fury

[eternal sundial]

Keybind lego

[slim coral]

it's on 8

well 7 now

[pulsar helm]

meh

[eternal sundial]

I dont have anything beyond 4 bound and bro goes to 7

[covert blaze]

@hallow sphinx banger wcm

stop clicking spells like a 80 year old

[slim coral]

I only did that a few times lol

[hallow sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/mies-dance-the-mies-crusader3455-big-dam-judge-gif-25983652

[covert blaze]

fury has like 3 spells

[unreal onyx]

Criminal (i go to 6)

[young swan]

that few should be 0

[covert blaze]

you have no excuse to be clicking on fury lmfao

[young swan]

also press axe more

stop holding cd's so much

[eternal sundial]

I have 5 and Q open rn on fury it looks criminially empty

[slim coral]

yeah I wasn't sure whether it was better to send cds before or after he goes into the fire

on the 2nd avatar

[eternal sundial]

Prep hello

?

[slim coral]

?

I did you doofus

I still can make my own concious choices

[eternal sundial]

It's week 40 bazillion of the tier

How are you not sure which CD timers to do

[covert blaze]

phillius is right

[unreal onyx]

I didn’t know my cd timers on my ce kill 2 days ago

But I also didn’t prep at all

[dense elbow]

This be da way

[covert blaze]

most people that got ce 2 days ago would say the same probably

[unreal onyx]

Now my 34 parse looks bad, but it is what it is

Rather have that than no ce

[eternal sundial]

34>nothing

[slim coral]

I've never done the fight

on mythic

[eternal sundial]

Everyone hasnt done it before they pull it

They do look up CD timers beforehand though

[slim coral]

yeah I looked but I'm not gonna stand in fire

on my first kill

when it's a reclear strat

that's just selfish

[hallow sphinx]

stand in the fire dps higher

[slim coral]

[eternal sundial]

It's the feedback im comfortable to give as i didnt end up watching a lot

[slim coral]

thanks bud

[sudden otter]

Ok I am normally an Arms andy but I am giving Fury a try for Tindral

Do we hold cds for roots? Or just rip everything on cd?

[young swan]

you hold for roots where theres no fliers

OF gets sent on every set of roots

pretty much on CD

[sudden otter]

Oh does it line up with roots every time?

[young swan]

would recommend giving lorrgs a browse for more in depth timings

[eternal sundial]

Cd+lego root 1
Ava roar the 055 thing
Fly next

That's the gist really, delay is a bit cringe but it works

[young swan]

functionally, yes

[sudden otter]

I am not a leggo haver, but thanks

Will keep that in mind

[eternal sundial]

Oh yea u need to do cringe opener if u of before roots 1 - charge of charge shenanigans

[hallow hull]

Any Mythic Smolderon gods in chat?

[sudden otter]

Ok yea that is what I was doing

[eternal sundial]

What do you need help with

[hallow hull]

I know my damage is awful on Smoldy. Atleast feels awful. So I see allot of Fury warriors just pump that boss. But im not allowed to pop cds and eat rings during CDs.

Is that such a huge thing?

[oblique trail]

It's only really once they do that, during 1st intermission

If you do or don't, wont make the biggest difference

[hallow hull]

Anyone wanna look at my logs and give me tips? I feel like I just aint getting something here.

[oblique trail]

Admittedly Fury can live it without external healing, which I had to prove to my RL before he allowed me to, but if your RL says no, then don't do it

[sudden otter]

Ok so on pull I am using charge OF then it will be up for 2nd roots?

Coz atm I am just using the free OF from pressing avatar on first roots

[oblique trail]

You don't Avatar first roots

[sudden otter]

and holding my first OF for 2nd roots

Ok so just avatar on pull then?

[oblique trail]

As Phil said, you just OF on pull, first roots, ava + roar + reck 2nd roots

no

The 055 thing he said is 2nd roots

[sudden otter]

That is confusing sorry

[oblique trail]

It can be

[sudden otter]

Using commas there makes me think you use them all at once?

[oblique trail]

ok

So

OF on pull
OF on 1st roots + Lego if you have
Reck + Ava + Roar on 2nd roots at 0:55
Fly 3rd roots

[eternal sundial]

You can pump without eating it though it's less i1 dam

[eternal sundial]

Or fly 1 and despair

[hallow hull]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yTvKfjRYH1aAZW2w#fight=22&type=damage-done

[oblique trail]

It mostly keeps this cadence through the fight

[sudden otter]

Ok I will try that thanks mate

First time Fury lol

[hallow hull]

This is the kill logs. I died nearly the end. But I want to know if I am using CDs right here.

[oblique trail]

I don't remember off the top what CD timings are exactly in P2 or P3 since it's a while ago now, but I'd just check lorrgs for those timings

Ideally on kills that fly as well

[oblique trail]

I did fly 1 for a while

Was very cool

[eternal sundial]

It's the funner set to fly

Just cringo for cds

[oblique trail]

I think 2nd is fun at the end

If you get beams in P3

Probably dont now after all the nerfs

[eternal sundial]

Yea the p2 fly 1 was boring

[eternal sundial]

I only did one P3 fly cuz it just died kinda dumb

Though good for dam

[edgy widget]

yeah, you don't fly a second time in group 2 with the nerfs unless your damage is really slow

potentially not even group 1 will fly twice in P3 with really strong dps

[eternal sundial]

We arent strong by any means and still skipped it

[edgy widget]

I mean it takes decently good st dps to skip g1

the average kills are still around 6:45ish

and I believe G1's second flight is at 6:22 or something

[eternal sundial]

We almost pushed p1 too but that's not actually beneficial

6:19 in the end

Just need rogues to pad less

[edgy widget]

ok that's odd, WCL wasn't showing kill times correctly, apparently some people killed it in 5:18?

that's fuckin wild

[eternal sundial]

Boss melts

[young swan]

[eternal sundial]

You also have a lot more space in P3 with the dispells

Very cool

[edgy widget]

oh yeah the fight is way easier

still that's more than a minute faster than the average

[oblique trail]

First of all, enrage on pull before you're ripping your Spear and Avatar, second of all remove the macro where you combine Reck + Avatar since you often don't use them together unless it's mid pull of a fight, and OF isn't ready (The macro is also in the wrong order, using Ava before Reck)
Your CD usage is fine in the intermission, except OF being at 1:42 instead of 1:31 with the rest of your CDs. Either use it on CD and make sure you get the CDR in time, or hold the 3rd OF for orbs. This pull your 1st intermission OF wasn't buffed by the 100% damage bonus, and you missed out on 1 or 2 potentially buffed BBs as well from this.
Your 2nd CDs completely missed being buffed because you picked up the orbs too quickly, delay picking them up more than you are.
3rd and 4th CDs look fine, except 4th orb pickup was slow so you spent half the time at only a few stacks almost.
Outside of this, you need to use WW less and Slam more as your filler if you have both available, you also need to try and follow the rule of thumb of using BT every 2nd GCD if possible, so BT - X - BT - X - BT etc., as this will make the rotation a lot smoother and leave you with less downtime (and less Slam/WW usage).

This was basically what I noticed stood out the most, I likely missed something else that was wrong, if there was something

But the most important part of Smolderon is making sure you get your CD usage right in intermission and milking the damage buff as much as possible

If you do that, you'll generally perform well on Smolderon

[hallow hull]

Bro thank you so much.

[snow edge]

Huge from Banezi

[hallow hull]

I swapped from Warlock to Warrior and been trying my best to figure it out. Thought I had it at times. But theres a HUGE diff between what I am doing and what people who are good at the spec do.

[eternal sundial]

Critcake made a video on the boss if you wanna see the movement some more

[hallow hull]

Alright I will check it out.

[unreal onyx]

Smolderon timer fuck bad

[covert blaze]

banezi yellow name when

[dapper goblet]

and muted

[hallow hull]

Thank you for looking at my log and telling me this.

[oblique trail]

Xan already absuing blue name powers

[oblique trail]

shut up xeoswonka

[eternal sundial]

Ours died as i spear in i3

[junior gale]

oh shit Xan a blue

[young swan]

its not abuse yellows can do it too

[oblique trail]

oh

[unreal onyx]

Vote Benzai for yellow

[quartz pumice]

[slim coral]

A rare Mwahi

[compact knot]

only person using crab until the rank 654 parse

lowkey feels really good

40% uptime not that bad either considering your flying for like 10% of the fight

+13% mastery for 40% of the fight has to be goated + the main stat

[oblique trail]

Crab is alright but you gotta compare it to your alternatives as well

While Brand doesn't necessarily do 13% of your damage, 13% mastery doesn't interact with the lego and other external damage sources, and it can proc while you're not hitting him

You also hope to proc Crab inside of your CDs, since half the time you're holding CDs for roots, and don't do a particularly impressive amount of damage otherwise

[compact knot]

yeah my boss damage was kinda ass cause i was using moto/crab

i also do not have a 496 augury or 489 brand

[oblique trail]

Fury boss damage is bound to be kinda ass on Tindral because of how you use CDs on it

[compact knot]

yeah

[oblique trail]

Even if you aren't flying, you're holding

[compact knot]

i dont have augury anyways so i figured crab would probably be better than 483 brand

and let our other specs kill boss

[oblique trail]

I ran Brand all of my prog with Moto since I didn't have Aug either

But I had a 489 Brand which did change it a bit, altho I'd still use it if it was 483

[compact knot]

i mean i was still 4th on boss damage anyways

which is defo not bad

using 2 mainly aoe trinket

[oblique trail]

Haven't looked at boss damage on Tindral in a while

But that isn't super typical

[compact knot]

oh fury is low low

ofc holding cds doesnt help

[half cargo]

I feel it on fyrakk

[oblique trail]

My Fyrakk kill I was nr.2 on boss damage

Which is definitely not normally

[half cargo]

Only popping cds once in p1, then assigned to pop on colossi

[compact knot]

still killed the boss in a normal time though right

[oblique trail]

You can still pop in intermission

[compact knot]

i mean you have to since its fyrakk

[half cargo]

That’s what I’m doing, but I just wish I can full send p1 and let others carry intermission

[oblique trail]

I used on pull, axe at 0:20-25~ depending on if I had OF early or not, hold 2nd CDs till intermission, used axe again in intermission before shield came up, popped CDs right after

[covert blaze]

skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up...

[compact knot]

like even with me being 4th on boss damage with my aoe trinkets we still had a pretty average kill time

[sullen dove]

tomorrow for sure

[oblique trail]

I do need a checkup so real

[sullen dove]

brofist 👊

[compact knot]

now we start the fyrakk prog

21 hours enough to kill it you think?

[half cargo]

Good luck

[compact knot]

with the nerfs

[sullen dove]

[unreal onyx]

If you took until now to get to fyrakk

Idk about that

[half cargo]

You’re gonna need a miracle tbh

[compact knot]

we had roster boss for like

4 weeks in a row on smolderon

was cursed

[half cargo]

Fyrakk is genuinely a step up from tindral

[compact knot]

we got alotta people now tho, like 6-8 bench players spawned

[unreal onyx]

Post-nerf tindral* imo

But now with new fyrakk nerfs idk how it plays

[half cargo]

Intermission is much more chill

[sick viper]

the fights still fuckin garbage

[compact knot]

man we got alot actually now that i think about it

fuck

get past p1 consistently, do the intermission with orbs consistently, then be able to do 2 sets of the adds stacking them

[unreal onyx]

Surely all 28 will get CE still

[half cargo]

Now you only wipe to failing the mechanic, not the heal check

[compact knot]

a historically bad mechanics guild

we are cooked

[half cargo]

[compact knot]

took us 4 weeks to stop dying to tindral beams

[sick viper]

[unreal onyx]

I wonder if we will get 1000 CE guilds this tier

I think it’s like 850 now

[sick viper]

bro this tier's prolly gonna be lower than Aszhara

[compact knot]

we gonna be #1000 race to world last baby

[unreal onyx]

Roidstack didnt buy ce yet as he promised us

He doesn’t have much time left

[indigo quarry]

Last batch of nerf pretty much nuked the last 2 boss

[sick viper]

"Is it even a boss anymore?"

[half cargo]

“Heroic+”

[ornate gust]

Finally we killed mythic (Heroic+) Fyrakk last night.

[unreal onyx]

People complaining that myth bosses are too easy but are still only aotc

[sick viper]

cope addicts

[half cargo]

Half these takes on Reddit are usually followed by “I haven’t raided mythic this tier”

[south kayak]

I haven't raided hc in this tier but mythic fyrakk is so hard

[half cargo]

Based

[south kayak]

I lied, I haven't touched hc

[unreal onyx]

I only raided lfr this tier, but myth can’t be much harder

[sick viper]

hc groups are pretty stoopid

[south kayak]

Real

[half cargo]

Watched the rwf and suddenly an armchair expert

[south kayak]

I only do follower dungeons

[sick viper]

I only solo raids

[unreal onyx]

World content is the hardest pve content

Raiders and m+ers are afraid of it

So they retreat into dungeons and raids

[south kayak]

I'm gonna be world first Delver in TWW, you just wait!

[eternal sundial]

My brother hasnt killed a current mythic boss ever but made fun of me wiping 300 pulls on tindral

[south kayak]

Based tbh

[half cargo]

:classic:

[sick viper]

I'd make fun of you just for playing retail

[unreal onyx]

🏛️

[compact knot]

wow in general tbh

[eternal sundial]

He cant do that as he unironically farmed mounts

So ill shame him back

[sick viper]

Sod is goated tho

[south kayak]

what are you talking about, mount farming is bis

wtf

[compact knot]

sod is goated

but you are bunched up

with alot of classic vanilla players

[sick viper]

old men

[south kayak]

Mr. Got 2 Guldan mounts in one run

[unreal onyx]

Mount farming is either fully degen or gigachad, there is no in between

[south kayak]

[compact knot]

and 70% of them are some kind of ism or phobic

[eternal sundial]

He did 400 guldan kills

[unreal onyx]

Degen it is

[sick viper]

u should see alliance tradechats

[unreal onyx]

Just buy every bmah box and get your mounts that way

[compact knot]

barrens chat was crazy while i was lvling 1-25

[south kayak]

Based

Should I play warrior in SoD?

I think not

Leveling as warrior in sod

[sick viper]

eh I mean

[south kayak]

[compact knot]

sod is for sure fun, cleared gnomer and found a consistent group that isnt racist

lvling as warrior isnt bad tbh

[hardy cargo]

warrior is fun in sod

100% xp increase helps

[compact knot]

its rotation is really fun and should be good in the 20 man raid

[south kayak]

I just leveled to 20 as hunter, I'm really gonna feel warrior

[indigo quarry]

Sod isnt for fun its for sweatlord that cant game mythic on retails

[compact knot]

i mean

[south kayak]

lmao

[compact knot]

i do both

so

[sour frigate]

retaid is so racist now btw

[covert blaze]

Probably me on xavius

[sour frigate]

only nelf needed

[unreal onyx]

I don’t see the appeal of sod

Seems boring

[south kayak]

Why

[sick viper]

nah

[covert blaze]

Shoulders

Been farming them since 2018

[compact knot]

its fun for sure, gives me something else to do while not mythic raiding

[unreal onyx]

Once you hit max lvl in sod it seems like you raidlog, clear the thing in 1h and log off

[compact knot]

the pvp zones are hella fun

unless your a warrior

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-it-get-some-help-gif-15058124

[sick viper]

if u play sod like its retail u probably dont have fun playing most video games

[compact knot]

^

[storm rune]

That's why you gotta do the classic hardcore route, then you'll just grind eternally, the true endgame

[south kayak]

holy shit victory strike is dogshit

[sick viper]

digital success addicts

[compact knot]

wdym its pretty good for leveling

[south kayak]

barely any hp

need 40%

[covert blaze]

I personally don't understand how someone can have fun on classic in 2024

[sick viper]

how

[compact knot]

its 10% and is a extra button to push at low levels lol

[unreal onyx]

I don’t play many other games, wow is just fuck around, raid myth, do 1 key, log off

[south kayak]

10% is nothing

[unreal onyx]

For me

[edgy widget]

it's not even very good for that tbh

it's better than nothing, but the damage is crap and the heal isn't enough to actually sustain chain pulls
So you need to stop and heal anyway, which often runs out the timer on using VS anyway

[south kayak]

and it's damage isn't good

warrior is the worst leveling class in sod

by far

[edgy widget]

in classic lol

[south kayak]

They could ahve easily fixed that with runes but instead we got some shit runes

classic

[oblique trail]

I leveled a hunter and I had the worst case of warrior brain figuring out how to train my pet

[sick viper]

bro wait until we get Titans grip

[unreal onyx]

Wdym, bugs that haven’t been fixed for 20 years in a game that is completely and fully min-maxed already and a predictable unreasonable class imbalance seem fun

[south kayak]

same, it is very annoying lmao

[oblique trail]

Took me until lvl 25 to figure out there's a literal button to open up the training tab

[south kayak]

LMAO

SAME

[oblique trail]

So I had a bird with lvl 1 claw

No taunt

[compact knot]

ok tbf warrior runes are hella boring

[south kayak]

it took em to level 20 to figure out that beast training wasn't a passive

[oblique trail]

Suffice to say I became a pro at figuring out the deadzones

[edgy widget]

I mean it can be fun when you get to take advantage of those things

but the leveling process sucks for sure

especially after you've done it a couple dozen times 💤

[sick viper]

nah leveling overall is fun tho

[hardy cargo]

classic era sucks, but sod actually adds some interaction to your class which makes it a lot better than era

[sick viper]

Classic wow actually feels like a good open world game

[compact knot]

the best way to level in sod anyways is dungeon spamming

[unreal onyx]

Levelling in classic is what deters me the most

[compact knot]

and warrior afaik is the best cleave in dungeons

[edgy widget]

like a lot of things, it depends on your perspective and situation - leveling a solo warrior objectively sucks lol

that doesn't mean you can't have fun with it, but it's a slog
navigating the world in general is also incredibly tedious

[unreal onyx]

Seems tedious, long and boring

[south kayak]

It's subjective

I find it fun

but not everyone does

[edgy widget]

I mean I've had fun leveling in classic for sure

[sick viper]

I feel like average gamers would have way more fun in sod than retail

[compact knot]

i think its fun in doses

[edgy widget]

but that doesn't mean I think it is particularly fun overall, more like I had fun in spite of it lol

also helps, especially as a Warrior, if you duo with someone

my last time through HC I duo'd with a Priest the whole way, so ofc that was way more fun actually being able to take bigger risks and not have to sit and heal every 10s

[compact knot]

in my experience once you get sweeping strikes leveling becomes significantly easier as a warrior if your going the quest route

[unreal onyx]

Especially knowing that people perfected every aspect of levelling in classic and I have 0 clue about that makes me want to level even less

[compact knot]

solo

especially in sod, SS can double dip with all the damage buffs we get

[sick viper]

I mean they give u an xp buff

[unreal onyx]

Retail levelling is so much faster and they still have a level boost to buy

To get to actual content

[sick viper]

leveling is the actual content

for classic

[unreal onyx]

But the overall goal between the 2 is different

[edgy widget]

Yeah, SS is major for sure; Warrior as a whole picks up dramatically once you get SS and MS

[unreal onyx]

The journey is the goal in classic

[sick viper]

the whole world is the caveat to classic

[unreal onyx]

And in retail you get to play the game once you max lvl

[edgy widget]

eh depends on the individual; some people really are into classic just for the "endgame" of speed parsing or max level pvp

[compact knot]

you get SS and Flaggelation, go into some dungeons and just steam roll, was getting some 2k SS hits when i pressed execute cause they made SS double dip with % increases which is sick imo

[oblique trail]

The journey in classic is ass to me

Whether it's classic or retail, leveling is a slog

[unreal onyx]

Isnt the „endgame“ in classic basically 1h of clearing bosses with 3 mechanics max?

[edgy widget]

I think it makes sense if it's your first time or first time since original, but after you've done it a dozen times na

[covert blaze]

based

[edgy widget]

yeah, but people still do it - speed running parses are a major thing in classic

[oblique trail]

It's basically my first time, and I don't like it

[sick viper]

If u play classic wow like an elder scrolls game you'll have a shitton of fun

[oblique trail]

Only reason I play SoD is to play with friends

[edgy widget]

I mean it's still classic, so it's still tedious as shit

Wrath is such a better leveling experience, and Cata is better still

[sick viper]

m+ as an experience is way more tedious than classic imo

[edgy widget]

Cata is actually a fantastic time to level as a Warrior; it's actually so much fun

[compact knot]

parse runs and speed runs are a big reason people raid in classic

[south kayak]

Wrath is when the leveling experience got better

cata was pog

[unreal onyx]

I personally don’t care too much if at all about lore, just make me able to start tackling your hardest content and I‘ll try

[compact knot]

and then the dad guilds that cant kill the last bosses of the raid keep it alive too

[edgy widget]

Warrior still kinda sucked, but they improved a bunch of base game stuff - like faster mounting, faster interactables, etc

[south kayak]

I know, there was no Quick Strike

and you literally got MS at level 10

[edgy widget]

in Wrath?

I think you mean Cata

[south kayak]

Cata

[edgy widget]

Yeah Warrior leveling in Cata is an absolute breeze - you get Victory Rush at like L3

[compact knot]

wrath lvling easy with heirlooms and getting victory rush super early too

[edgy widget]

Wrath Victory Rush didn't heal, it was just a free attack after kills

nice but not the game changer it was in Cata

[compact knot]

for sure

made lower levels alot faster though

[south kayak]

Cata pretty much overhauled the leveling experience with everyone getting their heavy hitters at level 10.

[compact knot]

victory rush and auto attack with heirloom axe and the mob died instantly from like levels 1-30

[edgy widget]

plus the questing is a lot better lol

[edgy widget]

Heirlooms kinda cheat code though, everything is breeze with them

[south kayak]

Yeah, not to mention the world overhaul

[edgy widget]

when I was talking about Wrath leveling, I was referring to the first time through - before you'd have access to heirlooms n such

[compact knot]

Arms cata warrior omg

cant wait to play it

gonna crank

[south kayak]

I'm definitely gonna play Cata

[sick viper]

damn I started in Cata

[compact knot]

cata made the game better, people hate it though not sure why

[edgy widget]

Just don't try to do early levels as Fury, it's a really good spec in Cata too, but it doesn't unlock the nice stuff till like... 50+

[south kayak]

I think the last tier in Cata left a sour taste in people's mouth

[edgy widget]

Arms is a breeze the whole way through

[south kayak]

It was pretty good all the way through

[sick viper]

the game got progessively worse after BC

[hallow sphinx]

L

[sick viper]

nah

[south kayak]

L take

[edgy widget]

[compact knot]

that is just nostalgia

[sick viper]

I mean wrath classic didnt pop off for a reason

id say 50% of that was the wow token

[edgy widget]

It kinda did

[compact knot]

it did for sure what

[sick viper]

maybe when ulduar dropped

[compact knot]

nah naxx was crazy

[south kayak]

Unpopular Opinion: Cataclysm was better than WotLK and it made everything much better

[edgy widget]

It's worth recognizing too that the classic population was massively boosted by China, and cutting the region off sent them tumbling down again

it's really hard to state how insanely popular classic was in China

[sick viper]

Cata and woltk are the same imo

[compact knot]

unpopular fact*

[sick viper]

WoW's fanbase got cut in half during Cata cuz of League

[edgy widget]

Wrath's biggest advantage was the atmosphere - the setting carried hard

Cata was really the start of "ok we need to start making brand new things" which people are naturally going to feel less connection to

[compact knot]

i raided ulduar for like 8 weeks coming from naxx and my god ive never been more bored

[edgy widget]

combined with other major changes, like continuing to reduce raid sizes, further diversifying difficulty levels

[compact knot]

i swear ulduar really just isnt as good as people made it out to be

actual slog of a raid

[sick viper]

L

[oblique trail]

Ulduar was pretty cool when it came out

[edgy widget]

and the world revamp itself, while good, fundamentally changed a major part of the game... and even if it is overall a good change that doesn't mean everyone will personaly like it

[oblique trail]

But like many classic raids, they don't really hold up to Retail standards (and they shouldn't have to either)

[edgy widget]

so yeah, not surprising at all that Cata was divisive

[edgy widget]

absolutely not, and you're right it's kinda snooze fest comparatively (though Cata does punch that up quite a little bit)

Wrath kind of started it with Ulduar hard modes and Wrath difficulty split, but Cata really laid the foundation for modern raid mechanic design

[compact knot]

i go from looking forward to naxx every week, to being bored out of my mind in ulduar

atleast algelon was a fun boss

[south kayak]

Cataclysm introduced spec Mastery

[edgy widget]

and not everyone liked that, in fact there's a very vocal group of people who don't want more involved raids - they really do want something they can walk in and blast after a few pulls of learning, and finish clearing in an hour each week

[fathom wolf]

WTB reforging in retail.

[cold jolt]

Yipee reforging

[sick viper]

i hope ur not talkin bout mythic

[fathom wolf]

Its been the one feature I always missed. Turning bad RNG and shit drops into semi usable gear was such a good feature they took from us.

[oblique trail]

I'm talking about in general

If all you've known is retail raids since Legion/BFA and onwards, then classic raids can feel like a slog

Because it's a lot more basic by comparison

[edgy widget]

The irony in that they removed the part that made reforging problematic (hit/expertise) but then removed reforging anyway

[sick viper]

I'd say the specific retail boss fights are better but the raiding experience in classic is way better

[oblique trail]

Depends on what you're looking for

[edgy widget]

ehh

yeah depends on what you're looking for

[oblique trail]

I enjoy hard fights a lot more than a leisurely time with friends like you can in classic

[edgy widget]

if you're looking for that happy friends bullshit on comms, sure

[south kayak]

But that's not an objective fact

It's subjective

[edgy widget]

if you're looking for overcoming a challenging group puzzle, classic doesn't really have that at all

[oblique trail]

It's why I joined a new guild on Retail, but stay playing with my friends in SoD

[sick viper]

ya but retails raid bullshit extends beyond just the bosses

[edgy widget]

how so?

[compact knot]

no puzzle to any boss in classic when 1 lfr boss today has more mechanics than all of molten core

[sick viper]

also gearing in classic is way more fun than retail

[oblique trail]

What like WA's?

[compact knot]

hes not wrong tbh

[south kayak]

[compact knot]

gearing is very fun

[edgy widget]

I mean actual Vanilla Classic has a lot of bullshit involved in raiding outside of the actual raid

ever spent time farming blasted lands buffs?

micro managing world buffs?

[sick viper]

the only bullshit in vanilla raiding is raid id

[edgy widget]

worrying about PvP fucking over your world buffs?

[edgy widget]

yeah not even remotely

[eternal sundial]

Get dispell nerd

[sick viper]

use your chronoboon lol

[compact knot]

1hr cd

[fathom wolf]

wtf is a chronoboon?

[edgy widget]

Chronoboon didn't exist when I did it 🙃

[fathom wolf]

^

[edgy widget]

even with it, you still have to micromanage all those things

you may have less risk of losing them, but you still need to do it in the first place

[sick viper]

lets b real u dont need world buffs to raid

[compact knot]

i had multiple undead priests just hiding in stormwind somewhere looking for dispells

[edgy widget]

no you don't

but the high end absolutely does them

[sick viper]

back then it was important cuz ppl were dogshit

[edgy widget]

and I mean, you wanna talk about how much of an annoyance group buffs are in RETAIL?

[compact knot]

you dont need them to raid, but 50% of the player base only plays to speedrun or parse

[sick viper]

that shits stupid too

[edgy widget]

classic you gotta manage group buffs, specific weapon buffs, sunder bitches, annihilator, consumables, engineers

classic has a ton of external crap to sort out before ever pulling the boss

arguably way more than retail even

[compact knot]

it is way worse than retail and its not close

[sick viper]

maybe if youre a nerd

🤓

[compact knot]

?

[edgy widget]

weird argument, but ok

[oblique trail]

At least you reveal now not to take you serious in any capacity

[edgy widget]

I mean yeah if you just lol your way through the raids without optimizing, sure you don't need to do any of that stuff and you'll probably still kill the bosses

but if anything, that just goes to prove what a low bar classic raiding has

[fathom wolf]

Bring back reforging, bring back actual valor points or have dinar(whatever the fuck its called) every season, remove repair costs while inside instances and make food buffs last through death. Im poor and dont want to play the game outside of M+ carries and raid nights to be able to afford to push and raid.

[sick viper]

u dont have to do all that micromanaging shit to clear a classic raid

[compact knot]

correct

[edgy widget]

yeah and that just goes to show what a low bar classic raiding has

there's nothing high brow about it lol

[indigo quarry]

Reforging would be useful and a curse with the DR of secondaries

[sick viper]

I swear all this talk sounds just as stupid as parse talk in classic

[edgy widget]

it's the equivilant of raiding normal in retail; if you just wanna lol your way through while bullshitting with your friends in comms... that's great - there's nothing wrong with that

but there's no challenge, there's no interest beyond... I guess get gear to clear a little bit faster next time

imo that gets boring a lot faster

[sick viper]

retail raiding get way more boring faster

if u don't do mythic

[fathom wolf]

Everyone wants to both be "the best" and have fun at the same time. You cant have your cake and eat it to at the top end.

[edgy widget]

well that's why there are multiple difficulties

[sick viper]

ya but we're talking about whats a more fun experience

[fathom wolf]

If you want fun just crack open a bottle and raid normal/heroic with the homies.

[sick viper]

mythic raiding is dogshit compared to classic raiding

some of the bosses might be more fun

[oblique trail]

You initially said the raid experience was more enjoyable in classic, but you dismiss how different people enjoy the raiding, both in classic by saying they're a nerd (?) for wanting to min/max speed kills with managing buffs, and WAs in retail which arguably have problems but retail as a whole has a different raid experience because of how much more evolved the game is compared to its classic counterpart

[sick viper]

but the experience as a whole is garbage

[edgy widget]

I feel like you've spent a lot of time making statements and not a lot of time explaining your reasoning

mythic raiding is dogshit compared to classic raiding
ok, why?

ya but retails raid bullshit extends beyond just the bosses
how so?

I'd say the specific retail boss fights are better but the raiding experience in classic is way better
In what way?

[oblique trail]

If we could make raiding like FF where it's visual and audio queues it could be interesting, but retail raiding is built with WAs in mind now, which is a bit of a blessing and a curse, since it requires WAs with certain mechanics but also allows for crazier mechanics at the same time, which can either be frustrating but also make the fights more fun

I find enjoyment in raiding on retail because of the challenge fights have (at least earlier on), and I can't find that by raiding in classic

[sick viper]

yall sound like Alkaizer

[oblique trail]

Also another way for me to say get rid of private auras again ty

That's a weird connection

[edgy widget]

tbf, Blizz has improved dramatically with their audio/visual queues over the last two expansions, but at this point it doesn't really matter - WAs are already so proliferated there's no real going back, no matter how good blizz does it (or not)

[oblique trail]

Alkaizer straight up makes fun of wow in general

I don't really care if you have fun in classic raiding or enjoy that more

More power to you

[sick viper]

I mean you guys derive your enjoyment from being sweats

[oblique trail]

Yeah?

[edgy widget]

I'm still waiting for an answer to this @sick viper

[oblique trail]

Different strokes for different folks

[sullen dove]

was this the same guy talking about ppl being sweats like a week ago

that was some1 else right

[cold jolt]

Today was rough in mythic fyrak Ngl

[south kayak]

People derive their enjoyment from different things

[oblique trail]

It was someone else

[sullen dove]

o yea i think morthrang or somethin

thas right

[edgy widget]

because honestly, if you're not willing to explain any of your reasoning, it just kind of feels like you're just making divisive statements in order to bait argumentation

[oblique trail]

I have fun playing as optimal as possible while doing challenging raid fights

[hallow sphinx]

🪤

[sullen dove]

🐭

[south kayak]

weirdo

[sick viper]

i'd reply to your message but im replying to multiple ppl lol

[oblique trail]

Because you've never really explained any of your arguments

[edgy widget]

well I ain't got all night, so good luck - I gotta head to bed at a semi-reasonable hour for once

idk, this just feels like a very "my way or the highway" conversation; like you gotta at least try to see other people's point of view

[cold jolt]

For me I dislike wow when I suck

Like it makes me depressed

[edgy widget]

I'm glad you're sticking with it

[cold jolt]

Yeah today was real rough

Half thought about quitting or something

[edgy widget]

the raid lockout stuff was wild lol

[cold jolt]

Yeah

I mean I wouldn’t quit bc that would mean they would be down someone who atleast does mechs hen his weak auras work

But my dmg is dog shit

And I feel so stupid

[edgy widget]

I wish I could tell yall about what happened to me yesterday, but it's sensitive right now till Blizz gets around to banning some people 😬

It's not bad (at least not for me, there were a few other people involved it was worse for), but it's actually crazy

[cold jolt]

When the time is right you can fro sure I think, but for now, the stuff ppl do on wow is nuts

[south kayak]

[cold jolt]

Like for me I genuinely cried todsu

[sullen dove]

holy

[cold jolt]

But not once did I think about hurting someone

[edgy widget]

gamers who make their literal entire life about the game are some of the most unhinged people you'll ever meet; kinda goes for everything tbh, but gamers especially

[sullen dove]

[cold jolt]

Ya bro when I do bad st soemrtiny I don’t want to be bad at I feel like it’s because I’m autistic

And I can never get better

That’s why I cried

[dapper goblet]

[sullen dove]

[sick viper]

wiping 600 times on a boss isn't fun and you get roster bossed constantly cuz ppl are burnt out

[cold jolt]

Lack of empathy is crazy

[edgy widget]

meh, nobody is perfect, it's all about getting back up on that horse and trying again

[sullen dove]

i think he was talking about.. the ppl that hold up a raid hostage... not you for crying about performance

[oblique trail]

Wiping 600 times to a single boss is a guild issue, roster happens to everyone

[sullen dove]

tho both of those are a little over the top either way

[oblique trail]

And roster issues can happen both in retail and classic

[cold jolt]

I agree it’s over the top

Crying that is

[edgy widget]

I mean that's fair, though this tier is kind of an outlier in that regard - it's definitely something that blizz is criticized about and should do better with

There is absolutely a middle ground between challenging and mindnumbing grind, but this game also has a huge range of players with all sorts of different skill levels, so it's a hard target to hit

[cold jolt]

But it’s really interpersonal for me

[sick viper]

maybe i'd have more fun if I was in a rlly good guild but thats not the experience even for most mythic raiders

[sullen dove]

if nothing else i mean nice you feel enough about the game to care about it like that yea, but chances are you arent the only one dying early or doing something wrong every pull

im like 550 pulls into the boss

ive personally hard fucked up maybe 15-20 times in that time

but idk

[cold jolt]

Oh I’m not actually dying when my weak auras work

[sullen dove]

it happens sometimes

[cold jolt]

My dmg is just really really bad

The start of the stream

[sullen dove]

yea i mean idk also can happen u just picked up the game like 2 or so months ago no

and arent as high ilvl

[cold jolt]

So basicslly my weak auras changed and my autism flared and I got really annoyed

Nah my gear is okay now ish

[edgy widget]

woosah

https://tenor.com/view/woo-okay-gif-22413361

[sullen dove]

quoi

[cold jolt]

220k sim with augury

[sullen dove]

i mean... thats aight

[cold jolt]

486

[sullen dove]

in aoe spec?

or with like st spear

[cold jolt]

Spear

[sullen dove]

yea i mean.. bout 30k behind max gear, not that bad tho, i assume no leggo yet

thats at least like a good 10k dps

[sick viper]

way more retail guilds die than classic guilds

[cold jolt]

Yeah no leggo

[edgy widget]

Yeah lego will bump a good bit

[cold jolt]

Im using rezans and augury rn

[sick viper]

the only thing a classic guild can die of is old age

[cold jolt]

Im consitantly last place I beleive

[sick viper]

jesus

[oblique trail]

I've seen some crazy things happen to some classic guilds so I wouldn't really say that

But yes retail guilds have a higher tendency, at least in this tier, to die because of various reasons

[cold jolt]

Last Im dos

Dps

[edgy widget]

idk, Blizzard cut the classic population by more than half when they cut off china, that was more guilds/players lost than the last three tiers of retail combined 😬

[cold jolt]

Not behind tanks

[oblique trail]

As Archi mentioned it's definitely an outlier, with Tindral especially being such a high pull count boss that is incredibly punishing

[edgy widget]

Yeah I don't think we've had a raid tier with this lopsided of a progression curve since Tomb

[oblique trail]

Even after nerfs he's still gonna be rough for guilds progging him now

Which like gl to guilds progging him now

[sick viper]

I wouldnt say that guilds actually die in retail but they just stop raiding

[oblique trail]

Guilds definitely die out

[edgy widget]

arguably guilds are a lot easier to spin up and down in retail too though

[eternal sundial]

Only cuz anduin is an almost early boss in sepulcher

[edgy widget]

especially now with less xrealm/xfaction restrictions

[oblique trail]

Yeah I imagine TWW will make mythic raiding more accessible

Since you can cross realm from the start

[sick viper]

still raid id tho

[south kayak]

Delve is gonna be the real endgame in TWW

[sick viper]

that shit is so stupid

[edgy widget]

Yeah Halondrus and Anduin in Sepulcher were pretty bad, but the overall curve was still actually smoother than this tier or tomb

[oblique trail]

I still don't know what opinion I have of raid ID for mythic

[sick viper]

way less ppl are gonna get CE this tier than sepulcher

[sick viper]

it doesnt improve anything and it makes logistics way worse

[oblique trail]

Considering it has the highest ilvl (outside of vault) gear available, and generally seen as a group effort, I think it's fine to have it be a locked ID

[sullen dove]

i mean last 2 bosses are just some of the hardest theyve made in 5 yrs

and nerfs a little slow

[edgy widget]

Yeah I don't see any issue with locked raid ids

idk how it would really work without

[sick viper]

simple just like HC

[edgy widget]

especially with how rabid the high end min/max crowd is

[sick viper]

loot lockout

[edgy widget]

I think you'd run into a lot of issues using a traditional loot lockout only

[sick viper]

like what

[edgy widget]

like manipulating lockouts for the purposes of target farming gear

[south kayak]

I really thought Sepulcher was gonna be the last hard raid after the amount of guilds getting CE was way worse than before

but apparently it wasn't

[sick viper]

who cares

[south kayak]

[edgy widget]

people who care about the health of the overall game more than their own personal self interests

[south kayak]

Blizzard just keeps dropping the ball and making ridiculously hard bosses

Just stop

[sick viper]

how would that fuck with the health of the game????

[oblique trail]

Tindral is an outlier

[sullen dove]

i mean realistically i think it means almost nothing if you can somehow prioritize gear better for a few turbo sweats in hof guilds swapping around alts for diff bosses

like maybe u get a piece of gear 1 or 2 weeks sooner

[edgy widget]

I feel like I just explained that it results in lockout manipulation

[sullen dove]

idk

[oblique trail]

Too many oneshot wipes in one fight really

[sick viper]

like 5% of the playerbase actually attempts mythic

[edgy widget]

well then I guess your problem doesn't actually affect that many people then

😆

[south kayak]

That was the issue before, too many one shot mechanics and they acknowledged it back then and they still keep making one shot mechanics...

It's ridiculous

[sullen dove]

"manipulation" is pretty vague, i think the only actual noticable difference/change would be infinitely selling carries for gold cause saved characters just wouldnt be locked and they can sell as much as they want

but like for actual playing the game purposes dont think it matters at all if mythic lockout was removed

[edgy widget]

I mean yeah it wasn't a pointed statement, but that does fall under the concept of manipulation

[south kayak]

One shot mechanics that kill the entire raid NEED to stop

[sick viper]

true but im saying the lockout makes the mythic experience worse

[sullen dove]

a few smart people would find ways to abuse it for loot probably but most people prolly wouldnt bother

[edgy widget]

I mean how about running eranog 14 different times to farm rings for different players/characters?

[south kayak]

No way

[sullen dove]

i mean you can do that i guess, but how many alts would you need to do so? you get saved on the first kill

unless you just have like 19 people in, and rotate 1 persons 8 alts

to guarantee he gets it

[sick viper]

ppl do the same shit with m+

[oblique trail]

maximum saying he wants lockouts removed but he's the one that also states he hates split raids

[edgy widget]

exactly

makes it way easier

[sullen dove]

for a single person

to get an item sooner

[cold jolt]

Mythic plus isn’t really the same thing

[edgy widget]

well no, not only a single person

[cold jolt]

In this context

[edgy widget]

you could have both your DH's run separately, you don't need a lot of alts if it's a loot lockout

[sullen dove]

its still a lot of effort, to have extra alts to do that

its basically like doing "splits" in mythic

[cold jolt]

You’re designed to run mythic plus over and over

[sick viper]

im saying that ppl are gonna degen in anyway they can

[cold jolt]

Like by design

I agree

We’ve seen it every single time they’ve tried to adjust something

[edgy widget]

they absolutely are, but that doesn't mean you make it easier for them - sometimes you have to save people from themselves lol

[cold jolt]

Also true as well

[south kayak]

Very factual

[sick viper]

that makes no sense

[sullen dove]

but like that small optimization that people would take advantage of in rwf or something for actual effect, and future employment of that strategy is just like, sure a benefit but relatively meaningless, no lockouts would probably benefit the super low mythic guilds that run up 4/9 every season more than it "hurts" the competition having to deal with mythic splits

always having roster issues and just wanting ppl to get in

[edgy widget]

the last few comments would seem to disagree

[south kayak]

It makes complete sense, wdym?

[cold jolt]

I think mythic is fine the way it is lock out wise

[sick viper]

like you cant stop someone from being addicted to a video game

[cold jolt]

Like idk how’d you change it

[edgy widget]

nobody said anything about addiction

[south kayak]

That's not what he meant

[cold jolt]

And not have it be abused

[sick viper]

whats wrong with it being abused tho

[cold jolt]

A lot

[sick viper]

like srsly who cares lol

[cold jolt]

For example look at the last poe league

I don’t even really wana play anymore

[dapper goblet]

[cold jolt]

Bc they had an exploit

[south kayak]

Like for example, there's a restriction on weeklies or dailies so people don't actually spend their entire day farming that specific thing and being mentally exhausted

Because people would absolutely do that

[cold jolt]

That ppl literslly dropped mirrors on mirrors

[south kayak]

and that can cause issues

[sick viper]

those ppl made the choice to do that tho

[cold jolt]

Ok but ppl at the top

Are going to do it

[edgy widget]

hence "save them from themselves"

[cold jolt]

Even if you aren’t at the top

[south kayak]

^

[cold jolt]

If you want to min max

You’ll do it

Every even mid tier mythic guild prog will

Prob

[sullen dove]

i mean at the end of the day its their issue whether they do that or not, the only thing that feels cringe is when its for player power (talking specifically about out of raid quests). see how much people fucking despised korthia and wow basically died in 9.1

[edgy widget]

just because people can do something, even want to do something, doesn't mean they necessarily should

[cold jolt]

If it meant genuine help for their raid

[edgy widget]

much less that it's healthy for the game to allow them to

[south kayak]

Maw of Souls farm

[sullen dove]

but like ppl will only raid a certain number ofh ours a week and if they take away their own raid time on other bosses to minmax loot on early bosses like good for them

[cold jolt]

Maw was okay

[sullen dove]

thats how they spend their short raid time

[cold jolt]

Wasnt maw farm just a fast dungoen

[edgy widget]

bit of a different example, but yeah - Maw of Souls farm was kinda unhealthy for the game because it promoted a situation where people only wanted to run that dungeon at the expensive of all the others

[cold jolt]

That you could two pull

[south kayak]

Yeah but imagine doing that dungeon hundreds of times daily

[quartz pumice]

Good times.

[south kayak]

surely you're gonna be exhausted

mentally

[sick viper]

all those ppl that you say would degen the raid still degen mythic + tho

[cold jolt]

I csnt fully remember was it for lege and arti power ?

[edgy widget]

Sure, but that situation exists no matter what dungeon you're running

[sick viper]

also its a weekly lockout how tf would they farm a boss that much

[south kayak]

That's why there's a weekly lockout

[edgy widget]

in terms of health of the game though, it's definitely better that all dungeons are more equitable with one another than one being massively easier

[sick viper]

Im not talking about the weekly fuckin lockout lol

[sullen dove]

its not the weekly lockout its the instance id lockout thats like.. being argued

[edgy widget]

in the same sense that its dumb that some M+ Affix combinations are way harder than others, giving rise to the concept of "push week" and "no play week"; smoothing out that disparity would be good for the game overall

[sullen dove]

that should be removed

[sick viper]

im talkin about raid id

[sullen dove]

heroic is also weekly lockouted, but you can enter a diff heroic raid after another heroic

[south kayak]

That's something else, my bad

I don't really care for that

Actually, I think raid ID shouldn't exist for mythic

[sick viper]

there's literally no argument that says raid id is good for mythic raiding

[south kayak]

But meh

Doesn't bother me that much

[edgy widget]

alright anyway, good talk - I'm goin to bed

[south kayak]

How many hours do you usually sleep?

[sullen dove]

yea like, top end omega sweat guilds will surely run up mythic splits to abuse that for gear, but whatever they gain from that i dont think is as big a deal as just making early mythic pugs easier, and low lvl mythic guilds just recruiting 1 or 2 players from lfg to fill some slots in their roster for the night if too many people call out

not that yknow mythic HAS to be a puggable difficulty, but if it was and it was a little more forgiving for signing up to do one im sure more ppl would do it

[south kayak]

You guys know that moment when you're having an excitement attack in bed before going to sleep

lol

[dapper goblet]

raid id is good for mythic

[sick viper]

raid id is the biggest contributor to roster boss

[sullen dove]

good for u cuz then youd be forced to do 20 sales a week

[south kayak]

Elaborate, Mr. Xeos

[sullen dove]

but aside from that its pretty meaningless

[dapper goblet]

raid id good for mythic

[south kayak]

Good elaboration

[sullen dove]

write that down write that down

[south kayak]

[sullen dove]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-star-notes-noted-gif-26232003

[south kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

Xeos pov

[dapper goblet]

raid id good for mythic and mythic day one bad

[south kayak]

real

[sick viper]

raid id is good for rmt sites

[dapper goblet]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-wtf-gif-18188575

[sullen dove]

does day 1 mythic affect literally anyone except rwf

[dapper goblet]

i'm not rwf

and it does

[sullen dove]

like if your a top guild maybe you run the first couple bosses first week on like sunday/monday

sure

[south kayak]

day 1 mythic killed my parents

[sullen dove]

but who cares

your perogative to do so

[sick viper]

maybe for mfs who play no other games

[eternal sundial]

I miss HC week

[dapper goblet]

same

i log on wow once a week

[indigo quarry]

HC week was so nice

[sick viper]

the last time I enjoyed HC week a lot was S1

[sullen dove]

rasz heroic...

[sick viper]

best DF boss no shot

[sullen dove]

o its definitely fun

but psure like.. incredibly hard

on heroic

for a while

dont rember if it had to get nerfed

or just gear differential

[indigo quarry]

For heroic boss that was the hardest in a long time

[dapper goblet]

i for one hate when heroic bosses are difficult

[sick viper]

ppl said it was as hard as Blackhand

[dapper goblet]

or rather overly difficult

[sullen dove]

anduin week 1

[south kayak]

Same

[dapper goblet]

they started this trend in SL

never liked it

[sullen dove]

bring back an aberrus tier

[south kayak]

bring back when life was good

[dapper goblet]

sark heroic was pretty hard

[south kayak]

^

[sullen dove]

maybe at the start but i think it was just a lot of new random wacky mechanics to learn

[indigo quarry]

Kiljaeden was the first real nightmare

[dapper goblet]

Fyrakk on the other hand was actually a joke

[south kayak]

han ain't no way

[dapper goblet]

took like sub 10 pulls

FOR GUILDS

pugs different

pretty sure they buffed fyrakk

heroic

[sullen dove]

i think we killed heroic sark first week..

dont think anything was too bad, just that it was like an actual damage check kinda

cuz low ilvl

[cold jolt]

Black hand was considered hard ?

[sullen dove]

whereas guild didnt get heroic fyrakk till week 2

wack

[sick viper]

Ive been in more worse fyrakk pug grps than Rasz grps

[dapper goblet]

hardest boss to pug for me was sark

[sullen dove]

yea cuz ppl had to do hyperspecific jobs with bomb drops me thinks

and stuff like that

[dapper goblet]

tank frontal whole raid

no fuck go down with boom boom

[sullen dove]

and idk tanks actually dragging adds into heal cleanse circle

[dapper goblet]

quirky

[sick viper]

heroic Rasz week 1 actually feels like good difficulty imo compared to most mythic fights

[sullen dove]

frontals

[sick viper]

sark has shit visual clarity

[cold jolt]

Oh yeah bh had the weird add stuff

[unreal onyx]

Rasz lowkey also had bad visibility

[cold jolt]

I just did the tank and last phase soaks on mythic

[unreal onyx]

Bc of big wings

[sick viper]

sark was worse imo

[cold jolt]

Didn’t even know sides existed

On blakx hand

Just hoped our warlocks killed it thumbs up

[oblique trail]

That was not lowkey

[sick viper]

like the p3 swirlies are the worst

[oblique trail]

Being melee on Rasz without enchanted dust was awful

Even with enchanted dust it was bad

[unreal onyx]

Get zapped bc of big feather on your screen

[oblique trail]

Had similar issues with Fyrakk where sometimes I think I could soak a swirlie with SR and having to place the pools, and not have enough time to move and adjust, but instead of just one swirlie there would be 3 on top of it

[unreal onyx]

Also I personally hate mechanics that have you turn your camera around like sark knockback voids or fyrakk soak orbs

[oblique trail]

It wasn't a visibility because of wings issue, just a visibility issue because there was no way to discern how many stacked swirlies there were

[sullen dove]

in my xp theres like a second to drop pool after swirlies go away

[sick viper]

bro p2 fyrakk swirlies are troll

[sullen dove]

i just never stand in a swirl

yea it sucks p2 firestorm when theres swirls and blazes and adds to avoid

[unreal onyx]

Yea that made me just not take chances with those anymore

[sick viper]

whats stupid is that more swirlies show up when u get blazes

[oblique trail]

It wasn't an issue in P2 because I just started going into the tanks circles and dodge blazes/swirlies that way, since you have so much time till the colossi actually drop

And it's omega free inside of them because half the raid is scared to go in there

[sullen dove]

thats usually fine u just gotta pay big attention to if u get a blaze and what direction its facing

[unreal onyx]

I haven’t played ranged ever in raid but I can’t imagine they have it harder than melee ever

[sullen dove]

shit can be rly cringe at the edge of the platform

[oblique trail]

Yeah I think I've hit souls once?

[sullen dove]

tree spawns right at the end of your line

silly business

[oblique trail]

In the 350 pulls we had

Which is still once too many

[dapper goblet]

having played ranged on prog its not nearly as bad as they bitch about

each boss is different on who it prefers to fuck

[indigo quarry]

Ranged player dont know how to position

Thats why they bitching

[clever belfry]

I think this tier is harder as melee, but more annoying as ranged

[unreal onyx]

Melee players seem to get fucked more frequently

[eternal sundial]

Depends on boss

[dapper goblet]

playing ranged on nymue makes me wanna 7

[unreal onyx]

Especially if there’s a mechanic that drops something under you

[clever belfry]

idk for me its melee that makes me wanna seven there

[dapper goblet]

hell nah

[unreal onyx]

Cant rangeds just stand in melee if ranged abilities are bad?

[clever belfry]

Just top down camera and ranged vapes

[dapper goblet]

melee i'm the maroon 5 meme

[unreal onyx]

Melee can’t stand in ranged

[sullen dove]

melee nymue fr is a breeze

[sick viper]

the soaks are a lil too far from the boss imo

[sullen dove]

close nuff

[clever belfry]

Good way to never cast a spell in most encounters

[dapper goblet]

ranged i'm running across the map to soak while a giant line comes at me and no healer is near

awful

[clever belfry]

that fight as aug with 25y was differently dogshit

[unreal onyx]

Melee seems more stressful to me in raid

Way worse visibility

[sick viper]

my biggest complaint with nymue is the fights too lame for how cool she looks

[sullen dove]

ok guys

23% fyr wipe like 5 seconds b4 dropping second seed

we chillin?

[sick viper]

bruh

[sullen dove]

with that potential at least

[unreal onyx]

Should be good

When do you bl

[sullen dove]

had a 19% after 3 drops but a lot of ppl died obv

after first drop

[unreal onyx]

So 23% after bl?

[sullen dove]

its uh... QUITE ASS holding blue seed for 3 whole roars

yea pretty much

idk when it falls off

[oblique trail]

Yeah that should be fine

[unreal onyx]

Then it seems a lil high to me, but I also didn’t check the % on our kill

[clever belfry]

youre fine with the nerfs

[unreal onyx]

We took 3 drops and like 10s

[clever belfry]

should be a lot less rng wipes

[sick viper]

yall r making me wanna last second guild hop

[south kayak]

I love how SP was pretty mid in M+ until they buffed them plenty of times and now they're the best again xd

and fury gets nothing

[clever belfry]

sp whiners

[south kayak]

what is the point of playing warrior

when everyone else gets buffss all the time

[dapper goblet]

[clever belfry]

next xpac is ours!!

[sullen dove]

it literally has war in the name!!

warrior xpac!!

[oblique trail]

Andus

Hosen check

[clever belfry]

in bed
no Hosen

[south kayak]

It's about the Warrior Within us all

[oblique trail]

not sieben today

[clever belfry]

remember Fury Incarnate

10.1.6 i think?

[sullen dove]

was that 10.0.5 or 10.1.5

10.1.7

damn

what even was that patch

[clever belfry]

idk

dogshit

[sullen dove]

o dreamsurges/heroic doti

uh

some new quests

so yea

[clever belfry]

and

PINGS

pings are honestly op

[sullen dove]

o wait

tru

actual bis patch

[south kayak]

pings are amazing

I'm playing DD in PoE and now i have to swap to dd at this point

so many sockets to get

[cold jolt]

bro its owrth it

my dd build is up and running

MAKE SURE TIO GET UR SPECTRES BRO

[south kayak]

I need sockets on items too

[cold jolt]

!!!!

[south kayak]

i have barely any

[cold jolt]

spectres literally 100x my dmg

[south kayak]

spectres?

[cold jolt]

are u playting coc

[south kayak]

what's a coc

[cold jolt]

basically is uses spectres raised from desecrate

but when u raise rndom spectres

its like 100% hp

HOWEVER

if u raise specific spectres

it goes all the way to 400% max hp

instead of 100%

and detonate dead works off of max mob hp

👍

that was a very bad explnation

but id just ask someone smart for a better one honestkly

[south kayak]

I don't know what you're talking about tbh lol. Don't even know what spectres are

[cold jolt]

desecrate adds the good health mobs

when u detonate dead

u are detonating the mobs u make with desecrate

desecrate takes mobs from the pool of the map ure in

and makes them into corspes at rnadom

if u raise like 6 specfici spectres

u dilute ur desecrate pool to ALWAYS have those 6 kinda