fury

[left perch]

or am I stoopeedo

[oblique trail]

It gives you crit

on abilities

[fast mural]

it enrages you so technically

[oblique trail]

Reck does not enrage you

[modest condor]

bruh wtf am i reading

[left perch]

we had giga reck uptime in s2 yea?

[oblique trail]

Yes

Because of AM and basically spamming Ramp the moment you could

[left perch]

I am just saying incorrect things, I figured reck uptime would make haste impact too

[modest condor]

no it's the other way around

haste gives you reck uptime with AM

[left perch]

Roger

[red peak]

I just like hitting things

[fast mural]

ok for some reason i thought reck enrages cause it gives us mad rage

[left perch]

It’s weird the slam convo is still happening at the end of s3 anyway

[red peak]

I like slam

Sounds like I'm closing a door

[oblique trail]

There's a reason you reck before charge, it's to guarantee you can insta rampage which will then enrage you

[fast mural]

i belive all the issues people have with slam is either animation or sound related

[edgy widget]

what's the point of any talent 🤷‍♂️

[dense elbow]

To increase mah damage, or it is pointless.

[edgy widget]

so defensive talents are pointless?

[dense elbow]

These be the rules of the comment section

[fast mural]

to give the illusion of choice

[inner cradle]

What's the point warrior

[edgy widget]

to reroll ret

[dense elbow]

Following the rule of "Shockwave is useless and bad, 1% damage loss!", then yes.

[edgy widget]

idk, adding a whole new button that only deals about 1% of your total damage is kind of an issue

it generates rage, so its actually worth a bit more than that... but still not exactly a lot for a whole ass button

[dense elbow]

Storm of Swords, could be reworked to a stacking buff, that grants rage/dam to your next BT, based on downtime to a point - that point being the diff pressing a RB in that space would be. Or something

If the goal is lower APM, something something

[bitter palm]

like devastator makes sense for prot cause it declutters the rotation. crusading strikes on ret sure it introduces some downtime but whats wrong with downtime

anni does nothing new u just replace rb with slam and continue playing

[gilded pawn]

crusading strike brings in a LOT of downtime

technically slam synergies in the class tree are abusrdly strong

[bitter palm]

they are not cause slam is dogshit

[gilded pawn]

well thats slams issue

not slam synergies

you can always tune up SoS damage bonus to slam

[edgy widget]

Crusading Strikes is Annihilator 2.0

[gilded pawn]

crusaing strikes has insane downtime

[bitter palm]

its still better than anni

[gilded pawn]

its like 25% downtime in sims

or something

[lime ice]

Warriors are so boring…Is it really just rampage and bloodthirst constant rotation and get major CDs off cooldown as quick as possible?

[gilded pawn]

and people complain about 1gcd

[edgy widget]

Idk I think there's a point where you look too far behind the curtain and you kinda come to "what's the point in anything"

The point of Annihilator is to offer a different rotation with a different feel - it might not be massively different from the regular rotation, and maybe it could be

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/404soob-pepe-pp-gif-21552696

[dense elbow]

Wouldnt call it boring, but yes - especially next season, that will be the gist of it. Rampage to lower your CD, so you can do more rampages, to get lower CD.

I kinda enjoy it

[edgy widget]

but that doesn't mean it's meaningless - it does accomplish its goal in feeling like an entirely new rotation

[gilded pawn]

BT prio feels more methodical than RB prio

but BB ramp BB ramp just feels like spam

[edgy widget]

maybe not when its every other gcd lol

[gilded pawn]

yea

[edgy widget]

but fury is also kinda supposed to be fast, frenetic, and spammy

[gilded pawn]

im just saying the old 2-3 GCD BTs

prio BT, fill RB in between, and rampage as needed

[bitter palm]

they should replace onslaught with bt

bt should feel like how onslaught feels atm

without having to rely on tierset stacking buffs and shti

[dense elbow]

uhm, you want BT to become a 18 sec CD?

[bitter palm]

how is onslaught 18 s

its 8

or something

[edgy widget]

18 hasted

[bitter palm]

then i forgot i guess

[barren dagger]

It actually feels so good to press BB compared to rampage

[bitter palm]

14 seconds with 28% haste

[edgy widget]

well BB is enabled by a buff and consumes another major buff, so it should feel good

[quiet geyser]

Good chance they combine them or something next expansion. With how the slayer tree worked out... its weird having the BT CDR on such a small cd ability

[edgy widget]

that was one of the ideas I cooked up

[bitter palm]

13s with 5300 haste sounds like something u press quite often

[edgy widget]

either
1 - remove RB resets and make BT the basis of the rotation with RB as a filler (Legion/BfA rotation)
2 - leave RB resets and make BT into a ~10s CD similar to DF S2 gameplay

[gilded pawn]

i like the former

[fast mural]

so turn RB into OP

[bitter palm]

xd

op has more resets than rb

[indigo quarry]

OP isnt a real filler

[edgy widget]

I mean sort of

[fast mural]

OP is the strongest filler ever

[quiet geyser]

Ya, if slayer goes live with current base abilities.. it'll be weird. Slayer tree wants us to use BT more often (basically on CD), however if RB simply hits harder and is spammier.. will be weird

[bitter palm]

in aoe it isnt a filler

its prio in aoe

[edgy widget]

OP's role isn't really filler now, but it does fill the rotation

at this point slam is more the filler for arms

[gilded pawn]

hypothetically Annil is for slayer and RB is for thane

[bitter palm]

i played loboz build a bit and crushing blow still fucking trucks

[edgy widget]

Thane is split between both talents atm, but based on their comments its unlikely

it seems a like they're intending to re-merge RB and BT back into the rotation together, instead of the current either/or design

[quiet geyser]

Regardless if that's the intention, something still needs to be said about BT as a whole. Having 10% CDR or whatever it is on BT, when playing annhi BT is already a 1 global apart CD. Makes no sense

[fast mural]

maybe this will stop us using whirlwind in ST as a filler

[edgy widget]

obviously, things are still subject to change

[edgy widget]

reduce maybe, but probably not omit entirely - again, think BfA rotation

[proper veldt]

they are most likely going to increase the cd of BT

[gilded pawn]

sure that talent is bad, but theres a direct choice node thats better

so its not really an issue

[edgy widget]

or just change those talents around

[bitter palm]

as a filler that doesnt generate rage

[quiet geyser]

Thats not really better at all lol

[gilded pawn]

its fine

but its not useless like 10% CD

this is actually quite ok for arms, less good for fury

[quiet geyser]

Resetting the cd on an ability thats only on cd for 1 global is.. pretty meh

[gilded pawn]

going from 2 global cd to 1 global cd is 100% more casts

[bitter palm]

arms has permanent op anyway

unless u turbo low roll tactician

[gilded pawn]

ye arms has permanent op but now you can get 2 charges off of 1 tc cast

which can be pog

[bitter palm]

ye give op

[fast mural]

i just like how we get auto atack speed as arms so we can dump more rage

[quiet geyser]

It would be cool if they added a slaughtering strikes mechanic, but interacting between BT and RB, promoting using both abilities

[bitter palm]

10 stacks

u will prob overcap on 10 stacks

[edgy widget]

can theorize all day, but this is really just a wait and see situation

[bitter palm]

just gut tactician

[edgy widget]

clearly they have something cooked

just gotta wait for it

[quiet geyser]

Thoughts arch?

[gilded pawn]

ye i was saying that this morning, just let BT and RB empower each other

easiest way

[bitter palm]

if they want op to hit hard it must be something u dont press so often

[fast mural]

hopefully they cook the talent trees for S4

[quiet geyser]

Well looks like wars are getting quite a few changes. Whether you wanna call it a "rework" or not

[fast mural]

would be funny if TWW continues with talent tree reworks on top of hero talents

[quiet geyser]

Should be exciting

[gilded pawn]

idk if rework comes out in S4

it'll probably come out in prepatch

[fast mural]

honestly they shoudnt even give us a tier in fated so they can balance the base trees properly and never have to go back

[gilded pawn]

balance team doesnt need to work on fated

thats literally what they are doing

you have the game engineers work on fated, instead of another tier of balancing tier sets and class

[fast mural]

balance team about to become the biggest department with all those hero talent combinations

[gilded pawn]

game designers can work on TWW stuff

[edgy widget]

if they setup the cooldowns correctly, they don't really need one, but yeah it would work akin to regular Slaughtering I suppose

[quiet geyser]

Balancing the base trees sounds great on paper, but it doesn't really do a whole lot when you have borrowed power involved. Ie. Hero talents, tier sets, etc.

[dense elbow]

With a bit of luck, they make things hit harder by themselves, and are less synergistic. No need for TT to exsist, when you could just bake that powerpath into OF itself. Same for Avatar, it does not need to give reck or cast OF. It simply could just be a button that increases our damage by a flat amount. Simplicity is neat.

[bitter palm]

NOOOOO

we cant make abilities to shit baseline

[edgy widget]

counterpoint: interactions are fun

[bitter palm]

we have to rely on 1249178945 buffs

[edgy widget]

again, this is one of those "pull back the curtain" issues

[fast mural]

having borrowed power means you dont have to balance anything else than the borrowed power

[edgy widget]

if you pull back the curtain far enough, 95% of talents are pointless, they could have all just been baseline effects

but then you have no talents

[bitter palm]

i dont want mortal strike to hit for 80k

[edgy widget]

and the whole point of this talent system was to... well give you talents to interact with

[bitter palm]

without 2x ep tom + cs + avatar

[edgy widget]

what you're asking for is akin to going back to the 3 row talent system, which is fine and even better in some ways, but it's not what the DF talent system set out to do

[quiet geyser]

All the more reason to not waste breath on base specs

[bitter palm]

im asking for abilities to start doing damage on their own like mortal strike

[dense elbow]

AM and reck, is fun. Direct interaction. Reck casting avatar, making the AM interaction into even more than itself, could be seen as one layer too deep.

[edgy widget]

Torment talents are also direct interaction - you press button, things happen

[bitter palm]

mortal strike does nothing

[edgy widget]

it's not a byproduct

[bitter palm]

on its own

[edgy widget]

rage flooding because of Warlords Torment is a byproduct

[bitter palm]

remove martial prowess and buff mortal strike make OP hit hard as fuck but make it a button u dont press that often

[edgy widget]

most buttons don't do much on their own tbh

[gilded pawn]

if you want 1 million hit MS you have to take compromises

[edgy widget]

Overpower doesn't do anything on its own lol

Execute hardly does

[gilded pawn]

you cant have 1 million MS every 6 seconds

[edgy widget]

but you never have those things "on their own" either, so who cares

[gilded pawn]

it's like how outlaw's pistol shot does nothing but feels good once you stack up greenskins

[dense elbow]

You got a talent, that makes reck cast avatar, while another talent that makes reck cast faster, so reck - in itself, can not have that much power - as it is modified by the avatar node as well.

Sure, in essence, you could say "that is calculated in - that is the function", to me it just makes things more messy.

[bitter palm]

ok but u have a 700k ms every 20s with a lucky pips proc + cs tom overlap

[quiet geyser]

Having a little bit of messy is fun though 🙃

[junior gale]

theres so many multiplicatives in the game you just cant have high base dmg abillities

[bitter palm]

there is a reason u mash execute atm

[junior gale]

idk any spec that doesnt follow this rule

[fast mural]

litteraly the entire point of going from old talents to this

[gilded pawn]

you mash execute because of bigger tom

2exe MS still hits harder on paper

[edgy widget]

interaction always makes things messy, but that's also what makes things fun

[gilded pawn]

its just a smaller tom

[edgy widget]

the alternative is 75 talents of individual attacks in the talent tree, and that would not work out

at all lol

[dense elbow]

The AM/reck interaction is the fun part tho, not reck also getting ava.

I would prefer if ava simply did more in itself, on that press.

[edgy widget]

Why is Reck getting Ava not fun?

[fast mural]

i guess cause you have to delay avatar?

or reck

[edgy widget]

A lot of people loved that talent

[edgy widget]

no you don't

[fast mural]

was it reck ?

[junior gale]

you dont delay because ava rack

[fast mural]

didnt we wait for reck to fall of after casting another CD?

[edgy widget]

Berserker's Torment previously required pressing Reck before Ava, but that was fixed last patch

but it only required a specific order, it did not require delay

so you could (and most did) simply macro them

[fast mural]

ok was thinking about OF buff

current season

[dense elbow]

Because as the modifer is now locked to avatar, avatar must now be thought as part of this ability. As another layer. In a world where you want to buff avatar, you would have to change the interaction or modify to make up for it.

Power of avatar, is now partly locked into the power of both Reck and Anger Managments interaction with reck.

When, you could just have the two button sepperate and impactful - but not interconnected into the web of talents.

Especially since AM/Rav/Reck is already so many connections.

[fast mural]

or is that fixed aswell now ?

[edgy widget]

Yeah, that's Titan's Torment, not Berserker's

And that's not even because of Titan's Torment, that's because of min/maxing

[fast mural]

last time i played fury sure felt like last season

[edgy widget]

there will always be hyper-specificity when it comes to min/maxing, that's somewhat unavoidable without heavily curating every last action

[edgy widget]

no offense but this seems like the height of unproductive nitpicking

"the power isn't in avatar, but it's locked to avatar, so it must be thought of as part of the ability"

[dense elbow]

You disagree?

[edgy widget]

I don't care

it's just bellyaching over nothing

[modest meadow]

what is WA or Addon?

[dense elbow]

Fair enough, we reached the point where I got to give you the W as my point is "pointing to something, that you dont feel is something, so it is nothing".

[junior gale]

wa

[edgy widget]

When, you could just have the two button sepperate and impactful - but not interconnected into the web of talents.
what you're asking for is literally the antithesis of the talent system - the talents are supposed to be interconnected, and their power is (at least to some degree) supposed to come from the synergies between them

I mean there are degrees to everything, but if we take your point to its logical conclusion, we go right back to the 3-row talent system we had before Dragonflight

[hasty path]

Jerry?

[edgy widget]

and that's fine, there's nothing inherently wrong with that talent system - honestly it really is better in a lot of ways (like not having to waste talent points on the likes of BzR/PHowl)

[modest meadow]

can anyone share this VA?

[edgy widget]

but that's also not where we are right now, and hoping for it (whether better or not) is kind of a pipe dream because we definitely ain't going back to it for awhile

[oblique trail]

#arms message

[fast mural]

tbf how much of "choice" do we actually have between fights cause rn for fury its spear vs roar and cleave wich would be 2 rows in the old system

[edgy widget]

depends if you're looking for choice or performance

[gilded pawn]

theres always going to be a best

but rn being able to sacrifice WW cleave for some more ST is something you couldnt do in the old talent tree

[edgy widget]

I've mentioned it several times, but if all you care about is performance, you will never have choice

[modest meadow]

ty

[gilded pawn]

arms being able to take imp SS

being able to drop bladestorm

[edgy widget]

choice and performance are also antithetical concepts - you can't desire the best thing and also want to be free to choose the worse thing - you're choosing the worse thing for different reasons (feel, fun, ease of use, etc)

ideally the gain/loss is small enough that you don't feel burdened by it, but things can only be balanced so well in a game as complicated as WoW

[dense elbow]

And that is why simplicity will make it easier to grant more choices. If you can not buff Odyn's Fury base damage, as that will impact TT, that will impact Avatar's power - that is to me uneeded complications.

AM affecting Rav and Reck, is the powerbase for that ability. But, as reck also is affected by avatar, that in turn now got to be calculated in - that in turn affects TT, that in turn affects OF.

Reck/Am/Rav is fun, easy to get and ok to tune. Reck/ava is the same. My problem is when you get too many of these tendrils knotted together.

[edgy widget]

why does literally every conversation you have come back to some weird obsession with buffing OF damage (by, I'm guessing, around about exactly 51%)?

[gilded pawn]

easiest way to buff odyns without impacting TT is to increase DOT duration

[dense elbow]

51% would be neato, for sure.

[edgy widget]

it started kinda "haha" funny, but the fact that every conversation you have forces a way back to that point is kind of "ha....huh?" weird

[dense elbow]

Because I do sincerely care about Odyn's to an unhealthy degree. I thought this was obvious?

[edgy widget]

unhealthy was the key word there

[dense elbow]

That is why I used it, you are smart.

[edgy widget]

but it makes it hard to take your points seriously

when they all circle back to the same agenda

[gilded pawn]

that and 99 stack jugg

[dense elbow]

Fair, I wont deny that I got an agenda.

[edgy widget]

it makes everything else you say feel faux, like a smokescreen to push what you really care about

[gilded pawn]

^

[dense elbow]

99 stack jugg, I don't feel as strong about. 99 stack jugg is more that I felt it was more fun.

I accept and understand why it can't be, in todays WoW.

[edgy widget]

yes, buffing one thing does affect other things - that's how synergy works

is it more complicated? Sure
is that my problem? Nope

[dense elbow]

Nothing is your problem, if you are not working at blizzard and it is affecting subs somehow.

[edgy widget]

And again I'll just repeat this point:

and that's fine, there's nothing inherently wrong with that talent system - honestly it really is better in a lot of ways (like not having to waste talent points on the likes of BzR/PHowl) 

but that's also not where we are right now, and hoping for it (whether better or not) is kind of a pipe dream because we definitely ain't going back to it for awhile```

the entire point of an expanded talent tree is to create synergy

[gilded pawn]

the complexity makes synergies enjoyable

[edgy widget]

arguing to remove synergy becuase it's "more complicated" is just... counter productive

[gilded pawn]

sometimes synergies holds a class back yes

but in general synergies are exciting

[dense elbow]

That is not what I want, though. As mentioned, I do enjoy lot of the synergies. Just not the cross layer tendrils and knotts that happen.

^

[gilded pawn]

and synergies cannot just be something as simple as Slaughtering strikes, people want more

you can even say rend damage is being held back by the current arms tier set

[edgy widget]

I mean even Slaughtering has a lot of trickle down effects

[dense elbow]

That is why I point to AM/Rav/reck, that gives the rageloop, the rampage loop, all that good stuff.

[edgy widget]

they all do

[gilded pawn]

then you still have 100% reck uptime which means reck cant be a strong CD

[edgy widget]

ok well honestly this convesation is going nowhere, so I'm

[gilded pawn]

theres always going to be issues

yeah i should go back to work

[edgy widget]

so I'm going to go find something more productive to do with my life

[gilded pawn]

go to the gym

[edgy widget]

this is just tilting at windmills

[dense elbow]

Agreed, reck cant be stronger, with that uptime. But that 100% is what enables the loop so many enjoyed

[left perch]

arch do you want free work suggestions

[dense elbow]

My point is when that loop, affects another part of the tree

[jade trench]

i wonder if odyns fury will remain if bladestorm is returning?

[oblique trail]

They're not mutually exclusive

If anything, they'll probably touch the Ravager node

[dense elbow]

BS is more Rav connected, historically. But I can see a world where Odyn's Fury bites it, to give Rav and bladestorm.

[edgy widget]

huh?

[gilded pawn]

i wouldnt want rav and bs to co-exist

thats just insane rage overcap

[shy knot]

Bring back BC as alternative to reck

[inner zinc]

More spin = more win . Why wouldnt you want rav n BS to coexist Kekw

[shy knot]

BS sucks

[left perch]

Well you said you were leaving the convo so I was gonna bug you about tww wish lists

[gilded pawn]

because i dont wanna cap my rage for 12 seconds

[shy knot]

Go afk while spinning wee

[inner zinc]

Lawnmower spec enabled

[dense elbow]

You already dont bring Rav and OF, so if OF and BS is the same powerlevel - then that isnt an issue no?

[gilded pawn]

OF doesnt make rage every second

[jade trench]

honestly i liked bladestorm it will be interesting to see what they do with the tree

[dense elbow]

Fair, OF is abysmal RPS, but you get my point of them not being picked together.

[gilded pawn]

OF makes all the rage on cast

you can OF-ramp-BS

[edgy widget]

oh; I mean I don't mind hearing suggestions

[gilded pawn]

but rav+bs is just overcapping crazy

[dense elbow]

Ye, but rage overcap aside, do you see a world where it is made so for the casuals - who enjoy spin to win?

[gilded pawn]

i see it

[dense elbow]

Rageovercap only matters if you lost damage by doing so. So kinda feels like a moot point, even if I get what you mean by it feels wasteful 100%

[gilded pawn]

it just depends on thematic people think OF vs bladestorm/ravager is

[inner zinc]

Don't matter. If mages get to be vendor machines why cant warriors be lawnmowers?

[nocturne dragon]

is OF really that thematic though? I mean title wise kind of but from animation wise... seems too simple compared to bladestorm.

[gilded pawn]

because you dont have to balance the game around a vendor machine

[gilded pawn]

ppl loved OF coming back

[dense elbow]

^

[gilded pawn]

until they forgot that the OF interactions from legion no longer exist

[dense elbow]

^

:(

[edgy widget]

they weren't even OF interactions, was just basic buff stacking

[gilded pawn]

yeah the buffs are just not as sharp now

[edgy widget]

yeah, Legion went way overboard on the value of temp buffs

I mean we actually use the same buffs now as we did then, with slightly tweaked effects

layering Enrage, Reck, Avatar

they just don't add up to 450% increased damage anymore, which is by and large a good thing

[gilded pawn]

ye

[dense elbow]

Think OF thematically could gain a lot visually from going Fire damage, though. Numbers aide.

[gilded pawn]

its what, mastery+40%

[dense elbow]

You dont like fireeffects?

[gilded pawn]

all it needs is a glyph that gives it a fire effect

[dense elbow]

It would gain the effect?

[gilded pawn]

it doesnt need to be fire damage

[dense elbow]

could be anything, sure

Just to give it more flare

[edgy widget]

it had the same animation in Legion btw

just bigger whirlwind

[gilded pawn]

just have this but fire for OF

thats it

[dense elbow]

We are talking about adding the effect, Archi

Just for flare and animation effects

[gilded pawn]

yes

[edgy widget]

why would it have fire effects if it doesn't do fire damage though?

[gilded pawn]

and it can be done by a glyph

[edgy widget]

I mean sure make it a glyph, idc

[gilded pawn]

idk why you want it as fire damage

[dense elbow]

Numbers could be adjusted, if it became fire dam, sure - but we talking about effect

[edgy widget]

I didn't say I wanted it as fire damage

why not make it a water wave if that's the case

glyph of radiant fury - holy visuals

[dense elbow]

I mentioned fire damage, to give it the fire effect flare - could have said frost or shadow - I simply am a fan of ire

[edgy widget]

I simply am a fan of ire
you got that part right

[dense elbow]

hue hue hue

I am glad we all agree, tho, visual flare could be cool to add more of

[edgy widget]

I do think they should have more cosmetic visual glyphs in general

[junior gale]

yeah glyphs feel very forgotten

[slim coral]

They should give warrior more visuals in general

[indigo quarry]

they already missed the mark with Condemn animation being tied to Massacre

[edgy widget]

cause they are lol

[indigo quarry]

instead of doing a glyph

[edgy widget]

yeah that should have been a glyph, but in lieu of being a glyph... it is kinda neat that the talent affects the spell animation

[junior gale]

they are just afraid of to many different spell effects

[edgy widget]

actually feel like more talents could do that in some way

[junior gale]

from player to player

[slim coral]

I feel like half our abilities have no visual lol

[oblique trail]

I don't mind that it's tied to the talent, as long as they didn't keep the silly mechanics behind delayed damage from Condemn

But they've kept that

Very cool

[dense elbow]

In a dream world, most talents would affect animations and visual/sfx feel. Would make WoW feel that more polished

[edgy widget]

I don't think every talent should or needs to

[junior gale]

Wow is really suffering from not having more things like green fire warlock chain

[edgy widget]

that gets overbearing kinda quickly

[slim coral]

Well the thing is warrior doesn’t have any bling bling visuals

[edgy widget]

and some already do by stint of impacting how the talent works, e.g. the Torment talents don't directly "change" the animations of Avatar, but they do affect what animations play due to the extra procced abilities

[edgy widget]

partially cause Warrior has never had a very coherent theme

[oblique trail]

I've never thought this was a problem

[wheat fulcrum]

Yo guys ! How your doing ? I was wondering, what is the best way for you to sim Tindral Mythic ?

I'm doing 7min fight Hectic add cleave but i'm not very sure

[slim coral]

Yeah needs one bad

[hasty path]

Angry man

[oblique trail]

Haven't thought that Warrior has to have a ton of flashy effects going on for it

[oblique trail]

Just sim patchwerk 1 target

Majority of the fight is ST

[edgy widget]

I would probably treat it as ST at this point, while you're probably going to drop some CDs on roots, they get mostly taken care of by fliers; ST is the important part

[south kayak]

This is a big one and I don’t know why they’re not adding more glyphs

[dense elbow]

Just go full ST, as ST is the bread and butter of that fight.

[edgy widget]

yeah idk

[wheat fulcrum]

Thanks guys !

[dense elbow]

o7

[slim coral]

I’ve said this before but when I play other classes majority have very big visuals

Warrior just feels like grey

No flavor

[dense elbow]

I do enjoy the few we got tho, fire effect when we charge, burning when enraged, ... anything with fire really

[edgy widget]

theme is part of it - those big visuals are easier to do when they're tied to elements or radiant holy, or pestilance or whatever

[slim coral]

Or frost yeah

[edgy widget]

and War does have a few

[slim coral]

Or warlock shit

[edgy widget]

but there's no well established theme to tap into

[south kayak]

The glyph that makes you catch fire during enrage is mandatory

[dense elbow]

^

[oblique trail]

Warrior is generally just person with 2handed weapon hitting things hard or fast

That's about it

[south kayak]

Rampage animation is really good though

[slim coral]

Actually they could play around characters look I suppose

[oblique trail]

Been a while since I've played FF14, but I don't recall their warrior being very flashy either despite how vibrant they like to make their classes

[indigo quarry]

remember Warbreaker in Legion

[slim coral]

But even then idk

Ravager and Bs basically have the same visual

Same with ww

[south kayak]

They should have made warbreaker brown instead of voidy

Not completely remove the animation

[slim coral]

OF has nothing

Avatar is eh

Roar is eh

[south kayak]

I don’t wanna be bright as fuck as a warrior

Im not a paladin

[slim coral]

Can make bleed visuals

Big ones

[dense elbow]

Blood is just kinda mute tho, while fire/ice/radiant/electric pops

[south kayak]

It’s hard to make visuals that fit the warrior theme

[slim coral]

Not really

Go watch Beserk you can make blood pop

Pretty well

[dense elbow]

In WoW?

[slim coral]

Yes

[south kayak]

There’s a bleed glyph lol

That makes bleeds way more bigger

Deep wounds specially

[slim coral]

More can be added though

Esp in bs

Shit should be ripping blood

[indigo quarry]

BS is yellow spinny

Ravager is red axe Spinny

[south kayak]

Ravager and bs do not like the same at all

[cold jolt]

Why is arms called arms

[dense elbow]

Cause it is the master of arms

[south kayak]

Yep

[cold jolt]

Ty Ty

[slim coral]

Well it’s suppose to be

[south kayak]

Tactician, master of weapons

[cold jolt]

I guess it’s a whole precision strike angle

[fleet cargo]

Yo

[cold jolt]

Yeah

[fleet cargo]

İs there any class changes for 10.2.6

[cold jolt]

It doesn’t make any sense anymore but I get it

[fleet cargo]

Cant loook at whead atm

[cold jolt]

Not yet

[south kayak]

No

[cold jolt]

Nothing is up

[slim coral]

No one will know

[cold jolt]

We might potentially know we might not

[slim coral]

But probably not

[cold jolt]

Prob not

[south kayak]

Suddenly ravager is gone and there’s no notes

[dense elbow]

Arms, was kinda, the true warrior - idea. Someone that uses all weapons to win a fight. Bows, sword, spear, everything.
Just didnt get implemented well.
Then got condensed to bonk with one stick guy.

[south kayak]

Bows?

No, it wasn’t ranged

[cold jolt]

Yeah

[sinful spoke]

That wasn’t just arms tho

[cold jolt]

It used bows

[sinful spoke]

Fury could also do it

[cold jolt]

At one point

[dense elbow]

Ye, but arms in particular.

[cold jolt]

Not as main abilities

[sinful spoke]

Warrior is the class that is the master of weapons

That’s why u can equip every single weapon

[cold jolt]

But if someone ran u could bow them

[sinful spoke]

As warrior

[cold jolt]

Used to do okay dmg

Like Unironically

[sinful spoke]

No it didn’t but yea

[south kayak]

You can equip a weapon right now

[cold jolt]

Wel okau vs notging

[south kayak]

A bow

I mean

[sinful spoke]

U could auto with Bows guns and thrown weapons

[sly acorn]

New to game, but why do you go annihilation when getting 4 pc tier 31? What happens that changes it ? Does it reduce cd in BT?

[nocturne dragon]

hahaha this exact treatment on Gw2 resulting them having lots of bad weapon skill.

[south kayak]

Imagine still having weapon skill

Wow got rid of them in cata

[dense elbow]

Nah, you simply prio pressing BT a lot more - so it is an efficent talent to have from the path you went down in the tree. Also decent DPS increase with Dancing Blades from Odyn's Fury

[south kayak]

Shit system

[sinful spoke]

Thank god

[south kayak]

It was such a tedious process

Waste of time

[fleet cargo]

This sounded both right and funny at the same time .. funny because outlaw can have longer attack range with daggers than us

So stupid

[dense elbow]

Because it is supposed to represent their agility.

[sinful spoke]

I mean we used to throw axes

🪓

[dense elbow]

them dodging in and out, always, super quick - out of range, in, out, in.

[sinful spoke]

And knives

[south kayak]

We need an axe berserker spec

[sinful spoke]

And kunais

[slim coral]

W change

[south kayak]

Imagine being a ranged warrior axe thrower

[sinful spoke]

Baze with the first based take ever

[dense elbow]

Ravager is gone, bladestorm took its place, I would be happy with that.

[fleet cargo]

İ liked the idea

[south kayak]

Like troll berserker in dota 2

What’s his name

Troll warlord

[young swan]

u mean zuljin

[slim coral]

Weapon swapping between abilities would be cool

But blizz cannot pull that off

[dense elbow]

Zuljin was the darkspear troll, with the spear and vodoo now?

[sinful spoke]

Using a claymore for execute would be nice

[south kayak]

He lacks the arm to dual wells

[slim coral]

Yes

[sinful spoke]

2 mini axes for rampage

[south kayak]

Wield

[hasty path]

He stance swaps melee and ranged

[sinful spoke]

Mortal strike is just a giant axe

[south kayak]

Yeah that would be cool

[young swan]

he was amani

[south kayak]

Maybe a specific stance for that like glad

[dense elbow]

Ngl, all trolls look the same to me

[south kayak]

[south kayak]

[sinful spoke]

Least racist warrior player

[hasty path]

I could see like

[south kayak]

[dense elbow]

Nelfs ftw

[hasty path]

Ranged being single target then melee swap for aoe

[sinful spoke]

Nelfs used to be trolls btw

[hasty path]

Cleaving with melee axes, throwing them at solo targets

[sinful spoke]

They’re also super racist

[south kayak]

Oh shit that reminds me

Beast master ulti

For aoe

[young swan]

praying to god we get amani as a sub race eventually

[slim coral]

Ok so who’s pitching this in the forums to blizzard

[hasty path]

Shout?

[young swan]

just darkspear but giga chad

[hasty path]

That’s just menace lmao

[slim coral]

Or making the YouTube vid

[sinful spoke]

@young swan

[slim coral]

I vote @young swan

[sinful spoke]

Rt

[young swan]

im not even kidding i had the idea for ranged axe thrower fury in 8.2

[forest grove]

i sometimes kinda wish they let us have a few of the battlefield commander effects just be part of the abilities but not like all of them

[south kayak]

They gone, we genocided them for loot

Twice

[slim coral]

For audio this time

So I can actually hear you speak

[south kayak]

I had it in utero

Got ‘em

[hasty path]

I think warrior is one of the most interesting classes for a support spec concept

[slim coral]

And yet we get nothing

[south kayak]

Zbarb from d3, support with shouts

[slim coral]

So many war cries they could put in

[dry ruin]

We want to cleave faces, not support anyone

[hasty path]

Wan’t

[slim coral]

I miss slowing the adds

[dense elbow]

I see Nish has finally absorbed the idea of turning Arms into a support spec, that I keep sprouting.

[slim coral]

Can’t even take that talent now

[forest grove]

im not sure how it'd work in a way that wouldnt piss people off or warp lineups. Would a warrior support dps just do raidwide buffs? aoe around him with shots?

[hasty path]

What’s funny is imo fury makes more sense for it

[hasty path]

Coordinated blows

[slim coral]

Yes

[hasty path]

Mark a target, next 10sec damage increased

[dense elbow]

Really? Fury makes more sense to you as a support/buffer spec, than Arms. Interesting. Explain

[slim coral]

Let’s get that going

[forest grove]

I just think most of the battlefield commander effects would be entirely safe and balanced to just add to the base skills

[hasty path]

Arms is inherently a champion archetype. Swings sword

[south kayak]

Don’t make existing specs support

[dense elbow]

Sure

[south kayak]

Bad idea

[hasty path]

Fury is at its core just about rage and berserking, which can apply to more than just yourself

[dense elbow]

One would think the Arms Champion was the inspireing one, the controlled commander

[hasty path]

Arms is the duelist fury is the warlord

[dense elbow]

Fury I would see more as a debuffer, than buffer tho

[forest grove]

if this support thing ever happened i want that to be a fourth spec, not a change to arms or fury

[young swan]

do not bring support spec horseshit into my damage class please

[south kayak]

[hasty path]

I’d rather a 4th spec though

Not changing either of the current Dps specs

[south kayak]

It’s a damage/tank class

[young swan]

prot isnt real

"people" who play prot arent real

[south kayak]

Prot isnt real, he can’t hurt you

[hasty path]

Yogi is very real

[forest grove]

no one likes support specs

or support abilities

[south kayak]

That’s not true

[young swan]

ur schizophrenic i fear

[dense elbow]

Bring back Gladiator, call it Commander, make it a support spec functionally: Based around "commanding" your allies with your abilities - while being a decent fighter in your own right.

[oblique trail]

He is the equivalent of the follower npc tanks

sorry not sorry

full flame

[south kayak]

Follower tanks suck

[forest grove]

I have heard quite literally nothing but complaining and negativity in regards to external sources of dps

[modest condor]

bring back gladiator but explicitly make it not a 1h+shield dps spec

[hasty path]

Polearm + shield agi spec

[dense elbow]

Why not 2h? Spear and shield is so awesome

[hasty path]

[south kayak]

2h with a shield

[hasty path]

Nah specifically polearm

[south kayak]

There was a passive in d3

[junior gale]

Spartan spec is cool

[dense elbow]

In my mind, spear and shield, goes more hand in hand with warrior - than a sword

[hasty path]

Fuck an axe or sword

[forest grove]

no one actually wants to play augvoker or bring them

[south kayak]

That gave crusaders an ability to use 2h with a shield

That was pog

[forest grove]

no one Wants to use PI

[junior gale]

yes what I think must mean every wow player thinks it

classic

[dense elbow]

Napp, what you on about? I know people who enjoys Aug and the support role. On their priest they enjoy placing PI at the most efficent target.

Some ppl just like that stuff

I like to bonk, some to take the bonk, some to heal the bonk - some enjoy making all the bonks augmented

[sullen dove]

they can enjoy aug in m+ that’s fine it’s cool

anybody that says they enjoy aug in raid is incorrect though

[hasty path]

Wanna slam our swords together? We can oil them up first

[sullen dove]

either that or they are HORRIBLE at aug in raid

[dense elbow]

Worst part is, they say they do - but their voice is dead every raid

[junior gale]

from what I heard Aug in raid gets old real fast

[forest grove]

ive never met anyone that plays aug and doesnt sound like an abused wife when they talk about the spec

[south kayak]

Dual wield shields

[dense elbow]

Squire <- newest warrior spec, where as the fight progresses, you go from running errands, supporting and buffing. To in the end leading, and taking charge!

[hasty path]

Squire mog

[dense elbow]

Ofc, when you get to max potential, you get a perma horse mount and a lance

[young swan]

why are u in a new guild every 2 weeks

[hasty path]

That’s an old pic

[sullen dove]

bro just had that “fresh out of goldshire” mog instantly ready for this conversation

[hasty path]

But also that’s the guild my alts on stormrage are still in

I’ve been in my current guild for 4 or 5 months tho

[sullen dove]

[junior gale]

I was lucky and found my perma guild this expansion im with these clowns till the ship goes down

[hasty path]

Same (ship went down in Aberrus)

[junior gale]

F

[dense elbow]

I am honestly happy for ya, wish you the very best!

[junior gale]

we found a way to make Tswift prog fun

so thats a win

[hearty nebula]

Hell yea!

[mortal rock]

what tier set will fury warrior get for s4 ?

[ember apex]

tier2 i believe

[mortal rock]

is it any good in st or m+ ?

[meager void]

BT Kaching Crit tier

[frank dawn]

Season 2 won the vote but until blizz makes an announcement I wouldn’t take it for granted

[ember apex]

tier 2 won basically b/c it cleaves

tier3 doesnt cleafe and we all remember fated affixes

[mortal rock]

when do you guys think blizzard will annonce s4 ?

[ember apex]

s4 is like may i believe

maybe late april

[mortal rock]

feels forever until

i want to raid but the guild i am inside stopped to raid

[frank dawn]

I think we’ll get a lot more info on season 4 next week once this pirate surprise shenanigan is behind us

[meager void]

"better" in MT and lags behind in ST. But there will be balancing sooo, who knows?

[ember apex]

what do u guys think surprise pirate shenanigans is

[mortal rock]

how are my stats for fury warrior

[ember apex]

need more mastery less crit more vers

[mortal rock]

ok

[ember apex]

but also, sim ur upgrades as u get items

if ur not already like 485+ item level, prioritize item level

[mortal rock]

i am like 448 item level

[ember apex]

dont worry about that yet then

[mortal rock]

my highest is 448 i think it is

[ember apex]

get iLvl

[mortal rock]

i got like 5 splintered spark of dreams and 2 x spark of dreams what to make ?

[ember apex]

weapon/embellishments

i run the versatility bracers + shadowflame armor patch

[mortal rock]

ok

what type of stats do i want on weapon ?

[dense elbow]

As much weapon damage you can get

[ember apex]

you probably want mastery and vers, but sim your character when you craft items

yeah and prioritize itemlevel above all else

[dense elbow]

Carlo, why are you a sprout?

[ember apex]

i rage quit server after i got a 10minute mute

for like a month

[meager void]

I thought thats how vegans identified themselves

[dense elbow]

Weakness, I deal with my 24 hour mutes like a boss

[ember apex]

it happened during a discussion / argument and the person who muted me kept making arguments after he muted me

that's what bugged me about it

[bitter palm]

i love having aug in my group wdym

[dense elbow]

Well, that is normal

[glad coyote]

whos ready for pirate patch tomorrow?

[ember apex]

no that's not normal

imo

[oblique trail]

Consider not getting muted in the first place

[dense elbow]

Oh well, welcome back Carlo o/
(and you know it is - those be communities)

[ember apex]

ty

yeah i just need to focus on not getting muted

[glad coyote]

what exactly did you say to get muted?

[edgy widget]

S4 is part of 10.2.6, it's in a few weeks

[glad coyote]

think we get any loot upgrades with tomorrows patch?

[edgy widget]

it's not a power patch, no

[ember apex]

we were just arguing past each other, basically the guy was arguing how to do optimal warrior dps and i was arguing like how to screw over a fire mage by focusing down high hp target in M+

[dense elbow]

Archi, you think there is any chance we will see parts of the new herotalents in s4, like in SL showing off some of the new stuff?

[ember apex]

like we were arguing diff things and he thought i was arguing against him but we were just making different points basically

[glad coyote]

pointless patch imo if we dont see ANY upgrades at all

[edgy widget]

I mean you'll get upgrades in S4

but S4 is not tomorrow

[left perch]

prepatch will have it

[glad coyote]

yeah its some new event

[edgy widget]

yes, it's a gameplay event; the point is gameplay, not power

[ember apex]

💯

[edgy widget]

would be kinda pointless to inflate player power a couple weeks before S4 resets everything anyway

[mortal rock]

ok

what class do you guys will be top 3 in melee and caster for raiding in s4 ?

[edgy widget]

I will say the event is rather non-traditional for WoW, I don't think player progression is going to be an issue

[cold jolt]

s4 is tomorrow

[mortal rock]

really ?

[ember apex]

no

[cold jolt]

no

[ember apex]

10.2.6 is tomorrow and that's it

[mortal rock]

what is new in 10.2.6 ?

[cold jolt]

will the event give crests

[ember apex]

it's supposed to be a secret

[cold jolt]

shut up science nerd

[ember apex]

im not even a nerd stand down

[mortal rock]

when on wednesday do eu get 10.2.6 ?

[ember apex]

probably on ur guys' reset

we have 8 hour reset notice on our client for tomorrow

instead of typical 1 hour

but they've been saying more hours than they need but just assume 8

[edgy widget]

you literally just responded to a comment of mine saying it "wasn't" tomorrow 🤦‍♂️ lol

[cold jolt]

hehehehe

im a silly guy

[edgy widget]

• 10.2.6 is tomorrow
• S4 is part of 10.2.6
• S4 is not tomorrow, it's in a few weeks

[upbeat sentinel]

I can only read two bullet points

[hard widget]

Cant wait for season 4 tomorrow

[ember apex]

i heard mid-april late early may for S4

[upbeat sentinel]

S4 is tomorrow

[hard widget]

xD

[cold jolt]

cant wait for war with9in tomorrow guys

im gonna be a demolisher

[hard widget]

We get season 5 ptr tomorrow too right?

[meager void]

s4 will not start tomorrow
a part of s4 will start tomorrow tho

[upbeat sentinel]

New warrior discord goal: keep Archim’s rage capped

[ember apex]

rage dumping/rampage = timing out chatters

how u know dis

[upbeat sentinel]

What

[fast mural]

it just sounds like it is one

[ember apex]

how'd u figure that

[hard widget]

I heard they bringing Terminal and Highrise as the next dungeons

[hardy cargo]

caveat: if you overcap his rage then you get banned kekw

[upbeat sentinel]

Wow Fortnite

[cold jolt]

i actually considered

[ember apex]

how did u guys hear about it

im actually shocked wtf

[hard widget]

My uncle works at blizzard

[cold jolt]

im not saying it is

but it sounds like it

[upbeat sentinel]

He can’t ban us all

We’re too powerful

[fast mural]

you only need a running sub no game purchased so its gonna be a seperate thing to other modes like classic or retail
how does this not sound like a BR ?

[hard widget]

Call of Warcraft

[cold jolt]

all im saying is we better get aspects

[upbeat sentinel]

A patch where hunters have to actually aim their shots

[ember apex]

ur not gonna get aspects u can get aspects now go do M+

[cold jolt]

why did my 18 fail with 4 485 ppl with me doing the most dmg at 450

[upbeat sentinel]

You just described why it failed

[hard widget]

Kekw

[upbeat sentinel]

You had a bunch of ppl that bought gear lol

[cold jolt]

ppl dont want t ospent 28 hoursa gwearing 29 weeks into the raid bro

[clever path]

Does anyone have an idea on what trinkets we're gonna want to grab from mythic+ in S4? Feel like so many trinkets from the raids are top picks

[gilded pawn]

puzzlebox

[meager void]

pirate patch:
each guild gets a ship.
each guild member (account-wide) gets a cabin in the ship
we all sail merrily merrily merrily

[upbeat sentinel]

I will say I think 18s should award like 4x as many aspects rn as a catch-up but it’s not that important

[cold jolt]

yes its not that important for 98% of ppl

but it is for me

[gilded pawn]

but yeah m+ items are just worse

[cold jolt]

thats why iu want it

[upbeat sentinel]

It won’t be once new season hits

[cold jolt]

bc it affects me

bc im coming backj

[upbeat sentinel]

You’ll just get new gear

[clever path]

Do you mean raid items?

[upbeat sentinel]

Next patch raid trinkets will be significantly better since there’s more to choose from

[meager void]

PuzzyB supremacy tbh

[upbeat sentinel]

Raid trinks are already great for fury. Both Signet and Augury are baller

[ember apex]

we're gonna be running what puzzle box and OCE?

[cold jolt]

depends

[gilded pawn]

raid items good

m+ items mid

[fast mural]

i dont think thast how that works
for me there are just gonna be more bad ones

[cold jolt]

literally just depends

they could tune

they might not

[gilded pawn]

im looking at m+ items and theres really nothing exciting

[cold jolt]

who knows

[ember apex]

what if we have to run grief torch 😭

[gilded pawn]

beacon>grieftorch

but maybe

[upbeat sentinel]

Lege, Ashkander, augur, signet, the two fire dmg rings, fire dmg neck, two shadow flame embellishes

[ember apex]

i dont like casting shii for my trinkets

[cold jolt]

we dont even know what set we using right?

[clever path]

Really don't want the puzzle box or grieftorch, hated them both

[clever path]

S2

[cold jolt]

100%?

[meager void]

s2 was the vote

[ember apex]

i hnng'ed irl

[cold jolt]

gotcha ok ty

[covert blaze]

inb4 90% of specs use OCE + Icon

[upbeat sentinel]

They never confirmed if they’re doing something about the botted vote or not

But it got called out heavily so maybe

[mortal rock]

wtf

my dps

[fast mural]

how are you gonna deal with icon being BiS for some specs and then essence for others when you wont get the benefit of all the buffs if trinkets are split like this

[meager void]

but its Blizz's game so, might change it still

[mortal rock]

2 boss m+

[clever path]

Goddamm Europeans ruined it for us

[ember apex]

mod HIM

[upbeat sentinel]

Europeans didn’t. People botting it did.

The vote was called out both by Archim and the WoWhead writers among others lmao

[mortal rock]

i need critcake so badly

[cold jolt]

is s2 the machine gun rage?

[upbeat sentinel]

100% cheated

[cold jolt]

blwo

[gilded pawn]

i have a hard time believing thats true

they are just stat trinkets

[meager void]

wdym called out?

[gilded pawn]

whichever gives more stats is gonna be better

[clever path]

European votes were higher for S2, for that, so that is why I said that, had no idea about the extreme amount of bots if that is the case

[upbeat sentinel]

I don’t remember Archim’s exact words but it was irregular as fuck

S2 and S3 were tied on Europe vote and then in like 2 hours 4000 more votes appeared for S2

[mortal rock]

are fury warrior any good in m+ or raid in s3 ?

[upbeat sentinel]

And fury there ended up with more votes than entire other classes

[ember apex]

s1 was a garbage tierset bonus, S3 didnt/doesn't cleave, of course S2 is gonna win, it just has to not be terrible in all content and it wins by default

[fast mural]

wouild be kinda lame if essence +icon would be BiS for most classes tho

[upbeat sentinel]

In raid we’re good

[oblique trail]

Yes

[gilded pawn]

it could

[covert blaze]

I think it's likely

[edgy widget]

shit who told you?

[cold jolt]

ppl picked this?

?

[oblique trail]

The set itself isn't special

People voted for AM more so than the set

[meager void]

lol Archim

[covert blaze]

@edgy widget are there cool transmogs in tomorrow's patch/event

[fast mural]

its not about the set its about AM being good with it

[oblique trail]

And just because people don't trust Blizzard balancing 🤷‍♂️

[ember apex]

100%

[clever path]

No, S2 is next season, not S3

[upbeat sentinel]

He has the S2 set up

[cold jolt]

am?

[upbeat sentinel]

Anger management

[cold jolt]

oh

[edgy widget]

YARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

idk I'm just making pirate noises

[meager void]

CDs CDr was amazing tbh.

[cold jolt]

yeah im excited for nothing to line up

[upbeat sentinel]

But they haven’t confirmed if they’re going to abide by the cheated EU vote or not

[cold jolt]

soundfs fun

[clever path]

MB didn't see the other one and looked at the highlight one

[upbeat sentinel]

Hopefully they don’t lmao

[meager void]

but I would have loved something like S3 with CDr rather than S2

[gilded pawn]

maybe the problem is that 1:secondary stats are gonna DR out the ass next tier, 2:people are not gonna bother getting the rest of their team to wear it

[ember apex]

s1 tier set would have been a disaster b/c it doesn't even change gameplay and its boring

[edgy widget]

tuning tbd, probably gonna include some popular trinkets

[ember apex]

s3 doesnt cleave so it's awful more anything beyond ST

[upbeat sentinel]

So just tune our cleave

[gilded pawn]

S1 tier def impacted gameplay

[covert blaze]

Hopefully I can get everything when I get my PC fixed

[gilded pawn]

it just didnt do damage

opposite of arms

[serene vessel]

this expacs trinkets were kinda boring

[ember apex]

s2 was the only option, i dont even particularly like season 2 TBH, but im very happy it won

[upbeat sentinel]

Except it wasn’t. If you were voting based on what will do more dmg you missed the point lmao

[ember apex]

s3 doesnt cleave at all

[covert blaze]

so true bestie

[ember apex]

thats not getting changed

[upbeat sentinel]

So tune our cleave

[mortal rock]

idk why my dps as fury warrior are so bad in st in m+ any idea ?

[ember apex]

are u arguing for s1?

[oblique trail]

Grieftorch was the most exciting to use trinket this expac

[gilded pawn]

im not arguing for S1

[clever path]

S1 literally made us choose a few talents that was maginally better than the build without the tier set. It was ine of the lowest dps increases in S1

[meager void]

that s3 doesnt cleave is a tad exaggerated. It could be further tuned and would cleave as much or more than s2

[gilded pawn]

im just saying it did change gameplay

[oblique trail]

Stormcaller's Boon or w/e it was called would've been more fun if it wasn't a full root, like in the Beta

[ember apex]

S3 tierset explicitly excludes it cleaving. that's not a "tune our cleave" issue

they're not going to change that core aspect

[upbeat sentinel]

No I’m arguing that saying “this set cleaves and is therefor better” presumes that our cleave can’t be tuned outside the set

[fast mural]

grieftorch channel ontop of leggo channel so we can get used to TWW

[serene vessel]

grieftorch was clunky af, fight me on this

[oblique trail]

I played DH so I don't know if it was different for Warrior, but I didn't find it clunky

[cold jolt]

wym cluinky

u just hit the ability

[clever path]

Never, I agree

[cold jolt]

and it does dmg

[ember apex]

ur assuming there's cleave tuning that will occur if we pick S3. i assume there wont be so im picking S2 b/c cleave is important to me

[young swan]

if u like grieftorch you have no right to say bladestorm would be bad

[meager void]

you could tune it thru OF which CDrs from tier set.

[cold jolt]

agreed

[ember apex]

if it cleaved like normal, i would take S3 by like a 10:1 margin

[gilded pawn]

REAL

[serene vessel]

u played DH and didn't find grieftorch clunky? There was nothing more annoying than having to hunt into grieftorch into turn around vengefull ESSB eye beam blade dance meta

[ember apex]

what about puzzyB

[cold jolt]

i like puzzlew too

[oblique trail]

Yeah and I progged all of Myth Rasza with this and didn't find it clunky

[gilded pawn]

is it actually hunt into torch

[cold jolt]

metoo

[gilded pawn]

do you not pre cast torch

[cold jolt]

no

[gilded pawn]

how bad is this game

is it to proc first strike or something

[ember apex]

trinket casts should be hasted like leggo, change my mind

[oblique trail]

Actually what

I didn't read that part

I just Griefed on pull

🤷‍♂️

[gilded pawn]

im 90% sure it is hasted

the channel is 2 gcd

[cold jolt]

hunters also griefed on pull

if u had it

[ember apex]

then double the haste benefit it gets from gear

[serene vessel]

its been a while, but im pretty sure the best way was to grieftorch after ur hunt

maybe im misremmebering

[mortal rock]

anyone that can do a sim for me what stats i want as a weapon embalishment ?

[upbeat sentinel]

Yeah someone can sim it, you

[oblique trail]

Idk I got like a rank 80 or something on our first kill back then so I must've done something right

Not like the opener really makes a difference

[gilded pawn]

i dont see why, you are letting your hunt DOT tick without it being buffed by momentum

[oblique trail]

As long as you do the majority of it right

[serene vessel]

hunt gives u momentum

irrelevant

[gilded pawn]

oh right

[cold jolt]

L

[gilded pawn]

i keep forgetting

[cold jolt]

dw i forgot for like 2 weeks thgat odyns gfave u avatar

[gilded pawn]

but thats still losing momentum uptime on channeling grieftorch

[ember apex]

i did S3 rotation wrong until smolderon prog

[gilded pawn]

when you can use it to press real spells

[gilded pawn]

you didnt have a phd in dps back then

all good

[oblique trail]

Right

I remember my opener now

[ember apex]

ty

[oblique trail]

Because I played double on-use

xd

[cold jolt]

metoo

i used

grief an dpuzzle

[serene vessel]

s1 momentum uptime wasnt really a thing that mattered incredibly, you mostly just cared that you had momentum for ur essb windows

[oblique trail]

Kinda repressed memory

[cold jolt]

puzzle on opener then grief after its 30 secs

[gilded pawn]

that makes sense

grief whenever free

[cold jolt]

yup

[serene vessel]

i never got puzzyB to drop

[gilded pawn]

use it to line up cds

[serene vessel]

xdd

[oblique trail]

But yeah

I don't think Grief was clunky

Think there are clunkier interactions than using Grief

[serene vessel]

i also just dont like channeled spells

thats why I'm a bladestorm hater

[oblique trail]

Like how SkS used to be

That was awful

Never liked SkS

[gilded pawn]

skill

issue

[serene vessel]

thats crazy I absolutely think SkS was less clunky than grief

[oblique trail]

Apply bleeds, pop SkS, have to reapply bleeds again

[serene vessel]

SkS you just press it then reapply bleed

[gilded pawn]

yeah sks also said "your next MS does 30% less damage"

kinda messed up

[oblique trail]

For gameplay's sake, new SkS is better

Numerically sure it's not as good

[serene vessel]

grieftorch you had to hope your character wasn't moving when you pressed it otherwise you would press it and immediately cancel cast it

[oblique trail]

Or just

[serene vessel]

let me A D spam

[oblique trail]

Stand still?

[serene vessel]

no i have autism

[oblique trail]

Okay

[gilded pawn]

gen Zers

[oblique trail]

Sorry to hear or something but that's a you issue

[gilded pawn]

zoomers

[serene vessel]

im a millenial

lmao

[mortal rock]

my sim look like this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/maVfeHJ97ieDGhQdxvNN2E is this corect stats ?

[oblique trail]

Bro

Your gear is season 2 ilvl

Just get more gear

And don't think about stats

It's the least of your worries

Also sim with mast+vers if you're simming crafted gear

[mortal rock]

ok

ty

[compact knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933386399279878154/991343673419763753/caption.gif

[ember apex]

😏

[young swan]

puzzy b badge

[compact knot]

im going to play SMF, 90% haste, and annhilator, cant stop me

[mossy fox]

what was the nerf to puzzy B again

prolly still gonna be rly good innit

[indigo quarry]

the channel wasnt hasted anymore iirc

so flat 2 seconds ?

[mossy fox]

i thought it was something else

[indigo quarry]

oh no wait they had to gut it because UDK

[mossy fox]

effect decreased, duration increased

[compact knot]

i think

yeah that

[hasty path]

Pretty sure specifically for UH

[compact knot]

no it was for everybody im psure

[mossy fox]

it was because of UH

[ember apex]

i think 20seconds was fine, do other specs need longer than that?

[mossy fox]

but affected everyone

[compact knot]

decreased the mastery it granted by 38% and put the duration up by 10 seconds

[ember apex]

how long does unholy need

[mossy fox]

idk their burst was pretty bonkers

[compact knot]

i think its usually 20 seconds that their burst lasts

[mossy fox]

so was probably a pretty concentrated window

[ember apex]

no they added time so they need more than 20sec but i dont play unholy so idk how it works