They should really buff the damage per stack to like 50%
#fury
wary fjord
wary fjord
The BT just hit so lightly
south kayak
i mean i think that's better tbh
soft merlin
Anyone got a bis for season 4? Yet
indigo quarry
MS dmg = OP + DN dmg = Execute Dmg
south kayak
more interactions are more fun
indigo quarry
thats the Arms problem
south kayak
it has 2 mods
south kayak
aint no way
wary fjord
Gross
gilded pawn
CS and TOM and such
mossy fox
stacked s2 BTs might not be that impressive but it is a lot of damage for just one gcd, and applies cshb to all targets hit too
wary fjord
Lots of numbers, smol numbers
mossy fox
majority of your damage is just using generators and spending with rampages as much as poss to get your cds back asap
wary fjord
Hell naw
mossy fox
uptime dependant feedback loop that you may or may not like
mossy fox
are any of yalls guilds doing mythic
ya
ember apex
i kinda want to do mythic awakened but i think the guilds that are doing it are mostly sweaty
wary fjord
I really like feedback loops like AM, but I also like actually doing damage
ember apex
im in a top 900 guild currently raiding w/ like an 1100 ranked guild b/c mine stopped raiding
wary fjord
20% fury buff when
ember apex
neither doing awakened mythic
silent burrow
uptime dependant feedback loop that you may or may not like
when it feels so bad to hear your name called to have to move out and go do a mechanic
ember apex
ok so u guys know on fyrak the first set of circles
the ones u have to place that can happen during ur opener
silent burrow
ye
ember apex
if you get those, just restart ur wow client
silent burrow
not nearly as bad as it is with s2 lol
oblique trail
Or just deal with the mechanic
ember apex
i started restarting my wow client when i was getting unwanted mechanics
and it stops
like literally just restart ur game
it fixes the issue completely for the night
at least it does for me
tepid lily
ember apex
if fyrakk like raszageth u get to p3 and it just falls over
best pull currently at 53% rn
silent burrow
lol
modest condor
p3 is def the easiest phase but i think it's harder than ras p3
silent burrow
raz way easier
modest condor
@iron portal why are you so easy
mossy fox
ok so u guys know on fyrak the first set of circles
p sure my best log was with that firestorm and also 2x purple colossus cages
left perch
<@237980454651822080> why are you so easy
mossy fox
🤷♂️
silent burrow
ember apex
p sure my best log was with that firestorm and also 2x purple colossus cages
thats the guild im raiding w/ best pull
im the worst player in my own guild but im not raiding w/ my guild
silent burrow
kind of means zero tbh
ember apex
idk thats just all im gonna have until we have a kill log
best pull log is basically it
oblique trail
I can also have a best pull log where I just rip all the damage on the souls because anyone else who could remotely do good damage to them died or was caged and not brought out
silent burrow
bingo
ember apex
oh i was focusing the burning colo
oblique trail
I really do hope you do that regardless
modest condor
yeah we wiped to the 2nd set of adds in p2 how could you tell http://puu.sh/K3Ogp/58acaef604.png
south kayak
Im actually very hard
iron portal
silent burrow
young swan
Im actually very hard
ember apex
i mean its the furthest % log i have so i thought it was the most relevant
until we have a kill log it doesnt really matter tho i just look at reducing my damage taken and improving prio damage
karmic crow
yeah we wiped to the 2nd set of adds in p2 how could you tell http://puu.sh/K3Og...
Wait? You have a group with only a few people cleaving? Lucky! Best I can do entering p3 is like 260-270k
iron portal
I dont take any damage from bosses
edgy widget
the ones u have to place that can happen during ur opener
easy solution, don't use your cooldowns there lol
edgy widget
you talking about on pull or in phase 2? It sounded like you were talking about purple cages messing with your cooldowns
on pull, your cooldowns should be basically over by the time the first mechanic comes out
ember apex
the first circles are like 12 sec or somethin avatar is 20sec
anyways i just restart my client if i get that mechanic early and it fixes it for the night
that was my little advice/tip
silent burrow
I genuinely never know if you're memeing or mean it
edgy widget
firestorm is applied 14s into the fight, you should have expended all 6 Bloodbaths by then
silent burrow
I can't be the only one
edgy widget
maybe, if you're slow on the opener, you have one left, but you still have time to hit it as you're running out
left perch
I can't be the only one
u ain’t alone
ember apex
yeah i do use them by then
edgy widget
so then whats the problem?
firestorm goes off very quickly, at most you should have like... 2-3s of downtime
mossy fox
it's not like you lose much uptime anyway if you get it yeah
silent burrow
lol
ember apex
im just saying if it happens i have a fix
thats it
its not really a big deal or anythin
oblique trail
"I will purposefully try and make mechanics not get on me again, so I'll let someone else have to deal with it, when I can do it just fine myself"
indigo quarry
exactly the kind of raider you dont want on your team
left perch
🪤
ember apex
wym
edgy widget
im just saying if it happens i have a fix
I guess the implied question there would be why are you coming up with a fix for something that's "not a problem"
oblique trail
If you do the mechanic yourself you know it gets done
ember apex
yeah i practice on dummies for sure
edgy widget
I genuinely never know if you're memeing or mean it
oh no, he's definitely a troll through and through - that was established ages ago
ember apex
i mean i troll mildly and in jest - sometimes. but i literally restarted my client when i got firestorm early in the night and then i didnt get it again
edgy widget
you bugged the client, ggez
ember apex
i just restarted the game
this isnt like.... idk some crazy thing
its literally the turn it off turn it back on meme
but for wow
ember apex
yeah sure it could be RNG blessings, it could be playerID thing, whatever
but i still didnt get firestorms
oblique trail
I was streaming my prog and since I turned my stream on I got more mechanics, compared to it being off
Gg
modest condor
tbh the fact that he claims that he's not trolling makes it even worse
ember apex
modest condor
iron portal
Crazy
south kayak
why are you forcing me to read this shit
no one is forcing you to read it
ember apex
why are you forcing me to read this shit
😏
iron portal
Is wow dead
silver mantle
Can't wait for fury to be top dog
south kayak
Is wow dead
are you prihtvi's alt
iron portal
All that is left are plunders
silver mantle
We blast
iron portal
are you prihtvi's alt
I hoped somebody would get it
young swan
Can't wait for fury to be top dog
south kayak
the experiment is buffing fury warriors
silver mantle
Surely
south kayak
covert blaze
-We decided to delete the Warrior class from the game
left perch
Is wow dead
Privthi is that u
red peak
Somethings always felt off about the flow of warrior. the S3 build seems to "Flow" better than the RB one. Maybe its just my lizard brain
modest condor
it's a lot more predictable at least
red peak
I didnt get to use S2 much. Is that because of the raging blow refundingetc
modest condor
yeah and general rage gen not being static
like you could get a frothing berserker refund, or have an auto attack right after you rampage, or have a ravager tick right after you rampage
and because of that sometimes you could get 2 rampages in a row
red peak
Rage isnt exactly static in S3. With BT/Slam/ww as builders though is it
modest condor
well no but really the only thing that affects your decisionmaking with respect to rage is whether you have reck up or not
otherwise it's mostly just ramp > bb > filler > bt and then either you ramp or do another filler
cold jolt
wipe ur mom lol!
red peak
Sw having much greater yu8ptime on that
ember apex
i personally like the AM playstyle more b/c there a higher APM i always feel like im doing something useful
modest condor
the irony is that it's actually the current season build that does tank damage more often
cold jolt
i just think voting for playstyle, then it being shit is troll
clever belfry
i personally like the AM playstyle more b/c there a higher APM i always feel lik...
higher APM? where
iron portal
Privthi is that u
Im better looking
clever belfry
cause of 10% extra haste? king king king
modest condor
higher APM? where
with the extra haste you want
clever belfry
surely changes how often u press ur buttons
modest condor
at least 4 more per minute!
cold jolt
wowzwea
4 more reckless!!
yipee
off gcd button presses dont count
bc ure hittign a button within that timeframe anyways
oblique trail
what off gcd button
cold jolt
avatar
tardy lark
If you don’t press the button 8 times between each gcd, do you even play melee
red peak
tbh it soungs like S2 you want a wheel or som,ething for RB
cold jolt
rolled
ember apex
higher APM? where
s2 higher apm vs s3
oblique trail
avatar
The button you press once every 1:30?
We're not Fire Mage where FB would actually change your APM
ember apex
If you don’t press the button 8 times between each gcd, do you even play melee
🤣 bro i do this
edgy widget
it's a lot more predictable at least
really? I feel like S2 is more predictable, since it's pretty much infinitely RB - Rampage
ember apex
predictable rotation or predictable damage output?
i feel like S3 = predicatable rotation
S2 = predictable damage output
edgy widget
I don't think either are much different in that regard
oblique trail
S3 is very predictable since I always end up with 79 rage and I'm gonna lose Frenzy within the next GCD
ember apex
it felt like s2's rotation would change global to global depending on different things
u shouldnt be losing frenzy outside of phase transitions or u get a cumbersome mechanic
edgy widget
yeah you should pretty much never be losing frenzy, unless you have a lot of downtime somewhere
oblique trail
It was only an issue on Fyrakk
edgy widget
it is a stupid mechanic though and should be scrapped
oblique trail
Since keeping Frenzy between phases could be a bit tight
If you didn't manage your rage just a bit
edgy widget
it feels weird u agreeing w/ me
you know what they say, even a broken watch is right twice a day
ember apex
i dont mind frenzy i just dont think it should go away on rampage on new target
i like the things in fury the reinforce the importance of uptime
personally
edgy widget
WoW in general already does that
ember apex
yeah but fury specifically has a special relationship b/c we dont have judgement or icy blast or whatever
or elemental blast, stuff like that
modest condor
bring back beta prot warrior titanic throw spam
ember apex
herloic throw is a joke
eternal sundial
It's better than an afk gcd
oblique trail
Heroic Throw is very big if you have downtime
eternal sundial
Something>nothing
oblique trail
Since it's like 100% proc chance on trinkets
indigo quarry
ABC
ember apex
always be throwin
iron portal
Crossbow when
edgy widget
Since it's like 100% proc chance on trinkets
yeah it's a very big negative dps increase 🙃
red peak
adds Collosal throw to spec
clever belfry
(except spec channel regulars, pls stop cooking)
oblique trail
yeah it's a very big negative dps increase 🙃
Not if your trinket is Signet Brand
🐀
eternal sundial
I cant remember if i ever specced into colossal throw or whatever
Entire expansion
red peak
What is fury actually misisng
edgy widget
Titanic Throw? You did not
clever belfry
I cant remember if i ever specced into colossal throw or whatever
u have not
red peak
Ive used to on fyraak and tindral
edgy widget
What is fury actually misisng
damage
red peak
Well yes
clever belfry
Ive used to on fyraak and tindral
????
eternal sundial
Fury is a dps spec and thus reliant on tuning
ember apex
i convinced a hunter in my guild by using inspect element on my sims report page that the bow from Raszageth was a dps increase for warriors even if we could only do auto shoot + cooldowns versus MM hunters who gain less dps
red peak
but why, Surely just increasing all abilities by x% is a bit boring
ember apex
and trying to say that if it drops im priority
edgy widget
Im mixing them up
- Titanic Throw is the multitarget heroic throw tank button that not even tanks want
- Wrecking Throw is the sometimes useful 0.5% dps increase used 1-3 times per fight on 1-2 bosses per tier
red peak
Ye - I know. Just mixing them up
covert blaze
*Am I a joke to you?*
idk man... pretty helpful when i farm old raids
red peak
The 3m one can be funny vs palladins as well
edgy widget
idk man... pretty helpful when i farm old raids
farming old raids is, by definition, trivial content - you can do whatever you want and be just as successful
ember apex
wrecking throw im wrong
eternal sundial
That's shatter and a fake button
covert blaze
farming old raids is, by definition, trivial content - you can do whatever you w...
I'm clearly memeing
eternal sundial
If you pve you havent selected it ever
edgy widget
I'm clearly memeing
not that clear, considering how many people try to justify the existence of SMF because of "farming old raids"
red peak
SMF?
edgy widget
"but my speed set" 🙄
covert blaze
not that clear, considering how many people try to justify the existence of SMF ...
that's crazy
robust widget
where SMF mog?!
eternal sundial
where SMF mog?!
In the trash
edgy widget
speed was my favorite tertiary in like... Sanctum; feels less important now though
eternal sundial
Considering you baseline 5% yee
gilded pawn
2h weps dont affect movement speed
2h doesnt affect speed but SMF gives additional speed
so old raids
kekw
edgy widget
Sanctum in particular just had a lot of micro movement; swirls, spikes, and shots to dodge in melee, etc
this tier and last were all avoidance though
ember apex
2h doesnt affect speed but SMF gives additional speed
ah ok ty
silent burrow
leech bis
edgy widget
I forgot about that
iron portal
Doesnt slayer have like one node for leech and thats it
edgy widget
idk, I used to play a lot of PoE, but really fallen off it; gotten a bit too repetitive for me
upbeat sentinel
True old raid farming was at peak during legion
Warbands will be a buff
ember apex
upbeat sentinel
Get all the mog on one char
ember apex
idk, I used to play a lot of PoE, but really fallen off it; gotten a bit too rep...
i played to like level 78 in 2018 or something and that was it, this current wow guild im in is all sweaty about it so im getting into it w/ em
edgy widget
Doesnt slayer have like one node for leech and thats it
Yeah, it's not really all that much
upbeat sentinel
30% leech node????
iron portal
Ok then I guess i dont get that bear guy
ember apex
Doesnt slayer have like one node for leech and thats it
yeah but i predicted it
thats the special part
it also has attack speed
which i also predicted
eternal sundial
Incredibly generic things
ember apex
yeah but ppl were saying i was incorrect
at the time
before anyone knew
i was speculating
and ppl were negging me hard about it
gilded pawn
it was 1 person
eternal sundial
Only you yes
edgy widget
Yeah, I'm pretty sure literally everyone with half a brain figured out it was going to be reminiscent of the PoE Slayer
ember apex
it doesnt matter if hes a frequent chatter or not he should be allowed to share his opinion regardless
upbeat sentinel
I still think Carlo is wrong
gilded pawn
yes and you are basking in the glory of proving a random wrong
ember apex
I still think Carlo is wrong
go argue w/ the slayer tree that has attack speed and leech on it
upbeat sentinel
go argue w/ the slayer tree that has attack speed and leech on it
Argue with deez nuts in ya mouth
eternal sundial
W
ember apex
i dont need to argue anything i was right the entire time
ember apex
i didnt start it
edgy widget
anyway, yeah, assuming the SD proc rate is similar to S1 Fury, the node should add up to quite a lot of healing, but how much of that will be effective healing remains to be seen
ember apex
yeah effective healing is the real question
edgy widget
good for rot damage, but direct damage reduction is usually better
ember apex
overleech would be a cool mechanic in wow
edgy widget
eh it would fuck with healing unless it were used very sparingly
modest condor
i mean slayer is clearly about execute/bladestorm. The leech, sure, it's a defensive node, but imo the attack speed thematically makes no sense when you look at the rest of the tree
flat river
anyway, yeah, assuming the SD proc rate is similar to S1 Fury, the node should a...
imagine season 1 fury tier set + hero talents sudden death proc chance
O_O
young swan
overleech would be a cool mechanic in wow
real but it would fuck balance methinks
ember apex
yeah i could see that but remember MoP second wind
kinda like that but not at 35% at (presumably) all HP levels
but yeah idk how that works in a pvp environment
its like the answer getting bursted down is to also burst ur opp
edgy widget
i mean slayer is clearly about execute/bladestorm. The leech, sure, it's a defen...
could be worse, it could be this cursed shit
edgy widget
yeah i could see that but remember MoP second wind
MoP second wind was wildly op lol
ember apex
yeah it was great
modest condor
hell yeah im playing beyblade warrior
indigo quarry
we beyblading
edgy widget
spin to win baby
cold jolt
how do i fix brain fog
flat river
hell yeah im playing beyblade warrior
real
ember apex
whats this
flat river
rename it beyblade and it will be BiS
bitter palm
slayer is a banger idc what others think
ember apex
it's all hinging on the warrior rework
if the rework is poggers then slayer will by extension be poggers
young swan
could be worse, it could be this cursed shit
I do agree that there probably should have been some sort of on kill synergy with slayer but most of the rest is just regular forum drivel
ember apex
they could add something like that for open world content and it'd be fine'
coarse nest
it should have been Juggernaut
Tru
indigo quarry
go full Xmen ref
gilded pawn
I do agree that there probably *should have been* some sort of on kill synergy w...
can kill synergy even exist in wow
kill synergies do nothing in raid
edgy widget
I do agree that there probably *should have been* some sort of on kill synergy w...
maybe as a minor addition, but not as a major effect
that would be basically useless against boss targets lol
gilded pawn
and is cheesy at best in m+
ember apex
it should have been Juggernaut
juggernaut is mainly boneshatter
maybe also righteous fire / fire trap
depends on the season meta
indigo quarry
#poe channel
ember apex
we're talking about slayer and juggernaut as it relates to wow
ember apex
no i been playing heavy the past 4 seasons w/ my guild
edgy widget
uh huh
ember apex
but before then
edgy widget
nice change of story
ember apex
that was my only experience
young swan
maybe as a minor addition, but not as a major effect
yeah 100%, more like a replacement for the silly bt/op damage + cdr or the attack speed stuff
flat river
bro's cooking lies
dense elbow
The name is prob the biggest disconnect for me, but the idea sounds kinda fun. I just thought slayer would be more about execute and slaying. If it was called 'blademaster', spin to win - with the big hit crits would make sense to me
edgy widget
I bet you use a quick disconnect macro too, scumbag
bitter palm
yeah 100%, more like a replacement for the silly bt/op damage + cdr or the attac...
ngl those sound sooo placeholder
edgy widget
The name is prob the biggest disconnect for me, but the idea sounds kinda fun. I...
I mean it is fundamentally about executing, at least with Sudden Death
ember apex
i dont even play hardcore
young swan
can kill synergy even exist in wow
war machine exists and benefits you on igira and tindral
gilded pawn
war machine exists and benefits you on igira and tindral
but war machines main value is the attack speed
that can be a side effect
bitter palm
for the love of god dont make a hero talent thats useless for the first 65% of the fight
flat river
but war machines main value is the attack speed
war machine doesnt give attack speed
what
edgy widget
yeah 100%, more like a replacement for the silly bt/op damage + cdr or the attac...
if I were to add some kind of on-death mechanic, it would have been a Legion-level Aggrammar's Stride + War Machine movement speed increase on kill
indigo quarry
it was giving ASPD back in the day
edgy widget
just pure utility: kill target = go fast
flat river
add new passive for fury
edgy widget
but honestly the Slayer's movement bonuses are crazy good as is, so I'm completely fine with the tree
edgy widget
"just don't"
bitter palm
ye very fun on an already immortal spec
flat river
just stay at 1 hp
edgy widget
name the talent "Just live" (a very often repeated piece of advice/strategy given by raid leaders)
devout totem
even more immortalier
flat river
but you get second wind for the duration
ember apex
https://tenor.com/view/lie-lie-detector-cap-you-are-lying-stop-lying-gif-1219838...
that's my guild discord
flat river
(5 seconds)
bitter palm
what would be cool is like purgatory but u have to kill something
bitter palm
it would be cool fantasy wise but it would be shit for the game
dense elbow
what would be cool is like purgatory but u have to kill something
Legion, Legion, Legion!
indigo quarry
Only Legion
flat river
what would be cool is like purgatory but u have to kill something
when you reach 1 hp you dont die, instead you cast recklessness and avatar and become unkillable for 5 seconds, while those 5 seconds are active you gain second wind
flat river
real
edgy widget
legion war machine...
the haste would be overkill today; Aggramar's Stride is the thing I miss
flat river
OR
dense elbow
Striders where the movementspeed, no?
flat river
to make it not overpowered
ember apex
also make spell reflect a 30 minute buff
flat river
when you get lethal dmg
dont die
but
you get to live for 10 more seconds
and are immume to dmg and healing
basically stay at 1 hp
dense elbow
and are immume to dmg and healing
Legion, Legion, Legion!
young swan
thats just worse cauterize
edgy widget
Striders where the movementspeed, no?
Stride increased movement speed by 75% of your haste or crit (which synergized with War Machine giving you 30% haste in Legion)
So you'd get a kill, proc 30% haste, and in turn gain ~22% movespeed
ember apex
and crank ur leech up 1000% and if u heal to full ur HP leech pools into a buff that is expended when u take daamge
flat river
thats just worse cauterize
no you gain dmg boost
dense elbow
gotta go fast
young swan
yeah but u still die lmfao
flat river
get free BL
ember apex
omfg
flat river
and 50% dmg boost
ember apex
hnnggg
flat river
for 10 seconds
ember apex
per minute
flat river
and die 
young swan
could u imagine how disgustingly toxic that would be
edgy widget
PvP in shambles rn
flat river
(does not work in PvP)
dense elbow
I mean, why not?
young swan
"ok go die we need to kill this ad"
edgy widget
not to mention the ranking strat for basically everything would be "let me die right before AoE and then BR me"
flat river
XD
young swan
"thats not optimal sorry"
flat river
"taunt boss last 10% so you get dmg boost"
edgy widget
"taunt boss last 10% so you get dmg boost"
that has actually been a thing several times in the past already lol
flat river
that has actually been a thing several times in the past already lol
you didnt read the thing i was talking about xd
dense elbow
it gets so much worse the more I read
ember apex
fuck this convo is sick but i need to deploy this proj wtf am i doin
edgy widget
you didnt read the thing i was talking about xd
yes I did
edgy widget
which is why I was commenting the whole way through, smh
I think it's insane and would never be even remotely balanced
dense elbow
If Archi wants this idea, but not old legion cheatdeath - I am going to give up on life
flat river
call it "Everlasting Rage"
dense elbow
True, make it a 100% of on a 10min CD, would make it better
ember apex
Eternal Rage or Eternal Fury makes it sound more serious
flat river
Eternal Rage or Eternal Fury makes it sound more serious
no my name is better
edgy widget
but even then, the mechanics of it were kinda bad because you very rarely were capable of getting a kill to survive anyway
ember apex
spell reflect should be a 30min buff
bitter palm
fury of the undying
dense elbow
When Legion CD procced just right tho - fgm, a true moment of glory hacking on the boss getting the kill
bitter palm
arms of the dying
dense elbow
So legion CD, but with consistency, and a 10min CD. Sounds fair?
edgy widget
When Legion CD procced just right tho - fgm, a true moment of glory hacking on t...
ok but if the boss dies before you die, it doesn't really matter if you get the free rez or not
so it's pointless
flat river
real
edgy widget
but if the boss is dead
flat river
OH
edgy widget
you can't use that jugg on anything
dense elbow
But I killed boss, with my jugg
edgy widget
you don't see the flaw with your scenario here? lol
flat river
and make it so you have recklessness and avatar throughout the entire duration
edgy widget
if the boss dies before you do anyway, it doesn't matter if the mechanic keeps you alive or not
dense elbow
Everyone dead, me and boss, mano-a-mano, cheat death bringing me over the finishing line
flat river
real
edgy widget
I feel like you're missing the point
flat river
no u
edgy widget
we were talking about the rez, not the cheat death
the rez part is the failure point
if the boss dies before your cheat death runs out, the rez is pointless, because combat has ended anyway
dense elbow
I loved that part tho, sure, it might not always work. but the cheatdeath part of itself was worth it. Me living to tell the tale and was a bonus
The moment was fun
edgy widget
the cheat death was fine, yes (if it actually procced reliably)
but my comment was that the rez compontent sucked ass
dense elbow
I agree, it should if brought back be 100% on a 10min CD or something
flat river
f got timed out, sorry archi senpai
ember apex
u were timed out for what 1min?
edgy widget
I loved the kill or die part of it
I might too, if the kill part ever actually mattered in a practical setting
the only time it really ever came into play is if a random add happened to kill you and you happend to get the killing blow back on it, since allies getting the kill wouldn't count
which is an extremely rare confluence of events
so yeah, nice theme, but the legion rez was pretty terrible all around
dense elbow
Fair, you and I see it from two differing points of contention. But can you live in a world where it is just a stretch of your life when you die. And the rezz is just "fluff"?
I personally loved the moments where that cheat death procced, and it got us the boss kill me last man standing and living.
Happened often? Hell no, once in a expansion on bosses. A lot more randomly, but very memorable and fun
indigo quarry
its so bad i even forgor it was in the game
gilded pawn
well it doesnt have to be good right
its just thematic
the rez
if the cheat death is decent but the rez part is unreliable, nothing wrong with that
dense elbow
Not to mention the whole "if I can just kill him!" drive the proc did, was insane
edgy widget
My point was I wouldn't want it back in the game the way it was in Legion
- fluff or not, it's unreliable and that makes it frustrating, more than fun
dense elbow
How is is frustrating to get to live a few more seconds after you die, and get a chance to live?
It is just a bonus
edgy widget
if it were made reliable in some way, like a shittier version of Ankh - sure, I'd have no real problem with it making its way back in the game, but it still needs some major upgrade to justify putting it back into the game
indigo quarry
nothing gonna beat Rogue cheat death lvl of bullshit
dense elbow
Why does it have to ress you tho - why cant the 6 secs of immortality be good enough by itself as a minor defencive benefit?
edgy widget
Why does it have to ress you tho - why cant the 6 secs of immortality be good en...
I didn't say it did have to rez you
I said the rez part sucked ass, because it virtually never worked
dense elbow
I loved that part tho
gilded pawn
just pretend its holy's angel thing
dense elbow
because of the chance it gave
edgy widget
I don't care if you loved it, it still sucked ass lol
you can like something and also recognize it's bad
dense elbow
Your opinion of it, not mine
I agree it is problematic from an efficency point of view. But the flavour was 100% on point
edgy widget
- your subjective opinion of it was it was fun
- my objective analysis of it was that it was bad
you're trying real hard now to undermine a point that does not conflict with your own
we get it - you like it; there's been no disagreement with that
it still sucks, no matter how enjoyable the idea of it may be
just like SMF 🙃
dense elbow
You are undermining mine, and hard. In the name of 'efficency'
or whatever objective reality you live in
edgy widget
I'm not, I outright acknowledged your point from the very beginning
idk why you're turning this into an argument, but stop
dense elbow
Meh, we just disagree on a core level. It is fine. You and I agree it was fun, we disagree if it is something to be brought back.
This be fair
edgy widget
bringing things back has a cost, in Dragonflight it would be a talent - nobody is going to waste a talent point on the mechanic as it was in Legion
cold jolt
u can make it so it trigges off dmg
but yeah true
it would prob have a cost
and idk if i want trhat
dense elbow
Ah, so you need to fill a damage treshold, and as such is either super easy or too hard?
At that point - it could just be "ankh"
edgy widget
u can make it so it trigges off dmg
that's problematic because damage scales over the course of an expansion
edgy widget
you could perhaps set it up with some kind of percentage scale - deal 3x your maximum health in damage within X seconds
edgy widget
though that also becomes pontentially problematic with certain mechanics (just stand in smolderon waves, because you have a damage buff and will auto proc the survival)
dense elbow
True, raid and m+ differ hard too
indigo quarry
dying is a skill issue
dense elbow
^ true, but come on
What if you had to heal yourself up to 100%, making Fury's selfsustain kit core for effect and give it some kit mastery?
edgy widget
Trust me, I would love a full ass cheat death like Rogues have... but they're never gonna give that to War without massively gutting their other defensive tools (and even then, we're not gonna get it, because it just homogenizes us with Rogues)
edgy widget
So there's a practical level to consider - yeah we could come up with an idea that works really reliably just like Rogues or Mages have, but it's just a fairy tale if it's something we'd never get anyway
indigo quarry
cheat death are unhealty in raid, they even do some mechanic that bypass sometimes.
and they got the pikachu face when they die from it
edgy widget
Yeah, as much as I would love one, immunities and cheat deaths are already too highly proliferated
which is exactly why Blizz pulled back on them, adding the instant overkill mechanic n such
dense elbow
My main argument is legion cheatdeath was very onpoint with warrior theme and didn't have anyone else contending with that fantasy.
Make it 100% and 10min CD, and put it in as a minor effect on an already exsisting talent. Like Frenzied Regen.
As the effect in itself is pretty minor in most scenarios.
Sounds good?
Goal is simply to keep that "kill or die" drive, moment
edgy widget
whatever makes you happy
dense elbow
It would, just wondering if you find it acceptable as a minor addon as fluff
or if that would be too powerful or somehow inhibit gameplay
young swan
reliable cheat death on warrior will always be too powerful
dense elbow
Agreed
dense elbow
Cant remember what that was exactly, mind telling?
edgy widget
It would, just wondering if you find it acceptable as a minor addon as fluff
my feelings are the same
- lack of reliability is generally considered more frustrating than fun, and I don't see a world where its made so reliable that changes
- yes, it could be added as a fluffy addendum to some existing talent, but I find that unlikely to happen since even at its base level of just 5s of post-death immunity is still a net gain to the current Warrior kit
I'm not against the idea of more things and I like brainstorming what could be, I just have to consider the practicality of it
dense elbow
Fair, I can see how some find it more frustrating than fun to fail the rush element. Some people are coded like that.
edgy widget
and make it so you have recklessness and avatar throughout the entire duration
cause otherwise you get mentally ill people like @flat river cooking insane shit like this
dense elbow
I just cant see another way to have a cheat death-ish mechanic, that seems classfantasy correct and balanced to a degree.
And ye, we dont want that...
young swan
the best way would to just have it be a cauterize mechanic
dense elbow
In m+ tho, you die, and you kill a mob - maybe make it kill participation, to live?
edgy widget
I just don't think War will ever get a cheat death unless they yoink back hard on our current defensive kit... which is finally in a place that it feels really good imo
back in WoD/Legion/BfA, I was hard agreeing with you though @dense elbow - a cheat death/immunity type mechanic was my #1 wish for Warriors because we were so squishy, particularly during the Execute phase where boss damage also tended to ramp
but after the improvements in SL/DF, I feel Warriors (at least Fury, Arms a little less so) are finally in a place where they feel really good defensively - like we still have a weakness to walking into dumb and getting insta gibbed, but smart players have a lot of tools to stay alive
dense elbow
I just enjoyed the gameplay element of it, and remember the procs fondly. I don't think current fury needs it, nor that the mechanic should be brought back as a pure reliable cheat death.
Fury especially is in a great spot atm.
I just look back at those moments, and wish those upon others as memories to be had
edgy widget
which I feel like is a good counterpoint to Rogues that can stand in tindral fire beams because of cheat death, but fall over to random rot damage unless a healer is babysitting them
arctic valley
which slot should we avoid for making tier
dense elbow
We can stand in the beamspawn too, funilly enough
edgy widget
you can take one tick of it, but it ticks very fast
edgy widget
you can survive two if you blow everything, but that's always a choice, not a passive like Cheat Death
edgy widget
If I just stand in it, I live?
not on Mythic you don't lol
dense elbow
Fair, I meant in dstance and ER/SR
And ye, I am talking mythic
Trust
I been standing in that beam to wipe a lot, in this prog
so I learned I can live it x)
Mainly to prove a point to my ret friend, that I could
dense elbow
3 what?
edgy widget
Yeah if you pop everything you can live it, but again that's an intentional decision - you're purposefully using your survivability cooldowns to survive something
which is very different from a Rogue being able to passively survive the mistake of getting hit by something they didn't intend to
young swan
I lived 2 ticks with ER + 40% vers
edgy widget
intent is the key here
dense elbow
Ye, I agree, Arch
young swan
was epic
bitter palm
i couldve lived 4 if i hpot
dense elbow
Ah, not source beam, but the beams going out - got ya
warm crag
which slot should we avoid for making tier
this isn't really a concept for us, more important to just adapt to what choices you're given from vault/natural drops
edgy widget
which slot should we avoid for making tier
pants or hat are the usual offpieces, but it doesn't really matter; like Spongie said, it's all about maximizing whatever gear options you have on-hand
dense elbow
which slot should we avoid for making tier
Sorry, was distracted. I recommend to just use what you get. Then at a certain point, you can minmax if you get the Mythic track helm from m+ and stuff.
But wouldnt worry about it 
just follow the raidbot for you
arctic valley
thx all!
dense elbow
💕
Talking of Tindral, I am back to the wipefest in 30min, any warm words of comfort?
flat river
cause otherwise you get mentally ill people like <@451392607495520257> cooking i...
;-;
edgy widget
Talking of Tindral, I am back to the wipefest in 30min, any warm words of comfor...
don't stand in fire beams
dense elbow
edgy widget
at least not without using all your cooldowns
dense elbow
Hm, does seccond wind get any use on Tindral or is the ticking damage not environmental? 
not that I would ever need it, just something I just thought about
edgy widget
na, it gets knocked off except for when you're flying
and hitting orbs will knock it off again
dense elbow
No sludgefist value fight this raid, oh well. Always TWW
flat river
got the leggo boiz
indigo quarry
got the leggo boiz
eternal sundial
got the leggo boiz
flat river
eternal sundial
Only 8 ilvl to go
flat river
real
eternal sundial
Stank ass gear this late into the patch
flat river
im not a gamer
indigo quarry
why are you not upgrading your porcelain crab
wait what
lots of item arent fully upgraded !
flat river
i know!
i dont play that much
i log in, play fyrakk, get off
now i can game
pog
bitter palm
giga lazy
untold moth
Ember 17 tonight bois (12N, 6H), still only a 19% chance but I'm feeling lucky (actually feeling doomed)
round elk
At this point better that you don't get it till s4 brother
edgy widget
Fwiw we don’t know that the axe will craft at any higher item level in S4
ember apex
Fwiw we don’t know that the axe will craft at any higher item level in S4
yeah ur gonna be able to craft a higher ilvl axe
left perch
that doesn’t say those words
edgy widget
But if you don’t have any particular care, I’d probably wait to finish the quest until after S4 starts, just in case
ember apex
arch said it
left perch
can you read or
indigo quarry
when you craft it
edgy widget
yeah ur gonna be able to craft a higher ilvl axe
I said craft as in quest reward not upgrade
indigo quarry
reading is a skill
left perch
yeah ur gonna be able to craft a higher ilvl axe
ember apex
for s4
left perch
Archi’s post doesn’t say you’d be able to craft a higher level axe, just that you can awaken it?
indigo quarry
when you complete the quest
ember apex
yeah i get it now
indigo quarry
it is most likely that its still gonna be the current ilvl
ember apex
but u guys are acting like i said the wrong shit
when i did say craft
and he did too
we just meant different things
with the same word
indigo quarry
when you gonna slam the item to upgrade ilvl its not gonna be the same thing as when you craft it
ember apex
we're arguing semantics i understand the difference in interpretation now
left perch
ye I took your reply literally is all
you said you can craft a 500+ axe, you meant the axe is upgradeable
dapper goblet
upbeat sentinel
we're arguing semantics i understand the difference in interpretation now
Ur wrong
ember apex
ok then there's no difference and crafting an axe at a higher ilvl is the exact same thing is using an upgrade item on an existing axe since both result in higher ilvl and there's no semantic difference
idk what u want
cold jolt
Can someone smart tell me when I’m pooping cds around second dream tend
Rene
I would chdkc lord
But I’m in bed
ember apex
i pop them after the big leap back
some people pop them before he leaps away
lorrgs is a toss up by a few seconds
ember apex
just make sure u use wrecking throw when enraged after odyns fury
upbeat sentinel
Infinite plunder and resses for duos if you camp in the storm 🤔
edgy widget
Ngl I don’t bother using wrecking throw on fyrakk anymore, just too low a contribution to be worth the point
And I like the extra healing
But yeah, you should be able to put at least OF+Roar into the shield
bitter palm
im playing pain and gain instead of it
and endurance training instead of 1 point in cruel strikes
why not
its not like we are having dps issues
and i like the 5% stam
and pain and gain healing
eternal sundial
I cant see the 5% stam mattering
bitter palm
it has saved me
numerous times already
on tindral and fyrakk
cause terrorist people
quiet geyser
Anything that kills you on fyrakk or tindy is a 1 shot or raid wipe
Cant see the point in endurance training
bitter palm
exactly cause its a 1 shot et helps
people running over me with blazes
and me at 30k hp
without et i wouldve died
happened this pull
indigo quarry
SR
but yeah people need to stop moving when its popping off
like no need to bomb your raid
bitter palm
i dont think i have one for every single
rend
cant predict how will someone move
lived a few times by last second dstance
its crazy
silent burrow
We're gonna game
barren dagger
for parsing on 1T for 3m, i have might 489 slightly behind 483 rezan. might has got to be better in most cases right?
gilded pawn
Well the sim are averages
Might seems better for consistency though
You have more stats on the trinket itself and you know when might is giving you more stats
sly acorn
Is it dumb to get gear crafted before s4?
bitter palm
i mean
it will be useless
like 40 ilvls down or something
s4 is coming like in 2-3 weeks so
sly acorn
Ty
bitter palm
if u want to craft something now craft it
sly acorn
Ty! 😁
eternal sundial
Sure it's not insanely valueable
But if you go into next season with more ilvl it helps
sick viper
S4 trash
sick viper
Sanctum and Sepulcher were better raids than aberrus and Vault
gilded pawn
That’s a take
oblique trail
Sanctum first half was okay, Painsmith amazing and Sylvanas amazing (if you remove P2)
But the latter half of Sanctum ruined the entire raid
Sepulcher had great fights but also questionable ones
sly acorn
Can someone tell me how i get better sparks quality?
oblique trail
Craft crests through enchanting or through a work order
You use those together with a current tier spark, when crafting an item
And it'll change its ilvl equivalent to what tier of enchanted crest you use
sly acorn
Ok ty
sick viper
Sanctum and sepulcher have more highs than those two
like heroic Rasz was the only cool boss in vault
sly acorn
Whats highest level a casual filth doibg lfr and m+ 10 Can hope realisticly?
sick viper
Rashok was the only cool boss in aberrus
oblique trail
Whats highest level a casual filth doibg lfr and m+ 10 Can hope realisticly?
The highest crafted ilvl assuming you push up to +11, is 476
sly acorn
Ok ty. Do you know what it Will be s4?
sly acorn
And Can i upgrade Them from 476 ?
oblique trail
You can recraft items with new sparks and crests, yes
sly acorn
Ok ty 😁👍🏻✌🏻
barren dagger
the settings of shadowlands, especially castle, are way more appealing to me than any of this half assed dragon fantasy
eternal sundial
Jailer is worse than dargons
barren dagger
vampires are cooler than a half baked soy dragon like sark
sick viper
Jailer's later design was cool
eternal sundial
Lol
oblique trail
Die jailer die
Horrible boss
(Very biased opinion because my prog was not a good experience)
sudden tusk
barren dagger
we can only guess it will be live in 2 or 3 weeks
clever path
Someone has an idea which trinks will be the potential bis for s4?
sullen dove
augury
clever path
i mean (probably a noob or bad idea) st whispering and omnious or elementium pocket and augury + diurna ring i think could be a great mix, certain is im not sure at all
sick viper
we can only guess it will be live in 2 or 3 weeks
nah april 30 at the earliest
bitter palm
def augury
in m+ at least
my guess is puzzlebox augury
or oce augury/puzzlebox
or icon idk
silent burrow
I doubt brand
eternal sundial
Anvil is cringe brand isnt
bitter palm
also brand does more dam
eternal sundial
Dont see augury if you have infinte crit from wep cape and ring
silent burrow
All the fights getting nerfed and everyone gonna be zoomin
eternal sundial
And icon
silent burrow
ain't no shot we gonna have many 5 minute fights
clever path
there are some options with eranog ring that can be an outstanding fire damage dealers
bitter palm
head enchant?
silent burrow
and helm
silent burrow
and shadowflame patch if we run that
eternal sundial
Brood ring is the only one at endboss ilvl thus best if you can fit the stats ib
silent burrow
bsl might be the play though
clever path
i mean double shadowflame+ eranog + leggo + augury and anvil/brand can be a top damage dealer makers
sullen dove
start bringing dh to buff warrior
30% of overall fire dmg from procs and effects
ez
clever path
rofl, who said enrage fire was only a cosmetic? hahahah
at this point how much is a good avg damage in m+ with wht we have now? like arround 260k would be decent?
hard widget
at this point how much is a good avg damage in m+ with wht we have now? like arr...
Depends on the dungeon and keylevel / group
clever path
i've got dh tank, pala, lock, rresto shammie and fury
but im concerned if my avg for some keys should be higher than that
eternal sundial
If you said idk throne 25 260k itd be easier
Then i could tell you "sounds a tad low" for example
clever path
fall 26 254k avg same group
hard widget
Tyra or forti?
clever path
tyra
hard widget
Meh bit lowish but not BAD
Could probably optimise some stuff and up it a bit
Still not a whole lot of info to go on tho, so yea
eternal sundial
If ur pulling around lock fury will also look a bit dumb at times
clever path
are the versa bracers + shadowflame cloak the best option for this week? or still better lariat + versa
eternal sundial
It is what it is
eternal sundial
are the versa bracers + shadowflame cloak the best option for this week? or stil...
Lariat is more aoe dam
Cloak is a tad more st
hard widget
@clever path If ur curious about ur dps, best thing to do is watch pov's on the dungeon ur interested in
See what dps they do, and how they do it
Plenty of video's on youtube
clever path
noted! i was looking for some advise to start on since i mean being second in damage is not bad but i think it can get better
hard widget
Don't compare urself to other classes
If they're "bad" u look better, or if they're really good u look "worse"
Doesnt mean that you actually are better or worse
clever path
Got it, sorry for those dumb questions i am kinda new to the game
hard widget
Its not dumb at all ^^
desert cloud
I just blame tank pulls when i do lower dps than people i see in videos
Always works
plucky stratus
Once we are with leggo do we use the haste runes?
And along those lines. When looking at logs what’s the tip 3 things we look for to get better
hollow ridge
ngl even tho we arent doing so hot in the st department quite yet the set feels so much better with the amount of crit we run, only needing 3 stacks until we can bt makes rb and bt feel more interwoven. feels a lot of bfa style fury which is awesome
indigo arch
150/200 cringeleaves, I swear, this questline makes me miss what shadowmourne took.
tardy lark
open world stuff is so epic though
covert blaze
BatChest
bitter palm
y
tardy lark
oblique trail
arctic valley
i see that everyone plays night elf for mythic +
slim coral
Yeah it’s op
wanton elk
Will races dps stay the same for next season? I revived my war to prepare him for next season, and I'm wondering if I should go Human (currently Belf)
warm crag
racials won't make a realistic difference unless you are pushing for bleeding edge
if you have to ask it probably doesn't matter
pick what you like most
clever path
i was used to play Velf and tbh when i went to Nelf i noticed an increase of 1.2k on my dps so not great deal the races vs the building/stats
warm crag
that doesnt sound right
warm crag
the best nelf sim is -1.6k for me lmao
bitter palm
one of the best warrior races
idk i like human a lot but im tauren currently
human looks good has good animations and does good damage
clever path
the racial proc of shadowfrost deals 600k-1m in a single brh 20 vs the sustained 1% haste/crit, looks kinda dumb but can make a huge dps diff
bitter palm
look at that variance
tauren dwarf havei dentical crit racials
unless im missing something
covert blaze
passive racials relevant poggers
tardy lark
that is why they are mentikoned in tandem
clever path
wow that is an impressive sim
bitter palm
245 margin of error and tauren is like 200 dps ahead
makes sense
last time i simmed racials it was
human>tauren=velf=dwarf=troll
for arms
warm crag
once again this literally doesnt matter unless ur pushing bleeding edge
ebon junco
clever path
why is the comunity so splited onto bladestorm coming back to fury?
indigo arch
Ppl should be thrilled, imagine pvp fury with not only bladestorm, but charge breaking roots
insane uptime
clever path
i have only played since shadowlands and my thoughts are that bladestorm makes dps wars be like what we aree, warriors
clever path
like season 1 pala but only wars xD
indigo arch
So is best axe on use after the last ww'd global after the 8 odyn ww buffs end?
trying to figure out the moment I press it in aoe
be it after 8th cleaved global from odyn x2, or after all cds end
hard widget
I'd use it after ur done with cd's, less pad, more prio dmg on a mob that actually needs to die
Unless u care more about overall than timing the dungeon
Then send it asap
tardy lark
big dam means im good at the game
tardy lark
fuck prio damage
indigo arch
wtf only gained +2,312 in st?
oof
that doesn't feel very legendary
hope sims are wrong
sinful kraken
everyone else ive seen send messages but never this guy
dapper goblet
he's got u blocked
hard widget
everyone else ive seen send messages but never this guy
EVERYONE?!
young swan
he keeps to himself
hallow sphinx
he mostly posts cat with knife pic
hallow sphinx
everyone else ive seen send messages but never this guy
whats up
warm crag
powerful
narrow delta
everyone else ive seen send messages but never this guy
hello
sinful kraken
😑
hallow sphinx
left perch
hello gajeel wife husband
hallow sphinx
hello gajeel wife husband
yoyo