well i think its about equal with the normal build before execute, then it gets beat out in execute
#fury
compact knot
dire vigil
ahh, ok
compact knot
i recommend not using it if your smart
flat river
compact knot
bro idk
it kinda fucking cranks if you dont have anyone else to do damage to roots
like
13 seconds for 24m damage
fair oasis
potion has absolutely no effect of fyralath active dam right?
compact knot
no
main stat potion it does not
for potions like crit/vers/elemental whatever the thingmagbobby is called all can effect the damage though
eternal sundial
it kinda fucking cranks if you dont have anyone else to do damage to roots
So it's good if everyone is bad
Or if you play ZERO dhs/wls
eternal sundial
OF alone is all u need
compact knot
we have been fucked with recruiting
you can OF every root cast with these talents too
OF/Avatar
eternal sundial
Ur overkilling pad
compact knot
i mean
eternal sundial
When ur trying to reduce boss HP to zero not increase parse to 100
fair oasis
so it looks like the only amount of micro managing i need to do for fyralath active is make sure im enraged for the 15% haste?
compact knot
so it looks like the only amount of micro managing i need to do for fyralath act...
yes
fair oasis
in ST
compact knot
yes
eternal sundial
So just ramp BB lego
compact knot
When ur trying to reduce boss HP to zero not increase parse to 100
we just dont have the right comp
fair oasis
why BB before lego?
compact knot
you can just ramp lego
eternal sundial
Youll get it enraged either way
compact knot
it doesnt really matter
eternal sundial
But i prefer having it on cd
compact knot
two ench shammys (the worst spec for tindral), only 1 lock/dh/augvoker
our comp just isnt that good for root killing
eternal sundial
You have a 2nd fury warrior in the log you linked
compact knot
i was on my resto druid for 1/4th of prog (so far), we kept dying to the second casts of roots cause we got stuck in for too long
it just wasnt dying fast enough
eternal sundial
Do you just have a bunch of non breakables and not enough freedoms then
compact knot
i think we have enough for everyone
the problem was the rot damage the trees give the raid, then the trees just didnt die
and people not getting out of the roots too
eternal sundial
Alright i understand ur issue now
compact knot
comp issue
eternal sundial
You have 5 turbo aoe specs so if you get someone on a 6th it might be okay
compact knot
the 2 ench shammys are a problem too
i think one of the shammys is going war/ret
not sure
im almost doing 3x their overall dmg
eternal sundial
Not the 2 rogues not being sub 
compact knot
yeah
the outlaw will probably be sub, the assa rogue only one tricks
the assa rogue is fucking the boss though so i could care less
eternal sundial
Sounds like you got a bunch of fixes coming up
compact knot
yeah
eternal sundial
Try it with a normal build then and see if you need ravager
compact knot
this boss should be dead anyways,
roster issues been quite the bitch though on smolderon (we didnt raid 4 weeks in a row)
cold jolt
for odyn
eternal sundial
roster issues been quite the bitch though on smolderon (we didnt raid 4 weeks in...
Roster boss with fated announced hits double hard
upbeat sentinel
Roster boss with fated announced hits double hard
Is it announced?
meager gyro
covert blaze
Is it announced?
It's a joke
edgy widget
Fated raids were announced like four months ago
no specific date has been given yet though
red berry
i hope we get the tier changes soon
proud crown
fated eternal palace? 
upbeat sentinel
And that murders motivation to raid
A next tier existing kills motivation to raid?
edgy widget
Fated won't be as bad this time as it was last
south kayak
What makes it not as bad
empty wraith
i would love to see blizz revamp a old raid for fated. Would be cool to have your 3 newest raids + 1 old like ICC for example, with fated affixes and maybe some new stuff/mechanics
south kayak
I prefer all of them to be old raids but that's probably a lot more work than just reusing the last 3 raids
teal coral
i just hope i get to upgrade my leggo somehow
empty wraith
yeah the porblem is that fated feels like a bad recycle of raids. Idea is good and got lots of potential but most devs just work on next addon unfortunately.
empty wraith
i just hope i get to upgrade my leggo somehow
i am pretty sure you can farm a upgrade item from fated fyrakk like hunters did in fated SL on sylvanas to upgrade their bow on nhc/hc/mythic ilvl
teal coral
was that rng?
empty wraith
not sure but it was personal loot anyways back then, so no idea if you just get that thing in your bags nowadays, like we did with fyralath
empty wraith
don’t think its gonna be 14 weeks, according to hunters on wowhead, upgrade dropped after 7-8 ids usually if you were unlucky.
calm mantle
Someone told me there is a vendor in mist of pandera to reset cooldown for lego quest
anyone know where?
tardy lark
Temple of the White Tiger
calm mantle
Isn't that proving grounds through garrison? or are they two different things?
oblique trail
It's the same proving grounds
Going there through the garrison or at the temple doesn't matter
empty wraith
anyone know where?
you can also take og portal to wotlk dalaran and talk to warrior trainer there or garrison
fair oasis
Having a hard time finding an answer to precisely how Augury trinket functions. proc with 20sec window that makes your crits do an additional amount of fire dmg and that additional fire dam has a cap.
The part that is throwing me off is the final sentence. "The flame may deal 192,980 total damage before fading, further increased by critical strikes.
Does that mean that critical strikes during the 20sec window not only contribute fire damage but the fire damage cap of 192,980 is ALSO increased by your crits?
and if it does increase the cap, jsut how much can u juice this thing.
calm mantle
you can also take og portal to wotlk dalaran and talk to warrior trainer there o...
the portal in the magic tower at stormwind?
oblique trail
I've seen the tooltip go from 190k to 370k~, so I assume if the attack that procs it crits, it basically doubles the threshold that Augury amplifies
empty wraith
the portal in the magic tower at stormwind?
yeah that on go to wotlk dala, talk to warrior trainer there and you are in proving grounds
oblique trail
But I don't know, it's not something to think about
You don't play around Augury at all
proud crown
I'd guess the proc itself can crit
empty wraith
what set did we furys vote on for s4? aberrus set?
empty wraith
thank god i really don’t like the s3 set playstyle
rigid kestrel
For m+ embe, allied wristguards + lariat or is allied wrists + haste legs better?
timid forge
depends on how many gems u have to pump into the neck. ive been running neck wrist but i think im gonna recraft the legs and give it a whirl. i think i saw Bizz was running that setup some recently
rigid kestrel
how often is slam used in our rotation?
tardy lark
how often is slam used in our rotation?
whenever you cant press Bloodbath, Rampage or Execute
fair oasis
Should I try to manipulate my rage so that I can always have 3 Bloobaths after odyns fury rather than having like x2bloodbath x1 bloodthirst?
I feel like using up that amped BT/BB on a BT is pretty sad
eternal sundial
3 BB is better than 2 but sending bt is better than afking
clever belfry
thje the buttons shall be pressed
tardy lark
:3
clever belfry
mraow
shy knot
Just press BT everytime it lights up kek
tardy lark
moewdy
shy knot
Unless you can make it BB beforehand
errant vessel
Should I try to manipulate my rage so that I can always have 3 Bloobaths after o...
That's what I do
I also wait a global if I know I'm getting autos through and getting enough rage for Rampage (given Slam/Whirlwind is on cd) but donno if that's optimal
think it depends if you're gonna mess up your rage regen after the BB
frail cave
since i have 7 gems in my gear currently would lariat be worth the craft?
oblique trail
You can sim yourself in Top Gear and see how far apart Lariat is compared to Shadowflame. Haven't checked personally, but it shouldn't be too far behind Shadowflame in pure ST, and be better in AoE
frail cave
i didnt think you couldnt sim crafted gear if you didnt have the gear crafted in your bags
oblique trail
You can, at the top of top gear there's a search bar where you can add any item into your top gear selection
Both crafted and other items
barren dagger
I also wait a global if I know I'm getting autos through and getting enough rage...
Is this correct? Asking for myself as well because i always assume it’s better to BT if i mess up, rather than waiting for rampage and missing globals
eternal sundial
You can, at the top of top gear there's a search bar where you can add any item ...
Very goated new feature
mossy fox
You can, at the top of top gear there's a search bar where you can add any item ...
insane new feature wtf
yeah gear compare is dead
frail cave
oh damn thank you
MVP
oblique trail
It's been there for a week or so I think
mossy fox
raidbots kinda not been used much when im p much full bis
oblique trail
Not that useful for me end of season but in the future will save my mental
mossy fox
yeah will be sick in future
eternal sundial
raidbots kinda not been used much when im p much full bis
Now do the same thing for arms
(you will only need a cloak or some small shit like that)
oblique trail
Best I've gotten is 253k
oblique trail
Meanwhile my best Fury is like 246k
eternal sundial
On arm anyways
mossy fox
i drop some dps by not equipping sidegrades/very small upgrades in favour of terts
i guess
errant vessel
Is this correct? Asking for myself as well because i always assume it’s better t...
I think so, as long as you don't lose any further gcds on not having anything to press
empty wraith
how do we furys sim m+? dslice seems pretty wonky for a class that just presses 1 button to aoe all abilitys
oblique trail
I personally just sim Patchwerk 5 min 1 target
W/e sims best in ST is typically equally as good in M+
oblique trail
With the exception of crit getting a bit more value in AoE compared to ST
empty wraith
hmm good idea, i will probably sim with 30 sec, 1 min and 1:30 min 5 target patchwork sims later and see how that turns out
errant vessel
Isn't dslice decent for fury?
empty wraith
i mean you change 1 button in your rotation to aoe
so not sure what dslice would do better then 5 target 1 min
errant vessel
so not sure what dslice would do better then 5 target 1 min
dslice accounts for downtime
mossy fox
this is mine, last week sim tho, got more offpieces without terts to play with now
errant vessel
not perfect tool though
eternal sundial
this is mine, last week sim tho, got more offpieces without terts to play with n...
Still weird - has to be the race
errant vessel
which favors on use effects
eternal sundial
And pip vs rezan
empty wraith
dslice accounts for downtime
yeah but downtime varies alot in different keys so dungeonroutes sim is probably better, will test it out later
errant vessel
yeah but downtime varies alot in different keys so dungeonroutes sim is probably...
oh ye for sure
it's the lazy mans approach to sim dungeons
mossy fox
Still weird - has to be the race
idk if ppaww apl is same as default now
fleet sorrel
clever path
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kPzydtH2M7SBTKXYLh7dvb
psst
frosted armor kit for 200 dps
eternal sundial
idk if ppaww apl is same as default now
It is iirc
I cba replace it tho
Nvm i didnt click it
Wtf
shy knot
Why not use bis race ? 
bitter palm
idk if ppaww apl is same as default now
not really
shy knot
Im guessing NE is nice for m+ cheesing
bitter palm
there are some changes
weird that u are only 1k ahead of me with 489 pips and signet
frail cave
damn if i could get my hands on a heroic augry it sims to almost 2k more dps
clever belfry
augury pretty good yepyep
high basin
damn if i could get my hands on a heroic augry it sims to almost 2k more dps
prob even more than that if you get lucky with procs
languid mural
Yo!
Do we have a bislist somewhere on this DC? I'm checking regularly the top fury warrior builds and worked toward it with slight changes to my taste, but a couple days ago I've seen totally different gear setups for all the top warriors on murlok io and am kinda confused
radiant plank
sim topgear
hasty path
Do we have a bislist somewhere on this DC? I'm checking regularly the top fury w...
Bis lists are an outdated concept
As said before, sim top gear
Sim droptimizer each time you replace a piece if you want
eternal sundial
Bis is 496 augury so once u get that u can take it from there
languid mural
I'm new to retail ~1.5 months, was playing classic, there the bis list stood its place. I'm not familiar with simming. Each time an item drops I should sim my char, but what about variations? YOu go through all different combinations of ur obtained items?
eternal sundial
Yea basically you determine the best combo of currently avalible items
languid mural
I'm doing mostly keys, just reached the 22-23 range and at this point it has to be accurate I guess
languid mural
its raidbots com aye?
eternal sundial
Ye
languid mural
Thanks, going to check
eternal sundial
Does odyns get sent on cd orb
Yea on CD when enraged
hasty path
I'm new to retail ~1.5 months, was playing classic, there the bis list stood it...
Yeah that’s a classic thing
rigid kestrel
Yea on CD when enraged
thanks
stuck oar
we can't do anything about afflicted correct?
stuck oar
just want to be sure i feel useless af this week and having it go off 20+ times during a run sucks
stuck oar
yeah i invited a monk to my run hoping he'd take care of it, wasn't even talented into detox. I wish blizzard wouldn't add these class gatekeeping affixes into the dungeons
calm mantle
So do i have to do gnarlroot for tether on a lockout i havent got loot on it
tried killing it a second time nad tether didnt work
eternal sundial
So do i have to do gnarlroot for tether on a lockout i havent got loot on it
Nah
Just pre combat
calm mantle
I tethered, killed on normal and got no mark off for quest.
stuck oar
i was luckily able to do it mid combat once cause i forgot and spam the living hell out of the tether button
calm mantle
I forgot to tether first kill, came back different group did it but didnt work
barren dagger
yeah i invited a monk to my run hoping he'd take care of it, wasn't even talente...
Adding an affix some classes can’t even interact with. Surely this won’t affect the LFG experience
Idiots
stuck oar
^^^
restive peak
I forgot to tether first kill, came back different group did it but didnt work
Bugs sometimes sadly homie
restive peak
Facts excuse my blasphemous comments towards our lords n saviors blizz D:
nocturne dragon
augury pretty good yepyep
speaking of augury uh... how do we know the class is "good" with augury?
restive peak
Sims tell us and game shows us
nocturne dragon
without using sim of course I mean... like when you see the playstyle or kit
restive peak
We rely on sims to know so we don't look at it that way
We typically have sims from PTR before it would matter
clever belfry
speaking of augury uh... how do we know the class is "good" with augury?
Thats a pretty rough question
some stuff is kinda obvious, like might being pretty good for fury
Other stuff u just kinda sit on dummy/in keys for hours/days on ptr
but yes, sims are being actively developed the second ptr drops usually
outer umbra
Adding an affix some classes can’t even interact with. Surely this won’t affect ...
Whenever I’m doing keys on my alt I feel bad for the warriors signing up. But being a certified Warbro I feel obligated to invite them every now and then during afflicted I know the struggle
eternal sundial
Facts excuse my blasphemous comments towards our lords n saviors blizz D:
Thats why you got it late
Hater
restive peak
Thats why you got it late
Valid 😦
nocturne dragon
Thats a pretty rough question
some stuff is kinda obvious, like might being pret...
I see..
Well I mean this is just my opinion but I think we a bit too overreliant on sims?
I can see where "Oh I need to compare this item and that item because look similar." but I think for which class good with what trinket don't you think we can just look at the kit in game and then "Oh this class will be good with X Trinket."
clever belfry
I see..
Well I mean this is just my opinion but I think we a bit too overreliant...
I mean with how modern trinkets are worded / designed you need to do extensive testing to even figure out how well they perform
take signet brand, probably a bit rough to evaluste by just looking at the text
all u could gather is "hmm if tuned correctly itll be good in longs fights" that is IT
But classes with big cds (udk for example) its easy to see 3min on use stat trinkets being good for them (mirror)
eternal sundial
Anvil was a good example
Hm this could be good if it procs
But the actual stuff that procced turbo giga inflated it's value for some
eternal sundial
I mean with how modern trinkets are worded / designed you need to do extensive t...
Snake Moment
clever belfry
Ssss snek
eternal sundial
BIS pre augury buff
covert blaze
fleet sorrel
dire badge
rigid kestrel
anyone got a good tracker for whirlwind stacks?
graceful drift
luxthos pack 🙂
jovial coral
@golden hare
golden hare
@jovial coral
golden hare
yeah i did not get a big red number on my screen
rigid kestrel
luxthos pack 🙂
ill check it 😄 I got one pack i like but i just need a WW tracker but thanks
golden hare
cry about it?
marble stratus
@rigid kestrel https://wago.io/1ttKOBI1m
eternal sundial
@errant vessel i think this is ur guild 
rosterbossed?
covert blaze
💀
cold jolt
Give him a chance fr
stuck oar
join for free mythic fyraak kill
warm folio
does the download page for simulationcraft work for you guys?
covert blaze
Bro has no helm
radiant swan
Showing off the face or smth
hasty path
Bro has no helm
Mogmaxxing to the next level
alpine steppe
Think a fundamental thing I'm not getting on Fury currently while watching Critcake is sometimes he holds Odyn's for up to five seconds and I just can't think of a reason.
Obviously not understanding something.
molten night
who's the tank?
summer quail
Think a fundamental thing I'm not getting on Fury currently while watching Critc...
In what context does he hold tho
M+? Specific raid boss? Hard to tell you why without knowing what you're watching
alpine steppe
Timstamped.
I dunno maybe it just doesn't matter, just trying to see if I'm missing something.
oblique trail
He basically uses it instantly there, refreshing WW before pressing OF meaning he spends more time pressing actually damaging buttons inside his small avatar window
eternal sundial
also to have dam for sacrifice soul
oblique trail
Otherwise you wouldn't hold it for any appreciable amount of time outside of that
alpine steppe
He basically uses it instantly there, refreshing WW before pressing OF meaning h...
That's the little optimization I was looking for thanks, just maximizing Avatar.
covert blaze
Think a fundamental thing I'm not getting on Fury currently while watching Critc...
Having a bb/ww ready probably
errant vessel
<@411623333835177996> i think this is ur guild <:critcake:984549832511344640> ro...
yup
we boosted a player with a death % of 76 through tindral who then got recruited for a HoF guild lmao
so we're down a player for fyrakk prog
covert blaze
Put me in, coach
errant vessel
what's your ingame char?
young swan
zhai is NA
errant vessel
He basically uses it instantly there, refreshing WW before pressing OF meaning h...
ye this + he prob wanted to have BB for it straight away
errant vessel
zhai is NA
rigid kestrel
signet brand for m+, worth anything or nah?
young swan
its really fucking good if you can keep the stacks up for the entire dungeon or at least most of the entire dungon
otherwise its pretty mid
clever path
its really good on spiteful weeks
young swan
^
nocturne dragon
Depend on the tank pull too, if the tank dare to chain pull then the brand will be gg.
But sometimes the stop is healer’s mana, if healer need break for mana recharge then bye2 brand’s stack.
candid falcon
what do we all think about blizzard saying Slayer will be execute focused
young swan
good if it actually makes warrior the execute class again
covert blaze
Depend on the tank pull too, if the tank dare to chain pull then the brand will ...
BRH door
candid falcon
it would be nice to be the execute class/spec again
oblique trail
BRH door <a:ragey:1198213371154153484>
Keep the spirit alive before the boss and stay in combat with it till the door opens
slim coral
what do we all think about blizzard saying Slayer will be execute focused
if they make it like herlad of the sun or templar it'll be banging
sometimes blizzard struggles with some themes though
candid falcon
since they've taken so long to make/reveal it, i have
but im not really sure what talents could fit an execute theme other than something really funny like, mass execute.
slim coral
that is my point blizzard struggles with some class fantasies more than other
candid falcon
if slayer is re introduced will they put the Condemn 100-80% execute range back in?
and also what is the fantasy of a "slayer" i guess
candid falcon
maybe similar to the War Machine talent where you get a little buff when you kill something?
slim coral
yeah but it would need to be massive
candid falcon
that could get really annoying too, if it's an offensive buff and not a defensive or utility buff
mass execute or increased cleave potential would be good
young swan
if slayer is re introduced will they put the Condemn 100-80% execute range back ...
i think condemn coming back is incredibly likely
candid falcon
🎊 hell yeah
slim coral
it needs to aoe
slim coral
and actually do aamge in execute
warriors are the og execute class
we should be cranking
candid falcon
i think condemn coming back is incredibly likely
unrelated but nice pfp
candid falcon
fate gang
covert blaze
weebs
young swan
so many cool characters
slim coral
hunter x hunter is better
modest condor
otherwise its pretty mid
not just mid it's giga trash if you cant keep up stacks
slim coral
will always be
modest condor
<1% of your damage
covert blaze
how is the south american population doing today..
bro?
candid falcon
what if execute literally just did this
young swan
what man
covert blaze
That's fucked up xan
young swan
toriyama died
covert blaze
Well aware
slim coral
what if execute literally just did this
I think everyone in here would riot
and Blizzard would face server outrage
slim coral
bro south america is not north america
south kayak
what if execute literally just did this
Mising
slim coral
idk what south america thinks
young swan
baze im canadian
gilded pawn
isnt goku like insanely popular in south america
its popular everywhere
slim coral
baze im canadian
yes we discussed this
south kayak
baze im canadian
That’s unfortunate
gilded pawn
the only people who dont like dbz is "real anime fans" (cringe weeaboos)
covert blaze
isnt goku like insanely popular in south america
Yes
young swan
its popular everywhere
i am aware dbz is popular everywhere
im referring to the fact that goku is basically jesus in SA
gilded pawn
that is true in latin americas yes
candid falcon
I wonder if they'll do something like "Your autoattacks have a chance to cast Execute"
candid falcon
auto or just attacks idk
gilded pawn
if slayer is re introduced will they put the Condemn 100-80% execute range back ...
that wont happen
young swan
I wonder if they'll do something like "Your autoattacks have a chance to cast Ex...
cause anni has been such a great success
gilded pawn
anytime you make execute more available, execute itself has to be weaker
dire badge
wait wtf we’re gaslighting xan? No one told me
gilded pawn
look at how dogshit hammer of wrath is
dire badge
candid falcon
wait wtf we’re gaslighting xan? No one told me
no we did
young swan
I'm so sorry
its okay
on the topic of slayer
i could see both s3 arms tier set or s1 fury tier set coming back
prob not both
silent burrow
I had macronalds today too
candid falcon
let me check s1 fury it was so forgettable i gen. dont remember
cold jolt
isnt fury pretty good in execute?
young swan
its just giga SD procs
silent burrow
The fat boy double mcchicken hack
young swan
isnt fury pretty good in execute?
yes but not because of the ability execute
young swan
its because of vicious contempt and BT
cold jolt
execute is just how much dmg u do in execute
young swan
no its pretty bad
young swan
individually the ability does okay damage
cold jolt
we just bvecome ret paladins
candid falcon
oh yeah its way more SD procs
cold jolt
thoughts?
young swan
eh
eternal sundial
also lets not forgot how bad condemn was
fuck condemn
slim coral
lets not praise it like it was good
craggy river
how much does fyralath currently cost, roughly?
candid falcon
condemn gave me a lot of healing i loved it
young swan
consider how good condemn would be for progging sark, raz, fyrakk
and then tell me it would be bad
oblique trail
how much does fyralath currently cost, roughly?
Probably roughly around 250-300k
young swan
to get it back
slim coral
consider how good condemn would be for progging sark, raz, fyrakk
I mean it really depends
eternal sundial
consider how good condemn would be for progging sark, raz, fyrakk
well for living itd be insane but its such an unhealthy ability
cold jolt
also ret is basically a ranged class
slim coral
condemn was very badly tuned
eternal sundial
just make ms heal u for 5% hp per press
cold jolt
they lost melee privledges
young swan
well for living itd be insane but its such an unhealthy ability
its just insane in general, for prog on all 3 of those fights p1 was important
oblique trail
Yet you still held damage on both Rasza and on Fyrakk
silent burrow
Oh hey I'm here for condemn talk
young swan
which is precisely where u gain damage with condemn
oblique trail
Because of timers
young swan
Yet you still held damage on both Rasza and on Fyrakk
yeah i mean late prog is late prog
oblique trail
So condemn does nothing
silent burrow
Yet you still held damage on both Rasza and on Fyrakk
after nerfs tho
slim coral
its just insane in general, for prog on all 3 of those fights p1 was important
even if that is true you probably would still pick the night fae ability like you did most fights in SL
theres a lot of ads
oblique trail
We held damage on Rasza early on 🤷♂️
marsh kiln
is the ouroboreal neck any good?
silent burrow
We sure didn't, not until they nerfed it
covert blaze
how is the south american population doing today..
@hard widget you doing ok?
silent burrow
condemn bis
eternal sundial
is the ouroboreal neck any good?
ye if it sims well
marsh kiln
candid falcon
I would actually really like it if Slayer gave you more Sudden Death, increased the cap on Sudden Death stacks, and maybe had the ability to spend all SD stacks when you hit execute like a flurry of executes?
young swan
its very mid
marsh kiln
its a downgrade
eternal sundial
condemn is mainly ew cuz of arms prepatch
marsh kiln
but is the defensive worth it
eternal sundial
I would actually really like it if Slayer gave you more Sudden Death, increased ...
boring
oblique trail
Idk I don't think Condemn, in the fights current state, would make a difference
marsh kiln
not too big of a loss in dps
oblique trail
Although I can't speak for Sark
eternal sundial
but is the defensive worth it
ur a fury warrior
gilded pawn
I would actually really like it if Slayer gave you more Sudden Death, increased ...
the problem with condemn is that, if its "decent" on fury, it would go crazy in arms
thats the problem
silent burrow
Think of how comfy condemn on sark would feel
gilded pawn
a tree has to be balanced around its strongest user
young swan
Idk I don't think Condemn, in the fights current state, would make a difference
i mean it really doesnt matter now cause execute value on farm is dogshit anywyas
silent burrow
just shielded all the time, vibing
candid falcon
the problem with condemn is that, if its "decent" on fury, it would go crazy in ...
tuning / spec differences in the hero talents
covert blaze
the problem with condemn is that, if its "decent" on fury, it would go crazy in ...
Good point
eternal sundial
a tree has to be balanced around its strongest user
balance tree moonkin
druid propaganda
oblique trail
i mean it really doesnt matter now cause execute value on farm is dogshit anywya...
I'm still progging Fyrakk god save me and Condemn would do nothing for me
young swan
I'm still progging Fyrakk god save me and Condemn would do nothing for me
late prog
boss has no hp
gilded pawn
and having more executes is not what you want on fury
young swan
people dps 📈
silent burrow
Condemn on halondrus was so comfy cause you were invincible p3 when everyone else was getting absolutely dump trucked
young swan
but also raz and sark are the really good ones
candid falcon
they'll probably have to buff baseline fury's execute in order to make slayer worth taking
young swan
cause p1 is the hardest part of the fight for both
heavy galleon
I'm hyped
gilded pawn
they'll probably have to buff baseline fury's execute in order to make slayer wo...
i dont know if theyll do that if they want arms execute to be their thing
covert blaze
Surely slayer isn't worse than mountain thane
No shot
cold jolt
i just want to be zoro from one piece
cold jolt
is that too much to ask for
marsh kiln
man, guess i take socket again
young swan
link page or its fake
its real
dire badge
this guy wants a sword in his butt
oblique trail
But considering how the prog has been this tier I think the majority are gonna be post nerfs xd
candid falcon
i dont know if theyll do that if they want arms execute to be their thing
then why would Slayer be a fury thing at all
cold jolt
fr i do
heavy galleon
hope we can spam exec as fury as MoP/WoD
young swan
doubt it
dire badge
5 sword style when please?????
young swan
would require a pretty large rework for fury to go back to having execute as a spender
candid falcon
link page or its fake
does linking a wowhead article immediately get me obliterated by a discord bot
gilded pawn
no
candid falcon
gilded pawn
because this discord is ran by wowhead
candid falcon
right at the bottom
gilded pawn
if anything they want you to link more
heavy galleon
or a playstyle without rampagne as MoP with CS 🤣
modest condor
bro that bluepost is 3 days old
gilded pawn
if you link enough you become a yellow name
covert blaze
bro that bluepost is 3 days old
Not everyone is here 24/7
gilded pawn
i thought you can move during fists?
modest condor
you dont have to be here to be up to date with important news
oblique trail
i thought you can move during fists?
They made another post regarding this
indigo quarry
i thought you can move during fists?
it was a talent in Legion iirc
silent burrow
You can, they changed that wording
oblique trail
And said it was a mistake
dire badge
3 days old falls within a single 24/7
covert blaze
"Important" is very relative lol
slim coral
holy shit
covert blaze
i thought you can move during fists?
You think the devs play the game?
cold jolt
would u guys still love me if i was a worm
slim coral
echo just pulled the etnire 2nd half of the dungeon
yall seeing this shit @young swan
young swan
ye
covert blaze
Wait is MDI rn
slim coral
yes
covert blaze
I forgor
candid falcon
i think it is yeah
dire badge
didn’t they do that last week?
young swan
i thought you can move during fists?
they clarified that FoF was a bad example
slim coral
was too busy napping
young swan
its not like FoF at all
dire badge
fair
dire badge
nap > MDI always
gilded pawn
i like how they say "think tacticially while using it" and then say "use it asap"
covert blaze
2 weeks ago
dire badge
2 weeks ago
real and true
slim coral
I usuually only watch finals
dire badge
time is all a blend to me the wage caged office worker
dire badge
same thing
slim coral
they just said echo has never done this
young swan
i hate u all
slim coral
on live
jovial coral
i hate u all
What why do you hate me
candid falcon
one of my friends just said to me "slayer will have a single target bladestorm where you spin vertically"
cold jolt
joever
candid falcon
one of my friends just said to me "slayer will have a single target bladestorm w...
he was memeing but it would be funny
young swan
What why do you hate me
ur trying to gaslight me
gilded pawn
anyone wanna talk about dbz
candid falcon
not really
young swan
really hoping the slayer tree doesnt have a bunch of synergy with SD
that would make me sad
just makes us more flatline damage than we already are
candid falcon
what if Rampage casts Execute
young swan
0 gain in execute phase
gilded pawn
i like how we just name random stuff that flatlines our damage
young swan
what if Rampage casts Execute
no ability casts other ability shit
that is bad
fundamentally bad
jovial coral
Yeah but what if we cast rampage and it does our whole rotation for us
candid falcon
i like how we just name random stuff that flatlines our damage
warriors are not known for their Intellect
gilded pawn
i think thats just you buddy
covert blaze
no ability casts other ability shit
What if SD casts thunder clap
young swan
where rampage just casts our aoe maintenance buff
candid falcon
what about bladestorm mortal strike
young swan
What if SD casts thunder clap
if ability casts maintenance buff its good
otherwise its bad
umbral galleon
do you want two shadowflame embelishments when u got leggo?
candid falcon
what about shadowlands signet :))
oblique trail
do you want two shadowflame embelishments when u got leggo?
Very strange thing to think about but no
umbral galleon
still vers wrist?
oblique trail
yes
candid falcon
vers wrist + shadowflame patch cloak?
oblique trail
sure
covert blaze
what about shadowlands signet :))
Cringe
candid falcon
hehe
covert blaze
What about sinful surge but no condemn
silent burrow
st cd's on aoe bad
Wellll kinda though right
Cause you could proc avatar and then bladestorm natty
and it was juiced
candid falcon
beta 9.1 Sinful Surge was an effect with some goddamn chest hair
young swan
i didnt play that xpac
silent burrow
Depends really
covert blaze
Cause you could proc avatar and then bladestorm natty
"could"
candid falcon
pretty sure you wanted two bladestorms for merciless bonegrinder damage
but if you only got one bladestorm it still hit pretty hard
silent burrow
Nah avatar proc went hard on anduin
silent burrow
I just mean in general there were situations where st proc was good
when doing aoe
was just an example of a situation where it banged
candid falcon
What about sinful surge but no condemn
they should bring back the version of Sinful Surge that acknowledged cleaved executes
full reck uptime in M+ is a distant dream but a man can hope
silent burrow
the ava proc on anduin first set of adds in intermission went ham cause they would die really quickly but you still got big bs and mbg value on the first set and you would spend less time spinning on first set so you would have the opportunity to spend enough rage to be able to use it again for second set
if you got double bs proc it would delay spending rage cause spinning
dire badge
loved Andy
silent burrow
same
gilded pawn
full reck uptime in M+ is a distant dream but a man can hope
full reck uptime existed in 10.1
mortal rock
what do we know about s4 fury warrior do they look bad decent or strong or is it to early to say ?
eternal sundial
Early
silent burrow
🔮
candid falcon
i dont think they've announced any information on what tierset we're getting other than the poll results (rigged btw)
mortal rock
what is main stats for fury warrior for s3 ?
indigo quarry
1 sec let me grab a screenshot
wrong answer
candid falcon
what is main stats for fury warrior for s3 ?
candid falcon
wrong answer
boo womp
gilded pawn
holy
mortal rock
so i want 20 % crit 20 % haste 30 % mastery 30 % versa ?
gilded pawn
we linking bloodmallet unironically now
young swan
so i want 20 % crit 20 % haste 30 % mastery 30 % versa ?
no
gilded pawn
you are right
candid falcon
if season 4 DF is anything like season 4 Shadowlands, we'll get an upgrade to the axe
mortal rock
i am confused
gilded pawn
warriors are not known for their intellect
candid falcon
oh i forgot to explain how to read it
indigo quarry
do the robot thing and sim your gear
dire badge
glueless
young swan
i am confused
generally speaking our stats are like vers>=mastery>haste>=crit
but just sim ur dude
mortal rock
generally speaking our stats are like vers>=mastery>haste>=crit
ok ty a lot
dire badge
mortal rock
my sim say that i should craft a weapon should i do it ?
candid falcon
so i want 20 % crit 20 % haste 30 % mastery 30 % versa ?
this means mastery and vers are a little better than haste and crit. but you should always sim anyway
dire vigil
I was watching a 10.1 fury guide to just become reacquainted with non-annihilator and I’m hype for onslaught Ravager again
young swan
my sim say that i should craft a weapon should i do it ?
yeah wep is the biggest dps increase ur gonna get
candid falcon
getting a 486 crafted weapon was big for my damage, 100% invest in it
it also allows you to upgrade your offhand weapon and prot 1hander/shield without crests
candid falcon
your ilvl is low isnt it king
mortal rock
445
candid falcon
yeah
mortal rock
dont have 4 set bonus yet
gilded pawn
get ilevel
candid falcon
you're completely fine
gilded pawn
stats dont matter
candid falcon
dont even worry about stats rn
silent burrow
acquire ilvl, most important stat rn
candid falcon
but 100% get a weapon crafted, as well as vers wrists (allied something of companionship) and a vibrant shawl with a shadowflame patch
candid falcon
this takes 30 minutes max
devout totem
i am so far behind in guardians of the dream chapters
stop typing and get to work
mortal rock
i forgot if i can turn legs from the quest and turn it into a tier
candid falcon
no idea lol
but the rep from guardians of the dream gives you hands and helm, right?
if you want tier fast those are decent options.
mortal rock
i want to learn priority list again but i have a hard time with it i used rotation addon since shadowlands
indigo quarry
gilded pawn
oh shit
mortal rock
sup
gilded pawn
does it start with /
young swan
stop
indigo quarry
#showtooltip
young swan
tell him to go hit a dummy with wowhead prio open
candid falcon
my recommendation: do the storyline, get the quest to kill Fyrakk, run LFR for chance at gear and the free enchanted wyrm crest off of fyrakk, upgrade weapon to heroic ilvl, use that damage increase to run low keys and gear up
GL remi!
gilded pawn
also the shit you are turning into tier isnt mythic track
so they are gonna get replaced soon
warm crag
dont think id bother spending big bucks on enchants until you get some more relevant gear
candid falcon
cheap enchants for low ilvl gear is smart, you may as well have something
eternal sundial
buy a raid boost rather than an enchants xd
fleet sorrel
pseudo wyvern
guys where can i find info on when to use legendary best? been lookin cant find -_- sry
fluid pollen
buy a raid boost rather than an enchants xd
Great idear
eternal sundial
(or leech hc off of guild)
fluid pollen
That too
cold jolt
im too powerful
barren dagger
Is OH dps very negligeable compared to MH?
modest condor
it's exactly half
nocturne dragon
BRH door <a:ragey:1198213371154153484>
I’ll give you something better. Murozond’s Rise unskippable minigame.
cold jolt
yo guys
covert blaze
surely i get invited to keys now right guys? since im finally 3k+
no
sinful spoke
cold jolt
do i double
barren dagger
3k is only the beginning of the pain
cold jolt
shadowflame ,ro craft wtrists
oblique trail
Craft wrists + shadowflame
oblique trail
Craft wrists + shadowflame
cold jolt
ok ty
dire vigil
I’ve been using lariat for a few weeks with Vers proc. I don’t really track when or how often it procs but it’ll provide an offensive and defensive buff when it does
Been running lariat, shadowflame cloak, and 489 socketed Vers/Mast bracers from raid
whole echo
acoustic furnace
Double shadowflame is poop
It's decent in pure ST but that almost never happens
oblique trail
It sims well
clever belfry
no sim can beat motivational cat pic viewing before pulling boss
oblique trail
nya
red yew
real
covert blaze
:3
edgy widget
It's decent in pure ST but that almost never happens
double shadowflame is on par with vers wrist even in M+
unless you're tunneling 10 target patch, it keeps up pretty well
I'd still favor Vers wrist for the extra defense, but it's pretty small
slim coral
double shadowflame is on par with vers wrist even in M+
what about bsl
it's become the new thing people are saying is bis
but I've seen no math around it
and by everyone I mean xan
restive peak
Gonna try BSL Tues on cloaky will update
restive peak
Not swappin versa wrists I don't think
slim coral
I don't feel any difference on tankiness
restive peak
Vers scaling on leggo and such too, it would need to be a notable increase to make me think it's even worth making the BSL wrists
slim coral
I don't have enough stats to give feedback yet
restive peak
I meant that from a purely "I'm fuckin lazy" standpoint
Been saying I was gonna make BSL cloak all week xD
I did however finally set up my stream AND my webcam has arrived so Tuesday it begins
Subtly suggesting peeps should do a little clicky clicky
😛
unreal onyx
Is woyer saved yet? Sorry im out of the loop for 2 weeks
restive peak
We're actually pretty bangin now in full gear
restive peak
Noice fam gratz
unreal onyx
And now I gotta get it when I come back
restive peak
❤️
unreal onyx
(Im on vacay rn)
restive peak
EU bois gonna love my streams btw I'll be on all like daily 12-3:30/4 EST plus raid nights
unreal onyx
I really hope I can still get it
restive peak
We ball
We're selling fyrakk so heavily...2 buyers a week...aka never getting augury
Unless its vaulted
unreal onyx
Coming back home on the 17th
restive peak
Bro who's bout to watch ngannou absolutely faceplant Joshua
covert blaze
I did however finally set up my stream AND my webcam has arrived so Tuesday it b...
POG
restive peak
or is it today
1.5fights left til it happens big dawg
barren dagger
oh shit
restive peak
Both championships though so legit it's gonna be awhile, probably 1-1.5hrs?
candid falcon
what is BSL btw
covert blaze
what is BSL btw
deez nuts
restive peak
what is BSL btw
Big Sick Lewtz dawg
covert blaze
blue silken lining
mossy fox
what is BSL btw
british sign language
candid falcon
ah silken lining, ty
covert blaze
that gif is great
candid falcon
british sign language
Oh god, I'd better stay away. Thank you
candid falcon
that gif is great
yeah it's a banger. There's another one I have favorited but it says bad words
hard widget
<@637785960108654602> you doing ok?
??
mossy fox
dbz author died
indigo quarry
first news i got on the radio this morning was his death
edgy widget
what about bsl
BSL has always been "bis" under perfect conditions, but in practice you don't get enough uptime on the harder fights to make it that good
indigo quarry
shit way to start the day
edgy widget
if you're doing like... Volcoross, yeah, BSL is bis
if you're doing Smoldy-Fyrakk though, or most M+ of a respectable level, I'd leave that shit at home
acoustic furnace
I'd still favor Vers wrist for the extra defense, but it's pretty small
I run vers bracers for the sole fact that it buffs Lego and Augury. But ye the extra defense is nice too
winter stump
hey if i have bloodbath or execute proc available, which one do I press?
oblique trail
Bloodbath, unless you're running ashen juggernaut and it's about to run out
covert blaze
Bloodbath, unless you're running ashen juggernaut and it's about to run out
I will run you out
dense elbow
Being declined for a Normal run... it hurts man, it hurts 
I blame warrior class being unpopular
sullen dove
just have that unlimited rizz
oblique trail
I will run you out
Please do
winter stump
Bloodbath, unless you're running ashen juggernaut and it's about to run out
so like, if i'm in reck and i keep going rampage>bb>rampage>bb, do I just never press it?
oblique trail
Basically
slim coral
BSL has always been "bis" under perfect conditions, but in practice you don't g...
sorry I meant in keys
should of clarified
summer quail
so like, if i'm in reck and i keep going rampage>bb>rampage>bb, do I just never ...
if in execute phase and you have ashen jugg then you do bb>exe>ramp
winter stump
okok
final birch
but I've seen no math around it
You can just sim for the uptime
Shouldn't be below 60 in any key
even in tot/wm tyra 29 I had ~65 or higher
cold jolt
unless you're tunneling 10 target patch, it keeps up pretty well
ty ty
im finding a way to transfer gold to my new realm 😭
to buy the centaur of cringe
clever belfry
get a friend to trade over
cold jolt
My evoker on malganid is alliance
And the char I want is horde area 52
I wonder if I make it a low lvl alliance tho
cold jolt
or are u saying i should send the mail while in an instance?
clever belfry
mail isn't xrealm
ancient quiver
No ues saying trade to a friend the. Back
loud locust
hey if im going to buy the epic addition of the war within, what does enhanced lvl boost mean?
do i get something extra from the boost?
ancient quiver
No it just means level 70 with shit gear vs level 60 with shit gear
sullen dove
why is this guy a white name
proper veldt
Hot take on how to make us get invited to some keys at least:
Give us AA or Banner and give us the new pvp talent that buffs our shouts . It wont break the game , it wont make us crazy op or anything . It will tho change the perception of the playerbase about warriors since when they play with us they will notice Banner, they will notice mobs getting knocked down , they will notice a bit of stamina and movement speed buff etc , which wont be enough but its a start.
sullen dove
banner gameplay boring and annoying, aftershock would be an actually kinda cool and interesting like, capstone node to replace shockwave
covert blaze
delete warrior
sullen dove
its basically just a better shockwave
cold jolt
😠
sullen dove
idk if there are any realistic scenarios you would take aftershock over anything else we have
like its def not doing as much dmg as roar
in m+
but if it was close could still be worth the cc it gives
maybe with some good capstones under it buffing
like the haste circle or some shit
proper veldt
i swear if i was a mage with the same score i would get insta invites to keys i need, but as a warr i cant even get invited to a key 2 levels lower than what i have already timed, its sad , nobody wants warriors
it could so easily change if they simply give us something small and special that doesnt have to be op
sullen dove
i think difference between warriors and mages usually too big to like, count
cold jolt
if u wana do m+ at high end just play meta
sullen dove
theres next to never any reason to not bring a mage over a warrior, all we rly should be competing against is other melee
proper veldt
oh and btw just as i say that they buff mages , game is so bad
warrior 0 changes, what a fucking joke
cold jolt
how do i see someones embelleish
sullen dove
on what
sullen dove
uh just kinda gotta look at what the crafted piece is
most likely his cape
tho i dont think it actually shows that
ancient quiver
Just raider io the guy
cold jolt
oh shit no cap
ancient quiver
See if gear is same
sullen dove
the cape is the only other crafted item on him
ancient quiver
Sometimes people change stuff out tho
sullen dove
so its the cape
cold jolt
ya its claok ok true
ill do my cloak then
so future proof it
ty all
anyone have any tips for a new melee player
like, tab targettubgn etc
ancient quiver
Don't die u lose dps
cold jolt
ranged just kinda blasted from afar easy time to swap
sometimes i press tab and it goes to east sudan
and im sitting there like 
ancient quiver
Point camera down
cold jolt
why does my tab sometimes go to ant arctica
ands better yet
to a mob not in combat AND in jerusalem
eternal sundial
click nameplates
cold jolt
joever
lucid owl
hey guys im trying to optemize my stats since a lot of warriors i see on warcraftlogs have a ton more crit then me and less vers then me. I was wondering if you guys have similar stats as me and if im over killing
frigid zealot
cold jolt
Bruh what day is it even rn
dapper goblet
cold jolt
Im so cooked
slim coral
<:greenbear:729127145963651092>
save us mr wonka
cold jolt
What’s even in that patch
slim coral
it's a secret
slim coral
and save from what
another year of bad class trees
brittle crow
so is the proper aoe opener just run in, press all 3 cooldowns + fyralath, and go from there?
oh i found the pin
so do i not use axe until my aoe opener is finished
slim coral
probably because we're pretty good
summer quail
because we are very good in raid?
slim coral
we're good enough to the point where we are not op but crank
wary fjord
covert blaze
forest grove
yeah war is good in pve
frank dawn
War needs more buffs until they fix our utility
ancient quiver
Should be able to scare the afflicted into cleansing itself
dire vigil
Put lust/hero on the talent tree for arms and fury and make rallying cry a 1.5 min if it’s gonna be shit
Paladin and DK get b res, we should get lust
ancient quiver
Make st stuns delete incorp and delete afflicted entirety
The lust thing will probably never happen till they get over not giving it to tanks
dire vigil
Prot warrior is fun but tbh I don’t think giving it lust is any more OP than a VDH being able to lock down a pack by itself