#fury

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acoustic furnace
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No fuckin way. My warmup is really worth that much to some folks?... Crazy how some of us are playing a totally different game.

tardy lark
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Pugging is actually the worst experience in this game

vapid mulch
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Yeah, it truly is

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Especially as a warrior

smoky prawn
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actually its more like 1,.5m

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now that i think of it

young swan
tardy lark
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Any class

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Pugs a horrid

vapid mulch
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That sweet spot when you’re grinding weekly vaults and getting paid for it first few weeks is just 👨‍❤️‍💋‍👨

dire vigil
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Idk, it’s part of the game for me. Just natural ebbs and flows

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But I’m not a 15 year vet

acoustic furnace
tardy lark
dire vigil
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I button clicked a Hunter when I little and actually started playing a year and a half ago with a 6 month break

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Well true, but I don’t have a network that includes the top 0.1%… yet

acoustic furnace
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I wonder what the 3600io gigachads think of players like me. I must be an absolute shitter compared to them.

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And I consider the average player to be a shit can. So I wonder what they think of what I consider a shitter.

tardy lark
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I don’t think they spend much time doing that xD

young swan
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3.6k io kinda braindead this season

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play the game 12 hours a day and you'll get there

acoustic furnace
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Yeah naw

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I get 3k then stop pushing. I find it to be the sweet spot for insta invites to pug groups

vapid mulch
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I’m not 3600, but that’s their pov

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Most of them are just grinding in their own little circles

dire badge
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The guy in your key right now isn’t even thinking about you

vapid mulch
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Lmao

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Truuuuu

smoky prawn
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i mean why would i think about other players dunno

dire badge
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as far as I can tell right now ur a jumble of pixels you aren’t even real

smoky prawn
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they do whatever the fuck they want

dire badge
smoky prawn
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some just farm mounts some just are there for raids

acoustic furnace
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I don't mean sitting there pondering me specifically I mean like their opinion about the player base as a whole

smoky prawn
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same thing

eternal sundial
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@tardy larkstill waiting on fyrakk lockout payment (can i get a IOU for u to make t3 for me once i get the mats?)

vapid mulch
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They will see a 3400 player in their key miss a kick and cast him out like he’s the absolute worst little dribble of dna leaked from the most garbage vanilla wow dad

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So if you’re 3k you’re basically Follower dungeon

smoky prawn
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i hope thats cap lol

dire badge
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more than likely you’re on a tyler1 style list and all the 3600 players are gonna hunt you down

eternal sundial
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idiots exist at every IO level

vapid mulch
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Well, the EU ones 😂

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The NA guys seem more chill from what I’ve seen online

smoky prawn
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yea i keep a int list, i will find your key and i will troll

vapid mulch
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Maybe I’m wrong tho

eternal sundial
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eu is just toxic as general

acoustic furnace
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Welp the good news is I only do M+ for vault and apparently imma start selling runs because holy shit that's just easy money

barren dagger
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what are people buying? +20s?

acoustic furnace
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So the lifers hating me is okay

smoky prawn
barren dagger
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how much

acoustic furnace
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Apparently a full vault of 20s can net you over a million gold

smoky prawn
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anything up from like 11

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well no

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not like that

rotund ginkgo
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when ur 3man of 3.6-3.7k rio that timed a rise 29 gets declined to a 29 fall cuz ur not a full meta comp

dapper goblet
dapper goblet
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evil voodoo upon my self

acoustic furnace
barren dagger
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u can easily time 20s with 2 /3 good dps as well without being a god gamer

smoky prawn
sullen dove
acoustic furnace
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Timing a 20 is easy. As long folks don't die at least.

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But w pugs you never know. Had a healer eat the scythe throw on a 21 BRH and insta quit.

hearty surge
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hehe

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we have a few stories

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some of them even ended up on twitter

dire badge
hearty surge
smoky prawn
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lol

hearty surge
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I will loot it on my ret tomorrow

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100%

smoky prawn
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biggest cope

dapper goblet
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the blp is 100% placebo physical object

smoky prawn
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y

dapper goblet
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doesnt actually do anything

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just there to make you think you're gaining blp

smoky prawn
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no way that shtis real

clever path
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just loot the lego

silver mantle
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I'm actually also starting to believe this placebo theory

barren dagger
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but since they didnt

silver mantle
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11 weeks into the patch and still no legendary

barren dagger
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its 100% placebo

silver mantle
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this is fucking hilarious

smoky prawn
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it is

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but good thing even with legy were still as

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ass

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hehe

rotund ginkgo
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abt to start a fall 29 in case any1 is interested in watching for whatever reason

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with nivs and muffin

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then maybe dht 29 or 30

slim coral
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are you free to come?

dapper goblet
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i'm not mentally unwell doing high keys

young swan
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ask vil

dapper goblet
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so no

slim coral
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true!

smoky prawn
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nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing +3 points on a meaningless webside

slim coral
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what are you yapping about

smoky prawn
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okay

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+3 points when someone hovers above my character

rotund ginkgo
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our tank

smoky prawn
rotund ginkgo
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fell asleep

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on keyboard

hardy cargo
rotund ginkgo
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before key start

smoky prawn
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so im still right

rotund ginkgo
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mid convo

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on discord

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im blown away

smoky prawn
slim coral
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it's in game now

rotund ginkgo
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and evo left cuz its his key

dapper goblet
rotund ginkgo
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cant make this up

hardy cargo
dapper goblet
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voodoo

hardy cargo
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voodoo

smoky prawn
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iykyk

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but i dont know either but it cant be good

hardy cargo
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im just going to cope and tell myself its good

smoky prawn
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because it was said when a ✨ Greater Ember ✨ dropped

dapper goblet
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you dont want to be cursed by the wonka voodoo mamajuju

smoky prawn
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ice spice be cursing on my ass

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monka fucking S

barren dagger
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monka giga ice spice

warm crag
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i fear voodoo

clever path
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its that simple

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(im not getting it either

smoky prawn
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same, i dont even want it anymore tho (i do and i would kill for it)

hardy shuttle
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does anyone have a weak aura that just tracks the avatar buff? I have one on my pc but working remotely and trying to get the laptop set up and have no idea the name of it. i think i took just the avatar buff out of the buff bar that critcake uses

stable vault
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Hello.. may i ask.. we started M Smodleron and when i checked lorrgs.io and logs in general.. everyone poping they CDs from beggining.. is it better than hold it for intermission? or its just farm thing.. so for prog hold it for inter?

warm crag
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pop it on pull and place your orbs in a certain way so you can grab them late with your cds in the intermission

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just watch the critcake smolderon video he probably explains it

stable vault
vocal gazelle
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another week of getting fucked by blizz

sullen dove
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🤝

indigo quarry
smoky prawn
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ah nvm someone said it i didnt read

compact knot
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god man smolderon is such a blast on every difficulty

eternal sundial
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i thought it got very boring til execute

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just bl pot and 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 or some shit

compact knot
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idk man i enjoy it hella

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did a normal skip and did 318k on that shit without wft/lego

eternal sundial
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Normal dies in 1 burn no?

compact knot
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usually yeah

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still fun

rotund ginkgo
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finally starting dht29

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w team

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🥲

eternal sundial
rocky hemlock
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i have a question. i have been in here b4 asking about why my bloodbath damage is so much lower than other people... and im here for the same thing again. what am i doing wrong? not enough crit ? not saving bloodthirst cooldown for when it turns to bloodbath?

eternal sundial
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Press every single one and of on cd

inland flame
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You should send BT on cooldown almost always

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BB or not

rocky hemlock
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i do, but my bloodbath is almost always 20-30% other warriors?

inland flame
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As a percent or raw numbers?

eternal sundial
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M+ or raid

modest condor
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cant help you without a log

rocky hemlock
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raid useally and like if i do 10m with bloodbath they will do 13-15m

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imma find a log

inland flame
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If you're looking at raw numbers it could be a lot of things. Might be doing things well but you're comparing yourself to people with better gear.

rocky hemlock
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im 485 ilvl not many above useally

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thats why im confused

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whatsa good raid fight to give a log on ?

modest condor
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volcoros

rocky hemlock
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gotcha, how do i share it just copy the url ? or is there a share button?

modest condor
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just copy the url

rocky hemlock
modest condor
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i mean

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you could make your cooldown window a bit tighter, but i dont see any major issues there

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and there's no other warrior with 13-15m bloodbath damage to compare with

rocky hemlock
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yeah hard to find a figth with a comparison. i can send a nymue

sullen dove
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its also hard to compare specifically amount of damage done by an ability not just cuz ilvl differences but fight time too

rocky hemlock
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true

sullen dove
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if the fight lasts longer naturally an equal skill warrior just does more dmg with their abilities

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dps usually the more all encompassing number to look at aside from small windows of killtimes where it also can vary pretty strongly

amber arch
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fkn ret palas
dude died like 8 times in the key and still outdpsed me
got eaten by rezan, didnt bubble of BoP himself
tank got eaten by rezan, pally didnt BoP him either
got aggro on a bird double pull, didnt bubble or bop just tanked the pull for 5s then died
I swear they only know how to shit divine storms

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bottom interrupts, barely CCed, zero Sacs on healer

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anyway rant over

still ibex
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Many paladin rerollers nowadays

rocky hemlock
amber arch
# still ibex Many paladin rerollers nowadays

ya ive got a prot pally too that I play ret sometimes but ive still got my freedom macro set up and know when to use my BoPs and sacs and like, bubble myself. These guys dont press their buttons

clever path
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I got a stupid question : OF applies 5 seconds of Avatar. If you cast Avatar right after it ads the 20s to the 5. So you have a 25s avatar. Then what's the point of delaying avatar cast ?

amber arch
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pug pally = automatic bottom interrupts

amber arch
covert coyote
amber arch
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this doesnt stack

clever path
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Ah because if you cast avatar it overlap this dot ok

amber arch
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after OF I usually hit roar, BB, ramp, BB, ramp Ava

sullen dove
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it might not be a lot in the grand scheme of things but little things like trying to game cooldowns to use in execute range of targets can be a good boost to dmg

clever path
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And is it better to catalyse shoulders or legs ? Legs give haste and shoulders crit

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But you also have vers on legs

amber arch
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both probably

clever path
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Wich is good ?

amber arch
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the answer youll get here is usually "sim it" especially for gear questions like that

clever path
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So i go 5 pieces

sullen dove
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where you might be doing 300kish bloodbath crits normally on that add, his were doing 500k because they had extra execute dmg multiplier

amber arch
rocky hemlock
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@sullen dove Gotcha thats good to know ! its just a mastery of the class thing. also the 2 weps is nuts... my box has never yeiled a wep so pretty brutal

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is there deminishing returns on mastery>?

sullen dove
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technically yes, past like around 60% theres a small amount of dr but like almost all of the time you should just follow what raidbots says to equip

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and while most ppl would say not to use statweights and generally its not the number one thing you should be following for upgrades, as far as i know they are accurate only to your current gear you have equipped, so if youre interested it might be a good thing to say for example, use stat weights to get a general idea of what stats you want to go for, like if verse/mastery are you top two, try and pay attention to those items when they drop and see if simming them works out

wanton mirage
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Imagine raidbot/simc is never invented, forums are gonna be wild today.

amber arch
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is anyone wearing the pants that give haste on damaging new enemies in M+? they are kind of sick looking

sullen dove
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like of note your waycrest ring has a lot of crit, and maybe its your best simming piece currently but i wouldnt be surprised if a lot of rings out there are better, cuz we're not that hungry for crit and that ring has a lot of it

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so possibly like the haste/verse ring from waycrest manor or atal dazar or the crit/verse one in raid might sim better, and you can find those things out by using droptimizer

modest condor
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dont use stat weights

sullen dove
rocky hemlock
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yeha i did the droptimizer and the highest upgrade is 11dps increase so hard to judge

sullen dove
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11 whole dps Whuh

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from what, raid? or dungeons you picked

rocky hemlock
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i did all current dungeons

sullen dove
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did you like select upgrade to 483

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since thats whats farmable

rocky hemlock
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ill do it again to b 100% sure and yeah

sullen dove
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i tried to use the like raidbots type in a name and sim and it looks like you did already get a 489 weapon so thats good

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were in m+ talents so not the most accurate st numbers but i mean that and heroic augury like youre not lookin too shabby in terms of gear, didnt realize u almost 486 so yea its possible not that many dungeon upgrades

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aside from like specific jewelry pieces or super heavy stat weighted offpieces that are a lot better than what you have

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for instance these boots are heavy verse mastery, where your current boots are heavy haste mastery, which could mean you might have slightly more haste than necessary, at least compared to your other stats

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and again this is in your titanic rage/whirlwind/shockwave build so not completely accurate to performance in raid, but general things like this is nice to look at sometimes

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even if youre not gonna go out of your way to get the pieces listed, just knowing what stats it thinks are better for you can make u some decisions about gearing in the future, for example, i would assume since it wants you to drop ~500 haste for ~400 verse and ~100 mast, you might find it better to swap all your mastery/haste gems to mastery/verse

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and top gear u can just choose to swap em out and try either the mast/verse or verse/mast gems and not unlikely they show up as better

rocky hemlock
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gotcha yeah i was thinking of switchin the gems to vers my haste seems high from what ia see in others .

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im at 32%

sullen dove
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yea maybe a tad bit higher than most, which is fine if robot says that, but often you can just find ways to slightly remove some haste and add other stats

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like perhaps even recrafting weapon to verse/mastery if you have access to someone that can do that for not a stupid price

rocky hemlock
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yah i tried the other day and guy wanted 150k... i have a guy but hes not playing right now

clever path
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You wanna be around 25% haste like 30%+ crit, rest into mastery and vers

sullen dove
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yea 150k for a recraft is like. mental insanity

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who would say yes to that

clever path
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If im not mistaken

sullen dove
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yea i think 25% haste more accurate than 30% crit, ik my crits at like idk 23 or so before crit phial

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also depends what phial you use most often

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which is pmuch always crit except for smolderon and maybe should start using it on tindral too

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regardless not looking for exact percents just sorta throw things into the blender of raidbots and itll spit out the best stuff

amber arch
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from murlock

floral bough
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oof i might have too much mastery keks 62% unbuffed

sullen dove
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im at like 61% with runes

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kinda w/e

floral bough
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but yeah sim told me to change food for Fiesty Fish sticks for more haste and crit

gilded pawn
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40/40/10/10

vivid moth
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I have 5400ish with trinket and crit phial

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On verse

slim coral
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I'm climbing boys

rocky hemlock
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sorry was in a fight i have 50% mastery unbuffed

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very low imo

sullen dove
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yea maybe a bit higher would be recommended, but robot is end all be all

sullen dove
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not rank 69

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L

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stop doing keys and wait for 1 person to beat you

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and stay there

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funny number

eternal girder
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Besides simming is there somewhat of a baseline % for haste? I've been reading around it and would like some second opinions

sullen dove
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idk anywhere around 25%ish is probably a safe enough place to be

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assuming ofc youre like around the endgame ilvl most ppl at of like 485+

eternal girder
sullen dove
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yea i dont think most ppl go lower

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typically between 25-30

rocky hemlock
sullen dove
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if slightly above 30 w/e

slim coral
sullen dove
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full single target build with titanic rage?

slim coral
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I must prove to myself I can do it

sullen dove
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gl with that

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tbh even top 10 would be big

rocky hemlock
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Oop i messed up

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lol

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well i thought anyhow

slim coral
eternal girder
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lol

sullen dove
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i dont think anyone just goes from zero to hero in 1 patch

rocky hemlock
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well i didnt take advantage of that the way i should have then lol

sullen dove
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especially on fyrakk though spear is almost always super inconvenient

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and like everyone just picks roar anyway

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whether or not you want to ww talents or st talents in spec tree not as big a deal, tho most ppl also just ww talents

eternal girder
sullen dove
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if you use spear you gotta be sure youre like, actually using it, no boss randomly teleporting away to tanks, and like you fit at least 3 empowered bb's in it, which is most of the value of spear already

rocky hemlock
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i know i saw that stat weights is not accurate but this is what it said anyway

sullen dove
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also in your opener it seems you odyns > spear > rampage > bb > so on and while that worked out ok since you took titanic rage, typically you dont want to open with of as your first global

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yea i mean about what's expected droptimizer wanted u to get more mast/verse anyway

clever path
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with sov

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boping etc

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its so nice having utility

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its insane

amber arch
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Are the haste pants viable in m+? It’s a shit ton of haste on pull and this week there are spitefuls spawning…

sullen dove
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yea i think its a lot more valuable on spiteful weeks, hard to use around if tank is pulling super slow or not like. "well" for it

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but unless youre doing like above 25's really minmaxing embells shouldnt matter much and playing whatever feels better is fine

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it might be slightly more troll on tyran weeks in dungeons with hard bosses but otherwise it dont matter

amber arch
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Well I’m running shadoeflame wrists and cape now. Was about to craft the version wrists because I see everyone running them then I remembered pants. They feel so good when you’re bursting on pull

slim coral
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ok now they actually nerfed frakk

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lmao

amber arch
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Mini PI

slim coral
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they litearlly just bent that fucker over

sullen dove
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yea vers wrists pretty objectively best choice in m+, nice st and also benefits aoe

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its rly the other sf you'd be replacing for haste pants most likely

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or even lariat might be decent with full gemslots

young swan
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half the amount of scary seeds

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actually gg

slim coral
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ez pz

sullen dove
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yea its just 4 seeds the whole time

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this will be a wonderful change when i get there in 2 months

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maybe i have leggo by then

oblique trail
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Perfect time for me to start prog on him

amber arch
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Also I think the play might be slaughtering strikes this week

sullen dove
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as far as i know usually it is

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not much better other options

amber arch
sullen dove
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its like, bloodcraze/ss/aj/massacre

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only real choice

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yea

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i mean its good for bosses

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just doesnt rly help aoe that much

amber arch
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Ya

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So basically DB+SS

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I might experiment with TR too

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In like EB or high aoe keys

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SS is just so much more aoe for not that big of a loss in ST

modest condor
sullen dove
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the only actual relevance i see using it is if you dont have raidbots premium and youre unable to droptimizer every dungeon all at once, you can use stat weights to just pick dungeons that have gear with those stats, instead of doing literally every dungeon one at a time and putting all the best items in like a document or something

modest condor
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no that would still be the wrong thing to do

rocky hemlock
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whats is the mastery verse gem called.

sullen dove
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something neltharite

modest condor
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zen neltharite

rocky hemlock
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thanks !

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kk switched all gems to have mastery verse and switched big diamond to have mastery and primary instead of haste. recrafted wep to have vers mastery lol

sullen dove
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you did uh.. top gear b4 doing that to make sure it was like, all good right, cuz it mightve said to only do one or the other, not both, but whatever i mean most likely it was somewhat of an increase at least

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the basic gist is use top gear to make all the changes you think you want to make, like you can select swapping stats on a crafted item or changing gems, then run it and kinda follow along with what it says is the best option, within reason of course, like if it says swap all your gems for 50-100 dps thats not rly worth following cuz most likely just a small sim variance

compact knot
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another week without the lego

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nicee

sullen dove
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gladge welcome to the club

modest condor
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just loot it

compact knot
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l m a o

sullen dove
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1 in my raid

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i wonder what its like to be the main character of the game

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and have leggo

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fated to always be a side character

waxen wave
crude plume
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its ok

compact knot
sullen dove
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real

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o7

modest condor
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cant wait to get lego and still be 10k behind because no wft 🙃

sullen dove
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just conscript xeoswonka

rocky hemlock
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this is all the differnt relevant gems combinations

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basically haste vers mastery only left out crit

sullen dove
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yea looks like u went up by 1000 dps from last ss so thats good

dapper goblet
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you're welcome

rocky hemlock
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so when people say you you mostly spam BT/BB when u can when is the scenario that u dont?

sullen dove
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youll be 50k dps behind when you get unlucky unbridled fury procs

dapper goblet
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standard season 2 varience cope

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(500 dps)

sullen dove
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50k dps in my heart, even if it isnt real

rocky hemlock
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i thought the goal was at many bt/bb to get odyns back

sullen dove
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feels like dogshit to lose reck

sullen dove
# rocky hemlock i thought the goal was at many bt/bb to get odyns back

thats most common advice for people that feel like they sometimes have dead globals, like for example if you hit rampage the second its available every single time, youre more prone to experiencing the situation where you just hit bb after rampage, but your slam and whirlwind is still on cooldown, and you cant hit anything else until bt comes back off cooldown

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so you "lose" a global

rocky hemlock
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gotcha. and also i have been confused with odyns vs avatar. which one first if u have both?

sullen dove
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this happens most of the time when you dont have reck and any other buffs running and youre just kinda chillin, cuz you gain rage kinda slowly outside of cd windows, so like if you ramp > bb > slam > bt > ww > (ramp becomes available i.e you have like 90ish rage) >bb, slam and ww still on cooldown

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but if you hit bt one more time before that rampage, to where you're not gonna over cap by getting the extra rage, you get 1 extra hit in for the cdr, and you give 1 more global of time for slam to come back off cd to use right after the bb

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and so you dont lose a global there

sullen dove
rocky hemlock
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thats what i thought

sullen dove
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say you avatar first, wait the customary 4 seconds for odyns dot in that time you can bb twice, then you odyns and do 4 guaranteed bb's after that, u only get 10 sec of cdr on odyns

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where if u odyn'sd first youd get the full 15 from all 6

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you pretty much open like that on every boss except smolderon for intermission shenangians and most everyone holds cooldowns for tindral vines

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and i mean technically igira too but thats like only 5ish seconds of holding

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maybe larodar too..., anyway not that big a deal

rocky hemlock
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yeah i have been doing that odyns, 2BB's then avatar then 4 bb's

sullen dove
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yea thats pretty much cut n dry perfectly sculpted opener

rocky hemlock
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so maybe my main issue is just the mastery being about 10% behind normal

sullen dove
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on the fyrakk log u linked you odyn's first global which you typically want to avoid

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got lucky that u had titanic rage but even with it its not as good as reck > charge > ramp > odyns > spear > continue rotation

rocky hemlock
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oh rly?

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oh gotcha

sullen dove
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instead of how u did odyn > spear > ramp > bb

rocky hemlock
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thats so odyns is hitting while enraged?

sullen dove
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yea and spear

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spear isnt like insane damage on its own but any bit helps

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and not using a free 50-60% dmg buff on it why not

rocky hemlock
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tbh i thought odyns fury enraged by default... maybe thats a key im missing also

sullen dove
#

and also just getting the bb stack so youre prepared to bb right away in spear, instead of rampage > bb, which doesnt matter as much if u dont lust, but if you do lust you should be able to fit 4 bb's into the spear window if u do it right

#

yea nah only titanic rage talent makes of enrage you

rocky hemlock
#

OMG. thats the key.... i just did dummy again and damage is much higher than i would normally do ... i must have known that b4 and lost it ... wow. insane

#

poor odyns fury not getting the love it deserved.

sullen dove
marble bison
sullen dove
#

s4 raids gonna be so cheeks man

#

theres actually just no better talent combo/set than this season for specifically 99% of raid bosses

#

s2 def dominates m+ which i mean is most of the game for most ppl cuz theres always something to do, where u just kill the same few bosses in raids

#

but man cringe company cant even let us pick

compact knot
#

man i wish they just gave us all of them

rocky hemlock
#

@sullen dove i really appriciate the help ! incrediblly helpful !

compact knot
#

and didnt bother with balance

clever path
#

if u are still enraged at like 100 rage

#

and bt is back

#

u press bt

#

then ramp

#

ret plays like that as well

sullen dove
#

yea i mean if ur still stuck in last season mindset of "oo shiny button glows up i have to hit it" might not be as common

clever path
#

true

sullen dove
#

theres just not a huge requirement to have to do that this season anymore

#

you dont live and die by rampage giving u am and uf procs

#

its just kinda a "give you enrage and bb" button

clever path
#

dogshit design

#

ra worst thing to happen to fury

#

same with tom for arms

sullen dove
#

ra cool myan sadge

#

it was cool in SL when there was a valid reason to use both

#

bring back that kind of tuning

#

RA the better st talent and AM the better aoe talent

clever path
#

cant

#

cause of the talent tree

prisma sleet
#

no lego from heroic -_-

clever path
#

anni needs to go

sullen dove
#

yea

clever path
#

an another god awful talent

sullen dove
#

well, idk about anni specifically, but like rav just being tied to am is too strong

young swan
#

anni just doesnt have any business being a capstone

clever path
#

^

rocky hemlock
#

whats the real chances of the lego lfr normal heroic?

sullen dove
#

if anni did like 5x more damage

clever path
#

anni should be like crusading strikes

clever path
#

somewhere in the middle

young swan
#

i mean its a demon blades clone

rocky hemlock
#

i mean i know our chances but on the books chances

sullen dove
#

anni should swap places with cshb, and buff cshb to what it was in bfa

young swan
#

just put it in the same area as demon blades

#

storm of swords needs to die tho

#

dogshit talent

sullen dove
hardy cargo
sullen dove
#

the most troll thing about sos is ww doesnt generate rage in st

#

its literally just a button

#

that does damage

#

and nothing else

young swan
#

its funny too

sullen dove
#

primest example of a filler

hardy cargo
#

"does damage" keks

sullen dove
#

psure ww is more dmg than slam, but idk

young swan
#

cause ww should just do as much damage as it does with literally every ww buff

sullen dove
#

maybe not with 2x cf

young swan
#

but at baseline

#

that ability is so fucking pitiful

#

just does piss damage

clever path
#

when my filler

#

out of 2 fillers

#

doesnt generate rage!

sullen dove
#

the first time i found that out this season i was like "what am i looking at"

clever path
#

imp ww should be baseline

sullen dove
#

its literally attached to meatcleaver or something

hardy cargo
sullen dove
#

or that one yea

#

like it generates 3 rage i think

#

on 1 target

#

how is that not baseline

#

that is nothing

#

but better than 0

young swan
#

yeah idk how imp ww is a real talent

#

pretty insane

sullen dove
#

those 2 rly should just be 1 talent

#

and it should also just give more rage for targets hit, and the baseline rage just be on the ability

#

weirdchamp

young swan
#

imp should be baseline and we should just get an additional ww enhancer

#

perhaps a proc

#

that makes ww do lots of damage

sullen dove
#

mbg... hmmNod

#

bring it back xan

young swan
#

no

oblique trail
#

Die mbg die

young swan
#

wrong proc

sullen dove
#

the class spec one where it does an extra hit of dmg per cast except its not piss damage

#

seismic

#

wasnt that like a legiondary that was not complete ass

#

or was it bad then too

young swan
#

yeah

#

no it was actually good

sullen dove
#

jus do dat

young swan
#

cause ww did some damage

#

literally just give us wrecking ball

#

revert seismic

sullen dove
#

najentus vertebrae

summer quail
rocky hemlock
#

doing a lfr and someone who was under me in dps did 9 more bloodbaths than me ? maybe im still missing somehting

#

nvm ... i did way more bloodthirst ... need to focus more on bb

modest condor
#

having more bloodbath casts without any other context doesnt mean anything

#

they could have 20% more haste than you

rocky hemlock
#

true. they did 9 mor BBs but i did 20 more BT ? odd am i doing bt too much?

sullen dove
#

presumably they had more rampages than you too for that to be the case, i think its pretty uncommon for # of casts of ramp/bb to be very different

#

in which case its possible they were doing the thing of just hitting ramp the second it comes off cd, which again isnt necessarily horrible to do but leaves you more open to afking a global down the line

#

so like just cuz they have more bb's if its only a few more there prolly isnt a drastic stat/skill difference there, maybe just slight gameplay

#

like you hitting bt more often would assume you got more cdr on odyns so you mightve hit odyns once more than they did and thats way more important

sweet zodiac
#

^ I have that problem. Slam/WW on CD, no execute proc, not ready for Ramp so I just cast a BT to get above the line to cast Ramp

sullen dove
#

you did say you beat them too so unless the'yre far under you in terms of ilvl if they're similar to you you can "play better" and have less bb casts

sullen dove
#

but again doing that a couple of times isnt that big of a deal, even doing that most ppl dont lose out on a global more than like 5 times a fight max

tidal kindle
# young swan perhaps a proc

Your spells and abilities have a low chance to grant Annihilating Whirlwind for 20 sec, causing your critical strikes to deal 50% additional damage as Wind split between nearby enemies.

sullen dove
#

its just small little things of "if you can hit an extra bt without wasting resources why not"

rocky hemlock
#

wont upload log for some reason. they did 9 mor BB, i did 20 more BT, they did 16 more RPs, they did 10 more odyns? litterally how?

sullen dove
#

cant imagine the odyns thing is correct.. 16 more rampages is whatever tho

#

they were just prioritizing that i guess

rocky hemlock
#

it was tindral so maybe im just holding too much

oblique trail
sullen dove
#

o yea no i mean on tindral you almost always want to have an odyns ready for every root set

#

whether its regular odyns or you save avatar, thats just u kinda gotta look at fight timers and know ahead of time whats the best cd to use when

tidal kindle
#

So never

sullen dove
#

arms aura buff by 20%

#

fury nerfed by 10%

#

garms propaganda changes

oblique trail
sullen dove
#

never be called gfury again

sweet zodiac
#

I think to your point I don't always trust Anni so I hit slam/WW and ramp was about to light up so it hits right as the GCD for Slam/WW gets spent 🫠

oblique trail
#

Can you just sneak in another Arms aura buff for the road for my Fyrakk prog starting this coming reset though

#

Thanks

tidal kindle
#

Was when both arms and fury were equally competitive

sullen dove
#

so real for that

#

i was diehard fury main until 9.1 where you were basically hard trolling if u werent nf arms

#

rly opened my eyes tbh it was pretty fun

tidal kindle
#

It's like

#

Playing warlock and saying "nah I only play destro"

sullen dove
#

and since then just kinda been comfortable playing whatevers best

#

usually fury tho if i can help it

oblique trail
#

But depending on the content you do, it probably wont fly

summer quail
sullen dove
#

mainly volc/nymue/smolderon, basically only bosses u dont take ww talents for

sullen dove
#

he plays demo a ton too

#

but idk big fan of destro ig

#

which is real when i played lock destro seemed the coolest

#

aside from whenever another random spec is doing damage i like the feel of casting gigantic chaos bolts that chunk mobs

#

even rof spamming s3 shadowlands was like, about as maniacal as it got that shit was beyond fun

warm crag
#

obliterate all spec otps

sullen dove
#

ur allowed to be a spec otp if you class only has 1 spec of that type

#

like ret is only dps spec pally, so if thats the shit u vibe with go off

#

but like rogue/warr/lock/mage/hunter alla them, if one spec is just way worse than the other for dmg u gotta be comfy swapping

clever path
#

And if you don't want ?

sullen dove
#

the only ones that might be slightly off from that is shaman and druid cuz swapping melee to ranged or vice versa might be weirder, technically surv hunter too but like, jus do it

#

i mean most guilds it doesnt matter, but like if ur trying semi serious mythic prog and one spec is just that much worse you gotta think about putting your team ahead of yourself

dusty notch
#

I only play SMF fury

#

All other spec trash

sullen dove
#

this was a 1 week difference between me on heroic sylvanas, being hardstuck wanting to play fury for 9.1 then finally bit the bullet and swapped to nf arms

#

never played arms in my life before

celest sierra
#

Today I have entered the halls of legend fellow warriors . 3 axes dropped in my raid and one of them was mine 🙌🙌🙌

sullen dove
#

and literally like a 15% improvement in dps, just for being the right spec

#

idk how common it is for spec differences to be that big, but i think that was def one of the biggest differences ive ever experienced at least

celest sierra
#

I had 21 lessers total not sure on Greaters the weakaura I was using doesn’t track greaters (hopefully this helps yall gauge where ur at % Rng wise )

sweet zodiac
#

I did a test with SMF last night.. Nothing super long but SMF was less spiky, TG peaked/burst way higher, but they both ended around 145k ST. Obviously TG is boss but I expected SMF to be substantially lower

oblique trail
sullen dove
#

an extra 2.1% increased chance hmmNod

clever path
#

arms was insanely ahead

#

until fury eventually came back

#

after 10 aura buffs

sullen dove
#

actually yea i think i played arms like, only on huntsman cuz that shit was fun

clever path
#

both were shit in cn

sullen dove
#

but yea it was like arms/venthyr i think and then fury nf became huge

clever path
#

actual dog tier class

#

in cn

sullen dove
#

well tru i literally got benched on sludgefist on my main, and came in on 217 fire mage

celest sierra
#

Arms is fun but def requires cd coordination unlike fury where we just go brrrrr that’s my opinion tho

clever path
#

its the opposite

#

atm

#

fury has to plan a alot more

#

than arms

oblique trail
#

I mean neither spec really has a ton of planning that differs

clever path
#

arms just perma pumps

#

bladestorm wb every pack

oblique trail
#

They're both 1:30 specs with a bit of damage every 20-25

#

Unless you play BS which is different

clever path
#

arms has a lot more tho

tiny swift
#

is it better to kill fyrak on all difficulties for axe or just go for the hardest 1 straight up ?

clever path
#

wb + sd procs is a lot bigger damage wise

#

than odyns

celest sierra
#

I feel like fury is just timing . When u wanna pop ur stuff where as arms u gotta line up some things . Etc then again don’t listen to me I only played arms for like 2 weeks this season

oblique trail
clever path
#

yeah but they have to happen

celest sierra
oblique trail
#

Okay?

oblique trail
#

I still can't plan around SD procs

jovial coral
#

Noob

oblique trail
#

That's like planning around passive trinkets proccing or enchants

clever path
#

why would u plan around sd

#

if u go into a pack it will proc

oblique trail
sullen dove
jovial coral
oblique trail
#

Surely I've never had packs many times where SD didn't proc on pack pull clueless

sullen dove
#

2 gajillion hours in q as fury

#

felt that

oblique trail
red yew
#

Wtf 2 million hours queue

#

That's many many years

#

Poor guy

clever path
#

even if u get unlucky arms with wb does a lot more than fury with odyns

#

damage wise

sullen dove
#

bros been queueing since the dinosaurs were around

summer quail
#

228 years. holy moly

red yew
#

They did the math

#

Fuck man, blizz gotta stop focusing on raid asap to help this man

#

Three life cycles worth of queue time

#

And ZERO invites

warm crag
sullen dove
#

real for that

balmy shore
#

GOT A SICK DROP TODAY GUYS

sullen dove
#

ember gang

balmy shore
#

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

red yew
balmy shore
#

at least someone in our raid got it (our bdk)

clever belfry
#

+1 week farmed

#

Who will have the longest streak of no drop

#

find out next year

sullen dove
#

me

clever belfry
sullen dove
#

ima be in here farming it until 11.1 of the war within

#

surely blp might actually add up to at least 50% by then

clever path
#

surely blp works

clever belfry
clever path
#

im 99% sure greater embers dont do shit

clever belfry
#

ok on what basis

sullen dove
#

99% sure either ember doesnt do shit

dapper goblet
#

i've looted the ember more times than i've looted the lego

#

therefor they do not work

#

math checks out

sullen dove
#

correct

clever path
#

i mean they said that doing the highest difficulty is all u should do

#

why can i loot a greater from normal and heroic for example

#

lessers is a different story

#

they said on heroic and mythic

#

and greaters arent even trackable

sullen dove
#

one can only assume the embers work much like the actual rolls for the legendary, in that getting heroic ember first is adding up all the previous embers before it, cuz psure u dont get a normal ember after doing heroic

#

but that could also just be horseshit cuz how would any of us know better gladge

#

we love ambiguity gladge

clever path
#

we are approaching the end of the patch

#

and most people still dont have it

hallow sphinx
sullen dove
#

i think its still pretty comfyi n the middle of the patch

#

we got at least 3 more months

#

surely

clever path
#

2 at most

#

10.2.6 is in march and s4 should be soon after

#

so something like april

rocky hemlock
#

whats a good overall for 485 roughly in a mythic 20?

clever path
#

900k

sullen dove
#

that so wildly depends on the dungeon and how your tank pulls

clever path
#

^

storm rune
#

Plus the general feel of the community is dead, most people are raid logging, if that at this point

sullen dove
#

🗣️

#

give the people a reason to play the game

#

hand out the fuckin leggo

clever path
#

why isnt leggo guyaranteed on mythic

sullen dove
#

hof closed, it no longer matters to keep it this "oo cool" item rare

clever path
#

just give leggo to everyone eligible

#

u finished proc

#

prog*

#

its irrelevant anymore

#

let people use it in m+ or w/e

dapper goblet
#

should only get the lego if youre in hof

clever path
#

revvez got leggo

rocky hemlock
#

what are they doing with lego next patch?

clever path
red yew
clever path
#

true

red yew
dapper goblet
prisma sleet
#

bleh did lfr normal heroic no lego sadge

dapper goblet
#

just an item that ups it to the ilvl

sullen dove
#

"uhm ackshually after nerfs and having max ilvl mythic fyrakk is easier than a +31 key" 👆 🤓

red yew
#

Would not be surprised if mythic drop chance increase was equal to HC from normal

clever path
#

same tbh

wild mural
#

so real bestie

clever belfry
clever path
#

? u have blp variable and greaters just add to it same with lessers

#

heroic greaters add more than normal but why are lessers trackable

#

but greaters arent

clever belfry
#

server side scripts exist?

#

Not everything is tracked by quest ID

rotund ginkgo
#

Sad bricked 3 dhts 😦 well get em next tyr

#

Next tyr is a bit cringe for dht with enraging tho

covert blaze
rocky hemlock
balmy shore
clever belfry
#

jeelin

hallow sphinx
balmy shore
#

only today though but it's so depressing my rat ret does more damage than my main

#

😭

summer quail
balmy shore
#

brown class again on thursday

gleaming crag
#

guess I did something wrong on the sim lol

clever path
#

im pretty sure its ravencrest's wrath or something

#

not legacy

gleaming crag
#

ah no i put mh mh

#

like an idiot

sullen dove
#

na youre just better than having the leggo

rotund ginkgo
#

Based

#

Leggo is dps loss on him

#

Hi sil peepoBlush

modest condor
#

hey guys i checked subcreations 2 months ago and i saw barely anybody using the lego, is it just not that good for us?

rotund ginkgo
#

Unironically i died a few times while charging with it

modest condor
#

sounds like a skill issue

#

just dont die

rotund ginkgo
sullen dove
#

the ss from ret discord

#

"im noticing a lot of ppl arent using this weapon, dont they know its the best option?"

rotund ginkgo
#

Hmmge type beat

summer quail
#

that is true tho, i use the leggo. it does alot of damage, idk why no one else in my raid isn't using it

rotund ginkgo
#

@covert blaze forgot to ask was my stream quality ok

covert blaze
#

i couldn't even say hi

rotund ginkgo
#

I'm just that calming

#

🙏🙏🙏🙏

#

Bless up

covert blaze
#

nah no flame i was omega tired

rotund ginkgo
#

Ahhh im all good lmao

#

Bro my tank fell asleep mid voice

#

While we got accepted into a key

#

💀💀💀💀💀💀

covert blaze
#

i lost an official league tournament finals cause my adc fell asleep

rotund ginkgo
#

Me and muffin just talked to him for 5 mins til we heard snoring

rotund ginkgo
#

Haven't touched it in like 2 years

wild mural
#

league

#

lmao

tidal kindle
#

We have no way of proccing this right

#

Without aug-or-REEEEEE

#

Sflame

#

Volo trinket

clever belfry
#

the nature part we can't proc at all i think

rotund ginkgo
#

Yh no nature

clever belfry
#

isnt OF fire dammies too

rotund ginkgo
#

I don't see why we'd grab it tho

#

No

#

It was in legion

#

It's phys

clever belfry
#

yeah was gonna say it used to

#

cringe

storm rune
# gleaming crag ah no i put mh mh

Ah, it's like me trying to figure out where an extra 15k dps came from as Arms not realizing I still had both fury weapons equipped lmao

sudden tusk
chilly harbor
#

rip still no lego. There is what, 2 months left to this season?...

maiden ingot
#

The last time anybody talked about the Neck, something about Corrupting Flask proccing the Nature Damage came up? Finger's crossed it's full on bullshit.

sudden tusk
#

yeah the self damage from corruping rage does proc the fire soak version

clever belfry
#

hmm i could see that

rotund ginkgo
#

No, you take nature damage

#

You don't deal it

clever belfry
sudden tusk
#

you deal nature damage to yourself technically

rotund ginkgo
#

Thsrs cringe

maiden ingot
#

If the trigger is just spaghetti, corrupting pot absolutely can be dealing damage

clever belfry
#

you also deal that damage

sudden tusk
#

so it does proc the fire sield

rotund ginkgo
#

And pointless

chilly fractal
wild mural
#

feedback loop for HPS parses?

storm garnet
#

so just the head enchant

split comet
#

i need help

clever belfry
#

its also the reason having more vers makes u take more recoil from shadowflame patcg

rotund ginkgo
#

I still don't see the neck being good outside of giant vers stat stick

split comet
#

i got avoidance crit mastery bracers in vault - 489

#

should i take to push high keys

rotund ginkgo
#

What's high keys?

clever belfry
split comet
#

trying to get title

chilly fractal
rotund ginkgo
#

Unless ur aiming for 29+s pointless

rotund ginkgo
maiden ingot
#

@rotund ginkgo I mean, 2 very specific damage types that you mostly would find in the Raid and sparsely elsewhere at times. Fully random. It's never been a reliably insane effect, but depending on one's Gear, the Neck is absolutely fine to use.

#

It's just a bonus

storm garnet
#

like legit the answer to all 480+ ilvl questions you can answer by simming

rotund ginkgo
#

Brh neck is 600 mast 1k vers

chilly fractal
#

It sims as better than mastery neck

split comet
#

i have the vers bracer embellish - i'd have to recraft on boots or something

chilly fractal
#

Sims better than that too

rotund ginkgo
#

So unless thode stat weighs are good for u, no point

#

Those

rotund ginkgo
chilly fractal
#

If you change your gear around it can

rotund ginkgo
#

Garms asked about it

#

Yeah but why would I change my already optimized heat

#

Gear

#

What's my incentive to go through what's already bis for me

chilly fractal
#

Something to do

rotund ginkgo
#

Huh

tidal kindle
#

🤔

sudden tusk
#

do you have the lego

rotund ginkgo
#

Get a second equip set for fun

#

Who

violet condor
rotund ginkgo
#

Odyns fire dmg poggies UwU

tidal kindle
rotund ginkgo
edgy estuary
#

think I'll just keep thunderous roar even in single target fights 🤔 the spear only sims like 700 dps better for me in single target

sudden tusk
#

i got my volo neck like week 3

#

its still not bad its a crazy amount of vers

#

its just weird when you try to pair it with igira ring

rotund ginkgo
#

It is yh

#

1.4k vers is massive

#

I recently changed from the 1k mastery 200 haste tindral neck

#

To the brh neck

#

I'm at a fat 28 vers

balmy shore
rotund ginkgo
#

I wonder if cutoff is gonna be 3.7 this season

#

Or at least close to it on eu

summer quail
tidal kindle
#

Oh signet too

#

What's it like having trinkets

#

🪦 keks

rotund ginkgo
#

My signet has been heroic for like 7 weeks

summer quail
#

is there like any racial that does nature damage?

rotund ginkgo
#

😭😭

#

MAAAAYBE Tauren?

#

Stomp?

#

Idk if it does dmg or just stuns

#

I ttink it just stuns

summer quail
#

was about to say lightforged draenei but that's guaranteed to be holy or radiant

#

prob

rotund ginkgo
#

It is y

#

Radiant is also fire tbh

summer quail
#

rasz trinket is how we proc it

rotund ginkgo
#

5head

#

Glad I got a 30 for next week uwu

summer quail
tidal kindle
#

I'd rather have augury

#

Over legendary

#

Heartbeat

balmy shore
summer quail
#

oh ye, weird question. can augury proc from the flying on tswift?

#

like the landing

balmy shore
#

oh i read up oops

balmy shore
sullen dove
#

yknow what would be cool if the dragonriding talent tree choice node that gave you a shield or damage actually did enough to be somewhat of something to consider

balmy shore
#

also my ret also has augury 💀

summer quail
#

imagine playing ret

sullen dove
#

like if it did 100k damage upon landing for instance, instead of literally it does 11k

#

so u just take the 10% hp shield every time

acoustic furnace
#

IT HAPPENED

balmy shore
#

gz

sullen dove
acoustic furnace
#

I AM NO LONGER AN AXELESS LOSER

sullen dove
covert blaze
#

@sullen dove L

sullen dove
#

gratz

sullen dove
covert blaze
sullen dove
#

as do i

covert blaze
rotund ginkgo
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hi zhai peepoBlush

covert blaze
paper ivy
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When are we

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Season ends in 1 moth or so lol

restive peak
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Our backup warr got leggo, brb am officially ret for reclears

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THANKS BLIZZ

rotund ginkgo
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that's a bad take

restive peak
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At least I can enjoy that I got CE w 483 trinkies and no leggo, it's officially my claim to fame

rotund ginkgo
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we have at least like 8 weeks

chilly harbor
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this is the worst lego to get ever

paper ivy
rotund ginkgo
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were about to enter week 12 I believe

chilly harbor
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even more so they tuney class around this lego

rotund ginkgo
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So we still have 8 weeks

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At least probably

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I doubt we will see a sub 20 week season

paper ivy
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Last two weeks no one plays

mellow swan
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🤓 there’s still 8 weeks to get it guise don’t worry plenty of time to enjoy it 🤓

paper ivy
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We got solid 5-6 weeks to push keys

restive peak
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It is pointless now, I have the xmog/achieve from my ret so I legit probably won't bother making it a second time lol

chilly harbor
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what the point to get the lego at this point

stark zealot
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Sweet I got another greater ember. One week closer

rotund ginkgo
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Based

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Unless ur pushing high m+ or high parses I don't see how leggo is relevant

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Genuinely

stark zealot
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I'm rocing 483 x2 weapons on mythic tindral prog lol

rotund ginkgo
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So no reason to sweat it

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U go king

stark zealot
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lego + a 489 weapon is a 16k dps upgrade

paper ivy
restive peak
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I mean I'm 3625 IO and CE, so legit it's just a fuckin waste lmao

rotund ginkgo
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Next week it drops for u i believe

rotund ginkgo
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Surely it helped push but not pigging

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Pugging

stark zealot
rotund ginkgo
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From mid 3.5 to 3.6+ it was just finding good players to stick around with

restive peak
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I think I'm gonna be fine for title anyway, and my ret is gonna be 3700 this week too so we gucci

storm rune
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Where's the RAGE?

rotund ginkgo
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3.7 ret is big?

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Why even bother play warr then 💀💀💀

restive peak
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My ret got leggo 2nd kill

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Bruh I been a warr main for 20 yrs D: this breaks my heart

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But can't gimp the bois forever

rotund ginkgo
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I'm aiming for almost 3.7 minimum this week

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I got some big Tyra keys

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Rank 1 rise for warrs 🙃🙃

restive peak
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I think this week can be some 29/30s so I might go crush a few

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But feels rude to my team tbh

rotund ginkgo
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Imo rise 30 fort is doable

chilly harbor
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u cant pug high keys as a warrior if u dont have a group

rotund ginkgo
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U can't pug high keys if ur not meta*

rotund ginkgo
chilly harbor
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i made an aug and still dont get invited

rotund ginkgo
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And it was a rank 34 world 💀💀

stark zealot
rotund ginkgo
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Nah warrs are not fine at all

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We don't provide anything outside of niche reflects

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And not dying

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Were better at 28 29s than at 25 26s

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Because survivability plays a bigger role

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And u can't faceroll as easily

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Keys are less forgiving if ur metaslave dh reroller dies twice

chilly harbor
rotund ginkgo
covert blaze
rotund ginkgo
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The one that cruises by under the radar the most

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So ofc it'll be a dogshit experience

chilly harbor
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i thoguht aug was meta