fury

[tawny slate]

15th kill

[covert blaze]

ya spongie ya spongie

[modest condor]

yes

[upbeat sentinel]

Link to this?

[oblique trail]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-water-drink-drink-water-u-idiot-cute-gif-26510085

[warm crag]

drinking

[karmic crow]

so, ive seen someone say that if lariat sims bis for ST then my gear isnt great. how true is that?

[tawny slate]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/datamining-fyralath-legendary-drop-rates-bad-luck-protection-values-revealed-337807?webhook

[upbeat sentinel]

Thx

[covert blaze]

Ah I knew it

[upbeat sentinel]

What's the command to check my greater embers again?

[tawny slate]

just check how many fyyrak kills u have

[upbeat sentinel]

My DK killed with multiple groups on some weeks

so not v useful

[rose dagger]

hey, probs super dumb question, but do damage increases apply to Fyralath weapon's Active ?

Like avatar/enrage/strength pot/ or trinkets ?

[modest condor]

no/only the haste part/no/depends on what stat it buffs

legendary is affected by haste, crit and vers

[tawny slate]

doesnt reck increase crit tho

[modest condor]

no

reck increases the chance for spells to crit

very important difference

[silk wharf]

You think I can convince my group to not kill the little adds we pullinto tree in EB so I can channel a mega buffed axe into the weakened boss?

[rose dagger]

thats why pinned note says to enrage 1st. to get more haste. but the damage is not increased by our mastery ability part of the enrage. got it

[modest condor]

yep

[rose dagger]

so as far as rotatoin, do you just want to use the ability as soon as it comes off cd (assuming enraged). like do we just spam it every 2 min afk off cd ?

[summer quail]

ye enrage and max frenzy stacks. channels really fast

[upbeat sentinel]

wait is there not a macro checker for greater embers

only lessers?

[covert blaze]

Look at your fyrakk kills

Have you not killed it every week?

If you have multiple look at your logs and subtract multiple kills in one week idk

[upbeat sentinel]

Not on the war no, it was a mid-tier swap

mostly because I fucking hated playing DK in keys

🙂

[karmic crow]

what is everyone simming for ST?

[covert blaze]

Patchwerk 1 target 5 minutes

[karmic crow]

no

how much damage are you simming for

[covert blaze]

#fury message

Search function is your frend

#fury message

[upbeat sentinel]

Tindral smashed with another nerf

[modest condor]

source?

[upbeat sentinel]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-mythic-tindral-nerfs-10-health-nerf-337821?webhook

[modest condor]

bruh that's 2 days ago

[upbeat sentinel]

1 day

[modest condor]

same thing

not new

[covert blaze]

[fading sky]

hmm hopefully we kill tindral before this nerf hits

if not im ngl im gonna be sad

[modest condor]

what's your best pull?

[fading sky]

600k

0.1 %

[modest condor]

damn that's

[final birch]

600k pulls

damn

almost more than skyline

[fading sky]

i know. basicly we were 2 good globals from a crit

kill

or well like 6

[clever belfry]

[fading sky]

i dno man its painfull esp coz we arent that consitent guild that just gets there again instantly

[warm crag]

does the nerf even change anything

[fading sky]

its a hard boss with no real breaks and our healers are mumbo jumbo struggeling ( or our squhisest range classes are ) i dno. all i know is fury dont die 😄

well it makes it 10% faster to kill

^_^

[rigid stirrup]

roots have less hp and the shield has less hp overall

[fading sky]

seeing we have many tries in the 5-7% range

[warm crag]

ye but it doesnt change the reason why you wipe

[fading sky]

well it does make it so u dont have to do like last overlaps

[warm crag]

i guess it just hard limits the fight to 2 feather sets in p3

[fading sky]

so prob skip another 2

[rigid stirrup]

I don't think nerfs means doing things to prevent wipes

[final birch]

bl in p3

apparently

instead of p2

[fading sky]

i reckon u can just BL p1 tbh

and send all cds ?

[final birch]

our raid lead said so

[rigid stirrup]

it just makes it easier to push and get into better positioning for things

we're switching to p3 lust on shield in my raid as well

[warm crag]

when does the fight end w/ p3 lust

[rigid stirrup]

pushing first shield should be easy

uhh split dispels apparently

[final birch]

idk all I know is we might hold dps somewhere and depending on dps change bl

[rigid stirrup]

is around time should be ending granted you met prior damage checks

[karmic crow]

ya, not sure how youre getting 244k, best i can do is 230k with leggo. unless your simm has you getting PI

[gleaming siren]

If you have decent damage P2 bl means you hard phase into P3 which sucks for everyone

so yea P3 BL seems most likely

[karmic crow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9R1m6MTcJqhGgwdyRzhBhp

[hasty path]

not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?

[hardy cargo]

not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?

[final birch]

who started this originally

[hardy cargo]

I think it was someone replying to silm their name is lost to time now

[karmic crow]

??

[covert blaze]

That's not my sim

[karmic crow]

why do you think i was boosted? i played prot up until tindral prog

[covert blaze]

[final birch]

I cant tell

[rigid stirrup]

got em

[final birch]

if this is bait

[gleaming siren]

a fever dream is what it is

[covert blaze]

I don't think so

[hardy cargo]

I think maybe he just doesnt know the lore

[final birch]

my guy

linked sim without monk and wf

it has to be bait

[karmic crow]

My raid doesn’t have a WF

[final birch]

u said

not sure how you're simming 244k

and then went on to link a sim without most important buffs

trying to compare it to a fully buffed sim

[covert blaze]

Then don't compare yourself to a regular sim

[karmic crow]

youre actually just dumb because monk buff is in there

but ok

[covert blaze]

Yo should sim wf anyway

[final birch]

my bad it's not monk

it's dh buff

lack of wf

is enough

x)

but w.e

you do you

[hasty path]

@karmic crow skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up....

[covert blaze]

not sure how you sim so high.. as your gear isnt much diff from mine, also... your mythic logs.. was this boosted or did you play?

[hardy cargo]

@karmic crow skilled player but that is not normally, This very very insane....They need to check him pc and game.....Maybe he not cheating but maybe he using the game deficit ...and this cant seem on game screen..He needs to check-up...

[warm crag]

youre actually just dumb because monk buff is in there

[young swan]

your gear isnt really anywhere close to bis

multiple 483 pieces

no augury

stat distrib looks weird

etc

on top of not having wf thats a substantial amount of dps

[fading sky]

ye bout what

10k ?

or well 8k

[hardy cargo]

ya right around 8k

[fading sky]

so not having WF on fury is a terrible thing

[hardy cargo]

fury is like the 2nd best beneficiary iirc

[final birch]

its somewhere up there

bloodmallet puts assa as 8,7 vs fury at 8,2

tho it also puts arms as 4,2 whereas my personal sim made it more of a 5k diff

so below sub its one of the highest ones

[frosty scroll]

does any1 have a rough estimate of when this season ends?

[hasty path]

spring

i would expect at least 2 months

[upbeat sentinel]

would only leave like a 3month fated season ya?

[modest condor]

that's how long last one lasted

[covert blaze]

My guess is April

[gentle oracle]

I have a silly question, is rampage a top prio regardless , like if i have stacks of WW up, i should be hitting rampage if i have the rage for it right? Just wanna make sure im not losing my mind here

[frosty scroll]

ye, bloodbath before u rampage if one's available though

[clever path]

should we prioritize a regular BB or a SD execute? BBs crits means more uptime on OF, but execute is more damage and more rage

[covert blaze]

With AJ or no AJ

[rose dagger]

lets say With aj

[clever path]

Hey guys , I just wanted to say thanks for bearing with my shit and helping when the help was needed with advice, tech or otherwise.

Thanks Archi for super guide.

Have fun and I hope TWW will be Warrior expansion

Love you all

[frosty scroll]

i hope it aint a warrior expansion cuz then the fotm cucks come around

[upbeat sentinel]

na it needs to be a DK expansion

[frosty scroll]

u filthy infidel

[clever path]

without

[upbeat sentinel]

DK or Warrior, I'm good with both

[clever path]

When was the last time warriors were on top? classic/BC?

[upbeat sentinel]

Just hope we dont get stupid shit like our S2 bonus again

"you must build 20 stacks before using this aBILITY"

[covert blaze]

bb

[clever path]

so just let SD execute run out if we don't need the filler?

[covert blaze]

In practice you usually find a spot to use it

Before it runs out

Assuming you're not spamming bb into ramp during cds

[slim coral]

I’ve had pretty good reck up time to where I could fully ignore SD

Was pretty Pog

[covert blaze]

Yeah sometimes it just runs out

It's the one thing I don't like about this build

Execute should be better for this spec

[gilded pawn]

It is good

Just not better than 100%bbs

It’s better than a regular bb

#fury message

[covert blaze]

He said rampage, not bb

No one is arguing execute is worse than rampage

[noble elm]

You don’t wanna be on top that’s not the place to be

That’s how you get nerfed

[sullen dove]

surely

only if you dont belong on top

[noble elm]

Unless you’re a rogue

[sullen dove]

i.e. arent wow's posterboy

an example of one

[gilded pawn]

#fury message

Execute is about as good as bb

That’s why we delay bbs by a bit to send execute with ashen

[covert blaze]

He's talking in the context of AJ, no?

Cause we weren't

[summer quail]

ye as if assassination didn't get overnerfed

[gilded pawn]

Ye outlaw and sub was like barely worse

And they escaped the nerfs

[covert blaze]

I don't think a triple melee dps class suffers a lot from one spec getting nerfed from best to worst if the other two are still strong

[summer quail]

yep, and assa was also THE PI spec before the nerfs ahahah. basically a triple nerf in a way

[covert blaze]

Me when I'm with no context

[gilded pawn]

All you said was “execute should be better for this spec”

And then point is that we have the talents to support it

Execute doesn’t have to be good with no talent to support it

Just like BT/BB

Even arms execute is dogshit without the bottom talents

Having to take ashen and massacre to make execute good for fury is no different from needing to take EP and jugg for it to be good on arms

If anything no talent fury execute is better than no talent arms execute

[sullen dove]

exe is good on arms without those talents cuz its a button that spends rage that does damage and arms has exactly 2 of those pre execute on a long cooldown

[gilded pawn]

Real

No talent arms execute actually does pathetic damage though

[modest condor]

have you seen no talent fury

it's like 2% of your damage or something

[young swan]

execute in m+

[clever belfry]

ww aoe spender
exe st spender

when

[modest condor]

and fall into the same issue as ret?

noty

[sour frigate]

[gilded pawn]

No talent fury does okay damage on a per cast basis, it’s just not a lot of casts

Not to say it’s good lol

[covert blaze]

I still think in my personal opinion that execute should be better for this spec

I never said execute was bad numerically or anything

[wary fjord]

my opinion, the whole spec should be better

i would be saying this even if the spec was giga meta, u run 3 fury warriors in keys meta

[gilded pawn]

Real

[covert blaze]

@gilded pawn I was more pointing to the fact that you joined a convo about execute relevance without AJ and commented on it in the context of having AJ

[gilded pawn]

And the statement you made, as I interpreted, is independent of having aj or not

[covert blaze]

Yes, it is

[gilded pawn]

I read the stuff beforehand

[covert blaze]

I basically said "I wish execute was better" and you said "execute is not bad"

Which is irrelevant to what I said

[gilded pawn]

Honestly some other class writers impress me on that regard

Their specs can be batshit broken

But they can always say “well, you see, there’s this one situation that makes my spec not performing 50% better than the next spec therefore we are bad”

[wary fjord]

yes

also they say "Hush hush, don't make a big thing of it or we will get nerfed"

always ask for buffs

best mindset

[covert blaze]

Warlock sandbagging

[wary fjord]

he knew

never say your spec is in a good state though, always ask for buffs, never say something on your spec needs to be nerfed. Just chad stance against others to gain power

[gilded pawn]

Nah you can say it’s in a “good but not great” state

Tell people how Weak you are

9.2 survival hunters telling people “we can’t live through one shot mechanics in 30s so we aren’t as good as destro locks”

[wary fjord]

lol

well, we have this: "Fury doesn't have an immunity, so its just worse than specs that do."

easy bait

[young swan]

thats true tho

mostly true anyways

rogue, mage, ret, dh (arguable on dh)

[covert blaze]

leggo = bad

[young swan]

real

true

if it wasnt bad they wouldnt have given it more patch notes than fury since 10.0.5

[slim coral]

Me on my next reclear waiting for lego

[rose isle]

should we use wrecking throw?

[slim coral]

for?

[rose isle]

for Tindral for instance

[covert blaze]

It's good against shields yeah

[sour frigate]

what the

[slim coral]

yeah for prog and fyrakk

[rose isle]

using raid cleave on tindral and fyrakk but not sure how to talent wrecking throw dunno what to not take

[slim coral]

it's not really needed but you can bring it

[gilded pawn]

It’s a lot of free damage

[rose isle]

just looking at my warrior points dunno what talent to discard

BgEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAEAAAAAAAAAAQggSAEhEiQS0AhIQIhEIRSSIJRERkWKJJgkEAAAEQQA

on this build

pain and gain?

[olive wraith]

Ss it I’m on mobile

[vivid peak]

That or maybe on point of slam damage?

[sullen dove]

heck no

damage is damage

that healing is almost nothing

[hardy cargo]

tbf the slam point is almost no dam too

[sullen dove]

1 point in slam is worth more than 1 wrecking throw on a fyrakk shield

not as concentrated ofc but on god waste of a talent point imo on fyr for just 1 use

tindrals cool cuz 2 shields and 50% extra dmg on each

[edgy widget]

Yeah, I didn't find Fyrakk shield worth speccing into tbh

You generally end up overkilling it pretty handily, and the Annihilator build doesn't have as many points to spare in the middle of the tree

[edgy widget]

you'd be surprised, it can adds up to ~2mil healing on Fyrakk

[pulsar prawn]

its a 50 / 50 choice on fyrakk M to take it .. regarding warcraftlogs

[edgy widget]

Yeah, WCL is pretty split on whether people take it or not, but look at the actual amount of damage it does in logs

[sudden tusk]

i think its worth on tendril

but fyrakk its simply not

the point if far better spend on slam

[edgy widget]

Yeah, talking specifically about Fyrakk here

it's better to spend on Slam or Pain & Gain

[sudden tusk]

the only reason i think its even worth on tendril is the damage amp anyway

without it i probably wouldnt take it

[edgy widget]

2 mil self healing is not insignificant - it's usually ~10% of your healing

And yeah, Tindral benefits from the damage amp and the fact that there are multiple shields, not just one

[sudden tusk]

that extra 10% nerf on tendril tho

mans gonna be sub 35 before we even hit plat 3

[summer quail]

i'll take that tswift nerf, prob means 1 less day on tswift

[gray nexus]

Not sure if someone mentioned this because I don't feel like reading but you should definitely spec into the thunderous roar cd reduction on both tindral and fyrakk

[balmy shore]

ig it depends on your raid dam on shield but we always got through the shield really quickly so im in camp pain and gain

maybe helps on prog but idk

[sudden tusk]

i prefer the lineups for both tbh

[gray nexus]

I use pain and gain as well, this is what I'm on

[sudden tusk]

it fits very well on both boses

[balmy shore]

uproar good

u get roar for both sets of adds

[sudden tusk]

glad we wil lget to take it in M+ next season

i like the boss dam from the S3 set but i miss the M+ feel of AM

[gray nexus]

Meh I like this seasons set bonus far more

[wispy laurel]

What is our set bonus on next season

Did S2 set win ?

[sudden tusk]

ya

[wispy laurel]

AngerM is far more good for me

[sudden tusk]

just watched this poor lad have a bidding war for clutch of ji-kun up to 1.3m and he had to walk away he ran out of money

[hardy cargo]

[brittle crow]

ppl will really spend $100 worth of tokens on a mount that they can just go get

[sick viper]

and a mount they prolly wont ride

[brittle crow]

idc if i wont ride it i got it cuz it makes my number of mounts go up

[sudden tusk]

couldnt be me

[hidden kite]

Waiting for a bloodbath to spend s3 set feels awkward af

[brittle crow]

wym "waiting" for a bloodbath

u should just have bloodbath if u play ur hand right

[hardy cargo]

just send the bt

[brittle crow]

isnt even filler whirlwind better than just sending the bt

[hardy cargo]

no

[brittle crow]

filler slam/execute is tho

[covert blaze]

hell no

[covert blaze]

check him pc

[brittle crow]

well either way u shouldnt ever let urself get in that situation

just dont press odyns at 0 rage

[covert blaze]

what

are we talking about t31 stacks or regular gameplay?

[hardy cargo]

pretty sure hes talking about tier stacks

[brittle crow]

ofc we're talking abt t31 stacks

💀

[hardy cargo]

but it still stands if youre going to have downtime

just send the bt

[brittle crow]

yea simply dont have downtime

[covert blaze]

it wasn't that clear idk

i assumed you were talking about regular gameplay

but yeah you usually don't have to use stacks on a bt

[brittle crow]

even if reck isnt up if u press odyns at not 0 rage then u should be able to just press slam to get urself to ur next ramp

[sudden tusk]

tbh i dont know whats better

[covert blaze]

sometimes you do

[sudden tusk]

i do not know the math

[covert blaze]

why would you not have a bb ready before odyn's

why would you spend the 4 seconds of avatar on slam

[brittle crow]

u do

[covert blaze]

[brittle crow]

im saying

dont ramp urself to 0 rage

then press odyns

and u wont starve

worst case scenario u press slam (after ur avatar has already run out)

[hardy cargo]

I dont think anyone is disputing you shouldnt play with rage past 80

but in the event of empowered bt or downtime just press the bt

[brittle crow]

i am literally saying go past 80

[hardy cargo]

I said nobody is disputing that

[brittle crow]

😭 thats what u just said

[hardy cargo]

nobody is disagreeing with that

[sudden tusk]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pillow-bite-angry-angry-cat-gif-25541136

[hardy cargo]

oh I see I typed shouldnt instead of should

mt but

yes I am agreeing with you that you should go past 80 rage

[brittle crow]

im pretty sure if u cap rage w/ ur first bb

then u have the rage to just bb ramp bb ramp bb

even without reck

which is what u should be doing, so u shouldnt just send the bt because u shouldnt have to

[south kayak]

I am

[hardy cargo]

I find this extremely hard ot believe unless like wft or smth

[hardy cargo]

based

[brittle crow]

bet

sec

[brittle crow]

https://streamable.com/mwuhui idk where the audio went gg

[jovial glen]

Is Ember + Augury or Ember + Might better for high keys?

[brittle crow]

augury + might iirc

but sim yo self

[modest condor]

depends on how high we're talking

+27? augury + might

+31? ember + might

[brittle crow]

heres the real trick

for high keys?

swap class

[modest condor]

oof

[brittle crow]

u know im right

😔

[modest condor]

ill have you know that one of only 5 timed 30 thrones was done with a dps warrior

[brittle crow]

yeah but even if we're good i downplay anyways

[brittle crow]

fury?

[modest condor]

yes

[brittle crow]

rad

[modest condor]

idk if arms can live 3rd boss without help tbh

[brittle crow]

i forget which 3rd boss is again xd

is it the shaman or the goop

[modest condor]

flame shock

[brittle crow]

ah

[modest condor]

idk what keylevel that starts 1shotting

but i know that on fury you can live it on 31

[brittle crow]

sidenote is there a way to tell immediately whether sprucecrown is going down the fast or slow superbloom route

[modest condor]

who is that

[brittle crow]

superbloom man

[sudden tusk]

just put ojn the vers set

just have 7k vers without tepid 4head

[brittle crow]

one route takes longer than the others so u can do a fast superbloom, swap into a slow superbloom and get an extra few leafs

from the 2nd kill

[sudden tusk]

when @mossy fox hits the leggy drop

[modest condor]

real

[hardy cargo]

I think this is reliant on aa crits, regardsless its only a slam

[modest condor]

auto attack crits dont generate extra rage

[hardy cargo]

oh only for arms

i have no idea wtf the difference is

[brittle crow]

as i was saying idk if u can have enough haste outside of lust for the 3rd BB to crit so even if u have to slam to fund the 3rd ramp then its not a big deal

ur just using the last hit of ur avatar on a slam instead of a ramp in exchange for a fat bb, worth

[hardy cargo]

whats ur haste

ig thats it

[brittle crow]

40% before enrage

[hardy cargo]

oh yeah

thats a lot of fucking haste

[modest condor]

haste shouldnt affect it

[hardy cargo]

im rocking 3900 (28% before enrage)

[brittle crow]

haste will let u get in more attacks in ur 4 sec avatar tho right?

or nah

[modest condor]

yeah but can you even get enough haste to get the 3rd bb in avatar without lust?

the video definitely doesnt

[brittle crow]

you'd need a whole extra gcd worth of haste so i dont think so

[hardy cargo]

I am able to replicate that inconsistently it has to be some sort of proc of stat

[sudden tusk]

i generally get 2 BBs within the avatar window from odyn

[brittle crow]

my only procs are sophic and ring xd

[sudden tusk]

dont think a third is worth pushing for

[modest condor]

yeah you dont really need a certain amount of haste for the 2nd one tho, that one is trivial

[brittle crow]

my autoattacks simply generate more rage, try that

[hardy cargo]

oh no I am just discussing being able, without reck, to ramp and bb back to back

[modest condor]

you get a frothing proc on your first rampage

[brittle crow]

ah that'd help

either way the 3rd bb isnt getting the avatar buff so just slam, better than sending the bt

[hardy cargo]

yes rng thats why it only worked 1/4 times I tried just now

[brittle crow]

which is my original point u shouldnt just send bt

[hardy cargo]

well the original disagreement was something else entirely

it was either down time or send an empowered bt

[modest condor]

afaik empowered bt is better than downtime

[brittle crow]

and the answer to that disagreement is: dont do that

[hardy cargo]

this is what I was sayin

[modest condor]

it's very minimal tho

i remember i checked this back during ptr but i dont remember the exact number it was ahead

think it was like 100-200 dps difference

[brittle crow]

what about filler whirlwind instead of downtime

[hardy cargo]

so basically do w/e you want bc thats variance

[modest condor]

not sure what you mean here, using a ww is always better than using nothing

[brittle crow]

but is ww better than empowered bt

[modest condor]

i dont remember

[brittle crow]

cuz i think u should press ww and save for bb instead of just pressing bt

[modest condor]

i personally prefer to send the empowered bt over the ww

because using ww causes forced downtime afterwards

[hardy cargo]

from how I read this if you press ww where it is implied here it will lead to downtime anyways in like 3 globals

[brittle crow]

simply get procs

no downtime

[modest condor]

true

[brittle crow]

is augury what makes me do a stab animation sometimes

or signet brand

cuz its stupid looking with an axe

[oblique trail]

It's the head enchant that makes that animation

[brittle crow]

stupid!

[brittle crow]

use rally as filler then

or hamstring

big brain

[modest condor]

hamstring costs rage tho

[brittle crow]

rally only upsides for u and urs

[hardy cargo]

ok but... do you rally in discord as well when you press it?

[edgy widget]

if you're talking about using Slam -> WW -> Rampage in order to Bloodbath instead of spending a stack on BT, then yes, that is better

worst case, it causes one dead GCD, which you can use to cycle charge or do whatever you want

[shadow abyss]

Hey boys just hopped into the discord

[edgy widget]

Really? Says you joined 3 years ago 😆

[shadow abyss]

oh wait

yea your right

hahahah

wheres the best place to discuss SoD

vanilla?

[edgy widget]

a classic discord

[shadow abyss]

o7

[edgy widget]

try #268491842637660160

[timber remnant]

Is there no sod discussion in fight club?

[sudden tusk]

fight club is the classic discord

[timber remnant]

Yeah I'm playing sod

Surely Archi knows

Did they lock it or something...

Lol there's like a filter

You have to read the instructions and promote yourself

[brittle crow]

like charge weaving? doesnt that take more than a gcd unless u have some kinda movespeed boost

[south kayak]

He's from the future

[edgy widget]

not against most targets, no

[brittle crow]

either way i'd probably waste more dps trying to do it than i gain lol

[light stump]

So if I can press BT, I should instead WW and Slam?

To get me to my next rampage+bb?

[worldly shard]

finally

[hidden kite]

Nah

[lapis eagle]

when it's next season ?

[sick viper]

hopefully never Im 6/9M still and im guild hopping like crazy rn

[rose isle]

Yeah ive noticed that too but couldn’t find what not to take again okay i will adjust my talents according to your ss thanks

[flat river]

pog

[worldly shard]

already had the tattered dreamleaf quest completed

before getting it

so i have the 50% buff active for superbloom

will speed shit up

everything else is gold, but thats only 245k

worth it for the mog lol

[flat river]

big

im happy for everyone that got the legendary

and for those who didn't i believe

[covert blaze]

[flat river]

wait critcake doesn't have the leggo?

[clever belfry]

he does

[flat river]

oh ok

[subtle lagoon]

I think it's only a small percentage that don't have it atm

[flat river]

i owe someone 45k

because i gambled

:P

xD

[clever belfry]

time to swipe

[flat river]

i told him i'll pay him on the 29th

cause ill get paid then

and am planning to buy a token anyways

[covert blaze]

[lavish grove]

It's not small

[subtle lagoon]

Well relatively speaking I would assume it's smaller than those who do.

[lavish grove]

Doubt

[worldly shard]

lol

leggo only +30dps

decent mog atleast

worth 250k

ahh shit i put both into MH

nvm

+13k

[subtle lagoon]

30dps, lol.

[covert blaze]

surely

[worldly shard]

ok now this is better

[pure breach]

I’m included on that small percentage

[subtle lagoon]

As am i

[pure breach]

https://tenor.com/view/hug-bros-bro-code-dude-bro-hug-gif-15039924

[flat river]

what is your ilvl?

[worldly shard]

486

i have all bis trinkets

m+ ones are all 489

also 489 gorehowl

[clever belfry]

496 augury or L

[fleet sorrel]

[clever belfry]

[wild mural]

imagine having augury

[eternal sundial]

imagine having wft

[clever belfry]

don't have to m7

[supple tangle]

Hey guys I did a 20 everbloom last night with a ret using a 483 augury just like myself. He did 10m more damage with it than me. I did a few more runs to try and replicate his output without but I couldnt. What gives? Does the trinket scale better with ret or am I missing something?

Replicate his output with it*

[subtle lagoon]

Scales with versatility

[fleet sorrel]

Ret (good class)

Warrior (bad class)

[clever belfry]

ret is a class
new lore just dropped

aug is a class
ret aint m8

[flat river]

Ah im 479 thats why im dealing less dmg

[flat river]

Skill issue

Maybe he has more crit

I don't have any BiS trinkets

I have hero trink from gnarlroot

Champ trink from smolderon (not signet the other one)

And Crab

Prayge i get in next vault

[eternal sundial]

ours left us yesterday

rip

[clever belfry]

farmed

reroll enh for guaranteed raid spot

wf is fair and balanced m8

[eternal sundial]

i get guaranteed spot by being a person with hands

[clever belfry]

Cut em off

still get spot

[wild mural]

[warm crag]

@clever belfry where is your king pfp

[eternal sundial]

as enha ye

[eternal sundial]

you cursed me

[barren dagger]

do you guys have trouble keeping up with other classes on packs? even if I have OF fury, i still get gapped. only when i have avatar/roar i can keep up on big pulls

inb4 skill issue

[eternal sundial]

you just cannot keep up with an sp or moonkin

[barren dagger]

leggo ret just dumpsters me

makes me sad

[eternal sundial]

it is what it is

[barren dagger]

why would we have 1.5m CDs when ret has 1m CDs

maybe i dont get the class design

but seems like a big oversight

[wild mural]

real

[flat river]

Btw

I got leggo on my retribution

Still no leggo on warrior

[clever belfry]

Clowns using it is boring af

[clever belfry]

maybe just play better spec

[eternal sundial]

why does moonkin has 3 mins

when we have 1.5s

complete bozo question

why isnt everything the fucking same

[flat river]

Blizz wants me to play paladin

[sterile remnant]

I dont even get the question 😃

[flat river]

I do lowkey burst for 1 million on 5 targets

[clever belfry]

More and more classes were moved to 2min cds
enjoy everyone 2min in wawi m8

[flat river]

All ret dps cd's are 1 min

Except wake of ashes and executioner sentance

30 seconds

So i burst every min

[lavish grove]

[eternal sundial]

i care about ret cds

[lavish grove]

Remember when we had CD every pull

[barren dagger]

next season

i just need our spec to not suck massive shlong. don't think it's an unreasonable request

[eternal sundial]

it doesnt suck right now

[clever belfry]

its pretty fucking piss in keys

lets be real

In raid its WELL FINE

[eternal sundial]

not every spec is allowed to time wf keys

🤷‍♂️

[lavish grove]

Don't need to

[barren dagger]

imagine basing how good a spec is on the fact it can time 31s

some of you are so out of touch lmao

[lavish grove]

Just wanna season when you q into key and get accepted

Tbf very unlikely with current affix pool

[flat river]

After getting leggo weapon me queuing to keys

In note i be like

"i have leggo axe"

Insta inv

[inner zinc]

So unfair. I dont get insta invite when i mention im in the ember gang

[upbeat sentinel]

I queue for 18s and get accepted just fine

[flat river]

I think he's talking about 20 and above

[wild mural]

the syi s1 incident

[lavish grove]

That's low tho

[fleet sorrel]

If you voted for s3 you can’t complain about anything ever for the rest of your life

[lavish grove]

Based

[flat river]

Real

[clever belfry]

wdym its the most powerful bonus by %!!!

[flat river]

If u care about dmg

Go play ret or BM hunter

xD

[barren dagger]

you only get 250 rep for the first 2 seeds per day right?

[clever belfry]

u get 1250 per week for seeds

then u just get 5-10 per seed

[barren dagger]

ah ok clear

[wild mural]

buff fury

[warm crag]

nerf fury

[clever belfry]

furry

[wild mural]

furry

[shy knot]

Give s2

[flat river]

M+ or raid?

And did the paladin have leggo or not

All depends

[sullen tendon]

anyone have a rare tracker for emerald dream so i dont have to just rely on logging in and checking for fyraath quest

[worldly shard]

Im happy i finally got the orange 2hander today

Now only need to collect the leafs

But with the +50% buff its like 5 superblooms

I wonder if i can reach 2mil dps aoe peak at 487

[wild mural]

raid, broodkeeper mythic

[upbeat sentinel]

So shit that don’t give better gear anyway? 🛌

[eternal sundial]

me when i post i1 wipe

[wild mural]

where are you phil

[worldly shard]

Im actually hyped for s4

U guys buying collectors edition for wow?

[clever path]

Something im not hyped for is having to farm for the lego and only getting 1 chance out of 3 weeks

if they do the fated cycle system

[eternal sundial]

im playing arms on a farm boss where u can pad

[wild mural]

wowzer

[flat river]

???

why are you doing mythic first season raid

xd

training for next season?

xD

[wild mural]

mog

[dense elbow]

Complete all mythic raids for raid teleports

[lavish grove]

How many ppl do you have

Need diurna too for belt mog

[naive cobalt]

i finally got it O_O

[worldly shard]

I got it today too

Wont play WoW for a month now, so ill fjnish the quests once im back home

Hit 300 mounts today aswell

[wanton mirage]

Confession :
I have two 489 items in my embellish slots and one ST 489 trinket .
I wore them while I'm LFG for mythic groups to trick that I have highest ilvl of all.

[naive cobalt]

it shows ur bag item level lol

not what ur wearing

[dreamy notch]

🤦‍♂️

[naive cobalt]

war brain

[wanton mirage]

TIL

[charred estuary]

Do we think leggo will still be bis in season 4?

[modest condor]

yes

[brittle crow]

we'll likely get to upgrade it for s4

so yes

[charred estuary]

🫡

[modest condor]

even if it wasnt upgradable http://puu.sh/K1EFI/2fd4e36ac4.png

(idk the exact ilvl next season so i just picked a random number)

[unreal onyx]

noway fyralath stays 496

[warm crag]

noway early access 530 weapons

[sour frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-glasses-off-stare-ltg-stare-ltg-glasses-off-gif-15553471357126937625

[wanton mirage]

should I go to Norway?

[summer quail]

if you do, don't go to oslo

[mossy fox]

can confirm it's a scary place

[sage smelt]

Gz, so close to 489 overall myself

[brittle crow]

i don't understand why crafted rings are better than just the regular bis rings

some 1 explain

[eternal sundial]

the BIS setup only "works" in the context of having everything it has

so if you are lacking some options other combos can be better

and crafted ring is obscenely good

[brittle crow]

better than igira ring tho?

[wild mural]

all cleared

[summer quail]

depends on the character, they're within margin for me and i'd rather have the extra vers if within margin

[wanton mirage]

I need 489 Soul Spun Helmet and 489 Might

[brittle crow]

id rather save the gold if within margin maybe

lego is already about to bankrupt me it seems

[summer quail]

if you don't have the leggo yet then save the gold for sure

[brittle crow]

did lego prices jump back up with the drop rate increase?

i heard ppl saying like 500k

[wanton mirage]

i would say so.

Demand higher > price higher

[modest condor]

yeah probably

[summer quail]

it probably did, not checked the prices. was like 300k when i got it

[modest condor]

when i did mine it was 170k all together but people were saying 250-300k last week

not last week, earlier this week

[wanton mirage]

yeah 200k for me 2 weeks before the announcement

[brittle crow]

im not paying more than 200k for lego ill go without it if i have to

i only have 900k cant afford to lose half of it

[modest condor]

if you wait a couple of weeks prices will have gone down again probably

[wanton mirage]

what is your plan to spend for your 900k ?

[modest condor]

these next 2-3 weeks are gonna be when almost everybody gets their lego

[brittle crow]

gambling

[wanton mirage]

worth

[eternal sundial]

yes

[brittle crow]

i mean i started out with 30k at the end of shadowlands

gambled up to 900

obligated to keep going

[eternal sundial]

tmy frogs know the deal

[wanton mirage]

3000% ROI

[brittle crow]

99% of gamblers quit before they hit it big

that ain't ME

[wanton mirage]

try with real money, you might be bigger than Elon in awhile

[brittle crow]

no my luck is only good if the rewards are inconsequential

actual stakes id go bankrupt instantaneously

[eternal sundial]

theres some ppl on eu whove offered to pay for the lego of others which is kinda cool

[brittle crow]

😭 i need a sugar mommy

[summer quail]

you've gambled up once, just pay for the leggo then gamble up again

[runic violet]

A returning player... which part should i craft first?

[lavish grove]

I meant how many do you need to clear. Not 20 ppl I guess

[eternal sundial]

you need 20

its unironically not turbo piss free for last 2

need egg doers and inversion+i1 breath still exists

[lavish grove]

[silk wharf]

We have access to so many sparks now its probably good to make a weapon.

Other than that its a crap shoot. youll want to upgrade your lower slots to have the most power now while also keeping an eye on the potentially bis crafteds listed in the pinned guide. but theres no real absolute answer. its more of a fluid decision tree based on your own loot drops as time goes on.

[dire vigil]

Craft your embellishments first. Shadowflame armor patch on cloak + allied wrist guards of companionship are good options for all content

[eternal sundial]

476 crafted rings also insane value

[dire vigil]

3rd, craft ring of titanic insight for an early socket, no embellishment just straight up.

[silk wharf]

To me, its really quite moot. We have like 10 sparks now. the only real limit is how many crests yo ucan get a hold of.

[dire vigil]

Yeah exactly. You’ll get the most value from spending the crests on embellishments and a socketed ring

[silk wharf]

The most value is absolutely a weapon or two. Not even close

[dire vigil]

Just loot leggo

[silk wharf]

Sure

[dire vigil]

Totally kidding lmao

[silk wharf]

hehe

[dire vigil]

Yeah 486 weapon is a strong shorter term upgrade at this point. For fury you wield 2 anyway so it won’t feel bad if you get a 489 or leggo drop soon

Embellishments first, weapon + ring of titanic insight thereafter

All in: 5 sparks and 300 aspect crests to upgrade all to 486 ilvl

[upbeat sentinel]

Why not both rings

[dire vigil]

@mossy fox I really liked the new YouTube video about the winding road to loot your axe. A tale of strength, resilience, and determination. The epitome of what all warriors should be. 🙏🏼

[upbeat sentinel]

Now looting the axe will be much faster tho

Fuck that winding road

[dire vigil]

This axe is just a glorified purple anyway

[wanton mirage]

2nd Ring is best after 2 Embellishments + 1 Weap + 1 Insight ring. Just cause they came in with free socket

better than no socket 489 ring

[flat river]

how did u do that

[crimson hazel]

just getting back in mythic + what level keys for aspects 17 or 18?

[flat river]

wait so i should craft the hourglass ring?

i have a 470 ring rn no socket

i was waiting till i get a better ring

[runic violet]

I happen to have cloak 480 and socketed wrist 476 (my current ilvl is 460)

i gotta craft something else lol

[wanton mirage]

did what? the screenshot? or lucky ring and belt?

[wanton mirage]

yes you should

[runic violet]

Hmmm ring worth craft?

[wanton mirage]

after like other 4 items

[hardy cargo]

compared to this itd be a pretty big uppie

[flat river]

him comparing multiple things

[flat river]

ok time to run some m+

almost at 2.5k

"fyrakk 2 kills, gets leggo drop"

it was with this streamer called Wootoodoo idk if u know him

he gave me luck

xd

[wanton mirage]

go for it! chief

[wanton mirage]

you can do that in raidbot top gear

[flat river]

ohhh he has them in his bag

gotcha

[barren dagger]

your guild got gamers

[flat river]

yeah

xd

[wanton mirage]

I bet those 30ers still don't have leggo like you

[iron holly]

do I use fyralath on pull/on cd?

[naive cobalt]

Any time outside of cd’s

You can rampage before cause it scales with haste

[iron holly]

so on pull would look like charge>rampage>fyralath>normal prio

[naive cobalt]

Yeah that’s basically what I do

[iron holly]

or rather reck>charge>rampage>fyralath>normal prio

[naive cobalt]

Yeah that

[iron holly]

but not with odyn's fury or avatar?

[naive cobalt]

No

It doesn’t get damage amp from that

Only vers and haste

[iron holly]

ok so that would just waste buff time

gotcha ty

[naive cobalt]

Yes

Np!

[wanton mirage]

it's a waste of Reck time

[iron holly]

so don't even reck to get instant rampage from charge?

[naive cobalt]

i mean

[wanton mirage]

Would just do normal CD rotation first then do Fyralath after Avatar ends

[iron holly]

the real avatar buff, not the weaker one from odyn's?

[naive cobalt]

yeah the good thing is the class cd's wont line up with leggo after first pull

[wanton mirage]

yes

[naive cobalt]

i would say to do it after charge then start rotation

if not doing it after initial opener is fine too i think they come out to about the same

[wanton mirage]

as long as you don't lose usage count per encounter, if fine you do before or after. Just don't waste your reck time on Leggo cast

[iron holly]

ok tyvm very helpful 🙂

[naive cobalt]

yeah my bad dont reck before

i dont think rampaging before using the leggo is worth even focusing on at all

it is nice if it lines up but dont worry about it

[atomic fractal]

https://www.tiktok.com/@jeventestv/video/7339238617996463392?_r=1&_t=8kBBVeavjJR

is this fake?! i tried it, doesnt work still

[oblique trail]

he reflected the small priestess, not the boss

It does not work on the boss

[atomic fractal]

oh, its so hard to see tho, lol

[unreal onyx]

we go agane

[fallen ginkgo]

20 BRH is this normal for pala with legy and war non legy?

i feel like i fcked up

[eternal sundial]

There's only so much bat pad in a 20

[fallen ginkgo]

so it is what it is huh

[celest sierra]

hey guys quick question- for fury pve what should our stats look like

rn i got 27.51% crit, 29.65% haste 20.62/10.31% verse, 52.10% mastery

[eternal sundial]

Raidbots.com/topgear

[high basin]

GL

[outer umbra]

Ret paladins do disgustingly good damage in keys

Whenever I think I’ve had a good pull as arms of fury or did great overall damage a Paladin is always higher lol

[oblique trail]

Fury is kinda down bad for the big BRH pulls compared to Arms

Although depending on the pulls since it's Bolstering, you could've most likely done more than 310k even without lego

[eternal sundial]

Arm better

[oblique trail]

Been awhile since I've done Fury keys

[oblique trail]

For BRH 😎

Peak in a quickie weekly so far as Arms was 450k~ in BRH

no Aug

[clever belfry]

me when last boss

[oblique trail]

yeah well

def stance innit

ip stack innit

[clever belfry]

or just

never die

[eternal sundial]

Or just abuse your aug

[modest condor]

all damage on last boss is affected by avoidance anyway

[oblique trail]

huh

even stingers?

[clever belfry]

i do not think the dot is no

neither sbv dot nor stinger dot

[modest condor]

oh right the add

[clever belfry]

• p1 dmg

isnt avoidance either

its only sbv impact

[modest condor]

the shadow bolt in p1 is avoidance

[clever belfry]

i cba going back in my logs but i tested zephyr and that didnt work

and zephyr == avoid in all other scenarios

[modest condor]

shadowbolt has the same mitigation % as earthshaking stomp from boss 3 in one of my logs

im pretty sure shadowbolt was the mechanic where they found out that aoe damage reduction talent from shamans did the opposite of what it's supposed to do

[clever belfry]

xd ye it is tagged as aoe

but zephyr didnt work when i tried

thats

really od

d

[fallen ginkgo]

too lazy to do something, is this enough to potentially get a socket? or do i need 2 slots from m+

[oblique trail]

You just need 3 vault options

[fallen ginkgo]

aight, thank you banezi

[clever belfry]

heroischer schlachtzug

[fallen ginkgo]

never gonna play the game on german, feels weird

[modest condor]

50000 yard radius sheeeesh

[clever path]

do you happen to also have the graph that shows the damage over the time of the key?

[clever path]

It doesn't matter what grouping the slots are in, you could have one slot from each row and it would still work

[fallen ginkgo]

nope sry, why you asking :))

[flat river]

rate the drip

[clever path]

You can kinda gauge and see what the damage profile over the dungeon, like where it peaked and how high you kept around that

[fallen ginkgo]

oh okay, didint know that, good to know

[mortal rock]

what do we know about fury warrior in season 4 will they bad decent strong or op ?

[mortal rock]

love your char

[flat river]

<3

[clever path]

a little too vibrant in my opinion in regards to the weapon, a little more flare in the armor choice. perhaps something from dragonsoul or firelands?

the armor does look nice though

[mortal rock]

99 Parser ?

[brittle crow]

draenei, i am obligated to discriminate against

[clever path]

just looking at the tier set, we will probably be a little better for mythic+ than this season, but considering all the trinket choices we'll have, I'd say we can make up for any shortcomings we'll have

[flat river]

60 parser

[flat river]

[flat river]

this armor is random shit i put together

[clever path]

even better

[flat river]

i don't play paladin so i have no tmog for them

[eternal sundial]

paladin looting lego

[mortal rock]

will we go back to ravager ability in s4 ?

[clever path]

yes

[flat river]

me after looting leggo

[clever path]

we'll have S2 tier set

[eternal sundial]

i definitely still need it and havent had it for months

[clever path]

have many lessers do you have now?

[eternal sundial]

i got it 3 months ago

[flat river]

did the season even start 3 months ago

[eternal sundial]

ye

[flat river]

oh

it's been that long?

sheesh

[eternal sundial]

thats why the game is so dead yea

[flat river]

feels like 1 month and a half for me

xD

[clever path]

isn't it like week 16 rn?

week 14 being able to get the lego, and RWF took 1.5 weeks, right?

[eternal sundial]

i looted lego on 28.12.23

thats basically 3 months ago

[mortal rock]

my guild stopped raiding in s3 becuse to low signed up idk if i shall find a new guild the other guild i been tryed to go into wanted like 75 parse + can i make 75 + parse as fury warrior or is it to hard for normal and hc raid

[clever path]

mythic?

[eternal sundial]

75% on hc is managable if you try

[brittle crow]

well parses are comparing u to others of ur class so

just be better

[mortal rock]

the problem i had since shadowlands season 1 is i feel i play better with rotation addon but i heared they are bad to play

[brittle crow]

the prob with rotation addons is that its easy to overrely on them

[eternal sundial]

the addon will get you to 75%

[brittle crow]

they dont teach u what to do if something goes wrong, which it will

[eternal sundial]

but its like training wheels

you want to take them off eventually

[mortal rock]

true

[clever path]

would you guys say that 82 overall parse on mythic is decent? i have up to smolderon killed

[eternal sundial]

yes

[brittle crow]

ur better than 82% of gamers

thats obvi good

[mortal rock]

is it any good fury warrior in this disc channel that normaly make youtube guide for both raid and m+ ?

[eternal sundial]

video guides are outdated fast - read wowhead instead

[clever path]

really annoying that I could have like >90% parse on smoldy if i just had the lego during the kill. I had an 85% parse.

[mortal rock]

i have a question about this

so if i am lower then 470 item level should i focus on haste mastery if i am over 470 item level mastery versa ?

[brittle crow]

you're putting too much thought into it

ilvl > rest of stats

[eternal sundial]

equip ilvl and sim

[brittle crow]

if u have 2 pieces with same ilvl, sim

simple as

[eternal sundial]

oh yea getting 75% in HC will also be infinitely easier at 480+ ilvl

[brittle crow]

phil pls help fund my lego

im poor

[eternal sundial]

dm tmy

[mortal rock]

i got a friend of mien that wanted me in the guild for hc but they want 450 item level i think for hc runs

[eternal sundial]

450 is doable though right?

[clever path]

The only time ilvl doesn't matter as much is with rings and necklaces

[brittle crow]

dm WHO

[eternal sundial]

the eu guy who offered to pay ppls lego in his discord

no gurantee he does it tho

[clever path]

isn't that like LFR/N raid gear?

[brittle crow]

eu 😭

[eternal sundial]

ye

[eternal sundial]

im also eu

[clever path]

i'd say that's definitely doable

pretty sure all veteran gear is like 459, right?

[mortal rock]

are critcake really from norway ?

[brittle crow]

norway isnt a real country

[oblique trail]

Goes to max 463

[mortal rock]

better weapon = more dmg = better logs ?

[oblique trail]

That's usually how it goes

[clever path]

ah, been awhile since then, but either way, doing LFR should get you plenty high enough

[mortal rock]

damn

my weapon are 441 and 437

[brittle crow]

u can get better weapons from like, overworld content if u really wanted to

[eternal sundial]

legendary is 496 so you might wanna up the ones you have to compete easier

[oblique trail]

Although actually being good at the spec usually does more than just having a bit better gear

[mortal rock]

better then 463 with open world content ?

[brittle crow]

better than 437 thats for sure

[mortal rock]

i am not even half way in season thingy in s3 place

[clever path]

I'd say in terms of overall importance, getting proper rotation and decent ilvl, (>470) comes first, then fine tuning each part of your rotation, and slowly getting better and better gear to fill in your weakest piece

[wanton mirage]

A player in raid is as only as good as the worst player in his raid.