fury

[barren dagger]

because i know CE is harder

[edgy widget]

uhhh, idk if its a direct reflection of skill - the two are very different

CE is mostly an expression of time, but also requires a lot more people working in concert, so it's not just your "skill" being measured

[final birch]

ce is definitely not harder

than title

[edgy widget]

I would say title is probably harder in most respects, if only because it's available to a lot less people - it's inherently more competitive

[barren dagger]

i can assume the hard part of title is having a consistent pool of players to play with

because you need an absurd amount of free time to pug your way to title?

[final birch]

title as meta spec is completely different game vs title as off meta + pug but generally ce is 20 people vs m+ is 5 people so your role is greater

well generally this

if you have a team

you can get title playing only on weekends for few hours

[edgy widget]

by title I assume we're talking about the top 0.1%; that's inherently more competitive because it is a limited pool of players - also the meta v non-meta stuff is a factor

[barren dagger]

yeah title is 0.1%

[edgy widget]

CE isn't limited by anything other than "did you finish before the next season"

[barren dagger]

what is the % of players getting CE most tiers?

[final birch]

I found a guild

[edgy widget]

idk, but probably a whole lot more (for one thing, it's done in groups of 20, and for another its available throughout the season, not just to the highest players by the end of it)

[final birch]

that's on 1/9m

they're 5k

and ce will be around 1500 guilds

[unreal onyx]

dataforazeroth says ~2%

[final birch]

that's their goal

[edgy widget]

This particular tier, there are a lot less CE guilds though, just because the last two bosses are way harder than the preceding ones; the difficulty curve is wrecked

[manic gulch]

what % would clear mythic fyrakk without a single nerf applied to him

[manic gulch]

[quartz pumice]

How much am i trolling?

[bitter palm]

not at all

[final birch]

isnt that why they just nerfed the last 2 bosses

[quartz pumice]

Great

[barren dagger]

isn't it literally 3 guilds?

[quartz pumice]

Thanks.

[final birch]

to meet the quota

[unreal onyx]

2.26% for sark, 2.30% for rasz

[bitter palm]

keep going!

[final birch]

of 1500 guilds

[edgy widget]

I don't think it was to "meet a quota" but if that was their idea, it came far too late; considering the tier ends in 2 more weeks

[unreal onyx]

if a guild struggled on tindral until now they will definetly not get CE by the end of the tier

[final birch]

yeah 3 weeks for 700-800 guilds killed

[final birch]

yes

definitely not

[bitter palm]

do a switch spec to arms move

[final birch]

they might see p2 of fyrakk

[bitter palm]

[final birch]

if they're pretty far into tindral

[barren dagger]

they must have recognized they really fucked up the tuning and had to give usual CE guilds a chance

that's what i'm thinking

[manic gulch]

what you mean recognized

it was intentional

[bitter palm]

if u are on tindral rn there is no way to get ce

u need to hit p3 this week to have a high chance imo

[manic gulch]

they were turing the raid in real time to extend world first run

[final birch]

p3 of tindral?

then u have 2 weeks for full fyrak

no shot

[barren dagger]

they for sure didnt want only 700 guilds to kill fyrrakk

[final birch]

there is absolutely no way

[bitter palm]

fyrakk

[barren dagger]

thats dumb

[bitter palm]

p3

[final birch]

ah

I mean

if a guild entered p2 this week or last week

[manic gulch]

idk

[final birch]

they can still get ce with new nerfs

very very late ce but still can

[edgy widget]

possible yeah

[final birch]

p3 is pretty free

[manic gulch]

we are talking about the same people that design content around the assumption that people will use addons to tell them how to clear the said content

[edgy widget]

it's easier, but Fyrakk is not free

[manic gulch]

and they started hiding information from the addons too

to increase difficulty

[final birch]

let me rephrase

p3 is easiest out of all 3 phases but

[edgy widget]

especially for a guild just now getting into P2, they still have a lot of mechanics to learn

[final birch]

individual mistakes cost more

[unreal onyx]

fyrakk p2 is the hardest phase imo

[final birch]

so if you have consistent p1/p2

[edgy widget]

plus the fact that you only get to practice P3 if you're getting through P1 and 2, which a lot of guilds still have trouble with

[manic gulch]

that's also what i read

[final birch]

p3 should not be an issue

[unreal onyx]

p3 is basically just bring out swirls and drop seeds

[manic gulch]

and also in the forums they said the fyrakk nerfs were not big

[final birch]

thats why they nerfed the blazes and adds, helps in p1 and p2

[manic gulch]

tindral got hit hard tho

from what i understood

[final birch]

for more consistent pulls

to see p3

[summer quail]

blaze nerf is decent

[final birch]

add nerf is also big

[edgy widget]

yes, but there are still a lot of things that brick you - hence not free

[unreal onyx]

the nerfs before this resets tindral nerfs were huge

[bitter palm]

if u are consistent in p1/p2

[final birch]

definitely

[edgy widget]

they're really not; they're nice though for sure

[bitter palm]

the boss is dead

very quickly

[slim coral]

I have a feeling

Raz is still going to be a pain

unless they nerf the amount of cc required

[bitter palm]

i hope they just gut her

and all bosses

[unreal onyx]

rasz huge wings and sark visibility again

[manic gulch]

isn't raz the hardest mythic boss of the expac ?

[edgy widget]

the cages not being infinite change is good, but depending on who gets stuck in cages, 12s might brick your pull anyway

blaze change is great for squishier classes (doesn't really matter for War that much), but people still gonna die to it

Add change is great, but weak healing groups (like lacking monks) are still going to struggle a bit

[bitter palm]

so i can farm raid and play m+

[manic gulch]

or is fyrakk harder

didn't get to fight raz sincei started in s2

[bitter palm]

tindral prenerf id say

[fleet sorrel]

They already did nerf cc requirement on raz

[unreal onyx]

can't wait to "prog" zskarn again

[clever belfry]

shits gonna be "rough" for one week and be free after

dont worry

they dont want u progging a boss with 2 week breaks in between

thats just ass

[manic gulch]

oh

so they gonna nerf them more ?

or is the ilvl boost big

[dire badge]

They aren’t doing raid affixes again are they?

[manic gulch]

no

[unreal onyx]

good

fated was dogshit

sorry

[edgy widget]

that's pretty much exactly why they're not doing affixes again, yeah

[slim coral]

yeah I remember Fated Jailor

the push timings were so fucked

[manic gulch]

they said the feedback they got about fated raid affixes was negative

so they are not doing it

[unreal onyx]

imagine motes on tindral

-4FPS gaming

[slim coral]

I remember anduin being fucked too

[edgy widget]

I mean I'd like to think they'd have come up with new affixes instead of reusing the old ones

[slim coral]

cause of push timings

[manic gulch]

i think they did something on tindral

[dire badge]

most of the affixes were bad but that’s gotta be more fun that just scaled up raid

[manic gulch]

the first few months

[edgy widget]

I think affixes were a good idea, the SL ones were just overbearing - the affixes mattered more than most of the raid mechanics

[manic gulch]

the roots would drop my fps alot

[dire badge]

exactly

[manic gulch]

but they don't do it anymore

maybe they tuned the graphics or something to be less laggy

idk

[unreal onyx]

love not being able to parse any week of fated except the week with motes on a boss

[slim coral]

blizz just doesnt know how to keep making good ones

[dire badge]

hold for motes so boss dies

[slim coral]

all they have to do is give some good kiss affixs

[manic gulch]

its both hilarious and sad that they do not remove the cringe affixes from m+

that gatekeep certain classes

[unreal onyx]

s2 fury would be bad for motes anyway no?

roar doesn't re-apply on new motes

[slim coral]

I just want sanguine gone

[dire badge]

fury players problems

[slim coral]

it's truly a miserable affix

[unreal onyx]

and rav only ticks like 5 times

+5t cap

[manic gulch]

sanguine, the chasing ghosts, the healing ghosts, the cc ghosts and bolstering

remove them

[unreal onyx]

remove all ghosts

[manic gulch]

yes

fuck ghosts

[unreal onyx]

they have no business in my dungeon

[manic gulch]

send them back to sl

[strong prawn]

SLAYER

[slim coral]

yes?

[manic gulch]

m+ is already becoming harder with each level because of the % increase in hp and dmg

[unreal onyx]

the only ghost I allow is the one from my accursed keepsake

[manic gulch]

why do they have to add such affixes too

plus the huge inbalance between specs

right now tank dh makes any key feel -3 levels of what it is

so smooth

[edgy widget]

I think it's kind of the same logic as adding group buffs to ensure X class gets taken

which makes a certain amount of sense, but doesn't always work out very well for everyone on an individual level

[manic gulch]

sad warrior noises

[covert blaze]

the philosophy is fine but their execution is piss-poor

[slim coral]

I think in keys tho it's kinda cringe

that makes sense in raid for sure

[unreal onyx]

remove aura buffs in groups from 2-5

[edgy widget]

yeah, there's too much disparity in small group content

[manic gulch]

require each group to have at least one warrior in m+

otherwise you can't start the key

[slim coral]

yes lots of stuff required for certain keys

[edgy widget]

plus those buffs are also a factor, and other more specific things like grips, skips, etc

[slim coral]

I also hope they get rid of 8 min boss fights

but I understand they dont tune for the 1 percent

so it probably wont happen

for keys

[edgy widget]

I really wish they'd add back the buff scrolls - lesser version of shout/etc

[manic gulch]

i wish the difference between the worst spec and the best spec would be within the 10% range at max

which means all specs would be viable

[barren dagger]

i think they wish this too

but in practice its hard to do

[unreal onyx]

hard to balance abilities especially when they can interact with others

surely blizz intended uhdk to be that insane in ST burst in S2

[edgy widget]

there's also interactions (external buffs), timing considerations, shifting targets, etc

[manic gulch]

externals like pi its their fault

they dig themselves into that hole

[edgy widget]

even if you get a sim stack into a fairly balanced state, that doesn't translate into many real fights

[edgy widget]

I agree

[unreal onyx]

remove pi and delete aug

[manic gulch]

yes

[unreal onyx]

ez

[manic gulch]

exactly

what exactly were they thinking with aug

[edgy widget]

they don't even need to fully delete/remove anything, but they could retool the stuff

[manic gulch]

external buffs - the spec

[summer quail]

they would have to homogenize specs for the perfect balance and that makes it boring

[edgy widget]

yeah, that's true

[unreal onyx]

I like the idea of a support class but the way it is now, it's either very good or not worth bringing

[edgy widget]

tbf you can say that about pretty much anything wrt balance 😆

[summer quail]

flip augy around, make it so they buff a little but do majority of their own damage. that way it's still the "support" spec

[unreal onyx]

yea but aug is the extreme case, as they dont really have their own viable dmg

[edgy widget]

or just fix their fuckin log hooks and stop using things that can't hook properly

[barren dagger]

tfw a key i need io for is listed as btm but fury is meta

[edgy widget]

but that's all easier said than done

[summer quail]

that too, would really like details to be fixed as well but the way blizz implemented aug kinda screws that over

[unreal onyx]

with how fights and classes are designed nowadays and how "balanced" the game was in vanilla

I am surprised the dps disparity in vanilla is that big

[manic gulch]

vanilla was a hot mess

from a balance perspective

actually

[barren dagger]

its fine it was 20 years ago

[manic gulch]

the whole game was a mess and unfinished

[barren dagger]

it also made it very fun in that aspect

[unreal onyx]

yea but it was less abilities and basically target dummy fights

how can you make it that imbalanced in the first place

[edgy widget]

I would like it too, but tbh I can't really give Blizz the L there - they shouldn't have to design around addons

[manic gulch]

yeah it was definitely fun and original back then

[twilit finch]

blizz intentionally withheld hooks from details to keep the playstyle of aug 'buffing your buds to do more dmg' mentality int he game

[barren dagger]

because it had a bunch of mistakes

[manic gulch]

which is why people didn't mind

[manic gulch]

but blizz does that on their own

[twilit finch]

blizz 100% choosing to keep details in the dark

[edgy widget]

I'm sayin, "we shouldn't make this because it will break details" shouldn't be a design consideration

[summer quail]

i am aware, i think that decision sucks ass but what can you do

[edgy widget]

though I agree, I would like it if they would fix it so that details works properly again

[clever belfry]

wont be fixed until wawi earliest 😔

[manic gulch]

how would proper logs change that ?

[unreal onyx]

blizz devs don't even know what addons are, they play the game vanilla, the way it is intended to be played

[edgy widget]

and then broken again for all the new stuff they're adding 🙃

[manic gulch]

yeah and private auras manifested on their own by the game

[young swan]

wawi

[twilit finch]

it wouldnt, logs are being provided the hooks, details developers arent getting that info

[young swan]

thats a good one

[unreal onyx]

we saying wawi now?

[clever belfry]

surely the engineers have thought of a proper pipeline to actually add it in design!

[unreal onyx]

I thought tww was the norm

[oblique trail]

twawi

[manic gulch]

uwu

wuw

[clever belfry]

im not saying The Wind Waker

[indigo quarry]

wawi

[clever belfry]

cause that game is good, wow isnt

[summer quail]

fixed for season 1 TWW then instabreaks whenever a hero spec gets reworked. mark my words, it's gonna happen

[manic gulch]

i wonder if they are planning to do anything about healers and tanks

[clever belfry]

or they just redesign aug frfr (nc)

[indigo quarry]

delete*

[summer quail]

they should but blizz is really stubborn

[manic gulch]

i also wonder from where they are getting their "player feedback"

definitely not from the people that play the game

since every decision based on "player feedback" is always questionable and unreasonable

[clever belfry]

what feedback are u talking about then

[manic gulch]

the one they quote when they do spec changes

the most recent one was the healer evoker spec "buffs"

"healer evoker struggles because of the lack of range, so we will not do anything about that and instead just increase the healing"

[edgy widget]

I mean Blizz takes feedback from a ton of different avenues, far more than just people who sit around talking in discords all day

we are, in every respect, a fairly small minority of the total playerbase

[quiet geyser]

My favorite was during Season 2 when literally every single fury warrior was giving feedback we needed more ST damage, and blizz turned around and buffed AoE instead through buffing WW buff and rav

[snow flower]

And to back that up, the people who actually direct feedback to Blizzard and their own channels specifically will absolutely get collected as feedback, while third party Discords, Reddits, and forums, may not.

[edgy widget]

you're presuming Blizz even wanted Fury to do competitive ST though
hypothetically speaking, if it does competitive ST and also more AoE, is that balanced?

(this is just a hypothetical, I know their balance isn't the greatest in the first place)

[manic gulch]

yes because fury's whole deal is to smack things

if he can't smack properly

[edgy widget]

they read a lot more discord and reddit than you'd think; 3rd party forums maybe not so much anymore (I don't know of any real big ones at this point)

[manic gulch]

there is a problem

[edgy widget]

isn't basically every DPS' whole deal to smack things?

[royal oxide]

Some are to shoot

[edgy widget]

smacking from a distance!

BM hunters smack by proxy

[quiet geyser]

No, I'm not asking fury to be OP at everything.. but in this scenario, you already replied for me haha fury was just simply down bad, it definitely needed some help in the ST department

[edgy widget]

Yeah I know, I'm not disagreeing with you - I think we can all agree that balance can always be better. I'm just saying that there is some logic to not mkaing the better AoE spec also better ST without some kind of detractor

[snow flower]

Oh no, I get it. My day job is that exact kind of community work for a different big megacorp using most of the same tools. The first party channels absolutely get more attention and have better collection, while outside channels are usually not as consistent due to different ownerships and legal limitations and yadda yadda

[clever belfry]

tbf the raid tier was largely over at this point

that change was clearly aimed at keys

where it did help a reasonable amount

[edgy widget]

true

[lavish beacon]

Xan blue

[edgy widget]

though I wouldn't say the raid tier was over, it was more M+ balancing

[clever belfry]

and our ST in key spec compared to other key specs was really really good in s2

[edgy widget]

that's another issue, is blizz trying to balance for half a dozen different facets of the game

which is just dramatically more complicated than individually balancing for one and one alone

[quiet geyser]

I would normally agree if that tier wasn't completely broken by meta. Could have tripled the buff and it wouldnt have changed anything haha

[clever belfry]

what people tend to forget is warrior had the highest amount of title bearers outside of the "big 3"

[young swan]

[clever belfry]

it was very far from bad in s2, even post .5 (after mage got nerfed x3 ofc)

[manic gulch]

because of the class fantasy

[young swan]

but that doesnt fit the narrative! we arent meta!

[clever belfry]

those certainly had to be brought down more though

[manic gulch]

people will play warrior and make it work somewhat no matter what

and blizz knows that

[clever belfry]

i think warrior fit the way u played the keys rather badly, it worked in semi high end pugs (which usually tend to be more zugzug melee cleave)

[edgy widget]

I mean to a point maybe, it is a very popular class, but the fact of the matter is that it isn't hurting in representation

this season as well, Warrior still has a very healthy playerbase, even within the very high keys there are more Warriors than you'd think based on communal narrative

[clever belfry]

battle shout 😎

[quiet geyser]

I mean with the new talent trees, in an ideal world every spec should be able to perform well in both AoE and ST (mind you, fury may do both at the same time better than most specs), isnt that kinda the whole point of different talent builds? I understand some specs will still have their niche, ie. Most casters in uncapped AoE, arms vs 2 targets, etc.

[edgy widget]

Rallying Cry 🙃

[clever belfry]

i feel like it should kinda be the opposite

[oblique trail]

Hmmmmaybe make Rally double effect in 5 man groups

[clever belfry]

these talent trees should offer the possibility to specialize

[manic gulch]

i don't mind if we have to choose between st or aoe through talents

but if the only thing we bring in the table is dmg

we should be able to do both and lots of it

[edgy widget]

I think you need a combination TBH

[clever belfry]

to be good in keys you need a combo correct

cause some classes will inherently offer that

[manic gulch]

paladin does more aoe than fury while also bringing a huge list of utilities on the table for example

[clever belfry]

(ignite mage, perish)

[eternal sundial]

I specialize in griefing damage beyond 5 targets (wrong spec selected)

[manic gulch]

and while fury does more st than paladin, the paladin is still better because of the utilities he brings

[clever belfry]

i specialize in perishing to unavoidable dmg (wrong spec selected)

[slim coral]

Ok I have a rough drafted for the forum post in terms of asking them to replace spear may I post the rough draft here for feedback?

[quiet geyser]

Hard disagree. I feel every spec should be able to perform well to a degree everywhere, outside of some specific niches.

[eternal sundial]

Psychic link

[edgy widget]

the point about homogenization was brought up earlier - yeah you could set it up so every spec could choose to specialize in ST, AoE, or some combination

• and that's great for people who really wanna specialize in their favorite class/spec
• but that's not so great for the overall health of the game where everyone does everything more or less equally

[manic gulch]

but that's not so great for the overall health of the game where everyone does everything more or less equally
isn't this the case already with fotm

[clever belfry]

and why have talent trees then?

if you can do all anyway

[manic gulch]

the majority will always reroll to the best spec

[edgy widget]

as much as it is annoying on an individual level, the game is overall healhier for the majority when classes/specs have specialities... the downside of that is that, inevitably, some of those specialities just aren't going to be very good or practical at certain points

[clever belfry]

whats the point in shuffling 5 points to do 6% less aoe and 4% more st

[quiet geyser]

To have variety in playstyles. I actually feel fury tree lacks diversity since ST to AoE is always a 2 talent difference.

[robust widget]

is this a late april fools or something

[young swan]

[edgy widget]

Yeah, we're playing the long game

[clever belfry]

and you said hard disagree to me saying you could use the trees as a vehicle to specialize?

???

did you mayhaps miss my point?

[quiet geyser]

My point was having the new talent trees this exp. Should have made all specs be able to perform in different scenarios. You're basically saying specs should be more niche based

Which i disagree with

[clever belfry]

i did not say this?

[eternal sundial]

So make everyone the same

[clever belfry]

at all?

i very clearly said i want you to be able to choose more discretely between aoe and st

a spec doing 98% of its ST potential in aoe spec (fury) is lazy design

[quiet geyser]

And i agreeed with that lol

[clever belfry]

so you missed my point, good.

[quiet geyser]

^^

[manic gulch]

they need to remove the cap from ww

so fury can reach his full potential

1 million dps per trash pull

[quiet geyser]

Referring to S2 fury though, which was the original conversation, our ST was so abysmal it, definitely needed some changes. Its been said many times, at the end of the day Boss damage is the most important thing for raids 99% of the time, and doing very little of it doesn't feel good lol. And then us having doo-doo ST damage, but niching in AoE however other classes still do that niche better than us

Just feels bad

[manic gulch]

one question about s2

what was the impact of the lack of stats because of the low ilvl ?

for example in s4 could the s2 tier be way better just from having way more stats because of the higher ilvl ?

[restive peak]

No

S4 fury is 1 of the weakest ST currently at top sims

Having said that arms is GIGA busted compared to everything else too, so we'll see, but if fury ST remains untouched it will be mediocre

[strong tusk]

You have a list of the sims ?

[restive peak]

I have ours and my guildys have linked theirs, all somewhere between 402-410ish it seems

Arms is 441, for reference

[indigo quarry]

Arms isnt that busted

Fury just down bad

[final birch]

deva sims same or more

[indigo quarry]

some other spec are doing good numbers too

[final birch]

for example

than arms

[restive peak]

No arms is busted compared to a lot of the other specs

Either arms/dev are busted, or most classes are simming low

[manic gulch]

so what you're telling us is that arms will be nerfed

[restive peak]

I find it hard to believe they undershot all but 2-3

[final birch]

I havent seen all specs

[manic gulch]

because fun detected for warriors

[restive peak]

I don't know but I'd say it's likely, and being busted isn't fun

[final birch]

but I've seen arms/dev and like 1 or 2 more that were up there

but arms is definitely looking VERY strong in raid

[restive peak]

You don't want to be giga S tier

[final birch]

and pretty decent in m+

[restive peak]

Look at havoc this tier

Started so broken and now I haven't seen 1 in like 2 months besides our 1 raid DH

[final birch]

u mean in raid or m+?

Because it does make sense about m+

as keys progressed

their frontloadedness wasnt destroying the packs anymore

and they cant survive for shit without ppal babysitting them

[restive peak]

They also got nerfed like 5 times in a row

If they had never been nerfed, they'd be in

[strong tusk]

I see a ret nerf too coming

[final birch]

I do think they still would fall off honestly

[summer quail]

I don't

[final birch]

because they really cant survive the keys without ppal

and it's vdh>>>ppal

[restive peak]

People always say that, but every tier a squishy DPS has been noticably #1 it's been in the highest keys, you find a way to funnel it to keep it alive for the throughput

[final birch]

boomie is only squishy spec in top keys

but it does have bear form

[royal oxide]

Isn't Shadow kinda squish?

[final birch]

no

sp is very tanky

[restive peak]

There have been tiers with squishy things as the upper meta many times, you bring the top DPS as long as utility is covered

[final birch]

it's just reactive

you can have 50% uptime on 20% dr + desperate prayer + pws + immunity (ish, the dr is big enough to call it that)

[indigo quarry]

That would be so unfair to nerf Arms after buffing the tier set

like if they cant pull proper numbers

maybe they should call first

[restive peak]

If tankiness mattered like you think it did, we'd be giga S tier right now

[royal oxide]

What specs have the highest sims currently?

[restive peak]

I mean this week and a bit of testing is for them to figure this shit out

[final birch]

I dont think it matters THAT much

I think if there is 1 squishy but giga spec u can play around it

[restive peak]

It doesn't matter at all unless you're made of paper

[final birch]

but there's a point where it's not worth

[restive peak]

Exactly, so DH would still be the preferred melee if it hadn't been giga S tier on release

[final birch]

it's better to bring different class

[bitter palm]

rogue

[lilac plinth]

How we look on s4 guys

[edgy widget]

tankiness certainly helps, and we've seen a lot of celebration of that for Fury, but yeah - it's not the end all, precisely because there are so many external ways to cover a bit of squishiness

[left perch]

i don't love the ST sims ngl

[restive peak]

^

[eternal sundial]

you get ravager + am back

[edgy widget]

fun to play, kinda weak balance atm

[hard widget]

I think the tankiness of fury will lose some value going into next season however, since the mechanics arent as punishing as they are in current season

For M+ at least

[edgy widget]

DELETED

[slim coral]

lol ok

[young swan]

[slim coral]

Was trying to get it traffic but ok

[edgy widget]

It was Xan, I saw him

[slim coral]

[barren dagger]

damn

[young swan]

[barren dagger]

we cant link shit in here?

poor guy did some research and made a post

[eternal sundial]

#promotion

i suppose

didnt see what it was tbf

[young swan]

posted on the shaman

[barren dagger]

it's about spear i think

[slim coral]

idk hwo to change it

[edgy widget]

actually idk who deleted it, log doesn't say... I'm blaming Xan

[young swan]

it wasnt me

i have no idea who did it

[hard widget]

French Xan strikes again

[young swan]

i figured it was him

[edgy widget]

it was Xan

[slim coral]

I go again

fuck it

https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/can-we-replace-spear-with-blood-of-the-enemy/1822977

[young swan]

NO FRENCH

[slim coral]

POst comments blow it up

ty

[hard widget]

So it gets deleted once, naturally u have to repost it then xd

[slim coral]

also how do I get the shaman shit off

[young swan]

did u know if french the country is feminine but the language is masculine

or something like that

maybe reversed

idk

[edgy widget]

I know which one you are 🇫🇷

[young swan]

french people are weird

[barren dagger]

it's correct

[eternal sundial]

ye ur a prime example

[young swan]

brother

[indigo quarry]

the real post should have been can we delete Parry from the game ?

[edgy widget]

I've got like 18 posts on that already T_T

[young swan]

big fan of the interview where morgan day said it gave texture to melee

[slim coral]

so true

[edgy widget]

[young swan]

spells should be able to miss

gives texture to projectiles

[indigo quarry]

where do i sign

[slim coral]

Boss parrying OF

pog

[restive peak]

Parry ultimate dogwater, was discussing this w @rotund ginkgo earlier

Garbage as fuck design when half the fights force us infront these days

[eternal sundial]

i was a big fan of the amount of parries council provides this tier

excellent gameplay

[restive peak]

Smolder frontal slam required we love parry

[indigo quarry]

getting parried by a Fae with no hands

[bitter palm]

add ranged parry

watch how fast ti gets removed

imagine

chaos bolt parried

mad?

[indigo quarry]

worst part about parry is how wide the angle of it is

[restive peak]

Would be fuckin hilarious if a bug happened 1 time and ranged got parried

The tears man

[manic gulch]

speak is considered an aoe attack like roar ?

[bitter palm]

spear is an aoe spell yes

[slim coral]

yeah

[bitter palm]

in sl it was massive

with mikanikos

40 sec or something

cd

[eternal sundial]

and it did giga dam

[manic gulch]

oh

[bitter palm]

good old days

[manic gulch]

i thought we only took it for the crit buff

in st

[eternal sundial]

in st yes

[slim coral]

you think that because spear sucks

[eternal sundial]

formerly spear just fucking slammed dam

[slim coral]

It was pretty good in SL in aoe

[dapper goblet]

remove spear

[bitter palm]

it was insane in sl

in aoe

10.1 when a lot of fury warriors swapped over

9.1*

i remember it was top dmg

in keys

it was nuts

[vital jewel]

day one of asking the moderators to demote xan and promote anda

[young swan]

so we're jsut being toxic

[vital jewel]

so we're just promoting unqualified individuals

L + canada

🇪🇺

[eternal sundial]

france**

cant have mods that are french

right @young swan

[vital jewel]

if we sniff out you speak a drop of french its straight to the gulag

[young swan]

[clever belfry]

🐱

[dapper goblet]

[modest condor]

next time my RL complains about my positioning i'll just tell him to bring it up with morgan day

[indigo quarry]

tell me you dont play melee without telling me you dont play melee

[manic gulch]

blizz definitely doesn't play melee

they play paladin and rogue that are semi ranged

meanwhile fury with two giant swords has to be right next to the boss to hit it

[dense elbow]

Swords in general got quite the reach, a lot longer than your fists, that is for sure.

Just git gud

[manic gulch]

knifes have a bigger reach

[dense elbow]

Sigh - rogues having the extendo range is the fantasy of them dodging and weaving in and out of range.

Same with catz

[manic gulch]

rogue is the better fury confirmed

[ashen socket]

NOOOOO FUCKING BS IT WENT DOWN 1 POINT BEFORE IT COUNTED

REEEEEEEE

[dense elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/noo-toy-story-buzz-lightyear-gif-14664723

[dense elbow]

Fury dont have the fantasy of dodging and weaving out of range. Fury is the up into your face, unrelenting slapping you with sharp and blunt objects non-stop.

You hit back, but Fury warrior just keeps slapping ignoring the dam... wait, that is arms?

[bitter palm]

arms is parrying ur attacks

blocking with his weapon

u cant even touch an arms warrior

[manic gulch]

fury just screams and the blood lust comes out and becomes bigger, faster and strong..wait, that is shaman ?

[dense elbow]

Enrage is indeed the shaman caster spell from warcraft

[manic gulch]

bloodthirst too

[dense elbow]

Fury warrior is just a selfbuffing shaman, confirmed?

[manic gulch]

were we shamans all along ?

but where are our totems

and our dispels

[dense elbow]

2handers... 1 in each hand...

[strong prawn]

it would be so cool, if fury gets juggernaut back

[young swan]

we have a better version of juggernaut

also legion jugg is kinda poopy dogshit when execute has a cd

[sullen dove]

wasnt exe something u also had to spend rage on

basically arms exe

[hallow sphinx]

When it was good yea @sullen dove

[sullen dove]

how tf do you reply to a wow forum

this website is so ass

[cold jolt]

does someone mind looking to see if im using cds properly pls

[sullen dove]

ogey

[slim coral]

alright

who is this

fess up

right now

[sullen dove]

treasure goblin

guy is definitely just a wow forums lurker

doubt hes in this disc

[left perch]

i like that u bully Xan a lil, it’s nice because usually he’s being exceptionally mean to me on twitter

[slim coral]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/korgath/lugobrious

he doesnt even play the game

......

[sullen dove]

ya i mean so what

[radiant plank]

cool and unique

[sullen dove]

thatll happen

lfr

[slim coral]

I mean it's weird to give a take on a class you never play but ok

[lyric panther]

Mythic Fyrakk, is the correct play when moving from Dreamrend #1 to send OF or hold it for TR? Been holding it for TR but feel like I'm underperforming in that phase

[sullen dove]

yea idk i just send it

i dont think it matters enough for roar to have 4 seconds of its dot under avatar

rather than potentially getting an extra odyns that phase holding for that long

[vital jewel]

someone has to keep him humble

[manic gulch]

what about calling everyone bad at a spec and saying your opinion is the only correct one only for the rest to find out your logs and expose that you consistently do greens and greys on the spec you called everyone bad since mop

because that happened a few days ago

[lyric panther]

alright cheers I'll try that

[sullen dove]

you also will inherently underperform p1 depending on what you do, as i think its semi common practice to hold second set of cds until intermission shield if you really need shield dmg

not sure whether or not you do that

i know i did for like.. hundreds of pulls

until most recent week when i decided we didnt need the extra help in intermission and i just started sending second cds on cd in p1

[lyric panther]

I've got another Fury in the raid and he seems to beat me by about ~20k on like 75% of p1 pulls, been going through our lorggs and wowanalyzer and all sorts trying to spot differences

[modest condor]

i would rather get buffed bloodbaths in that avatar than a roar

[sullen dove]

less that and i think you would just have less bloodbaths if you hold that odyns for like ~10 seconds

[white rampart]

anyone now if we are doing raid rotations again in season 4?

[sullen dove]

tho idk sometimes its variable whether i odyns right before he flies away or as soon as he lands

yeah there should be a rotation

[white rampart]

damn its such a lame system

which means it will probably be impossible for me to get my legendary axe

[modest condor]

why?

the raid doesnt disappear on the weeks it's not awakened

[sullen dove]

yea you still do amirdrassil nonawakened

if anything it will be easier

[white rampart]

oh i see

[sullen dove]

the only thing we dont know regarding that is if the legendary "drops" while its awakened does it drop at higher ilvl

and you dont have to use 2 bullions on it

idk how thatll work

but whatever not that big a deal i dont think

[manic gulch]

are dinars unlimited ?

or limited

so if you mess up you're screwed

[rotund ginkgo]

I got a fuckin blue log on kill, I suspect too many people padded adds REEE

We decimated them

[modest condor]

we dont know yet afaik

but it would be kinda weird to have a transmog shop with dinars and then make them limited

[rotund ginkgo]

These bitch din on my spear til I arr

[rotund ginkgo]

We also had no windfury

[sick viper]

i gray parse cuz no windfury

[modest condor]

same

would have been green if we did have one!!

[upbeat sentinel]

Anyone else having issues with the Whelks for the JC quest in Caverns?

I come out here and 80% of them are evade glitched

[cold jolt]

could anyone see if my cd usages are correct please

[sick viper]

sure I'll listen to your mixtape

[cold jolt]

hell yeah

[desert cloud]

What genre ?

[cold jolt]

i meant in wow 😭

gg

[dapper goblet]

[sick viper]

[thorny peak]

to weild and spicy orange i must make a ultra ovenmitt

[desert cloud]

i don’t like wow

[thorny peak]

cmon bro wow is fun don't be like that

[sick viper]

world of cuckcraft

[rigid stirrup]

APM simulator for m fyrakk is real

[compact knot]

this guy has cooked takes 90% of the time and is on every single forum page permanently

he spends more time on the forums than playing the game, he mainly pvps i believe

[restive peak]

We there for the p3 boomboom bruh parses ain’t real

[modest condor]

you know there are loads of bugs with apm on wcl right

like rampage counting 3 times per cast

i remember back in bfa shadowy apparitions counted as casts for spriests

was funny on zaqul

[rigid stirrup]

it wasn't meant to be a flex or anything just a light joke

but yeah

didn't know that thx

[edgy widget]

also hack & slash counting as a cast

[sudden tusk]

procs and enrage counting as apm its borked

i think prot warrior has the actual highest apm or some shit

[modest condor]

wrath and fury as well, but it's hidden inside raging blow casts

[slim coral]

Yeah I saw he had 700 forum post

[sick viper]

what a dork

[red berry]

i thougiht i was mentally illl

with three L's

[young swan]

dont worry im slowly defusing them

converting them to the true gospel

die spear die

(as a damage button)

[slim coral]

Yeah you responded to them pretty smart

I had a more vile approach so I didn’t comment

[covert blaze]

@rotund ginkgo got CE?

[edgy widget]

says the guy who wants Furious Slash back... why did we promote this person again?

[dapper goblet]

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

17 paragraphs 20% slam buff

htae xan

DO NOT TYPE

ON THE FORUMS

[young swan]

okay yeah that was half baked

[slim coral]

Someone’s gotta be the voice instead of being an echo chamber in the discord

[edgy widget]

Xan bout to start every forum post with "as a moderator in the Warrior community discord, Skyhold, ...."

[young swan]

what I really want is just an actual single target filler

[young swan]

LOL

thats something I absolutely wouldve done like

[slim coral]

What I want is spear gone I’ll take anything else

[young swan]

4 years ago

[slim coral]

ANYTHING

[modest condor]

im gonna start all my reddit posts with that but as a stormforged

[meager void]

it's the cool and unique result of eating a 3-day old burrito

[young swan]

[slim coral]

I mean can is arguing with someone who doesn’t even play the game

The most they’ve done is killed 2 bosses on lfr

[modest condor]

man i recently had an argument about tankiness with 2 people who thought darkness was a groupwide immunity for the duration

[slim coral]

Nice lol

[young swan]

aint no way

[modest condor]

only found out after like 5 back and forths

because it says "increased by 100% in group content" or something

so these people think "oh that means it's 100% chance to avoid damage"

[clever belfry]

math

[young swan]

[red berry]

what was furious slash again

[modest condor]

completely ignoring the fact that that would be WAY TOO FUCKING OP

frenzy but its own button

[clever belfry]

15% + 100% > 100% - > immune

[young swan]

frenzy but u had to press a different button and it wasnt tied to ur target

[red berry]

oooh

[heavy sparrow]

Furious slash was a filler off hand attack

If i remember correctly

[red berry]

honestly frenzy not being tied to a target would be better for AoE

[clever belfry]

who cares if its oh or mh

[edgy widget]

Yeah, FS evolved from Wild Strike, and Frenzy was the talent that buffed it

[heavy sparrow]

You would use it when bt and blow was on cd

[young swan]

it was a maintenance buff

[meager void]

math checks out.

[slim coral]

[young swan]

you would use it when u needed to

[heavy sparrow]

Whirlwind effectively took it's place as a filler i think

[edgy widget]

it was just a ST filler, while WW was the AoE filler; ultimately it was easier just to merge the two together and use WW for everything

and Frenzy was changed to stack off BT instead of FS/WW, and then eventually Rampage

[heavy sparrow]

Which in my opinion is better because you wanna press WW for aoe anyway, and for st you rarely press it

[clever belfry]

in bfa you could spec into it right

only legion had it baseline

as in, into frenzy, adding a button

[modest condor]

frenzy didnt exist in bfa

[clever belfry]

Furious slash giving u fenzy stacks waowi

[edgy widget]

for a time, yes, but it was next to Inner Rage and Sudden Death, so you didn't really use it much

[modest condor]

oh yeah

furious slash didnt exist baseline in bfa

you just talented into it and it was the whirlwind replacement that also increased your haste

[edgy widget]

Only time I remember using it was EP

[clever belfry]

Yy that talent was ass

[heavy sparrow]

Whirl replaced it as the only filler in BFA i think

[clever belfry]

It was technically good pure st

But like minor af

[modest condor]

i used it on zul because my rl didnt want me pressing whirlwind

[edgy widget]

Yes - Whirl replaced FS as the baseline filler, FS became a talent instead

[red berry]

i just want the. talent that gives you 10% damage and 5% haste back and increasess rampage cost back

[modest condor]

and for a little bit in nyalotha i had furious slash + frothing berserker sim best

[red berry]

granted that would probably be even stronger now beacuse of rage being easy to build

[heavy sparrow]

Gib 5 stacks of cleaver to meh

[red berry]

honestly i do think that would make stuff feel a little better

[clever belfry]

but like
just play arms in nya

[modest condor]

no

[warm crag]

perish in flames

[heavy sparrow]

Is it just me, or rampage tend to be on odd number while generator on even with meat cleaver ?

So what usually happens is that i get rampage, generator, rampage, generator, and this sometimes causes some rage overcapping in aoe.

Any way to prevent this?

[clever belfry]

spongie u have yet to play arms this tier

curious

[edgy widget]

you cannot really prevent overcapping as Fury, it's just its nature

[warm crag]

dogshit spec

[covert blaze]

ur mom lmao gottem

[heavy sparrow]

But what if cleaver was 5 stacks instead of 4?

[sullen dove]

shouldnt.. matter

[clever belfry]

finally he accepted it

[warm crag]

cosmetic rage bar moment

[edgy widget]

it'd be better certainly, idk if it'd really matter at all though

[sullen dove]

would be a little more convenient sure but not required

[heavy sparrow]

I noticed that rampage tends to be on odd numbers, so generally the 1 and 3rd cleaver stack

[edgy widget]

but yeah, it's not the pause to WW that causes you to overcap, it's just the nature of Reck doubling rage gen

[heavy sparrow]

If it was 5 instead of 4, i think the general thing would be, rampage, generator, ramp, gen, and finally ramp

[modest condor]

without storm of swords it's actually sometimes better to refresh whirlwind with 1 stack left just because of that

[edgy widget]

and passive sources of rage generation that you don't "see" like autos and Frothing Zerker (especially rn with Anni)

[heavy sparrow]

Leaving you with time to press ww without overcapping

[clever belfry]

another s2 win

[edgy widget]

even without, but yeah - occasionally it is a good play

[clever belfry]

it's that easy

[edgy widget]

I mean that happens without SoS too, easier to do

[warm crag]

bring back 2 stacks of meat cleaver per ww !!!!

[modest condor]

just dont spec into meat cleaver

[clever belfry]

that's what silm is saying

[warm crag]

fuck !!!

[covert blaze]

hooooly based

[heavy sparrow]

What? No

I rather keep my 4

[red berry]

buff whirlwind

[clever belfry]

if this makes ww do dam again sure

[red berry]

lmao

[slim coral]

@young swan new comment for you bud

[modest condor]

actually wanted to put it in the aoe apl, i'll maybe have a look at that some time this week

[clever belfry]

i miss ww doing dam

[edgy widget]

I know, I agreed with him

[red berry]

ww actually isn't inconsequential but

i do miss it being bigger

[slim coral]

Spear is apparently Unique class utility

who knew

[heavy sparrow]

WW damage is not irrelevant

[clever belfry]

why just repost the same thing tho

[edgy widget]

WW never gonna be big again with Meat Cleaver existing, but I do like the mechanic

[young swan]

oh boy

[clever belfry]

it kinda is honestly.

esp w/o SoS

[modest condor]

without sos yeah it's kinda weak it's more about not delaying rampage than about whirlwind damage itself

with sos it actually does a lot of damage

but it has a cooldown sadge

[red berry]

yeah

[edgy widget]

still a far cry from legion days though

[red berry]

i do wish it had a shorter cooldown on SoS

or that it did more dawmage

damage, even

[heavy sparrow]

I think cd on whirl works better for arms

[edgy widget]

the cooldown on SoS is fine I think, it fits very smoothly; it just doesn't do enough damage to feel impactful, and it doesn't even gen rage without AoE talents

[sullen dove]

guys will want ww to do more dmg but hate mbg... i see how it is...

[modest condor]

ikr

[sullen dove]

s3/4 shadowlands mbg spam bis

[modest condor]

bring back fury mbg

[clever belfry]

i rewatched my guldan kill the other day

[red berry]

TRUE

[clever belfry]

blud was just pressing

[red berry]

i want mbg back

[clever belfry]

WW

[red berry]

i do think SoS's CD is fine its less that and more-- a part of it being bigger

[edgy widget]

Go back and look at... what's her name, the imp boss in Antorus

[red berry]

and you achieve that by either making it more aggressive or making it do more damage

[sullen dove]

agatha

[clever path]

Should i run mushrooms and stuff for AOE in DHT as Boomie?

[sullen dove]

yes

or no

probably

aoe good

[edgy widget]

na, portal keeper

[sullen dove]

but boomy discord prolly knows better

[edgy widget]

the one who summoned waves of imps

[bitter palm]

@young swan go cook that guy he is waffling nonsense

[warm crag]

i will rend you

[sullen dove]

it was.. agatha, the imp mother?

no?

[clever belfry]

Agatha is mage tower lol

[bitter palm]

lugobrious

[edgy widget]

Fury w/ WW belt fucked that fight so hard

[sullen dove]

or like an actual boss

[heavy sparrow]

Portal keeper

[sullen dove]

o in antorus

wack

[clever belfry]

u also played bloodbath in antorus tho, no?

[edgy widget]

Yeah, Agatha is the raid boss, I'm talking about Portal Keeper

[clever belfry]

That added to the carnage

[edgy widget]

with tier, yes

[heavy sparrow]

Odyn's fury actually dealt insane burst aoe

But honestly, i prefer how fury plays now

[edgy widget]

OF actually wasn't that strong, Warriors just had a ton of stacking damage mods

[clever belfry]

I remember doing that on botanist hc (perma 3 stack) and uhh that dreadlord in nh

[edgy widget]

especially the crit damage increase on the artifact

that thing was juiced

[heavy sparrow]

I think fury was one of the VERY few specs that actually felt better to play in bfa than in legion

But it was the exception

[clever belfry]

unrivaled strength 35% crit dam

100% crit BC

20% avatar

enrage

fair and good

[edgy widget]

BfA actually did iterate positively on Fury, it fixed a lot of problems with the spec

but there were definitely some losses in the process

[heavy sparrow]

Losing odyn's fury was feels bad

[warm crag]

top 10 dreadlords in nighthold

[edgy widget]

it wasn't the loss of OF, again it was those damage mods

and they pulled back on that pretty much game-wide

[young swan]

it would've felt worse if we kept it and then it felt like shit cause we didnt have 1 million multipliers any more

[clever belfry]

Anyone got the gif of BFA beta post gcd change

7 global fury setup

[edgy widget]

the GCD change would have been fine, blizz just half assed it

[red berry]

honestly

[modest condor]

charge on the gcd on fetid

[edgy widget]

if they'd made Reck throw out a free Rampage + Enrage, nobody would have complained about it being on the GCD

[hard widget]

Stretching upon BFA, Heart of Azeroth, The War Within, Problems with the World Soul? HEART COMING BACK CONFIRMED?!

[red berry]

i think my favorite version of fury warrior

[edgy widget]

Charge GCD was cursed, absolutely

[red berry]

is the one that focuses on stacking crit/crit damagei nteractions

[heavy sparrow]

OOF i remember pillar of ice on gcd, it was AWFUL

[red berry]

and i really miss there being more crit damage stuff

i think tat crit/crit damage from the DH tree would be so fun

that, even

[edgy widget]

beta testing new youtube titles? lmao

[young swan]

i still cant believe they got rid of bloodbath that did on use hit....

[edgy widget]

I loved that

I've been trying to get them to bring that back for ages

[red berry]

that would be nice

[edgy widget]

that and Fan of Longswords are like my top 2 Fury spell requests

[modest condor]

yes fan of longswords

hoyl i want that back

[heavy sparrow]

Wtf is fan on longswords?

[red berry]

what did fan of longswords do again

its been a bit

[edgy widget]

when you cast Rampage, it casts WW

[hard widget]

Say something with a lot of caps so i can screen it for the thumbnail! 😂

[heavy sparrow]

Oh

[red berry]

OOH

yes

[heavy sparrow]

Yea that's great

[red berry]

yes please

[edgy widget]

FAN OF LONGSWORDS NEEDS TO COME BACK IN TWW

[sullen dove]

the torghast power?

[edgy widget]

happy?

[hard widget]

Hahaha

[heavy sparrow]

Yea it's a torghast power

Felt very smooth

[clever belfry]

just bug abuse and take it outside

[red berry]

it would resolve a lot of the issues of the rotation, to be honmest

[clever belfry]

real

[red berry]

when uhh

well fuck it just makes spamming rampage less clunky

[edgy widget]

just be a lock/mage

[red berry]

fan of longswords would be perfect for S2 tier tbh

[heavy sparrow]

I actually prefer fury st rotation because of how ww feels, it's not that it's bad, but ww is not exactly something i like to press that much

[clever belfry]

hunter also works afaik

[edgy widget]

it would be a fantastic tier set bonus

[merry arch]

My pants

[clever belfry]

not that i would know such things

[modest condor]

fan of longswords with AM and SoS

[edgy widget]

it did early on, same as the lock bug

[silent burrow]

but you press ww in st

[heavy sparrow]

Very rarely

[red berry]

fan of longswords with SoS would be so busted for AoE

[heavy sparrow]

Oh wait, yea s3

[red berry]

as 'busted' as we could be, anyway

[heavy sparrow]

I haven't been playing for a while

[red berry]

it would be nice

[heavy sparrow]

Talent selection changed

[edgy widget]

make Fan of Longswords a War Within set bonus

[red berry]

please god

[merry arch]

Make me great again

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/K4iWq/2fb9915434.png

[red berry]

LMAO

[modest condor]

can you tell?

[clever belfry]

acquire aid

[modest condor]

no 🙂

[edgy widget]

gotta punch those numbers up, those are rookie numbers!

[clever belfry]

[sullen dove]

thats... everyone in the server

[heavy sparrow]

I don't think you're gonna find anyone who disliked that torghast power

[sullen dove]

and apparently 3 other results in some hidden channel we cant look at

[hallow sphinx]

:3

[clever belfry]

mraaow

[heavy sparrow]

What was the other ability you wanted to see back?

[clever belfry]

noob

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/K4iWB/272e342852.png

damn

[sullen dove]

damn

silm sees 2 more channels than i

[mossy fox]

damn

[sullen dove]

or

at least 1 more channel

[clever belfry]

aintnoway its in a memehold archive

[sullen dove]

with it in there twice

and some other channel above that

that only arch and above sees

[clever belfry]

its been a HOT MINUTE since one of those got archived

[sullen dove]

wack

make that shit public

[clever belfry]

u dont wanna te

[young swan]

weak

[modest condor]

you'll lose braincells if you see memehold

[young swan]

imagine not mentioning it 62,482 times

[sullen dove]

i already look at #fury

[young swan]

[clever belfry]

tbh this memehold ain't too bad

[heavy sparrow]

The real question is, why didn't they bring it back?

[modest condor]

http://puu.sh/K4iWY/9a63c82104.png

[young swan]

yeah u need help

[modest condor]

yeah im eternally online

[clever belfry]

are u gold in OW yet

[young swan]

no i stopped playing

[clever belfry]

gg

[young swan]

soulstone survivors main now

[sullen dove]

bro typing a thousand messages in some hidden channel of only yellow names

cwazy

bet he talkin all that shit

[hard widget]

@edgy widget

[modest condor]

yeah i especially call out you in there

[hard widget]

Lets go!

[sullen dove]

real

[silent burrow]

wow abusing your powers xan

[heavy sparrow]

As a talent though or a tier set?

[modest condor]

you need to really badly edit out "needs to"

[young swan]

u guys can click the reaction too

join in!

[silent burrow]

I'm in

[young swan]

dont cringe me

[hard widget]

Statement Archi?

[modest condor]

mods abusing power smh

[clever belfry]

give me a funny one

[hallow sphinx]

Tobirama mental enjoyer

[young swan]

man

[edgy widget]

thanks, I hate it

[hard widget]

😂

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/haircut-persona5-kamoshida-bad-gif-20303611

[hard widget]

I spend a whole 5 minutes on it man 😢

[tidal kindle]

There you go

[clever belfry]

cheat

[dire badge]

ok finally right on something

[elder maple]

yo dudes. i just had the most garbage day playing this game, since i looted the legendary yesterday on my warrior. legit the most unfun time i ever had grinding something in this game... but it is finaly done. So i guess i have to stop tanking on my warrior and learn either arms or fury properly. So i guess my 1st question is, which one do you play in m+ atm ?

[hard widget]

Both are very viable right now

[ruby tundra]

I play prot

[elder maple]

2nd question is, for fury and arms both, which enchants do you play on the weapon ? (again with mythic plus in mind)