Don't want to BS, into, OF kind of deal
#fury
dense elbow
frank dawn
Don't want to BS, into, OF kind of deal
but that's how they are going to buff OF by 51%
stack it up, brother
dense elbow
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I just think Hurricane specifically could have more of its damage funneled back into Bladestorm
- the issue is that Bladestorm currently feels weak. That may not still feel true, even if Overwhelm and potentially Hurricane also exists in TWW
it's not an exact value, right, like Bladestorm should be X% and other sources of damage should make up Y%, it's a much less specific matter of "feel"
So I don't really know what the right number or relationship is off the top of my head. I just know that within the current trees I would like if Bladestorm/Ravager did more direct damage, and the obvious way to do that (with the current trees) would be to reduce/remove Hurricane
dense elbow
Just put the power loss from the beyond duration extention, into the ability itself? I don't see the fun in so many things buffing up other things. When it itself is supposed to be the heavy hitter.
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Overwhelm existing doesn't mean that Bladestorm cannot also be a heavy hitter though
it's not that linear
dense elbow
Yeah, but I think ya get what I mean
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depends if you're asking overall damage or direct damage affect on abilities
- the former would consider trinkets, etc
- the latter would be about 23% (last I checked anyway)
inland flame
man why stress about all of this stuff the movement ability nodes are going to make Slayer permaBIS anyway 
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e.g. increasing your strength by 30% should increase the damage of your AP scaling abilities by ~23%
frank dawn
yeah just trying to see how Hurricane compared to the direct damage increase of Overwhelm pretty big delta there in that case between the two even if you can get max stacks of overwhelm consistently (seems unlikely)
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Yeah Hurricane is way more
Assuming Overwhelm is whitelisted like everything else and doesn't allow you to boost an AoE trinket or something
dense elbow
Lets hope it doesn't. I don't wanna spin to beacon 
slim coral
Yeah Hurricane is way more
I'm sure it will get fixed but I was curious if the 1 percent all daamge taken from all sources is a typo or it was intentional
dense elbow
Doesn't say taken by all, just taken?
inland flame
i mean it has to be from just you, they wouldn't give one of these things a unique mandatory debuff anyway
inland flame
at least i would think not
gilded pawn
No way it’s all damage taken
They aren’t gonna throw a random raid debuff in a hero talent tree
inland flame
ya im almost afraid to say that because of PI priest tree but they went back on that
dense elbow
I mean, it would make us viable for m+
modest condor
what, you dont think they would add an ability that makes you just stack a single class 10 times in a 20 man raid?
inland flame
hey we're getting some form of tree rework for WW keep tha faith
shockwave for p much free at least
slim coral
what, you dont think they would add an ability that makes you just stack a singl...
you already know some shit is gonna be op on ptr that they overlooked
modest condor
yeah but that's number related
gilded pawn
what, you dont think they would add an ability that makes you just stack a singl...
Is the only generic damage amp in the game, the rogue cc debuff
frank dawn
that is why we have a ptr!
gilded pawn
The one where if you cc they take more damage from all sources
modest condor
hello mystic touch/chaos brand?
inland flame
i assume he meant global
gilded pawn
Outside of raid debuffs ofc
inland flame
for generic
gilded pawn
One that comes from a talent
dense elbow
If viable you mean overpowered then yeah sure
Then 8 months in, we still not brought, as the 10% boost doesn't make up for our weak dam 
Could be real
gilded pawn
I think if you can amp 10% of a raid
inland flame
lol a 10% dam boost to all would be so worth bringing at least to raid almost no matter what
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well damage taken to be literal
you're taking it too literally
absent blizz fucking up the implementation, it is almost certainly going to be whitelisted like other class effects
slim coral
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to A) only affect damage done by the applying player and B) only affect other class spells
oblique trail
Faeline Stomp moment
dense elbow
we just having fun, join in!
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Either other interpretation would lead to some real balance breaking situations
- if other people benefit from it, Slayer would instantly be meta pick for burst groups
- if other sources of damage benefit from it, it would noticably impact trinket tuning, etc
young swan
s2 ww set moment
dense elbow
Slayer would be slaying
slim coral
I just wanted to bring it to archi's attention that's all
so that blizz could give clarity
🫡
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I think it could probably be written better, but it's similar to other tooltips of that nature
dense elbow
I thought it was super clear 
as it didn't say all damage
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could probably say increasing damage taken from your attacks by... or something
inland flame
Should be like Deep Wounds "increasing the damage the enemy takes from you by X%"
slim coral
also would be nice to have clarity on the wording on the bladestorm one too
dense elbow
What part?
inland flame
the proc?
dense elbow
Fair, it did pop in my head as a single application hit, so don't expect a channel. Maybe a offGCD block for some stuff
If it was
inland flame
yeah no shot it should just go off like arms 4p right now if I had a guess
just hits the same time as the BT/OP it procs off of
wouldn't be surprised if it has a special animation too
or they update the Bladestorm animation in general
frank dawn
Yeah I really really doubt it’s going to be anything but an instant proc attack. Might trigger the bladestorm animation for a half second or something
dense elbow
Just the windup with the endpart of the effect, is my guess. Hopefully not with the sound
inland flame
i would hope for special animations for bladestorm and maybe sudden death just for slayer
they did say they really want them to look and feel distinct
upbeat sentinel
looks like im maining warrior next expac again
DK got trolled hard lmao
They do not get D&D that follows them so they can actually cleave.. But their summonable minion's D&D follows it around 🙂
storm rune
hahahahaha
The one constant complaint DKs have was fixed for their summons and not themselves
young swan
i mean they said they're changing cleaving strikes
the thing they should be mad about is pet AI and consistency issues
cant be mad about something you havent seen yet
pet ai and consistency between the 4 horsemen will always be an issue
upbeat sentinel
cant be mad about something you havent seen yet
the issue is the DK's own D&D does not follow them
storm rune
cant be mad about something you havent seen yet
young swan
did u read
the first thing i said
blizzard said cleaving strikes is getting changed
if the change is bad, they can get mad
but they literally dont know what they're changing
inland flame
thematically i think rider is the coolest one but I suppose it might be clunky or tuned poorly
getting to ride your horse around in combat like its WoD Nagrand is really cool tho
when youre outside
inland flame
well if its a numbers thing then its a tuning thing but yeah I could see getting the wrong proc feeling bad
like big aoe and you proc the chains of ice on one guy or sumn
idk never played with the Torghast one
upbeat sentinel
blizzard said cleaving strikes is getting changed
"we have nothing to reveal right at this moment" is not very inspiring lmao
theyre just gonna let it work off Mograine's D&D too
upbeat sentinel
idk never played with the Torghast one
In Torg they had the abilities but also tanked for you
and were still pretty ass
well some of the abilities. Whitemanes and Naz's are new
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"we have nothing to reveal right at this moment" is not very inspiring lmao
that kinda comment makes me think they're cooking something but don't know exactly how to make it work yet 😆
upbeat sentinel
but neither of those have any real synergy
inland flame
ya idk maybe they learned from it and they'll be good this time that does happen sometime despite what people would have you believe
upbeat sentinel
unless Whitemane can scale off ur haste or smth
but otherwise no synergy or interaction
inland flame
or just hits like a truck
upbeat sentinel
i heavily doubt they tank for you now tho
procing a tank would be funny as fuck but doesnt seem like smth theyd do
upbeat sentinel
that kinda comment makes me think they're cooking something but don't know exact...
Hopefully lmao
Otherwise I just hope Fury is good
inland flame
well ya sure but a plate melee dps doesn't really need a tank in regular solo content
upbeat sentinel
ya all of them have super good self heals
Dark Succor/Victory Rush are both insane level for solo content
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I just meant if they had an answer for it already, they probably would have shared it (like they teased BS/Shockwave changes)
fact that they highlighted it means they're at least aware of it, and it's something they do need to fix, so they're probably just still figuring out how they wanna do it
inland flame
idk what you could do other than make DnD actually huge or make it so that its kinda like Rune of Power and you only have to be close to it not in it
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either way, DK problems
inland flame
DnD following you seems kinda memey
upbeat sentinel
idk what you could do other than make DnD actually huge or make it so that its k...
make it folow you
it's not memey, it's the DK being the source of the unholy corruption
the current iteration makes no sense. I point 20 yards into the distance and the ground goes ick
inland flame
yeah its just kinda weird right, like if a paladin had consecrate following them, because its an effect of you radiating energy from the ground
guess i might care too much about flavor
could make it turn into something like Unholy Blight I guess
upbeat sentinel
Paladins thematically are at least channeling something other than themselves
inland flame
just have Cleaving Strikes replace your DnD with some weird new aura spell that emanates off you so I don't get triggered and then we'll be gravy
or give it a special animation
upbeat sentinel
it makes sense for a deity or whatever to bless a particular area as an arena
but for DKs they arent praying to some plague god
they are the plague
inland flame
i mean the thematics all come from DKs being the opposites of paladins rite
with auras and stuff etc
a lot of that is old tho and a lot of changes since the original stuff
upbeat sentinel
originally kinda where the auras matched their auras
not rly anymore
Them being anti-paladins didn't make sense anyway, Gen 3's aren't fallen paladins
inland flame
Well in the original original it was kinda like
pallies were priests who wore plate and grabbed a 2H mace
DKs were locks who wore plate and grabbed uh whatever they wanted
but then they switched to necro stuff with Arthas
upbeat sentinel
DK has virtually no ties to Warlock now and the only tie to Paladins is that every prospective DK leader is an ex-paladin
inland flame
based and flavor-pilled
upbeat sentinel
I'm still mad that Mograine isn't just the new Ebon Blade leader with the player character being the lead Horseman
inland flame
the whole Legion thing was that the PC became the paragon of that class after all
but i kinda get ya
upbeat sentinel
Well for the second half ya but
Mograine should still be lead not Bolvar
Bolvar ordered a brutal assault on Light's Hope (that was hilariously never even brought up during the Paladin line)
Then orders another raid on the Dragons, and you pretty much just slay everything in your path both times
But even after the helm breaks nobody questions him
upbeat sentinel
I genuinely don't understand how they had DKs raid the Paladin quest hall and pretty much paint it with blood
and paladin player characters have no reference to it
inland flame
different people writing each campaign and not enough story conferences i guess idk
upbeat sentinel
small indy company
sacred lantern
and paladin player characters have no reference to it
It happens a LOT in the story. Like how most Alliance players are unaware that when the vulpera were neutral, the Alliance assaulted their caravans, robbed them of their supplies, and burned said generational caravans to the ground before the Horde could launch its counter-assault during the Vol’dun Incursion in Battle for Azeroth. Literally the Alliance stomps the vulpera for the crime of running Horde supplies across an otherwise unoccupied desert in their caravans, and it’s ultimately why Jiro decides to have the vulpera join the Horde. But a ton of Alliance players always ask, “Why didn’t they go neutral we like them so cute!”
upbeat sentinel
It happens a LOT in the story. Like how most Alliance players are unaware that w...
That at least has a story purpose - Segments of the Alliance commit horrific war crimes, the rest does not understand that it happened and is made to feel they are being betrayed
There is no story purpose to "Oh ya a quarter of us just got fucking slaughtered 20 minutes ago by the entire Ebon Blade raiding us, but we forgot to mention it to you"
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I genuinely don't understand how they had DKs raid the Paladin quest hall and pr...
That's ok, I still don't understand how the Warrior Order Hall had nothing to do with Warriors and no warriors in it
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It happens a LOT in the story. Like how most Alliance players are unaware that w...
I believe that's called a "contrivance"
e.g. because they made it up in order to justify what they wanted to do anyway
upbeat sentinel
the same happened with Bloodelves randomly exiling Void elves upon finding out they exist
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It's all over wow (and most video game) writing
upbeat sentinel
ur not convincing me that it makes any sense for fel junkies that embrace magic in every part of their lives got that mad about new magic
especially when they had just been mistreated and almost left the Horde
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in broad terms, it's a question of whether the story is written around the game or the game is built around the story
in this case, the story was written around the game - they made vulpera, they decided they wanted the Vulpera to join the Horde, and so they wrote a scenario which justifies them joining the horde
slim coral
story is written around the game yet blademaster isn't consider very warrior like xD
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which is exactly why it feels so unrealistic - because it is, it's completely artificial
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story is written around the game yet blademaster isn't consider very warrior lik...
well no, that's the same thing - they decided that the hallmark abilities of Bladesmaster (windwalk, mirror image) don't fit the mechanics of Warriors in WoW - that's the story being written around the game
although it's not really the best fitting example, since there wasn't every really anything in the game's story suggesting Blademasters were associated with Warriors in the first place, aside from also holding a 2h weapon - if that's the case, they might as well be Death Knights too
upbeat sentinel
tbf most race's iconic units are kept away from the classes
dark rangers until recently, spellbreakers, etc
sacred lantern
although it's not really the best fitting example, since there wasn't every real...
Agreed. I wish they made Blademasters a monk hero path. It would be neat to spotlight monk traditions outside of Pandaria.
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they mostly stood away from things that already had a strong definition which they (either rightly or wrongly) decided couldn't be replicated within the existing class mechanics
which isn't unreasonable tbh
sacred lantern
Shado-Pan is really awkward because it would be like if rogue got an SI:7 Hero Path
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Sure they could have muscled Mirror Image and Windwalk into Warrior kit - maybe it would even be fun, idk
but I don't think those abilities exactly scream Warrior either
vocal fog
oh yeah we used to have mirror image in wc3 as blade master xD
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I mean they make the game, they can make anything they want work - they could give Warriors Conjure Water Rank 69 and figure out a way to explain it if they really wanted to
but... why
slim coral
well no, that's the same thing - they decided that the hallmark abilities of Bla...
ok but blademasters are litearlly known for their mastery over swords, axes, and polearms just like warrior is also I'm not sure how reliable you take wowpedia but they classify them as warriors as well
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That's because Wowpedia pigeonholes things
upbeat sentinel
because warrior is super vague
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I don't disagree that they are share several conceptual aspects
but look at the actual mechanics and defining traits of Warriors within the game and look at Blademasters - they don't actually share that many
slim coral
within the game now or in the past
upbeat sentinel
the foot soldiers of every race are warriors. Spellbreakers for the Bloodelves would be warriors
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ever
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the foot soldiers of every race are warriors. Spellbreakers for the Bloodelves w...
broadly defined yes, but technically speaking no
upbeat sentinel
blademasters are only warriors under that same broad definition
they are no more warriors than Spellbreakers are
inland flame
I just want them to give prot warriors D3 Crusader's Heavenly Strength so I can never look at a 1hander again
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Warriors in WoW have a fairly strict definition - they are a player class
Not every NPC in WoW with a 2h weapon or sword and board is a Warrior
Footmen are not Warriors, they are footmen
Orgrimmar Grunts are not Warriors, they are Grunts
slim coral
Yeah I know I guess just based off abilities windwalker doesnt fit it but it's game you can make it fit just like they did slayer
slayer doesnt exist in wow "lore"
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they might share several characteristics, we could even consider them derivatives, but they are clearly not wholly the same thing
inland flame
is it really worth forcing it to chase something from WC3 tho is the problem
upbeat sentinel
dont orgrimmar grunts refer to themselves as warriors
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slayer doesnt exist in wow "lore"
exactly, they made up something new instead of co-opting and reworking something that already existed
that was the entire point lol
slim coral
it's just weird imo
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dont orgrimmar grunts refer to themselves as warriors
in the broad term probably, but not in the sense of the class
this is the problem with using the same word for multiple things
upbeat sentinel
i would def say that orcs running around with axes fucking shit up fit warriors
theres nothing anti-warrior about them
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there is the abstract concept of a "warrior" and then there is the "Warrior class"
inland flame
its like the difference between an NPC template and a player character in Dungeons and Dragons
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they may both say "I'm a warrior" but they're not the same thing
slim coral
also correct me if I'm wrong
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its like the difference between an NPC template and a player character in Dungeo...
absolutely
upbeat sentinel
Like Nazgrim is 1000% a warrior
slim coral
let me check
upbeat sentinel
think*
slim coral
yeah they have bladestorm
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dont blademasters have bladestorm
ok but by that logic, Warriors are also Blademasters, so congratulations - you already are one
just sharing an ability doesn't mean both are the same thing
slim coral
right but what I'm saying is they could of pivoted the Baldemaster hero talent around bladestorm
since that is it's ultimate
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I don't disagree, they could have
inland flame
no wait Bladestorm uses WW and Crit uses old Recklessness
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but they didn't lol
mossy fox
feel like slayer tree is pretty close to what blademaster would be anyway
upbeat sentinel
i dont think blademaster works without the mirror image shit
so it was better they didnt use the name
slim coral
feel like slayer tree is pretty close to what blademaster would be anyway
true pretty close
mossy fox
bladestorm, attack speed, crits, mobility
slim coral
not too far off
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i dont think blademaster works without the mirror image shit
that's the main thing - they could have made "blademaster without the iconic defining blademaster abilities" but then people would be like "wtf this isn't blademaster"
upbeat sentinel
warrior having mirror image seems like it'd be a huge fucking shitshow
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same reason they didn't wanna reuse Gladiator, because if it didn't include Glad Stance, then it's not Gladiator - it's just co-opting the name
inland flame
would be kinda cool if they made the WW procs summon a shadow thing of yourself to do it
then you have the whole package
slim coral
well they could of added windwalk and mirror image I think a lot of people would of liked it
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but they decided it didn't fit their concept of what Warrior in WoW is
slim coral
I only brought this up cause you were talking about lore lol
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and considering they made the game, that's 100% their decision to make lol
slim coral
just thought it was funny they didnt add probably the most iconcic class
upbeat sentinel
they should make a spellbreaker hero class though!!!!!
slim coral
as a hero tree
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ofc other people might have different perspectives
inland flame
Well they would have changed Mirror Image to something else, like at least called it something else
Prolly
upbeat sentinel
ya but we would all know its mirror image
upbeat sentinel
remember when monks used to split themselves into 4
inland flame
Well we already have Bitter Immunity
slim coral
but they decided it didn't fit their concept of what Warrior in WoW is
I get it like I said just thought it was funny they didnt' add probably the most iconci class
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bladestorm had the ww icon
makes more sense when you remember that Bladestorm originally cast Whirlwind too
upbeat sentinel
Add Spellbreaker!!!
its better than blademaster anyway
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like it literally just repeatedly cast whirlwind
eventually that changed, ofc, so that Bladestorm and Whirlwind could be tuned independent of one another
inland flame
Yeah and our original Recklessness had the Critical Strike icon
slim coral
wwo where is this from
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Wrath
slim coral
ah didn't play that
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you still can!
upbeat sentinel
imagine not playing the best expansion
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MoP?
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owned
bitter palm
like their lore is pretty warriro esque
ye but warrior is giga vague
slim coral
slayer will be sick
as long as the new trees look good
and they removed that 10 percent cd
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i respectfully disagree with your opinion
I appreciate that you're respectful when you're wrong
bitter palm
oh yeah im hyped as fuck for new trees
bitter palm
and they removed that 10 percent cd
wait what
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*one of them
upbeat sentinel
I appreciate that you're respectful when you're wrong
The only good part about MoP was OG Challengemodes
inland flame
MoP is ontologically the best xpac because it had green fire questline, Throne of Thunder, Vigilance, Evil Eye of Galakras.
slim coral
no i saw that
inland flame
I heard it even had things other than those things.
bitter palm
pins 
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depends on what they do to OP/BT
bitter palm
could be placeholder i think
inland flame
Ye gotta remember we not even in alpha yet
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it might, actually reducing cooldowns by a flat percentage is fairly unusual for Blizz
slim coral
just wanna give feedback
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not unheard of, but unusual
upbeat sentinel
MoP is ontologically the best xpac because it had green fire questline, Throne o...
Green Fire questline was lit until 2 friends paid me to do it for them and then my gf at the time wanted me to do it for her too
bitter palm
i mean that specific talent is just
upbeat sentinel
was pretty awful by hte end
bitter palm
y
slim coral
for other classes
bitter palm
i hope they move op to something u dont press every other global but it feels good
and just move tactician
to idk
cs
or something
but idk how would tactician work with current cs thats the thing
i feel like if they move tactician to cs it will just force us to spam rage spenders to fish for resets
which isnt anything new but certainly goes against all the OP talents in slayer
slim coral
also since the 1st raid is going to be spider theemd
I expect some huge value out of the charge talent
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both those talents are great tbh
slim coral
Relentless pursuit
slim coral
att blizzcon
bitter palm
oh fair
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Azjol'Nerub like people, not literally spider
bitter palm
y
slim coral
righ tright well they mentioned we could traverse webs
bitter palm
i hope they make bladestorm enrage us
cursive garnet
Webs, roots, snares, spindly arms, things of this nature.
slim coral
Not litearlly spider
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i hope they make bladestorm enrage us
would be nice, but idk if it's strictly needed; depends on what everything else looks like
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but it's a good suggestion - I could see a Titanic Rage like talent for Bladestorm
cursive garnet
wasnt' there a spider like dungeon
There were two in WotLK in the same tile set
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ye in wotlk
he didn't play it
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go install classic
slim coral
prot has 0 uutility
*prot has nothing
prot gets farmed by magic
and that's like half the dungeons this tier
inland flame
hey ill have you know that 0-3 bosses each season have good spell reflects which still does almost nothing for making prot meta alright
I member the Nelth Lair prot warrior in the MDI last season
inland flame
gave me the impression everything would have unique visuals
bitter palm
prot gets farmed by magic
i hate spel lblock
give me ways to deal with it not ignore it
every 2 mins
fuck that
bitter palm
early s1 but
slim coral
which I'm fine with
bitter palm
tnak meta is w/e
bitter palm
sl was dogshit
until last season and s4
df was "meta"
in s1
but tank meta is weird
tanks just reroll to fotm
prot warr wasnt much better than the rest
if better at all
summer quail
inland flame
Prot Pally prolly gonna be pretty good next patch, throwing around god-knows-what-percent vers buffs to people
Bears getting their imba set back
But who knows how balancing for everything will actually land
ocean cape
boys
i dont even have the motivation to finish this quest
what a dogshit loot system
inland flame
but bro youre so close to beating the game
south kayak
Wait so they changed the other CDR talent to damage?
10% on OP and BT is kinda sus
Need at least 20%
💅 SLAY
primal plover
does anyone know the WA to announce spell reflect and the damage it did back to target? Theres like 4-5 Ive found and none of them announce the damage done which i saw on critcakes videos
storm rune
There are a couple in the ui room
clever path
what trinkets are better than mirror of fractured
sullen dove
might of the ocean
clever path
isnt crit my second worst stat
sullen dove
kinda but thats not that important
if your trinket gives u crit you can take away crit from other pieces
but might of the ocean on use strength best in m+
compact knot
what trinkets are better than mirror of fractured
might of the ocean and augury are pretty good for m+, pips isnt bad either
ive personally never liked mirror
cringe trinket
alot of people also underestimate the worth of gore crusted butchers block, really really good trinket in m+ on fort weeks
compact knot
@cold jolt what do you mean
nearly none of the highest parses for fury warrior will have full uptime, we have to drop orbs out and stay away from boss for like 3 seconds
gilded pawn
yeah its all about being familiar with the fight
nocturne dragon
oh yeah I mean the reveal like mountain thane and colossus
compact knot
yeah
void valley
I wanna know where bladestorm is gonna be in the tree
Probably a ravager alternative
compact knot
I wanna know where bladestorm is gonna be in the tree
my best guess is ravager alternative, or it replaces shockwave and shockwave gets moved up
would be strange with prot/arms though
now that i think about it
void valley
But then what goes in arms
void valley
Put Anni at SMF spot, put BS in anni spot
compact knot
nah just remove annhilator
void valley
Remove smf/make it baseline
compact knot
and storm of swords
i wonder what replaces shockwave though
cause they said it was going to be moved up in the tree
could be noting honestly and they just keep the other capstones
void valley
I assumed itd just go down to 3 but with fury getting BS somehow it could be that
They did say fury spec tree
compact knot
yeah
void valley
So itll most likely be a rav alternative
gilded pawn
rave alternative doesnt make sense unless BS is massively overtuned
void valley
True
gilded pawn
you still being able to cast during rav is a huge dps up
compact knot
i really hope they keep ravager though
compact knot
possibly by far my favorite button to push
void valley
Has rav cdr
gilded pawn
archi said that its in different point in development, they could have very well change their minds
gilded pawn
but yeah its hard to see allowing both
seems really messed up
so im gonna say choice node until otherwise
compact knot
keep in mind prot has also had ravager for awhile now hasnt it
void valley
Yeah
compact knot
they are 100% changing mountain thane though
gilded pawn
thane seems so shit compared to other 2
cold jolt
Do they want each spec to be used in diff scenarios
Liek st spec
Aoe sex
Cleave sec
void valley
Thane is fun m+ spec
gilded pawn
Like realistically what are their goals
"new ways to play"
void valley
Oh i didnt say better
cold jolt
Are they trying to balance them all to be good
void valley
I said fun
gilded pawn
technically every hero talent should be viable in all content
void valley
Anger management+lightning cdr
cold jolt
Ya new ways to play is hullshit
void valley
Chucking axes all over the place
gilded pawn
thats why they are shoehorning AOE in ones that you clearly want on ST
and vice versa
compact knot
mountain thane would still be good because of the shockwave talent
even if worse dps wise
cold jolt
But I mean do they intend to make them all relevant or just the same as now
gilded pawn
isnt colossus the shockwave talent
cold jolt
Mind you arms is good now
compact knot
oh
cold jolt
Or atleast comparable to fury
compact knot
colossus might be actually
gilded pawn
yeah thane doesnt have shockwave
cold jolt
And has a diff usage
gilded pawn
lmao
compact knot
i thought mountain thane did lmao
gilded pawn
and fury doesnt have colossus
compact knot
it made more sense to me
gilded pawn
so yeah
cold jolt
Me sleep tho gn
void valley
They had to give colossus something
compact knot
right
void valley
And storm bolt also is thane related
Lightning hammer
Honestly itll probably be arms is the M+ pushing spec just on that
hallow sphinx
youre banned @young swan
young swan
:3
hallow sphinx
young swan
gilded pawn
Honestly itll probably be arms is the M+ pushing spec just on that
i mean the gap isnt that big
assuming they are making shockwave easier to take, essentially you just get 5 seconds on shockwave if you are arms
thats really the main diff
that 5 seconds isnt really gonna get you an extra cast a pack anyways
the knockup can be cool though
and i would say having 3 target stone bolt can be just as good in some situations
but its wierd that slayer has no m+ util
void valley
Im going off of they seem pretty equal as far as damage goes, and knockup usually beats out raw stuns
Depending on comp
void valley
Dont think so
compact knot
knockup has no DR
gilded pawn
it would be really fucked up if slayer was the best
so arms cant even take colossus for util
void valley
Warriors arent super useful anyways, so itll be asking "hey can you go colossus"
For stun
void valley
Slayer or thane are probably top damage
Banking on slayer
Namely for target capping
compact knot
i hope shockwave gets moved and replaced with condemn 🙏
void valley
Condemn would go crazy
gilded pawn
slayer proccing mbg every OP
gilded pawn
why would you want an even flatter damage profile
void valley
And put condemn in arms
gilded pawn
they tried condemn in arms 2 years ago
in df beta
people said they didnt want it
since you pick from stronger executes or more execute
people picked stronger
compact knot
wasnt it like giga busted too
bitter palm
Do they want each spec to be used in diff scenarios
no
bitter palm
it just gets insanely boring
cold jolt
Is it 60k for a fyrak kill
gilded pawn
thats basically it
compact knot
thats why its called condemn
gilded pawn
if you want more execute, then the execute has to be weaker
compact knot
gg checkmate
bitter palm
i mean
cold jolt
No
bitter palm
condemn was a massive bait
cold jolt
I only want to press execute
bitter palm
people thought
shadow dmg wooooo
and then overall it does the same amount of dmg
u just press it more
gilded pawn
i mean the sims said it was good in the beginning
i dont think ppl thought of anything
then they buffed leggos that interact with MS for arms
bitter palm
y
gilded pawn
then first patch they buffed EB
cold jolt
Fury needs to have 30 yard range
gilded pawn
which was 4% for NF but 2% for venth
then the loss on having NF was so minor that you may as well played NF
not to mention people started unlocking niyas burrs and such
compact knot
replace every talent in both sides of the fury tree with condemn
condemn my beloved
gilded pawn
condemn felt like it was designed for fury
bitter palm
perma reck
gilded pawn
and arms/prot was an afterthought
compact knot
i played condemn throughout all of shadowlands
gilded pawn
condemn prot has to be the worst shit in the game
compact knot
never switched (probably because it was super aids to switch)
cold jolt
Every condemn needs to 30 stack jugg hit 6 additional targets
Boom problem solved
Hire me blizzard
compact knot
given i wasnt a good player in shadowlands so my gorrila brain just likes condemn alot
was just fun asf as fury idk
compact knot
ok well maybe i wasnt as bad as i thought i was tbh
gilded pawn
execute/condemn is just a stronger filler on fury
not like arms where you just hard jammed the button
if you wanted gorilla brain then arms condemn was the way
fury condemn just felt like "oh cool i have a 3rd filler from 100-80"
bitter palm
it was good
cause <35%
u had perma reck
and really high reck uptime in general
100-80 perma reck
35-0 perma reck
nocturne dragon
this marked for execution how long will it last?
bitter palm
we dont know
nocturne dragon
hopefully quite long since our sudden death even if increased chance won't proc that often.
slim coral
this marked for execution how long will it last?
the rest of the expansion
nocturne dragon
fleet sorrel
nocturne dragon
will mountain thane be used though.... seems like slayer will be for arms/fury and prot will take colossus
young swan
asking about tuning before alpha pepelaf
nocturne dragon
oh I mean hypotethically seems the mountain thane doesn't give much "impact" on first impression.
bitter palm
it definitely does
young swan
it'll probably be good for mythical plus
nocturne dragon
at least next expan fury can spin to win again, well winning is still questionable but at least the spin spin
mighty swan
Ye ww spam was toxis
Toxic*
But s1
Ofc there was some cons
Rng of signet and threat burst bit
Minus that it was a blast
cold jolt
I joined an aotc group and these people were not aotc
And if they were they bought it
The funniest art was the kick low dps players when they died to the first arcane falling
nocturne dragon
The funniest art was the kick low dps players when they died to the first arcane...
Always happen. Tank messing up the pull causing ppl lose uptime on their buff window? Kick low dps. 
cunning rune
SLAYER
edgy widget
Do they want each spec to be used in diff scenarios
that's exactly what they don't want (even if, on some level, there will always be a meta of X is better here, and Y is better there), that's why each spec has a mix of ST and MT capability
heavy galleon
Slayer is very exciting, but I hope they give us some utility for M+
lofty delta
anyone have a link to the legendary damage tracker weakaura?
stuck bison
anyone have a link to the legendary damage tracker weakaura?
You can also add augury or any other ability you want in it
hollow merlin
=/
lofty delta
https://wago.io/RgMjkZaLg
tyty
fallen ginkgo
gib lego and augury 
eternal sundial
gimme augury
???? you didnt get it yet?????
wild mural
no
wild mural
real
vague copper
oblique trail
silly face!
warm crag
gimme augury
why not
warm crag
are you ready to be obliterated
wild mural
Yes
wild mural
:3
oblique trail
https://tenor.com/view/jerma-gif-14663292704966997212
warm crag
another day in the infinite torture that it is chilling on this couch as another rabbit crashes into me at very rapid speeds
oblique trail
It is revealed to you that it is Me that is the rabbit crashing into you at very rapid speeds
calm mantle
I'm so sad, bricked at 26 BRH on the last boss because DH didn't darkness the shadow bolt volley
warm crag
i suffer from organ failure
oblique trail
I'm so sad, bricked at 26 BRH on the last boss because DH didn't darkness the sh...
This is coping
warm crag
theres no shot you can pinpoint an entire key failing to a single play
wild mural
real
oblique trail
Of all things to call out for failing the key, you call out the RNG ability that has a chance to save you but also an even bigger chance to simply do nothing
calm mantle
I mean it was timed if he darkness or netherwalked and didn't die to it.
I guess darkness RNG but netherwalk Isn't right?
oblique trail
Netherwalk is an immunity yes
But the point still stands that there must've been a lot of other issues before this that amounted to a brick
Rather than just this one play
warm crag
just brez him lol
indigo quarry
the 20 death before didnt matter ?
calm mantle
Brez was down, someone else died to the volley and got ressed as well.
warm crag
??? so why are you pinpointing the dh as the reason the key failed instead of arriving at the final boss with 1 rez and someone else burning it before he dies
oblique trail
That person should've saved personals, or just used them, so they wouldn't have died
It's easy to point out one immediate thing that's easy to notice or you focus on, rather than the many other things before that
wild mural
theres no shot you can pinpoint an entire key failing to a single play
I pinpoint all my failings to a single player
warm crag
and that player is NEVER me
wild mural
@eternal sundial
oblique trail
He should continue to because it's a good game
warm crag
i say OTHERWISE!
oblique trail
Your opinion is rejected!
oblique trail
Okay :3
wild mural
understandable
I'm just sat farming the portals for the hearthstone event and I've done a whole 3 portals and got nothing
warm crag
L
wild mural
it's so joever
warm crag
i got the mount and the toy (i only care abt the bag)
wild mural
I only want the mount
warm crag
is it on the hour and half hour or
wild mural
yeah
warm crag
catch me in stormwind harbour
eternal sundial
philliam is playing baldur gate 3
wtf
wild mural
catch me in stormwind harbour
Im trying 😦
warm crag
try harder
charred estuary
I wonder how fury aoe interacts with the Slayer tree debuffs
warm crag
im right here
wild mural
omg how could I be so blind
oblique trail
warm crag
look
oblique trail
her sized spongie
warm crag
sized spongie her
wild mural
😮
warm crag
@indigo quarry ty for the arms apl cookage
warm crag
yeah with that slayer tree that brings back bladestorm for st (hugely popular) and literally the same talent twice but reworded once
wild mural
they're gonna bring back glad stance and I'll simp for that instead of SMF
indigo quarry
Syi is a deviant
wild mural
REAL
hasty path
they're gonna bring back glad stance and I'll simp for that instead of SMF
Syi coping to the moon on a Saturday morning
indigo quarry
it was fun for sure
wild mural
was the most fun I had in this gAME
wild mural
real
nocturne dragon
that and warlock tanking
shaman wants to tank too 😄
wild mural
never played that
nocturne dragon
at least that is what they said, we haven't got the mail user tank
fleet sorrel
indigo quarry
wait for the hearthstone event they pop every 30 minutes now ?
and everywhere ?
blizzard really always mess up the event before fixing
clever belfry
huh since when is it every 30
glad coyote
every 30 minutes is solid
wild mural
I got a sarge and it didnt even drop for me someone traded it to me
rigid stirrup
I had the hearthstone and disk mount drop in a single run 2 days ago
inland flame
worst part is I got the bag to drop on a lowbie alt in SW before they made it pop everywhere (I main horde)
I want to do other things ;_;
11 Sarges REEEEEEEEE
flat river
Soooo
Will arms or fury be stronger in TWW
So far from what i see i think arms
Cause of slayer
oblique trail
Yeah one sec let me just consult the sphere
indigo quarry
I will be stronger
flat river
Yeah one sec let me just consult the sphere
indigo quarry
I got a sarge and it didnt even drop for me someone traded it to me
what are those sarge
flat river
I will be stronger
left perch
hero talents will only augment the base play not make it “better” so that players have a meaningful choice. Fury thane and slayer will be equal to arms colossal or slayer and will simply be an aesthetic style of play based on individual player desires
wild mural
what are those sarge
huh
wild mural
hero talents will only augment the base play not make it “better” so that player...
cant wait for fury bleed build
clever path
An execute/bladestorm feedback loop sounds so fun
upbeat plume
Eh I'm fine with most of it just hate the idea of random procced bladestorms, it's so fucking jarring to the flow of playing
hallow moth
I can't wait for Slayer
wild mural
I can't wait for Glad stance to come back
hallow moth
I've been playing SoD. So random bladestorms makes me think of herods wep 🥰🥰🥰
clever path
Eh I'm fine with most of it just hate the idea of random procced bladestorms, it...
I dont think thats how it works
calm swallow
Eh I'm fine with most of it just hate the idea of random procced bladestorms, it...
The random bladestorms aren't going to be channeled though, it's 1 tick from it so most likely it's just gonna act as a free 'whirlwind', kinda like the Torghast power that gave you whirlwind whenever you used Rampage
clever path
Doesnt it just add hits to the next time you cast?
upbeat plume
No there's another talent that procs it
hallow moth
Is warrior back?
upbeat plume
The random bladestorms aren't going to be channeled though, it's 1 tick from it ...
Except the talent that adds extra ticks to your next bladestorm will extend it most likely
calm swallow
wild mural
Is warrior back?
never left
oblique trail
hate reading
wild mural
reading is da poop
calm swallow
I'm not gonna hate on him for not reading cause I only learned like... a month ago that Enraged Regen is also a DR
clever path
Honestly reading sucks
upbeat plume
Fair point lol but "brief" is vague so ill withhold final.judgement till we see it on ptr lol
oblique trail
It's a bit crazy to me that people have played a class for who knows how long but never read what their abilities do
It's the same with people not knowing Spell Reflect gives magic DR
calm swallow
I DID know that though
warm crag
It's the same with people not knowing Spell Reflect gives magic DR
It does?????
calm swallow
ER was the only one that I apparently skimmed and thought it was just a heal
oblique trail
It does?????
warm crag
Ok but fr does the spell dr persist if you successfully reflect smth
oblique trail
yes
upbeat plume
Yes
calm swallow
Yep
warm crag
Yes
calm swallow
lol
oblique trail
spongienoob
warm crag
spongienoob
I will destroy you
oblique trail
Obliteration
warm crag
The fires of a thousand suns
upbeat plume
Reduced to atoms
calm swallow
I've been playing Warrior since BFA and I'm 3.1k, I probably have been using ER when I'm supposed to just in preparation for the healing and not realized it was also giving me DR lol
Idk how i missed it, but reading hard, warryor brain hurt
indigo quarry
why read when you can ask question all the times
wild mural
real
calm swallow
I had really hoped Slayer would be like a bleed-crit build or something. I love the charge-heroic-leap synergy, I like the focus on execute, but I feel like they just took us back to pre DF warrior and added some proccs
brittle crow
good news everyone
wild mural
oh no
brittle crow
i am no longer back up tank, i am free to game once more
wild mural
ayyyyyyyyy
calm swallow
brittle crow
i feel obligated to learn arms to compensate for not having to learn prot anymore
brittle crow
i see
charred estuary
Slayer hero spec should just delete the SMF talents for fury 🦧
wild mural
I've hear some dumb shit in my time but
calm swallow
Agreeeeeeeeeed
They need to remove SMF and just make it a transmog-glyph or something
brittle crow
They need to remove SMF and just make it a transmog-glyph or something
just let us transmog 1handers like we could in legion
i think we could transmog anything except wands and daggers in legion
serene vessel
They need to remove SMF and just make it a transmog-glyph or something
just make smf the bis dps spec, and the problem is solved
warm crag
i feel obligated to learn arms to compensate for not having to learn prot anymor...
if you play a warrior as a dps spec but dont know how to play both dps specs you must be obliterated
brittle crow
if you play a warrior as a dps spec but dont know how to play both dps specs you...
obliterate me uwu
flat river
obliterate me uwu
UwU
warm crag
the fires of a thousand suns
oblique trail
you burn better than you fight
brittle crow
i LOVE utsuho reiuji touhou
warm crag
tinder waiting for a spark
oblique trail
your innards boil
warm crag
astral break!
oblique trail
astral avalanche
warm crag
fyrakk!!! obliterate my enemies
oblique trail
It's Fyr'alath silly!
modest condor
remornia
left perch
if you play a warrior as a dps spec but dont know how to play both dps specs you...
Obliterated is actually frost dk spongo
lavish grove
indigo quarry
they already forgor Daddy Nathrius is out
modest condor
shadowlands never happened
inland flame
now now there are redeeming parts of SL
modest condor
yeah like the day it ended
inland flame
they're just hard to remember sometimes over stuff like conduit charges and shards of domination
meager void
and the Sylvanas storyline
indigo quarry
if they didnt hard lock the covenant at the start
it would have been a good xpac
but their stuborness was the dawnfall
Ion bald head
inland flame
The zones were good, Castle Nathria was good, Sepulcher was alright, I didn't hate Zereth Mortis.
inland flame
I kinda hated everything about the mid patch tho, Korthia, Shards of Domination, Sanctum.
tardy lark
i miss heroic week
indigo quarry
the maw was awful
the heroic week is so chill
can relax and prepare nicely for mythic
tardy lark
instead of a 10 hour m+ sesh into main raid
tardy lark
just dont interact with mounts outside of getting +1 to mount collection 🙂
inland flame
up until DF my only two mounts I ever rode were Invincible and Alar really
compact knot
worst part about SL was the mounts
it gave me obsidian gravewing though
the best recolor
clever path
I kinda hated everything about the mid patch tho, Korthia, Shards of Domination,...
Shards would have been fine had it been a single level of acquisition rather than armor on top of shards on top of upgrading shards
It had the issue that bfa had but way worse
clever belfry
can relax and prepare nicely for mythic
totally not me farming all m+ items
to just upgrade them again with another m+ farm in mythic week
that would
NEVER happen
left perch
pogging
upbeat sentinel
dooming
cold jolt
im just a guy
upbeat sentinel
its always dooming
brittle crow
https://i.imgur.com/VZu8Xgw.png bladestorm??
inland flame
still important stuff we don't know but optimistic
brittle crow
fury bladestorm?
hallow moth
Warrior is god tier now
Warrior is basically the greatest class to ever be made on god
inland flame
ya it says in one of the other nodes that we get it back in our Fury tree
brittle crow
LETS GOOOOO
cold jolt
warrior is god
brittle crow
bladestorm being removed was a fucking crime
idc what anyone says
channeled casts are goated
cold jolt
warrior is literally zeus
hallow moth
Bladestorm makes more sense as a fury ability than a arms one
upbeat sentinel
channeled casts are goated
fyrak axe begs to differ
brittle crow
fyrak axe begs to differ
bladestorm is a necessary ability to be able to scratch your nose while at haste cap
change my mind
upbeat sentinel
watch it be hasted
brittle crow
doubt it'll be hasted to just a gcd xd
upbeat sentinel
chargegod
3 second burst movement is a troll though
does somewhat solve the problem of charge not being "sticky"
inland flame
who cares about all that stuff it lets me do my Mimiron's Head run a little faster
BiS
brittle crow
charging to a boss on pull and having it already be gone and you impact thin air is aids
upbeat sentinel
But the movement impairing effect removal is a lot more QoL than a 3 sec sprint
brittle crow
who cares about all that stuff it lets me do my Mimiron's Head run a little fast...
this guy doesnt know u can skip the entirety of ulduar as demon hunter.....
i can teach u
inland flame
what sorta backflippin nonsense is this
brittle crow
would u like to learn? hmu
warm crag
would that even let you cast charge while rooted
inland flame
i just found a video on it