Weird how that works
#fury
oblique trail
silent burrow
I'm glad I played PTR so I got to use an augury at some point
clever path
it's funny that people say 489 augury isn't very good in ST, when in my damage breakdown is does just a little less than 489 cataclysmic
oblique trail
It took me until yesterday to get my first (non LFR) Augury
oblique trail
it's funny that people say 489 augury isn't very good in ST, when in my damage b...
Idk who says this, but they're very silly
Also keep in mind the proc might be higher/similar to Brand over a long fight, but it has crit not str
clever belfry
It took me until yesterday to get my first (non LFR) Augury
noob
oblique trail
So it's pure stats value is lower than even Hourglass, not including the passive of Hourglass
clever path
Also keep in mind the proc might be higher/similar to Brand over a long fight, b...
true, but cata is also weaker in a shorter fight than a longer fight
btw, to anyone who has the lego, did you see a difference in stat priority when you got the lego? like did any stat sims change?
oblique trail
nop
Still wanted me to gem/enchant vers/mast
And my gear largely stayed the same
eternal sundial
btw, to anyone who has the lego, did you see a difference in stat priority when ...
Vers goes up
But i alr had high vers cuz fury
clever path
But i alr had high vers cuz fury
i mean just how much in raid specifically? cause i have 27% with my buffs on
gilded pawn
28%
eternal sundial
i mean just how much in raid specifically? cause i have 27% with my buffs on
Bro i have no fucking clue
I dont look at stats
gilded pawn
29.5 with phial
runic violet
is larry larodar?
empty thorn
Hmm not a bad idea
mossy fox
clever path
btw, my sims are saying that lariat with full sockets is better than double shadowflame or shadowflame and vers wrists. Is anyone actually using it?
this is for raid btw
oblique trail
I've seen it be my best setup for Arms, however not for Fury
clever path
I've seen it be my best setup for Arms, however not for Fury
what is the best setup you ahve for fury?
oblique trail
Shadowflame + Wrists
clever path
in pure ST?
oblique trail
Double shadowflame is kinda dookie
It only sims very slightly higher on pure ST, but I'd still just use shadowflame + wrists
bitter palm
bsl is the secret tech
clever path
2x SF sims like 1k ahead in pure ST, no?
i think it's like .6% ahead
unreal onyx
so that's like 1k-1.5k
clever path
i guess
unreal onyx
-survivability
unreal onyx
I have one crafted in bags
bitter palm
smold
clever path
-survivability
that's a healer problem
bitter palm
u live perma on those bosses this late
slim coral
Thank you Mr cake
clever path
u live perma on those bosses this late
unless you yourself are really dumb or someone on your team is really dumb
bitter palm
Thank you Mr cake
critical strike cake
unreal onyx
I'll propably never see any myth boss besides fyrakk for the rest of the season
(hopefully maybe)
bitter palm
idk how can u die on smold as fury
unreal onyx
soak 2 orbs
bitter palm
u can eat 3 waves without pressing anything
bitter palm
true
silent burrow
All of those will kill you, I checked
clever path
you've got some pumping healers man
fluid pollen
If y’all were like me at 422 in all S1 glad gear, trying to gear up for keys, what pieces would you craft off the rip… with like the 17 sparks I have now.
misty helm
where do I find the recipes for the legendary pieces
strong swan
Craft everything
oblique trail
Vers Wrist > Shadowflame cloak > Weapon > Jewelry > Off-pieces
fluid pollen
And just sim the stats?
clever path
with 17 sparks i don't think you have to worry too much about which pieces besides specific embellishment
fluid pollen
Word
oblique trail
It might not be the immediate best stats, but when you have actual gear it'll usually almost gravitate towards vers/mast
clever path
generally yes
oblique trail
Allied Wristguards of Companionship and the w/e tailoring cloak with a Shadowflame patch
fluid pollen
Ok and the best ones are on wowhead?
oblique trail
Is the general setup
empty thorn
@mossy fox @final birch what keys do we have and who are the other grugs
final birch
brh 26
empty thorn
that i can definitely survive, but dunno about you guys
oblique trail
Just impending victory lol
empty thorn
yeah, i got AD but dunno how scary rezan is without healer
final birch
yep on stinger that does like 30% of your hp per tick
or idk how much it does on 26 forti
nah ad is cihll
clever path
Just impending victory lol
i feel like i get taken to those more often just for rally during tyr weeks
waxen wave
If y’all were like me at 422 in all S1 glad gear, trying to gear up for keys, wh...
Wrist/cloak, rings, weapon
final birch
as in I survived rezan when healer aped and died
waxen wave
There’s a lot of weapon drops this tier
clever path
as in I survived rezan when healer aped and died
the full time? no one else helped?
clever path
if so that is some beast healing, did you have the extra healing talent?
empty thorn
i checked my ad26 from a month ago
i got 5mil atonement healing
dunno how much of that was relevant
final birch
you should be fine no?
final birch
so that was just impending and enraged regen?
huh
we're talking about prot war taking rezan bleed
clever path
oh...
eternal sundial
Dwarf
clever path
I thought for a sec you survived as a fury and was losing my mind
final birch
na my ad on fury is 18 xd
gilded pawn
skill issue
mossy fox
<@235809563490779136> <@325173865175318529> what keys do we have and who are the...
i think ppl die to the brutal glaive on 2nd boss
in brh
final birch
and that yeah
empty thorn
what about priestess bleed
final birch
ye its hard no heal keys
mossy fox
not too sure about that one
final birch
rise seems pretty ok
empty thorn
huh
mossy fox
sounds like fury angle for most keys
final birch
if u can get past first boss
final birch
rally
empty thorn
the dot?
final birch
pop smth and rally before the double hit
mossy fox
we can heal chromie in fall surely
clever path
no heal runs means near perfection from everyone, anxiety times 10
mossy fox
correct
mossy fox
i need to keep my key as is
empty thorn
what about DHT
final birch
also last boss if you get too many overlaps of the weak thingy
modest condor
the real problem on the last boss would be the debuff i think
empty thorn
yea
modest condor
that normally gets dispelled
final birch
and that
clever path
i went into a nice and easy 21 DHT to shake off the rust, thinking I could get back into the swing of things, 15 minutes later the DH tank broke the group up after he failed the charge mechanics twice on the first one... i thought 3k tank would be enough
final birch
I genuinely think
ad is the best option
bosses might hurt
but you can get past those
with some heal shenanigans
empty thorn
im up to throw my evening at ADs
clever path
what would you guys say is the best setup with a fury warrior?
modest condor
wish i could join but im raiding tonight
clever belfry
wish i could join but im raiding tonight
noob
clever path
wish i could join but im raiding tonight
alt raid?
empty thorn
rogue/havoc/ret mw/rdruid + whatever tank
modest condor
oh looks like anda is joining
clever belfry
oh looks like anda is joining
never said that
final birch
modest condor
going off of statistics, looks like double outlaw + mw + guardian is having the best success with a fury warrior
clever path
rogue/havoc/ret mw/rdruid + whatever tank
what about healers? this isn't a no heal run
final birch
mw=healer
final birch
going off of statistics, looks like double outlaw + mw + guardian is having the ...
but being a realist since you wont find a guardian druid, vdh goes nice
last guardian druid I've seen was in fortified bolstering 10 weeks ago
warm crag
never said that
könig
clever path
a good guardian druid is rare imo
final birch
a guardian druid is rare
balmy shore
noxiv group’s bangin
clever path
how long has critcake been a high level warrior?
mossy fox
incorp spite ye
final birch
easy
mossy fox
how long has critcake been a high level warrior?
critcake's kinda washed tbh
old and slow
silent burrow
still cute tho
final birch
wait what time are we playing
mossy fox
😳
final birch
might hop for a key on dh if we're not ready yet
mossy fox
idk i'll go live in like an hour or two
clever path
what has been the most dominant dps warrior you've seen? like hands down in his time was the best?
oblique trail
If you need a body for the key I can come as well
mossy fox
what has been the most dominant dps warrior you've seen? like hands down in his ...
revvez
oblique trail
Idk how high you intend on going though
oblique trail
for sure for sure
clever path
when was he prominant
oblique trail
now
clever path
revez?
oblique trail
yes
mossy fox
if he was a m+ push enjoyer we'd stand no chance
oblique trail
He's always been a crazy good warrior
Consistently performed and has been with Method/Echo for many many years at this point as their main warrior
final birch
roar rend into ava pioneer
oblique trail
I don't recall a time where he might've been replaced for someone else on warrior
clever path
if he was a m+ push enjoyer we'd stand no chance
oh damn
warm crag
I don't recall a time where he might've been replaced for someone else on warrio...
you replaced me in the guild that shall not be named
oblique trail
paranoid
clever path
how far do you reasonably think a fury warrior can go in pure pugs?
empty thorn
31s
empty thorn
exactly
clever belfry
so stop making shit up ty
hasty path
so stop making shit up ty
I mean they are
empty thorn
theyre still pugs at the end of the day, you just know alot of people
hasty path
Having a network doesn’t make you not real pugs it just means you aren’t antisocial
dawn vault
Hey guys. what are optimal stats for fury?
clever belfry
a 24 pug is a way different thing from a 30 "pug"
empty thorn
absolutely
final birch
usually people are starting at 28, sit on discord and play all day
clever belfry
where you have played with 3 of the other players 10 times already rofl
final birch
and push that key to 31
hasty path
where you have played with 3 of the other players 10 times already rofl
Sure but there’s nothing stopping you from doing that in a 24
dense elbow
Well, 24 being too easy will
empty thorn
theres only a handful of people doing keys at that level
dense elbow
24?
oblique trail
Hey guys. what are optimal stats for fury?
There are no specific optimal stats. Just sim yourself in top gear on raidbots to figure out what the best stat setup is for your specific character. Typically mastery + anything is good however as a rule of thumb
empty thorn
no, 30
dense elbow
Yeah, 30 is all networking and using that to PuG
clever belfry
ive played a 30 with a guy who ive never heard of before
dense elbow
26-28 for the avg Joe, dd
clever belfry
and never seen again
but i also straight up dont play high key unless i get asked so
dense elbow
clever belfry
who tf is darklline
oblique trail
Who tf is andasimp
clever belfry
Who tf is andasimp
empty thorn
but like i already said the highest thing you can pug is not limited by key level
hasty path
willfully missing the point
“I refuse to network therefore I can’t do keys past a certain point”
clever belfry
based
dire badge
mossy fox
we also had a totem fail on volkaal on 30 ad yesterday
oblique trail
bro was stressing out when we trolled totems on volkaal on 30 <:clueless:1099922...
just mortal wounds them ez?
mossy fox
we still timed, easy 13 secs to spare or something
meager void
With not much dedication I've managed 26s so far
clever belfry
just blast more dmg
south kayak
we still timed, easy 13 secs to spare or something
Wouldn’t have been possible without axe
clever belfry
(djfroosh diff)
final birch
I think I played 27?
south kayak
final birch
Where totem failed
mossy fox
true
clever belfry
xdd
mossy fox
Wouldn’t have been possible without axe
but maybe we wouldn't have totem failed if i didn't have axe?
ember apex
totem fails on AD are always 100% rDPS fault
meager void
Missed the last ez weeks due to travel tho. A couple of similarly dedicated friends do about 27-28s
All these as pugs
mossy fox
totem fails on AD are always 100% rDPS fault
what if you have 3x mdps
hasty path
but maybe we wouldn't have totem failed if i didn't have axe?
Suffering from success
ember apex
what if you have 3x mdps
healer fucked up
mossy fox
fair
but ye our 5 war keys later dont have to be huge
could even be 20s, will still be fun
actually 20 is kinda low
radiant plank
atleast 25
dense elbow
start at like 25, or it wont be interesting
mossy fox
we'll test limits 
empty thorn
we start at 27ad
radiant plank
monkashake
empty thorn
and see where the problem is
mossy fox
perfect
empty thorn
and lower accordingly
dense elbow
27 AD, now we talkin'
dense elbow
Hope you lads get 28 ToT, for ez warr power key :^)
empty thorn
well AD is VASTLY different than EB
mossy fox
will we get any arms gamers
final birch
I'm kind of arms otp so I'm forced
mossy fox
i'll stick to fury and live better ig
ember apex
30 fury warriors vs amirdrassil when?
clever belfry
30 fury warriors vs amirdrassil when?
not doable
ember apex
29 fury warriors
final birch
fyrakk
clever belfry
same with tindral
final birch
still doubt
ember apex
theres no dot on normal
clever belfry
yeah i dont think fyrakk is realistically doable with full warr
who the fuck
cares about normal
ember apex
dont u guys remember 30 mages vs nyalotha they had 1 holy pala and 1 vDH and 28 mages
dense elbow
Warriors take what wins we can get
ember apex
it was normal mode wasnt it
clever belfry
as long as nome doesnt tank the boss in the worst possible spot again itll be fine
clever belfry
it was normal mode wasnt it
we did uldir, eternal palace and aberrus with 30 warrs
or well
not 30 but
only warrs :3
empty thorn
he cant cope with boss positioning being 3meters off
ember apex
yeah like 1 tank 1 healer and 28 warriors
clever belfry
>he cant cope with boss positioning being 3meters off
reality check
oblique trail
only warrs :3
Cyat face
clever belfry
yeah like 1 tank 1 healer and 28 warriors
cringe
clever belfry
lets just lose 10s of uptime while also making the knocks harder
empty thorn
OHOH
empty thorn
youre the only one crying about heroic boss positioning on 1 try
so whos taking the L
runic pine
what boss we talkin about?
clever belfry
😴 L 😴
ember apex
did the boss die
empty thorn
yes
ember apex
anda bein a 👶🏻 then
empty thorn
after we stopped losing 4 people in p1
runic pine
wild
empty thorn
it had absolutely 0 to do with p3
clever belfry
anda bein a 👶🏻 then
look at the log and do that again 😔
runic pine
look at the log and do that again 😔
anda bein a 👶🏻 then
ember apex
link me the log
clever belfry
final birch
anda>wallife
oblique trail
Wallife wishes he was Andaxd
runic pine
all warrior/melee sark just sounds like cancer anyways
ember apex
@empty thorn whys the boss here?
ember apex
nvm i made that up
warm crag
ye that raid was just not good
ember apex
why am i looking at a sarkareth log from 2009 anyways
empty thorn
idk
slim coral
Since fated raids will just be raids we already recleared I hope they are piss easy
empty thorn
we dont know shit about how s4 raids will be
gleaming siren
MILC
empty thorn
all we know
is the term "raid remix"
which does not mean its 1-1 the exact full and same raids
with funny affixes
gleaming siren
@warm crag guess what MILC means
ember apex
i really liked fated affixes
they made every boss better
the orbs on sylvanas
so good
warm crag
<@164800371057754112> guess what MILC means
what does it mean king
gleaming siren
Man I love cowfarmers
runic pine
is the term "raid remix"
inb4 they literally mix and match different bosses into different raids
modest condor
same with tindral
surely tindral is doable with full warrior
ember apex
tindral is 100% doable w/ full warrior
empty thorn
dispels
ember apex
u dont literally have 30x warrior, u always have 1 tank and 1 healer
empty thorn
you have like 5 tanks
modest condor
no you dont have a healer
restive peak
Man NA never does fun things like you EU bois do 😦
empty thorn
and 0 healers
modest condor
if you had a healer it wouldnt be full warrior
ember apex
look at 30 mages vs nyalotha, 1 vdh and 1 hpal. we would prob have a Brewmaster/Mistweaver and then maybe a rDruid or guardian druid
ember apex
30 mages vs nyalotha wasnt 30 mages
runic pine
okay well not that
what you mean you don't want to do Echo in Raszageth's room?
ember apex
ok well u know why they had a vDH? for 5% buff, thats why we would run a monk for example
ember apex
ok sick but the whole point is big numbers and fast boss kills
empty thorn
we wont do weak shit like that
ember apex
if u have 4x tanks ur gonna have slower boss kills
ember apex
NO IT ISNT bruh
runic pine
idk
empty thorn
sir.
modest condor
who knows better
ember apex
whyd 30 mages have a vdh in it
modest condor
the people setting it up
runic pine
all warrior run seems pretty explicit
ember apex
me apparently
modest condor
or some rando who has never done it before
empty thorn
Carlo...
this was Skyhold events
where we were literally in them and set them up
so who is correct here
runic pine
whyd 30 mages have a vdh in it
because they cared more about damage than they did the feat of it all, also probably BECAUSE MAGES CAN'T TANK SO THEY PICKED THE TANK THAT COULD HELP THEM OUT THE MOST AND STAY ALIVE
empty thorn
have fun.
modest condor
lol
you're literally talking to people who were doing the runs
why would you need to look it up on youtube
runic pine
huh hey guys why was the pure DPS class raid run all the same class except for one person who also happens to be a tank?
modest condor
warrior isnt a pure dps class
ember apex
why would you need to look it up on youtube
b/c i was right. whats the class on the top left
empty thorn
again
runic pine
warrior isnt a pure dps class
I didn't say it was
ember apex
is it 30 mages
modest condor
i dont see any warriors in that screenshot
ember apex
no its 39 mages
empty thorn
the same
runic pine
I'm talking about the mage example he's talking about
modest condor
why would we care what mages do
empty thorn
we literally dont care what they did
ember apex
the video idc about the log
modest condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/D2AvfyLZghwqxjRm#view=rankings&boss=-2&diff...
.
runic pine
bruh is trolling now
modest condor
yeah
ancient quiver
ember apex
im not trolling, i know they did it
im not doubting that
im asking for the video
they clearly did the raid w/o other classes, thats not disputed
empty thorn
young swan
coburn
empty thorn
so?
young swan
old name
empty thorn
what the fuck is your point lol
young swan
they did it in EP as well
young swan
what the fuck is your point lol
I see you're new to carlo
storm rune
im not doubting that
You're still somehow coming across like Jack Nicholson in a few good men
clever belfry
surely tindral is doable with full warrior
just rng the dot kinda fucking hurts and lasts LONG
with full dwarves tindral would be trivial but yknow
ember apex
ok, can we agree that 30 mages vs nyalotha was more succesful than this video at least
clever belfry
i do remember tho being in 1 full warrior uldir run
we did 2 days
clever belfry
ok, can we agree that 30 mages vs nyalotha was more succesful than this video at...
cause mages kept spamming it everywhere
who the fuck cares
it wasnt even 30 mages
empty thorn
its also from method lul
clever belfry
so theyre just L noobers
you know successful to me dosent mean it has many views of people idgaf about
empty thorn
nobody cares about the views here
ember apex
so ur saying ur version is more entertaining? or...?
clever belfry
its about actually doing what is proposed :3
empty thorn
^
clever belfry
and not lying through ur teeth
runic pine
the raid where practically every class tried an "all class run" because corruption happened to be more popular than others
who woulda thunk
sullen dove
carlo just yappin out of his mind
ember apex
the vdh is there to buff their damage and let them focus on dps
young swan
and to not be a mage
sullen dove
the vdh is there because mages do not have a tank spec
young swan
29 mage run
sullen dove
and they would all be killed
ember apex
yeah monks buff our damage, and they're not warriors.
sullen dove
Guess what
runic pine
no the VDH is there so they don't get 1 shot by the boss
ember apex
i said 30 fury warriors vs amirdrassil not warriors in general
all those mages were fire also
sullen dove
No one said anything about fury warriors
ember apex
i did
ember apex
i was the one who said it
clever belfry
all those mages were fire also
overtuned spec overtuned
young swan
carlo moment
clever belfry
holy moly
sullen dove
Nobody else was talking about it
young swan
AI sympathizer moment
empty thorn
he truly is the main character
30 tank runs in BFA were hilarious
easiest aotc ever
empty thorn
straight up know nothing about the raid, just spec into tank and equip twilight dev
sullen dove
they were unaware
empty thorn
gg theres your full HC clear
storm rune
easiest aotc ever
No one ever believes me when I say this
indigo quarry
i got the AOTC freely
clever belfry
ye until they fixed it
indigo quarry
by coming back into the game and getting carried by friends
clever belfry
and capped the stam increase
empty thorn
ye
karmic crow
whats everyones thought process behind simming for fury? 3 fights use spear and the rest use roar. for me the roar sim and the spear sim have different top gear
sullen dove
shouldn’t be that crazy different
but idk
Spear bigger number when sim so always sim spear 
karmic crow
spear sim has lariat being bis, roar sim has crafted neck being better
sullen dove
but yea not really practical you roar most fights
o i didn’t kno bout lariat haven’t tried that
restive peak
Spear sim has LARIAT above SF? O.o
sullen dove
yea seems also weirdge
restive peak
Don't threaten me with a good time I fuckin hate SF
karmic crow
SF?
restive peak
Shadowflame
sullen dove
2 shadowflame patches
restive peak
I think you may be simming wrong
Esp since we don't really want additional secondarys, we're swimmin in em
Maybe w versa gems+leggo?
karmic crow
heres my roar sim
running another spear sim super quick
let me know what im doing wrong, because it seems weird
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i8EgS55nUJyw1muxdP8999 spear has 2x SFP
silk wharf
Surely earthen or frozen writ will outsim double wafting by a little.
restive peak
Looks right as double SF, I personally run versa bracers cuz the DPS diff is so minimal and I pref the tankiness, but lariat being behind is right
karmic crow
Looks right as double SF, I personally run versa bracers cuz the DPS diff is so ...
so you gear for spear, and use it for roar too even though the bis might change?
calm swallow
restive peak
Yes
slim coral
eight is a lot
meager gyro
Even if slayer is good, we need to not hype it up because we don’t want them to ignore rework just because they do something right.
gleaming siren
@clever belfry noober
dense elbow
Slayer give OF a +100% dam amp, it does fire dam, and dot gets a 250% dam amp, then I am content 
gleaming siren
Slayer will execute raid bosses under 5% HP
dense elbow
Yeah yeah, execute dam and slam mods, but a man can dream
gleaming siren
the real raid buff
clever belfry
<@173741974493462528> noober
ancient quiver
Just make all ur bt cast a mini odyns
gleaming siren
FAAAAAK
dense elbow
I just want OF to do dam, not cast more often - not to be cast when I cast other abilites.
I want OF to be the button, without all the bells and whistles
A simple happy press
ancient quiver
Sir this is a Wendy's
ancient quiver
dense elbow
they told me that warrior need heroism, AoE combatress, a purge and shockwave baseline
south kayak
clever path
turns out if I get the ouroboreal necklace, the vers wrists are a dps increase, here's to hoping
oblique trail
go do old naxx and unlock old recipes for transmog like I am
young swan
love getting new info
oblique trail
old old content
young swan
I feel like we're gonna see 8 new trees for the classes that have already been featured
would be very in line with how they did talent trees in df
unreal cape
quick dumb questio: the damage buff from avatar increase roars damage right ?!
mossy fox
yes
mossy fox
we wont do weak shit like that
is it time for 5 war keys
gusty sleet
unreal cape
ok good, i was starting to question what i thought i knew about the class lol - i'm just rn wathcing your mythic fyrakk kill and you not using roar with/after avatar made me unsure hah
mossy fox
ok good, i was starting to question what i thought i knew about the class lol - ...
playing 1 min cd on roar on fyrakk
unreal cape
yeah, but you held your reck & avatar for quite some time and used roar even though they were up
maybe because you were saving them for intermission
mossy fox
yes
summer quail
so excited for tomorrow
ready for big disappointment, only 1 hero talent seems good so far. tho the concept of mountain thane is cool as well
young swan
ready for big disappointment, only 1 hero talent seems good so far. tho the conc...
i mean its first iterations
the important thing is to provide feedback early an often
dont give them any free passes
summer quail
true and them actually reworking oracle gives me a sliver of hope
slim coral
yeah for example, thunderous roar should shoot down thunder
that shit would be sick asf
calm mantle
Which raid weak aura's do you mythic raiders use? Liquid?
oblique trail
Northern Sky
Have used it all tier, and both should do more or less the same
However just don't use both at once
calm mantle
I was using the one built in with Atrocity's UI but I'm joining a smolderon Prog group and they linked me a macro for the seeking inferno's. Do I need to have the same weak aura as them for the macro to work?
oblique trail
Yes
Idk if Liquid has this, but Northern Sky uses a macro for the seeking inferno's
You should ask them which WA pack they use
calm mantle
They linked me the Liquid ones, but I wasn't sure if I could get away with just using the ones I was and use the macro.
empty thorn
ye waiting for crit
oblique trail
They linked me the Liquid ones, but I wasn't sure if I could get away with just ...
If that's the one they use, then use them as well
Don't mix and match WA packs
empty thorn
<@192743144276623360>
mossy fox
@clever belfry come dps 5 war
runic pine
I'd do it if I was EU
unreal onyx
nvm im too shit
unreal onyx
:prayge:
clever path
Can I get a link to that? Can't find it on wowhead anywhere
clever path
Thx
restive peak
trying 27 first <:keks:936231610850897992>
Timed on my screen
hasty path
We might get slayer preview this week!
I really fucking hope not
Would be ridiculous to get another warrior one over a class that hasn’t seen one yet
slim coral
that's not how they did it in the past
bitter palm
COLOSSUS
hasty path
that's not how they did it in the past
Which is dumb
slim coral
why would that be dumb
hasty path
Because it doesn’t favor one class over another
And allows for longer duration of feedback for certain trees
Also you end up with stuff like you did going into DF
where the early trees like Druid are giga scuffed and have to get reworked later on after later trees
eternal sundial
is it 26 now
hasty path
Compared to just one spec tree being an issue
gilded pawn
where the early trees like Druid are giga scuffed and have to get reworked later...
yeah but warrior was revealed early and was still garbage
slim coral
Also you end up with stuff like you did going into DF
I mean with the way blizzard works that's going to happen anyways
young swan
holy fuck @mossy fox took u guys to gapplebees
hasty path
yeah but warrior was revealed early and was still garbage
Yeah because it didn’t get the rework treatment
Also wasn’t as bad as original Druid lol
3 point nodes 💀
final birch
holy fuck <@235809563490779136> took u guys to gapplebees
true and real
its the arms curse
mossy fox
holy fuck <@235809563490779136> took u guys to gapplebees
i didnt die
final birch
I started the key as arms
oblique trail
holy fuck <@235809563490779136> took u guys to gapplebees
yeah well
I got owned
it is what it is
(I also used Ember instead of might xd)
median marsh
@mossy fox
for tindral mythic, i dont go up anytime for now
how should i manage cds?
mossy fox
dunno sorry
red berry
im excited for tomorrow. ill get axe. slayer?? maybe???
what do u guys want slayer to be like do u have any specific hopes
hasty path
what do u guys want slayer to be like do u have any specific hopes
I want it to have nothing to do with bleeds so I can aggressively ping a certain individual
mossy fox
Criticake axe yea?
yeeee
slim coral
what do u guys want slayer to be like do u have any specific hopes
I want it to rely on some sort of post death proc
kinda of like sew the seeeds
on aff
left perch
#colossusgang and I want it to be bigger and browner avatar
hasty path
whyis myautoxorext not wirkjng
slim coral
fury is gonna be unkillable with passive tank nodes lol
it's already almost impossible to die
left perch
if they rename mountain thane to (anything good) and keep tclap lore im doing that
slim coral
moutain thane is not getting renamed bud
left perch
moutain thane is not getting renamed bud
well then I’m not playing it and no one else is either
slim coral
?
left perch
so that’s on them
red berry
lmao
pure raft
whats so bad abt mountain thane name
hasty path
well then I’m not playing it and no one else is either
They should name it like
“Rock dude”
left perch
just say it out loud you’ll see
hasty path
slim coral
just say it out loud you’ll see
it's an iconic hero in Warcraft it's not getting a name change
hasty path
Tell that to Jesse mccree
slim coral
also wait
some people already know if slayer is getting annouced tomorrow
cuase there would be a dev interview
balmy shore
<@80717720873603072> axe (main) tomorrow and then everyone but me has it?
man im not even going to be excited i feel like its gotta drop with the hotfix + mythic fyrakk greater ember
slim coral
we need people to speak up on who got interviewed
bitter palm
interview xan!!!
unreal onyx
interview roidstack!!!
indigo quarry
we need people to speak up on who got interviewed
spoiler alert no war hero talent
fleet sorrel
man im not even going to be excited i feel like its gotta drop with the hotfix +...
cope
upbeat sentinel
I want it to rely on some sort of post death proc
Slayer would be like a cheat death mechanic IMO, not post death
slim coral
Slayer would be like a cheat death mechanic IMO, not post death
everytime an eenemy dies the other enemies get a stacking bleed
hasty path
interview roidstack!!!
Real
hasty path
Slayer would be like a cheat death mechanic IMO, not post death
Cheat death on a Dps 
As part of a unique tree
Ok
upbeat sentinel
Cheat death on a Dps <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
Makes more sense than a post death mechanic lol
dapper goblet
voodoo
hasty path
You misunderstood post death
I think they mean post enemy death like an enemy body explodes
upbeat sentinel
Idk how that would mechanically make sense for us
clever path
Idk how that would mechanically make sense for us
I mean we already kinda have that with impending victory, wouldn't too out of the blue
upbeat sentinel
So like an execute that’s instead charged by getting kills?
hasty path
Idk how that would mechanically make sense for us
I don’t either but that’s what they were suggesting
gilded pawn
post death effects are all dogshit
because they do nothing in raid
and is still messy in m+
slim coral
I think they mean post enemy death like an enemy body explodes
yes
gilded pawn
post death effects are usually a cherry on top of something else
upbeat sentinel
Throwback to DKs turning into a ghoul when they die
slim coral
So like an execute that’s instead charged by getting kills?
do you not know what seed of corruption does on aff
upbeat sentinel
do you not know what seed of corruption does on aff
No I haven’t played warlock in 4 expansions
clever path
I'd say if we got a post death effect, it would be a minute bonus to another effect
gilded pawn
dance of death
clever path
It could be like you get x amount of rage if you land the killing blow, think like 5-10 per enemy, with a limit per 10 secs or something
slim coral
No I haven’t played warlock in 4 expansions
my idea is when you kill an ad
it explodes and applies bleeds to ads neat it
*near
indigo quarry
clever path
Killing blow also works, cause you don't have to worry too much about extremes
upbeat sentinel
How about instead of that slayer just uncaps whirlwind and makes it 80% damage instead of what it is now
clever path
Uncapped ww?!!
gilded pawn
arms having uncapped cleave would be much stronger than fury uncapped cleave
JS
remember that slayer is probably for both arms and fury
slim coral
so you want a hero talent thats absolutly useless in ST
well yeah class need aoe too
can have both that's why choice exist
upbeat sentinel
well yeah class need aoe too
It being completely useless on ST would be a problem
I’m not aware of any current trees that just don’t work ST
bitter palm
the lower the enemy the more damage you deal 
lets transfer the arms curse to fury
only useful in exe
clever path
I’m not aware of any current trees that just don’t work ST
I mean victory is pretty useless in ST without the talent
slim coral
I’m not aware of any current trees that just don’t work ST
there's plenty of useless talents on ST
upbeat sentinel
there's plenty of useless talents on ST
Are any of the hero trees capstones useless in ST?
bitter palm
when do u not take dstance
bitter palm
arms isnt tanky without dstance
its free now but it wasnt
pre mini rework
u always take iv
slim coral
Are any of the hero trees capstones useless in ST?
we'll see tomorrow
upbeat sentinel
I tell my RL I didn’t take it so they don’t expect me to soak things
bitter palm
there's plenty of useless talents on ST
intim shout
clever path
Intimidating shout
upbeat sentinel
Slayer
bitter palm
????????????
gilded pawn
ah yes
upbeat sentinel
It should just deal fire damage
bitter palm
ah yes
upbeat sentinel
Would go gr8 with next tier
gilded pawn
ok tbf mountain thane has a ton of nature damage
bitter palm
yeah but thats lightning
gilded pawn
no its nature
clever path
Still nature
gilded pawn
upbeat sentinel
How is fire less thematic for a warriors than lightning
bitter palm
is lightning
gilded pawn
fire is more thematic if anything
upbeat sentinel
Set your blade on fire
bitter palm
is there a fire warrior?
gilded pawn
wasnt odyns fire back in the day
upbeat sentinel
is there a fire warrior?
The blade masters set their shit on fire
bitter palm
ah yes
gilded pawn
i remember
upbeat sentinel
And like half of all warrior based enemies use flame weapons
gilded pawn
flame swords are very common in games too
upbeat sentinel
Dog setting your sword on fire is just super thematic
Warriors shooting fucking lightning is absurd in comparison to how common it is lmao
left perch
And like half of all warrior based enemies use flame weapons
Name 16
upbeat sentinel
so is half
“Like half” u troglodyte
gilded pawn
do i need to go more
bitter palm
khaz modan
clever path
I mean, being too angry to die would be very thematic, but I don't think we're getting that either
left perch
“Like half” u troglodyte
real and true
bitter palm
the mightiest dwarven warriors under the mountain
upbeat sentinel
I mean, being too angry to die would be very thematic, but I don't think we're g...
Bloodthirst + leech already kinda does that
I heal because I LIKE HITTING YOU SO MUCH
bitter palm
id like slayer to be about leeching and shi
drinking blood
n shi
would be cool for a warrior
upbeat sentinel
when I hear slayer I just think of Warhammer fantasy slayer dwarves
gilded pawn
that could be cool
upbeat sentinel
Are there existing slayers in WoW?
gilded pawn
but im not sure if they want dps to have that much leech
upbeat sentinel
Or is it a blanket term
upbeat sentinel
but im not sure if they want dps to have that much leech
Demonhunter exists
clever path
Bloodthirst + leech already kinda does that
I mean like a half cheat death, once you die you get like 20 seconds to keep fighting, but no matter what you still die
upbeat sentinel
I mean like a half cheat death, once you die you get like 20 seconds to keep fig...
That is unfortunately useless if you’re good at the game
Which I’m not so it’d be great for me
gilded pawn
Demonhunter exists
DH leech is gutted thoguh
uneven plaza
Does it matter on which target i use the Axe active on? e.g. a pull of 8 mobs, should i use the axe active on the closest mob or the one furthest away?
gilded pawn
from back in the day
bitter palm
Are there existing slayers in WoW?
not that i know
upbeat sentinel
DH leech is gutted thoguh
Don’t they still get like 20% off a talent while in meta
That’s crazy as fuck
upbeat sentinel
10% for a one point talent is insane even without the 20% in meta
bitter palm
leech isnt very relevant
upbeat sentinel
Oh is it 2
upbeat sentinel
They just always take it ya
clever path
That is unfortunately useless if you’re good at the game
With everything else we have, this would be very nice, to have no matter how you split it
hardy cargo
Does it matter on which target i use the Axe active on? e.g. a pull of 8 mobs, s...
if u want to cleave it, then choose closest. if u want it on a prio target find a way to get that target isolated. make sure it wont die during the channel
upbeat sentinel
With everything else we have, this would be very nice, to have no matter how you...
I just would prefer something that functions whether you play perfectly or like shit
clever path
I just would prefer something that functions whether you play perfectly or like ...
I mean, you still die whether you're a God at the game or hot garbage
gilded pawn
cheat death is definitely on the ends of a bell curve
upbeat sentinel
I mean, you still die whether you're a God at the game or hot garbage
Ya but “I didn’t die so my hero class didn’t matter that fight” feels bad
gilded pawn
you either use it if you are shit or you are insane
uneven plaza
I mean, you still die whether you're a God at the game or hot garbage
Dying is a mindset 
clever path
on wow forums
A banger?
gilded pawn
i highly doubt they are gonna hide a cheat death on a side node in the hero tree
especially when this is what mountain thane gets for defensive
its pretty decent
but nothing to write home about
uneven plaza
@bitter palm Madge tell us rn
bitter palm
<@692035495718551564> Madge tell us rn
look in arms
left perch
Ignore Pain had a low pick rate
clever path
That is probably what tanks will pick
gilded pawn
4% damage reduction is uh
hypothetically it has 100% uptime
or osmething
victory rush one is great though
its a choice node
empty thorn
gilded pawn
youll always take the victory rush one unless lazy
mossy fox
great fun
upbeat sentinel
With the hero trees we unlock the full tree at max right
empty thorn
big meters 
upbeat sentinel
Like don’t have to pick a branch
mossy fox
ty nome, bane, myrt and rag
ripe ember
I got Tindrall this week!!
uneven plaza
look in arms
he be cooking
clever path
Does that heal us for 30% of the 110% health or just 100% health?
gilded pawn
With the hero trees we unlock the full tree at max right
no, the node is literally a choice
there are still choice nodes
even if you get every node
upbeat sentinel
no, the node is literally a choice
No I know but you get every node
gilded pawn
yes
you get every node
but thats a choice node
so they are mutually exclusive
im not sure how much more i can make it clear
clever path
We get both trees though in its entirety, besides choice nodes, right?