first hard-ish boss I ever progged
oblique trail
KT was only difficult because people pushed at the wrong time
And forgot to kick/kill at the right time
clever belfry
KT was the first hard-ish boss I ever progged
did u not play painsmith?
left perch
KT was the first hard-ish boss I ever progged
I had a worse time with Fate 😦
hasty path
I did not
fleet sorrel
It was just a one minute timeout
junior gale
I only did KT on heroic during fated so I have an idea of the fight
fleet sorrel
But he fished for it
indigo quarry
Painsmith was a cool boss
junior gale
but never did mythic
hasty path
I did first 4 then joined a guild on KT
I did do painsmith in fated (it was literally my kruptonite I died constantly)
dire badge
o7 vil you saved us
hasty path
I only did KT on heroic during fated so I have an idea of the fight
You don’t if you only did heroic
sick viper
bro I want nighthold to come back
hasty path
Mythic was very different
left perch
poor one out for final Carlo moment
hasty path
It requires really precise Dps synchronization
hasty path
poor one out for final Carlo moment <:critcake:984549832511344640>
I want roidstack back
Soul for a soul
junior gale
You don’t if you only did heroic
yeah I didnt get back into mythic after Nathria until DF
vital jewel
Kt was less pulls than every mid raid boss that tier
left perch
I want roidstack back
Based
dire badge
Only 1k pulls to go
young swan
pull count directly correlates with how good a boss it
dont think that was the argument being made
junior gale
Tswift P1 pull count inflation
dire badge
dont think that was the argument being made
I’m only running at max human speed toward you
sick viper
Ngl saying KT was one of the best bosses regardless of phase deserves a perma mu...
wait he legit thinks KT is good????
dire badge
Carlo never thought before so probably not
young swan
was either rage bait or legit and either way carlo should never be able to share his opinions
dire badge
It was always a 🪤
young swan
gnarlroot is a good first boss
hasty path
was either rage bait or legit and either way carlo should never be able to share...
Carlo is a prime example in the argument against free speech
hasty path
gnarlroot is a good first boss
Nah
gilded pawn
tarrague is pretty fun
dire badge
and like every first boss of any raid
that’s the farthest he could get on mythic
sick viper
Kazzara > gnarlroot
hasty path
Volcoross and gnarlroot should be swapped
indigo quarry
Skorp the padding
young swan
holy fuck
sick viper
Mythic shriek was pretty decent
junior gale
Garothi Worldbreaker in Antorus was a fun first boss 🙂
vital jewel
Sivara
indigo quarry
Tarragrue and Shriek are cool idea for first boss
hasty path
Mythic shriek was pretty decent
Shriek was banger
young swan
i didnt like sivarra but its a really good first boss
dire badge
They should have just let people choose abilities for Tarra after like week 5
vital jewel
Shriek is epic cause u can 1 tank 0 heal it in farm
sick viper
Nath and Sanctum passed the vibecheck tbh
young swan
sanctum
hasty path
Nathria was a banger
young swan
xd
sick viper
nah even tho it had more shit bosses than the other 2 raids it still felt cool asf
humble plover
Emerald nightmare
hasty path
It was a bad aesthetic and mostly mediocre bosses
hasty path
Nathria aesthetic is quite literally peak raid design
sick viper
agreed
hasty path
Since I started WoW I’d personally rank the raids as:
Nathria>VOTI>SFO>Aberrus>Sanctum>Amirdrassil
sick viper
Nathria>SFO>Sanctum>Amirdrassil>VOTI>Aberrus
young swan
why did u put amirdrassil twice
sick viper
copy paste typo
young swan
i thought maybe u were saying the dropoff is so bad that you had to put it twice
i think vault was pretty good
but I didnt prog any of the bosses at a difficult state
and I skipped all of slands
hallow sphinx
i think vault was pretty good
The bird owns 
dapper goblet
oblique trail
Rasza was cool but don't like fights taking 13-14 minutes
sick viper
Raszageth >>>> fyrakk
hasty path
Nathria>SFO>Sanctum>Amirdrassil>VOTI>Aberrus
Admittedly VotI is skewed for me being my first CE most likely
But I’ve easily enjoyed it more than other raids this xpac
oblique trail
Kinda took away from the fight and how good it was, because a wipe deep into last phase meant having to spend 10+ minutes to get back to that same state, in one single pull
hollow elk
Raz fight was legit fun
hasty path
Kinda took away from the fight and how good it was, because a wipe deep into las...
Feels good to have 4 p3 pulls on Rasz and 4 kills
junior gale
Feel like anyone who played a class that didnt suffer in P1 enjoyed raz
I also really like dmg amp phases
oblique trail
I played DH so yea
hasty path
DKs lmao
oblique trail
It was very good for me
hasty path
I played brew so it was ok for me usually
Unless transcend just didn’t want to work because of latency
junior gale
I remember our priests on genuine suicide watch
hasty path
I remember our priests on genuine suicide watch
Lmao lemme send our priest’s pov of our CE kill
sick viper
Heroic Raz was the most fun I had this xpac tbh
indigo quarry
this wind mechanic was stupid
obtuse yarrow
do i use the t31 talent build after 2-set or 4-set?
dire badge
My priests hated spider boss more than raz cause they kept getting the spinning bug every pull
sick viper
getting rid of the puddles on mythic is dumb asf
hasty path
(Also he had a GOATed hype reaction)
dire badge
Only happened to priests whole tier for us
hasty path
My priests hated spider boss more than raz cause they kept getting the spinning ...
Monk on spider boss was literally gamba
Sometimes roll made you go nowhere
junior gale
My priests hated spider boss more than raz cause they kept getting the spinning ...
the spider boss is the worst shit ive done in my life
hasty path
Sometimes roll shot you into oblivion at Mach 7
young swan
do i use the t31 talent build after 2-set or 4-set?
theres a hybrid build you can run for 2pc but I'd recommend just swapping to t31 fully with 2pc
obtuse yarrow
ok, ty
young swan
not that it will matter much anymore with s4 launching tomorrow
junior gale
I feel like everytime they do a gimmick boss its never well recieved
silent burrow
dire badge
spider boss was krptonite for me
I always had the worst luck I’d play like ass and fall off or I’d blast and everyone else fall off
young swan
that boss was so bad
dire badge
hasty path
Skill issue
dire badge
Skill issue
Brood boss team 🫡
silent burrow
Skill issue
hasty path
Brood boss team 🫡
🙂
silent burrow
Brood boss team 🫡
boss tank team for him lol
dire badge
I wanted to be boss team every week but they wouldn’t let me
hasty path
boss tank team for him lol
🤫
junior gale
having to stand on a rock to not get pulled and sometimes if ur not on the right pixel u get launched over the rock and die
hasty path
having to stand on a rock to not get pulled and sometimes if ur not on the right...
Ya I never trusted that shit
fast mural
Skill issue
nice healing logs
silent burrow
don't make me pull out the healing logs
junior gale
once u got the spot down it was ez and workedd 99.9% of the time but I remember watching all the fails
gilded pawn
i thought lolxd had the biggest healing logs
silent burrow
silent burrow
fast mural
chad
hasty path
No crop
sick viper
brewmaster the enhance shaman of tanking
hasty path
What does that even mean
sick viper
its feels like shit to play
young swan
sick viper
too nerdy for me
eternal sundial
enhas main issue is that i want spell alert glow on warrior
but not on enha
and cba to enable or disable every time i relog
tiny seal
why tf is fury this ass in s4
radiant plank
Dont worry blizzard promsied they would tune
marble stratus
it's because fury hasn't seen a buff since.. what S2? And it still didn't help our ST in raid that much
sullen dove
praying you recover
fast mural
it's because fury hasn't seen a buff since.. what S2? And it still didn't help o...
tbf fury didnt need a buff in S3
glad coyote
https://tenor.com/view/pepo-gif-20505055
lets be real they will not tune season 4 when they have war within to worry about
pretty sure what you see tomorrow is what we get
fast mural
idk changing some numerical values cant be the work load for 50 people
sullen dove
just deaths advance and cannot be moved tank that shit
hasty path
Yeah you press DA and don’t move
Meanwhile I’m double transcending, triple rolling, tigers lusting
And our UH is just Vibing
crimson bay
OCE BiS again?
silent burrow
I kinda wonder if OCE is bait, cause idk how many other specs going to be using it
silent burrow
seems way way more likely to have all icon buffs
oblique trail
In what context?
Augury + Brand is basically 99% bis for raid, and otherwise you'd like just use Augury + Puzzle or Icon/OCE for M+
Although Icon/OCE depends on the rest of the group with how good it is, however admittedly still good passive options regardless
silent burrow
Yeah sorry thought I was in arms
I just went through like, all of the bis lists on icy veins and it seems really unlikely to get all the buffs for either trinket though. At least for my raid's comp
Unless you talk people into wearing them that otherwise wouldn't, or taking stats they normally wouldn't
young swan
why tf is fury this ass in s4
fury is fine, arms is just overperforming by like 30k
sour frigate
crimson bay
Wouldn't brand be BiS with ring from vault?
oblique trail
You don't need Brand for the rings to be bis
The Lego and Helm enchant both take care of the fire damage to proc both of them
crimson bay
Thought those were shadowflame damage
oblique trail
Both of which you'd have on no matter your general setup
Shadowflame still counts as fire damage
lean wasp
you guys have a clue if mythic raid next season is gonna be cross realm day 1 ?
oblique trail
Considering there's no HoF there'd be no reaosn not to
It's also just a 4fun season
lean wasp
did they do it in SL ?
ye ik
but just making sure since i was asked to do some realm transfer
sour frigate
will flightstones be reset on s4 drop?
slim coral
why tf is fury this ass in s4
Just wait until you see what TWW is looking like with slayer and mountain thane
sullen dove
i dont get it is that supposed to improve his opinion of fury
slim coral
Nope
sullen dove
o
slim coral
Ah yes half them not working is fine copium
young swan
are u being intentionally dense or
olive wraith
It’s also alpha
slim coral
I’m messing with bro
sullen dove
just a prank bro
young swan
just pretending
quiet geyser
I thought he liked thane
slim coral
A lot of things but mostly that half the interactions weren’t working, a few of the talents in the tree didn’t make sense, the fact that thunder blast did less dmg than normal thunderclap
slim coral
I thought he liked thane
He does
quiet geyser
It was slayer he basically quit on
slim coral
That’s why he’s mad it sucks
Basically he was just malding at its performance and blizzards choice in how they built the spec tree
clever path
if not op, proceed to get upset
silent burrow
warrior getting hosed af on our "rework" or whatever they wanna call it
quiet geyser
Not a rework, a purge
silent burrow
true
clever path
the squeeky wheel gets the grease, make all of your voices heard
final birch
just warrior being poopoo
warrior poopoo
silent burrow
I ain't a squeeky person
clever path
just tag archi in all of your feedback
slim coral
if not op, proceed to get upset
It has nothing to do with being op
Mountain thane was doing like 40k ST and half the interactions weren’t even working
clever path
It has nothing to do with being op
ah so they probably shouldnt have it in the alpha as ready to test
clever path
well if its not working, shouldnt it be removed
oblique trail
Figure out what works and what doesn't
oblique trail
That's a very weird way to look at Alpha's and Beta's
You play on them actively knowing it's not finished
clever path
thats your perogative lmao
oblique trail
Exactly?
You decide to go play on them because you want to give feedback for what works and what doesn't. What can be changed, and what is fine
clever path
did you get alpha?
oblique trail
I did not
oblique trail
?