bladestorm can move
#fury
junior gale
it slowly moves sometimes
junior gale
young swan
im fine with rav staying but i dont want a hero spec themed around it
sinful spoke
it slowly moves sometimes
for half a sec on one mob that randomly leaves the pack
young swan
bs is way more thematic to being a slayer than ravager is
covert blaze
Me going to bed today
meager void
improve ravager AI
sullen dove
plain and simple
junior gale
I just think options are always a good thing
sullen dove
covert blaze
I will accept bladestorm IF they delete ravager and AM
bitter mortar
Can I just have a bladestorm and ravagerless fury, that would be nice
junior gale
if you dont like BS ravager should exist
finite prism
young swan
just a kill aura
this had no business sounds as cool as it did
sinful spoke
Can I just have a bladestorm and ravagerless fury, that would be nice
U can
sullen dove
yea im built diff
bitter mortar
Thanks :D
covert blaze
this had no business sounds as cool as it did
inarius + aura of frailty
bitter mortar
I'm a big fan of how 2 of our trees are Bladestorm(cringe) and Demolish(Also Bladestorm but can't move(cringe))
covert blaze
poor laura
Slayer? I don't even know her
tidal kindle
bladestorm but can kick/stormbolt aaaaaaa
But still overwritten by hurricane
bitter mortar
bladestorm but can kick/stormbolt aaaaaaa
This is a W but it comes at the cost of having to actually use bladestorm
tidal kindle
bitter mortar
So do we even really win in the end
junior gale
but my excuse for not kicking is gone
young swan
i hope they change bladestorm animation and make it red for theme
mossy fox
bladestorm can be good
covert blaze
i hope they change bladestorm animation and make it red for theme
Very likely
mossy fox
bloody slayer bladestorm 👀
oblique trail
I think if you don't like BS it's still gonna be somewhat fine, since as Fury at least you'll have so much haste natty (and through Frenzy if they keep it) that it'll channel fast
young swan
This is a W but it comes at the cost of having to actually use bladestorm
if bladestorm fucking cranks u wouldnt complain
bitter mortar
I just feel like Bladestorm has always been in such a weird spot for Single target when it's something you have to talent into, cause it's always felt like something that you use in ST and you are locked out of playing your spec for it's duration
OR
You don't use it in ST and this abiltiy you talented into is terrible
mossy fox
ye i hope bladestorm itself cranks, instead of being a hurricane button
sullen dove
yea bs is only like actually bad in st if u have to use it in st
bitter mortar
This is mostly a M+ problem obviously
covert blaze
if bladestorm fucking cranks u wouldnt complain
wrong
quiet bramble
I haven't really liked bladestorm since BFA
sullen dove
10million other buttons youd rather press
covert blaze
wasnt talking to u red namer
ok piss namer
bitter mortar
if bladestorm fucking cranks u wouldnt complain
Nah idk man, I have literally never liked the whole "Press this button to stop playing character for a certain amount of time"
Didn't like it as Bladestorm, didn't like it as DoS in Nighthold, didn't like it as that thing that DH did for a bit, don't like eye beam either
covert blaze
if ur piss is this yellow u need to drink more water
I drink apple juice so I basically drink piss
meager void
so
ancient quiver
Press spacebar it appeased my adhd while spinnibg
bitter mortar
Oh boy
young swan
the issue with ravager vs bladestorm is that you will literally never choose bladestorm ever
meager void
we mages now
young swan
bladestorm could double ravagers tooltip damage and you still wouldnt pick it
cause u can cast during ravager
its just fundamentally not a fair choice
bitter mortar
Yeah, remove both :D
oblique trail
As Arms you can channel Box and Bladestorm together if you use Blademaster's Torment
So that's something at least ig
young swan
so the option is either remove ravager or allow you to pick both
which is more likely here
probably remove ravager
covert blaze
I hate ravager
bitter mortar
You and everyone else
covert blaze
Maybe I'm just a hater and need help
bitter mortar
Lol
bitter mortar
I've just always been of the mind that if I had the choice between Ravager, Bladestorm or Neither, I would choose Ravager > Neither > Bladestorm
young swan
as long as it feels worthwhile over pressing other buttons
covert blaze
i like ravager
💀💀💀💀💀
mossy fox
ravager good
bold osprey
The reason I picked fury pber arms was that fury didnt have Bladestorm. I just hated this press and afk until its over button. No matter how hard Bladestorm hits. I still dont feel like liking the ability itself.
junior gale
I can see the complaint tho that since Fury is getting BS that is one step closer to arms and fury feeling the same
quiet bramble
Mountain thane exists
covert blaze
You guys are on some Stockholm syndrome I stg
bitter mortar
Arms double dips on the design of "You get the damage after the cooldown" in the form of test of might AND hurricane but hurricane existing at all is fucking cringe, why not just put the damage into the ability, I never understood that tbh
modest condor
cant wait to see mountain thane rework
modest condor
honestly wouldnt be surprised if hurricane is gone next expansion
narrow narwhal
My fingers need the rest
modest condor
slayer tree does the same but 3x weaker
hurricane has always felt way too strong, especially on fury
young swan
yeah hurricane is a little cracked
edgy widget
agreed - it's too strong and too defining
bitter mortar
Mmm, delete hurricane, buff the abilities instead
junior gale
call my Bladestorm Katrina because there be a hurricane coming
edgy widget
Hurricane always felt like it just leeched value from BS/Ravager
edgy widget
Bladestorm was the best part of fury in SL
all things equal, I prefer Ravager for Fury, but it does have several little points of failure that can get annoying
- travel time when used at a distance
- chasing enemies way too slow, by the time it catches up half the duration is over
- stopping at the edge of mobs and ticking on one instead of the pack
knotty merlin
sometimes chasing critters 😛
covert blaze
sometimes chasing critters 😛
Lmfao
edgy widget
that was a "my people need me" moment if I've ever seen one
but yeah, if the pack splits up and it decides to follow the wrong target, it's just kind of wasted
dense elbow
Could've just made it Bladestorm/Odyn's Fury, no? As Rav got CDR built in, OF does not.
Still, bladestorm coming back could be neat
edgy widget
it would take a lot of tweaking to make Slayer work with two different abilities like that
dense elbow
Fair, I don't mind seeing bladestorm back, I always enjoyed letting my fingers rest a few sec
edgy widget
I agree, I think that from a thematic standpoint Ravager fits Fury better
but who knows, maybe they'll cook a follow-up talent that causes Bladestorm to not interrupt normal abilities 🙃
covert blaze
Could've just made it Bladestorm/Odyn's Fury, no? As Rav got CDR built in, OF do...
A proc OF would be a full OF vs the short bs thingy
dense elbow
OF is many hits, so kinda?
edgy widget
yeah they would have to really twist the slayer talents to make it work with OF or BS
bitter mortar
I'm not exactly excited for dps warrior future after seeing these hero talents, especially so after how disappointing in both theme and substance they seem after seeing other trees tbh
edgy widget
whereas Fury and Arms BS actually use the same spell
dense elbow
yap
covert blaze
OF is many hits, so kinda?
It would probably be hard to implement or balance like archi said
dense elbow
And BS is kinda fun
edgy widget
the Bladestorm ability is different, but the actual damage event is the same
dense elbow
Zhai, I read that, yep yep
edgy widget
and OF is multi-hit, but very wonky under the hood
bitter mortar
Do we know anything about the actual base tree changes coming outside of Shockwave and Bladestorm changes?
bitter mortar
Damn, so we really just looking at hero talents when the base tree itself could be a mess hey
junior gale
wont know about any talent tree changes till alpha
edgy widget
- BS is just X-ticks of the same attack
- OF is 4 completely different hits + the DoT
knotty merlin
Damn, so we really just looking at hero talents when the base tree itself could ...
Yeah, but its true for almost every class tbf
modest condor
OF is funny because the first hit of the mainhand and the dot are apparently the same attack or something?
bitter mortar
Idk about most, DH and Pally are pretty chill, they don't really need to worry about their trees going to hell after changes because there won't be any
knotty merlin
Its why its hard to talk about these changes without prefacing everything with, "Assuming this"
edgy widget
Damn, so we really just looking at hero talents when the base tree itself could ...
that is exactly what we're looking at, which is why it should all be taken as a set of concepts rather than an exact indication of what gameplay will look like next expansion
knotty merlin
Idk about most, DH and Pally are pretty chill, they don't really need to worry a...
yeah, maybe exempting classes that already got major reworks
dense elbow
Ya lads feel comfortable that Bladestorm will actually do some damage ST tho?
Or a net netural
maiden copper
impossible to tell yet
covert blaze
dense elbow
I am worried ._.
hardy cargo
#deletehurricane
bitter mortar
So yeah idk, maybe Colossus and Slayer hit more with spec reworks, currently though, worrying, Fingers crossed
junior gale
its like reading only half a map
dense elbow
Nah, playing with the idea, is kinda fun - we just bouncing ideas around, hyping it a bit
junior gale
Hero talents are only telling us half of it when we don't know what the spec and class tree changes are
hardy cargo
it isn't healthy
I don’t live to be healthy I live to doom 
bitter palm
So yeah idk, maybe Colossus and Slayer hit more with spec reworks, currently tho...
the idea is fun and the fantasy is interesting
with all 3
bitter mortar
I'll be completely real though friends, when they said "Look out for the execute tree" I was expecting an execute tree, not exactly a tree that funnels execute into more bladestorms
Very.... Odd
To be honest
bitter palm
its not very odd at all
they said they want all hero talents to be competitive in all modes
quiet bramble
I feel bad that I like the celestial tree for WW and WW mains hate it
bitter palm
how would u make an execute tree competitive in aoe and st with colossus/thane
sadly my dream died
130 rage execute on fury
bitter mortar
Idk man, I'm not exactly a dev, but if I was to do it, I wouldn't tell people it was an execute tree and then have it revolve around forcing bladestorm into a spec that works better without it to make it all work though
Like
Bare minimum I would not do that
Lol
dense elbow
I get that, I am just happy to see bladestorm, I missed it
bitter mortar
And my dream died, no true infinite jugg stackin'
You are my new spirit animal, cause same
dense elbow
They could have dropped the BT damage modifiers tho, just thrown it into execute. But I just like execute
bitter mortar
Execute good, bloodthirst lost, did we all collectively forget fury has raging blow or what
covert blaze
I don’t live to be healthy I live to doom <:xan:1094127979703062558>
real
dense elbow
You dont look forward to spamming BT? I always prefer BT over RB - as BT heals
bitter mortar
I'll be real, all these iterations of Fury after Legion just seem lost
bitter palm
we will have that
young swan
limit max encountering read comprehension diff
bitter palm
thats what they said
keen kindle
Insetad of just focusing PURELY on one
hardy cargo
limit max encountering read comprehension diff
Fuck I’m not at home I’m missing it
keen kindle
That's a large critisim I have of DF fury and why I swapped anyways
dense elbow
I'll be real, all these iterations of Fury after Legion just seem lost
We lost our way, when we left Odyn's behind 
young swan
correct
keen kindle
bro no one ever specced that
For raid you absoutlely did
dense elbow
So, we got: BT focus, and autoattack focus ... so, annhilator build confirmed?
keen kindle
The haste buff was cracked
bitter palm
sicne we have no clue how fury and arms will play
clever belfry
""cracked"""
keen kindle
Idk I guess I played fury wrong and still good in bfa 🤷♂️
bitter palm
people in max's chat
typo
bitter mortar
Like, Blizzard was talking about the "Frenetic ractivity of fury" as if it's not more predictable than both Prot and Arms currently, I feel like the whole spec is truly lost in it's sauce and has been since we went from Legion to BFA
bitter palm
keen kindle
Like, Blizzard was talking about the "Frenetic ractivity of fury" as if it's not...
Warrior in a nutshell if I ever heard it....thou I'd argue more so shadowlands
Slands kinda gave us the push towards spammy RB
dense elbow
Shadowlands had warbanner tho
bitter mortar
Also like, if it's supposed to be based on the WW Fury, why are they using it as an example of "people liking their gameplay"
keen kindle
A single raid boss. And before fury's set got nerfed, OH WAIT WE NEVER GOT THE UNNERFED VERSION ON LIVE
Still kinda salty about it
covert blaze
Like, Blizzard was talking about the "Frenetic ractivity of fury" as if it's not...
How is this spec reactive lmao
bitter mortar
How is this spec reactive lmao
It's not
Kinda my point
Blizzard has lost the plot
hardy cargo
How is this spec reactive lmao
You know how rb has a chance to reset its own cd
acoustic furnace
Oh my god they're adding bladestorm to fury my life is over
bitter mortar
Oh my god they're adding bladestorm to fury my life is over
Real
keen kindle
Blizzard dosen't know what to do with any warrior spec
bitter palm
You weren't wrong tho
iu unironically wanted to say max's chat
covert blaze
Kinda my point
I'm aware
upbeat lynx
see you on colossus brother
keen kindle
I'm totally convinced they have no idea wtf the class is suppose to do anymore
bitter palm
but my focus is on something else
covert blaze
Oh my god they're adding bladestorm to fury my life is over
Rofl
keen kindle
From a DPS stand point both arms and fury either feel stale or completely directionless.
robust widget
@modest condor whats max's verdict on slayer? so i know what to think about it
bitter mortar
After reading through their whole preamble to these hero talents, I am suddenly realising that Survival is not the only spec Blizzard is completely lost in regards to what it's supposed to be and the theme around it
keen kindle
Or literally both
bitter mortar
From a DPS stand point both arms and fury either feel stale or completely direct...
So true
keen kindle
Arms they have no idea wtf they want to do and ended up giving us whatever the fuck ToM is
dense elbow
I am pretty sure most casuals will love bladestorm to get more focus tho, spin spin spin is fun
keen kindle
And fury went from a sort of dance between buttons spec in legion to...spam spam spam
bitter mortar
I'll be real, I would be less annoyed with this tree, if the colossus tree wasn't just giving us bladestorm but worse as the hero talent ability
keen kindle
I'll be real, I would be less annoyed with this tree, if the colossus tree wasn'...
It's Fyra'noth 2, electric boogalo
dense elbow
Depends, what if channing BS into dev is da way - then you get to rest your hands for quite a while
fgm
modest condor
<@105847932611231744> whats max's verdict on slayer? so i know what to think abo...
"not bad"
bitter mortar
I forget the legendary exists tbh, don't have it yet
bitter mortar
Depends, what if channing BS into dev is da way - then you get to rest your hand...
Fuck, I forgot you could have both as Arms
dense elbow
yarp
acoustic furnace
Bro I'm gonna have night terrors why are they doing this to me why blizz why
They've murdered my boy
keen kindle
Because they want to delete warrior in Midnight
Gonna replace the entire class with a spellblade class
oblique raft
Why blizzard hate us?
bitter mortar
So, assuming they don't delete Blademasters torment, Arms will have Demolish, Bladestorm and Bladestorm from Avatar
Holy fuck
Actually ending it all
slim coral
Wait max just made a good point the first node in the middle doesn’t specify who’s damage @young swan
bitter mortar
On second thought friends
Fury aint that bad
Maybe 1 bladestorm is actually fine
proper veldt
whats wrong with bladestorm , bladestorm is awesome
young swan
Wait max just made a good point the first node in the middle doesn’t specify who...
yeah its not gonna work like that
dense elbow
I am suprised there is so much negativity around Slayer. Guess Bladestorm is more a nostalgic fun button, than a hype button. They should've focused more on execute in itself, and not BT and autoattacks :v
slim coral
keen kindle
whats wrong with bladestorm , bladestorm is awesome
TOO MUCH CHANNELS
proper veldt
now that we can actually kick and stun in it
austere drift
whats wrong with bladestorm , bladestorm is awesome
if i wanted to bladestorm id just play arms which is what slayer has me feeling
misty edge
yeah its not gonna work like that
BUFF MY BITES
proper peak
Slayer is like 8/10 good
hardy cargo
I am suprised there is so much negativity around Slayer. Guess Bladestorm is mor...
They all hate it bc bladestorm feels like dogshit to press atm bc it’s a buff bot. Make bladestorm good and do damage again
dense elbow
I hope they do?
hardy cargo
If bladestorm fuck good do damage people like press
proper veldt
They all hate it bc bladestorm feels like dogshit to press atm bc it’s a buff bo...
oh yeah on that i agree , they should delete the hurricane talent and simply make bladestorm do more dam
covert blaze
Wait max just made a good point the first node in the middle doesn’t specify who...
Yeah bro they're turning warrior into aug
candid falcon
ravager is wayyy better than bladestorm, and hurricane is the only thing that makes ravager feel good
bitter mortar
Bladestorm could literally 1 shot raid bosses at the end of it's channel and I would still hate it because it's a channel
:D
dense elbow
I am glad more and more people are joining the "fuck synergy, give it raw damage!" way of thinking
bitter mortar
I am glad more and more people are joining the "fuck synergy, give it raw damage...
Nah, synergy is good, I would just argue that "Your damage is increased after your cooldown is finished" design is not exactly syngergy, it's anti-synergy
humble plover
bladestorm stinky
dense elbow
It is synergy, as you build up your real damage button
proper veldt
well i am a warrior what do you want? To have to think about synergy and rotation? thats too much , just let me press 1 button and it does dmg, ez
hardy cargo
ravager is wayyy better than bladestorm, and hurricane is the only thing that ma...
So imagine ravager did a fuck ton of damage but didn’t give you a 30% str buff it’s the same concept
acoustic furnace
It's been nice knowing you all it's time to jump ship
dense elbow
Ravager do that, no? Big dam and str% mod, on a very short CD
candid falcon
So imagine ravager did a fuck ton of damage but didn’t give you a 30% str buff i...
if ravager did a fuck ton of damage but locked me into spinning in place like a fucking idiot i'd be mad
dense elbow
that is why ppl love that stinky button
hardy cargo
if ravager did a fuck ton of damage but locked me into spinning in place like a ...
You can move during bs you aren’t locked in place
candid falcon
okay my bad
austere drift
ravager is wayyy better than bladestorm, and hurricane is the only thing that ma...
id argue that being able to still be doing my rotation makes ravager feel better too, i dont like channeling on fury already doing that with the legendary right now and hate it
candid falcon
let me rephrase
if Ravager did a fuckton of damage but instead of doing an enjoyable rotation I just took my hands off the keyboard and jorked it for 4 seconds i'd be mad
dense elbow
id argue that being able to still be doing my rotation makes ravager feel better...
Nah, you only hate it because the channel doesn't feel impactful. If it did big dam, you would smile. Instead of 300k hits, that you yawn at, as BT hits for 500k.
covert blaze
I am glad more and more people are joining the "fuck synergy, give it raw damage...
Yeah, stuff like ToM are cringe and make gameplay weird and counter intuitive
dense elbow
agreed, to an extent
austere drift
@dense elbow it could 1 shot the boss and id still not like sitting there afk while channeling
dense elbow
If you say so, it is what it is then
hardy cargo
4 seconds is a bit of an overstatement because BS is without a doubt going to be hasted. If pressing BS outweighs the opportunity cost of pressing rb,bt, and rampage and feels good it’ll be fun
dense elbow
No?
bitter mortar
It's just like, if you prefer to press a button that stops you from playing your spec for 2-3 seconds, do you even really like the spec?
candid falcon
It's just like, if you prefer to press a button that stops you from playing your...
true
hardy cargo
It's just like, if you prefer to press a button that stops you from playing your...
Ok but does that include eye beam, fury of the eagle, fists of fury, and so on?
bitter mortar
Yes
hardy cargo
You hate all of those?
bitter mortar
Yes
upbeat lynx
based
bitter mortar
I do not like using abilities that stop me from playing my spec
dense elbow
it was fun when it did dam
proper veldt
It's just like, if you prefer to press a button that stops you from playing your...
on a spec thats already giga spammy even 5 sec channel feels nice for the bit of rest and relaxation
hardy cargo
Fair if you don’t like a single one of them then don’t play a class with a single channeled ability ig
candid falcon
honest to god opinion, if the "quick bladestorm" talent node locks you out of pressing buttons i'm literally going to die
covert blaze
on a spec thats already giga spammy even 5 sec channel feels nice for the bit of...
boomer take
dense elbow
Boomers are the ones keeping the game alive, respect em
bitter mortar
Fair if you don’t like a single one of them then don’t play a class with a singl...
Yeah, I definitely try to, it's not so easy when your guild asks you to play one though XD
covert blaze
Boomers are the ones keeping the game alive, respect em
that's why it fucking sucks
candid falcon
on a spec thats already giga spammy even 5 sec channel feels nice for the bit of...
poor grandpa playing fury
dense elbow
that's why it fucking sucks
then quit
bitter mortar
Idk, I feel like slower specs have their place
I just don't feel like we should slow down faster specs to get us there
dense elbow
Are there any slow specs anymore?
covert blaze
<:xan:1094127979703062558> then quit
I'll keep playing and I'll keep complaining.
There is nothing you can do about it
dense elbow
I'll keep playing and I'll keep complaining.
There is nothing you can do about i...
Ok... boomer
dense elbow
give us fury then
bitter mortar
Monk and stuff yeah
dense elbow
make fury slow
proper veldt
boomer take
right i am a bommer because i want to enjoy the game and scenery instead of having to break my fingers to juggle bloodthirsts slam and whirlwinds for the extra 0.1% dps, nice take bro
covert blaze
Are there any slow specs anymore?
Dev
candid falcon
they should make frost a slow spec
covert blaze
right i am a bommer because i want to enjoy the game and scenery instead of havi...
Why do you care what you press or how you perform if you want to "enjoy the scenery"
You either care or don't care, so pick one
candid falcon
if you want to be slow and chill, play like. Destro
slim coral
or play hunter
candid falcon
cast those long ass chaos bolts
junior gale
I do wanna say how amazingly underated the 70% movespeed buff after charging is
dense elbow
In PvP? Looks good to me
candid falcon
I do wanna say how amazingly underated the 70% movespeed buff after charging is
good for chasing bosses after pull
junior gale
pve too
bitter mortar
right i am a bommer because i want to enjoy the game and scenery instead of havi...
Idk, we aren't exactly juggling ogcd's or anything anymore, it's just kinda hitting buttons every gcd and it's not exactly a surprise which button comes next, fury kinda lacks all it's rng it had back in the day, you could probs map out every single button press from the start of the fight to the end with like, minor minor exceptions for reck procs outside of reck
junior gale
you charge but boss is moving and now u can keep up eaiser
dense elbow
you mean to move faster with bladestorm?
covert blaze
I do wanna say how amazingly underated the 70% movespeed buff after charging is
Imagine running out with a mechanic that roots you and insta charging back in
Very cool (unironically)
candid falcon
max has rated Slayer as mid
austere drift
fair rating tbh
dense elbow
Charge got a minium range tho, so we gotta run away, to break the root charing back in
sounds kidna urgh
candid falcon
i'd rate it kinda bad. that shit sucks ‼️
bitter mortar
Personally I would rate it much lower than mid cause I despise bladestorm
candid falcon
(i dont wanna bladestorm)
covert blaze
Charge got a minium range tho, so we gotta run away, to break the root charing b...
Read the sentence again
dense elbow
My point stands
junior gale
I mean thats good gameplay
austere drift
for just fury id send it to the shadow realm yeah but gotta account for arms too
junior gale
to outplay a mechanic
dense elbow
ya gotta run out, to get the possibilty to remove the root
proper veldt
Idk, we aren't exactly juggling ogcd's or anything anymore, it's just kinda hitt...
yeah and its too fast spammy and boring, bladestorm would be a nice fun adition to that that will let you chill , idk why people are hating bladestorm ,bladestorm is awesome
candid falcon
the last time fury used bladestorm it was to steal some shit from Arms and it got Bladestorm removed from fury entirely
covert blaze
My point stands
Yeah but I literally typed that lol
dense elbow
Now, why would you want to rootbreak with charge - when you can do it with bloodthrist?
hmmm
bitter palm
the last time fury used bladestorm it was to steal some shit from Arms and it go...
nah
fury used bs
in m+
throughout the entirety of sl
candid falcon
tgats
hardy cargo
yeah and its too fast spammy and boring, bladestorm would be a nice fun adition ...
Bs as fury felt good to press in SL imo, I also don’t know why people hate it
bitter palm
and then towards the end we started playing mbg
candid falcon
is that true
candid falcon
i dont remember using bladestorm in s1 slands
bitter palm
what else
proper veldt
Bs as fury felt good to press in SL imo, I also don’t know why people hate it
yeah + it was a faster version of arms's bs and it slapped
candid falcon
yeah act
hardy cargo
You played it in S1
candid falcon
dragon roar
dense elbow
Dragon Roar in legion, it was still the "it got to crit to do dam" version?
candid falcon
thats probably why i didnt do so well in M+ in slands LOL
dense elbow
cant remember
candid falcon
Dragon Roar in legion, it was still the "it got to crit to do dam" version?
yeah
candid falcon
it was the version where if it crit, it did like 4 morbillion damage
bitter palm
to secondary targets
and it was very weak throughout sl
u had people on halondrus
with meatcleaver
getting r1s
cause u had like 2 casts of droar
as a filler
if u run out of rb
someho
somehow*
dense elbow
Dream is still on lifesupport!
candid falcon
i think it would be very funny if they made a ST version of bladestorm that was a vertical bladestorm
sinful spoke
yeah
covert blaze
maybe execute is a spender
bitter palm
i dont want be shoehorned into last 35%
candid falcon
mass execute dream is dead tho
sinful spoke
nuh uh
dense elbow
Well, it gives SD chance, it grants 10-30% base dam, with a 15% crit dam modifer. That is it, no?
candid falcon
if tunnel vision ramps up fast enough it might be okay.
hardy cargo
make tunnel vision
Surely we would just play the execute dancing blades
bitter palm
ye now imagine every single talent was execute oriented
bitter mortar
maybe execute is a spender
Praise be, someone who gets it
bitter palm
ye now imagine every single talent was execute oriented
0 benefit from the tree until last 35%
bitter mortar
ye now imagine every single talent was execute oriented
How perfect it would have been
covert blaze
if tunnel vision ramps up fast enough it might be okay.
Maybe they remove Frenzy
bitter palm
How perfect it would have been
ye and ur spec is automatically dogshit on short bosses
amazing design
candid falcon
Maybe they remove Frenzy
deeply unlikely
proper veldt
Maybe they remove Frenzy
oh pls yes , talk more , you are making me wet
bitter mortar
BiS
bitter palm
and too strong on long bosses
dense elbow
0 benefit from the tree until last 35%
Still would be fun when it was fun, I take that for what it is
bitter mortar
ye and ur spec is automatically dogshit on short bosses
A small price to pay for no bladestorm
dense elbow
Think of all the mobs you would pull in old dungs tho?
bitter mortar
It's really not that deep though, just design new ways to do AoE with execute or something that isn't bladestorm lmao
candid falcon
mass execute
bitter mortar
Fuck man, make WW do damage for fury at least a bit instead of healing targets
dense elbow
Just make execute cleave, and job is well done
bitter mortar
Idk
covert blaze
Still would be fun when it was fun, I take that for what it is
Prog first half of a boss with no DPS warriors and the second half sub them in
dense elbow
Prog first half of a boss with no DPS warriors and the second half sub them in <...
Be laughed at for 65%, then you laugh at them
candid falcon
does blizzard listen to any feedback anywhere, is there a good place to tell them shit sucks
bitter mortar
Be laughed at for 65%, then you laugh at them
We like to call that the Antorus special
dense elbow
Delicious
bitter mortar
We like to call that the Antorus special
The best tier of fury I ever played tbh
dense elbow
Yep yep, but that is what it is
covert blaze
does blizzard listen to any feedback anywhere, is there a good place to tell the...
Forums supposedly
bitter mortar
Nothing hit like high stack juggernaut on Argus
dense elbow
does blizzard listen to any feedback anywhere, is there a good place to tell the...
Only twitter, with enough traction and youtube videoes
gl hf
candid falcon
:/
dense elbow
99 stack juggernaut is just not healthy
Healthy? No. Fun? Fuck yeaaas
candid falcon
community council is my last hope
oblique trail
Healthy? No. Fun? Fuck yeaaas
It's not very fun having to drop stacks because of mechanics =)
dense elbow
And?
oblique trail
And then you're back to doing no damage
covert blaze
that is the game
bet you love AM
bitter mortar
Damn that's crazy, losing damage because of mechanics sucks?
dense elbow
ya did your damdest to not let that happen, ton of fun
oblique trail
Okay and you can also just have fun without having your entire damage window rely on being able to stack up to 99 times on one singular button
oblique trail
Damn that's crazy, losing damage because of mechanics sucks?
There are varying degrees to this
oblique trail
AM is bad, Juggernaut at 99 stacks is horrid
bitter mortar
Idk man, I was in a truly terrible guild and we got CE Argus, I don't think either of the warriors hit 99 stacks
covert blaze
AM is bad, Juggernaut at 99 stacks is horrid
Kiss me
dense elbow
I loved just the potential, and knowing as the execute phase started - I was going to have a blast
median dust
Just forget BS and let whirlwind hit unlimited targets with a proc 😏
dense elbow
now, execute is... meh
bitter mortar
Hitting 99 sounds like you're gaming some shit and drawing the boss out for longer than it needed to be just so you can parse
Which is like
A personal issue
oblique trail
Idk man, I was in a truly terrible guild and we got CE Argus, I don't think eith...
It's not the fact that you can hit 99 stacks or being able to hit it at all that's my issue with it, but you're inevitably gonna get tuned around it and anytime you can't reach any meaningful amount of stacks you're just borderline useless
dense elbow
It's not the fact that you can hit 99 stacks or being able to hit it at all that...
it was meaning full after 1 stack
covert blaze
Hitting 99 sounds like you're gaming some shit and drawing the boss out for long...
🇨🇳
dense elbow
10 stacks, ya going ham, 20 pumpin, 30 weeeeeeeee, 40 the dream
bitter mortar
🇨🇳
dense elbow
99? The untold god potential
oblique trail
Some will like it, but ultimately it's better to keep Juggernaut limited to a lower stack amount
oblique trail
So you wont drop off the face of the planet if you lose them
bitter palm
It's not the fact that you can hit 99 stacks or being able to hit it at all that...
sane people in fury chat??????????
oblique trail
And I disagree with everything you say Kitty
tardy lark
Our parse
chinese players are known to do some degen shit for boss parses, specifically in classic but also in retail
oblique trail
So you're welcome to
dense elbow
I know, Banezi, it is a given
covert blaze
bitter mortar
chinese players are known to do some degen shit for boss parses, specifically in...
Neat to know, I basically do not interact with the WoW community at all, this is the first time I've done it since legion/early-mid bfa tbh
oblique trail
Neat to know, I basically do not interact with the WoW community at all, this is...
You're better off not interacting at all
dense elbow
this be true
covert blaze
chinese players are known to do some degen shit for boss parses, specifically in...
Getting extra add phases on hivemind
dense elbow
Just modding the logs
bitter mortar
So you wont drop off the face of the planet if you lose them
Idk man, I'm fairly sure DH's having to do a mechanic and losing Meta feel the same but meta is still in the game, I just don't get the difference
Not so much this season
tardy lark
tampering with logs is easily found
oblique trail
Idk man, I'm fairly sure DH's having to do a mechanic and losing Meta feel the s...
Except Demonic causes you to have Meta for half the fight either way
covert blaze
Idk man, I'm fairly sure DH's having to do a mechanic and losing Meta feel the s...
That's like the worst example possible
oblique trail
Demonic I despise
I wish Demonic would get nuked
Off the face of the planet
Permanently
dense elbow
I like demonic :(
bitter mortar
But last and 1st and most season where you run the talent that increases meta duration when you use Chaos Strike and the like basically mean if you have any downtime at all you lose meta and do negative damage
dense elbow
why do you take everything I like away
covert blaze
Demonic makes meta be a subpar cd
Kinda like reck
warm crag
Demonic I despise
i despise your daily lies in skyhold!!!
covert blaze
But last and 1st and most season where you run the talent that increases meta du...
Basically AM
dense elbow
Demonic makes meta be a subpar cd
Kinda like reck
Meta is just a jumpstart for demonic!
oblique trail
I played DH in S1, I didn't really care about it back then because most bosses you had no issue with uptime on
bitter mortar
Basically AM
True
oblique trail
i despise your daily lies in skyhold!!!
bitter mortar
I played DH in S1, I didn't really care about it back then because most bosses y...
Yeah but that's like saying you don't care about Juggernaut because it had no issues with update
covert blaze
Any cdr full-uptime-requirement thingy is CRINGE
dense elbow
That is fury s2 in a basket tho
covert blaze
Shattered destiny is and also AM
covert blaze
That is fury s2 in a basket tho
yes
dense elbow
Did you vote s1?
covert blaze
I voted s3
bitter mortar
Idk, I feel like there is a stark difference between Up-time based CDR and Up-time based cooldown durations
dense elbow
I voted 20 times for both :v
oblique trail
Yeah but that's like saying you don't care about Juggernaut because it had no is...
I think the less you get punished for getting targeted by anything that makes you drop uptime is better, yes
Low stacks on Juggernaut = You wont get punished nearly as hard as having 30+ stacks back in Legion
covert blaze
I voted 20 times for both :v
yeah we all know EU botted votes dw
dense elbow
You didnt lose dam, you lost potential
bitter mortar
How about, hear me out here
dense elbow
EU s2 bots only ofc
bitter mortar
It just never falls off
1% damage increase per stack
Permanent
Resets when out of combat
👍
bitter mortar
Sounds like fun tbh
oblique trail
People have different perceptions of fun, which is fine
dense elbow
yep, we do -that is why it is all fair
covert blaze
yep, but ppl here hate fun
You have a very weird concept of fun imo, given the context
oblique trail
I just think that a lot of Juggernaut stacks is not fun, and there's a reason it's not a thing anymore either
dense elbow
and I found it to be fun, and there was a reason it used to be a thing
Legion just was more fun
:v
bitter mortar
Idk, i've always had the opinion that if it wasn't big risk reward it just shouldn't be a thing
oblique trail
I don't think 99 Juggernaut stacks was the major reason Legion was fun
covert blaze
banezi has been spitting facts for the last half hour
bitter mortar
If it's not gonna go to 99, just remove that shit man
tardy lark
🧇
dense elbow
Love we got quite the different opinions, makes it a more interesting talk
I love potential, Kyo want reachable potential, Banezi want riskfree potential
covert blaze
Love we got quite the different opinions, makes it a more interesting talk
That's what motivates yapping
oblique trail
I don't think it's interesting to have the same back and forth about people having rose-tinted glasses about something that's just not healthy for class design
covert blaze
tardy lark
gonna doubt on that one
dense elbow
Wdum, Ban?
candid falcon
the thing that sucks is that there's no way to know if any of this will be good because there's just gonna be a rework anyway?
covert blaze
Just have the lowest expectations
candid falcon
It's exciting in a way, but also it means there's no baseline for Slayer to improve on
dense elbow
Now that is spitting facts
candid falcon
so everyone is arguing from different places
dense elbow
Isn't it more a question of channeled ability vs no channel?
covert blaze
If you always have the lowest expectations, you don't get disappointed and maybe you get a good surprise.
No other way to live
half cargo
Based ^
dense elbow
^
bitter mortar
I would like for them to completely revert Survival Hunter to the way it was in Legion
Also fury warrior I guess >.>
dense elbow
I didn't expect shit from slayer, so when I saw bladestorm instead of "delete your warrior", I thought to myself: Neat
gilded pawn
Mountain thane may as well be “delete your warrior”
candid falcon
(not real, hyperbole) one guy thinks Slam is making its triumphant return, another guy is mad that Bloodthirst is going to exist next expansion, and a third guy is sitting there mathing out Hurricane uptime from the "brief bladestorm" when we're not even sure Hurricane is going to make it to the next expansion
gilded pawn
It’s actually not exciting
dense elbow
Mountain thane may as well be “delete your warrior”
For me, it became my lowbar for Slayer
candid falcon
For me, it became my lowbar for Slayer <:keks:936231610850897992>
me too tbh
bitter mortar
But your expectations cannot help be the elevated to the point of wanting an execute tree when you are specifically told there will be an execute tree
bitter mortar
So maybe you're right Zhai, maybe listening to Blizzard was a mistake
cold jolt
no me
dense elbow
Zhai would always be right, if he accepted that 99 stack jug and 51% baseline OF buff would be neato
covert blaze
I always supported you on the OF buff
dense elbow
<3
candid falcon
odyns fury is swag tho
bitter mortar
Like if I ever see Blizzard talking about Sunfury, I guess I will expect it to be based around like Arcane Blast/ Fireball buffing some ability that Arcane does not have access to but will be forced into the tree just so Fire design doesn't have to be thought about at all I guess
bitter mortar
👍
covert blaze
Unlucky
cold jolt
how do i get into aheroic fyrak without a heroic fyrak kill
dense elbow
Now that is how you get my affection, no need for wine or cheeze
covert blaze
how do i get into aheroic fyrak without a heroic fyrak kill
Pay gold
cold jolt
joever
dense elbow
Make your own group - this works on all my rat alts, call it "skip run", fill it with ppl that has killed Fyrakk at least 5 times.
Win
covert blaze
Buy a carry once so rio shows 9/9, get like 475+ Ivl and get invited natty
dense elbow
Why would you pay for a carry, when the 29 488 paladin group is there for you?
half cargo
Make your own group - this works on all my rat alts, call it "skip run", fill it...
Put “Curve only” for good measure
dense elbow
Never
covert blaze
too poor gg
It's like 60k gold rn
dense elbow
Write "Skip run", and only that
I avoid curve only like the plague
freaking boosties, all of them
think curve matters!
spits
covert blaze
Buy a token
dense elbow
80k
JUST MAKE YOUR OWN FREE FREAKING GROUP YA TWATHAT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
covert blaze
Not a lot of people want to deal with that
Although it is true that it's the best way to get carried
dense elbow
You fill it with mythic raidres, they bulldoze the raid in 40min, come on
Skip run is even less
cold jolt
sure ill try but
dense elbow
... but?
cold jolt
i dont got the skip
dense elbow
They do
dont worry about it
pretend you know whats up
fake it till you make it
they wont care
they do 300k ST dps, bosses melt
noone cares
cold jolt
ill try
dense elbow
(just promote one of the 9/9 raiders in a healer or tank role, ask if they can place markers on fyrakk and fix seeders, while you take a quick nature's call)
cold jolt
after thjuis key
dense elbow
Skip run is: Gnarl - Igeria, Smold, Tind and Fyrakk
covert blaze
Keep us updated
careful
dense elbow
Just get people with mythic XP, even if they got 470-480 ilvl, till you got like 10 ppl in the group. From then it grows by their networks
cold jolt
):
joever
these tanbks are so trash
in this m+
legir standing stioll with the ooze
like bruh??
juyst move>??
balmy shore
IM READY TO SLAY 💅💅
clever belfry
@oblique trail gat
oblique trail
Nya
oblique trail
Nya~ :3
oblique trail
I'm busy playing vidya game sleep can wait
oblique trail
My condolences thoughts and prayers with you
clever belfry
I'm busy playing vidya game sleep can wait
what game tho...
oblique trail
Stolen Realm with 3 friends
clever belfry
steal dn instead mayhaps
oblique trail
Coming to Germany real quick
clever belfry
locking my door
oblique trail
leveled picklocking can't stop me
edgy widget
IM READY TO SLAY 💅💅
I'm surprised there aren't more memes already
cold jolt
i cant anymore man
9 years into serason 3 and ppl still dotn know the last boss in thrones
or how to use their soulstone ( refused)
candid falcon
im. kinda hoping they just rework slayer entirely
ik thats copium but like. no fucking way they give Fury a version of bladestorm specifically so that Arms has its own seperate bladestorm identity
and then the next expansion they revert it and make fury sit in bladestorm again.
edgy widget
So I have a sneaky subversive theory about why they're going back to BS for Fury
candid falcon
what'cha got mr arch
ancient quiver
He's cookin
candid falcon
that brother is forging for sure
wild mica
blizz just hates us is all
candid falcon
blizz just hates us is all
this is true but seperately true
odd star
i will not press bladestorm. i guess im rerolling to dwarf to get into the thane rp
(actually I WILL play whatever does more dps)
candid falcon
i will not press bladestorm. i guess im rerolling to dwarf to get into the thane...
ravager updated to work with Slayer 🙏 please merciful blizzard gods
young swan
how can u play warrior and not like bladestorm
wild mica
how can u play warrior and not like bladestorm
how can you play fury and like not pressing buttons for what feels like forever
candid falcon
easily. bladestorm is 6 seconds of sitting there jorking it while not doing my rotation. let the arms guys do that
young swan
how can you play fury and like not pressing buttons for what feels like forever
it is 3 seconds brother
young swan
easily. bladestorm is 6 seconds of sitting there jorking it while not doing my r...
it is 3 seconds brother
wild mica
exactly, feels like forever
candid falcon
it is 3 seconds brother
is bladestorm hasted
young swan
is bladestorm hasted
yes
modest condor
damn archi is cooking a whole feast right now
warm crag
how can u play warrior and not like bladestorm
shouldnt be going from apm spam to channeling this shit in st ever
covert blaze
xan - bladestorm lover
wild mica
ok so your source is old data from years ago
candid falcon
the only time I want to be bladestorming in ST is if it's a vertical bladestorm that hits only one target
oblique trail
ok so your source is old data from years ago
odd star
i dont like bladestorm if its too ambiguous when to press it in ST
covert blaze
spongus based
edgy widget
So I have a sneaky subversive theory about why they're going back to BS for Fury
Absent all the flavor, hero talent trees are just a mix of ST damage, AoE damage, defense, and some kind of utility, right? All of them have each of those components
For Warriors, that "utility" aspect mostly comes in the form of increased lockdown by way of stuns
- Mountain Thane gets multitarget Storm Bolts
- Colossus gets more Shockwaves
- So what do you give Slayer?
Slayer has one talent that affects stuns, and it's a major request for the last two years - let people interrupt/stun during Bladestorm - and that's fantastic, no complaints about that whatsoever
- But what does that do for Fury?
Not a damn thing, because Fury could already interrupt/stun/whatever they want during Ravager. So what kind of "utility/CC/stun" bonus do you give Fury that has the same weight of impact?
You don't. Just take away Ravager and give them Bladestorm instead. Now both specs benefit from "interrupt while Bladestorm" equally 🙃
candid falcon
and/or if i can keep doing my rotation mid bladestorm
modest condor
yeah im sure blizzard would rather code a completely new ability than just use the one that has existed for ages
young swan
ok so your source is old data from years ago
my source is the most recently used asset of bladestorm that they have no reason to change
candid falcon
fuck, arch makes a good point.
odd star
Absent all the flavor, hero talent trees are just a mix of ST damage, AoE damage...
ok now i feel worse, ty
edgy widget
😆
modest condor
i think your cooking burned a bit
edgy widget
I'm sayin it's sneakily subversive
covert blaze
edgy widget
but it makes a lot of sense when you think about it
wild mica
just let fury press all buttons during bladestorm, then bladestorm is ok
candid falcon
what if it said "you can keep attacking during bladestorm" there
wild mica
arms has to spin because 1 weapon, fury has 2 weapons so we can swing and spin
edgy widget
I mean were they going to make a talent that said "Arms can interrupt during Bladestorm, Fury gets -15s CD on Stormbolt`` ? hell no
ancient quiver
Just make that arms part baseline 😦
wild mica
i wonder why they didnt put shockwave in there too.. like why just bolt
edgy widget
ok so your source is old data from years ago
idk what you're getting at, Bladestorm is hasted - there is no disputing that fact
covert blaze
I bet they replace one of the "bt cdr" thingies with something cc related
candid falcon
hated*
edgy widget
i wonder why they didnt put shockwave in there too.. like why just bolt
probably just didn't want to make the AoE stun that freely available, maybe PvP concerns of shockwaving a group and trapping them in your bladestorm?
covert blaze
Slayer gets "inti shout affects 1 more target"
edgy widget
idk, but it doesn't feel like an arbitrary (dis)inclusion
edgy widget
I bet they replace one of the "bt cdr" thingies with something cc related
they already did, it's +10% BT/OP damage" now instead
odd star
i havent checked thane tree since i defected to ret because leggo dropped earlier in my ret...
is thane good?
candid falcon
thane is okay.
modest condor
they already did, it's +10% BT/OP damage" now instead <:deadge:90027992713857843...
omg huge
edgy widget
is thane good?
Thane has a solid concept, but needs some adjustments (which they have said they're working on)
candid falcon
probably just didn't want to make the AoE stun that freely available, maybe PvP ...
spear does this
edgy widget
it was one of the first hero trees they did and kinda shows
wild mica
idk what you're getting at, Bladestorm is hasted - there is no disputing that fa...
yeah but the base time is long AF so even hasted it feels bad
edgy widget
spear does this
and?
candid falcon
i guess spear is harder to hit and the reward is getting to blender people?
edgy widget
harder to hit, more setup (have to use it first), greater investment in general
I'm not saying there aren't ways to hit a bunch of peope with bladestorm anyway
I'm just saying it feels very purposeful that they didn't include Shockwave, seemingly because they wanted to limit it to single target lockdown
odd star
my opinion is that bladestorm should do more unconditional damage like wake of ashes for ret. if we're gonna sit on it that long, make it fun and rewarding. make it high prio in both st and aoe unconditionally and i'd be fine
edgy widget
they could have made it just pummel, but probably recognized that some important mechanics can't be interrupted and need to be stunned, so they allowed a stun as well
candid falcon
what if bladestorm did more damage if it was hitting a lower target count like mass disintegrate?
odd star
what if bladestorm did more damage if it was hitting a lower target count like m...
that would be awesome imo
edgy widget
Unhinged kinda does that, it's just been too "expensive" to take for what you get out of it
candid falcon
solve the "bladestorm feels like dogfart in ST" problem without making bladestorm obscene in aoe
edgy widget
but yeah, I do think Bladestorm could use more direct damage (just nuke Hurricane and merge its damage into BS directly), and it would be nice if it had some kind of low-target bonus
odd star
but yeah, I do think Bladestorm could use more direct damage (just nuke Hurrican...
yeah that would feel good too
edgy widget
Demolish is kinda facing the same problem
candid falcon
Hurricane's damage window was fun to play around
edgy widget
it's gotta have some kinda target scaling or else it can't be a strong ST attack without being nuclear in AoE, and it's kinda hard to tune for both
wild mica
Hurricane's damage window was fun to play around
that is certainly an opinion
edgy widget
Hurricane's damage window was fun to play around
it can be fun for sure, and it's not a weak talent whatsover - but it is taking damage away from Bladestorm/Ravager
candid falcon
season 2 getting the tier set boosted bloodthirsts with Hurricane up did some nasty damage
edgy widget
if you wanna get something, you gotta give something up
odd star
its too strong of a talent so the base spell gets nerfed
candid falcon
ahh i see.
i keep alternating between "its so over" and "surely the rework will save this"
edgy widget
that's the core problem with Arms bladestorm right now, it's as much a vehicle for buffs as it is a damaging ability; if you want it to be stronger, you gotta take damage out of something else to compensate
I think slayer looks pretty legit tbh
I'm very curious to see how the community reacts to Bladestorm for Fury again, but we also know they're going to change some shit around in the class/spec trees, so it's hard to pass judgement right now
maybe they are planning to let you spec into Ravager as a BS replacement and they just didn't bother to note it on the Slayer preview
or there's another sub-talent that makes it a background action instead of a channel, idk
or maybe just having to stop pressing buttons for 3 seconds every minute isn't really the end of the world
idk
wild mica
or maybe just having to stop pressing buttons for 3 seconds every minute isn't r...
blasphemy
edgy widget
we'll find out in a couple months when alpha goes up lol
modest condor
surely they'll have a working tree for when the alpha releases 
candid falcon
maybe they are planning to let you spec into Ravager as a BS replacement and they just didn't bother to note it on the Slayer preview
this is the only thing keeping me alive
actually thats dooming too hard
edgy widget
idk looking at the slayer tree, I feel like it's unlikely Ravager sticks around, but who knows
candid falcon
no matter what i'll still probably play fury, it just feels weird that we're leaning so far into Arms' theme and slower bladestorm is just boring imo
maybe we'll have a fast bladestorm
maybe the added hits from Slayer will make bladestorm feel like it's hitting fast and hard.
odd star
or maybe just having to stop pressing buttons for 3 seconds every minute isn't r...
it is not but i don't like bladestorm being setup instead of the reward itself
i loved bladestorm back in older xpacs, it felt so strong. given i didnt know nothing about the game so maybe it wasnt that strong but it did feel better lol
frank dawn
I’ll def be sad if Bladestorm only exists to grant hurricane
I want to hit bladestorm and I want it to pump
silent burrow
Slayer sounds pretty interesting
dense elbow
I just kinda hope they remove overwhelming blades, feels a bit, hurricany to me. Just move the dam into execute or the bladestorm itself. No need to buff what comes after
covert sonnet
i have nothing against bladestorm if its the fast bladestorm but i dont like its procing bladestorms feels wierd not having control over ure "cds"
i wanna press the button myself and not proc it when only 1 mob is still alive
or did i understand something wrong ?
covert sonnet
ah okay
modest condor
"prob"
ability literally says 1 hit lol
you will still be pressing bladestorm a lot tho, with the capstone giving it cdr
covert sonnet
ok sounds better than
young swan
anyone who doesnt like slayer should be mandated to go watch old warrior youtube videos from siege and BRF
summer quail
the insane thing to me is it seems like the capstone just gets you free cdr everytime you execute? or am i reading it wrong
covert sonnet
i mean i just want the control over it, i also like the change that its finaly poss to kick and cc during bs
bitter palm
the insane thing to me is it seems like the capstone just gets you free cdr ever...
needs the debuff
young swan
the insane thing to me is it seems like the capstone just gets you free cdr ever...
thats functionally how its gonna work yeah
modest condor
i mean you need to have stacks of that debuff yeah
young swan
very high chance is weird th
summer quail
ye i know it needs the debuff but it doesn't say that it consumes the debuff
modest condor
ye
summer quail
nor does it say that the debuff has any duration, so in execute phase you would always have it up?
modest condor
also that talent that gives bladestorm more ticks is actually kinda strong
more than 50% damage increase at 3 stacks
bitter palm
they prob dont know the numbers but they could just give us a ballpark
bitter palm
nor does it say that the debuff has any duration, so in execute phase you would ...
pretty sure you consume it?
its insane if u dont
summer quail
doesn't say anywhere that you consume it tho but you prob do
modest condor
i mean i get the joke about unclear tooltips, but some things really dont need to be written
like you really think they're gonna make a talent that just gives every execute 15 seconds of cdr on bladestorm?
summer quail
nah, one could wish tho. would be a spinning ball of death
modest condor
i can already see that 5 seconds of cdr per stack getting reduced to like 2 seconds or something
bitter palm
prob on exe use
quiet bramble
I'm just glad mountain thane exists for those who don't like bladestorm
Arms being stuck with two channels though, oof
fleet sorrel
covert sonnet
I'm just glad mountain thane exists for those who don't like bladestorm
well smf exists too 😄 but u aint gonna play it cause its bad 😄 so since u always play whats best in most cases it doesnt matter rly. if u have a raidtier or season where bladestorm for example is better u gotta play it or dont get taken
so i can see why people complain
quiet bramble
With luck they balance hero talents close enough it's preference, but beyond that I think many people would just have more fun doing a rotation they like instead of getting a couple more %
storm rune
With luck they balance hero talents close enough it's preference, but beyond tha...
hahahahaha
balance
covert sonnet
With luck they balance hero talents close enough it's preference, but beyond tha...
i see ure point and i also wish it will be like this 😄 but u know meta always exist
quiet bramble
Well that's why delves exist, why you can get myth track from +8s soon, hero track from m0s.
You can progress without dealing with the super sweaty types unless that's the only way you're happy
If you're going after cutting edge or the m+ title you've already put aside pure fun anyways
modest condor
you can get myth track from +8s soon because they reduced all the keylevels by 10, it's not like you can suddenly get myth track from easier content, it will still be as difficult as an 18 is right now.
summer quail
it will be 1 less affix than an 18 is now, so prob a tiny bit easier
quiet bramble
It will be easier cause it's losing an affix
I guess we're assuming it's using the current scaling after +10 too
modest condor
it is
covert sonnet
same shit diffrent numbers they just deleted current 1-10
modest condor
yeah
frank dawn
If they aren't going to make bigger changes to affixes, then at least letting me ignore the final tier on all my alts (more or less) is a decent compromise for me lol
modest condor
you will also get the same score from a +2 as you get from a +12 right now
quiet bramble
I know for me keys will be a lot easier never dealing with on death affixes ever again.
No more bursting!
frank dawn
yeah I mean it's def a pretty big nerf for aspect farming and anyone not pushing
again, I'm all for it lol
quiet bramble
Also super excited to do m0s on alts
Champ loot from each boss will be so nice, plus it'll work with the dungeon weekly
So last boss will drop extra.
frank dawn
I didn't think about the dungeon weekly part, not huge, but still nice when it comes around
dense elbow
Makes me glad to see that the changes are affecting people in a positive way 
Gj blizz devorinos
quiet bramble
I love m+ in ways, but as someone who's soured on legacy dungeons, alts getting relevant gear from m0s keeps the expansion dungeons a choice all expansion long
dense elbow
Aint 489, so nah
quiet bramble
Speed and socket is nice
dense elbow
Ask robot
quiet bramble
But for dps simyoself
desert onyx
I'm curious, with bladestorm making a comeback do you think we'll lose anything? I'm kind of fond with our attack cooldowns as it is.
quiet bramble
It might become a choice node with ravager
desert onyx
Hmm, I can get jiggy with that.
summer quail
It might become a choice node with ravager
doubt it
quiet bramble
We'll know in a few weeks with alpha
dense elbow
Maybe prot get bladestorm too, so it is in the class tree instead of spear
quiet bramble
Nah, they already said it's being added to spec
dense elbow
if they replace Odyns, I go pinkboii
odd star
Maybe prot get bladestorm too, so it is in the class tree instead of spear <:xan...
that would be awesome actually
dense elbow
It would be
summer quail
<:sadge:820202363359854633> if they replace Odyns, I go pinkboii
i think odyns will still be there but us playing it won't be guaranteed
we didn't play odyns for 1.5 tiers this expansion, what did you do then? @dense elbow
frank dawn
The slayer tree buffs Bladestorm pretty significantly, I could see it being kind of like now for Arms where you don't take it most of the time if you aren't specced into Slayer
which is probably fine
dense elbow
we didn't play odyns for 1.5 tiers this expansion, what did you do then? <@23728...
I was the OF/OS guy, losing 12k overalls to it
In S2, that is me again
summer quail
ah nice, i like sticking to what you like even when it isn't the best
austere drift
<:sadge:820202363359854633> if they replace Odyns, I go pinkboii
i might do that anyway, at minimum an alt, ret got 2 choices that absolutely slap lol, at least in theory
sullen dove
summer quail
wish i could do that, i just end being annoyed knowing i'm playing something suboptimal
frank dawn
assuming the legendary is somewhat easily upgradeable in season 4 I just am not gonna do it again even if I could get it to drop on my Ret. Even tho I think Ret is a lot of fun to play
void valley
edgy widget
I’ll def be sad if Bladestorm only exists to grant hurricane
Hurricane was kinda made to allow BS/Rav to still provide value on ST as well as in AoE, but I do think it skews too far, especially since you're frequently better off simply not speccing into BS in order to deal ST damage (admittedly less so the case with Ravager though)
frank dawn
I don't mind the idea of hurricane, just yeah tilted a bit too far
dense elbow
Ya don't fear the new 'hurricane' in slayer will do the same?
edgy widget
Overwhelm? Hard to say without seeing everything
dense elbow
Fair, i hoped ya would put that to rest. Ease my mind
edgy widget
I mean Overwhelming is very similar in nature to Hurricane, so it's not an unrealistic observation
I just don't really know without seeing how it plays out and feels in practice
frank dawn
what is 30% strength roughly equiv to as a damage increase
dense elbow
I still hope they just bake the flat dam into BS itself, not as a follow-up ramp
edgy widget
I don't think there's anything wrong with Hurricane or Overwhelming existing, they actually do serve good purposes