pretty much
#fury
dusk jackal
hopefully your team recognizes that you are melee and shift to the other side, giving you space to dps
quiet geyser
You in a new guild this tier silm? Feel like your progression is hella slower than usual D:
modest condor
no same guild, and yes prog is a bit slower than usual
tindral did not go well, i think we lost like 300 world ranks on that
slim coral
who's the person on twitter who alwasy post those m+ stats
I cannot remember their name
modest condor
tettles?
clever belfry
tindral did not go well, i think we lost like 300 world ranks on that
Low hour guild?
slim coral
they have like taylor swift or some female as their pfp
modest condor
Low hour guild?
3 days but most of the time we keep reclearing all the way to the end so really 2 days of prog per week
slim coral
idk if thaat helps
no that doesnt help
barren dagger
xd
modest condor
but we've been hit by the roster boss as well this tier so had to cancel raids here and there
modest condor
never heard of
man looking into the spelldata for how to find whether something is affected by avoidance or not is great
so apparently there are 2 things, 1: if the spelldata shows a radius or 2: if it's specifically flagged "treat as area effect"
hollow cradle
Evening. I've been struggling with simming myself. I mainly focus on M+ and want to gear myself accordingly, but how do I sim myself to find new upgrades? Do a sim 6 targets, 5 mins? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-gb/character/eu/kazzak/drukthor
clever path
idk what others do, but I do 5 targets for 5 minutes on patchwerk
edgy widget
no no
you probably mean Jordan - they post a lot aside from just these stats though
https://twitter.com/lofibanshee/status/1773228579490349520/
Twitter
edgy widget
you're not missing much
slim coral
no I know I needed a stat they showed to show the mage discord
Glad season 4 is soon tho ready for some new keys
hollow cradle
idk what others do, but I do 5 targets for 5 minutes on patchwerk
I've been doing 6 targets, 5 mins, Patchwerk. Just confirming cause I feel like my damage is quite far behind other classes on my ilvl. Thanks.
modest condor
remember when the season was progressing and more tanks were playing paladin, and then it progressed even further and they found out paladin cant live the highest keys and they all went back to dh again
edgy widget
its the circle of life
clever path
I've been doing 6 targets, 5 mins, Patchwerk. Just confirming cause I feel like ...
send a details or log of you doing damage or damage over a key
It might be a case of rotational problems
hollow cradle
send a details or log of you doing damage or damage over a key
I'll send it now.
slim coral
you're not missing much
mage discord tried to gaslit me and tell me they aren't meta most m+ seasons
so I had to find the graph to show them wrong
outer umbra
anothaaaaaaaa 1 
clever path
Had someone try to say that warrior has been good for several expansions now. I just sat silent for a minute and asked If he already forgot what last expansion was like
wooden robin
Had someone try to say that warrior has been good for several expansions now. I ...
I usuallly do prot war, I might as well not play this game lol
clever path
If only they rolled back the nerfs they gave with S1 tier set
dense elbow
Had someone try to say that warrior has been good for several expansions now. I ...
I am confused, warrior is good and far from bad - both for raid and m+?
clever path
I am confused, warrior is good and far from bad - both for raid and m+?
mb, we were talking specifically about fury warriors
clever path
for several expansions? We were pretty bad in SL
hollow cradle
send a details or log of you doing damage or damage over a key
Is this what you want? xD
clever path
don't get me started back in S2 raid
dense elbow
I am not happy before OF is top dam, come back when that is the case
clever path
we were quite literally bottom ST damage for raid in S2
dense elbow
Boss dam isnt all that matters tho
clever path
We were like a chunk behind the next place up
Not to mention there were classes that still beat us silly in aoe
SL was just bad all around for a long time as well
dense elbow
Do I missremember? Thought warrior was good on SLG and Sire D?
modest condor
fury was good for add damage on slg
edgy widget
Warrior has been good on several fights, but that doesn't have much bearing on what was said
restive peak
Fury in SL S1 was mediocre as fuck, we got a shit ton of buffs and still sucked
edgy widget
ST damage is generally more important than AoE in raid, there are a few exceptions, but they are very few
dense elbow
S1, the era of 3% buffs
edgy widget
even something like Tindral, which is obstensibly a lot of AoE, isn't really a focus of the fight
and Fury can do really well on the fight if they fully focus on AoE, but it's not really conductive to actually succeeding at the fight
modest condor
i do disagree with the people saying not to use signet brand on tindral
hasty path
Long fight
hollow cradle
I am not happy before OF is top dam, come back when that is the case
Was this aimed at me?
slim coral
I mean might is pretty good too
edgy widget
Brand is iffy, because the fight isn't actually as long as it seems - there's a lot of dead time due to flying, combined with lots of extra targets eating procs
slim coral
for root daamge
clever path
augury is good for both though
dense elbow
Was this aimed at me?
If you didnt have OF as top dam, then yes
restive peak
I've never finished tindral w/o 15 stacks, I have had a few that didn't get there til mid P3 though
slim coral
yeah but lincc
hollow cradle
😂
slim coral
you gotta remember
sick viper
how much dmg we lose without windfury?
restive peak
Fuck root dmg bro
modest condor
yeah it's still about 5 minutes of actively fighting time, at least on prog
edgy widget
certainly you'll get 15 stacks, but my point is it's not actually a 7m fight, it's more like a 5m fight
restive peak
Boss dam parses only we ball
Oh for sure lol, agreed
Still think might is trolling for pad compared
slim coral
if you're flying up
restive peak
I fly up brotherman
slim coral
you really aren't keeping the brand stacks on the boss
restive peak
Wut
dense elbow
Might is better if you are dedicated to blowing up adds, that is my take
slim coral
like you won't be applying that many brands
restive peak
I mean you fly for 3-5secs done properly
edgy widget
Might is better if you are dedicated to blowing up adds, that is my take
of course it is, but that's largely pointless for anything other than rank padding
hasty path
Boss dam parses only we ball
Tindral parses at all tho who cares man
restive peak
It's very minimal in that aspect
restive peak
Tindral parses at all tho who cares man
Hence we go boss dam and fly by asap
hasty path
No ASR no point
hasty path
Hence we go boss dam and fly by asap
Based
edgy widget
which isn't to say you don't want some damage on roots, and if your raid is mostly ST, then playing Fury to dump extra damage into them is a perfectly fine idea
you just gotta balance your damage with the rest of the raid
dense elbow
If raidleader gives you the job to blow up adds, you blow up adds. Simple as. Wouldnt call that padding really.
edgy widget
if you have 2 ret and 2 warlocks hammering them, that Fury isn't going to do anything to the adds whether they focus on them or not
hasty path
If raidleader gives you the job to blow up adds, you blow up adds. Simple as. Wo...
If they don’t need you to blow them up it’s on you to push back against the raid leader if they’re making a bad call and reason with them
restive peak
We have great ST in AOE spec compared to others, so ofc, but warlocks giga crush them
dense elbow
Rets ST on that fight is so good tho
edgy widget
If raidleader gives you the job to blow up adds, you blow up adds. Simple as. Wo...
again, if you balance that with the group makeup, sure
hasty path
Ya warlock just hard Carries last 2 bosses aoe
clever path
My raid lead wanted a few to do aoe, everyone else was pure ST
restive peak
Tbh I try to OF the 1s I don't break and then position to leggo w tons of stacks purely onto tindral
dense elbow
everyone but a few to do aoe?
clever path
fixed it
edgy widget
even then though, might is kinda superfluous on Tindral since you're only putting that extra damage into specific sets
restive peak
I would honestly likely run rezans IF I thought brand wasn't worth before I'd run might, not that i'd run rezans so noone runs with this comment lol
edgy widget
Unlike M+ where you can scale the size of your pull and killing a pack faster means moving to the next one quicker, in raid you're really just killing one set harder, so unless your raid is really hyper optimizing where people put CDs (which I highly doubt), it's probably just overkill
restive peak
^
dense elbow
Who knows, all I know I get told to blast thing - I blast thing
edgy widget
which tells me your raid probably isn't optimizing cds to that point
restive peak
Man I hope we announce 2 weeks off after tn and tms sales, speaking on tindral, I'm ready to wait til Fated lol
But there are always weird rushed buyers end of season so they'll never let me rest D:
dense elbow
Wouldnt there be rush buyers the final weeks?
restive peak
Yeah
slim coral
Ok I've worked up current sims for fury and arms for you guys to compare lmk what you guys think https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10g479vXesC382k68gw4akUKeuGUodbDho0yhKK6Eh0w/edit#gid=0
restive peak
Let me dream bae
edgy widget
Wouldnt there be rush buyers the final weeks?
always, as soon as the date is announced people realize they only have so much time left to get achieves and such
restive peak
Yikes dude fury down fuckin BAD if those sims are accurate
slim coral
They are accurate I have had them checked
restive peak
Ugh arms tier incoming
dense elbow
They will balance it, they said so, dont worry - we would not lose DPS s3 vs s2 on ST or AoE
restive peak
LOL blizzard and balance
dense elbow
trust
restive peak
Also ty Bazer ❤️
modest condor
and you can do it all again after they fix icon
slim coral
LOL blizzard and balance
Don't worry they will fix it 2 months in
like they did with arms
tropic cobalt
i think fury will suffer compared to arms in m+ though regardless
clever path
Jesus christ that damage difference
slim coral
and you can do it all again after they fix icon
tropic cobalt
cuz so many of the dungeons are such high target counts
clever path
i think fury will suffer compared to arms in m+ though regardless
The fact that we are probably gonna lose Shockwave is bad enough as it is
modest condor
yeah im pretty sure s3 has shown that taking shockwave in the standard build matters nothing
slim coral
because they didn't buff the tier set enough
restive peak
I mean the AOE is close and ST in AOE spec may still favour fury, so for M+ between those things + tankiness/dmg profile it may just be arms raid, fury M+
modest condor
that's some copium
dense elbow
Arms still got bleed uncapped AoE, no - while fury falls off a cliff after 8, no?
modest condor
yes
restive peak
Am I reading it wrong? Wtf are those bottom numbers?
clever path
Anyone have dps tier set increases for S4 like there was in S2 for S3
restive peak
Isn't that 1.04mil arms 1.062 fury for AOE
If fury does that every 45s, it's going to be perfectly viable in AOE still
fickle bluff
2% woww
dense elbow
Arms is going to have another tier of being just marginally worse on ST, but reck us on AoE on M+ pulls. While Fury does better in PuGs doing 8t pulls.
Ofc, this is before we get the tuning promised, so dont worry
quiet geyser
because they didn't buff the tier set enough
Our tier set is weird. Buffing the crit chance per stack seems nice.. since you can press BT more often, but it also means they're not gonna hit as hard cuz less stacks accumulated
clever path
young swan
Arms is going to have another tier of being just marginally worse on ST, but rec...
? arms is gapping fury by like 10%
even in m+ its not gonna be close
slim coral
Yeah you guys are gonna wanna relearn arms
wild mica
i have 0 trust in blizzard tuning properly, our only hope was to keep s3 set but people voted for mediocrity
slim coral
For now
restive peak
Better arm yourselves appropriately
indigo quarry
push MS on CD
restive peak
I accept lulz
wild mica
Better arm yourselves appropriately
clever path
i have 0 trust in blizzard tuning properly, our only hope was to keep s3 set but...
"voted"
restive peak
I just find arms pretty meh, I mean ofc I'm gonna play it if it's 10% better; early this season the MBG WW spam arms build was fun as fuck
Standard arms is boring AF
wild mica
playstyles can be meh while doing top damage, those 2 things are unrelated
indigo quarry
I just find arms pretty meh, I mean ofc I'm gonna play it if it's 10% better; ea...
illegal padding Sire
low folio
i dont like that arms people chose the boring tier
restive peak
No I'll find it meh to play, I think S2 fury is meh to play as well and played it all tier lol
ebon junco
MBG illegal
low folio
but i dont play arms that much so idk
quiet geyser
i have 0 trust in blizzard tuning properly, our only hope was to keep s3 set but...
In the defense, blizz specifically mentioned dont vote on performance, vote on preferred playstyle. Most people liked s2 playstyle. Not our fault blizz cant properly balance worth shit
restive peak
Low skill ceiling = meh, but killing bosses and getting title is not meh, so I'll do what I have to lol
wild mica
i wonder what title ends at this season
restive peak
I have enjoyed deeply friend D:
slim coral
I have enjoyed deeply friend D:
It's what they call the "last suffering"
clever path
Just gotta cope til we get bladestorm again
wild mica
Just gotta cope til we get bladestorm again <:copium:839076283467431956> <:copiu...
bladestorm is a big L
clever path
Maybe we reroll to Lincfisted
Monk?
quiet geyser
Fuck monk
dense elbow
Fury Bladestorm always felt nippy and effective, tho too weak in ST. If it is a netgain on ST, I do believe BS will be welcomed back by most of the community with a smile
barren dagger
last 2 weeks actually have good affixes....
slim coral
I might just go unholy when I'm not play arms
young swan
im excited for BS even tho i didnt want it back
restive peak
Last 2 weeks BIS push weeks
slim coral
I don't trust blizzard to fix fury
young swan
slayer makes it seem sick
slim coral
slayer makes it seem sick
clever path
Fury Bladestorm always felt nippy and effective, tho too weak in ST. If it is a ...
Unless you just kept BSing, it was fine on ST
restive peak
Slayer is hype
slim coral
If xan's happy I' happy
young swan
im mostly happy for new stuff
quiet geyser
Fury Bladestorm always felt nippy and effective, tho too weak in ST. If it is a ...
The fuck does BS have to do with ST damage? Has nothing to do with being able to use BS as much as fury just always being naturally tuned horribly in ST
young swan
real opinion will be formed when I get to play around with it
dense elbow
We all happy, till blizz notices, and we get the message that BS now does 1/4th of the damage it did perviously in other expansions
restive peak
Alpha is on the planned thinger before S4, so Alpha soon??
slim coral
real opinion will be formed when I get to play around with it
iun 2 weeks
slim coral
Alpha is on the planned thinger before S4, so Alpha soon??
Alpha is before s4
So it will be next week prob
or in 2 weeks
restive peak
Yeeee
clever path
The fuck does BS have to do with ST damage? Has nothing to do with being able to...
I made a macro that cancelled BS after getting the buff, don;t know if it'll be good for TWW
restive peak
We gonna be slayin
wild mica
we gonna be thunderclappin
dense elbow
If we got to cancel BS to get DPS output out of it, then it has failed.
restive peak
Clap clap bae
edgy widget
Assuming we're talking about Shadolwands and prior, it's because BS wasn't really built as a ST button - it was inherently a multitarget one
so no, it probably shouldn't have been very good in ST by design
the problem was just that things like Signet created conflict within that idea (which was frankly more of a signet problem than a bladestorm one)
wild mica
i'd love them to remove hurricane and balance the button properly instead
quiet geyser
= fury never really having a good ST option
dense elbow
Now we got hurricance Jr. too, so doubt that will happen
edgy widget
if we're talking about looking forward to Slayer, like Hurricane, the intent of things like Overwhelm is to provide that ST power (though whether or not it will be balanced well enough to do so remains to be seen)
restive peak
Let me just do anduin w gavel+signet 1 last time blizz
restive peak
Impatiently waiting
dense elbow
On andu, would you want boon or the bleed? 
edgy widget
lotta people forget that's one of the main reasons Hurricane exists - that damage buff provides the single target value that Bladestorm doesn't... deosn't really work out in practice though, since opportunity cost is a thing and the talent point economy doesn't really support taking Bladestorm+Hurricane over more obvious ST choices
restive peak
Boon, it's the 1 boss pad was BIS
edgy widget
Works out for Fury, since Ravager is easier to access and also provides a large chunk of rage generation without interfering with the normal rotation though
dense elbow
Why not have BS simply do enough DPS that it is a increase on ST in its own press? Goal is to spin-to-win after all
slim coral
The real issue is that bs sucks in dps
for a 1 and a half minute cd
compare it to roar and cleave
it's yikes
wild mica
Why not have BS simply do enough DPS that it is a increase on ST in its own pres...
"bladestorm does x% increased damage if it only hits 1 target"
quiet geyser
Why not have BS simply do enough DPS that it is a increase on ST in its own pres...
Because it was never ment to be a ST option. Archy already said, signet made it our ST option cuz fury never really had a good ST legendary
restive peak
That's what Archi means, making it great for ST would be busted and hurricane is supposed to help, but it is inherintly meant to be an AOE button
It will likely ALWAYS be an AOE button
dense elbow
What would be wrong with BS being good on ST and AoE? If that is supposed to be "the" button?
To myself, it just sounds like fun - spinning and winning
quiet geyser
If we're speaking towards shadowlands (when fury actually had BS), if you make BS pog in both AoE and ST, then the hell is the point of the other talents in its row?
restive peak
Cuz when you buff it to be good at ST it would absolutely fuck on AOE
edgy widget
What would be wrong with BS being good on ST and AoE? If that is supposed to be ...
there's nothing inherently wrong with it, but it is a tricky balance making something good in one area without becoming OP in another
you can use artificial bonuses like Hurricane or even more specific stuff like "deals X% damage to single targets", but that also has failures (it gets gimmicky and gamey)
there's also something to be said for variety - do you (as a hypothetical designer designing for a wide range of players) want Bladestorm to be the central focus of the spec used in all situations?
dense elbow
Sounds like the Hero tree wants it to be, no?
edgy widget
Sort of, but the hero tree is something extra that you elect to take, it's not part of the base kit
dense elbow
Could be the designer is pushing the wrong idea, it is supposed to be AoE only
edgy widget
it also has competing options; if you don't like that Bladestorm focus, you can take Mountain Thane, or Colossus, or whatever instead
quiet geyser
Bruh i cant wait to be a warcraft 3 blade master
dense elbow
So why is it so wrong that bladestorm does actual ST damage in the herotree that opens for that?
quiet geyser
So why is it so wrong that bladestorm does actual ST damage in the herotree that...
You're under the assumption that it won't be. Maybe it will? No1 knows what blizz has cooking for next expansion
quiet geyser
Its already kind of confirmed warriors are getting some good changes
edgy widget
So why is it so wrong that bladestorm does actual ST damage in the herotree that...
nobody said it was wrong (and fwiw, it does)
dense elbow
Ye, TWW looking to be dope
People keep telling that BS shouldnt be designed to do ST and AoE damage, is what I am reading over and over. While I just want bladestorm to be the damage button
quiet geyser
That was strictly for the iteration of BS we've seen so far. It didnt make sense for it to be super strong in both ST and AoE
dense elbow
If we get into the situation where on ST, you cancel BS at any point, it has failed
quiet geyser
For futute content, who the hell knows
restive peak
We're not saying shouldn't, we're saying it's extremely hard to balance appropriately and usually either ends with it being 1. Useless or 2. Busted
edgy widget
People keep telling that BS shouldnt be designed to do ST and AoE damage, is wha...
I don't think anyone said that it shouldn't, I think what was said is that it isn't designed for that
but there are (at least theoretical) reasons you might not want it to be, as I outlined above
dense elbow
I am too simpleminded, I don't mind if it is busted, I just want it to be as easy as this: I press button, I spin, I win
restive peak
Ok but busted means nerfs and affects balance lol
dense elbow
No "if 3 stacks of XY and Z, cancelaura" and that jazz. Simple, press and do damage, smile.
quiet geyser
I am too simpleminded, I don't mind if it is busted, I just want it to be as eas...
You sir would have loved arms pvp in wotlk
dense elbow
I probably would, if that infer you spin to win
edgy widget
No "if 3 stacks of XY and Z, cancelaura" and that jazz. Simple, press and do dam...
that's exactly why you can't easily make BS a strong ST and MT button though - without those kinds of effects, it would either be strong in ST and obscene in MT, or strong in MT and weak in ST
restive peak
Oh did you ever; you spun and you won back then LOL
dense elbow
Is Fury warrior really in such a strong AoE situation, where BS doing damage on ST and AoE would be problematic?
edgy widget
I mean we don't have BS right now, so it's hard to gauge at this point in time, but generally yeah - that's why split damage exists in the first place
restive peak
Because raid fights are sometimes designed w add phases and 1 of the puzzle pieces to prog is balancing ST/AOE across your group, and that would break it
dense elbow
We already great at add AoE tho
low folio
i mean bladestorm on fury is cooler than arms. goes by much faster so less globabls lost on it. as long as it works like it did before it was taken
restive peak
So your solution is we should be even better at ST in AOE spec, while doing higher AOE than now?
That right there explains the issue involved
edgy widget
there's also something to be said for variety - do you (as a hypothetical design...
Again though, you missed or ignored my previous comment about variety and design intent - should BS be the central focus of the class/spec in the first place?
Some people might say yes, some people might say no, now design for both
restive peak
It's already kinda our 1 niche; we can do solid ST while in AOE spec
dense elbow
So, because of the design wants, Bladestorm must/should be a DPS loss on ST, because balance - there is no way to allow the press of BS to be a ST gain.
low folio
i just like the talents of slayer for M+ seems kinda neat
restive peak
You think you want to be busted; you don't, we'll get fuckin nuked to oblivion, there needs to be give and take
Yes, or bladestorm must be an ST button that's just visually AOE without doing AOE
Can't have it all
dense elbow
In my head, they just adjust the overall if needed, damage profile can differ
edgy widget
So, because of the design wants, Bladestorm must/should be a DPS loss on ST, bec...
I feel like you're only reading half the conversation tbf - nobody said there's no way to allow BS to be a ST gain - there obviously is
I already pointed out several of them
restive peak
It would create a litiny of issues that are simply avoided by keeping it as is
edgy widget
No "if 3 stacks of XY and Z, cancelaura" and that jazz. Simple, press and do dam...
but you want that, you also need this; you'd be really hard pressed to make it do competitive damage in ST and the same damage to each additional target without some kind of extra effects or modifiers involved
That's a scaling problem
quiet geyser
So, because of the design wants, Bladestorm must/should be a DPS loss on ST, bec...
I mean, dude you keep referencing bladestorm in current time when we dont even have bladestorm. Kind of hard to dispute
dense elbow
I am simple minded, as stated. I don't see a problem of having a button being good on ST and AoE, when it is front and center in the herotree.
edgy widget
I feel like it's been explained repeatedly though
dense elbow
Would be very weird to cancelaura the "button" of that build.
edgy widget
and nobody said Slayer is going to cancel BS in the first place
Slayer very clearly is setup to allow BS to be more of a ST gain, through the use of secondary modifiers like "hurricane jr"
sick viper
no Booty Warrior hero tree next xpac gonna be trash
dense elbow
That would mean, if hurricane Jr is at X stacks, and you got a bonus add, then you cancelaura BS for more globals inside Hurricane Jr. Something I believe would be quite stupid.
If the bonus procs grant stacks and it refreshes and that jazz.
We dont know yet - but I can still say, I dont want that.
I simply put: As simply as I can: Simply want: Simple: Press - spin to win, smile
low folio
as long as slayer is good and strong for dungeons me happy
dense elbow
Both look strong to me, but who will win - we dont know, hopefully they are both within a good balance point
low folio
the other one seems less exiting to me
dense elbow
Mountain King visually looks to be fun, thunder bolts and lightning - yet, I prefer Bladestorm, cause that is very warrior in my head :p
edgy widget
I simply put: As simply as I can: Simply want: Simple: Press - spin to win, smil...
and this is exactly why balance and design aren't as easy as most people think
ionic mortar
i think the inclusion of execute stuff in the slayer tree hints that bladestorm won't be tuned to be insane in st
quiet geyser
That would mean, if hurricane Jr is at X stacks, and you got a bonus add, then y...
I mean, its worded that the longer you stay in BS (or more tics going out), the higher your damage. Severely doubt you'll cancelaura it
edgy widget
i think the inclusion of execute stuff in the slayer tree hints that bladestorm ...
I mean it doesn't need to be insane, it just needs to be worth using, and (without having seen real numbers yet), the effects imply it should be
ionic mortar
true
heavy sparrow
They could if they allowed you to use other abilities in between bladestorm
dense elbow
Lets say, BS falls off as the optimal ST GCD room at 4 stacks, it runs up to 6 stacks. Then you cancel it at 4 stacks. Lets say you can stack up with procs, so you start at 2, then you cancel earlier. And so on.
I dont want that - I want pure spin, whole duration, only win.
ionic mortar
i'm just hoping it's cracked in keys because blizzard hasn't figured out how to make specs that are mostly capped low to actually be best at those low target counts
heavy sparrow
But in order to avoid storm doing crazy burst they would have to increase the duration, although if you could use other abilities in between it wouldn't be a problem
dense elbow
Nothing wrong with burst damage, that gets better every tier? Will make BS super fun at the tailend at close to max haste
heavy sparrow
It's basically ravager 2.0
low folio
i mean they might actually just prevent the ability to cancelaura bladestorm like what hurricane does
dense elbow
That will just stop you from using bladestorm at all, if it is a ST decrease? Sounds kinda like the worst of both worlds
low folio
they did add bneing able to kick and stun in bs
dense elbow
Ye, in AoE it is likely to be better than ever. Problem is ST
low folio
good thing its season 4
heavy sparrow
The solution is frankly simple, allow usage of other skills during bladestorm
sullen dove
u guys rly just been talkin about bladestorm for the last half hour huh
dense elbow
Bladestorm is worth it
sullen dove
just hit button and ignore 
heavy sparrow
And i don't mean just pummel or other utility stuff
low folio
i would think the debuff it stacks would make it worth it overall to use even if it cant be canceled
dense elbow
They should make it so BS gives all buff modifiers on press, then autocancel if you press any other ability. Then you dont use BS as BS, but as avatar on GCD 
low folio
although are they making fury bladestorm the same as arms or is the one we had before DF coming back. if its the fast bladestorm i wouldnt see a problem using it in single target for the debuff
ionic mortar
i hope next xpac there are tons of knockbacks and roots and we're just out here spinning like gods
heavy sparrow
Please don't remind me, i'm honestly perfectly satisfied with ravager
It's BS that i have problems with, at least the current version
dense elbow
Then you got Mountain King to play :D
If they dont remove ravager, it also got CDR for it built in
heavy sparrow
Hopefully
I don't straight up hate BS, but compared to ravager, no thanks
Maybe once in a while just to switch up playstile i will try slayer
dense elbow
This be the way to play the game 
try something, then try something new there after - have fun with the options
low folio
as an ability itself, ravager seems broing to me, i can understand some people not likeing BS i guess but i dont see the joy of ravager
heavy sparrow
Becuase ravager is basically a better version of BS mechanically speaking, aside utility bs really has nothing better
sick viper
aidsstorm
low folio
idk i like the feeling of pressing bladestorm in aoe. i dont get any type of feeling from using ravager outside of its rage gen increase
edgy widget
Becuase ravager is basically a better version of BS mechanically speaking, aside...
not strictly true - the ability to control bladestorm movement is a huge advantage
heavy sparrow
Iv'e suggested a couple of times to allow usage of other skills such as cleave, MS etc during BS, that would basically solve all the issues i have with bs as far as im concerned
quiet geyser
What i find interesting, is the developer's note "fury will have access to bladestorm via specialization talents", so not only do you HAVE to actually talent into it for the whole slayer hero tree to work, but where they putting it? Most likely scenario is replacing rav or choice nodding it
heavy sparrow
Yea i consider that utility
edgy widget
What i find interesting, is the developer's note "fury will have access to blade...
probably replacing rav
edgy widget
Yea i consider that utility
I wouldn't, one of the main failure points of Ravager is how it tracks targets
hard widget
Im actually curious how that would impact our build
edgy widget
certainly you could redesign some of those things to be better, like moving to the center of targets instead of stopping at the edge, but you also have issues where Ravager decides to follow one target instead of another, gets stuck on the environment, etc
hard widget
Using BS for a few sec in ur cd's especially on an AM build would feel a bit rough dont you think?
heavy sparrow
You talk about that but frankly speaking i rarely had that issue, like i think this is one of those things that happen, but it's not enough of an issue for me to complain about
quiet geyser
Using BS for a few sec in ur cd's especially on an AM build would feel a bit rou...
Mind you, fury iteration of BS was hastened, so it doesnt last THAT long
dense elbow
Think the majority of players would be happy if BS replaced Odyn's. As that would allow them to go both, if builds allow it, or keep to their prefered thing.
As OF is usually disliked as a button.
Think about it - rav and BS going off at once, the numberdance.
errant vessel
Think the majority of players would be happy if BS replaced Odyn's. As that woul...
Who dislikes Odyns more than BS?????
hard widget
Mind you, fury iteration of BS was hastened, so it doesnt last THAT long
Yeah thats fair, but as fury you hate downtime, so having BS in there is going to feel weird i think haha
quiet geyser
Think the majority of players would be happy if BS replaced Odyn's. As that woul...
Having both bs and rav would be weird
dense elbow
Think of the blender of numbers tho
sullen dove
real
hard widget
Yeah but in Shadowlands it was also MBG tho
dense elbow
What if - they just bake in unhinged into bladestorm, to make it always usuable on ST - but it wont affect MT?
low folio
whats mgb
heavy sparrow
Id rather have OF frankly speaking than it being replaced by BS
But i also think Of is somewhat undertuned
dense elbow
It really is
quiet geyser
Yeah thats fair, but as fury you hate downtime, so having BS in there is going t...
Tbh I don't think fury's BS is coming back. I think it'll be the same as arms. The imminent demise talent in the slayer tree says "using sudden death accelerates your next bladestorm, striking 1 additional time. Bladestorms total duration is unchanged". While not fully confirming, but it sounds like it wont be hastened
low folio
oh i forgot that existed. but i mean i liked pressing bladestorm in aoe packs regardless. i wasnt worrying about the downtime
dapper goblet
fury bladestorm goes hard
heavy sparrow
The ability itself doesn't do enough damage, and the capstones are very underwhelming
errant vessel
Merciless Bonegrinder
Merciless Gonebrinder
sullen dove
goonbinder
heavy sparrow
Compared to onslaught, which generates a lot of rage, procs cd, etc etc
hard widget
Tbh I don't think fury's BS is coming back. I think it'll be the same as arms. T...
All we can do is speculate till the numbers are there tbh
unreal onyx
we got CE babbyyyy
errant vessel
Goonbonker
heavy sparrow
Just not strong enough
dense elbow
Gz Lolxd!
dense elbow
Hey, you had 4 weeks to spare
unreal onyx
36 log 
unreal onyx
dense elbow
So - did you get the quest item #2?
dense elbow
unreal onyx
no mount
dense elbow
stupid corrupt lootcouncil
thorny peak
3 weeks till season 4 my salts gonna be thru the roof
sick viper
fuck 3 weeks left and we havent gotten to p3 yet
humble plover
It dies when u get there
dense elbow
4 weeks left, no? You got this
cold jolt
fuck 3 weeks left and we havent gotten to p3 yet
Nerfs
humble plover
Nah it's 3
cold jolt
Should be killable this week
young swan
fuck 3 weeks left and we havent gotten to p3 yet
its okay p3 kinda falls over after a couple pulls
you'll get it
cold jolt
P2 is easy if you don’t have random deaths
Plus the cages
Should be dead soon for you and o
I
unreal onyx
p3 is free if you handle seeds and bring tornados out
next reset's nerfs are quite big too
I think
sick viper
there's gonna be more nerfs?
snow edge
They already announced nerfs for this reset
snow edge
No more after that, very very unlikely
sick viper
next reset's nerfs are quite big too
this shit confused me lol
thorny peak
carry me to CE loljk
unreal onyx
I just got carried to CE wdym
thorny peak
i need tindral my hands started aching after seeing that
unreal onyx
(surely I carried my own weight )
thorny peak
i saw tindral*
unreal onyx
not my best season but 9/9 is 9/9
unreal onyx
yea this season roster boss kicked our ass for the entire season
dapper goblet
tender seal
not my best season but 9/9 is 9/9
Gz on CE king
unreal onyx
tender seal
As u said, CE is CE
restive peak
HOF weekly sales reclears no 496 augury, you don't know pain friend
high basin
sudden tusk
@edgy widget Think they are ever gonna fix the tooltip
edgy widget
Yeah, once they get through the other other 900 tooltips in line ahead of it
sudden tusk
lmao
modest condor
wasnt there a typo in tenderize as well or something?
yeah there is, it says slaghtering strikes
serene moat
Chatgpt will fix it for them. 😁
modest condor
if you want to macro then reck is the most ideal one, but in the end macros are just a crutch
cold jolt
ty ty wont macro
edgy widget
I think you can pretty safely macro those two, though if you really wanted to game an extra second or two out of the buff you could use it manually with OF (or ava, whichever comes first) instead
sick viper
youre granting everyone audience to your failiures?
tidal kindle
Im streaming tonight so I can review better my mistakes in real time
YMMV but I personally don't like going in real time
Do a nice rewatch session later that night or the next day when I'm a little fresher
hard widget
The fact he wants to stream to watch back and learn means he's already putting in a lot more effort than most people are
cold jolt
how else can i improve
cold jolt
i understand the rotation mostly, but my uptime is bad
like my time im on the boss
i suspect its my dodging tyhat im, over dodging
hard widget
how else can i improve
Dont mind it mate, its a good thing that you want to improve and try other ways to achieve that ^^
cold jolt
ty ty
i have a lot of good players as friends so i suspect they will come in and meme me
i used to play at a decent lvl as a ranged player
but now i dont play ranged bc i dont rally like it
but i dont like doing bad
but i guess never playing melee ever will do that
summer quail
how else can i improve
you can compare your logs to top players, but honestly if you can do that and watch your stream for mistakes as well that's perfect
cold jolt
yeah i am going top be doing that
hard widget
Maybe you could watch some vods from high level players as well
To see how they maintain uptime, or manage their cooldowns
cold jolt
yeah ill be doign that as well
yeah
ohg that remidns me i ened to see where ppl launch cds
bc ive been holding on 2nd dream rend for shield
hard widget
Its usually easier to understand than reading warcraftlogs
summer quail
gonna assume you've seen critcakes video? he has a good video
cold jolt
yeah i did
its hard for me to like
fulyl understand what im doing wrong without seeing it
bc it "feels" like i dont have downtime
but i do
so i guess im trying to mimic it but i dont do it well
sick viper
how much dps u doin after downtime?
cold jolt
like sometimes ppl will say i have a jank rotation
btu 5thats mostly bc the boss runs out of my aa range while im dodghing
hard widget
What does a "jank" rotation mean?
cold jolt
so i have to do something wieird
like
theres some exampkles in log rteview
im very certain i was dodging heree
which is still a problem
hard widget
I see
cold jolt
bc theres a few of those
just need more repepittion and to see a guideline o nwhere to start
maybe optimisaing my burst windows better too
summer rain
ayo Archi if you still reading in you pin you specualate we get 12 dinars, where exactly does that speculation come from?
hard widget
What helps a lot is to just go to a dummy, and mindlessly spamming the priotity list till u can dream it
Then add movement into it
cold jolt
yeah i should be doing tht as well
hard widget
Then when you feel comfortable you cut down on the prio to only involve enough to get u over that 80 rage mark (ending on a bloodthirst/bb) and ramp again -> repeat
cold jolt
yeah i need to also be not ramping at 80
i usuyally do it around 90 ish b4 io startted to practice that
bc there is dead zoens then
hard widget
You want to always end on a bloodthirst unless ur in cd's or over 110 rage i believe is the cutoff
hard widget
Your cycle
hard widget
Your normal cycle looks like bloodbath -> slam -> bloodthirst -> whirlwind -> bloodthirst -> ramp -> repeat
hard widget
The more rage you build, you can cut stuff out of that, for example in your cds you build so much rage that you can ramp -> bb on repeat
summer rain
Recklessness is what generates so much rage that nyou can go Ramp -> bb -> repeat
hard widget
In m+ scenarios it gets a bit more complicated as your 5th global has to be whirlwind to cleave
But you always want to have bloodthirst or bloodbath in between your "fillers" being WW/Slam
cold jolt
hmm okk ty ty
hard widget
And if you are not in Reck / under 110 rage, you end the cycle with a bloodthirst
To avoid running out of globals to press on your next cycle
hard widget
If you do your cycle like i said above, you will never run out of buttons to press
hard widget
In cd's you dont need to press all of em like that, and it could happen that you proc reck or etc which builds u more rage so u can skip parts of it
But the idea stays the same
hard widget
yeah my bb bt usage are low
Our entire tierset is revolved around BB/BT so you want to use it between every global to reduce the CD on Odyns Fury
Depending on aoe / st
cold jolt
so lets say i start my opener
hard widget
If you AOE you always want to use ww as 5th global to have meatcleaver stacks
hard widget
That opener is not correct
cold jolt
is it not ramp bb until over?
hard widget
You Reck -> charge -> ww while charging -> ramp -> odyns -> roar -> bb -> ramp -> bb -> avatar + ww -> bb -> ramp -> bb -> ww etc etc
hard widget
Same thing just cut out the whirlwind
cold jolt
yeah i roar after odtns
hard widget
And replace roar for spear
hard widget
You want to use reck before charging tho so you build more rage from your charge
dapper goblet
cold jolt
oo ty ty
proper peak
I finally get a trinket from throne to show up in my vault and its crab and not ocean
cold jolt
gg
fleet sorrel
meager void
I finally get a trinket from throne to show up in my vault and its crab and not ...
I would sim it. Don't be like me that dismissed a 489 Ember because dumb.
bitter palm
crab is really good
for a passive
one of the best
just behind augury on dps for me
left perch
strength
young swan
What are pve stats for fury?
lots of vers and mastery with a healthy spattering of haste and crit
but sim ur guy
brittle snow
and for arms it would be crit haste right?
young swan
yeah something like that
young swan
generally speaking fury stats are better for arms than arms stats are for fury
if you're planning on playing both
but that was more true last season than current season cause fury wanted a ton of haste
they're probably equally bad for each other now that i think about it
oblique trail
Last I saw, at worst it's like 5% of a diffie having full optimised Arms stats for Fury
It'd make a difference but you can play either spec really regardless
cold jolt
cant raid tonight unlucky
fleet sorrel
@misty edge die
misty edge
thick elbow
anyone noticing keys seem way harder than usual or is it just me
mortal rock
how will fury warrior be in season 4 ?
tidal kindle
Last I saw, at worst it's like 5% of a diffie having full optimised Arms stats f...
What am I playing in reclear tn
Arms or fury
oblique trail
What am I playing in reclear tn
GArms
tidal kindle
oblique trail
You deserve it
oblique trail
how will fury warrior be in season 4 ?
It'll be mostly the same to how it was in S2 if you played then, however relative to other specs it's a bit too early to say if they'll do more tuning or not. Good in keys, but not amazing in raid
oblique trail
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
Having first reclear tomorrow (for me) but only gnarl, igira and smoldie
ruby tundra
is it just me or is my dps really low if I dont have cds
oblique trail
Haven't done them in 3 months at this point xd
oblique trail
is it just me or is my dps really low if I dont have cds
That's how it usually works
tidal kindle
Having first reclear tomorrow (for me) but only gnarl, igira and smoldie
Wanna trade?
oblique trail
Wouldn't mind it..
Tindral and Fyrakk extend prison since early Jan has made me want to reclear
not good for mental nor parses
ruby tundra
That's how it usually works
how do I manage my cds then
oblique trail
You use them on CD
ruby tundra
cuz I am doing like 60-70mil less dps than the other dps in my team
oblique trail
I hope you don't do that much less dps
ruby tundra
difference in ilvl as well but yea basically
oblique trail
But as a rule of thumb, use your CDs together, and use them whenever they're ready (in the right order)
There are nuances like holding your CDs if you get them at the end of a pack as it's about to die
ruby tundra
But as a rule of thumb, use your CDs together, and use them whenever they're rea...
I pop recklessness and then OF, when the avatar buff is done I pop avatar
oblique trail
Or if the pack you're on dies quickly, and the next pack/boss is deadlier
oblique trail
I pop recklessness and then OF, when the avatar buff is done I pop avatar
Assuming you rampage before OF (if running Dancing Blades) and roar after OF, then that's fine
brittle galleon
When I press button, it doesn't make big number?
oblique trail
The important thing though in AoE is keeping your WW stacks up at all times really
ruby tundra
Assuming you rampage before OF (if running Dancing Blades) and roar after OF, th...
oh I do not rampage before OF
ruby tundra
The important thing though in AoE is keeping your WW stacks up at all times real...
yes I do that
oblique trail
oh I do not rampage before OF
Do you run Titanic Rage or Dancing Blades
The Odyn's Fury choice node
ruby tundra
Do you run Titanic Rage or Dancing Blades
titanic rage
oblique trail
Then it's fine to not rampage before OF, since it's to enrage yourself if you're running Dancing Blades
I'd use Dancing Blades however instead, unless you're doing such low keys where packs die before your CDs are over most of the time
Since not only does it increase your priority target damage, it also is a sizable ST/boss increase
Titanic is mostly just for the quality of life and ease of play
ruby tundra
Im doing +18s/+20s
ruby tundra
Since not only does it increase your priority target damage, it also is a sizabl...
i'll try it out then tysm
oblique trail
If you do, the opener is mostly the same, except you Reck + Charge (+ Whirlwind if AoE) -> Ramp -> OF to make sure you're enraged before the OF is cast
And you'd WW again as you use Avatar
ruby tundra
And you'd WW again as you use Avatar
doesnt OF give the same effect as WW
oblique trail
Only if you have Titanic Rage talented
ruby tundra
oh yea
oblique trail
Dancing Blades does not enrage you nor give you WW stacks
Laid out plain it'd be
Reck + Charge (+ Whirlwind if AoE) -> Ramp -> OF - > Roar -> BB -> Ramp -> Avatar as your Avatar from OF falls off (+ WW if AoE) -> BB -> Ramp and so on
ruby tundra
ah ok ok tysm
mortal rock
It'll be mostly the same to how it was in S2 if you played then, however relativ...
ok ty
brittle galleon
I'm going nuts. I have read guides and feel pretty comfortable with the order of the rotation, but I sim 60k higher than what I can do on the target dummy and idk what I'm doing wrong
can anyone direct me towards where I can go to figure out what I'm doing wrong?
oblique trail
Are you simming target dummy or patchwerk with full raid buffs
ruby tundra
can anyone direct me towards where I can go to figure out what I'm doing wrong?
Log your m+ or something and post it
oblique trail
If you sim patchwerk with full raid buffs there'd be a very big disparity indeed
But if you sim target dummy and you're close to whatever you sim there, then you're doing fine
brittle galleon
I'm actually higher by 15k
oblique trail
You can run into some awkward things in practice where the dummy goes under 35%, enabling Vicious Contempt
Where as the target dummy sim will stay at 100%
brittle galleon
I try to do 5 minute pulls on the dummy and reset when pot is off cd
oblique trail
I'm actually higher by 15k
If you have bshout and/or consumables active, this is fairly normal
Keep in mind training dummy sims disable everything (including consumes)
brittle galleon
Should I not practice with them then to get a more accurate idea?
muted star
you can sim patchwerk and pick exactly what consumes you have on
oblique trail
Comparing yourself to a target dummy sim is more about if you understand the rotation
oblique trail
you can sim patchwerk and pick exactly what consumes you have on
Patchwerk sims also go into execute, unless you force it not to
brittle galleon
exactly
that is all I'm trying to do. I wanna make sure I hit my buttons fast and in the right order
oblique trail
Then just turn off consumes/bshout and hit the dummy for 5 min and compare
That's about it
brittle galleon
sick, I'm happy to know the difference with the sims
I thought I was just completely missing something with the rotation
oblique trail
There might be something you've missed, like smaller nuances, but if you're slightly above the target dummy sim with bshout/consumes you've understood it mostly
brittle galleon
Now its just focusing on movement/mechs
oblique trail
You'll get that down through experience
brittle galleon
also, using axe only after Avatar buff is done correct?
oblique trail
Before or after CDs, while enraged
Usually it's after CDs since you've also stacked Frenzy by then, although it comes down to the fight you're on since some have slightly different use timers
brittle galleon
okay, that is what I've been doing. We're progging Smolderon so everything is a little off to fit into the CD windows but I think I get the idea for the most part
The burst in intermission I mean
oblique trail
Top loggers use on Smolderon is a bit loose
brittle galleon
I see that on Lorggs
oblique trail
Some use it only in intermission, some use it whenever
The most important part on Smolderon is just getting your CD usage right in the intermission, including delaying the orbs properly
brittle galleon
is it worth moving away from targets with leap just to charge back for rage?
oblique trail
No
brittle galleon
I ready that somewhere, but I'll only do that to survive
oblique trail
If you do your rotation right, you'll only have the very rare downtime for half a GCD at most
brittle galleon
it never made sense to force downtime just to generate rage
oblique trail
And if you ever have to charge weave, it's better to just walk slightly out of the range of the boss and charge back in
In particular if the boss is already moving a bit
dapper goblet
brittle galleon
also, is there a guide on Rage pooling?
young swan
thats not a thing anymore really
oblique trail
The extent of this is using BT while enraged and you can rampage
So 80+ rage, enraged, BT is ready, you'd BT first then rampage
80-110 rage range iirc is the optimal, but I tend to do it regardless unless I'm rage capped since it smooths the rotation out, and goes in hand with using BT every other GCD
So BT - X - BT - X - BT etc
Which is a good rule of thumb to follow
oblique trail
What I mean is that if you're in the scenario that you're enraged, you're at 80+ rage, and you have BT ready
Instead of just rampaging immediately, you'd BT first, then rampage
tidal kindle
@oblique trail why play arms bro
oblique trail
Since it means you'd be able to BT again immediately after the rampage
brittle galleon
bt or bb
oblique trail
Either or
brittle galleon
gotcha, wanted to make sure they were synonymous
tidal kindle
That is unethical trinket RNG
brittle galleon
I really appreciate the help @oblique trail
oblique trail
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WGZcbA4fRXJ1QTqa#fight=5&type=damage-done&s...
that is vile
oblique trail
I really appreciate the help <@102464908976730112>
np, just ask in here if any further questions or something you don't understand
And considering Fury is changing in a few weeks, you can probably find a lot of answers just by reading in here
oblique trail
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WGZcbA4fRXJ1QTqa#fight=5&type=damage-done&s...
Kinda sadge fatal mark tho..
Guess it popped outside of damage buff
slim coral
Fatal mark inside the damage buff is nuts
covert blaze
?
skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up...
young swan
couldnt have said it better myself zhai
covert blaze
garms playing on the chinese client frfr
cold jolt
skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up...
fleet sorrel
mild thunder
0.055% wipe to Fyrakk. My Brand did 3.2m less than our other warrior. 795k HP wipe. :|
ashen mantle
wait time for ques are sooooooooo lng
it kills pvp for me
6 minutes a match holy moly man
sullen dove
but also any one single person could’ve done something differently to do 800k more boss dam prolly
covert blaze
but also any one single person could’ve done something differently to do 800k mo...
looking at healer's dot uptime angle
sullen dove
real
brittle galleon
Can I macro Recklessness and Odins together, or do they have to be staggered?
or maybe recklessness and Power pot?
sullen dove
you can do both, you wouldnt really want to do the first one in any situation, but the second one is a little more reasonable
left perch
you can do both, you wouldnt really want to do the first one in any situation, but the second one is a little more reasonable
sullen dove
but again if you have the open slots youd prolly rather have pot on its own keybind too just to like... yknow have more control over when you hit it and way more clearly be able to see its cooldown, instead of it being hidden away behind reck
vhys — Today at 10:15 PM
you can do both, you wouldnt really want to do the first one in any situation, but the second one is a little more reasonable
cold jolt
i got the auguruy lets goo
sullen dove
from wha
cold jolt
hjeroic fyrak
sullen dove
pog
cold jolt
our lock out got hostaged
cold jolt
ya its fine theyre getting banned, recrutiment discord is also dealingf with them
quaint niche
is anyone available for some m+ tips? im doing way below what simc says i should be doing. i averaged 98k throughout the dungeon and should be doing 148k for patchwerk
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fXBRQNQWNDAQGRVX6adRJo
young swan
is anyone available for some m+ tips? im doing way below what simc says i should...
part of that is gonna be low m+ just not having enough damage to be dealt, but another factor is almost certainly related to execution. Would firstly recommend hitting a dummy with wowhead open for a while until you have at least a relatively decent understanding of the rotation and secondly watch some fury warrior content on youtube or twitch so you can learn dungeons without actually being in them. A large part of doing big dam in m+ is correct CD usage and not dying so if you're messing up on either front your numbers are gonna be significantly worse than they otherwise could be
quaint niche
okay thanks!
young swan
couple recommendations for content creators would be noxiv, critcake, bizentein
all very good players, critcake and biz both upload pretty regularly on youtube
Im not sure if noxiv has a youtube channel but I know he streams push keys pretty often
quaint niche
okay, ill definitely have to check them out. ive been a longtime fury main, but can never seem to get the rotation down
left perch
couple recommendations for content creators would be noxiv, critcake, bizentein
young swan
yeah definitely watching better players play and trying to figure out why they're doing what they're doing helps a TON
left perch
all very good players, critcake and biz both upload pretty regularly on youtube
young swan
are u ok
raw shuttle
keep in mind the rotation will change again for s4
young swan
keep in mind the rotation will change again for s4
this is true, but the rotation isnt fundamentally all that different
skills have different names but it mostly follows the same cadence
sullen dove
wut da hell is this
sullen dove
sometimes it goes instancia
young swan
i got nothin for ya mr fish
left perch
addons seems like
you have a debug level error problem on instancia.thisLine 1 1
which honestly sounds like developer left a console log in a release version lmao
sullen dove
i think it stopped after i uncollapsed my details window to not show 1 person
like reducing its height to 0
but also this portals weakaura seems to be not happy with some luas or somethin
covert blaze
the errors are in portuguese so i doubt it's on blizzard's end
feral ivy
junior gale
all depends on your current stats
timid parrot
is arms or fury better for overall dps?
junior gale
gear questions are all answered by simming most of the time yeah gnarl mace is usually better
but again all depends on ur current gear and stats
compact knot
pvp related but this shit geniuenly is so much fun for no reason
lagged even my super computer
m+ in pvp
left perch
I’m not even sure what I’m looking at
bitter palm
pvp
livid void
When I use plater it gets rid of the buff bar above my nameplate, anyone know how to get it back?
The reck and stacks of ww will not show with plater on
figured it out nvm
lean heart
chat i got the bird
arctic valley
How are you getting your flightstones for upgrades? I always have tons of crests and ever enought flightstones. What's the best farm method
young swan
chat i got the bird
gz!
stable pewter
dumb question but does this only activate when you equip both slots
lean heart
yes
young swan
How are you getting your flightstones for upgrades? I always have tons of crests...
i believe its still doing seeds in the emerald dream
sullen dove
arctic valley
Dang only getting max 15 per seed if epic one
young swan
yeah its still not great
fickle bluff
lagged even my super computer
your computer has nothing to do with servers, only fps could be impacted on your end
covert blaze
How are you getting your flightstones for upgrades? I always have tons of crests...
m+
unreal onyx
How are you getting your flightstones for upgrades? I always have tons of crests...
I farm doti rise +2s with alts/low io players. Gives base flightstones + extra ones for io increase. Takes like 15min max and you have a chance at a mount and tmog
Idk if that is the most effective way tho
I think my pb time was like 9min
covert blaze
Idk if that is the most effective way tho
it is
seeds get capped daily after a certain point iirc
cold jolt
hey xan
is there a situation where if i have a 483 might and 483 rezan, i would use augury in one of the slots
sorry thayt was worded bad
wanton mirage
got a flying carpet ... EZ
covert blaze
sims tell me to replace might
and why are you doubting sims
young swan
moto is only useful for bosses where theres add spawns on a 1:30 timer or the boss dies on a 1:30 timer
wanton mirage
Bonami, time to move on with those crap gears that will go useless in... 3 weeks
young swan
oh moto also sick for bosses with damage amps
covert blaze
yeah moto broken on smolderon
cold jolt
ty ty
unreal onyx
Cant wait to not get icon/oce next season
Or signet + anvil
Im unsure if my guild will be raiding myth next tier, some people wanna slow down during s4
I hope we still get 20 people together
wanton mirage
I will just be slowly working the Meta achievement to get Tavian throughout Season4
covert blaze
Cant wait to not get icon/oce next season
are you not gonna use the vendor or something
unreal onyx
I will just be slowly working the Meta achievement to get Tavian throughout Seas...
Thought of doing the same, but some achievments are really not my jam
unreal onyx
are you not gonna use the vendor or something
Depends what I prioritize
If we get 3 tokens it’s propably ashkandur, aug + ? Angle
flat river
Hello
Sorry guys for yesterday
I will behave myself from now on
My cooking went too far yesterday 😅
sullen dove
tardy lark
eternal sundial
If we get 3 tokens it’s propably ashkandur, aug + ? Angle
You get 6
It's lego, vault rings, ashk, icon and brand/sark cape with the 99% chance IMO
If you natty lego buy brand
eternal sundial
flat river
wasn't it 12?
flat river
Why would it be 12
compact knot
its 2 dinars per item (confirmed on ptr), believed to be 12 total (unconfirmed)
cold jolt
Yeah I said my bad
flat river
ah kk
cold jolt
But I didn’t actually know so I shouldn’t say anything
flat river
real
compact knot
smf could maybe compete with tg if lego and ashkandur didnt exist and we just had generic ass 2 handers
cold jolt
I just can’t troll too hard like I was before
flat river
can we do anything about incorperals this week?
eternal sundial
@flat river 🇮🇱
covert blaze
can we do anything about incorperals this week?
no
you can shattering throw but it's dogshit
royal oxide
can we do anything about incorperals this week?
Only minor things like stun, fear and interrupt.
flat river
should i skip taking stormbolt and take fear this week then?
covert blaze
take both?
royal oxide
Take neither and yell at your DPS and healer to do it 
flat river
what do i drop
eternal sundial
I will untalent my utility and complain about the lack of utility
I am a warrior
covert blaze
what do i drop
dead
eternal sundial
what do i drop
Drop rally
flat river
Drop rally
kek
covert blaze
what do i drop
-2 crushing force + 1 inti shout + 1 pain and gain
flat river
but dmg
flat river
real
covert blaze
crushing force isn't even good but it's more than 0 dps
flat river
ok finee
royal oxide
Just kill the pack to despawn the affix 
flat river
real
covert blaze
you can also take shattering or menace i guess
not like rally is very useful in the keys you are doing
flat river
menace?
flat river
not like rally is very useful in the keys you are doing
im doing 22's
covert blaze
im doing 22's
ik
tardy lark
How often do you feel rally would’ve saved you in 22s
flat river
like maybe
cold jolt
I guess it can depend on how shit the group is
flat river
once every couple of keys
cold jolt
But that also can mean the same thi by
flat river
but i do pug
cold jolt
T hi ng
tardy lark
Then take it ^^
cold jolt
Yeah u right
flat river
i don't think i've dont a pre-made since season 1
tardy lark
Pugging is a curse
cold jolt
I usually use tally when I see someone get really low
flat river
for m+ yeah
tardy lark
For all content. Pugging is literally the worst experience this game has to offer
covert blaze
incorp going off is worse than using rally once every 3 keys or something imo
sick viper
I hate this game
covert blaze
i run my usual talents and invite people that can deal with it and tell them to do it pre-key
fallen ginkgo
True but just pick SB and fear and then pray for the grp to do the rest
Instead of CF
covert blaze
my usual talents have shockwave stormbolt and inti shout tho
sick viper
genshin impact > retail
fallen ginkgo
my usual talents have shockwave stormbolt and inti shout tho
Sane
I also play 1min roar when i have veng dh
sick viper
never played genshin lolol
fallen ginkgo
I'm playing Diablo 4 ptr right now so reconsider
I wanted to type same, sry my fingers are too fat
sick viper
but yea im inting hard rn
fallen ginkgo
I didkt even see i typed sane
sick viper
we wiped like 20 times on the fuckin ball phase
covert blaze
we wiped like 20 times on the fuckin ball phase
what
sick viper
fyrass orbs
flat river
baller
covert blaze
clever belfry
genshin impact > retail
we love gambling
sick viper
we love gambling
covert blaze
I am gacha man / 410,757,864,530 BROKE GAMERS
flat river
play lfr
wanton mirage
You know you can't win roll most times
flat river
i dont think you can get mog any other way
wanton mirage
Catalyst
flat river
that too
covert blaze
What is the best way to get LFR mog?
weeklies give veteran track gear
wanton mirage
Season 2 timerift with handpicked gear slot really spoiled me.
covert blaze
superbloom + rep + seeds have a chance to give you a piece of veteran gear iirc
wanton mirage
Which key level is vetern gear?
covert blaze
Which key level is vetern gear?
2-8
unreal onyx
What is the best way to get LFR mog?
Low keys and catalyze
2-8 works
I tried like 2 weeks for a belt to catalyze in m+, did one larodar kill in lfr and got the belt there
unreal onyx
With 300 flightstones
350* no?