#fury
slim coral
oblique trail
Dealing nature damage gives you a fire shield, dealing fire damage gives you a nature shield, all on a 1min CD
It wasn't really used at all over a better statted neck this season, don't see it changing next season either
Maybe in some keys on an omega high key level it could find some niche use, but Fury should be tanky enough to live anything that doesn't already oneshot them and the rest of the group
south kayak
Hi
left perch
yea but we say them about good items that are hard to come by. Which is the opposite of what it means lol
unreal onyx
catnip
left perch
now that’s a buzzword
heavy sparrow
WHAT IF! Meat cleaver was 20 targets!?
You might think i'm crazy, but really i'm not i promise.
eternal sundial
Then fury still does piss st
south kayak
You promise? that's good enough for me
heavy sparrow
I think that aoe is generally more difficult to balance than st
eternal sundial
I think that aoe is generally more difficult to balance than st
You say this but the st tuning is awful too
heavy sparrow
What? No it isn't, i can't think of many times where st was as balanced as now
unreal onyx
if ST is good on fury, aoe is good too
if ST sucks, aoe sucks too
since aoe is basically ST just with ww buff
heavy sparrow
Depending on how high they push the % on cleaver
unreal onyx
target cap still fucks us over imo
eternal sundial
What? No it isn't, i can't think of many times where st was as balanced as now
Do you really think sub rogue being 10% ahead of the 2nd best spec (bar aug issues) is okay?
Cuz i do not think so
heavy sparrow
That's just mechanics, it's impossible to balance that, some specs have better toolkits that cater to certain mechanics better
left perch
What? No it isn't, i can't think of many times where st was as balanced as now
You haven’t played with assassin rogue yet have you
heavy sparrow
In terms of sustained damage classes are relatively well balanced
Unless you homogenize every single class you will never get that kind of perfect balance
left perch
eternal sundial
goal post moved
heavy sparrow
The problem is that you're asking for the impossible, or undesirable
dire badge
No the problem is they disagree with what you are saying
heavy sparrow
Do you have an issue with fury being excellent on the second boss? I bet you don't
Becuase of how it's designed
eternal sundial
Does 2nd boss matter
I would have an issue if my spec sucked hard on the relevant bosses
Neither of the warri specs have that issue currently
heavy sparrow
If you have an issue with other specs but not with this, you're just cherry picking, that's about all
eternal sundial
Becuase of how it's designed
Sub rogue isnt top boss damage because of how Volcoross works
left perch
I agree balancing is hard / impossible. I don’t agree we should up meat cleaver to 20+ targets.
heavy sparrow
That was a joke
slim coral
what I do think is that warrior gets shafted most of the time in m+
left perch
That said, I can agree it’s impossible to do and also say “fury sucks st” in the same breath
heavy sparrow
20 target meat cleaver with current balancing would be absurd
dense elbow
If we need more pure AoE, just buff OF 
heavy sparrow
Anyway, the 20 targets was just a stupid joke, it's obviously never gonna happen
For pretty obvious reasons
Unless it's a soft cap
Then.... Maybe, but they would likely nerf the modifier
Or significantly reduce damage after the soft cap, like 1/4 of the damage
covert blaze
If we need more pure AoE, just buff OF <:Hydrate:690891013350228028>
no more OF in 2 weeks
how are you holding up
dense elbow
Pretty ok, I plan (2)+(2)
sullen dove
arms welcomes you into its warm embrace
dense elbow
Arms don't have OF tho
heavy sparrow
But arms also has soft caps instead of hard caps
So they don't really need another OF like ability
dense elbow
Everyone needs an OF in their life
heavy sparrow
I think ravager overall makes even 10 target fury aoe pretty fine
But if they were to do something, buff of
It's too weak
The capstones are especially boring too
dense elbow
Ravager already beat out OF on AoE with tierset DMG mod, so yeah
heavy sparrow
And i think also weak
If you wanted to spec full aoe while losing some st, OF could be the option, but right now without the tier set, OF is just badly tuned
And Onslaught is just better for practical purposes
Both aoe, and especially st
eternal sundial
Arms don't have OF tho
Arms relevant buttons are uncapped
heavy sparrow
Unless you're like 20 targets, which let's be real, how many times are you gonna do?
summer quail
Unless you're like 20 targets, which let's be real, how many times are you gonna...
every AA run
heavy sparrow
Is it really worth it to lose that much st just so you can pad a bit higher on tree boss?
I don't think so
eternal sundial
Is it really worth it to lose that much st just so you can pad a bit higher on t...
Arms aoe build does fury raidbuild st
The exe build does more than fury raid
summer quail
the 1 bladestorm build does really solid aoe and doesn't lose that much st
eternal sundial
👍
dense elbow
Doesn't matter, Fury or Arms, as long one spec can pretend to be meta for the first part of the season, we are fine
eternal sundial
summer quail
Also, Fury is meta, on break the meta
i swear break the meta has to be based mostly on popularity
why else would destro be allowed, destro is so goddamn strong
gilded pawn
dense elbow
Godly pad potential
Just don't look on boss dam, and you are da beast 
(chase away and gasslight anyone else from AoEing)
unreal onyx
blizz tactics for years
sullen dove
Just don't look on boss dam, and you are da beast <:Rampage:592471610536099840> ...
huh
it’s no dumb overtuned rogue or anything but fury boss dam is pretty phat this tier
esp on fyrakk it feels like I’m always top 3
but yknow… could just be a function of… suboptimal players… 
oblique trail
I was also nr.2 on my Fyrakk kill, although I'd attribute it to a prog kill with things going wrong
Other specs for sure have better boss damage than Fury
odd talon
Hey all I'm a returning WoW vet seeking to fury main. I do have a desire to min/max and would like to know the top race pick for alliance for Fury War. (or any resources you may have to show me dps comparions/navigational tips for log data)
modest condor
i cant tell how my boss damage is because im getting juiced the fuck out by my evokers and we all know how accurate the hooks are in logs
oblique trail
Hey all I'm a returning WoW vet seeking to fury main. I do have a desire to min/...
For pure numbers, rn it's Human generally. However you'd find a more practical use being Nelf if you care about M+ because of Shadowmeld
With a minor loss in sim dps
modest condor
we have 2, and starting with the intermission they both think i'm a great target
dire badge
I think ur great always silm
oblique trail
Accidentally pop a cheeky ebon might and sands on you during each soul wave
dire badge
jovial coral
I was also nr.2 on my Fyrakk kill, although I'd attribute it to a prog kill with...
Now imagine if that was world ranking
oblique trail
Now imagine if that was world ranking
I can only dream of being that good at the video game
jovial coral
Press funny keys on keyboard or
summer quail
we have 2, and starting with the intermission they both think i'm a great target
i mean if you hold cds for intermission you're a pretty good target
oblique trail
I'll do better next time I'm in for Fyrakk
Have been benched for him so far but at least full reclear on Thursday (except Fyrakk for me)
left perch
yellow name benched, sheesh
south iron
Fury warriors feeling good about s4 or where we at?
oblique trail
yellow name benched, sheesh
Trial moment
left perch
summer quail
Trial moment
you trialing in sabotage?
oblique trail
Yeah
summer quail
competing with mulle
oblique trail
It's gg
summer quail
that guy is a beast
oblique trail
Maybe if @tardy lark was here I'd have a chance
indigo quarry
Banezi moving upp
he got yellow color
going for stronk guild
this guy gonna be next to Revvez soon
oblique trail
Well it's Danish only so it's debuffed
oblique trail
this guy gonna be next to Revvez soon
First I'd have to look competent next to Wallife for that and that's not happening
summer quail
it's when i compare myself to people like wallife, revvez etc that i realize how shit i am
oblique trail
I don't think I'm bad but I'm certainly not Wallife or Revvez levels
Don't think I will be either
summer quail
ye exactly, like i think i'm pretty decent but that's about it
but it's like challenger players vs diamond players in league, diamond players overall are pretty good. just shit compared to challenger
ember apex
fyrakk p2 is prob one of the best boss phases ever
(i started playing in shadowlands so i dont have a lot of perspective outside that)
jovial coral
Ok
young swan
p3 argus is prob my fav boss phase ever
restive peak
and extremely bad next tier
Surely tuning is coming bro right? RIGHT?
sullen dove
ember apex
tier 2 got buffed already
slim coral
oblique trail
Surely tuning is coming bro right? RIGHT?
Tbf it looks really bad mostly because of the state Arms is in, from what I've heard (literally have done no fact checking) we're fairly close to what other specs sim
young swan
that phase literally force kills u
you have no idea how cool it was to zone into that raid in the first week of heroic with no knowledge of how the fight worked and see the whole raid die
it was so sick
ember apex
yeah ur right i wasnt playing the game then
slim coral
it needs to pump
oblique trail
If anything though I'd be surprised if Arms doesn't get touched before S4
ember apex
but i think if u look objectively at shadowlands and dragonflight
p2 Fyrakk is really only comparable to Dathea platforms
in terms of how good they both are
modest condor
that's definitely a carlo take
ember apex
in terms of standing out from the rest of the encounters
oblique trail
Lil bro has never done Sylv P3
ember apex
that boss
was the 1 boss
i did as arms
and i hate arms
oh u know what
im lying i made that up i did fated sylvanas
that was THE SHIT
fated sylvanas was insanely good
p1 w/ orbs, p2 w/ the orbs and yeah p3 with the orbs
actually yeah wtf sylvanas p3 was dope too but only fated
restive peak
Tbf it looks really bad mostly because of the state Arms is in, from what I've h...
We are, arms is giga broken
I keep trying to tell arms hypebois but they dont wanna listen, everyone is simming like 396-408kish
And arms is fuckin 445 LOL
summer quail
devoker 🙂
oblique trail
We'll see how much specs move around when S4 comes out, because Icon is definitely getting nerfed as well
And wont give 1500 crit baseline loel
restive peak
Dev also being broken just means it will also get nerfed
modest condor
indirect buff to fury because it barely beats augury for us anyway pog
tardy lark
Maybe if <@198808002629730304> was here I'd have a chance
Ill have Mulle flame you
oblique trail
Ill have Mulle flame you
Would he really listen to a betrayer
Not only did you leave, you also turned rogue (literally)
summer quail
wait you main yellow now ågård?
oblique trail
He did for Amirdrassil prog 
summer quail
tardy lark
I still have him do some accountant stuff for my company, so i talk to him occasionally. He ditched last Sabo party i was at though
tardy lark
wait you main yellow now ågård?
Played Rogue for most of Amirdrassil yeh
Warrior down bad
ember apex
warrior has literal legendary
tardy lark
Also, Wallife as co warrior in a 1 warrior tier is rough
summer quail
warrior has literal legendary
not for the best guilds in prog they don't
ember apex
liquid and echo ran multiple fury
ok sick ill just forget i saw that then so i can believe ur opinions
oblique trail
Also, Wallife as co warrior in a 1 warrior tier is rough
It's not quite Wallife but I feel a bit intimidated by Mulle as well ngl
Mans knows how to blast and I'm just a filthy orange parser by comparison
summer quail
liquid and echo ran multiple fury
this tier? they did not run multiple warriors for any of the hard bosses atleast
tardy lark
ok sick ill just forget i saw that then so i can believe ur opinions
Echo literally has not had a single prog kill with 2 warriors outside larodar my man
left perch
carlo moment
"but they had people gear them for splits that means they thought something!!"
summer quail
maybe you're thinking of aberrus? where they ran 2 warriors on sark @ember apex
ember apex
no i did think both guilds had fyrakk/tindral w/ 2 warriors
but im definitely wrong
looking @ videos
tardy lark
dont have to look further than raiderio website
oblique trail
modest condor
imagine if that goes to some shady virus
sullen dove
they had 4 warriors on fyrakk 
oblique trail
I am however not gonna check
edgy widget
I keep trying to tell arms hypebois but they dont wanna listen, everyone is simm...
yeah there are a handful of specs oversimming, one of them is Arms
Fury is a lot closer to the median
restive peak
It's like giga cracked, don't get me wrong it was fun to screw around with but I think arms bois are coping hard
edgy widget
Icon is getting nerfed and will take things down slightly but it's not gonna be a 20-50k drop, and will affect most of the underperformers as much as the over
restive peak
I wonder when we'll get tuning, any insider info?
edgy widget
like the difference between Icon and Augury for Fury is ~0.7%, maybe 2-3k dps last I checked
restive peak
Must be a few days at most since it came down today
edgy widget
there will be some more tuning
modest condor
monday/tuesday does sound like a good day to announce tuning
edgy widget
Must be a few days at most since it came down today
na I got confirmation that Icon was getting nerfed like 2 weeks ago, blizz just moves at their own pace
restive peak
True, kk
edgy widget
considering it's blizz, they might just wait and do it the monday before the season goes live
modest condor
give me 51% damage buff to bt per tierset stack
restive peak
I find jugger arms very awkward/jarring to play so I really hope it isn't BIS lol
Change our tier to "fury does 400% more damage overall" POG
modest condor
isnt juggernaut always the best simming for arms?
modest condor
oh yeah aoe
restive peak
But ye I meant the AOE jugger, my b lol
oblique trail
Pretty sure any top Arms players just run single BS now
And don't bother with Jugger anymore
sullen dove
Didn’t jugg only exist this tier cuz increased sudden death chance
Yea wouldnt it be shit normally in s4
just for bosses
restive peak
Tbh I barely tested it, just enough to know it was all giga busted and clearly not remaining
sullen dove
jus remove jugg get anything else prolly more worth
final birch
And don't bother with Jugger anymore
its just too ass to play with in aoe
sullen dove
esp cause you’re presumably spamming cleave again
final birch
and to get its full value you'd have to have avatar in execute
restive peak
I just tested the builds Tmy had made, and found jugger AOE ST notably higher so ran that
sullen dove
one more button to smack in rotation to take away from hitting exe
modest condor
I just tested the builds Tmy had made, and found jugger AOE ST notably higher so...
yeah but at that point most people just went fury instead
sullen dove
yea I mean st will be probably, just isn’t worth much aoe don’t think
modest condor
like you play arms for the aoe in m+
mossy fox
jugg arms is mostly budget fury
restive peak
Ye, TBH I expect fury to be better in M+ again after tuning cuz of S2 set dmg profile etc
But still a lot to go til it's final and we know really, all speculative still
oblique trail
My only issue going into S4 with Arms at least is that there are so many buttons to press in AoE
sullen dove
sullen dove
wym u have 6 buttons and you want to press all of them at any given moment
edgy widget
Ye, TBH I expect fury to be better in M+ again after tuning cuz of S2 set dmg pr...
Fury doing fine in the AoE department, but as soon as there's any priority damage it falls flat
mossy fox
if fury gets some reasonable tuning i suspect i'll end up playing fury over arms in most keys
restive peak
Fury doing fine in the AoE department, but as soon as there's any priority damag...
The lovely fury problem rears its head again lol
mossy fox
big if though
restive peak
if fury gets some reasonable tuning i suspect i'll end up playing fury over arms...
^
Always a big if w blizzy
Need to be useful I can't play anymore TFT man
ember apex
Fury doing fine in the AoE department, but as soon as there's any priority damag...
i dont think that's accurate. S2 was all about high average damage w/ low variability
restive peak
My eyes are bleeding
edgy widget
My only issue going into S4 with Arms at least is that there are so many buttons...
new rotation
sullen dove
i dont think that's accurate. S2 was all about high average damage w/ low variab...
high aoe damage, not prio
sullen dove
you hit 5-8 targets in a decent flat line
restive peak
Point is our ST sucks, Carlo
sullen dove
nothing u have does anything special to a prio target over any other
edgy widget
i dont think that's accurate. S2 was all about high average damage w/ low variab...
please, tell me more about how the class works 
modest condor
fury's prio damage in m+ is fine with s2 tier
mossy fox
ya, just fury's ST in general is lagging behind atm on ptr
edgy widget
the reason it looked like a flat line is because cooldowns were so frequent there was no spike, that has nothing to do with what I said
ember apex
s2 fury damage didnt have high variability meaning that we had consistently above average damage vs a class that uses cooldowns that may or may not be in cooldowns
mossy fox
that gets tuned and we're in business
edgy widget
assuming it gets tuned
restive peak
He never said it had any variability ever, what are you even arguing for lmao
PLS TUNE BLIZZ
mossy fox
yep
edgy widget
Yeah literally nobody said anything about variance
summer quail
did they do tuning before fated in slands?
edgy widget
we were talking about the state of Arms vs Fury right now
ember apex
the reason it looked like a flat line is because cooldowns were so frequent ther...
how do we not have prio damage then? if we're consistently doing slightly above average damage b/c we dont have a reliance on cooldowns
restive peak
Because our ST dmg is dogwater compared to others
restive peak
Will be*
edgy widget
Because Arms is doing more or less the same AoE and blasting much higher in ST/low target
restive peak
Currently we're solid
edgy widget
you're wildly conflating two entirely different concepts lol
ember apex
yeah i mean arms has its niche and fury has its niche
restive peak
Gonna reclear as arms tm just for the muscle memory
quiet geyser
but i think if u look objectively at shadowlands and dragonflight
p2 Fyrakk is ...
Dathea was a banger
hard widget
yeah i mean arms has its niche and fury has its niche
Fury doesnt have a niche currently, since we dont have s3 set anymore
sullen dove
Arms is just a better fury in every situation next season rn
restive peak
No, no the point is fury has no niche if this ships as is Carlo
sullen dove
Until fury buffed or arms nerfed
edgy widget
Fury doesnt have a niche currently, since we dont have s3 set anymore
Yeah, Fury's niche is just being mediocre lol
mossy fox
true
hard widget
With s3 set we shined on ST, now we just dont shine on anything really
young swan
Yeah, Fury's niche is just being mediocre lol
woooo now i really get to immerse myself in my spec
restive peak
Arms nerf is basically guaranteed, but it doesn't mean enough to bring it even w fury
final birch
Arms nerf is basically guaranteed, but it doesn't mean enough to bring it even w...
nerfing arms
would be absolute joke
after buffing
mossy fox
idk if it's guaranteed tbh
final birch
they buffed the tier set for a reason
young swan
With s3 set we shined on ST, now we just dont shine on anything really
we shine on bosses with adds that need to be padded on
oblique trail
Arms is an outlier and a case of Blizz just overbuffing
clever belfry
we shine on bosses with adds that need to be padded on <a:chatting:1036769769543...
NEED
restive peak
I can basically bet my first born arms isn't coming out at 445 sim when almost every other spec is around 405-410ish
clever belfry
i can not NOT pad
oblique trail
Maybe not -40k in ST talents, but don't think it'll stay as is
final birch
arms is not alone
ember apex
arms is simming 445k ST DPS?
oblique trail
Yeah I know about Dev evoker
restive peak
Devoker, what else?
final birch
and god knows what else
hard widget
we shine on bosses with adds that need to be padded on <a:chatting:1036769769543...
Like first boss ruby 😄
NEED TO PAD
edgy widget
after buffing
I mean the buff was an absolute joke
when is the last time you saw a tier set get buffed by 50%?
summer quail
Devoker, what else?
rogue
restive peak
2 being that busted = they're getting nerfed, every other spec isn't getting buffed to 445
summer quail
outlaw iirc
restive peak
Where? Our outlaw sims 408k
final birch
I mean the buff was an absolute joke
when is the last time you saw a tier set ge...
sure but they knew s1 tier set and still decided to buff it regardless
edgy widget
Sure, but the point still stands
summer quail
or was it sub, someone said rogue was one of the outliers
edgy widget
it was a bad buff in terms of balance lol
hard widget
Its fine Archimtiros will buff us
hard widget
Not true
mossy fox
i thought that was xeos
hard widget
U got slam buffed
restive peak
Archi been fighting blizz lookin like Charmander episode 2 since forever man, they hate us
edgy widget
i thought that was xeos
yikers
restive peak
Xeos voodoo in full effect
young swan
U got slam buffed
no that was me
ember apex
can u make a scare monger post on wowhead about the state of fury on the PTR
edgy widget
no that was me
restive peak
They have the data man, if we can all get the data and make it readily available, blizzard has it lmao
hard widget
As long as u dont get slam buffed again
summer quail
Well, work ur magic again we shit rn
need critcakes magic for that, "i am upset 2"
oblique trail
no that was me
yeah get slam buffed then talents nerfed to keep it in balance
modest condor
17 paragraphs 20% slam buff
ember apex
They have the data man, if we can all get the data and make it readily available...
its for community pressure
quiet geyser
Realistically wouldnt the easiest fix just be nerf WW buff back down and then aura buff fury?
edgy widget
I mean there are several "fixes"
modest condor
if fury's aoe would be a problem after the aura buff that's how they could do it yes
edgy widget
buff auto attack more 😏
restive peak
Buff wrecking throw, let's get a REAL rotation going here bois
summer quail
buff auto attack more 😏
real, gives us a bit more wft power now that we're losing anni
modest condor
the real rotation is buffing whirlwind to the point it's our top builder on st
then you're rotating all the time
quiet geyser
Problem or not, we dont necessary need more AoE damage lol. Kinda would just cancel each other out but bring its ST up
restive peak
Silm is COOOOKING
modest condor
where's the gorilla in a tub
mossy fox
yeah if they buff our ST they can just nerf meat cleaver a bit if our aoe is too high after
ember apex
i like RB as a builder tbh
mossy fox
easy tuning knobs, just need to use them
oblique trail
where's the gorilla in a tub
She's a maniac
summer quail
on the floor?
hard widget
Just let us dual wield Fyraleth, problem solved. Just chattin
modest condor
still not enough to make us compete with arms tbh
hard widget
still not enough to make us compete with arms tbh
triple wield kekw
restive peak
20% or we riot
mossy fox
still not enough to make us compete with arms tbh
maybe unlock fated gavel for fury
maybe that's enough
modest condor
no
hard widget
maybe unlock fated gavel for fury
+1
modest condor
i dont think gavel beats lego anymore after all the buffs
oblique trail
Please let Gavel die with Shadowlands
mossy fox
true
quiet geyser
i dont think gavel beats lego anymore after all the buffs
Speaking of which, is using the legendary affect for S2 tier set a dps loss?
modest condor
no
quiet geyser
Oh read somewhere it was
summer quail
Speaking of which, is using the legendary affect for S2 tier set a dps loss?
got buffed by quite a bit
mossy fox
tldr is just use it outside of avatar innit
restive peak
Only channels for like 1.2s so you lose a GCD or two max, def still worth
oblique trail
Watch one fight be so tight with timings you wont even use Fyralath
Wasn't Sark cringe with timings
mossy fox
would prolly pop it in cds if adds are about to die like we do now
oblique trail
Didn't play in Aberrus
mossy fox
in some cases anyway
quiet geyser
If you lust on pull though wouldnt it be beneficial to use it in the lust for the extra haste?
modest condor
sark timings in p2 were cringe yeah
had to send 2nd reck/rav slightly early to get it back up for 3rd adds i think
mossy fox
If you lust on pull though wouldnt it be beneficial to use it in the lust for th...
you should find time for the leggo within the 40s lust window
even if you use after cds
ember apex
2 globals early
modest condor
36 seconds of avatar on opener
mossy fox
easy enough time
quiet geyser
Lmao so a 4 sec window
ember apex
"carlo plz stack w/ the group"
modest condor
honestly at that point it might be better to just go charge onslaught lego as opener
restive peak
I just yell "IN SPEAR" or "LEGGO" frequently and my raid adjusts, love those bois
modest condor
lol
quiet geyser
Ya thats what i was thinking. But its also gonna play into timers for add phases and what not
bitter palm
I just yell "IN SPEAR" or "LEGGO" frequently and my raid adjusts, love those boi...
both gone next expac
ember apex
oh random question on fyrakk, in ur guys guilds do ur tanks pull the boss back towards the back of the room on pull
modest condor
dont worry you get a new lego channel if you play arms
restive peak
Then they'll just adjust cuz I have warrior brain, gotta teach people how to love you bro
quiet geyser
oh random question on fyrakk, in ur guys guilds do ur tanks pull the boss back t...
Front. Like by the edge
mossy fox
demolish as arms will be scary af if test of might stays
ember apex
like if u charge fyrakk on pull u go to where he was not where he's being tanked
so i came up w/ this little trick
mossy fox
imagine if demolish needs to optimally be used in tom overlap
modest condor
charge half a second later
summer quail
dont worry you get a new lego channel if you play arms
atleast that one is cancelable
young swan
imagine if demolish needs to optimally be used in tom overlap
stop ur gonna manifest it
ember apex
let me cook b/c this is sick
restive peak
CRIT DONT DO IT
ember apex
u stand at the super back
mossy fox
stop ur gonna manifest it
i'm already dooming it's too late
modest condor
tom is getting deleted in tww trust
young swan
i'm already dooming it's too late
restive peak
Carlo you wait .2secs cuz your tank should be taunt pulling anyway and you'll land on boss
No cooking needed
ember apex
u stand at the very back of the room and u heroic leap to where ur guild is standing and u spam charge AS ur leaping in
quiet geyser
We all know critcake is being a bayblade in tww dont worry
restive peak
Pretty standard on moving bosses to delay by .2secs to avoid wonky WoW mechanics
restive peak
Pls stop cooking, it's raw and may kill someone
ember apex
nah tell me why that's not sick AF
quiet geyser
u stand at the very back of the room and u heroic leap to where ur guild is stan...
Then you dont have heroic leap incase you get the meteor mechanic thing.
restive peak
Cuz you might want leap for the firestorm
quiet geyser
Bad cooking.
restive peak
Or if your tank runs far and taunt pulls to get to the corner for soaks quick
quiet geyser
Cuz you might want leap for the firestorm
❤️
ember apex
thats what i do and im good for the night
restive peak
Carlos PhD is a McPhD for sure
ember apex
Stand down alright
restive peak
Sittin down currently it's a computer
quiet geyser
Wasting leap for something so miniscule is just dumb. Its such a good "oh shit" button
restive peak
You know what Carlo you're right, you've cracked the code brotherman, IDK how we did it 15 weeks ago
❤️
ember apex
I still don't get why it's such a bad idea
arctic stone
i heard we can change spear animation back to sl version somehow. How to do it/ its live or ptr?
young swan
u get rage from landing ur heroic leap
this sounds outrageously fake but honestly ive never looked at the heroic leap tooltip to find out
modest condor
ppaww doing a bit of cunningham's law
mighty sleet
how high are the hopes for s4 fury not sucking?
young swan
i feel like you're trying to ask if fury is gonna suck in a roundabout way
fury isnt gonna suck, arms is just tuned outrageously high atm
mighty sleet
for s3?
young swan
for s4
mighty sleet
as arms i dont wanna die on every pack
mighty sleet
i tried it this season it alot of fun but ur so squish
young swan
or learn to live as arms
young swan
cause arms really isnt that much weaker defensively
mighty sleet
im not being sarcastic is swear
indigo quarry
this sounds outrageously fake but honestly ive never looked at the heroic leap t...
this guy is always trying to gaslight
fake news
checked tooltip
young swan
its fake?
modest condor
if leap gave rage it would be used on cooldown for dps because it's off the gcd
edgy widget
i heard we can change spear animation back to sl version somehow. How to do it/ ...
It’s a glyph, think already available but I’m not sure - check Wowhead
arctic stone
It’s a glyph, think already available but I’m not sure - check Wowhead
THX, founded
final birch
cause arms really isnt that much weaker defensively
Arms is still tanky its just fury healing with every gcd
And dr being against direct stuff too
People who feel squisht as arms havent really played other classes
Or mnaybe like ret/outlaw but those are obvious outliers
young swan
if leap gave rage it would be used on cooldown for dps because it's off the gcd
i swear carlo jsut says things and hopes they're true
mossy fox
if leap gave rage it would be used on cooldown for dps because it's off the gcd
leap is off gcd, free damage
edgy widget
It was actually used rotationally for damage in MoP
mossy fox
yeah
wouldn't recommend it today, damage is too low
but mop it actually did decent damage
edgy widget
I came up with a fun little technique to leap from one side of the boss to another during CS lol
And immediately regretted it lol
summer quail
MoP classic in a year or two, might just see that "soon"
summer quail
was the expansion i started in, i found it very fun but i was also garbage back then
mighty sleet
i tried SoD never played classic i went in and went straight out so many improvements over the years cant go back to that
not gonna hate on SoD
silver mantle
Sanctum of Domination had cool boss battle music
young swan
tragic that its associated with the worst patch to ever hit wow
silver mantle
Yeah. I think the raid itself was fun with some wild boss fights (painsmith). Everything else about the patch was the issue
young swan
dom shards
hearing about that patch made me so glad I quit at the start of nathria
sounded so painful
slim coral
It’s eclipse time!
clever path
question for S4 trinkets. The screaming black dragonscale from the first boss of S2 raid, can you use it when you use heroic leap?
indigo quarry
It’s eclipse time!
film it
dire badge
look directly
sudden tusk
dom shards
Shards of "Dom"olish
young swan
Shards of "Dom"olish
seek help
bitter palm
hearing about that patch made me so glad I quit at the start of nathria
blue name and didnt even play for a year
smh
plush ice
Just 70 percent here
So not quite as cool as the one 6 years ago, that time we were at 100 in my area, it was super rad
indigo quarry
https://tenor.com/view/eclipse-solar-eclipse-sun-moon-gif-14738954
my disappointment
is full
willow cradle
Supposed to happen right now where I'm at but I guess the angles fucked cause it just looks shaded
solemn plover
@oblique trail hows fury looking next season?
oblique trail
<@102464908976730112> hows fury looking next season?
Very powerful be sure to abuse it early before nerfs hit!
bitter palm
modest condor
it was at this moment he realised, he fucked up http://puu.sh/K4xtW/efce354f2b.png
cold jolt
Just move bro
slim coral
it was at this moment he realised, he fucked up http://puu.sh/K4xtW/efce354f2b.p...
pray you get gripped
cold jolt
Love grips
tender seal
Very powerful be sure to abuse it early before nerfs hit!
Not very yellow-name of you to decieve people like that 
Banezia the Deciever
oblique trail
I have never spread misinformation before
tender seal
Continuing down a path i see 
flat river
I have never spread misinformation before
hollow elk
compact knot
play what is fun
indigo quarry
If you wanna be swole and show off your real guns you are free to hop into #arms thats where the big gains are
cold jolt
i was gonna rage about poe
but realized was in wrong discord
i giga juiced a max map with a sou leater on it
indigo quarry
and stare at lfg for hours on end
you are doing it all wrong
be a chad come join the Arms gang
be your key leader
barren dagger
yeah i actually have to
im gonna do my weeklies as arms to learn a bit
cause 50k ST diff is just trolling
indigo quarry
some problem Arms has Fury has it worse somehow
nothing do dmg without 10 buff behind it
cold jolt
lol!
barren dagger
that prot warrior dmge
clever belfry
@young swan ?
young swan
<@137363315817971712> ?
whats up
indigo quarry
or stuff that could be reflected too
clever belfry
kick lore
young swan
kicking is for pussies
young swan
at the one and two slot u can see the biggest pussies in the group
hard widget
kicking is for pussies
Ethical non kicker speaking
young swan
i was playing shattering throw for incorp any criticism levied against me is invalidated
indigo quarry
so Spirited Defense worthy kick
young swan
zww stole my spirited defence kicks
slim coral
indigo quarry
so you can keep going full ZUGZUG
young swan
we were in discord he did it intentionally
young swan
so you can keep going full ZUGZUG
i was ethical i storm bolted them
and shattering threw them
hallow sphinx
<@204367291767324672>
clever belfry
hallow sphinx
Poor guy is blurry 
clever belfry
hate that for him
clever path
JPEG rot is real
hallow sphinx
young swan
left perch
where sticker from
gajeel private server invite only
still waiting for mine in the mail
sullen dove
@hallow sphinx what the flip
left perch
nah we are but @young swan asked us not to be included (wants all the status for himself)
left perch
bitter palm
that prot warrior dmge
🧎♂️
summer quail
i hate all of you
wow, i'm beyond offended!
hard widget
i hate all of you
Likewise xoxo
young swan
🥰
sick viper
I will pay for that sticker
low folio
screaming black dragonscale. that trinket seems interesting
sick viper
I'll pay tree fiddy
shell flare
When will one and fury warr be a thing?
shell flare
One-hand*
slim coral
When will one and fury warr be a thing?
never
fading sky
never
shell flare
Fuk
clever path
When will one and fury warr be a thing?
When Blizzard decides to give us back Glad Stance (never)
modest condor
Finally killed fyrakk
grats
radiant plank
When Blizzard decides to give us back Glad Stance (never)
SoD
fading sky
thx. ofc my parse was 50 ^_^
sadge
well so much pad on that fight
@modest condor wait for it.. i got mount as well 😄
modest condor
nice
sick viper
that's fuckin stinky bro
clever path
So was my behavior in Hardcore Classic
sick viper
You stinky!
low folio
wonder if augery will scale into the new seasons M+
fading sky
thx, only raiding twice a week
and having gettin utter facked by the roster boss
made it rouggh
i mean fury hasnt got that strong st, but i was 1st on st dmg on thgat boss
^_^
some ppl must have been holding cds so bad for adds 😄
barren dagger
isn't fury ST quite good this season?
sick viper
less than 1k guilds
looking at guilds above 884 in wowprogress rn is like diggin thru a graveyard
young swan
wonder if augery will scale into the new seasons M+
its not very far off Icon on ST even with icon being way overbudget so id say yes
sick viper
its crazy too cuz like a lot of those guilds killed Tindral like 6 or 7 weeks ago then just stopped
modest condor
i mean if you killed tindral 6-7 weeks ago it's very reasonable to assume they're just still progging fyrak
barren dagger
looking at guilds above 884 in wowprogress rn is like diggin thru a graveyard
i'm actually looking at guilds right now out of curiosity and it's mad there's some HOF guilds raiding twice a week for a total of 6 hours
modest condor
we've been on fyrakk for 5 weeks now
young swan
i'm actually looking at guilds right now out of curiosity and it's mad there's s...
during prog?
or right now
sick viper
nah the ones im talking about dont even got pulls on fyrakk
modest condor
rip
barren dagger
this guild got in descr "We aim to clear raids as efficiently as possible within the limited time that we raid, which we do by preparing well for each boss/raid. We add a third day for the first two weeks of a new tier in order to clear heroic ASAP, however outside of this we stick to the advertised 7 hours a week."
modest condor
cant blame them
barren dagger
top 160
modest condor
so many people just quit after tindral
sick viper
like they just straight up quit
sick viper
i'm actually looking at guilds right now out of curiosity and it's mad there's s...
some ppl just got that dawg in em
snow edge
It's believable, he's savage
barren dagger
going on reddit in the first place is the mistake
snow edge
Hope there's some Xan slander in there for good measure
modest condor
nobody is safe (i have no idea what he's talking about)
hasty tree
480 pulls fyrakk 24% it’s getting close
peak lagoon
It was the competitve wow Reddit
tidal kindle
How does tindral compare to gorefiend
tidal kindle
Gorefiend's like the other despair boss I hear about but I never played wod
peak lagoon
We almost killed tindral prenerf
sick viper
Fallen Avatar too
peak lagoon
Good boss if you aren't a healer
I loved leaping to unsoaked seeds last second
Peak warrior utility moment
tidal kindle
I was assigned toa seed in melee range
I was like "No way you're making the guy with point click seed grab + self freedom not flex"
tidal kindle
checkmate utility deniers
peak lagoon
We had our assigned spot being cursed seeds in the last dispell zone
So we could leap and insta soak it
Or if there weren't cursed spawns we held leap
God the boss was so different
Now you just press w
modest condor
i wonder how many pulls it take to kill nowadays
peak lagoon
I miss old tindral (stockholm syndrome)
modest condor
only having 3 dispels must have been a huge cut in pullcount
peak lagoon
I think I used like 200 inky blacks till first kill
sick viper
ranged stupid dumb dumb on Tindy
modest condor
i never used inky
peak lagoon
I bought 500 inky at the start
tidal kindle
I miss old tindral in the sense it was fun for the agency I had in that fight
But warrior has no resonsibilities so
peak lagoon
I have like 150 left
tidal kindle
modest condor
wasnt inky black potion to make the fire beams more easily visible as they come out?
tidal kindle
wasnt inky black potion to make the fire beams more easily visible as they come ...
Yeah
peak lagoon
Is so much fxking easier to see
tidal kindle
Ngl I culdn't do my flight w/ inky black
peak lagoon
I don't use inky anywhere else in the game ever
peak lagoon
I posted on reddit saying current fyrak and tindral difficulty are more than fine
If that freshens the memory
modest condor
ok yeah you deserved it then
modest condor
did too
tidal kindle
I think tindral before this last round of nerfs was fine
peak lagoon
I speak the truth
modest condor
i disagree
sick viper
"is it even a boss anymore?!?!"
tidal kindle
It's just too late in the tier for it to exist in that version, given how hard it was before
sick viper
timing's super important
tidal kindle
So had to get nerfed further
modest condor
it was still taking 300-500 pulls for guilds to kill it
peak lagoon
Idk I feel like people got massive the whiplash compared to how pisseasy last tier was too
modest condor
i dont understand how you can think that's fine
peak lagoon
Rasszageth felt harder
modest condor
yeah but that's an endboss with several unique phases
hard widget
i dont understand how you can think that's fine
Most wipes were p1 tho, figuring out the flying etc, the disspelling. Once u get that part down, its quite straight forward
P1 wipes are relatively fast
peak lagoon
People powerfarm wipes p1 / intermission
modest condor
imagine a boss which is a 5 minute target dummy and then transitions into tindral
after that it's the exact same boss
it would still take 300-500 pulls but now each pull is at least 5 minutes
i really dont buy this "they're all p1 wipes" take
peak lagoon
Revert seed nerf on tindral for fated
sick viper
wowbrain
hard widget
For us atleast once we got p1 down we got the boss down pretty fast
tidal kindle
Types of wipes matter too, I think 500 is still excessive but 350~ prob fine? I'm also severely disconnected though so could be overcooked take
dapper goblet
modest condor
350~ would be fine for an endboss
if you look at penultimate bosses the only one in the past 3 expansions that even comes close is slg and that one was also considered bullshit
hard widget
Zskarn after they fixed the cheese was horrendous
modest condor
(also talking about progtime not just pullcount)
sick viper
personally I'd like not to spend that much time on a video game boss
peak lagoon
I think a lot of people are also influenced by the warcrimes skyline committed on tindral
tidal kindle
The 4 tank shit?
peak lagoon
A lot of guilds only took like 200-300 pulls on both tindral and fyrak
modest condor
i am not at all taking skyline into account on tindral
modest condor
im talking about world rank 500-1k guilds that were progging it after the double soak nerf
sick viper
Perception can be skewed
modest condor
zskarn was annoying but not hard, if there were guide videos out im 100% sure it would have been a sub-100 pull boss for every CE guild
peak lagoon
Wish they upped the time instead
sick viper
bro's addicted to that digital success
modest condor
the problem is that every non-hof guild had to prog it in a state that none of the hof guilds did so there were no guides, hell there were barely any kill videos at all
peak lagoon
Zskarn was a classic slg mistake of spell queuing
clever belfry
only having 3 dispels must have been a huge cut in pullcount
biggest thing for 3 dispells is ease of keeping the players alive lol
cause that fight used to be fucking scary
all throughout
peak lagoon
Epic 800k moonfire into roots into dispells into firebeams without featherbombs
sick viper
HC week Rasz was the only boss that had perfect difficulty
tidal kindle
I guess it's my immortal dps prog privilege speaking when I say tindral was fine in it's last iteration
peak lagoon
In the span of 20ish seconds
tidal kindle
hard widget
Personally i didnt find Tindral to be "THAT HARD" but opinions differ, for us most pulls came from p1 which insanely inflated our pullcount but only accounted for 2 days of prog
clever belfry
I guess it's my immortal dps prog privilege speaking when I say tindral was fine...
how many pulls before the first dmg intake nerf did u do
peak lagoon
P3 pre nerf
tidal kindle
how many pulls before the first dmg intake nerf did u do
When was that
peak lagoon
Was fucked up
fallow leaf
modest condor
Personally i didnt find Tindral to be "THAT HARD" but opinions differ, for us mo...
i mean if we ignore pullcount and instead look at total time in combat tindral is still closer to an endboss than a penultimate boss
clever belfry
When was that
week 3?
peak lagoon
I remember after the nerf
Felt like we took no dmg
Killed the boss in like 20 pulls
peak lagoon
Falling star change was humongous
clever belfry
but yeah 4 debuffs with 3s was dumb
sick viper
shit boss
peak lagoon
Going from 800-900k hit to 500-600k
clever belfry
dunno like 130
peak lagoon
Evil aug player
tidal kindle
Yah we got thre on the 6th and had like 70 pulls before the next round of nerf
clever belfry
later bosses with high pullcount will just drag ur rank down
clever belfry
ye we saw p2 seeds a handful of times with 3s
then those got nerfed and we had a 4% i think?
then big nerf and kloenk
peak lagoon
Doing 3s seeds correctly felt so satisfying tho
peak lagoon
It's fcked up
clever belfry
i straight up dont think more than 50 guilsd
wouldve ever killed
if they didnt nerf that
peak lagoon
But it was playable depending on comp
tidal kindle
My issue with tindral from my guild pov is
peak lagoon
The dmg the fight did
clever belfry
like people can drag on about skyline 1k pulls haha noobers w/e
tidal kindle
We didn't wipe to the shit most guilds wiped to...
peak lagoon
Was more fucked up
clever belfry
but skylines players are better than wr130 3 day players
tidal kindle
Yah......
clever belfry
yeah u just fucking perished
peak lagoon
Bro just heal through roots dispells and moonfire hitting you for 800k while you have to do natty roots
Bozo
clever belfry
man
peak lagoon
Had to insta dispell too
clever belfry
imagine 20% rally there...
peak lagoon
It was funny
modest condor
but skylines players are better than wr130 3 day players
my guild could have spent 10k wipes and never made it to p3 in the state they killed it in
clever belfry
bro idfk what they did
i was busy doing dispell shit
i took star fragments on purpose to precook my renewing blaze
so id insta heal the dispells
xdd
peak lagoon
Tindral funny bird man
Balancing is so fcking hard to do tho
While I might say tindral seed changes Lobotomized the boss others can now just barely do the boss
Some might be happy they finally can kill it
And some are just frustrated that they'll never be able to try the hard version ever
So joever
clever belfry
While I might say tindral seed changes Lobotomized the boss others can now just ...
no u cant say that
that is a bad take
shut the fuck up
seed nerf was needed
peak lagoon
Meh
clever belfry
the lobotomization happened with 3 bombs and now 3 disps
3s seeds is NOT a playable boss for the vast majority of the top100 guilds
sick viper
bro's sweat gettin to his brain
bitter palm
And some are just frustrated that they'll never be able to try the hard version ...
time to raid in a faster guild then
clever belfry
its just NOT okay
bitter palm
get to tindral week 1 and do the boss
quiet geyser
I think its fair to say a seed nerf was warranted, but the 1 they did made it trivial.
bitter palm
that seed nerf was good
peak lagoon
Shouldve upped the time to soak seeds
bitter palm
premove not allowed!
quiet geyser
Exaclty. Or just had less seeds
peak lagoon
Instead they deleted the mechanic and made it easier than heroic
bitter palm
need to react and run around!
edgy widget
the seed nerf was good, honestly fight prob should have been that way from the start
bitter palm
def should imo
edgy widget
especially after they went on and on about removing instant raid wipes
peak lagoon
I think it's braindead in the current form should've just given us 7 seconds or something smh
sick viper
I think its fair to say a seed nerf was warranted, but the 1 they did made it tr...
you're arguing for shit boss design if u think the nerfs made it trivial
bitter palm
I think it's braindead in the current form should've just given us 7 seconds or ...
it isnt
for the people progging it
atm
and thats how they do tuning/nerfs
peak lagoon
People progging it atm probably play on auto pilot or are new to the game
quiet geyser
you're arguing for shit boss design if u think the nerfs made it trivial
Shit boss design or not, they just removed the mythic mechanic and as yenny mentioned kinda makes it easier than heroic version lol.
I agreed a seed nerf was needed, wasnt a fan of the way they did it
peak lagoon
They either improve or nothing will save them
sick viper
bro how long has it been since youve done heroic
you do not know wtf youre talking about
quiet geyser
How so. @sick viper
peak lagoon
Didn't get it until the Lego droprate fixs
Months after prog
Sajge
God warrior felt so fcking depressing compared to 1st and 2nd tier this expac
Until lego
bitter palm
arms felt depressing on start of every single tier this expac
and then just scaled
with aura buffs
sick viper
How so. <@1026329105756586005>
you're saying a version of the boss with less mechanics and less dmg output is harder than mythic
peak lagoon
I fcking love aura buff scaling
bitter palm
same
clever belfry
the seed nerf was good, honestly fight prob should have been that way from the s...
no man everyone should get to experience 3s p3 seeds!!!
peak lagoon
Requires more brain than mythic seeds
bitter palm
except now and 1 week in 10.0.7
clever belfry
it truely seemed engaging to just wipe when firebeam/seed rng was bad on first ones!
quiet geyser
you're saying a version of the boss with less mechanics and less dmg output is h...
You also couldn't die from it anymore cuz you could only soak 1 lol. Theres still an argument there
peak lagoon
Thats for surw
clever belfry
heroic seeds are super easy if people participate
unfortunately
people in heroic raids do not do that
sick viper
and stay close to boss
modest condor
wait heroic has seeds?
bitter palm
ye i dont participate
peak lagoon
3s seeds p2 was fine and very consistent if you had warriors back up and placement assigned and called if a side had disgusting spawns ngl
quiet geyser
heroic seeds are super easy if people participate
Exact sentence can be said for mythic seeds after the big nerf lol.
bitter palm
cant lose uptime in tom cs overlap