Imagine dk actually being playable in pug keys if they fix cleaving strikes
#fury
upbeat sentinel
gilded pawn
whats cleaving strikes
ember apex
i only ever played 2H oblit in DF season 2 b/c i never played a DK before that really except blood to evel it
i found DK to be too CD focused and i dont like doing low damage on pulls
unholy is worse i believe w/ 3min
upbeat sentinel
whats cleaving strikes
Cleaving strikes is the talent that makes you cleave while standing in death and decay
But it’s high enough in the tree that you always have it on
gilded pawn
oh its Sweeping strikes but attached to DND
upbeat sentinel
Ya
gilded pawn
wish SS did some minor damage
indigo quarry
Sweeping Strikes with extra step
upbeat sentinel
So in PUG keys where the tank doesn’t give a fuck about your DND it’s pretty fucking terrible
And feels bad to play
indigo quarry
wish SS did some minor damage
this ability still being half a GCD is so garbage
upbeat sentinel
Or if sanguine is in that week it also feels very very bad
edgy widget
wish SS did some minor damage
it doesn't, because then it would become a ST GCD as well
and would probably need a rage cost to compensate
indigo quarry
remove CD make it rage cost
edgy widget
Wrecking Throw good dam
gilded pawn
when i ran wrecking throw on raz i just used it when im pulled out of the boss
indigo quarry
from full passive to active that cost rage with no CD
upbeat sentinel
Dk has been stuck with the current iteration of cleaving strikes for like 3 expansions 😦
indigo quarry
Arms current sweeping strikes is the same
upbeat sentinel
It’s the 1 thing frost players tend to fuckin hate (that and taking chill streak because of a fucking set bonus but that’ll be gone)
upbeat sentinel
isnt cleaving in dnd something they got from unholy
It’s in the DK tree so all 3 specs do it
bitter palm
yes but it came from unholy
upbeat sentinel
Idk I never play UH
bitter palm
thats what im saying
edgy widget
from full passive to active that cost rage with no CD
I don't think it ever had a rage cost with no CD, though it did for a time have a rage cost and a cd
edgy widget
na it just had a 10 second CD in MoP & WoD
and then in Legion it was passive, those were the good old days
indigo quarry
but duration was enough to have it 100% no ?
edgy widget
pretty close, I believe it was 10 up 10 down, so you had about a GCDs worth of downtime in between
I don't think it was swing limited anymore in WoD, though I could be misremembering
in earlier expansions, it was limited to 5/10 swings and usually ate all those charges up before the duration mattered
storm matrix
when should i craft lariat? 485 w/ 5 gems
coarse nest
When it sims better than other options
indigo arch
At 7 gems it nearly breaks even in st vs one shadowflame for me, and 4k+ in mt, at 5 gem idk
left perch
what kind of cc in m+ will you have where this is a concern? you’re a) doing a soft cc, and b) doing damage close enough to a mob to break it? That sounds no no worded
indigo quarry
pretty sure the way they gonna implement it we wont have the CC immunity
warm crag
where are you standing for the procced bladestorm to pull something that isnt in combat
young swan
i thought he was talking about bladestorm proc randomly immuning cc on the player
but if not yeah that makes no sense
they arent gonna balance a proc around random fringe 1% interactions unless if that interaction is easily replicable or consistent in any way/obscenely broken
tame goblet
Whats the best sim option when figuring out top gear for fury in m+?
covert blaze
Whats the best sim option when figuring out top gear for fury in m+?
Patchwerk 1 target 5 minutes
gilded pawn
idk about 400
oblique trail
Idk
I don't really care to play around with it
Mine is just set to 200 and has been for as long as I can remember
warm crag
use 3000
eternal sundial
use 7
barren dagger
you can't just send the leggo crafts on poublic orders right? need to be in party with the person crafting?
why is this shit so convoluted
eternal sundial
cuz
eternal sundial
idk i got mine done for free
cuz guildmate
and with procs he made like 70k off of it
barren dagger
ye my guild is dead
oblique trail
Unlearn a profession you don't care about if you got one at lvl 1, learn the professions, craft it yourself
Charging for it is criminal
barren dagger
i can craft everything myself?
mossy fox
i asked a friendly demon hunter named benzaidh to make my leggo parts
he only charged 50k each part
harsh fractal
i can craft everything myself?
Yeah or just get the level 1 profs on any alt
mossy fox
yeah general recommendation is to set spellqueue window to be your ms+100, but no lower than 150
but even then if you dont know what you're doing you prolly should just leave it at 400
mossy fox
big brain play
barren dagger
i saw a wowhead comment on that selfcrafting tip but i will just unlearn BS i think
and just learn each prof
mossy fox
if you have a friend they can just do it on an alt for you
if you dont want to unlearn a prof
eternal sundial
My ms spikes to 5k sometime so I set it to 5100
playable trust
slim coral
That does look like underrot but it also looks like he’s dead
covert blaze
where are you
Sunniest EU landscape
slim coral
Grey screen
eternal sundial
that looks like underrot
mossy fox
damn
slim coral
eternal sundial
leveling fated frogs
slim coral
Fated what?0
covert blaze
what class
slim coral
What is a fated frog
eternal sundial
what class
frost magus
covert blaze
eternal sundial
i have 2 mages at max level but whatever
slim coral
frost magus
Why frost
covert blaze
1 for each spec
slim coral
Oh I see you’re doing a theme
eternal sundial
not really i just havent wanted to play the other 2 since rework
you also look cooler on this one compared to my orc mage 
covert blaze
you also look cooler on this one compared to my orc mage <:gladge:96397013770110...
is she single
eternal sundial
😳
clever belfry
i have 2 mages at max level but whatever
seven
eternal sundial
What tabard is thst
its isle of conquest meta achieve ally version
which is infinitely better than horde one
ancient quiver
I need that
eternal sundial
its very cringe to get
unfortunately
you need to win 100 of that shit and do a bunch of sidequests 
frozen berry
Am I misreading that for Mountain Thane hero talent tree for Fury the talent 'Call of Thunder' is replacing Whirlwind for Thunderclap in our aoe rotation? For dmg and to make our abilties cleave?
clever belfry
100 IOC 💀💀💀
eternal sundial
just have to queue in pain
oblique trail
just have to queue in pain
sieben
gilded pawn
Am I misreading that for Mountain Thane hero talent tree for Fury the talent 'Ca...
thats the current intent yes
oblique trail
You have more IoC wins than I have BGs played total
gilded pawn
those trees are still very WIP, especially that one
slim coral
Bro the pirate mog is so good
timid forge
If my guild gets smoldie down this week what do yall think the chances of getting past swifty and into fyraak would be b4 seasons done?
oblique trail
There's a chance albeit pretty small
covert blaze
If my guild gets smoldie down this week what do yall think the chances of gettin...
Not looking good
oblique trail
You have prob a month and a half at most
timid forge
if say we're a 200+ pull count smoldie crew so far
oblique trail
Yeah that's not hot
eternal sundial
If my guild gets smoldie down this week what do yall think the chances of gettin...
no
ur not passing tindral
warm crag
There's a chance albeit pretty small
fyrakk edge jumpscare
slim coral
Not to be offensive but if you are still on smolderon tindral will take you twice as long
timid forge
see thats why i fuck with yall.. always facts no feelings with the opinions
covert blaze
fyrakk edge jumpscare
I love edging
slim coral
Wrong channel bro
oblique trail
fyrakk edge jumpscare
orange man phone jumpscare
eternal sundial
nothing wrong with edging
covert blaze
Wrong channel bro
my mistake original gangster
light stump
I've just been using tepid versa flasks for M+, but are any of the others better? Corrupting rage?
light stump
aight ty
the restored dreamleaf buff doesn't go away even after you finish the quest? Is there a reason or can I remove it
dapper goblet
🧀
oblique trail
After you've finished the quest there's no reason for it no
eternal sundial
it just went away sometime
desert cloud
does anyone want to duo plunder booty ?
upbeat sentinel
ur not passing tindral
Is Tindral a 4 week guaranteed p much?
dapper goblet
shouldnt take 4 weeks on tindris..
ancient quiver
Ur gunna have to whip out the wallet for Tindall at this point
upbeat sentinel
Ur gunna have to whip out the wallet for Tindall at this point
warm crag
oblique trail
TOO MUCH MONEY
ancient quiver
https://tenor.com/view/money-wallet-empty-wallet-full-wallet-rich-gif-1073416543...
Single?
compact knot
You have more IoC wins than I have BGs played total
you can do some pretty fun shit in epic bgs tbh
with the right build
its like mythic + but against people
oblique trail
You'd have to enjoy pvp first
compact knot
nah i hate pvp but this shit is fun lol
warm crag
not the polar incident
compact knot
@oblique trail
sullen dove
banze
sullen dove
what did blud do
sick viper
If my guild gets smoldie down this week what do yall think the chances of gettin...
guild hop
desert cloud
is that some weird drop that makes ravager pull players
compact knot
let me find the item real quick
there is a engi item that grips people in
only works outside of raid/rated stuff
compact knot
is that some weird drop that makes ravager pull players
i made a macro that throws this and ravager at the same time in the same spot lol
timid forge
guild hop
naw im not gonna hop guilds. this is the first guild tier ive tried to push any mythic progression since nyalotha and they gave me a shot to get back into it. im happy with 6/9 if thats what i end up finishing at.
compact knot
Man I gotta do that now
there are some consums that increase damage for free that arent expensive at all
desert cloud
saltwater
desert cloud
u get from the boxes
compact knot
volatile crimson embers are 1 per 100 honor
so pretty easy to get, also has double the duration of saltwater
and warbanner of ire gives you 5% str
sick viper
naw im not gonna hop guilds. this is the first guild tier ive tried to push any ...
I mean as long as you're happy
Imo any guild that pushes mythic the whole tier and doesn't get CE is a fail
but im selfish af when it comes to playing this game lol
sick viper
Im huge on the sunk cost aspect
timid forge
i get what ur saying but i still feel like i got more to iron out in my own gameplay so a mid tier raid guild is perfect for me for right now. but once i feel like ive gone as far as i can then im def gonna look to move up from into at like top 1000 guild
i think the worst i could do would be to punch above my weight class ya know
sick viper
you'd be surprised how many dogshit players apply up and get in
sullen dove
timid forge
yea and then look like idiots for not putting the work in
storm rune
At this point in the season you've got people parsing sub 10 just to fill raid spots on Fyrakk
You get to win the fight against the real boss, Roster
sullen dove
yea.........................
sick viper
yea some people just recruit for bodies
sullen dove
if you do like... 40% more dps than tanks and arent dying on cooldown every pull, youre prolly better than half the ppl in world 1000ish ranks
sick viper
yea there's a good chance you can get in on a guild thats still progging Tind or Fyrakk
brittle crow
You get to win the fight against the real boss, Roster
we're having this issue and we're only 4/9 xd
sick viper
I had half gray parses when I hopped in on a Tindral kill
timid forge
ill link ya my wcl and u tell me. my mythic logs are shit but my heroic arent that bad. ive got a few really decent rankings
sick viper
no blue/purp parses either
warm crag
where are the 99s
timid forge
in the normals
cold jolt
200?
warm crag
you're overthinking it
storm rune
generally recommended your ms+100-150
clever belfry
🥦🥦🥦
timid forge
u just want ur spellqueue to be crisp enough to not munch by canceling out spells when ur smashing ur keys
sick viper
I got 50 ms
cold jolt
i got 20 ms
timid forge
i run 32ms so i set mine to 182
storm rune
I think my ethernet cord is fucking with my ms
no way I should be getting close to 150 with fiber in central canada
timid forge
how much bandwidth is being taken up by other stuff on ur network when ur playing
warm crag
ill link ya my wcl and u tell me. my mythic logs are shit but my heroic arent th...
also please remove the helmet ty
young swan
are u playing on a central server in wow?
have to remember that canada doesnt actually have any servers
storm rune
Pretty sure, on Sarg
timid forge
also please remove the helmet ty
lol i had to go full mog or kt wouldnt drop the sword for me this week
covert blaze
No way you should get 150 from canada tho, no?
young swan
yeah that shouldnt be happening
ancient quiver
I have 70 from Canada to sarg
young swan
prob some ISP fuckery
clever belfry
i am eating this right now
i have consumed 2 broccolis this week
warm crag
very good
storm rune
I'm like an hour from the US border, you'd think the Chi servers would be pretty decent
covert blaze
I get 160-180 from the other side of the planet
warm crag
you will grow very large and strong
young swan
lord knows canadian ISP's are dogass
clever belfry
no i shall stay small and weak
timid forge
broccoli is the food my food eats
warm crag
no i shall stay small and weak
NOOOOO!
sick viper
brogoli
storm rune
prob some ISP fuckery
This makes the most sense to me, Canadian ISPs are absolute mobsters
clever belfry
broccoli is the food my food eats
ahahha greens BAD am i RIGHT my fellow MEATLOVERS????
covert blaze
no i shall stay small and weak
yamato irl
young swan
This makes the most sense to me, Canadian ISPs are absolute mobsters
they are very dogshit!
i hate rogers!
timid forge
i live by the ron swanson code to manhood
warm crag
ahahha greens BAD am i RIGHT my fellow MEATLOVERS????
if i touch something green i wither away and explode
i have never tasted good food in my life
clever belfry
me when im unable to cook my food properly so only meat tastes okay
storm rune
Dude fuck rogers, I'm on a fiber network and getting the same MS as when I lived in England
clever belfry
farmed
warm crag
yeah this country sucks
okay but your flag is really fucking cool
clever belfry
u guys dont have 5ms?
warm crag
rolled?
young swan
okay but your flag is really fucking cool
yeah its pretty okay i guess
warm crag
@young swan log in
young swan
i had 15 when i was on illidan
storm rune
Toron'o
timid forge
u guys got truedauo what more do u need
young swan
was pretty nice
brittle crow
<@137363315817971712> log in
what difficulty
warm crag
what difficulty
helldive???
young swan
canada would be sick if we didnt have the highest cost of living in the developed world
warm crag
nothing else is worth doing
brittle crow
helldive???
im scared of helldive :(
i need a pro gamer to come in and teach me how to properly helldive
clever belfry
canada would be sick if we didnt have the highest cost of living in the develope...
switzerland has called
young swan
<@137363315817971712> log in
is the gnome bomb real or have i been trolled
covert blaze
a 1 bedroom dogshit apartment in my city ( 150k ppl) is 1500 in the ghetto
1500 Canadian?
cold jolt
yes
storm rune
a 1 bedroom dogshit apartment in my city ( 150k ppl) is 1500 in the ghetto
I rented a house for a few years in Regina for 1400, 5 bathrooms 5 bedrooms
clever belfry
now, i will say u are completely safe in canadas ghettos
its insane to me how this is a consideration
cold jolt
how
clever belfry
euro pilled
storm rune
but y'know, I had to live in Saskatchewan
storm rune
Oh yeah the real cities of canada are atrocious
cold jolt
i live in hamilton specifically
storm rune
all 2 of them
cold jolt
luckioly my parents are rich
covert blaze
its insane to me how this is a consideration
The EU mind cannot comprehend danger in every day life
cold jolt
and ih ave largei nheritances
clever belfry
it really cant
clever belfry
and ih ave largei nheritances
u got a stroke too?
warm crag
The EU mind cannot comprehend danger in every day life
i cannot comprehend perishing in an encounter with the police
storm rune
the ghettos of EU are fucking adorable, their gangsters are hilarious
cold jolt
ya in canada they dont do anything unless u fuck with them
they just wana do their own crime in peace
young swan
i cannot comprehend perishing in an encounter with the police
not so much of an issue in canadaland but yeah its pretty wild
storm rune
English thugs reminded me of being back in middle school
clever belfry
English thugs reminded me of being back in middle school
until they stab you yeah
cold jolt
in the states i heard ppl randomly just get killed for glancing wrong at someone
covert blaze
i cannot comprehend perishing in an encounter with the police
The police don't even shoot you here
half cargo
The EU mind cannot comprehend danger in every day life
nah, that's just the image they try to sell. Look into the crime statistics and you'll get the real picture
warm crag
not so much of an issue in canadaland but yeah its pretty wild
you say this yet you clearly are pear shaped
cold jolt
gottem
warm crag
🍐
covert blaze
What is sponge cooking
cold jolt
rolled
young swan
i am not a pear
clever belfry
nah, that's just the image they try to sell. Look into the crime statistics and ...
me when incarceration rate (we abuse the poor as slave labour)
cold jolt
saying u got thenm cheeks
warm crag
me when incarceration rate (we abuse the poor as slave labour)
me when slavery is literally legal
sick viper
ya no meme i am pretty mentally disabled
cold jolt
same
timid forge
i live in nashville and cost of live here is outrageous. 1br in the city is gonna run 1200 or more a month for an apartment. u cant buy a house for under 500k unless u move 20 mins outside of town
storm rune
Juicy like a peach, shaped like a pear 
cold jolt
my grandparents who also semi raised me
covert blaze
HAHAHAH
real
cold jolt
used to be worth like 10 million
solemn plover
i am not a pear
he didnt say pear just pear shaped
warm crag
i am not a pear
🍐
cold jolt
but my papa got into gambling and alchohol
clever belfry
i live in nashville and cost of live here is outrageous. 1br in the city is gonn...
500k? thats cute
cold jolt
so L
young swan
i live in nashville and cost of live here is outrageous. 1br in the city is gonn...
im not even kidding this is cheap by canada's standards
cold jolt
just got the 3 mil house now
cold jolt
im not even kidding this is cheap by canada's standards
100%
covert blaze
ya no meme i am pretty mentally disabled
I can tell + I relate + I love you
storm rune
The real problem with Canada is 50% of the population lives in the same city
young swan
like even after conversion thats a steal
cold jolt
:3333
hallow sphinx
like even after conversion thats a steal
clever belfry
mraow :3
cold jolt
im ghonna go drink cofee cooled down with ice and then do thrones until i die
tardy lark
:3
young swan
:3
cold jolt
:3
sick viper
but my papa got into gambling and alchohol
clever belfry
:3
cold jolt
meow x333
covert blaze
:3
timid forge
the problem with canada is actually not knowing if they wanna be french or english while living american
cold jolt
:3>
solemn plover
mreoooow :3
warm crag
if hypothethically the noise was calling
solemn plover
if hypothethically the noise was calling
PICK UP PHONE
warm crag
PICK UP PHONE
wah
storm rune
A true Canadian switches constantly between sounding like a Quebecois and someone from North Dakota to fuck with Americans
clever belfry
Quebecois is not canada
storm rune
tabernack
sullen dove
okay but your flag is really fucking cool
A FUCKING LEAF 
young swan
if i ever sound like im french canadian i will ask for my head to be blown off
sorry del and rafkar
storm rune
if i ever sound like im french canadian i will ask for my head to be blown off
You're missing out on a great opportunity to both make fun of the french and screw with tourists
clever belfry
A FUCKING LEAF <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
ur flag is impossible to draw
shit flag F tier
young swan
real
covert blaze
People always think I'm french Canadian because of my accent
sullen dove
bro cant draw a couple lines and dots
warm crag
whats the canadian flag aspect ratio
clever belfry
let me perfectly align 51 fucking stars
sullen dove
i think its 12x harder to draw all the little corners on the leaf
solemn plover
young swan
1:2:1
warm crag
this is king
young swan
i think thats what u mean by aspect ratio but idk
clever belfry
the aspect ratio is probably 2:3, but i think he meant the split ye
or were flags 5:3
i forgor
covert blaze
we love tricolor flags
🤌
clever belfry
(not all are this ofc, like switzerland)
storm rune
Fun fact, my home province was voted the worst flag in the entire world
clever belfry
canada uses 1:2 gg
young swan
switzerland is the square right
clever belfry
most do use 2:3 tho
clever belfry
switzerland is the square right
yes, 1:1
young swan
wacky lil cheese men
young swan
nepal flag goes hard
covert blaze
young swan
i feel like nepal gotta be the best
clever belfry
nah i gotta respect togo
for having an irrational proportion on their flag
thats insane
so true man
covert blaze
What in the goddamn
dapper goblet
dont you mean you bought one
covert blaze
just lost 800k from one*
cold jolt
first dungeonm with 200 spell queueing
covert blaze
you blind?
I think you sent before that for him to copy the message
For you to screenshot
"just to be safe"
dapper goblet
uh huh...
slim coral
I think you sent before that for him to copy the message
no I told himto pay 100k upfront
just incase he tried to scamaze
hallow sphinx
whatcha buyin bud
slim coral
idk
cold jolt
gajeel wahts ur spell queue
hallow sphinx
gajeel wahts ur spell queue
yes
clever belfry
whatcha buyin bud
clever belfry
between 1-400
cold jolt
excessively
clever belfry
probably
slim coral
where do you see spell queue
covert blaze
Bazed-Zul'jin IS A BUYER IN THE CHAT
cold jolt
idk 😭
slim coral
my dpi is 3200
cold jolt
gamer
slim coral
where is spell queue
covert blaze
my dpi is 3200
same
Well, 3100
clever belfry
where do you see spell queue
/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")
covert blaze
where is spell queue
Advanced interface options
covert blaze
me when no context
clever belfry
relevant statistics 
cold jolt
IT FEELS ICKY
covert blaze
send screenshot
not funny man
cold jolt
ICKY
hallow sphinx
gajeel wahts ur spell queue
100
covert blaze
It's an addon
slim coral
oh
covert blaze
Or run the command
That Ander posted
You don't know about this so 99% it's on 400
cold jolt
im trying 100
slim coral
oh mine is at 400
covert blaze
yeah..
cold jolt
200 is icky
slim coral
No reason to change it
covert blaze
The higher the better as long as it doesn't cause you problems
slim coral
works fine fr me
cold jolt
mine was 46
covert blaze
mine was 46
Yeah that's some troll stuff
cold jolt
im trying 100 now
hallow sphinx
🫡
cold jolt
im hitting my buttosn to ofast
covert blaze
don't listen to gajeel I don't think he's human
cold jolt
its not keeping up
covert blaze
hallow sphinx
don't listen to gajeel I don't think he's human
prob right
covert blaze
prob right
🤖
slim coral
Apparently Gajeel screechs like a monkey in raid
storm rune
They're clearly a catgirl
slim coral
thats coming from his guildies
hallow sphinx
Apparently Gajeel screechs like a monkey in raid
what else is new
cold jolt
i dont know why i cant get used to 100
clever belfry
if u play woyer and u dont meow in raid
cold jolt
its so slow
clever belfry
youre not real
oblique trail
if u play woyer and u dont meow in raid
brrrnya
oblique trail
I will put a voice clip of me meowing on repeat next prog night
clever belfry
i will make sure to mute ur stream
oblique trail
what the FUCK
covert blaze
I will put a voice clip of me meowing on repeat next prog night
I'll be tuning in for sure
slim coral
I will put a voice clip of me meowing on repeat next prog night
link to this channel
when you do it
slim coral
So not in two days
warm crag
banezi very dangerous
warm crag
Make sure to tune in to /Banezio this Sunday
clever belfry
axe dragon will perish
clever path
Can i talk smack about ret paladin
covert blaze
Can i talk smack about ret paladin
If you're afraid of typing "shit", I doubt whatever you want to say is too offensive
clever path
Last time i tried cussing in here it censored me lol
covert blaze
clever belfry
it kinda depends
storm rune
oh yeah, the censors are weird here
clever path
I always knew ret pally was easy but i just got the leggo and didnt realize it was as easy as it was. Auto attack builder is kinda nutty
Like having that be the best dps build i should say
indigo quarry
Ret have it easy because they are special kids
so the spec need to be on their lvl of specialness
clever path
Like imagine, having the most utility, a lot of damage, and having the EASIEST rotation ever
storm rune
but you have to be pink
clever belfry
pink is alpha as fuck
covert blaze
Ret have it easy because they are special kids
I'm in your name and it offends me
storm rune
alpha is beta asf
clever belfry
thats the least based reason to dislike pally imo
covert blaze
:3
indigo quarry
pink is alpha color
storm rune
Blue is so epsilon tho
clever path
Ew mage
dapper goblet
🧀
storm rune
For me it's always the tanks
covert blaze
I wouldn't have a problem with paladin if they were a melee class still
clever belfry
delete long arms for all classes
indigo quarry
delete long arms for all classes
BASED
storm rune
3 kids in the background having a battle with pots and pans as armour
covert blaze
delete long arms for all classes
give long arms to all melee, rather
clever path
delete long arms for all classes
Real and true
clever belfry
give long arms to all melee, rather
no.
long arms on specs has very clearly come at a dogshit in melee creep
covert blaze
long arms on specs has very clearly come at a dogshit in melee creep
I don't know what this means
I'm sorry
clever belfry
unlucky
covert blaze
indeed
ancient quiver
I don't think it was english
clever belfry
melee has been getting shittier to be in, as they kept adding long arms to more classes
ancient quiver
Tbh
clever belfry
it was just bad punctuation, but it was english
storm rune
nah that was the first sign of a stroke
ancient quiver
clever belfry
? no
long arms is a blight upon the game
just make melee playable without it again (-> die storming die) and we are fine :3
covert blaze
If they still design like they do but remove long arms for everyone then melee is just dogass
storm rune
we get what you mean, we're just negging you so you like us more
ancient quiver
Storming best afix
clever belfry
If they still design like they do but remove long arms for everyone then melee i...
thats the point, they wouldnt
ancient quiver
Make Mario noise when u bounce bis pov
clever belfry
if you look at recent tiers and you cant see a correlation between more specs getting long arms and melee becoming more and more AIDS to be in
you just dont have eyes i think
covert blaze
thats the point, they wouldnt
wouldn't giving long arms to everyone fix the problem then
clever belfry
then u just move the issue outwards
its just dumb we can hit shit three times the reach of our weps
ancient quiver
Just make less poo bosses
clever belfry
just design mobs around being hitable yknow
gaunt sonnet
its just dumb we can hit shit three times the reach of our weps
Surely you’re not making a realism argument in WoW
clever belfry
i am not
covert blaze
At least we can agree in that long arms for everyone or for no one would still be better than what we have currently
clever belfry
this has less to do with realism than it just looking silly
slim coral
then u just move the issue outwards
if they made more hitboxes like smolderon
wouldnt be an issue
clever belfry
At least we can agree in that long arms for everyone or for no one would still b...
absolutely
this half n half approach they have currently is horrendously bad though
young swan
i didnt mind long arms when it was limited to outlaw rogue
made outlaw feel cool and special
melee mechanics werent balanced around it
was a special bit of flavor
clever belfry
i mean sure thing, have it on one of the uptime slave specs
covert blaze
agree
ancient quiver
Wym rogue with tiny dagger can auto 10 yards away
gaunt sonnet
I agree. The balance between melee specs is awful generally. I main Rogue and alt Warrior and I just can’t understand how the class designers don’t rebalance them a bit. Rogue has every utility under the sun and Warrior has almost none.
clever belfry
Wym rogue with tiny dagger can auto 10 yards away
its not supposed to be like that
its supposed to be you weaving in and out of melee
using your agility
covert blaze
Wym rogue with tiny dagger can auto 10 yards away
Yeah hunters should have 100yd range cause they have a gun
clever belfry
which is also the reason feral has it
young swan
for the same reason im okay with feral having it
but it should be WAY more limited than it is
or just give it to everyone
covert blaze
fuck rp and fantasy make the game good lmfao
gaunt sonnet
Lore should not come into melee reach imo. Should just be the same.
young swan
just restating what anda already said
dense elbow
How many got it atm, Feral, rogue and Paladin?
sullen dove
meow
gaunt sonnet
Surv
dense elbow
Surv got extended melee range, or do they simply have abilities with range?
covert blaze
How many got it atm, Feral, rogue and Paladin?
Everyone but warrior and dk iirc
young swan
depends if u mean extended melee range or the ability to do basically ur entire rotation from ranged
gaunt sonnet
What about enhance?
dense elbow
Guess they count as extendo arms, if we talking about having parts of the kit ranged?
gaunt sonnet
Wrecking Throw
slim coral
don't forget frost
covert blaze
Guess they count as extendo arms, if we talking about having parts of the kit ra...
Kinda does for dk cause you can generate and spend from range (not optimally obviously)
young swan
yeah but frost can only press howling blast
dense elbow
DH is not extendo arms range tho - they are felblade back on accident into the hitbox and die - range
covert blaze
Frost can do a lot from range
No one cares about that spec
slim coral
pillar
young swan
cant press oblit, frost strike, or do breath from range
slim coral
is ranged
young swan
pillar is a self buff
slim coral
also I think BoS is ranged
covert blaze
BoS is a frontal cone
slim coral
I forgot the talent they take for keys
young swan
obliteration?
young swan
sindy?
covert blaze
Glacial advance
slim coral
let me look it up
young swan
thats a 3 min cd
clever belfry
BOS is such a fucking uptime slave spec
clever belfry
its bad bad bad
covert blaze
BOS is such a fucking uptime slave spec
Worst prog spec in the game lul
young swan
frost absolutely does not fit into "doing damage from range"
dense elbow
Question is: Can FDK actually stay ranged and do full dam?
If no - then they are not extendo arms.
young swan
if you think it does ur a clown
clever belfry
if you think it does ur a clown
chill streak bro!!! turst me bro!!!
young swan
!!!!!
young swan
yeah unholy has it pretty good
indigo quarry
Ret is the BM hunter #2
dense elbow
So, extendo arms are:
Rogue, Feral and Paladin.
Semi-ranged:
Survhunter, UDK
Melee:
Warrior, FDK, DH, Monk
?
young swan
monk has skyreach
dense elbow
That be extendo arms?
covert blaze
No
young swan
kinda
indigo quarry
Skyreach make them sticky
young swan
sort
dense elbow
semi-ranged?
young swan
not reall
dense elbow
what do
slim coral
So, extendo arms are:
Rogue, Feral and Paladin.
Semi-ranged:
Survhunter, UDK
Mel...
uh you forgot shamana
and survival
dense elbow
Shaman... exsists?
dense elbow
So monk stays in melee, enh goes melee
slim coral
and what about surv
fleet sorrel
slim coral
is it mixed or what
dense elbow
6 melee melee, 2 semi-melee, 3 extendo-arms?
slim coral
uh idk
covert blaze
I think I played 10 minutes of surv 5 years ago
dense elbow
If it is like the breakdown metnioned, I think its probably fine
It is not everyone, that is for sure
slim coral
wait doesnt enhacement have a ranged build or something
covert blaze
What is fine?
dense elbow
The breakdown
covert blaze
wait doesnt enhacement have a ranged build or something
Your spenders are ranged but you gotta build in melee
slim coral
ah
covert blaze
The breakdown
Fine as in correct, or fine as in it's fine that the game is like this?
dense elbow
Fine the game is like this
dense elbow
So you would be happy if?
covert blaze
a take
dense elbow
1 extendo, 1 semi-ranged, rest melee melee?
covert blaze
All melee or all extendo, with some relevant spell/spells you can cast when you leave melee
dense elbow
What is wrong with having some classes work a bit different?
covert blaze
you a hipster enough to be happy with the short end of the stick?
every single time?
covert blaze
If feels like shit being full melee and being literally worse than other specs that hit the boss from Africa
Maybe that's just me idk
dense elbow
if a pala bonks a little bit futher away, doesnt stop me from bonking?
young swan
have u ever tried playing an extendo spec and then going back to warrior
it actually feels like dogshit
ancient quiver
Nymue ptsd
dense elbow
I have, ye - and I agree extendo feels good, but I bind that to that class - I enjoy the two different feels they both have
covert blaze
if a pala bonks a little bit futher away, doesnt stop me from bonking?
Not caring about balance is fine if that's your thing
dense elbow
So it is a huge problem?
ancient quiver
Yes
dense elbow
Ok, arguments for and against?
ancient quiver
Long arm pp big short arm pp smal
covert blaze
Make a poll
dense elbow
Ah, so it is more a 'I feel' thing
got ya
I totally get that, extendoarms do feel great to have
but if everyone have it, noone does
dense elbow
Not really, I am kinda chill about all but OF
young swan
the thing with long arms is it just makes playing melee objectively easier
ancient quiver
There's definitely cases where the extra range is worth a number of dps so there's that but gl trying to find ghaf number
young swan
ur just better cause u have higher uptime on fights with mechanics like nymue
ancient quiver
Exactly
dense elbow
So your argument, Arcane, is that ret/rogue/feral does more DPS than warrior - because of the range?
young swan
you can move where you want, dodge mechanics, and still dps
ancient quiver
No
covert blaze
So your argument, Arcane, is that ret/rogue/feral does more DPS than warrior - b...
Why you straw-manning man
I cba
dense elbow
I am curious
slim coral
I feel like nymue wasn't that hard to keep up time although I agree with the poit you're making
young swan
if you want to play ethically/safe you would lose uptime to dance correctly
ancient quiver
I'm saying those same classes if thr long arm was removed would do less
young swan
and if you were playing a spec with long arms you wouldnt lose uptime
dense elbow
My stance is: Extendo arms is a feels good, but I got enough tools to play in melee-melee range and fights generally dont punish that.
young swan
but a number of fights this tier do punish that
covert blaze
Guess you like being punished for no reason
slim coral
we just had the mele group split into 2
young swan
nymue, smolderon, larodar
dense elbow
Nymue forced you out of melee?
ancient quiver
Smold with extendo feels dramatically easier too
young swan
if ur doing soaks during lines? absolutely
dense elbow
This is fair ^ - but I dont feel my DPS suffered for it
young swan
again
if you are playing ethically and safe
you are gonna do less dps without long arms
dense elbow
Found I could reach the soaks and hit the boss, with the very minimal of downtime
Maybe I was just bad at soaking, could be
young swan
yes and you would have 0 downtime with long arms
because you're never moving outside 8 yards but moving outside 5 yards is semi frequent
dense elbow
Aight, so it is more a feels good perspective, of minmax, than necessary?
covert blaze
How is this even an argument
young swan
its more like, why should half of all melee specs have an advantage for arbitrary reasons
when you can easily apply those same arbitrary reasons to the rest of melee specs
dense elbow
I find the 5 vs 8y argument to be a decent one - question is if it effects things to the degree it would cause an imbalance
If it really does, then for sure there is a case to be made. But if we keep the same DPS level as others, even doing so, then we are fine.
That is how I would look at it.
young swan
the argument is just: person A and person B both maintain 100% uptime. Person A has long arms, Person B does not. Person B will die due to being hit by a mechanic because they dont have as high range, much more frequently
alternatively, person B just does less damage than is optimal because they are forced out of melee
covert blaze
If it really does, then for sure there is a case to be made. But if we keep the ...
Yeah I wouldn't have a problem with this if for example ret paladin wasn't better at everything
dense elbow
Sure, both classes play mechanically a little bit different. There is some efficency loss, but is that really a bad thing - not just gameplay difference between the two?
covert blaze
But it is
dense elbow
Yeah I wouldn't have a problem with this if for example ret paladin wasn't bette...
This is why I wondered, if you thought that was bound to the extendoarms
ancient quiver
If both are designed around uptime yes
U could design a melee spec to do all their dmg in bursts and it would matter less but it would still matter
hardy cargo
disregarding class design the melee class loses melees
covert blaze
This is why I wondered, if you thought that was bound to the extendoarms
It's part of the problem, obviously
hardy cargo
so thats less dam
young swan
also for some reason the melee specs that are energy based and just dont lose as much from downtime have it
randomly
outlaw makes sense cause its an uptime spec
why the fuck do sin, sub, feral have it
dense elbow
So you would be happier if, example feral, got their melee range reduced to melee, but got extended effect on their AoE effects and finishers?
indigo quarry
outlaw makes sense cause its an uptime spec
i'm an uptime spec so give me ! 
bring back everyone to 5yards
and make hitbox just better
young swan
i dont really care, my main point is give it to everyone or keep it special
50% of melee isnt special
it just feels shitty for the other 50%
maiden ingot
^
dense elbow
So remove it from two of the three rogue specs, and we fine?
covert blaze
Agree with xan 100%
clever belfry
nymue, smolderon, larodar
i would even say fyrakk long arms nets u a lot of dambur
0 risk during firestorms or blazes
young swan
So remove it from two of the three rogue specs, and we fine?
kinda sorta? if that means being melee isnt turbo aids anymore then yeah
clever belfry
ofc you can outplay that in a perfect world but yknow.
dense elbow
Aight - sounds fair to me Xan
young swan
i would even say fyrakk long arms nets u a lot of dambur
yeah i forgot about that bird
dense elbow
Some reeling in could be alright
ancient quiver
Long arms was pretty noticeable on raz too now that will be relevant again
And senarth
covert blaze
hate spider
young swan
kurog
long arms just busted
just makes so many fights so much less aids
p2 of brood as well
ancient quiver
Erenog even
Erenog wall kill me so many time on warrior
Skill issue but like fuck
dense elbow
Who was Erenog again?
ancient quiver
Eggnog
covert blaze
First boss vault
ancient quiver
First boss vsult
dense elbow
The kill the guy spawning some adds that went towards middle?
ancient quiver
Yea
dense elbow
Ah, because of the boss some times got fire under it, once in a while?
ancient quiver
No the wall of adds with lazers
dense elbow
... that killed you, because you walked into it?
ancient quiver
Yes
dense elbow
ye, I agree, sounds more like a skill WASD issue than extendo arms
ancient quiver
Ok
dense elbow
Your point is valid, in it would be easier, but still
clever belfry
a lot of things are outplayable with regular melee range, but the difference in difficulty is silly
young swan
thats kind of the point
long arms removes the difficulty of playing melee
completely
dense elbow
Ok, so it is kinda back to the whole it feels unfair, even if you can play around the handicap.
ancient quiver
I'm having a stroke
covert blaze
dense elbow
Yeah, I get your side. I am simply just not that bothered personally, but I can emphatise. I have struggled, while the rets play around ignoring the mechanics. So I know the pain. I just don't see it as a problem with the game itself.
To me, I guess, they kinda go into the ranged camp in my head. And it ends at that.
fleet sorrel
right..
cold jolt
right..
cold jolt
is fuyry or arms gonan be better s4
summer quail
will prob depend on the key
ancient quiver
Both will be op warrior will be the new mage
summer quail
no, i mean arms will prob be better in keys where there's bigger pulls @cold jolt
frank dawn
I don’t care what they do with melee range. It just needs to be the same for everyone
Oh I hadn’t scrolled down, hue
Point stands
cold jolt
make melee ranged ret paladin
fr
why does it feel like my bt isnt ready after my rampager
it feels like its on cd
olive wraith
Why are you showing stat weights
hallow sphinx
summer quail
just trust the topgear sims, if it says you want more mastery then do so
pretty simple
olive wraith
You have more than enough haste to bt after ramp
cold jolt
it feels like i dont
olive wraith
Are you using the right talents
olive wraith
Idk what to tell you. Shouldn’t have an issue
