fury

[dense elbow]

Crit, don't worry, you gonna pop off with legendary:^)

[rotund ginkgo]

surely now that u have orange stick u can do well

[opal monolith]

Like a feral druid has increased base range how the fuck does that makr sense from an rpg standpoint

Their paws are tiny

[rotund ginkgo]

devious statistics lads

[mossy fox]

tbh im not too far behind on overall in most cases

[rotund ginkgo]

keep in mind most of the invites were early season

@mossy fox same, i dont fall behind too much

[mossy fox]

usually ahead of the outlaw as arms if we do big pulls

his dmg is much more useful than mine tho

[dense elbow]

It is the same as rogues, fantasy is them using their agility to weave in and out going tatatata

[sudden tusk]

fort week is arms playground

[slim coral]

Sorry fell asleep

[chrome plover]

i wish that were me

[dense elbow]

Brings only damage, is behind on damage. This is fine

[rotund ginkgo]

which is "FAIR"

but like

bruh

a lion?

im literally wielding

a fuckin 2 meter long pole

and I AINT talkin about my dual wield

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-reaction-really-gif-27425089

[dense elbow]

You asking me if cats are faster than a fat dwarf?

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-shrek-rizz-rizz-gif-11157824601050747846

cats aint faster but their paws sure as hell dont extend 2 meters horizontally

[dense elbow]

They freaking magical cats

[rotund ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-smile-gif-3740293814942823221

[dense elbow]

They weave in and out and everywhere

Mewmewmew clawclaw scratch rip bite mewmew

[rotund ginkgo]

@mossy fox btw when i said "team benched" its like, to an extent where the comp is now mage/sp/fdk or sp/fdk/aug and at one point i was in comms with literally all 4 of them and they said "wheres the dk msg him" while i said "well im here"

that shit

https://tenor.com/view/that-shit-hurted-gif-12224520

[mossy fox]

[rotund ginkgo]

like legit

waited 40 mins for him

while im there

[dense elbow]

[rotund ginkgo]

"sry man we dont play with warrs this week"

https://tenor.com/view/i-didnt-do-fucking-shit-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-i-didnt-do-anything-i-did-jack-shit-i-did-fuck-all-gif-8193321463410745871

[dense elbow]

Que

[rotund ginkgo]

he does on most occassions slightly more damage than me (but then again i give him 5% damage so)

but like we're equally dogshit for this week

[dense elbow]

I smell it is more a 'we don't want to play with that warr' issue

[rotund ginkgo]

and they timed like 5 keys that I need and they didnt

nah they played a ton with me

im literally benched for "comp" when the comp doesnt even exist

[dense elbow]

Played, being key

[rotund ginkgo]

yes, as in, right before this week lol

havent seen them do a single key with warr

[dense elbow]

Sorry bud, ya out

[rotund ginkgo]

ye

packing my bags as we speak

[dense elbow]

Join me and do 20s for gold instead at least there we are wanted

[clever belfry]

love 10k cut

[opal monolith]

Yea makes sense actually

Didnt think about it like that

[dense elbow]

[desert cloud]

How much ?

I could boost even higher

Does it pay well ?

[craggy river]

Not anymore, start of a season is free money tho

[fleet sorrel]

[mossy fox]

[charred panther]

Yea, getting painful just pugging to fill the vault this late in the season

[desert cloud]

I’ve seen people asking for 3.2k just for a +18

And i’ve seen plenty

[velvet canopy]

I haven't had much trouble pugging for vaults. Just spam applying to 18-21 until one accepts.

Anything above a 22 is almost impossible to though

[blissful kestrel]

Couldnt get into any weekly 18-20s on my 487 rogue hop on my 450 evoker instant invite to 20s lol

[sudden tusk]

yeah 20s are strait pocket change rn

even heroic sales getting close to not worth it

[blissful kestrel]

I remember start of season I got 200k per 16s

How much are keys even worth at this point in patch

[dense elbow]

It is basically around 20-30k, 30-40k in an armor stack. I just use it to fill my weekly 8 vault on alts, and gain some gold doin' it

[gilded pawn]

seems like a good deal

if you knock out 8 vaults you made a month of sub in 1 week

[dense elbow]

Best way to afford legendary on all your alts, that is for sure

legendary is an investment, not a sink

[desert cloud]

I’ve been avoiding running heroic on my pala

Cuz i know if it drops i’m gonna spend all my lasting money after my first lego

[dense elbow]

On paladin legendary is huge tho

[desert cloud]

My gold ain’t huge tho

[sullen dove]

just 💳

[desert cloud]

I went bankrupt after crafting on warr

[dense elbow]

Get legendary, do some keys as a merc, ezpz

[desert cloud]

I would never

[gloomy steeple]

do you still cast execute even if ur doing the ramp bb spam?

[eternal sundial]

With aj yes

[gloomy steeple]

ive only been doing it when i need the rage, but not sure if im doing it right lol

[eternal sundial]

Unless u need to spend tier youd go BB exe bt ramp

[gloomy steeple]

soz im decently new, im not sure what aj is 😛

[desert cloud]

Ashen juggernaut

Execute stacking buff

[gloomy steeple]

with AJ is it like rampage bb execute spam?

[dense elbow]

basically

[gloomy steeple]

10-4, so in non AJ builds, is that when you just execute as filler?

[dense elbow]

BB, ramp, bt, exe, slam, ww

[gloomy steeple]

perf, tyty!

im a big dumb and didnt realize my raid st ran AJ 🙂

[gilded pawn]

yeah happens

i walk into heroic raid on my ret pal alt with a copy pasted talent on wowhead

not knowing what anything does

[gloomy steeple]

lmao thats been me, i have a warrior friend who helps out every now and then when i ask questions but its been a couple expansions since ive played warr, and even then i used to play arms not fury

[proud wedge]

Greetings chat.

Hope everyone's feeling well.

and pressing CDs on CD

and exercising those wrists to not get carpal tunnel

[sullen dove]

i think the only times u can ignore AJ executes at least for a small time is during spear you’d presumably want as many bbs as you can get, and a single standalone odyns I think it’s more worth to fit 2 bbs in with avatar

so like when u pop cds and spear in execute, unless aj about to fall off I would say it’s more correct to ramp>>bb repeat until spear is gone then keep ramp>>bb>>exe repeat

and just odyns on its own when u get 4 sec of ava I typically would odyns>>bb>>ramp>>bb and usually that’s about 3-4 seconds

whether u choose to rampage last global or exe under avatar is w/e whichever does more dmg probably, unless at full rage u just rampage ig

[wanton mirage]

what was S2 cutoff for title? RIO page is fked with wrong data

[bitter palm]

3.6?

i think

almost 3.7k or something

idk

[slim coral]

Slayer showcase maybe pog?

[bitter palm]

YOOOOOOOOOO

they nerfed scaling in s2 right

towards the end

of the season

they nerfed the scaling i think

[bitter palm]

Condemn

• Replaces Execute

1984

[indigo quarry]

fuck condemn

[bitter palm]

empowered execute is fine i think

as long as it isnt permanent

like in avatar windows

or something

ur execute is stronger

or during a separate new cd

[fast mural]

slayer is gonna allow us to be afk until 35%

allowing us to do 99% of our dmg in execute phase

[blissful kestrel]

Slayer will bring back condemn 🕵️

[fast mural]

if thats the case i will be a colossus main

[slim coral]

condemns passive was good

just the aoe build was trash

[indigo quarry]

condemn was dead

for 90% of the xpac

[slim coral]

yeah becuase of the lack of aoe

was just bad

[indigo quarry]

no no it was straight ass in the first 3 tier

[fast mural]

but the prepatch

[indigo quarry]

and only got broken as fuck because prepatch

[slim coral]

well the only ST fights were 3 in CN

[indigo quarry]

its the same problem with TOM

[slim coral]

in SOD there was only 3 as well I think

[indigo quarry]

shit talent

[slim coral]

maybe 4

[indigo quarry]

and people remember it fondly when its broken

they get some convenient memory loss about how bad it is design wise because big dmg dopamine

[slim coral]

I think they should make execute hit really hard

it's been kind of lacking for a while

for fury

[bitter palm]

ye

fury exe just need an aura buff

[slim coral]

I think max said warrior was the og execute right?

[indigo quarry]

dont listen to Max

[bitter palm]

max said warriors need god

[indigo quarry]

but for both spec Execute do shit dmg

[bitter palm]

9.2 prot execute was cracked

they buffed it by like 40% in ,5

.5

[slim coral]

my question is was warrior the og execute or no

[indigo quarry]

it only do decent dmg for Arms because you have TOM + CS + 15 Jugg stack overlapp

[bitter palm]

ye

[slim coral]

I didn't start until nya so I have no clue

[bitter palm]

most of arms damage in execute

is just overlaps

[indigo quarry]

it was for 20% of the fight

[slim coral]

the thing is tho

[bitter palm]

outside of overlaps arms execute is meh

[slim coral]

while sure arms does do good execute damaage

it's not enough

to warrant bringing one

for that purpose

so it's a failed niche design

[meager gyro]

I'm coping over cata classic. They made changes to specs power in wrath classic, so maybe fury gets some help with rage regen . We all cope right now, every version of game

[indigo quarry]

its just not tuned high enough

[slim coral]

yeah thats what I'm saying

[bitter palm]

wasnt fury like

the worst spec

[slim coral]

they need to crank it up for slayer

[indigo quarry]

and fuck Assassin coming in with a better execute

[bitter palm]

in the game

[slim coral]

to the max

[indigo quarry]

somehow

[bitter palm]

for the entire expansion

and arms was the best

[slim coral]

bro rogue is so fucking broken

in terms of boss damage

it's actually the r word

[bitter palm]

ret

[slim coral]

in terms of stupiidty

[meager gyro]

arms was S tier you could say, and fury was like C tier.

[junior gale]

I just want the Slayer tree to have actual effort put into and not the boring shit that was the colossus tree

[indigo quarry]

thats why we shouldnt be happy about an Execute niche

[bitter palm]

ye

[indigo quarry]

the important boss we saw that the p1 was as important as p3

[slim coral]

if slayer makes them make execute actually useful for prog I will be happy

[bitter palm]

please dont make slayer only good in execute phase

make execute available to press in avatar

or something

and jugg never falls off in combat

[junior gale]

they can just put a lot of focus on SD to help it outside of execute

[slim coral]

idk but the the tree better fucking scream slayer god

like kratos

From GOW

I have high hopes and cannot contain my excitement even though I probably should

[indigo quarry]

we arent rogue

its gonna be useless to see the Slayer tree without the rework anyway

[junior gale]

Don't be to excited or think crazy ideas Blizzard will ruin your hopes

[indigo quarry]

they missed so many good talent or previous lego

for no reason

[slim coral]

yeah true

[indigo quarry]

like fucking Bloodbath

where is it ?

[slim coral]

what do you mean where is it

[bitter palm]

mop bloodbath

[indigo quarry]

the real bloodbath

[slim coral]

oh that's a cool one

never seen that

[junior gale]

is there no CD on that or is that just tooltip

[bitter palm]

it was pretty short

like 30s i think

[slim coral]

B B should just do that on cd

[indigo quarry]

i remember 1min

[slim coral]

even if the cd is like 3 seconds

[junior gale]

Was gonna say then that sounds boring af if theres no cd

[bitter palm]

ye it was 1min in mop

then it got changed to 30s in legion

and more damage but 8s duration

from 12s

[unique lake]

Why does it say 100yrd range lol

[junior gale]

idk if it fits tho because that version of BB is basically just OF in a way

cd that does aoe dmg and gives you a bleed

[bitter palm]

cause it did aoe dmg

[slim coral]

not really

[bitter palm]

so it has a range

[slim coral]

OF doesnt have a frontal

[junior gale]

180 vs 360 its still an aoe

they essentially do the same just a lil different I can see it working tho if BB replaced OF and you just had some other talents that made it stronger

[indigo quarry]

it was turbo blasting

and the sound effect

[fickle bluff]

naur bro linked the bfa alpha version

[indigo quarry]

couldnt find the right one on Wowhead

[fickle bluff]

you wont that easily

they nuked the tooltip and you have to look at the history of it

[indigo quarry]

i tried

and gave up after 5 seconds

[fickle bluff]

[bitter palm]

oh ye thats the legion one

[indigo quarry]

still missing the CD on that one 😄

[bitter palm]

right

30s

[indigo quarry]

but it looks like legion yeah

[clever belfry]

Legion one was only used in uhhh antorus and if u wanted to mega pad cleave

[slim coral]

average warrior attention span

[indigo quarry]

i'm a busy man

and lazy

[barren dagger]

Are we the tankiest dps spec in the game?

About to put that in my notes when signing up

“Literally cannot die”

[lavish grove]

One of at least. But there're also pala/dh/rogue, they are tanky too

[modest condor]

dh is nowhere near as tanky as fury

[eternal sundial]

Rogue mage

[celest anchor]

68% bsl uptime fyrakk 🤔

[wanton mirage]

nice-1

are they almost always up in CD windows?

[lavish grove]

Depends on what you mean by tanky. Dh dies to one shots easier, but I feel like it has better sustain

[barren dagger]

We whinge about utility but spell reflect is op as fuck

I feel like other classes don’t know

[wanton mirage]

we are around the same sustain level from my experience.

[modest condor]

dh during meta definitely beats fury when it comes to selfhealing

but when looking at the spec as a whole, fury can just live way more than dh can

[thick fossil]

We just don't give the magic users 5% more damage.

[wanton mirage]

but then it is tied to DPS cd right? mostly overhealing

[opal monolith]

should i prog mythic fyrakk in st build until we get to adds?

or no point to do this

[young swan]

no point

[wanton mirage]

No point. You should play as you are killing

[young swan]

not only that but our "st" doesnt kick in until 35%

[opal monolith]

1 min roar is default for it right

basically same build as tindral mythic?

[young swan]

yeah

[opal monolith]

this all checks out right

[young swan]

yep

[opal monolith]

thanks mate

now on to intermission 1 suffering

for the next 3 hrs

[young swan]

have fun!

[rotund ginkgo]

any1 know if the next EU hearhtstone event is orgi/vald/stormwind?

[indigo quarry]

btw i wouldnt hope for Slayer hero tree this week

we already saw 2 of ours and some class only got 1

[sudden tusk]

bet we get conduits of the celestials and totemic

and they are both buffbots

then we can have Xeos "actual aug man" Wonka

[barren dagger]

We need s4 details more than anything

Slayer gonna be dog anyways

[dull sierra]

shaman

[slim coral]

Paly got all 3 though and so did Druid so can’t really rely on either let me have my hopium

Also they didn’t say how many were getting shown either

[young swan]

i dont think they tease it and dont release it

[gilded pawn]

Blizzard is known for edging

[indigo quarry]

dont druid get 4 ?

[slim coral]

Idk

[young swan]

druid does have 4

but pally does have all of theirs

wouldnt be insane if warrior got slayer tomorrow

[indigo quarry]

its on the 15th if i saw right

[slim coral]

Rider of the apocalypse better be able to mount

[cold jolt]

what if

warrior is just ichigo

[oblique trail]

what if

perish

[cold jolt]

or kenpachi

ya know fr?

[indigo quarry]

dude people are like 15 years later with those Bleach ref

[median marsh]

can someone help me sim pls?
i am having way less crit compare to other fury on top logs (not that i compare myself to top players, just the % on crit haste vers mastery i want to understand)

yet when i sim - the results are saying to keep what i am having now

[young swan]

thats because you dont have their gear

you have your gear

and your gear is different from their gear

[median marsh]

but i have other options that will give more crit so i can play with the gear +-

its around 1k differ

[jade cipher]

guys

talents regarding raging blow has no effect on annihalator right

it seems a bit weird

[oblique trail]

Some do, not all

Slaughtering Strikes for example works with both

[jade cipher]

yeah i know its written under it but talents having no effect is lazy work

hack and slash for example

[gilded pawn]

What do you want hns to do

[oblique trail]

Why would Hack and Slash work with Annihilator

[gilded pawn]

Reset your autos

[nocturne dragon]

is it too much if we ask blizz to make our "ST" kicks in from 100% instead of 35%

[covert blaze]

you can't have all talents work with everything

that would make no sense

[jade cipher]

have you seen ret talent tree, anything that works with templar strikes works with crusading strikes aswell

[jade cipher]

no? but have diffrent thing for annihalator

because you can technically select it

[young swan]

then we wouldnt be an execute spec and we would just be aoe padder guy

[jade cipher]

also wrath and fury, does it increase annihlator damage?

[young swan]

yes that is why the anni experiment should get removed

doesnt work for warrior

[oblique trail]

No but Cruelty does right before W&F, which does the same effect for Annihilator essentially

[jade cipher]

the design is flawed all i'm saying, literaly 0 flexibility in this talent tree even for fun

like sometimes you want to experiment a bit and not caring about dps gain loss

doesnt really allow it

[young swan]

theres never flexibility regardless

cause theres always a "best build"

just the way meta-gaming is

[jade cipher]

yeah i said not caring about best build

for example on my ret on tyranical i play half raid build half aoe and my hands arent tied

[young swan]

yeah i mean fury just isnt like that

its fundamentally different design decisions

[jade cipher]

this season i have played around 9 differnt arms builds

their talent build is gorgeous

[tardy lark]

[young swan]

i wouldnt call arms tree gorgeous

personally

but thats mostly because they have some stinker nodes

more than anything

[tidal kindle]

Arms has so much variety

Not because the talent tree is well designed

But because you have to pick and choose bits to make it work, since it's so poorly designed

Dooming aside the talent tree is all over the place

Fury has some pathing that makes sense at least

[jade cipher]

well look, you can play fervor of battle like start of season, double bladestorm for huge pad, 1 bladestorm for big aoe and some st focus, juggernaut build, and being able to choose between haste and Str gain

its much more fun

[young swan]

thats kind of the trouble with talents tree tho; you either have "variety" and are shafted in one way or another, or you're fairly inflexible but you fit almost all content modes seamlessly

[jade cipher]

well my main problem with talent tree

is that i have to spend talent points for niche uses

[oblique trail]

There isn't much gameplay difference between many of the builds, apart from Fervor you spam WW, the rest you don't, or you gain 1 button being BS

[jade cipher]

berserker shout, wrecking throw and so on

these things should be basleine

[jade cipher]

the damage profile is diffrent tho

[edgy widget]

wrecking throw is fine, like that's a good talent

[tidal kindle]

Agree

'Wrecking good

[young swan]

wrecking very good talent point

[edgy widget]

Berserker Shout isn't, because it's a little too niche and not overly impactful even when you do take it

[slim coral]

What if warrior is Gojo

[edgy widget]

not to mention hard to get to

[jade cipher]

i am not saying its bad i am saying it can be baseline, if only place i use it is absorb shield

like most of the time i wont press it

[edgy widget]

it doesn't need to be baseline

[jade cipher]

i do berserker on rezan tyranical

[tidal kindle]

That's why it's good for a talent though

[edgy widget]

there's nothing wrong with niche talents, as long as they're good at what they do

[edgy widget]

you can, but you don't need to

[tidal kindle]

You can swap it out for when you don't need it

[flat river]

Archiiii

Wassap senpai

[edgy widget]

and taking a talent for one boss of an entire dungeon is very low use case regardless

[jade cipher]

yeah i mean we used to have these things as warrior and was fine

class identity

[edgy widget]

wrecking throw might also fall into that if we think about just dungeons, but when you consider all of the raid uses, it's much better off

[edgy widget]

Yeah, and then we got a new talent system just like everyone else... lol

you can have everything baseline again, but you can't have an expanded talent system at the same time

[frank dawn]

Wrecking is what more talents need to be like imo. Less throughput, but still some, frees up economy to make some choices and it would be nice if part of that maybe let another talent or two become "baseline" just because there's not a better way to use the points

[jade cipher]

i miss my intervene charge macro

[tidal kindle]

Intervene should be baseline

I'll die on that hill

[edgy widget]

wrecking throw is also a theoretical damage increase even without absorb shields

just not a very good one

[young swan]

same way you'll die intervening the tank...

[slim coral]

Spell reflect should be baseline

[tidal kindle]

Never done that

[jade cipher]

rememmber when intervene die by the sword was a tank immunity

[oblique trail]

I wont because I'll pop DBTS 😎

[gilded pawn]

Yes but if there’s a talent that says “reset Templar strike cd when you spend hp” it would still not work with csaa

It’s just the fundamental design of the talent

[tidal kindle]

Yah intervene + dbts macro goated

[edgy widget]

I don't think it needs to be

[young swan]

remember the first iteration of the warrior tree when fury could take dbts

that was bis

miss that

[gilded pawn]

Bis

[oblique trail]

Yeah Fury really need dbts

[gilded pawn]

Wasn’t that on class tree

[young swan]

it does man

[edgy widget]

only two talents I'd make baseline are Berserker Rage, if only because it's usecase is so small, and Thunder Clap, mainly for early game & mountain thane benefits

[gilded pawn]

Prot with dbts

[young swan]

yeah prot wouldve had it too lmfao

might actually been a good tank outside of s1 if that stayed

[frank dawn]

this is fine

[edgy widget]

the rest are fine, and can just be moved around

[tidal kindle]

Yah or move it around works too

[edgy widget]

yeah and Arms had one less CD than everyone else 😆

[tidal kindle]

Just current intervene location for rest of talent point budget doesn't sit well with me

[gilded pawn]

Remove 2h spec

Thanks

[young swan]

arms isnt real anyways

[tidal kindle]

https://tenor.com/bt8G2.gif

[young swan]

spitting

[edgy widget]

Intervene isn't too hard to get to this expansion, but it is harder this particular tier because of Crushing Force

[young swan]

CF is a cringe node

needs to get nuked

[jade cipher]

i hate Crushing force

[edgy widget]

CF is actually a really strong node, it's just that Slam is so impotent

[jade cipher]

most of the times i cant run it pugs because i play both stormbolt and fear

[hasty path]

Also intervene being a useless button

[young swan]

oh its good! thats why its bad

[edgy widget]

like if CF applied to Bloodthirst, it'd be insanely powerful

[tidal kindle]

Safeguard/overwatch.... miss them

[hasty path]

Something something PvP I’m sure

[edgy widget]

but I agree - 2 point investment to boost an ability that's only 3% of your damage is laughable

[tidal kindle]

[jade cipher]

also while we are at it

fuck our fear

5 target random ass shit

[edgy widget]

I don't think Berserker Rage baseline would hurt PvP all that much tbh

[young swan]

not a fan of barb training or side arm for that matter

[jade cipher]

BUdget blinding light

[hasty path]

I wouldn’t know but that seems like the excuse they’d make

[edgy widget]

Sidearm is actually a good talent

I panned it a lot during alpha, but it's actually p good now

[young swan]

it is, it just completely makes you forget about conc blows

which imo, is a massive miss

[edgy widget]

Barbaric Training is after thought for Fury, mainly for Arms

[jade cipher]

i think consiering pvp in pve balances hurt the spec a lot

[hasty path]

It hurts the game a lot

[edgy widget]

Cause Conc Blows is kinda ass now - if it worked like it used to and increased all damage, it'd be great

[young swan]

how did it used to work?

[edgy widget]

it used to increase all damage

[young swan]

oh yeah

[edgy widget]

by used to, I'm talking about the WoD version

[young swan]

that would be much better

[hasty path]

Also I don’t have the tree on hand is CF the 60% slam/shield slam 2 pt node

[young swan]

yeah

[wanton mirage]

Berserker shout should at least work with Afflicted. Would be preferable to get that affixe removed though.

[edgy widget]

but the way it works now, you need both an interruptable boss that frequently casts and you need to be able to snipe the interrupt which just isn't common enough to ever take the talent

[jade cipher]

15% crit chance also

[edgy widget]

Berserker Shout just needs to go away or its functionality needs to be greatly expanded

[hasty path]

Ya it’s a super good node for prot but should probably not buff slam for the Dps specs

[edgy widget]

it was a neat idea, but it's garbo

[young swan]

the fact it forces you to use shout after the fear like its a tremor totem is so bad

[edgy widget]

yep

[young swan]

should just be party wide immunity

[edgy widget]

and it only works on fears, despite Rage working on incaps too

[young swan]

even then its probably underpowered

[edgy widget]

yep

and expensive to path to

[young swan]

yeah its pretty brutal

[sudden tusk]

5 target capped fear

take it or leave it

[jade cipher]

5 target capped fear is so shit

i mostly use it as single target stop on main target

same way as stormbolt

[young swan]

still find it a bit curious that we basically have a 3 point node to get 10% of our armor as strength

[jade cipher]

archi i want to say something about your comment on talent tree

[edgy widget]

• Zerker Rage should be baseline
• P Howl should be where Rage is
• Shout should be gone or greatly improved
• Cac Roar needs bug fixes
• Intervene could maybe use a second node to apply Safeguard
• Thunder Clap baseline
• Crackling Thunder could be improved a bit (but it doens't need much if you don't also need to talent TClap first)
• Titanic Throw gone
• Bitter Immunity CD should be halved if it doesn't remove a disease/poison/curse
• CF should be 1 point, apply to more attacks, or just be removed
  Rearrange a few things to fit, and I think we'd be in a pretty solid place

[final birch]

I found it weird when they uncapped priests psychic scream, but not inti shout

[young swan]

add "revert seismic reverb to legion strength" and im on board

that talent is so worthless

[edgy widget]

That's more balancing than design, but yeah there are a few things that just need to be rebalanced

[young swan]

fair enough

[edgy widget]

Barbic and Seismic both are salvagable imo, but could use rebalancing

[jade cipher]

on my paladin, if i get my blinding light, remove curse. stun cd reduction. i literaly lose no damage. also all my off healing talents are in direct conflict with other ulitlity

[edgy widget]

I don't think there's anything wrong with direct damage increasing talents, as long as they actually feel impactful

[jade cipher]

but onmy warrior everywhere i go it feels like i'm losing dps

[edgy widget]

the problem is several of ours are very very minor, and then a few are inexplicably huge

[young swan]

still not a fan of receiving aura tuning via talent node in the class tree

5% dam for equipping a 2h weapon is silly

[gilded pawn]

But that gives us SCALING

[edgy widget]

what damage are you losing by taking Wrecking Throw? lol

[gilded pawn]

(Ignore the fact that we gain less from main stat as a result)

[edgy widget]

gaining str from armor has been a thing since like Wrath - it's just a more flavorful way of boosting damage beyond all the other basic talents

[jade cipher]

i like CF when i dont play dancing blades because i find myself using slam a lot more than when i use dancing blades

[edgy widget]

Dancing Blades shouldn't have much of any impact on your DB use

[jade cipher]

and getting CF is a challenge

[young swan]

i dont disagree, it just feels like a 3 point node when i feel like it could be consolidated

[edgy widget]

also the only time you don't use DB is in heavy AoE, and in those cases you tend to use slam less and whirlwind more

[edgy widget]

Yeah that's probably true, but considering they have direct pathing, as long as it all adds up to a balanced gain per point, I don't think it really matters that much

[sudden tusk]

fury needs deathwish again

[edgy widget]

like you're not going out of your way for those things; it's a straight line down to avatar

[jade cipher]

CUrrently the only dungeon i dont play dancing blades is EB

[sudden tusk]

kill ourselfs for DPS and heal back up with bloodthirst

[wanton mirage]

a fan of MOP style talent system.

[sudden tusk]

make it like surrender to madness but the bleed keeps ramping until we are almost dead then we need to BT back to full

[young swan]

as toxic as it would make prog, it would be kinda fun as hell

[jade cipher]

can you enlighten me a bit about slaughtering strikes, how much increase is it in aoe really

[sudden tusk]

healer issue

[vague star]

Wasn't odyns fury fire damage in Legion why did they change it lol

[jade cipher]

because people tend to run it with titanic rage, and then there is dancing blde and bloodcraze

[edgy widget]

over Bloodcraze? not very much

but you can sim it easily enough

[young swan]

fire damage doesnt make sense in the warrior kit if we dont have the warswords anymore

[edgy widget]

Bloodcraze is a lil more ST focused, Slaughtering a little more MT focused, but overall a very minor optimization

I don't even bother changing it

[vague star]

Then they should rename it like they did with spear imo lol

[jade cipher]

but in my playstyle i feel not having the bloodcraze tho

[edgy widget]

Yeah they changed it just to keep more consistency with Warriors as a physical class; that kinda thing gets tuned out so it doesn't really matter

[jade cipher]

on how many times i press bloodthirst and it doesnt reduce oF cd

pretty noticeable

[edgy widget]

Bloodcraze does basically nothing in MT, so I highly doubt you feel it in M+

as I said, the difference is very minor; take whatever you want

[vague star]

The fire damage thing is noticable to me bc I play nightborne

[edgy widget]

lmao yeah right

[vague star]

My 1% magic DPS racial

[young swan]

prob just shouldnt play nightbourne...

[edgy widget]

yeah that 1% damage increase to 5% of your damage really matters!

[vague star]

[edgy widget]

definitely noticeable 🙃

[vague star]

Haters

[edgy widget]

NB racial is stupid though, I agree

[vague star]

[edgy widget]

at least you'll get those HUGE mountain thane thunder blasts in TWW though!

[vague star]

Wait TRUE

Invest in nightborne now

[sudden tusk]

i wonder if they are gonna nerf nelf racial somehow

shits cracked

[hasty path]

Considering it’s been like this for 2 xpac straight

Doubt it

[cold jolt]

I need to swap from orc

[vague star]

I actually play panda I was just larping

[dapper goblet]

[vague star]

And I play arms i don't even know why I'm here

[cold jolt]

When are they going to make all races one faction

[dapper goblet]

hopefully never

but also factions dont matter anymore

[young swan]

i didnt even realize it wasnt coming until friday....

my day is ruined.....

[clever belfry]

yeah i dont want stinky vulpera on my good faction

[dire badge]

[warm crag]

her

[clever belfry]

her

[dapper goblet]

post it

i know u want to

[clever belfry]

yes

[fickle bluff]

her

[narrow narwhal]

Banezi anime flower

[covert blaze]

banezi random pfp generator

[tardy lark]

Anda cat ears

[oblique raft]

yooo where is the wish list for warrior for the next expan?

[young swan]

not yet

i dont believe

[clever belfry]

meow

[hallow sphinx]

Meow

[cold jolt]

her

[solemn plover]

her

[fleet sorrel]

[cold jolt]

i wonbt be clearing heroic this week

joever

cant get into an 18 atal either also joever

[hallow sphinx]

[cold jolt]

im going to run it down the 407

fr fr on god

[clever belfry]

for every 200 rage you spend you gain 5% size (stacking, up to 20 times)

slayer capstone

(leak)

[junior gale]

Dick size included aswell?

[quiet geyser]

Rage = viagra

[cold jolt]

just failed an 18 eb bc the priest dps didnt think he had to dispell so the healer left

now i got a 17 eb

[hard relic]

is anyone else lagging the fuck out right now?

[covert blaze]

which region

[hard relic]

my whole guild is legit lagging

EU

well correction

only 17/20 are lagging the fuck out at the same moment

giga spikes

otherwise fine

[slim coral]

@vital jewel thanks for the vouch!

[fleet sorrel]

Huge guild grats on it

[restive peak]

Where'd you end up @slim coral

[dapper goblet]

baze is wackywavy v2

he'll be in liquid soon

[cold jolt]

im already in liquid lol

also, does heroic/ mythic raid gear havet he same thing as M+ flightstoen upgrades

[oblique trail]

how did you know!

[covert blaze]

[slim coral]

https://tenor.com/view/classified-information-top-secret-following-information-authorization-needed-gif-17483825

[dire badge]

[slim coral]

Thanks king

[slim coral]

What the hell is wackywavy

[fleet sorrel]

World first raider

gamer

[slim coral]

Oh didn’t know all the names

[fleet sorrel]

Yeah Xeos is saying you’re climbing

[left perch]

Bazed?

[covert blaze]

@slim coral if you change servers make sure to not use a special character next time

[sudden tusk]

almost done with the HS event

[slim coral]

?

Too late for all that bud

[covert blaze]

[slim coral]

Should of just gone Baze

[covert blaze]

special characters are omega cringe

[slim coral]

Btw whoever is sitting on baze for illidan fuck that guy

I tried for so many years

The character doesn’t even exist

So it’s just a level 1 useless alt

[covert blaze]

It was me all along

Just to spite you

[fleet sorrel]

yeah guilds don’t like people who use characters with alt codes

Just a rule

[sudden tusk]

yeah my current guild doesnt and were just a 2 day

[covert blaze]

alt code = Dentge

[modest condor]

and then you have that guy in echo who just has character names with full alt codes

this one https://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/Ðöñtßåñmê

[oblique trail]

Perfecto moment

[oblique trail]

@clever belfry

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1061777871376490558.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[fleet sorrel]

@slim coral let’s see that new guild under that character name

[dire badge]

[cold jolt]

joever

[modest condor]

sounds critical

[cold jolt]

10.25.6

was a drean

dream

[clever path]

10.2.5.6.7.8 in bound

[cold jolt]

😭

[slim coral]

My relam transfer isn't finished so I can only give hints for now

[clever belfry]

:balls:

[modest condor]

joining noxiv?

[oblique trail]

ball

singular

[fleet sorrel]

@slim coral vodka??

[clever belfry]

🔮

[sullen dove]

balls

[celest anchor]

https://www.wowprogress.com/character/eu/tarren-mill/Øßææßlææðææø

[winter stump]

Hello, new to fury here. On AoE scenarios like on mythic plus and council boss, why does the wowhead mythic plus build takes Slaughtering Strikes instead of Bloodcraze? Council logs show 99% usage of the latter.

[sullen dove]

bloodcraze you always use in raid never swapping, its mostly in m+ it becomes not as important since youre very guaranteed to be fighting around 5 targets most of the time

and slaughtering strikes is the biggest dps increase on that target count, cuz idk extra 6-8% dmg on rampage or whatever hitting 5 targets isnt too shabby

but essentially yeah, raid fights where you have to fight big boss, even if theres lots of adds pmuch always run bloodcraze for single target benefit, SS m+

[winter stump]

I see, but i've checked noxiv's runs on brh and he runs bloodcraze, got me wondering

[sullen dove]

and the 5 target thing in m+ if any one of your cleaved bloodthirst/baths crits it gives cdr

yea i mean its possible he either forgot or deemed that that was more important, super super high keys players dont necessarily follow the same thing as the norm

maybe he normally and the rest of his group has enough aoe dmg to where SS isnt as noticeable, especially considering they're likely pulling more than 5 mobs at a time so its not as valuable, and the boss help is more important

but generally unless youre running top in the world keys SS would be better

[winter stump]

thanks for explaning! will keep talents as is then

[sullen dove]

[cold jolt]

ive been waiting ofr a dps and heals for like 30 mins for a rise 18

sorry tanka nd heals

[sudden tusk]

im on zuljin > : (

heckin guy on my server

[summer quail]

coming for your spot

[sudden tusk]

world 300 here you come

[cold jolt]

is

escanor a warrior

or would he be a paladin

[covert blaze]

balls

[oblique trail]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1061777871376490558.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[storm rune]

Escanor has the power of an angel, I feel like that aligns him more with a paladin. Not to mention how prideful and arrogant he is, fits the role pretty well

[slim coral]

Escanor uses the power of the sun

so he would be a paladin

[covert blaze]

escanor is a moonkin

[flat river]

Also he has a 2 hander axe that is light themed

[keen kindle]

No

Give us a god damn sword

[cold jolt]

escanor also for a brief moment is the strongest being on earth

[dense elbow]

Escanor is very likely a servant of Zo'vald, his power that of subjugated Na'ruu. As he is extremely arrogant... he a dread lord

[candid falcon]

Escanor is a paladin because he's based on the Knight of the Round Table, Gawain

[cold jolt]

It’d be really cool to have a lege for every class every raid

Could just make it generic too

Like a two handed str etc one handed agility

[hasty path]

Maybe make it like

You can craft them

And you choose what your legendary does

But also you get a second legendary that changes based on your hero talents

I think that sounds cool

Maybe to get the currency for it they could add a repeatable game mode

For war within you know it’s underground so maybe like a mining delve

And there’s different floors and you get different power ups from mobs

But after the run it goes away

I think that sounds cool what do you guys think chat

[young swan]

perish

[hasty path]

What it sounds cool I think

Could have a daily area with a similar theme

Maybe you capture the souls of trapped miners!

[young swan]

perish

[hasty path]

But you can’t mount because it’s a really small cave without much headroom

Yeah I think that sounds cool

[cold jolt]

I like daily’s

:3

[hasty path]

Your mom likes when I bang her daily

[covert blaze]

[cold jolt]

she does when i do it too

likes

[half cargo]

[modest condor]

^

[cold jolt]

im normal

[cold jolt]

fr fr

[young swan]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-around-spin-low-tier-god-banned-meme-gif-5036928470605203424

[cold jolt]

bruh i just got a 2nd egg

vs anything else

[fleet sorrel]

[umbral galleon]

a warrior that wields the power of the sun itself, not a god

[cold jolt]

Well why don’t you fight him then

😠

[umbral galleon]

gotta w8 till midnight

[cold jolt]

No that’s cheating

[storm rune]

Reverse enrage boss fight, might be fun

Everyone on their toes for the first minute trying to survive

[cold jolt]

Wat

[dapper goblet]

so sark

[umbral galleon]

i've already cheated once, don't mind doing it twice

[summer quail]

that's been several of the end bosses this expansion. p1 most deadly phase

[half cargo]

Sarkareth

Holy shit that first night was a reality check for healers

Tindral as well for different reasons

Raszageth p1 wasn’t so bad compared to those imo

Granted I only played the nerfed winds version

[summer quail]

was about to say, it wasn't by the time majority got to it(including me)

[left perch]

Ras was insane to be killed before nerfs

[cold jolt]

i killed it b4 nerfs

skill issue

[left perch]

echo warrior detected

[cold jolt]

to clarify i am kidding

90% of what i type i am kidding

[left perch]

no you aren’t

it’s real

I saw your log

[summer quail]

literally revvez

[cold jolt]

i dont want someone to call me a liar and say i lie all the time

its joever

im canceled

[left perch]

Revvez alt account

[cold jolt]

im his undercover boss account

"world first warrior goes and sees what its like to raid with absolute humans"

[left perch]

[cold jolt]

i got 120 aspects

that shell is cringe

but noone accepts me into 18 atals

[summer quail]

you don't want atals for trinket anyway(for m+)

you want throne

[cold jolt]

damn really

might and what

my guilds on mythic fyrak rn

and theyve stopped doing heroic

[summer quail]

might is good, the vers stat stick from brh is good

[half cargo]

Augury/ember/pip for the second one

[cold jolt]

ya im not getting into a pug heroic

[summer quail]

ye preferably augury, but that's raid so can't farm that

[summer quail]

if i were you i would spam thrones for might and a weapon. plus crab is better than egg if you get that

[storm rune]

Yeah honestly no shot at getting in to a pug unless it's fresh with that ilvl, especially due to the several hundred ilvl 488 paladins that want to join every week

[half cargo]

Crab and butcher block probably decent placeholders too for the second slot until you get one of the proper ones

[cold jolt]

i can try to get into throne but

its rough out here

ive mostly ran my own key

[half cargo]

Ah, mutou mentioned crab already

[cold jolt]

ill see what i can do ig

its been rough

[half cargo]

Hourglass could also be a placeholder

But yeah, you really ought to just spam throne

Everything you need is there

[cold jolt]

alright ty ty

ill uh

ill see if i canm get into one

18+ right?

[storm rune]

for vault yeah, but 17 minimum for hero tier gear

[cold jolt]

ty ty

i got all 18s and a 20 for vault this week

so i can do 17s now ig

[storm rune]

yep, plus way less competition in 17s

[cold jolt]

yeah just got declined to 8 of them in arow

sheesh

[half cargo]

Hit up your guildees on their alts

Pugging is honestly a terrible and inefficient way to do it

[cold jolt]

tried

also why is this ping

pink

wait so my score back then is equal to like 3475 now?

no way right

i jsut did keys with my guild

back then in s1

[half cargo]

Prio the waycrest and brh

Should give you a bunch of score and make it easier to pug

[cold jolt]

im honestly about to sleep

i hurt my shoulder

i had an autism attack n ocap

got excited watching solo leveling with my gf

and pulled my shoudler

i also dont even think i could get into a brh or wm rn

[nova garnet]

@wild mural gimme kissu

[cold jolt]

yuzu hwo is dfo

[nova garnet]

I don't play anymore

[cold jolt]

ya me either

[nova garnet]

Swamp ass community

[cold jolt]

community was a bit odd yeah

[nova garnet]

Kinda stopped gaming, only really play switch games now

[cold jolt]

yo lets gooo

proud of u

[nova garnet]

How's Giana

[cold jolt]

good

she fell asleep

im prob gonna go to bed too

[nova garnet]

Sweet dreams fam

[cold jolt]

i wanted to fix my brh and wm

but with my gear its doomed

noone will invite

gunna have to self push my own key until next week

[nova garnet]

I got spent after doing a bunch of 20s, didn't have drive to push

[cold jolt]

i got a trial for a guild on fyrak

so i mgearing for that

[nova garnet]

You a warrior brain now

Or you still playing hunter

[cold jolt]

yeah never wouldve thoguht

yeah war

i mlikjing it more tho

[nova garnet]

Warrior is poggy

[cold jolt]

than hunter

but i did play hunter for 5 years

melee is a lot easier than i tohught

unironically playing maplestory at the higher levels ( all bosses) improved my ability to see shit on the floor

my biggest issue was things at my feet near boss but thats easy now

thanks to maple story

and i wish i was memeing

wantedf to play ret but i like warrior too

[nova garnet]

Ret is fun, but the community malds

If you end up in ret discord

Tell broxigar yuzu says hi

[cold jolt]

i quit maplestory a week or so ago, i had some insane shit happen where 2 of my friends skipped around 2-3 years of gear prog bc they got insanely lucky

and i ahd around 15 times their funds and got absoltuely slammed

so im like alright man

im out

even dfo wouldnt of been that bad

i mean i also just like strong easy clsses

evoker, boomkin, warrio,r pally,

hunter

[nova garnet]

Bm hunter was kinda fun tho ngl

[cold jolt]

yeah it slaps rn too

[final birch]

its different for past seasons

for some reason

[cold jolt]

i mean im 95% sure i wasnt that high equiv

[final birch]

my evokers s2 3k is bright orange

right now

[final birch]

brighter than my current mains score

[cold jolt]

its a hunter so maybe its diff

but i dobut it

[final birch]

no

its just how it is

for past seasons

for whatever reason

[cold jolt]

ah ok

so pink isnt actuyaklly

3475, its just diff each season

if that is true, that's really stupid

like the only reason ud do that is to cause confusion, albeit it doesnt really matetr at all

just the literal only thing ud do for swapping each season is cause more confusion trhan if u left it

[final birch]

its not that it's just how it shows for past seasons

[cold jolt]

oh ok

fair

ya i tried to get into a bunch of wm/brh and noones accpeting its joever

[warm rain]

quick question, i've been using howling for a while now, are most wars using hissing runes?

[cold jolt]

would prob sim it

but i was recomended to go hissing

but it prob varies so id jsut sim it

[warm rain]

ok will do, thanks Bomani

[cold jolt]

np

[warm rain]

yeah looking like hissing is performing slightly higher

[naive summit]

my bis geared fury warrior does 530k dps sustained(5+m) on the 6 target dummies. my rogue does 620k dps and scales up to 8 targets make it make sense

[young swan]

yep

[cold jolt]

reroll to a m+ class

:3

[young swan]

or just wait until s4

[cold jolt]

fr fr

[naive summit]

yo wait

are u saying we are cooking in s4?

[cold jolt]

i mean i come from a game that would take 4000 hours to reroll

[young swan]

i think we will

[naive summit]

was actually about to unsub

[cold jolt]

so im moreso happy

but i do feel for ppl that want to main M+

[young swan]

i dont know that we will but based on my feelycraft I think we're gonna be pretty good

at least in m+

[cold jolt]

i am a raider mainly

but it does suck when ur class is cheeks in m+

[naive summit]

eh we are guaranteed raid spot so if we are good in m+ best of both worlds

[cold jolt]

yeah

thats my mentality, but i am sympasizing or w.e u say it for ppl that dont raid

bc it would feel bad

[naive summit]

rn it just feels so bad

like

i dont even want to log

i just raid log

[cold jolt]

i got a raid spot fairly quickly , or atleast a trial

im currently gear ing and it is

DOG SHIT

[naive summit]

my rogue is almost more io than my war and i cant find it within myself to pass mywar

[cold jolt]

like..

rogue isnt even a meta m+ is it?

[naive summit]

its not super meta

but its really good

[cold jolt]

yeah

my advice is if someone wants to push io

just make a meta class

[naive summit]

yea actually

[cold jolt]

its so muc heasier than being upset, it does suck u gotta reroll

but it will take 3 days max

[naive summit]

game is so horrendously balanced

[cold jolt]

bro in maplerstory

i spent 4000 hours

to do less dmg than a dude who spent 1000

by 60%

i do literally 40% of his dmg bc of his class

im not joking

[naive summit]

lmaooo

[cold jolt]

i wish i was joking

and u cant even reroll at my point, u gotta spend 4000 hours again

releveling, 2% every 6 hours

[naive summit]

ah i see

[cold jolt]

and u need 280

[naive summit]

that seems so aids lmaooo

[cold jolt]

it is

so im generally happy it takes maybe a week to catch up in wow

and i can raid which i love

im in for trial on reclear

guilds on m fyrak

[naive summit]

thats fire

progging on m fyrakk rn

hopefully we get it next week

[fleet sorrel]

[slim coral]

gn warriors I hope you all have a great slumber

[cold jolt]

thanks bro metoo

im the warriior chieftain'

im also mentally a warrior

[cold jolt]

What anime character would be a warrior

Would that blind guy from hells paradise be one

Honestly it’s probably Kenosha

Kenpachi

[young swan]

erza

right @hallow sphinx

[cold jolt]

Hoenstly

true

I should watch that anime again

I got to around the

Island sec

Arc

[ruby eagle]

morel mackernasey